>>205116
You are not running a C0 Lighter. If we include Limited Cinema, this whole conversation goes out of the window, as comparing that is just silly.
Most people are comparing C0 Lighter options to other alternatives.
For C0 Lighter this goes as follows:
Elite enemies have 200% stun multiplier, bosses generally have 150%.
Ellen can get 30% DMG from #5, 30% from her passive, 25% from her W-Engine, and then some more from outside sources like Caesar's Dead End, potentially her W-Engine, Astral, Swing Jazz, Proto Punk, etc.
With literally 0 sources of DMG% outside of Ellen's passive, Lighter is about 2.9% better than Lycaon during the stun.
If you simply add up a sane build that has DMG% #5 for Ellen/Caesar/Lycaon and PEN% #5 for Ellen/Caesar/Lighter (so 110% DMG for the former and 125% + 24% PEN for the latter), Ellen will deal 7% more damage in a team with Lycaon in it.
If we include Lighter's W-Engine, he comes ahead - but you need that W-Engine for that to happen.
In the scenario I ran (130 CRIT DMG% baseline), you'll be dealing 1.7% more damage on BAs (and scissors) and 5.4% more on everything else.
To begin with, running Lycaon with Ellen means running burst. Burst Ellen you run to do something like this
https://youtu.be/wvPMLkRbEto
And for this Lighter is a downgrade.
Soukaku, for example, outperforms both Lycaon and Lighter (with his W-Engine) even before you account for her RES Shred and her W-Engine's ATK% buff which I excluded because they are pretty short-lived simply because running Soukaku means you have fully stacked Astral at all times.
>>205150
I'm literally playing him in my main squad, though.
Knowing what squads people do and do not play has nothing to do with liking or hating the character.