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♔ Read a Book ♔ Peasant 05/01/2020 (Fri) 01:16:48 No. 22

Reading Thread.

Dante Alighieri

Aristotle

Anonymous Royalist Poem

Aquinas Political Writings:
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Herodotus Debate on Monarchy, Oligarchy, Democracy.

Ancient Egyptian Texts:

The Digest of Justinan -

De Laudibus Legum Angliae.
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Richard II's Views on Kingship by Simon Walker

Adam Blackwood's works

https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/sbook-law.asp
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King James VI & I

Political Works of King James I:
>>92
"If I were not a king, I would be a university man; and if it were so that I must be a prisoner, if I might have my wish, I would desire to have no other prison than that library"
- King James I

King James I and the Tinkler
http://www.musicanet.org/robokopp/english/kingjame.htm

God and King: Patriarchalist Tract by Richard Mocket and commissioned by King James I:

Mad Monarchist on King Charles I:

A royalist carol :

Struggle for Sovereignty Vol 1. Royalist and Parliamentarian arguments

Enemy of Monarchy: Oliver Cromwell

The Power of English Kings, Robert Filmer
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Homer's Odysses translated by Tho. Hobbes of Malmsbury:

John Bramhall, Archbishop of Armagh, royalist counterpart and opponent of Hobbes
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>Let every soul be in subjection to the higher power; for there is no power but of God, and the powers that be are ordained by God. Therefore, he that resisteth that power, withstandeth the ordinance of God; and they that withstand shall receive to themselves damnation.
-Romans 13:1-2
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-I Peter 2:13-16
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-I Samuel 12:13
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-Proverbs 19:10
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-Proverbs 17:26

2 Samuel 4:5-12 King James Version (KJV)
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2 Samuel 1 King James Version (KJV)
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EVOLA ON MONARCHY
After what we have said, it is clear that we do not share at all the idea that monarchy at this point should be democratized, that the monarch should assume almost bourgeois features '€” '€œmust come down from the august heights of the past and present himself and act in a democratic way,'€ as Loewenstein claimed. That would simply destroy his dignity and his raison d'€™Ãªtre, as we indicated. The king of the north European countries who carries a valise, who goes shopping in the stores, who consents to letting radio or television display his well-behaved family life to the people including his tantrum-throwing children, or else the Royal House that is provided for the curiosity and gossip of the news magazines, and whatever else one thinks, might make people close to the king, including, in the end, a good-natured paternal appearance (if the father is conceived in a bland bourgeois form), all this cannot avoid damaging the very essence of the monarchy. The '€œMajesty'€ then really becomes an empty epithet of the ceremony.
If one is really a monarchist, one cannot concede that the monarchy becomes reduced to a simple decorative and representative institution, a kind of nice furniture or, according to the image mentioned by Loewenstein, something like the golden figure that was put on the bow of a galleon; the State, in concrete terms, would remain that of the republican parliamentary democracies, concerning the king only to countersign, as would a president of the republic, whatever the government and parliament decide.
The constitution and the law should not be made into fetishes. Constitution and law do not fall ready-made from heaven, they are historical formations and their intangibility is conditioned by the normal course of things. When this course fails, when faced with emergency situations, a higher power must assert itself positively.

The Meaning and Function of Monarchy - Julius Evola
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Bodin's Six Books of Commonwealth:

/monarchy/ paranormal /x/ edition reads

Le despotisme de la Chine :

Tsar Ivan the Terrible correspondence.

Konstantin Pobedonostsev:

Liberty or Equality:

LEFTISM: From de Sade and Marx to Hitler and Marcuse:
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MM Articles semi-related:

Human Action

Europe and the Faith:

What was the Roman Empire?
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RERUM NOVARUM

Establishing Juche Outlook has an interesting phrase of 'One for All, All for One.' Alongside the cult of personality and 'Father Kim II Sung', DPRK despite its democratic and republican tradition shed interesting light on characteristics royalists might recognize.

A Socialist Empire: The Incas of Peru w/ foreword from Mises:

Gaius [or, Caius] Caesar (Caligula) sources:

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Shah of Iran
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David Hume's History of England complete volumes:

AMERICAN LOYALIST WORKS :
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Samuel Johnson's Political Commentaries:

How to be an Indo-European King, The EpicRamayana:https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=D9E8B9BA21457A7C7AEC4F6420219397https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=54A8585A5A44BDB4F94799A62858010Chttps://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=F908378AC39CCE17BD021E2D36A441DE
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NRx blog pieces
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Meaning of Despotism:
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By the way, on individualism, I think any sensible monarchist that knows that monarchy actually means 'rule of one' and read those screencaps above–they would understand, that the monarch is an individual, and that the question of individualism matters incredibly for monarchy. Part of the power of the monarch is an individual power, an undivided UNity, while every smack at 'The Individual' is also another potential smack at monarchy.
>>225
Here are two screencaps in response to that Aristotle screencap on democracy–Aristotle-royalism02.
It is a good democratic point, but Filmer and this Hobbes screencap make a case to counteract that point about many people bringing more food to the table.

The royal charter granted unto kings, by God himself :

The duty of inferiours towards their superiours, in five practical discourses:

Youtube Videos on Monarchy:
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A little thing to inconvenience modern communists.

I like our domain's name
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For she accompanies and attends revered kings Whomever the daughters of mighty Zeus honor and see being born from kings nurtured by Zeus, upon his tongue they pour dew sweeter than honey and from his mouth flow soothing words. All the people look to him as he decides between opposing claims with straight judgments. He addresses them without erring and quickly and knowingly ends a great quarrel. For this reason, kings are wise, because for people injuring one another in assembly, they end actions that call for vengeance easily, appeasing the parties with soft words. As he walks in the marketplace, they glorify him as if a god with soothing deference, and he stands out in the gathering.

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Monarchies are too expensive!
Not true, not by a long shot. Some monarchs (such as the Prince of Liechtenstein) cost the public nothing at all. In the United Kingdom, the money the Queen grants the government from the Crown Estates is considerably more than the allowance she receives from the Civil List, so Britain effectively makes money off the monarchy. Republics often spend more on their presidents, past presidents and first families than monarchies do on their royal houses. Many countries (like Australia, Jamaica or Canada) share a monarch and pay nothing and monarchies do not have the constant, massive expense of elections and political campaigns for the top job.

Hereditary monarchy just isn'€™t fair!
Why not? How can any system for determining national leadership be absolutely fair? It hardly seems fair that one person should receive the top job simply because he or she is more popular. Surely the correct criteria should be how qualified a person is rather than if they are good at making speeches, more photogenic or being more gifted at graft and deceit. In a monarchy the top job goes to someone trained from birth to fill that role. In a republic, even under the best circumstances, an elected president will take half their term learning to do the job and the other half campaigning to retain it; hardly a model of efficiency. Hereditary succession seems much more '€œfair'€ than granting power to those able to swindle enough money and promise enough favors to the powerful to obtain the highest office in the land.

Monarchies are dangerous! What if the monarch is incompetent?
The same question could be asked about republican leaders. However, rest assured, monarchs who are not capable of fulfilling their duties can be replaced and have been throughout history. Take two of the oldest and most stable monarchies; in Great Britain, when King George III became incapacitated the Prince of Wales was made regent and exercised his duties for him. Similarly, in Japan, when the Taisho Emperor was no longer able to fulfill his duties, the Crown Prince took over those duties for him as regent. On the other hand, even in the most successful republic in the world, the United States, only two presidents have ever been impeached and neither one was actually removed from office.

Monarchy is an archaic throwback! It'€™s simply out of date!
Certainly monarchy is an ancient institution as it developed naturally from the dawn of time and the growth of human civilizations. However, democracy and republicanism is just as archaic. The Greek city-states of ancient times tried direct democracy and found it of very limited value, lasting only so long as people found out they could vote themselves the property of others. Republicanism was tried on a large-scale by the ancient Romans and yet they too found that it caused too many divisions, factions and civil wars before they decided a monarchy was preferable. The oldest republic in the world today was founded in 301 AD. How out of date is that?
>>799
From madmonarchist's 'myths' page.
Maistre on Monarchy how balances Democracy/Oligarchy
Now, it is one of the greatest advantages of monarchical government that in it the aristocracy loses, as much as the nature of things allows, all those features offensive to the lower classes. It is important to understand the reasons for this.
>1. This kind of aristocracy is legal; it is an integral part of government, everyone knows this, and it does not waken in anyone's mind the idea of usurpation and injustice. In republics, on the other hand, the distinction between persons exists as much as in monarchies, but it is harder and more offensive because it is not the work of the law and because popular opinion regards it as a continual rebellion against the principle of equality admitted by the constitution'€¦.
>2. Once the influence of a hereditary aristocracy becomes inevitable (and the experience of every age leaves no doubt on this point), the best course to deprive this influence of the elements that rub against the pride of the lower classes is to remove all insurmountable barriers between the families within the state and to allow none of them to be humiliated by a distinction that they can never enjoy.
Now this is precisely the case in a monarchy resting on good laws. There is no family that the merit of its head cannot raise from the second to the first rank'€¦.
>3. And this order of things appears still more perfect when it is remembered that the aristocracy of birth and office, already softened by the right belonging to every family to enjoy the same distinctions in its turn, is stripped of everything possibly offensive to the lower orders by the universal supremacy of the monarch, before whom no citizen is more powerful than another; the man in the street, who is insignificant when he measures himself against a great lord, measures the lord against the sovereign, and the title of subject which brings both of them under the same power and the same justice is a kind of equality that stills the inevitable pangs of self-esteem'€¦.
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>>73 Herodotus Debate on Monarchy, Oligarchy, Democracy. w/ Roman equivalent "The family of my aunt Julia is descended by her mother from the kings, and on her father's side is akin to the immortal Gods; for the Marcii Reges (her mother's family name) go back to Ancus Marcius, and the Julii, the family of which ours is a branch, to Venus. Our stock therefore has at once the sanctity of kings, whose power is supreme among mortal men, and the claim to reverence which attaches to the Gods, who hold sway over kings themselves." -Julius Caesar
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>>92 Political Works of King James I: https://archive.org/details/politicalworksj00igoog/page/n18 King James I speech before parliament: http://www.luminarium.org/sevenlit/james/1609speech.htm An Apologie for the Oath of Allegiance by King James I: https://archive.org/details/apologieforoatho00jame/page/n3 His Maiesties poeticall exercises by King James I: https://books.google.com/books?id=6oQ8AAAAcAAJ&pg=PP3&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=false A Premonition to All Most Mightie Monarches by King James I: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.03.0071%3Asection%3D6%3Asubsection%3D1 The Psalms of King David translated by King James I (later printed by King Charles I): https://books.google.com/books?as_brr=1&id=OKkLAAAAIAAJ&vid=OCLC02770485&dq=King+James+Poetical+Exercises&jtp=79#v=onepage&q=King%20James%20Poetical%20Exercises&f=false The Book of Lawful Sports by King James I/Charles I: https://web.archive.org/web/20041204142451/http://www.wwnorton.com/nael/17century/topic_3/sports.htm https://www.constitution.org/eng/conpur017.htm The Political Works of King James I: https://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC01294377&id=nl8NAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA71#v=onepage&q&f=false King James I: https://www.jesus-is-lord.com/kjrome.htm More works of King James I: http://www.luminarium.org/sevenlit/james/jamesbib.htm A collection of Jacobean content: https://www.jesus-is-lord.com/kinginde.htm Counterblast to Tobacco – King James I http://www.luminarium.org/renascence-editions/james1.html
>>93 "If I were not a king, I would be a university man; and if it were so that I must be a prisoner, if I might have my wish, I would desire to have no other prison than that library" - King James I King James I and the Tinkler http://www.musicanet.org/robokopp/english/kingjame.htm
>>94 God and King: Patriarchalist Tract by Richard Mocket and commissioned by King James I: https://archive.org/details/godkingordialogu00mockuoft/page/n3
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>>95 Mad Monarchist on King Charles I: https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2012/01/trial-and-regicide-of-charles-i.html https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2010/01/king-charles-martyr.html https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2010/07/monarch-profile-king-charles-i-of.html https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2013/01/remember.html The English Civil Wars and Virginia https://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/English_Civil_Wars_and_Virginia_The Poems dedicated to the Restoration http://cowley.lib.virginia.edu/MacKing/MacKing.all.html An elegy to King Charles I : http://anglicanhistory.org/charles/elegie_epitaph1661.html King Charles I Trial : https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A40615.0001.001?rgn=main;view=fulltext;q1=Charles+--++I%2C+--++King+of+England%2C+1600-1649 Basilika the works of King Charles the martyr : with a collection of declarations, treaties, and other papers concerning the differences betwixt His said Majesty and his two houses of Parliament : with the history of his life : as also of his tryal and martyrdome. : https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A31771.0001.001?rgn=main;view=fulltext;q1=Charles+--++I%2C+--++King+of+England%2C+1600-1649 Effata regalia. Aphorismes [brace] divine, moral, politick. Scattered in the books, speeches, letters, &c. of Charles the First, King of Great Brittain, &c. https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A78780.0001.001?rgn=main;view=fulltext;q1=Charles+--++I%2C+--++King+of+England%2C+1600-1649 King Charles his welcome home, or, A congratvlation of all his loving subiects in thankfulnesse to God for His Maiesties safe and happie returne from Scotland, 1641 by Iohn Bond : https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A28663.0001.001?rgn=main;view=fulltext;q1=Charles+--++I%2C+--++King+of+England%2C+1600-1649
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>>109 The Power of English Kings, Robert Filmer https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A41311.0001.001?rgn=main;view=fulltext The Free-holders Grand Inquest, Robert Filmer https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A41303.0001.001?rgn=main;view=fulltext Observations concerning the original forms of government, Robert Filmer https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A41307.0001.001?rgn=main;view=fulltext
>>118 Homer's Odysses translated by Tho. Hobbes of Malmsbury: https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A44271.0001.001?rgn=main;view=fulltext Eight bookes of the Peloponnesian Warre Hobbes' translation: https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A13759.0001.001?rgn=main;view=fulltext
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>>122 MM Yes I do!: https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2013/10/mad-rant-yes-i-do.html MM Kings & Constitutions: https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2011/08/kings-and-constitutions.html MM Myth of the Cure-All Constitution: https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2017/03/the-myth-of-cure-all-constitution.html Madalogue on the Nature of Monarchy: https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2010/02/madalogue-on-nature-of-monarchy.html MM Mad Rant: 'Theoretical Monarchists' https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2011/06/mad-rant-theoretical-monarchists.html MM On Legitimacy of Monarchs: https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2014/05/on-legitimacy-of-monarchs.html MM Thoughts on Unity: https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2017/01/some-thoughts-on-subject-of-unity.html MM Popular Sovereign vs Popular Sovereignty: https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2016/11/popular-sovereignty-vs-popular-sovereign.html MM Divine Rights of Kings: https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-divine-right-of-kings.html MM Abortion & Why the Monarch is not the Messiah: https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2013/01/abortion-and-why-monarch-is-not-messiah.html MM Beware Democracy: https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2013/07/beware-democracy.html MM Complaining about Colonialism: https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2015/03/the-complaining-about-colonialism.html MM Sovereignty & Morality: https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2014/07/sovereignty-and-morality.html MM What does 'Tolerance' mean?: https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2012/08/mad-analysis-what-does-tolerance-mean.html MM Canada's Foreign Queen: https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2010/05/mad-rant-canadas-foreign-queen.html MM Christ & Emperor Tiberius: https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2016/09/christ-and-emperor-tiberius.html
[Expand Post] MM The Tiburtine Sybil & Imperial Prophecy: https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2016/08/the-tiburtine-sybil-imperial-prophecy.html
>>125 >Let every soul be in subjection to the higher power; for there is no power but of God, and the powers that be are ordained by God. Therefore, he that resisteth that power, withstandeth the ordinance of God; and they that withstand shall receive to themselves damnation. -Romans 13:1-2 >Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake: whether it be to the king as supreme, or unto governors as them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, or for the praise for them that do well. For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: As free, and not using your liberty for a cloak of maliciousness, but as servants of God. -I Peter 2:13-16 >Now therefore behold the king whom ye have chosen and whom ye have desired! And behold the Lord hath set a king over you. -I Samuel 12:13 >Delight is not seemly for a fool; much less for a servant to have rule over princes. -Proverbs 19:10 >Also to punish the just is not good, nor to strike princes for equity. -Proverbs 17:26
>>126 2 Samuel 4:5-12 King James Version (KJV) 5 And the sons of Rimmon the Beerothite, Rechab and Baanah, went, and came about the heat of the day to the house of Ishbosheth, who lay on a bed at noon. 6 And they came thither into the midst of the house, as though they would have fetched wheat; and they smote him under the fifth rib: and Rechab and Baanah his brother escaped. 7 For when they came into the house, he lay on his bed in his bedchamber, and they smote him, and slew him, and beheaded him, and took his head, and gat them away through the plain all night. 8 And they brought the head of Ishbosheth unto David to Hebron, and said to the king, Behold the head of Ishbosheth the son of Saul thine enemy, which sought thy life; and the Lord hath avenged my lord the king this day of Saul, and of his seed. 9 And David answered Rechab and Baanah his brother, the sons of Rimmon the Beerothite, and said unto them, As the Lord liveth, who hath redeemed my soul out of all adversity, 10 When one told me, saying, Behold, Saul is dead, thinking to have brought good tidings, I took hold of him, and slew him in Ziklag, who thought that I would have given him a reward for his tidings: 11 How much more, when wicked men have slain a righteous person in his own house upon his bed? shall I not therefore now require his blood of your hand, and take you away from the earth? 12 And David commanded his young men, and they slew them, and cut off their hands and their feet, and hanged them up over the pool in Hebron. But they took the head of Ishbosheth, and buried it in the sepulchre of Abner in Hebron
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>>127 2 Samuel 1 King James Version (KJV) 1 Now it came to pass after the death of Saul, when David was returned from the slaughter of the Amalekites, and David had abode two days in Ziklag; 2 It came even to pass on the third day, that, behold, a man came out of the camp from Saul with his clothes rent, and earth upon his head: and so it was, when he came to David, that he fell to the earth, and did obeisance. 3 And David said unto him, From whence comest thou? And he said unto him, Out of the camp of Israel am I escaped. 4 And David said unto him, How went the matter? I pray thee, tell me. And he answered, That the people are fled from the battle, and many of the people also are fallen and dead; and Saul and Jonathan his son are dead also. 5 And David said unto the young man that told him, How knowest thou that Saul and Jonathan his son be dead? 6 And the young man that told him said, As I happened by chance upon mount Gilboa, behold, Saul leaned upon his spear; and, lo, the chariots and horsemen followed hard after him. 7 And when he looked behind him, he saw me, and called unto me. And I answered, Here am I. 8 And he said unto me, Who art thou? And I answered him, I am an Amalekite. 9 He said unto me again, Stand, I pray thee, upon me, and slay me: for anguish is come upon me, because my life is yet whole in me. 10 So I stood upon him, and slew him, because I was sure that he could not live after that he was fallen: and I took the crown that was upon his head, and the bracelet that was on his arm, and have brought them hither unto my lord. 11 Then David took hold on his clothes, and rent them; and likewise all the men that were with him: 12 And they mourned, and wept, and fasted until even, for Saul, and for Jonathan his son, and for the people of the Lord, and for the house of Israel; because they were fallen by the sword. 13 And David said unto the young man that told him, Whence art thou? And he answered, I am the son of a stranger, an Amalekite. 14 And David said unto him, How wast thou not afraid to stretch forth thine hand to destroy the Lord's anointed? 15 And David called one of the young men, and said, Go near, and fall upon him. And he smote him that he died. 16 And David said unto him, Thy blood be upon thy head; for thy mouth hath testified against thee, saying, I have slain the Lord's anointed. 17 And David lamented with this lamentation over Saul and over Jonathan his son
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>>129 The Meaning and Function of Monarchy - Julius Evola http://www.gornahoor.net/?p=6548
>>131 /monarchy/ paranormal /x/ edition reads Bodin Demonomanie: https://archive.org/details/BodinDemonomanieBNF1587/page/n4/mode/2up Sinistrari's Demoniality; or, Incubi and succubi https://archive.org/details/demonialityorinc00sinirich/page/n6/mode/2up Pseudomonarchia Daemonum by Johann Weyer http://www.esotericarchives.com/solomon/weyer.htm
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>>197 A Socialist Empire: The Incas of Peru w/ foreword from Mises: https://cdn.mises.org/A%20Socialist%20Empire%20The%20Incas%20of%20Peru_3.pdf
>>209 AMERICAN LOYALIST WORKS : Letters of a Westchester Farmer : http://anglicanhistory.org/usa/seabury/farmer/ HE TRUE INTEREST OF AMERICA IMPARTIALLY STATED, IN CERTAIN STICTURES ON A PAMPHLET INTITLED COMMON SENSE. BY AN AMERICAN. https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=evans;cc=evans;rgn=main;view=text;idno=N11718.0001.001 History of Origin – C. Stedman (American Loyalist): https://archive.org/details/historyoforiginp02stediala/page/n7
>>240 The royal charter granted unto kings, by God himself : https://archive.org/details/roygran00bayl/page/n7/mode/2up
>>241 The duty of inferiours towards their superiours, in five practical discourses: https://archive.org/details/dutyofinferiours00nichuoft/page/n3/mode/2up England's beauty in seeing King Charles the Second restored to majesty: https://archive.org/details/england00reev/page/n3/mode/2up
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>>249 Youtube Videos on Monarchy: The Superiority of Monarchy https://youtu.be/PzAtszsW7WU Democracy, Monarchy & Catholicism: A Scholarly Analysis https://youtu.be/Ac1d0E1bLgg Basic Concepts of Absolutism https://youtu.be/1wsZ4cJBDpY On Monarchism & Democracy https://youtu.be/BKtXU8n7aXc Democracy the God that Failed https://youtu.be/k12teOokSqM H.S.H. Prince Hans-Adam II – The State in the Third Millennium https://youtu.be/8AXBX3e1T64 Thomas Hobbes Arguments for Monarchy https://youtu.be/vlnNsLj8-LY Monarchy 2 https://youtu.be/N_1dZqhiaIw Why I'm a Monarchist https://youtu.be/YxertU2shnE
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>>796 For she accompanies and attends revered kings Whomever the daughters of mighty Zeus honor and see being born from kings nurtured by Zeus, upon his tongue they pour dew sweeter than honey and from his mouth flow soothing words. All the people look to him as he decides between opposing claims with straight judgments. He addresses them without erring and quickly and knowingly ends a great quarrel. For this reason, kings are wise, because for people injuring one another in assembly, they end actions that call for vengeance easily, appeasing the parties with soft words. As he walks in the marketplace, they glorify him as if a god with soothing deference, and he stands out in the gathering. Such is the sacred bounty of the Muses to men. From the Muses and far-shooting Apollo are singers and guitar-players across the earth,but kings are from Zeus. Dio Chrysostom discourses: https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Dio_Chrysostom/Discourses/1*.html https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Dio_Chrysostom/Discourses/2*.html https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Dio_Chrysostom/Discourses/3*.html http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Dio_Chrysostom/Discourses/4*.html https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Dio_Chrysostom/Discourses/56*.html https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Dio_Chrysostom/Discourses/62*.html Homer The Iliad https://www.gutenberg.org/files/6130/old/6130-pdf.pdf Odyssey https://www.gutenberg.org/files/3160/3160-h/3160-h.htm Homeric Hymns https://www.platonic-philosophy.org/files/Homeric%20Hymns.pdf CYROPAEDIA Xenophon https://www.gutenberg.org/files/2085/2085-h/2085-h.htm
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>>22 Didn't see it posted anywhere else in this thread, so here's the full version of the chart.
>>976 That one is far too big. I planned on making a condensed version someday w/ some books trimmed out and others kept.
>>977 That's fair. I haven't looked through all the titles listed but there are definitely some that could be cut (a few are just short articles rather than full books).
Is there a more modern translation of Leviathan anywhere?

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Tyranny memelord reporting in. I have read through these and I pick and choose. Certain parts I disagree with like the "pyramids of Giza" to make everyone poor--imo, this is a reflection of household rule and that is only one way of observing it as a political dynamic.
Lord of the Four Corners was a title of great prestige claimed by powerful monarchs in ancient Mesopotamia. Though the term "four corners of the world" does refer to specific geographical places within and near Mesopotamia itself, these places were at the time the title was first used thought to represent locations near the actual edges of the world and as such, the title should be interpreted as something equivalent to "Lord of all the known world", a claim to universal rule over the entire world and everything within it. Hammurabi (r. 1810–1750 BC) – referred to as the "king who made the four corners of the Earth obedient" This early empire-building was encouraged as the most powerful monarchs were often rewarded with the most prestigious titles, such as the title of lugal (literally "big man" but often interpreted as "king" King was simply "big man" or big guy. The household rule is something else overlooked... they sometimes call it despotism (they're right), but the name Lord of the Four Corners for universal and pre-eminent rule was based on household rule too... like one great household, as a house has four corners like a pyramid. The Japanese had Hakkō ichiu, meaning Eight Corners under One Roof, all the world under one roof.
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>Hakkō ichiu (八紘一宇, "eight crown cords, one roof" i.e. "all the world under one roof") or Hakkō iu (八紘爲宇, Shinjitai: 八紘為宇) was a Japanese political slogan meaning the divine right of the Empire of Japan to "unify the eight corners of the world." It was prominent from the Second Sino-Japanese War to World War II, popularized in a speech by Prime Minister of Japan Fumimaro Konoe on January 8, 1940. >The term was coined early in the 20th century by Nichiren Buddhist activist and nationalist Tanaka Chigaku, who cobbled it from parts of a statement attributed in the chronicle Nihon Shoki to legendary first Emperor Jimmu at the time of his ascension. >The Emperor's full statement reads: "Hakkō wo ooute ie to nasan" (八紘を掩うて宇と為さん, or in the original kanbun: 掩八紘而爲宇), and means: "I shall cover the eight directions and make them my abode". The term hakkō (八紘), meaning "eight crown cords" ("crown cords" being the hanging decorations of the benkan (冕冠), a traditional Chinese-styled crown), was a metaphor for happō (八方) or "eight directions".
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Anyone have a copy of The Royal Touch?
>>1599 Could you be more specific on the title, there are several titles that include The Royal Touch.
>>1635 Marc Bloch.
>>1637 I couldn't find it online and the places that have it on sale apparently don't ship it to the country where I live, I'm sorry.
Notable Greek Tyrants: Pheidon Cleobulus Peisistratos (Athens; Zeus Olympus) Cypselus (1st tyrant of Corinth) Periander (one of the 7 sages; tyrant of Corinth) Polycrates (Samos; enlightened tyrant and warrior) Miltiades the Younger -(Thracian Chersonese) Nicocreon of Salamis in Cyprus Strattis of Chios Nabis of Sparta Orthagora of Sicyon Theron of Acragas Panaetius tyrant of Leontini
>>1663 Well, I got a copy, but the file limit is too damn huge to post here. Anyone got anything on the Black Legend?
>>1380 Which ones should be added to the reading list? >>1671 Only books I found about Spain's Black Legend are from Maria
>>1950 Maria?
>>1973 Mainly American democracy, which is a completely obsoleted method that hasn't been changed in hundreds of years which actively discourages accurate representation. Democracy can only succeed in a nation where a basic foundation of scientific method and media analysis (understanding bias, misleading/decontextualization of statistics/etc) are properly taught to the public. Otherwise, the demos can largely be manipulated to vote against their interest, making the system worthless.
https://twitter.com/real_thomas777/status/1313470094245322758 >PHILOSOPHICAL Heritage of the Radical >Right: >-Aristotle >-Fichte >-Hegel >-Schopenhauer >-DeMaistre >-Sorel >-Carlyle >-Heidegger >-Wolfgang Smith
>>2108 nice list
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Plato confirms monarchs are lifelong rulers.
Diocletian also started a Dominate and his title "Dominus". Domos was a Greek root word for "House". The word "despot" has its roots in this meaning, "domos" and "posis" (husband)--despot translates to "lord of the house". Housemaster. Aristotle on kingly rule being household rule^ The word "Pharaoh" literally translates to "Great House" also. Royal rule is household rule... Ramssess II built a city called "Pi-Ramssess" meaning "House fo Ramssess" A good example of royal rule being household rule is a bee hive, the structure itself is a great household.
Dictators confirmed as a monarchy. Kaiser/Tsar come from the name of a literal Dictator Julius Caesar.
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Essential.
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>King Alfred's Translation of Pastoral Care https://archive.org/details/kingalfredswest00sweegoog/page/n7/mode/2up Another link on John of Salisbury and the insufferable monarchomachism: http://www.davekopel.org/Misc/Mags/Policraticus.htm
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Dante Alighieri's Political Letters 5 - 7: Link: http://www.danteonline.it/english/opere.asp?idope=7&idlang=UK Go to Epistle V, VI, & VII Read Dante's De Monarchia for more.
>>2409 Would you consider it accurate to say that Bodin is like a pure monarchist Aristotle?
>>2488 Well, we've been stuck with the watered down "constitutional" kind for years, so people feel more inclined to clarify. >>2486 What made him get along with the advisory so much easier?
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LATEST READING LIST
Six Books of Commonwealth (long version) in PDF
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Royal Fish: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_fish Royal forest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_forest An appeal to Caesar : wherein gold and silver is proved to be the kings majesties royal commodity: https://archive.org/details/aesarwh00viol/page/n5/mode/2up
>>22 Is there any good reading regarding islamic/muslim monarchies?
>>2718 Not that I know.
>>2488 Not a fan of Monarcho-communism then I take it? :^)
>>22 After digging through a while, I could finally find some books on monarchy and rule from and Islamic perpective. -KITAB AL-KHARAJ by Abu Yusuf -Ghazālī's Book of Counsel for Kings -The Morals of the Beneficent -The Ordinances of Government -The Book of Government; or, Rules for Kings
Jordan Maxwell on the word 'capital'
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>monarchy reading list >includes "The Jews" by Belloc
I heard that Empress Theodora spanked some of her subjects but I have no idea how true that is. Anyone got reading on her?
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look at me. im an attention whore. I only have two pictures.
reading is for nerds. HOlyshit, this board is a top board now.
>>4616 As it once was. The once and future top board.
>>22 There was a reading list with Kim Jong-il, but I lost it.
>>5510 someone share it again pls
>>5613 >Go to /pol/ >Complete shit tier lists of barely researched bullshit and terrible books >/monarchy/ >Classical literature and actually researched historical books This board is better
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>>5896 >This board is better You're flattering me, anon. It's not much of a comparison. /pol/ is dead on 8moe. All the books you see are from my own readings & bias, & others compiled from the input of other monarchists. I'd say the only reason this board seems smart is because most contemporary anons aren't familiar with our politics. >Complete shit tier lists I've seen plenty of criticism for my reading lists too. A traditionalist once remarked that my reading list was the most "modern thing" he ever seen. & others say I don't separate and organize the books more constitutionalist and absolutist--they're all over the place. I also forgot >>4159 Jean Bodin's Methodus for the collection & I would have definitely added it. A few books I crossed by chance, like Unbelief and Revolution I randomly stumbled upon at a book sale. The rest are pamphlets / sermons from 17th century Anglos that I perused online.
>>5896 >>>/ns/ also has some books.
I want to read a Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn book anyone have a translation of "The Timeless Christian"?
>>5923 Unfortunately, no.
>>5928 ¿hay alguna colección en epub?
>>5945 Lo sé. Todos saben. Pero los documentos que salen de una conversión de PDF->epub son horribles y cuestan leer. Trátalo tú mismo y verás.
>>5949 Las versiones de Epub podrían estar disponibles.
I didn't really know where else to post this and don't think it deserves killing a thread over. Where can you find /fascism/ these days? I tried 16chan.xyz but it's dead too.
>>6000 They decided we were too degenerate so they went to 16. I told them they were retarded. So now the answer is nowhere. Fucking morons.
>>6001 That really sucks, I wasn't on board with all of their ideological points but they had a good library and sometimes compelling discussions.
>>6002 Let this be a lesson. Not every home is perfect. But that doesnt mean one should go it alone. Or alternatively, purity spiralling is ultimatrly only destructive.
>>6000 They went to zzzchan.
/monarchy/-/fascist/ crossposting is pretty bad & going downhill. They ridicule us for funposting with /abdl/ & /tkr/. & /fascist/ these days isn't rlly a politics board anymore, but a /fringe/ & /x/ bastard lovechild. I visited them once or twice, & even invited them into the /tkr/ drama. They're full of hardposters--too serious for this board's antics. We're a hard politics board, but we don't take ourselves as srsly as they do. & whenever there are /fascist/ stealthposters here, it's not very /comfy/ & they almost always have beef w/ hereditary monarchy... No offense to any /fascist/ anons. & no, I don't actively crosspost on /fascist/. Rarely ever. In case any /fascist/ anons here were wondering I'm bent on leaving /fascist/ alone. I am grateful for their black onyx jewel. But think our boards should keep their respective distance. >>6003 >>6001 >I told them they were retarded It's probably for the best. Wherever /fascist/ goes, I bet glowies follow. >Fucking morons. 8moe still has /pol/ & Spanish-speaking frens from /hispol/.
>>6012 this is it take a shit got no time dirty mind uwe uwe uwe
>>5950 ¿Dónde? Decir que pudieran existir tampoco ayuda. He buscado por los sitios usuales y no he encontrado nada.
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The last ditch effort. This last reading list, now I retire.
>>6311 Nice and concise, but with plenty of supplementals. I like it.
>>6311 Truly great lectures to read to the childreen before they sleep.
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>>6461 Here is the updated one.
& pamphlets
So far I've read Leviathan by Hobbes(I thought he was right about the importance of political stability, how a house divided against itself cannot stand, etc.; but that he was wrong in starting his foundation with the enlightenment idea that the people elected a monarch). I've read Patriarcha by Filmer and thought it was good(but I should probably re-read it). I was thinking I should read The Menace of the Herd or Aristotles Politics next. Does /monarchia/ have a recommendation?
>>6984 >Aristocrat You must be an oldfag.
If you're looking at Hobbes and Filmer, you should really look to Jean Bodin's Six Books of a Commonwealth + Easy Method for the Comprehension of History. Jean Bodin Six Books of Commonwealth: https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A16275.0001.001?c=eebo;c=eebo2;g=eebogroup;rgn=main;view=fulltext;xc=1
>Aristotles Politics There's a lot of problems Monarchists have with Aristotle -- the more I've come to understandd.
Political Works & Speeches of King James VI & I: https://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC01294377&id=nl8NAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA53#v=onepage&q&f=false You can read K. James VI & I -- True Law of Free Monarchies + his speeches (which I recommend skipping to after True Law of Free Monarchies).
You can read all of Filmer here.
Bossuet Politics Drawn from Holy Scripture covers Monarchy pretty well.
If you're looking for a more libertarian perspective on Monarchy rather than absolutist, however, then you know -- Hoppe's Democracy the God that Failed Hans-Adam II The State in the Third Millennium Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn's Liberty Or Equality Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn's The Menace of the Herd Bertrand de Jouvenel Sovereignty & On Power ---- ...I have my problems with right libertarians & monarchy... which imo dates back to Aristotle's & Alexis de Tocqueville's legacy... but nevertheless I'll throw these works out there (even though they're fundamentally opposed the absolutism espoused here). Lately in that sphere I also noticed Von Haller (ahem, Carlsbad) is fairly popular and trendy.
CYROPAEDIA Xenophon https://www.gutenberg.org/files/2085/2085-h/2085-h.htm Good classic read here^
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I compiled stuff here. Make of it what you will.
>>6985 Nope, I'm a newfag. I found out about the names from picrel
>>6986 I don't know much about Jean Bodin but I'll add him to my reading list. >>6988 I've read(and enjoyed) Dante's Divine Comedy so I'll probably take your advice and read De Monarchia next. Thanks for the recommendation. >>6987 I was mainly asking about Aristotle because I know that Filmer has a dialogue about him.
>>6999 Every monarchist should know the Herodotus Debate + Homer's monarchist maxim from the Illiad.
>>6999 A lot of grievances that constitutional monarchists and libertarians have with Absolute Monarchy goes back to Aristotle -- personally, I believe those grievances are incompatible with a monarchical state. Also the notion of mixed constitutionalism strongly goes back to Aristotle (at least, as we absolutists see it). The whole business with muh centralization complaint thrown at absolute monarchists is in essence really Aristotle's complaint that the political constitution or concord of freemen and equals shouldn't be governed like a household or monarchy -- it shouldn't be brought under unity to such an extent or one person to lead them -- centralization complaint is basically Aristotle's City on a bigger scale, except instead of the pretense of the estates against the city & ruling it like a monarchy, it is regions against the state sovereignty. --So understand there it's anti-monarchy from the beginning with the centralization problem, inherently at odds with the one command of monarchy and its unity and governing the state like a monarchy. ... For example, Aristotle fundamentally denies monarchy is appropriate for ruling the State, but should stay to the private estate or economic unit only. Knowledge for the monarchy to govern the State is also denied, because of Aristotle's food argument and also his stating that political and economical are different -- so we cannot say, that a monarch knows better to govern the entire State, because he knows how to govern his own estate and rule himself. ... And because Aristotle says Monarchy should not rule the political constitution or State -- then Monarchy altogether is pretty much denied as a form of State or Republic or Commonwealth -- which pretty much denies Monarchy as we fancy it... but sure others try to do a positive spin (ahem, Von Hallerists / Carlsbad) and suggest with patrimonialism that Monarchy should only be for the economic estate in a more positive manner... but like with all constitutionalism such as this from Aristotle, it makes Monarchy inferior in relationship to the political -- which denies monarchical pre-eminence and any majesty for Monarchy. ... Lastly, there's Aristotle's food argument: that albeit one wise man (like a philosopher king) might outsmart particular members of an assembly, that wise man cannot compete with the wisdom imparted from all the council, saying that they'll bring more food to the table (ideas) with their persons. The "food to the table" case makes the case for democracy, in that we'll want all the estates or houses of a city to bring ideas to better govern and know what is happening -- of course, even absolute monarchists somewhat concede this and make an appeal for the estates-general or parliamentary institutions or any assembly, but remember we also cannot suffice with this for Monarchy's sake, because it denies the Monarch knowledge to govern -- so we'd rather stick with Plato's maxim, political and economical are no different, and that everything you need to know to govern politically can also be found in the economical estate and most famously to know yourself. ... + Aristotle's water argument: one droplet of water is corrupted more easily than an ocean of water.
To understand absolute monarchists attitude toward Aristotle, I'll leave you with quotes from Jean Bodin & Thomas Hobbes: Jean Bodin - Aristotle, forced to confess that there never were any king & Moses the greatest tyrant of all >"What Aristotle said that the king becomes a tyrant when he governs even to a minor degree contrary to the wishes of the people – is not true, for by this system there would be no kings. Moses himself, a most just and wise leader, would be judged the greatest tyrant of all, because he ordered and forbade almost all things contrary to the will of the people. Anyway, it is popular power, not royal, when the state is governed by the king according to the will of the people, since in this case the government depends upon the people. Therefore, when Aristotle upheld this definition, he was forced to confess that there never were any king" ... Bodin - Natives of America, not trained by Aristotle, but shaped by Nature >"Moreover, from earliest memory the people of America always have retained the royal power. They do not do this because they have been taught, but from custom. They were not trained by Aristotle, but shaped by their leader, nature. Furthermore, when they hear that the rule of optimates exists in some corners of Italy or Germany, they marvel that this can be." Hobbes -- Scarce any thing more absurdly said & more repugnant to Governman than Aristotle's Politics >"And I believe that scarce any thing can be more absurdly said… more repugnant to Government, than much of that he hath said in his Politics" I believe Robert Filmer also criticizes Aristotle in his treatise on Aristotle -- particularly, I recall, on the whole tyranny meme: Filmer said, for example, that no master can ever wholly govern his servants for himself ('cause from Aristotle, we know "govern not for yourself" or the principle of partiality (denying the whole for particular interest) -- a master in order to preserve himself also has to preserve his servants, Filmer says. ... Filmer / Political & Economic, No Different >Aristotle gives the lie to Plato, and those that say that political and economical societies are all one, and do not differ specie, but only multitudine et paucitate, as if there were 'no difference betwixt a great house and a little city'. All the argument I find he brings against them is this: 'The community of man and wife differs from the community of master and servant, because they have several ends. The intention of nature, by conjunction of male and female, is generation. But the scope of master and servant is only preservation, so that a wife and a servant are by nature distinguished. Because nature does not work like the cutlers at Delphos, for she makes but one thing for one use.' If we allow this argument to be sound, nothing doth follow but only this, that conjugal and despotical [lordly / master] communities do differ. But it is no consequence that therefore economical and political societies do the like. For, though it prove a family to consist of two distinct communities, yet it follows not that a family and a commonwealth are distinct, because, as well in the commonweal as in the family, both these communities are found. So there's a reason why we sorta bonk on Aristotle (but tbh there's also a few problems we have with Plato, but I'd say we're overall less critical.)
Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf also criticizes parliamentarianism: >Does anybody honestly believe that human progress originates in the composite brain of the majority and not in the brain of the individual personality? ^this can also be read as a knack against Aristotle (food argument) & re-asserting the philosopher king / rule of a wise man.
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Which isn't to say that there's nothing a monarchist can find in Aristotle: These 4 screencaps related are useful information from Aristotle. I think Aristotle does an adequate job describing what monarchical pre-eminence is (although he denies it later). Aristotle also briefly notes how monarchical rule is a personal form of rule & doesn't take his turn in being governed (in talking about the difference between a king and statesmen). Which I added to my 8 fundamentals of sovereign monarchy. Aristotle talked briefly about blood relationship in monarchy -- being of the same blood and suckled by the same milk -- which is pretty much why royal animals like ants and bees are royal, since they're all offspring of the same queen in a monogamous colony and share the same blood. Aristotle also briefly talks about the fatherly nature of Monarchy. (Which you can also hear about in Xenophon's Cyropaedia -- I covered that in my thread). But we have a love-hate relationship with Aristotle.
Absolute monarchists hold Plato's maxim that there's no difference between the economic (household) and political (city). --But we are a little partial to Aristotle's idea of Monarchy modeled after a household nonetheless, we just say that all the sufficient things to govern the State or body-politic are also to be found therein and don't function differently. --As Jean Bodin says, you don't build a City without Houses. To separate these would be like pulling the limbs from the body. The power of the Pater Familias is retained. When the sons and servants leave the estate of their father & master, that power of them is retained and rolls into Sovereignty. The nature of the master's household with his sons and servants is the same as a city, because when the master has a room for various servants like a room for cooking (kitchen), a room for learning (library), a room for clothes and storage -- those are also found in the city as buildings like rooms in a master's estate, when the master's home runs out of rooms for these services, the sons and servants moved out and made more rooms as buildings of a City. In a City, you find restaurants like a kitchen in an home, libraries like a library in a home, stores like store rooms in a home, etc. Except both the household / estate & the political / state have their common and proper relationships and propriety: they have this in proper and this in common, as we might say we have a king in common, and the king has us in proper. ... 1st screencap is Bodin. 2nd is Aristotle. 3rd is Plato. 4th is Aristotle again.
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Robert Filmer's work is important because it's very important to the idea of Monarchy regarding the Pater Familias that this power is retained -- so when a city is formed like a colony from the Pater Familias, it easily is reconciled with a monarchical in the State. If we deny the power of the Pater Familias even as his sons and servants leave (and get older), then we deny a foundation for monarchy to govern the State -- since now he is stuck with his own estate (like Aristotle wants & why constitutional monarchists don't want monarchy to govern the State & have little as possible). --I think Carlsbad (Von Hallerfag) also tried to deny the retention of the Pater Familias' power... which you can see as troublesome for justifying monarchy, since with the retention of the pater familias' power comes an easy justification to say there's monarchical rule both in the household and eventually grows into the State as the final public authority like sovereignty. ... Vico in New Science also makes an important quote: >Axioms 67-76, and particularly the corollary to 69, show us that fathers in the family state must have exercised monarchical power which was subject to God alone. This power extended over the persons and property of their children, and to a greater extent over those of the family servants, famuli, who had sought refuge on their lands. This made them the first monarchs of the world. (We must interpret the Bible as referring to such men when it calls them patriarchs, which means "ruling fathers".) Throughout the Roman republic, their monarchical rights were guaranteed by the Law of the Twelve Tables, which says, "The family father shall have the right of life and death over his children". And it adds that "Whatever a son acquires, he acquires for his father". ... <"Whatever a son acquires, he acquires for his father" I like to imagine this like for an ant colony -- the ant queen sends her offspring out to nourish the colony, they come back and provide nourishment for the colony as a whole and inevitably back to the queen ant. The queen ant is the sovereign power, motion, and lifeforce of the entire ant colony: kill the queen, what happens next is decay, and the gradual decline of their sovereign soul.
>>7002 >>7003 Thank you for all the quotes/commentary; but, doesn't Aquinas think similarly to Aristotle in De Regno(which you linked above)?(I read that he did, I forget where though; haven't actually read Aquinas yet.) I have a copy of Plato's Republic, so I'll probably read that after De Monarchia.
Also, are there any active monarchist blogs? I've heard of Mad Monarchist but it looks like he/she stopped. I've read a bit of Moldbug but I'm not really sure if he's a monarchist or just reactionary.
>>7009 >doesn't Aquinas think similarly to Aristotle I wouldn't say entirely, but yes, people say Aquinas regurgitates a lot of Aristotle. Nonetheless Monarchists have certain grievances with Aristotle & I listed a few above. For example, Aristotle wards that the State shouldn't have too much unitary contrary to Plato -- the talking point of atomization basically comes from Aristotle, because he said that in response to Plato. It depends what you want with monarchy -- if you're looking for absolute monarchy then, yes, you should be wary of Aristole -- constitutional monarchy? well, sure, but keep in mind that almost becomes tantamount to being like a president (elected & limited, takes turns, & merely a part of the constitution & not in relation of the entire State, etc). You could even make the case presidents are limited monarchs along with dictators and ideal constitutional monarchs. Some constitutionalists for real try to make that case -- like Clement Atlee & David Starkey & others. >>7010 >I've heard of Mad Monarchist but it looks like he/she stopped You can still find MM. Bones of LaSalle Or @bonesoflasalle on Twitter >are there any active monarchist blogs? I have mixed feelings about most bloggers -- don't like 'em. There's Carlsbad and Imperium Press, I suppose, and there were NeoAbsolutist bloggers sometime ago -- but that's old news. You should find all the sufficient information here as well. I'd rather you read the books than most bloggers. That's my opinion, b/c I don't think most bloggers are decent. >Moldbug There is neocameralism which is like the doctrine we've been talking about (political & economical no different). https://pcbwiki.net/wiki/Neocameralism
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Read this series on Majesty / Sovereignty / Pre-eminence I compiled. It should run you a nice reference sheet.
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This should be helpful.


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