Server performance sucked, metadata leaked, and the "federation" ended up just becoming mainly centralized anyway. Also, the clients weren't featureful enough to convince people to use it over Discord. It might get new users now that people are actually considering alternatives, but most normies will probably be trying Revolt or Guilded first.

>>21061 (OP) Bloated and slow as fuck overall, it was telling that most couldn't even maintain porn dump channels for some year(s). I think it was an issue on the server side.

>>21082 > It might get new users now that people are actually considering alternatives, but most normies will probably be trying Revolt or Guilded first. Isn't that rational? It seems to me Revolt is still actually working better. Less fuss, more functions. I see it the same way for the fediverse instances which aren't even meant to be private for the most part. But the services more or less work for both the server admins and users in various ways. Even a casually run server probably does its thing for a fair number of users who can do their thing on it. I never felt like this is the case for matrix or its servers. Shit is broken a lot, the servers were bloated and often complex and so on.

>>21061 (OP) being made in israel

Does the Dendrite implementation of the Matrix protocol improve things at all? https://landchad.net/dendrite/

>>21117 My personal experience from after release: No. The current github is indicating it's still bad - many issues, few stars, few commits, development primarily ongoing on messy old synapse. I guess I don't actually know the current state of affairs firsthand tho. Not gonna try.

so if not matrix, what's the top E2EE alternative for group communication? revolt doesn't appear to have E2EE (yet).

>>21061 (OP) Matrix works fine for me. What were you expecting it to do that it doesn't? >>21176 SimpleX seems okay.

>>21176 i am guessing xmpp or threema/signal perhaps for the "average users" that are not selfhosting and at best have their organization host a server.

>>21193 >What were you expecting it to do that it doesn't? Stickers

>>21061 (OP) Same reason why Revolt got no traction - Discord already has the people who want this and you're not going to convince the frog posters to move o ver when their friends all use Discord.

>>21061 (OP) The Israeli intelligence agency's financial resources were depleted.

>>21061 (OP) It was mossad backed and required your phone number

>>21195 The fuck's a sticker? Just send a jpeg you double nigger.

>>21708 >The fuck's a sticker? Just send a jpeg you double nigger. That can be said to the users of Telegram and Discord.

>>21708 >jpeg I only send AVIF

It's buggy af. Recently you can't even clear the unread notification in all the rooms.

>>21176 xmpp omemo

>>22280 0 users

>>21061 (OP) IRC > Matrix

python. nuff said.

Element tried to be like Discord when Matrix is nothing like Discord. Pro tip; don't try to copy another UI unless your making a clone of their app.

Session is good and I believe it uses matrix as a backend?