Qi When most people think about energy work, they think of something that is done by manipulating something in the body. More insightful people might realize it has something to do with intention, but it is always in very fuzzy terms. This something is type M energy, also known as Qi. Misled by materialism, Westerners (and now westernized Eastern people) have polarized into two equally delusional camps. On the one hand, there are people who are unable to understand how something can be real without it being detectable and measurable, therefore declaring it's nothing but a fantasy. On the other hand, true believers, who will believe a priori, try to equate Qi to electromagnetism, heat, hormones, or perhaps a combination of detectable and measurable phenomena, in a desperate attempt to validate their belief in materialist terms. The truth is that Qi is meta-physical, meaning beyond physical. It is the intention that makes detectable and measurable things happen, and the function that we conceptualize when we see those things, among other realities that are nonetheless not physical. Most people who spiritually educated to any degree will correctly point out that energy work involves manipulation of Qi. But without understanding the above point and the nature of it as an allocatable (not consumable) resource, their efforts will be completely misguided. They will become lost in an unworkable mess of energy fields, currents, and other electromagnetic analogies that only work as that, but fail to convey the true nature of this work in critical ways.

The Work There are two books that are very helpful in learning to do this manipulation of Qi. New Energy Ways, and The Visceral Experience. Especially in the latter, the theoretical framework used to frame the practical exercises in the book is completely distorted by pseudomaterialist thinking, and should be discarded. The practical exercises, however, are very good in showing you how to sense and manipulate Qi. In the terms relevant to energy work, Qi is sensed as or through bodily sensation (however, Qi itself is not that bodily sensation). Although these books mostly focus on it as something pertaining to the body, it is an essential component in direct magic (not mediated by spiritual third parties), as well as many forms of metaphysical communication (clairs, healing, spirit communication, and contacting one's higher self, aka. the lens immediately above one in the figurative chain of photons that is shining on and through us). Qi, as the precursor to every material phenomenon, can be very useful to optimize the operation of our bodies, as can be gleaned from a few comments made by the master in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWO68FayDRk. But it can be also used to bring about or manifest events in the world in a more abstract way, by feeling and fixing our subconscious attention on that feeling. This is why sometimes manifestation is called artificial karma. If you're going to be doing it anyway, you might as well plan it consciously. Someone aiming to detach from this world, however, should focus on finding and deallocating subconscious attention threads instead of creating new ones, which is basically what Zen meditation does. Let's talk about these practices and their application.

So what do people mean when they talk about "cultivation" and collecting and storing spiritual energy in themselves?

>>6259 I thought it was obvious from the end of the third post. Recovering misused attention.

>>6259 Shen, the third treasure sought after by this cultivation, is not a substance at all. Shen is conscious awareness, and if you study Chinese medicine theory and look at the methods of cultivation described in the ancient texts, it's pretty clear what is happening. One preserves physical health and youthfulness (Jing) to be able to train his ability to direct his attention (mastery over Qi) in order to attain perfect awareness and lucidity (gather his Shen to perfection). It aligns with practices from other traditions such as yoga nidra. By attaining perfect lucidity one can become "lucid" even within the dream of samsara (ie become an "immortal").

Sorry about the multiple posting, but there's something else to consider. If our "threads of attention" are essentially beams of light from the light of God that shines through us (and are what create reality when we modulate them), it makes sense that as a person gathers and aligns more and more of this light into a coherent beam (through meditation, or repeated communion with their subconscious by the practice of magic), siddhis would begin to manifest (because their intention is more coherent and cohesive). And this is exactly what happens!

Physical or metaphysical energy? <--- This is nonsense There's only one energy, it cannot be created or destroyed. It's simply potential to accomplish something. One can accumulate energy or dissipate it but in a sense its always there. Qi/mana/prana/orgone is life energy, which seems to behave much like neutrinos, which seem to be generated by the sun. The aether is made of consciousness, from consciousness everything is made. So consciousness has potential, that is to say energy, to it. Neutrinos are tiny particles but they still have mass, its just barely measurable. Since they are particles, quantum principles apply to them. Quantum particles can be affected by observation. One's conscious mind can affect the life energy, this is also the basis of psionics. There are some seeming relations here, but I'm not entirely sure if anyone has made a connection between neutrinos and life energy other than myself, so consider this a fringe theory.

>>6266 Neutrinos are central to the cosmology of Human Design, and the Urantia book says that there is matter even more subtle than neutrinos which maybe resembles what you are describing. I don't find your theory convincing at all. Can you describe how neutrinos give rise to manifested reality? For example, I posit that the physical world is a projection of a metaphysical implicate order, which is a combination of qi molded by our collective intentions combined. So each one of us, acting as a "lens for the light of God", alter the projection with our intention. And in proportion to the coherence of our attention (you might call it "purity"), our combined power gives rise to a co-created reality. In my view, physical cause and effect is just an illusion that reflects the implicate order, not unlike a dream. How does your view differ exactly, and how does this neutrino-like substance give rise to synchronicity, for example? And how does thought, intention, or something else, interact with these particles exactly? I find this interesting, but I don't quite see it.

>>6269 I never said that neutrinos give rise to manifested reality, Its consciousness which gives rise to reality. I merely noted that neutrinos and life energy (qi/mana/prana/orgone) seem to be alike and thus might be the same thing. Either way, Qi can be manipulated by the mind. I don't think neutrino like substance gives rise to synchronicity. Its more like the whole system of consciousness, all that is, may organize itself via synchronicity. Neutrinos are merely substance which arises from consciousness, just like other substances. Maybe more subtle matter is involved with qi. If we consider quantum principles like the observation affecting the result, that says we can affect quantum particles with thought, that means matter is actually linked with mind and not actually separate onto itself. It might be easier for conventional minds who believe in such particles to affect them since they're so small, but my knowledge of these things is still kind of limited.

So if I read this correctly, energy is composed entirely of attention, so is all you need to do to get yourself away from a spirit is to quit paying attention to it? However, I suppose that this won't keep the spirit away from you; the spirit has its own agency, so it can will itself into a place that you are paying attention to, and then the only way to do stop it from doing that is by being aware enough of the spirit to prevent it from doing so, which paradoxically requires paying attention to it, which brings you closer to it. Or perhaps I didn't read this correctly? >>6257 Also I was hoping noone but OP would reply after this since it'd seemed like OP wasn't finished yet but now all this time has gone by since then and I think that might take a while.

>>6278 That's all I had to post. As for your question, in my opinion, energy is a misnomer. In order to get rid of a spirit, you need to disassociate yourself from it. The attention, as it were, that you are paying it is subconscious. Pretending to not pay it attention when a part of your psyche is with it makes no difference. Practice will answer all your questions. When you try to make psychic contact with someone, what do you see the other person's subconscious do in response? That's the same for you being approached by a pestering spirit. And banishing or cleansing is a great way to undo it. I think it works both by subconscious suggestion as well as qi manipulation (although most magicians will only get as far as the former).

If I try re-allocating my own traumatized energies from what I'm traumatized of to an acid plane, will the trauma actually be dissolved by the acid, thus curing me of the trauma, or would there be some extremely undesirable side effect to go along with that?

>>6459 >to an acid plane Why an acid plane? Let it dissolve in a love and kindness plane or an another beneficial energies plane. If you put your energies into an acid plane they will become "acidic". Do you want your energies to erode you further? What even gave you the idea that you need to put your traumas into an acid plane?

>>6460 I'd just figured that putting my traumas into such a plane will transmute them into a state wherein I could safely neutralize them and then I could turn the energies into something else. I had no idea that it'd turn them acidic, though, but in hindsight that makes sense.

>>6468 Just observe them in equanimity during meditation and let them dissolve (Castaneda's recapitulation), or use John Kreiter's reabsorption methods.

If acid planes exist, does this mean alkaline/basic planes exist too? What about electricity and magnetism planes? Chlorine planes? Uranium planes?

>>6545 Every object that exist represents an individual universe. Every object is alive and has a mind, and the mind itself is a plane. You can project yourself into these planes by projecting yourself into the mind of a particular object or material.

Regarding incorruptibility and immortality. Something curious happened in my fridge. I'm sure you've heard about the intention experiment by Wasaru Emoto. This experiment, if done properly with a control which you ignore, shows that it's not so much about positive energy, but about negative energy. The ignored subject will do better than it would naturally, simply by the negative energy subject serving as a scapegoat (this is the mechanism behind literal scapegoats, too). I bought some lettuce while at work, and left it in the fridge at the office overnight. In just one day, it started to decay. This surprised me greatly, because fruit and vegetables often go edible for months at home, and even then, they tend to wither, but don't rot. Just in case you're wondering, my country does not have the fake food problem the US has. In my country, fruit left to its own fate will rot fairly quickly. I wondered why this was, since I don't empower my fridge nor the food in it in any conscious way. I've done such experiments in the past to great success, but that was long ago. I was reminded of pic related and his legend, and the very long lived in China and India. It is said that just by doing the LBRP daily one can extend his lifespan. Then I understood that my home is an extremely neutral environment (I'm very sensitive, so I go to great extremes to keep it that way. Otherwise, I can't sleep properly at night). There are not a lot of random spirits that would suck the Yang out of living things here (these are called "fox spirits" below). Quite the opposite from the office, which is full of parasite-infested people, all sorts of nasty thought forms, and even a haunting on the building itself. In short, as the Daodejing tradition emphasizes, one should "Close the mouth, shut the doors, and all of life is without strain" to prevent essence leakage. The practice involves "Use the Light, return to insight, and thereby be preserved from harm" (https://san.beck.org/Laotzu.html 10, 52, 56) Chinese wisdom catalogues the following: >Internal parasites (Three Corpses) reduce lifespan covertly, causing yin to diminish over time. (Ge Hong, Baopuzi, c. 4th century CE) Quote: "It is said that within the human body are the Three Corpses. Though formless, they are indeed spirit-like ghosts. They seek to make the person die early so that they may become ghosts themselves, free to wander and enjoy offerings. On every gengshen day, they ascend to Heaven to report the person's sins to the Lord of Fate... Major offenses reduce a whole cycle (300 days); minor ones, just a few days." Explanation: The "Three Corpses" are not literal worms, but invisible ghost-like parasites residing in the organs. They want their host dead so they can escape the body and become free-roaming spirits. They act by reporting the host’s faults to celestial bureaucrats, thus reducing the person's remaining lifespan. >Fever demons (plague ghosts) disturb the balance of hot and cold, draining yin through sickness. (Gan Bao, In Search of the Supernatural, 4th century CE) Quote: "In ancient times, Emperor Zhuanxu had three sons who died and became plague demons: one dwelled in the River Jiang and caused malaria; one lived by the River Ruo and became a sprite that misled people; the third lingered in homes and startled children. Therefore, at the start of the year, the Fangxiang ritual was held to drive them away." Explanation: These three deceased sons became specific kinds of spirits: one causes recurring fevers (malaria), another confuses or haunts people, the third frightens children. Ancient exorcism rituals were intended to purge these ghosts. >Sexual spirits or succubi drain jing through physical union, leading to rapid collapse. (Yuan Mei, What the Master Would Not Discuss, 18th century CE) Quote: "A nun led a man to a secluded place and gave him two red pills. She said: ‘To receive the Way, you must first join with me.’ Soon after intercourse, his semen began to flow endlessly. He collapsed. The nun laughed and said: ‘You came seeking the Dao? This is your retribution.’ Three days later, he died." Explanation: A man is seduced by a female spirit in disguise, tricked into sexual activity under the promise of esoteric teachings. But the act drains him entirely—his vital essence (semen) flows uncontrollably and he perishes within days. >Fox spirits consume yang, causing gradual sickness as the yin-yang balance is eroded. (Ji Yun, Notes from the Cottage of Close Scrutiny, 18th century CE) Quote: "Foxes exist between ghosts and humans; they are yin in nature... When they bewitch a person, it is the yin eroding the yang. First comes illness; when the yang is entirely consumed, death follows." Explanation: Fox spirits are described as halfway between ghosts and humans, but their essence is entirely yin. When they seduce or confuse a person, they slowly consume that person’s yang energy (vital warmth and spirit), leading to sickness and eventual death.

>qigong every day >NEW every day >can silence my mind at will any time >binge on nachos and alcohol every three days I had visible abs two months ago. I'm falling down yet have momentum. Idk just putting it out there. Anyone else suffer in a similar way? I mean it's not exactly suffering. More like shackles chosen for fun? God damn. Cheers I guess. Also any tips on controlling the point of focused interoception into a spinning circle? My circles usually just sort of shoot away in weird directions.

>>14398 >qigong every day What kind of qigong?

>>14398 Ah, yes. I do the same. I wouldn't say "for fun", though, because in different circumstances I would be doing different things. But binging on beer is an easy way to have "fun" in this place we find ourselves in. Many accomplished magicians and historic mystics have problems with addictions. Neville Goddard's mentor comes to mind. He would down a bottle of whiskey with ice cream and tell Neville something along the lines of "this would harm you if you did it", but not him. VK Jehhannum also comes to mind. He's been known to indulge, and it's the same mechanism of the accomplished magician just motorboating the material universe because why not. >Also any tips on controlling the point of focused interoception into a spinning circle? My circles usually just sort of shoot away in weird directions. I don't quite understand what you mean. But if they are shooting off in random directions, it implies there's an excited component to the pattern. If you just visualize a perfect spinning circle with a fixed point in the center, do you get the same outcome? In any case, you'd do well to interrogate the component that introduces such chaos into the pattern. It has information that is probably useful for you to know.

>>13742 Relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp-x4NigzNU