>>17789 (OP) I like Mullvad browser but people say it leaves a unique fingerprint because no one uses it

>>17789 (OP) brave is so shit but i have yet to find something retard friendly thats better. i have to use edgy to get directv to work

>>17789 (OP) edge lol

Fuck it's so easy to get along with people who do things differently from me without the usual few starting stupid wars about stupid things, why did shills do that anons?

>>17789 (OP) LibreWolf or Mullvad Browser. Maybe Brave too. >>17794 Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Mullvad Browser would do anything to give itself away as "Mullvad" browser. I imagine it would just mimic Firefox no?

i use firefox and as long as it has tree style tabs and ublock origin i have no intention of switching to something else because everything else is inferior

>>17800 Sorry am codelet, I always assumed this to be the case but shill to signal ratio on 4chan /g/ was too thick to cut through, I do know that youtube doesn't know who the fuck I am when I watch videos there instead of freetube, and websites can't seem to geolocate me with any degree of accuracy

>>17789 (OP) For me it's Floorp. The adjustments made compared to Firefox are good for me personally, and being disconnected from Mozilla's increasingly large pool of problems while still using their technology is nice.

Zen Browser privacy speed side tabs open sores customizable but works out of the box makes Trannizilla and Cabbalium users alike mad

>a browser thread LibreWolf or Mullvad if you like Firefox, Ungoogled Chromium if you like Chromium, that's really all you need.

>>17794 It will almost completely match Tor Browser's fingerprint once TB adds uBlock Origin in 15.0, so that will be a huge help. >>17800 >Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Mullvad Browser would do anything to give itself away as "Mullvad" browser. I imagine it would just mimic Firefox no? You don't understand how fingerprinting works. Every individual browser on every computer has a unique fingerprint. Mullvad Browser and Tor Browser try to make all of their users have the same fingerprint (not totally possible since you can't hide your OS), but you need a crowd so that you don't stand out. Otherwise, you stand out even more, because you look like you're TRYING to hide while being in an obvious disguise. Please read Arkenfox's wiki and read comments from Thorin in the issues section for more information about fingerprinting. https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js/wiki

I've been pleased with IceCat since switching, but unfortunately 8chan doesn't seem to like it so I'm using LibreWolf to post here.

>just works <chromium or librewolf >independence <palemoon The rest are memes. Ladybird will be based though.

>>17837 >Ladybird will be based though. How?

I used qute browser for a bit and enjoyed it, slow but very nice vim-like keybindings and pretty customizable. It's not going to replace whatever browser you are using right now tho.

Brave has gotten so good. So far it's been everything Firefox used to be for me.

>>17863 Either anon is from the future or he has no idea, thinking ladybird is gonna cure cancer.

>>17863 Simply because it's a truly independent browser with the potential to break Google's monopoly.

LibreWolf and Brave are the only contenders at the moment.

>>17817 i tried out Zen for a little and at first it was pretty nice, but it seemed to break something after every update they push got boring pretty fast...

>>17908 >with the potential to break Google's monopoly. Hoping to be wrong with this, but this sounds fucking delusional, unfortunately. Even lulzilla couldn't come out on top after IE exploded, Chrome wiped them down to 3%. Best case scenario is probably a niche but dedicated user base that keeps it afloat as a decent third option.

>>17959 It's literally being backed by one of the founders of Github for that sole purpose. And I didn't say it will just that it has potential.

>>17789 (OP) I use librewolf. I tried some others like floorp and zen, and while they are impressive I just didn't feel as comfortable in them and didn't use their new features enough to justify using them. Maybe it's just baby duck syndrome I dunno, but I'm sticking with the big gay blue wolf.

Firefox is at the moment the best option worth supporting >what about Librewolf or Mullvad's browser or Icecat, or etc.. any of those forks basically depend on Firefox and Mozilla to do the heavy development lifting so to speak. They're customization. That's fine, but you need to be invested in the success of Firefox for any of those others to have a real future. Firefox is the primary bastion against Google basically owning the web - and fucking off and going to histrionics to some fork AND THEN BITCHING ABOUT FIREFOX ITSELF for inane shit like easy to disable FOSS, transparent, telemetry, isn't going to help in the long run. This doesn't mean Mozilla or Firefox shouldn't be critiqued but shit realize what we're up against here. Ever since the Chrome/ium surge they're not just one major browser but basically have de facto control of the web standards and usage. The more Firefox users (no matter if they're using a fork or some kind or arkenfox or some custom shit of their own) the better to ensure that web dev isn't done only with interest in having Chrome/ium or Blink rendering tested.

>>18013 95% of firefox's ills are due to it's retarded management team. People would be more forgiving of it if it wasn't helmed by a bunch of smug faggots paying themselves millions from their "non profit" organization. Also firefox is largely funded by google. I'm not saying it's not the better option, but it's the lesser of two evils and I'm not gonna start sucking it off just because chrome is cancer.

>>18015 That intransigence only empowers Google/Chrome cancer, sadly. THere's a big difference between critiquing Firefox's development (and there are legitimate things to do there) vs giving Chrome et al a victory by getting upset about the Mozilla Foundation for unrelated stuff and allowing that to undermine Firefox use. Mozilla has always had a non-profit foundation and that's one of the reasons they're able to do Firefox's development as they were. Mozilla's nonprofit wing used to do a lot of good shit like backing up the EFF, going up against MAFIAA back in the day, fighting SOPA/PIPA etc.. Getting everyone salty over hatred for some exec's op-ed blog post or whatever (no matter how shitty it was) will only harm the FOSS projects under its aegis and give more power to Google and the others in the surveillance capitalism world. You can think its shitty the foundation did something (while understanding that the foundation is supposed to do shit besides just software development) without throwing the baby out with the bath water. >Funded by Google Sure, they get a certain amount of cash from shit like search engine default inclusion, but if we really want them to have independent funding then there needs to be an "acceptable" alternative. So far nearly any opportunity to monetize at all, even shit like partnering with Mullvad (debatedly one of the best major VPN providers from a privacy/security standpoint etc) or Relay, or easily disabled "sponsored" shit marked plainly, or trying to make less shitty (again optional) ad structures...all get the exact same about of REEEEEEEEEEE, then what they fuck are they going to go except get run over by FAGMAN level companies with huge profiteering wallets? However if people who are going to freak out about every little thing as though its a betrayal how are they supposed to fund this reliably so if Google (or someone else) stops paying them a lot of cash for search engine default install or whatever, they can still continue development properly?

>>17794 Well, I'm using it right now, so that makes at least two of us. :)

>>18013 Totally agree. >>18015 Also totally agree.

>>18070 I mean I agree too but >choose between poo and poo but it's everywhere It almost feels like controlled opposition at this point

Any browser that lets you use ublock / adnauseam is best.

>>18082 >It almost feels like controlled opposition at this point I mean, it is.

Browsers aren't that bad, they're generally pretty good. The problem is who controls them. Almost nobody complains that Linux is dominant for servers because it works well, and more importantly, is controlled by a variety of interests. If Chromium were taken over by a bunch of companies with varying interests, there wouldn't be as many concerns.

>>17817 Can confirm, happy Zen user

What is /t/'s opinion of Vivaldi?

librewolf uses 1GB less memory from source than vs binary how much more optimized is ungoogled-chromium compiled from source?

>>18108 Learn to archive. https://archive.ph/t6IxC

What is the most ram efficient browser? I only have 2gb of ram

>>18013 this is why i have firefox installed but honestly these days mozilla is so gay (not the good kind) that im not sure it even matters anymore. google won.

>>17794 You shouldn't be using it unless you're behind a VPN, ideally Mullvad or one that uses their servers. Otherwise there's no point if you want to avoid leaving your own unique fingerprint.

>>18353 Why? It has pretty good privacy on its own no?

>>17789 (OP) >Which one is the best, objectively? libre.

>>18355 Yes but the point is to be like the TOR browser, aka everybody is in a swarm and looks the same, but with VPN's.

>>18357 Yeah but why should I trust a public vpn service like mullvad? I am content with the level of privacy mullvad offers on its own, mostly

>>18289 new here. why archive?

What about android browsers

>>17789 (OP) Ever since I used Japan Firefox, I feel like there is no other choice. Is japan firefox perfect? No, it is not. What is japan firefox? It is firefox, without any of the anti-privacy stuff added in the last year. https://floorp.app/en https://www.fastcompany.com/91038756/why-floorp-has-become-browser-of-my-dreams I'm not trying to sell It, I just don't see lot of good options. As I said it is NOT perfect.

Should I give Zen browser or ungoogled chromium a try? Been using Firefox for quite some time now until recently when I made the switch to LibreWolf. LibreWolf seems quite slow in some places.

>>17789 (OP) I'm using firefox still. Kinda worried with how they are going, but can't find anything better. All the politics, gays and AI/tracking now. I got too used to the container tabs and nothing has them. Currently I just disabled every telemetry thing in about:config and hope for the best. Librewolf is ran by a lunatic according to a Lunduke video. Unsure if I can trust these one man projects with something as important as a web browser.

>>17789 (OP) I'm with firefox but opera works better, I'm really close to start maining it.

>>17789 (OP) Basically it's between chrome/ungoogled and firefox. Do you have shit hardware? Then run ungoogled-chromium it's basically shit in every possible way and lacks even basic features... it's also only getting shittier but objectively it is the best optimized browser for most websites and it will perform better than everything else by a lot as well. Every other "No THIS one is the best" is literally just a chrome fork with some bloat on top which if your hardware can handle said bloat, you should be using firefox. Why? Because it has more extensions, better built in features, near unlimited customization with custom css and way better adons. Plus it's open source and with the addition of one small user.js file can be insta debloated, de-Mozilla'd and de-telemetry'd. In terms of browser hardening firefox is king and it's not even close. It also has about:profiles where you can make custom compartmentalized installs for different reasons like a narsil FF, a i2p FF, a normie FF, a speed optimized FF, etc. Yes Mozilla is shit, yes they've burned everything to the ground, yes FF is probably NGMI, but given what we have, if your hardware can handle it's terrible optimization and bloated corpse, it's going to be objectively superior to everything else if you work for it and with enough overhead you won't even notice how truly unoptimized it is. Honorable mentions to qutebrowser, which is definitely a unique and solid broswer that can be used purely with a keyboard, genuinely impressive what they've done if only it had support for ublock I'd switch over.

>>18315 qutebrowser is the best feature/support to ram usage. Everything else you'll be sacrificing usability. provided you run a low to the ground system it will work on 95% of sites without any issues. Only problem will be ads in videos.

>>18580 We are getting to the same point with browsers as we have with phone operating systems. The choice is limited because if you want to get shit done you'll have to use one of the two, soon to be single option. Bank sites and the like might just flat out refuse anything that isn't Chrome (or Firefox for now). The same thing is holding back android forks. Now that Google is getting monopoly charges and Firefox is being murdered I truly have to wonder what the future holds. Sure open source will "live on", but realistically if Mozilla goes under, so does Firefox. What was that one project that was a "hard fork", not just custom configs and an Icon change like Librewolf and Waterfox? Palemoon if I recall correctly. It went the way of the dodo inevitably. Open source is not going to save us in this case. Apple users are the only ones who don't have to care as iOS is unaffected and they can just use Safari. A weird time ahead of us for sure.

>>17794 Muh fingerprint is a meme. Basically everyone has a unique fingerprint, that's the point of fingerprinting. The important thing is to make sure that your fingerprint can't be used to track your usage across time or domains. There's extensions you can use to randomize your fingerprint so it can't be tracked. You don't want to randomize it for every request because then you actually will stand out, but if you set it to be different for each site but persistent per site and change every 24 hours, your fingerprint can't be used to link your usage from one site to another or on one site from day to day.

>>18619 Thats a great idea actually anon, can you list the plugins for mullvad that do this?

I'm on Floorp and it's nice, but since I started browser hopping this year I've come to realize that don't think I want to be on an ESR based browser anymore purely for performance reasons. Hopefully v12 ships soon which switches to rapid release, if not I might actually sit down and spend time figuring out how to unschizo LibreWolf enough

>>18619 You have no idea what you're talking about. >>18620 >Thats a great idea actually anon It's a terrible idea. Actually read up on fingerprinting before you try random ignorant nonsense. >can you list the plugins for mullvad that do this? Doing that would get rid of the entire point of Mullvad Browser.

>>18383 Because if that page/site goes down, your link is useless.

>>18360 What are you even saying?

>>18637 Don't use this garbage. Mullvad Browser is better in every way. And if that's not for you, just use Firefox with Arkenfox's user.js.

>>18740 Do you care to post an argument for this opinion?

>>17789 (OP) I'm using firefox, mostly because it's my smartphone browser of choice. I know it won't be around for much longer since google will have to cut their funding. I'll probably move to the least retarded chromium based alternative.

>>18138 been using it for many years exclusively. It's great for me as it just works, has all the features I need and good synch across devices

>>18877 NTA but the answer is that you can't "randomize" your fingerprint. The browser fingerprint is a function of how pages are downloaded and rendered. If you actually wanted to randomize it, you'd get unreadable fonts with random screen resolutions. Also change your browser & OS randomly because network stacks are also fingerprintable. So you can only modify values that aren't hardcoded and do not affect rendering, which affects a very limited number of bits in your fingerprint. As soon as your adversary tries to fuzzy match on it you're fucked.

>>18877 See >>17824

>>17789 (OP) Chromium for shitppsting and Firefox for work stuff

>>17789 (OP) Safari + Ghostery. It does one thing and does it well. No recommended news articles, studies, cryptofaggot integration, third-party shit, or engine made by an ad company.

Has anyone tried Falkon? How does it compare with something like Ungoogled Chromium?