>>558576
you're actually retarded and don't know how to play ellen, i'm sorry.
>That is not damage
the new BA1+2 combo you get out of her charge attack, glacial blade wave, has a higher multiplier than her old BA1+2. it is objectively higher damage, even ignoring the fact that it's fully invincible.
>and dodge counter for a bite
you do realize her old dodge counter lost invincibility on the attack portion, since it's the same animation as her charge attack? that's why they added the parry frames to begin with. against bosses with long, multi-hit attacks like marionettes she was literally incapable of dodge countering to gain stacks because she'd just get hit once she got to the attack portion, which meant you had to switch to a different agent or just kite like an idiot doing no damage until they stopped spinning.
>use Caesar or ex special through the attack.
so you were either forced to use a sub-optimal buffer just to have a shield, or you were forced to use resources out of stun to get access to invincibility.
>Now you're forced to dodge and when this happens during the stun window
i genuinely don't know what the fuck you're talking about here? how would your auto-dodges be triggered against a stunned enemy? her stun rotations have barely changed, you've only gained damage due to the addition of icy blade and her passive CD buff applying to her chains and ultimates. literally nothing about her changes is a nerf.
>>558591
polar metal was always absurdly niche on ellen and is only useful if you are using her in a mono-ice team that can consistently proc freeze (i.e. lyacon + soukaku). you are actually retarded, holy shit