>>201190
>Lighter will still be better for Ellen even if Fufu gets buffed
>>201408
>Ellen? Lighter is better
>Miyabi? she has better teams but they are probably equal since he can do his ORA ORA during her anime slashes
We've been over this numerous times.
No one uses Lighter with Ice agents we currently have unless they are coping.
Hugo will be the first one Lighter fits with.
Ellen has a 30% DMG Additional Ability Lighter can't activate. If you're on-fielding your Ellen (Deadly, Shiyu with fat bosses, and similar content), Caesar is an undisputed BiS for her, as she allows her to get her damage in. Astra can work as an alternative if you are very familiar with the enemy and are willing to do a billion retries, but it'll be much harder.
For the final slot, both Lycaon and Soukaku will be better than Lighter due to the fact they can activate Ellen's passive on top of their personal buffs. The stun extension is also not as relevant, as having 2+ Ice agents allows you to reliably land a Freeze during the stun, while having only Ellen does not.
If you're playing Burst Ellen (Shiyu with bosses who aren't too fat and thus can be deleted in a single burst from her), Lighter is closer to Lycaon damage-wise than you think, as Lycaon boosts damage multiplicatively (instead of primarily saturating the DMG multiplier) by a bit over 50% during the stun. In Shiyu specifically, you would really want to match the element when possible, so Lycaon also being Ice gives him an advantage here as well.
You could actually run Ellen/Lycaon/Lighter pretty well but in this lineup Lighter isn't really better than the rest of the supports (his power comes from boosting DMG as opposed to ATK, but this comp has zero sources of ATK anyway). And for Shiyu specifically, Nicole in particular would be an amazing final slot just for the grouping purposes.
Mibibi has a shitload of added DMG% (and even some RES% shred for a good measure) in her kit, so Lighter's buffs are less powerful than you'd think.
The only squad where Lighter could've been great was Miyabi/Lighter/Burnice, but that was deliberately nuked, as it would not activate Mibibi's Additional Ability, which on its own is bigger than everything Lighter can provide.
Lighter's own Additional Ability is also mandatory for him to function, and in the best Mibibi squads he can't really activate it.
Basically, only Miyabi/Lighter/Lucy is a functional squad, and it's way less powerful than the alternatives.
Even if Miyabi and Lighter happen to be your only S-rank agents, I doubt this squad can actually outperform Miyabi/Piper/Lucy, if the latter is played well.
Maybe if we get an Astra-tier Support (actual role) for SoC in the future, Lighter could work with Miyabi.
Maybe Soukaku/Lighter/Caesar is really good, but I think Lycaon there would be pretty close and allow the final slot to be more flexible.
Soukaku/Lighter/Trigger could've theoretically been insane, if all the additional abilities (or at least Lighter's) were up.
Also, we literally have no idea what Jufufu's numbers will be.
Her current kit is clearly stubbed, because as it is now, she's worse than C0 A-rank Supports, which doesn't apply to any of the rest Limited off-field S-ranks we had so far.
Making definitive statements about her based on what was leaked is peak retard and a waste of time - don't do that.
If they keep the general idea for what they have now, She's unlikely to replace Lighter for Evelyn, but might do so for S11 - of course, only if the buff magnitude is high enough as, again, currently it isn't anywhere close to viable.