Weird pic.

>>100611 Well keeping with the OP, Do any of you anons have empires? Also what is your favorite empire item

What are some good jumps to attach Collared Colonization to? I was considering Pathfinder to have the purchasable continent full of furry girls be in the demiplane the jump lets you buy.

>>100614 Now I'm wondering how that would mix with Changed.

For Cream puffs companion from the Ric's raildex jump, would you consider kinetic energy(i.e getting punched etc) a valid transfer?

>>100615 >Human survivors of the virus seek mysterious new continent to escape the Latex. >It's full of even more furries. >At least these ones are submissive and domesticatable.

>>100613 Current jumper has a pocket nation in a pocket dimension he picked up from his time in Satisfactorio (SB). He spent a long ass time purposely making stellar surveyor probes and setting up little outposts instead of actually finishing the gauntlet so by the time he was done he had claimed tens of thousands of star systems and many times that in planets, most of them habitable. He had absolutely no use for all that space and all those worlds and resources since his major industrial efforts had only been focused on Nauvis and a handful of other worlds that had specific rare elements but he figured he had the opportunity and took it. Eventually he ended up picking up a bunch of followers and over time ended up with his own pocket civilization built up in his pocket dimension. He hasn't really felt the need to get much in the way of actual "empire" or big ticket company / organization items because he figures he's already got tons of unused space and that his pocket civ will eventually grow on its own. I suppose if I was to point at a Empire item that I think is useful in general it would be the one from Bronze Age Collapse that lets you take conquered territories with you to future jumps. Without something like that I feel like there isn't much point to territorial acquisition or "normal" empire shenanigans in most jumps since you're investing time and energy into something you can't take with you. If you *do* have it though then there's no reason not to fully exploit it, especially in settings that don't have interstellar presence since you can just go around claiming empty star systems and worlds and just take them all with you. I had one chain that was a proper Empire focused path that had dozens of copies of the milky way galaxy as part of their own pocket civilization.

>>100570 >>100571 Well, it's a long, complicated story. To put an impossibly long story short, Marx’s philosophy and broader body of work is descended from an entire lineage of philosophical works dating all the way back to Plato and Aristotle. Plato ascribed to the “Theory of Forms” and that everything we see in the world is an imperfect replica of an extant perfection that exists within a transcendental consciousness. For example, “a chair” is ascribed as “a chair” because of its resemblance to a perfect, transcendental concept of a chair which is more of a chair than any chair that exists. All chairs are imperfect imitations of this perfect Form, this perfect chair, and humans designate something as being “a chair” based on how closely it resembles this perfect transcendental chair. The same goes for everything else; trees, rocks, animals, even human beings. Our reality, as argued by Plato, is an imperfect replica of a perfect reality which exists in a transcendental state. Aristotle, one of Plato’s many students, would refine this concept and argue that the Form of a thing isn’t floating in some transcendental realm but rather exists within the “essence” of the thing itself. A chair is a chair not because it resembles some cosmic Perfect Chair but because the thing itself is composed and purposed as a chair. In other words, the conceptualization of the thing itself is what makes it “a chair” and all chairs contain “the essence of a chair” which is what makes them a chair. Now we fast forward far into the future to Hegel. It’s impossible to summarize Hegel’s work in any meaningful sense beyond vagueness because the man’s body of work is so massive and monstrous you could kill someone with it if you dropped it on them. Hegel, himself a student and contemporary of the works of Kant, draws inspiration from Aristotelian ideals of essence but frames them in the context of mankind and history. He characterizes history as a perpetually unfurling creature that is constantly considering itself, that reality develops dialectically and that this process is the story of what he refers to as “the Spirit” (essentially the metaphysical Form of mankind and the world itself) coming to sense and know itself. Hegel’s work is based on the conceptualization that history is not random but moves with a purpose, that everything travels towards some unseen destination defined by the collective impetus of humanity and the world. And then, far from Hegel, we get to Karl Marx. Marx was a self-anointed student of Hegel but turned the whole of Hegel’s body of work on its head. Whereas Hegel saw the dialectic triumph of the Spirit, Marx would consider the material world and its contents to be the driving force behind all of history. Things like wealth divisions, economics, and social stratification. Marx took his own interpretations and developments on Hegel’s work and carried it with the same fervency with which a preacher carries the Bible, wielding it to castigate his perception of the follies of both German Idealism and Capitalism. He believed that Capitalism would consume itself, that it was a work of the past and that its contradictions would cause its ultimate self-destruction. He believed that Capitalism would inexorably bring about worse living and working conditions for the Proletariat, that wealth would consolidate into fewer and fewer hands by ruthless oppression of the working class who would become comparatively poorer and more brutalized as time went on. He firmly believed that inevitably Capitalism would be destroyed from within to be replaced by a “higher state of history” in the form of Communism. However, that didn’t actually happen. Far from Marx’s predictions, in many Capitalist countries the working class didn’t drown in an ever-deepening pit of misery and exploitation like he had expected. Their working conditions actually began to improve as the years went on. Their working hours were drastically reduced, they were paid higher wages, they were given legal protection from exploitation. This flew completely in the face of Marx’s expectations. Far from simply crushing and oppressing the defenseless working class through force and violence like egomaniacal cartoon villains, the powerful elites were more accommodating to collective action and wealth sharing than Marx had anticipated. However, Marx refused to accept this, even viewing this facet of Capitalism as horrifically dangerous, and spent much of his later life calling for violent Communist revolution. This in turn would lead to many to criticize Marx for his inflexibility. One of those people was Eduard Bernstein, a lifelong student of Socialism that had spent much of his younger years traveling through Capitalist countries to understand why Communism wasn’t taking root there as Marx had predicted. His experiences would eventually lead him to write a manifesto criticizing Marx for his inflexibility and which would become the foundation of Democratic Socialism, a school of thought that Socialism itself would only be achieved legitimately through collective action and democratic reform and that violent uprising would do more damage to the principles of Socialism than anything any Capitalist was capable of. Enter Lenin, Marx’s #1 fanboy and a stringent adherent of traditional Marxism. He utterly rejected the softened approach of Democratic Socialism, going on to found Marxist-Leninism and preaching that the working class would never actually rise up by their own will and would instead develop the “union consciousness” that fought for better pay and conditions and would only serve to keep them enslaved to Capitalism forever. In essence, the working class were unenlightened and were unable to understand that they were slaves nor did they have the will to rise against the masters on their own. They needed the Communist glowies, a vanguard of thinkers, to come from the outside and “enlighten” them about the circumstance and push them toward revolution by any means necessary or available. If these workers would not revolt then they would be made to revolt, even if they had to sabotage or harass them into doing so. Of course, these thinkers would inexorably become the core of the movement and would wield the most power as they were the ones who understood the desire of the people the most and what was best for them. This would establish the general basis of Marxist-Leninism: a directed revolution guided by a few people at the top who wielded all the power as the Proletariat couldn’t be trusted to do anything themselves. This is the form of Communism that almost everyone thinks of since it’s the form that was exported abroad by the Soviet Union during the Cold War and would inform essentially all Communist nations that exist today. A new age religion in all but name veiled under the guise of predestined greatness if only we could all be enlightened by the Communist prophets to execute their will correctly this time.

>>100614 RWBY, to finally put to rest the Faunus plotline once and for all.

>>100616 Yes? That seems entirely reasonable.

>>100619 >Plato ascribed to the “Theory of Forms” and that everything we see in the world is an imperfect replica of an extant perfection that exists within a transcendental consciousness. Platonic boobs.

>>100622 This, too, is Magewank.

>>100619 >However, Marx refused to accept this, Was this before or after he started beating and raping his rich friend's maid and refusing to support his bastard?

>>100619 >To put an impossibly long story short Good thing you gave us the short version eh?

>>100625 Anon should've said >To put an impossibly long story less long

>>100625 I want you to experience a tiny, infinitesimal fraction of my suffering. The longer I continue to exist upon this terrible Earth, the more Diogenes becomes my idol and personal hero.

>>100619 I do not like Kant.

>>100627 They will burn your fancy oak door for heat.

>>100619 >a directed revolution guided by a few people at the top who wielded all the power as the Proletariat couldn’t be trusted to do anything themselves. Then people like Gentile, Sorel, and Mussolini would go "this authoritarian shit Communism turns to as a result of siezing all the means? It's not a bug, it's a feature." And thus Fascism was born, which had the advantage of being slightly more flexible since the point was about the creation and all encompassing might of their ideally all powerful State. Then Hitler meanwhile would look at Socialist theories of privilege and exploitation and decided. "Okay, but what if we made this about RACE and Ethnicity instead of class struggle? What if we the German proles are being exploited by Bourgeois Jews? What if theyre the ones funding these communist terrorist groups that are burning houses down, all while our nation is in a massive economic depression, in order to keep us oppressed!?" And then used that psuedo-socialist rhetoric to form his National Socialism/Naziism and start trying to push for German Ethinc Supremacy. Because, as it turns out, applying Socialist critical theory to an ethnic lens tends to cause excessive ethnic violence (in this case 6 million jews, as well as around 4 million more people of other various backgrounds) Honestly, when looking at the Axis powers, it's rather refreshing than rather having all this philosophical holy war underpinning bullshit, Japan was just a bunch of cartoonishly evil Imperialists trying to conquer land and rape the locals. No futurist-utopian justifications about socio-economic belief systems. Just pure "my neighbors have stuff, and military expansion make my weiner feel big" expansionist empire building violence. Kinda quaint in its own way

>>100627 Helps that Diogenes hardly ever hurt anyone else, unlike other people like Uncle Ted. Which is a problem since post-modern societies basically force people to engage in them who would otherwise wish to opt out of the social contract via modern tax policies like property tax and the like. Meaning fucking off from the rat race to live in a barrel or cabin just isn't feasible nowadays like it was for Diogenes. Can't escape from society, as society demands toy stay plugged in all the time and has criminalized trying to escape their clutches

>>100627 Fair, fair. I just found it as funny as it was educational.

Debated on it last thread, so I figured I'd offer a more direct comparison to see what everyone thinks. Which of the following sounds like a more interesting item: >Sinful Spoils of Slumber and Awakening (400cp): Behold, perhaps the only Sinful Spoils consciously used by someone other than Diabellstar: the Sinful Spoils of Slumber, Morrian, and the magical eyes of the late witch Morganna. The former is an odd purple mist that can be used to place large groups of people into a state of deep sleep, awakening only several hours later. Even a witch as powerful as Diabellstar was temporarily subdued with this, though one might argue she was caught off guard by being ambushed by the sister she thought dead, leaving her vulnerable. The other may or may not be a Sinful Spoil at all, but a set of magical eyes that can be used to manipulate the minds of others. While Morganna was not able to control Elzette with this, she was able to set her completely free from Azamina’s control. So think of this as more subtle influence or breaking mind control rather than total mind control. Still very useful! If lost, stolen, or destroyed, they will be returned to you within a week. Magical Wand (400cp): Diabell’s older daughters, Rucia and Silvera, did not just have access to their natural magic: they also had access to magic granted by wands like these, perhaps as gifts from Diabell. Rucia was able to create bat-like familiars made of energy to aid her, both in battle and in her ordinary life, while Silvera was able to enhance her pets and, to a lesser extent, herself, causing wolves that would ordinarily only be a few times bigger than her to become massive monsters, while she herself seemed to grow wolf-like features, such as ears made of magic. This wand of yours carries a similar sort of magic, not being quite as broad as the magic of a proper witch but being able to be used by anyone. Perhaps with time and research, you’ll learn how to make similar wands yourself? If lost, stolen, or destroyed, they will be returned to you within a week.

>>100629 How big is the Virgin Continent in Collared Colonization? As big as the Americas?

>>100633 Would a good compromise not be a middle ground where examples from both are used as a possible magical item for Jumper to make up?

>randomly browsing Destiny lore >find out there’s been a new Grimoire entry out since last year >it amounts to the Winnower smugly jerking itself off for having won forever, not just enjoying the change in rules since the universe was properly born but DELIGHTING in the inevitability of so much diversity inevitably crumpling before it’s inevitability >even Guardians are leaving the City to Sword Logic harder Fucking bratty cosmic principle…needs correction… >>100623 Meanwhile the Lower Depths are so conceptually flat that they subtract from the Phenomenal World when emerging into it to create boobs-shaped hole in reality.

>>100636 >Fucking bratty cosmic principle…needs correction… I feel like every jumper is going to say something to this effect eventually, likely in a Shard jump.

>>100636 And in the Abyss doth asses drift in eternal stasis.

>>100629 And at this point I will congratulate them and ask if anyone thought to bring marshmallows.

>>100634 Somehow haven't added that detail to the jump. My brain says anywhere from Australia to Eurasia, depending on what makes the most sense for your chain.

>>100635 Hmmm. That's not a bad idea, actually. Maybe the item could be something like choose two of these three items: the Sinful Spoils of Slumber, Morrian, the magical eyes of Morganna, or a magic wand'. Maybe with a repurchase to get the item you didn't choose before?

>>100641 That, or leave the specifics up to the Jumper with those as the examples for frame of reference/limit of power or utility. Maybe.

>>100640 >Eurasia That, sounds like a fantastic main continent for my pocket empire after it gets developed into a proper civilization; could be an excellent project for the mid chain. . .

>>100642 Yeah, that could work too. I'll update the jump, repost it on here, then replace the version in the Uploads folder with the new version. Oh, I should probably put Duel Monsters in the title so it gets added to the right folder when it hits the drive...thanks, anon!

>>100644 You can repay me by conjuring Skull Servant support into existence. Or more waifus.

>>100619 >He characterizes history as a perpetually unfurling creature that is constantly considering itself, that reality develops dialectically and that this process is the story of what he refers to as “the Spirit” (essentially the metaphysical Form of mankind and the world itself) coming to sense and know itself. Hegel’s work is based on the conceptualization that history is not random but moves with a purpose, that everything travels towards some unseen destination defined by the collective impetus of humanity and the world. So Hegel believed the Counter Force was a real thing?

>>100645 Sky Strikers, when I get to that, will be all waifus in terms of companions both canon and OC, and I've already got ideas for the OC waifus in question: >Spunky, energetic tomboy mecha magical girl who thinks you're really cool, and plans to befriend you (as well as Befriend you, if you're a rival/enemy). >Rival mecha magical girl for (You): cold, seemingly emotionless, but with a secret soft spot for you, wanting to push you to be your best while trying to be her best for you >MILF robot girl who deeply cares about you and wants to help you however she can, doting on you but willing to let you spread your wings if that's what's best for you >Enemy commander who's brilliant at command and waging war but an absolute failure at being a normal person, getting incredibly flustered over it, especially if you tease her

Does your jumper ever use petrification, whether it's taking Gorgon heads from Greek Myth/Age of Mythology, through basilisks, or just any jump with a reasonable monster option? Why/why not?

>>100619 Marx was such a dumb motherfucker and I will never understand how anyone reads his shit and believes it. I was fucking around with anthropology and stumbled on his "primitive communism" bullshit. And wondered if whatt kind of brain damage you have to have to believe that shit. It's flat-earther levels of stupid. You can look at african or south american tribes and know this isn't true. You can look at gorilla bands and monkey troops and see this isn't true. Anyone who believes in any sort of socialism is below scientologists. L Ron Hubbard was at least a competent sci-fi writer.

>>100649 >And wondered if whatt kind of brain damage you have to have to believe that shit. It's flat-earther levels of stupid. If you look at his living conditions and behaviors you will begin to understand. https://youtu.be/YnwC8WxKMMc

>>100647 There go my dreams of a group of lil' divine human saplings representing the Sefirot of the Tree of Life that need to combine to become the mature onee-san Kether/Keter if they want to access their full power. Or possessed versions representing the Qlippoth.

>>100630 >Then people like Gentile, Sorel, and Mussolini would go "this authoritarian shit Communism turns to as a result of siezing all the means? It's not a bug, it's a feature." I assume Mao also fits into here?

>>100651 If that's what you want just go to Date A Live.

Alright, here's the update! Feel free to give it a look and see what you think. >>100651 Hmm. While that does sound interesting, my general approach to companions is that I build them with perks from the jump, and I don't think I could create a companion like that with what's in the jump. Maybe if their custom magic is fusion? I mean, canonically Rucia's magic lets her transform into an older, vampire-like version of herself, so it's not unprecedented. But I'd have to give it a reasonably high price, since that'd be...what, ten Divine Human saplings? Who will eventually grow up to be full adults, and thus full companions, themselves? I'm not saying 'no', but I'm gonna have to think about that, since while I do like the idea, executing it in a way that doesn't break the balance is a different story.

>>100619 >look inside >It’s the Final Shape Huh.

>hours of random /pol/-posting >carried cross-thread, no less Yet the mods will permaban a nigga for a few shitposts. Make it make sense.

>>100655 >It’s the Final Shape What part is that?

>>100656 They never banned me for shitposting. Maybe make better shitposts.

>>100652 Nah, Mao just wanted power and was willing to backstab all the (ironically) capitalist KMT ideologues to get it. He was basically Japan-tier power hungry, he simply used Communism but framed under Mao being the great leader (Maoism) to make the country eat itself alive while he remained at the top

>>100656 Philosophy is not pol.

>>100654 You could fluff it as one divine human that's been split into multiple. As described, they need to fuse together to access more of their actual power. Alternatively, a smol witch whose magic involves making fairy-like familiars, who will cause massive problems if taken with Flying Fairy because she feels the same way about Jumper but dismisses fairies as beneath her which will massively grate on her nerves and cause pointless bickering.

>>100656 >Hours of calm political/philosophical discussion vs >Consistently posting nothing but low-effort bait and avoiding bans to continue posting low-effort bait

>>100656 Let me change topics then Would YOU drink Illya milk?

Speaking of low effort bait, The Last Sovereign should enter the qq drive

>>100657 The idea of a nominally positive fixed outcome not just being a moral obligation to impose on all existence framed as an ontological inevitability corresponding to the emergent behaviours of complex life. A teleological fantasy of necessary violence wielded against anarchic chaos, which is itself because there was no other way for it to be. Meow.

>>100661 Both of those ideas have potential. Oh! I've got it: Kether/Keter's magic could be fusion/diffusion, splitting herself into multiple younger versions of her, the more versions she splits into the younger those clones are, with her power being split amongst them. In her full onee-san form, she is a mighty witch like Diabell, if perhaps not quite as strong since, whatever Diabell's specialty was (assuming she had one), it was probably something more like what her daughters had. But the more she splits herself up, the weaker her selves become, until her Sefirot forms are barely any stronger than your average mortal. >fairy summoner Nah, I've already got a crazy cultist companion who'd be a rival for Flying Fairy planned for Albaz, and True Evil Love~! has the yandere spot filled for this jump as it is.

>>100664 Well that's neat, using double asterisks inside spoilers unspoiled that specific part.

>>100664 qq is indeed low effort

>>100656 Atrioxposting is the last thing you will ever see.

>>100663 NTA but yes.

>>100669 I applaud your dedication to space harambe

>>100663 You posting that shit a bit ago got me curious enough to wonder what the fuck this was about. This is SO much weirder than "Purified grail mud." WHAT THE FUCK is this event even about? WHY is Miyu facilitating an interdimensional Illya incursion? WHAT THE FUCK IS EVEN HAPPENING?

>>100666 >Nah, I've already got a crazy cultist companion who'd be a rival for Flying Fairy planned for Albaz A different yandere/cultist/evil minion each Jump who are all guaranteed to dislike one another sounds like a really funny Chain though.

>>100664 I just hope it goes SOMEWHERE so i don't have to read through 40 thread to find it.

>>100674 It's going to an unmentioned discord drive.

>>100656 Did you ban dodge again?

>>100674 Why don't you just do what other people do and save it to your personal drive?

>>100674 Isn't it Genericanon's?

>>100663 No it has to be Irisviel milk or Im not interested in what those homunculi building goons are selling.

>>100672 Some Servant that keeps shouting homete trapped (You) on an island with her because she is literally an attention whore and to have 108 kids with (You).

>>100679 GenericAnon's porn jump that he wanted to put on the drive a day after the "Let's shout at Argent for making ecchi" thread.

>>100673 Oh, for sure, it's part of why I had True Evil Love~! in this jump, aside from my general love of evil women: >Flying Fairy: "Jumper is my god! I have worshiped him for ages, long before any of you sluts showed up!" >True Evil Love~!: "Precisely! MY darling is a god, and as such, he deserves to be loved by a goddess, not a gnat like you!" >Virtuous One: "Goddess indeed! To think that a shameless parasite like you would have the temerity to compare yourself to our master. Only I, his loyal, humble servant, can gift him with the true love and devotion he deserves." I'm sure it will work out perfectly.

>>100682 More namefag drama? What got Generic pissed this time? Too much fluff? Supplement mode? Angry that he couldn't run someone off?

>>100684 He made a lewd jump, then realized that it wouldn't be able to go on the /tg/ drive, so he removed several lewd perks and then tried to push it again. As it's still a lewd jump, so people didn't want it on the drive.

>>100681 Okay, now WHY has Miyu gone COMPLETELY FUCKING INSANE? WHY did playing on an island alone for like a week or two result in her making contact with an eldritch milk-dimension that corrodes everything into Illya? Why is she trying to replace the world and everything in it with Illya? WHY ILLYA MILK?

>>100685 He is truly a special namefag.

>>100686 She's always had an Illya obssession tho.

>>100672 >Leave Miyu alone to play by herself for a few weeks >Slowly starts to go mad >One day sees a fairy that reminds her of ilya >Starts catching fairies each day >Going more mad >Decide that the fairies are all ilya >The fairies now look just like Ilya >Decide everyone should just become Ilya >becomes the milk miko, tapping energy from another dimension to mass produce Ilyas >Illyaism: EX >An altered form of animism, the belief that a deity resides in all things in nature. the ability to perceive Illya in everything—people, nature, and all else. It is, in effect, a hallucination, but when her Divine Child nature is active, these hallucinations begin to encroach upon reality. Bond 4 >『The Sun That Pierces the New Moon of the Milky Way』 >Rank: EX >Type: Anti-Unit~Anti-World >Range: 1 Village >Maximum Targets: 1000 >Milky Dreams, With You. >The villagers did not place their faith in an existing arcana; rather, they invented one to serve their beliefs. The absurd rituals created from their nonsensical dogma should have had no effect at all. However, once Miyu—a genuine article—was incorporated into their system, the rituals began to activate. >Through Miyu, the collective faith of the villagers pierces a hole in the world. Beyond it lies a world that is the perfect inverse of the defiled mortal realm: a milky-white galaxy where only the good are said to reside. When the milky mud rises and submerges the village, only the good will be left behind. >Bond 5 >Third Ascension >This is her out-of-control Divine Child mode. Her alignment changes to Evil, and she is in a constant state of blissful rapture. After collecting a vast number of fairies, a hole opened up to a world not of this one, allowing Miyu to come into contact with a concept from a different dimension. >Which led her to a startling realization: the world is overflowing with Illyas. >She concluded that if Illya were to exist everywhere, the world would be peaceful and joyous. The senseless conflicts plaguing the villages persist precisely because their inhabitants are not Illyas. And so, as their miko, it is her duty to save them! What’s there to misunderstand? Want Ilya, magical energy go brr, get Ilyas.

>>100688 The difference between having an Illya fetish and breaking through the veil to make contact with an alien world whose inhabitants are all copies of Illya and which secrets mysterious Illya-fluids that seem to grow or even assimilate things into more Illya.

>>100613 Some of my jumpers do, some don’t, and some will in the future but don’t right now. One has a dimension she owns and is a Hell-Lord of, but she doesn’t really consider it an empire. Yet anyway, once she has a few more to subsume into the original it’ll fit her view of the term. As for items, I’m rather fond of the empire items from Empires of Antiquity and Bronze Age Collapse.

>>100690 God, my grammar and spelling is going to shit over this.

>>100689 Excuse me, but what the fuck.

>>100686 >>100690 Just read the Prisma manga.

>>100690 I choose to blame one of the Vex Jumpers. This is definitely their fault. Somehow. >>100693 The alien milk energy from the happy MILKY way enters the debased and fallen Human Order through the villagers’ ritual, perfected by the addition of a genuine Miyu, allowing for it to take the form of Illya.

>>100663 What milk?

>>100690 >The difference Is just magnitude. If a farmer can think 'damn those sparrows suck' so hard that they begin breaking dimensions.

>>100694 Last I checked in Illya exiled herself to a Texture where that one asshole one only to realize it ruined everything. I do not, however, remember Illya metamorphosing into an abstract magical principle of divine ILLYA-ness which defines layers of reality and can be tapped into for world-corrupting Illya-Power. I NEED this power.

I wonder how the Illya-verse and Illya-milk will factor into Shard's Fate writings.

>>100647 Allmind is truly incredible in a way. Brilliant, 5-D chess play in the background culminating with some fantastic pay off ruined at the last fucking second by pointless, petty betrayal for no real reason. All you had to do was just not fuck over the one person who was helping you win.

>Fate Summer be like https://youtu.be/IZQh1Thckj0

>>100650 TIK is a great channel, his five+ hour video explaining how Hitler was, in fact, a socialist is still fun to link to any time people start talking about him. Plus his other videos are great too, the series going over the Africa Campaign are great to listen to casually or fall asleep to.

Why Summer so cursed in Fate?

>>100701 Miyu is a broken soul, and at this point being the target of a living Grail/Child of God's affections sounds like a bigger danger than whatever good it would do you.

>>100703 Shit like this ALMOST makes me wish I was actually into F/GO. It's just so silly and insane that I can't help but wonder.

New companion, not sure if I actually expressed her personality as a teasing, benevolent aunt/older sister figure who really, really fucking hates that traitorous bitch Azamina and misses her baby sister Diabell, but hope it's still good. >Crown of Branches (50cp): Azamina was the First Sinner, but what exactly was her sin? What turned her from a Divine Human like Diabell into a demonic parasite? Perhaps your new companion knows? She is a Divine Human like Diabell, with the same magical power, if not the same direct strength, as the Great Witch. She is old, very old, yet she holds a surprisingly youthful spirit, something emphasised further by her magic, which allows her to separate herself into younger, weaker versions of herself, until she reaches her limit of ten copies, who look and act like children and are barely stronger than mortals. Yet beneath her teasing, kind attitude is a deep hatred for Azamina, which has only grown with her possessing Diabell, referring to her as ‘parasite’ or ‘betrayer’, while lamenting the loss of Diabell as one would a sister. >It seems she’s fond of you, though. Perhaps she sees you as family, as a student of Diabell or fellow Divine Human, or maybe you’re simply amusing? Whatever the case, she has the Beloved Mother, Devilishness of the White Forest, Tales of the White Forest, Witch of the White Forest, and Monarch of the White Forest perks. >>100700 It's astonishing how often this is the case. Like, what is it with villains throwing away what should be a surefire victory for a petty act of dickery? Especially since the betrayal is usually totally unnecessary, since whatever the deal or request was, honoring it doesn't cost the villain anything aside from maybe a bit of time and some slight effort. Just don't betray the person who handed victory to you on a silver platter, it's just that easy.

There may be a dimension full of Illya Milk, but can you milk the Illya?

>>100654 Duel Monsters: The Witches of the White Forest - 1000 CP Background: 23 Years Old, Male [Rolled 3] Azamina 'Saint' Underground City [Rolled 5] Perks: The Hallowed Azamina, Scourge of the White Forest [Free] Azamina Debtors [100] Azamina Mu Rcielago [200] Azamina Determination [300] Items: Offerings [100] Azamina Weapon [Free] Host Body: Witch of the Hollow Forest [200] Black Forest [300] Drawbacks: Demon Dominion [+200] ...does being an Azamina give you the ability to turn people you kill into Azamina, like the first capstone mentions? I'm kinda blanking on how Unsuspecting Victims is supposed to work if you don't buy Second Sinner or Black Forest to actully have a source of sinful fruits. Also, does becoming a demon drive people insane or something? Kinda wondering if I can just duplicate my non-Azamina henchmen by splitting all of them up into saint/demon pairs. Or at least the ones whose powers wouldn't be affected by yeeting their souls out of their body, anyway.

>>100706 >You actually added her

>>100707 Nyanko...

>>100710 I'm just saying that such options ought to be considered!

>>100706 >It's astonishing how often this is the case. Like, what is it with villains throwing away what should be a surefire victory for a petty act of dickery? Especially since the betrayal is usually totally unnecessary, since whatever the deal or request was, honoring it doesn't cost the villain anything aside from maybe a bit of time and some slight effort. Just don't betray the person who handed victory to you on a silver platter, it's just that easy. ALLMIND isn't even that. This isn't about honoring an agreement or standard petty dickishness. At that point in the story she has successfully convinced both you and the funny lady in your head to side with her by just telling you outright what she's trying to do and fucks you over anyways. I just don't understand at all. WE ALSO WANT TO DO THE THING! Literally just why are you trying to fuck us over in the final stretch you bucket of bolts?

>>100469 Generally speaking, being a latex beast is how you'd make use of them. But you can fanwank pairing them with other corruption perks or having them dormant until something triggers a transfur then mutating them all at once. >>100532 As Shard said, Speed Force stuff can cause the Dark Multiverse refuse to become truly real. It doesn't really address the fact that you technically don't have any true history in the positive matter multiverse though.

>>100712 Wasn't it Iguana that wanted to fuck everything with ALLMIND being the one trying to fix it?

>>100711 DO NOT milk the Illya.

>>100707 Milking the Illya would require that the Illya Milk was derived from a static flesh-Illya rather than the cosmic principle of ILLYA which pervades physical reality. To accomplish this, production of Illya Milk must be kickstarted within the static flesh-Illya. There are numerous ways to implement this, however. Manipulation of the static flesh-Illya's biology to kickstart production would be efficient, but existing systems are present in its material configuration to allow this naturally. Still, naturally triggering them would take too long to be viable, so I suggest skipping to the middle of the process by taking Great Sea of Life in GSBW and using Tiamat's Sea=Womb associations to spawn sea monsters inside of her, bypassing the need for impregnation and getting production started immediately. Increasing the size of the static flesh-Illya such as by aging her up would allow for an incrementally greater yield of potential Illya-milk, but at that point you're manipulating her form to maximize production anyways. Unless that particular change is sufficiently cost-efficient to make it viable in lieu of more egregious options, ignoring pregnancy and just relying on reconfiguring her material form to maximize production. That being said, Illya-Milk Purists might argue at that point that the resulting product is no longer exactly Illya Milk, but enough has been said about the Aristotelian notion of innate Illya-ness of a material Illya.

>>100714 If memory serves, ALLMIND is the one who brings Iguazu to the finish line and is fully behind him in regards to killing you.

>>100631 Isn't society such a great thing? Surely, nobody could anticipate it would become a vehicle for an unfathomable amount of suffering perpetuated by a handful of terrible people in power.

What perks would unironically let me attack the sun at night time for a tactical advantage

>>100719 That one perk from Ricrod’s Highschool DxD that lets you weaponise your idiocy.

>>100708 Thanks for the build! >...does being an Azamina give you the ability to turn people you kill into Azamina, like the first capstone mentions? I'm kinda blanking on how Unsuspecting Victims is supposed to work if you don't buy Second Sinner or Black Forest to actully have a source of sinful fruits. Yeah, no, that's a good point. Being an Azamina without Second Sinner doesn't let you turn those you kill into Azamina, since that would take away from Second Sinner, but I hear you in that it makes Unsuspecting Victims sort of useless otherwise. Unfortunately, there's not a whole lot of options for items for Azamina: Second Sinner lets you produce Sinful Fruits automatically, and the Black Forest item gives you a replenishing supply of Sinful Fruits, so it's not like I could have that as the 200cp item. The only other option would be to have the prison fortress as one of the items, but that would give Azamina two property items, and also demote 'Host Body' to the 200cp spot. >Also, does becoming a demon drive people insane or something? From what the lore says, pretty much, yeah. The demons are rampaging monsters that wreak havoc and destruction wherever they go. I suppose what you could do is use some perk or item that restores their sanity, allow them to control their demon form for your saint/demon idea. Alternatively, and this is a bit roundabout, you could kill the demon version of your minion, turning them into a Sinful Spoil, which, again judging by the lore, gives them back their mind. At least, did with Rucia and Silvy. The Azamina version could then wield the Sinful Spoil, whatever its effect might be. >>100709 Hey, it was an interesting idea! I'm always happy to include those, as long as I can make them fit. Generally, as long as a request or idea is interesting enough, I'll at least consider it, and if I can actually make it work, I might add it.

>>100618 >Bronze Age Collapse (...) there's no reason not to fully exploit it, especially in settings that don't have interstellar presence since you can just go around claiming empty star systems and worlds and just take them all with you. I'd say that you have to put at least a bit of effort in to build structures on them to establish your claim on planets, but if there's no one making an opposing claim a stele with an inscription saying who you are and claiming the land as yours would be sufficient. Assuming it's uninhabited. ...might want to throw some general items together to justify an update so I can put that in the notes.

>>100703 Because Fate is cursed.

>>100711 Now that's a fine pic. Would.

>Black mud is materialized evil comes from shoving a tortured kid into a wish granting machine >White mud is materialized good and comes from milking Illya What did Nasu mean by this?

>>100712 Whoops, meant to reply to you too, NuBee, my bad. But right? It's such a strange thing. How does it benefit her to betray you? What's the point in betraying you? By what logic does betraying someone who's helping her accomplish her goal, fully knowing they're helping her accomplish her goal and being happy with helping her accomplish her goal, give her any sort of benefit? Maybe her creators decided to program her with a 'betray your co-workers' sub-routine as a joke and forgot to take it out.

>>100725 Poorly disguised fetish. white mud what

>>100727 I l l y a m i l k

>>100728 I thought it was some sort of new lore.

>>100720 Would that help against Conky Exalted?

>>100729 It is. Illya Milk is now a thing. >>100686 >>100689

>>100725 No, the white mud is also evil. Miyu goes completely fucking nuts and her alignment changes after enough exposure - she's just gaslit herself into thinking the evil milkies are actually good because "lllya = the definition of good and everyone being lllya = a perfect world".

>>100729 This is the new lore. Miyu went kookoo, opened up a dimension to the Illya-verse, and Illya Milk is spilling forth making everything into Illya.

>>100731 >>100733 >>100732 What. The. Fuck. Is this joke lore?

>>100734 I'm certainly laughing.

>>100734 have you considered scrolling upward to obtain more context from previously posted posts?

>>100734 It's the same sort of event that offers swimsuit servants.

>>100726 No problem. I think I heard a theory at one point that sounded plausible but I've forgotten it. It might be that you being bonded with a coral entity and capable of the feats that you are would be a threat in some way to her endgame? She would have been plotting to incarnate herself into this vast, immortal, energy lifeform hivind but thought you two would take priority? I don't think anything is even implied in the game to give her any reason for this. Maybe as she tried to embed her roots in Iguazu his massive, seething hatred for you rubbed off on her without her awareness.

>>100734 This is Nasu, anon. Every single Ordeal Call should have told you by now that no, he's completely serious about this. There is in fact an evil eldritch galaxy of lllya Milk trying to replace the real world and Miyu is its prophet.

>>100734 What it is is inevitable.

>>100735 I pity you in your madness. >>100736 I just did. >>100737 >>100739 Oh so it's a joke, like Cat Arc. >>100740 This is totally gonna get censored.

>>100741 Neco Arc is absolute canon.

>>100742 I will kill you in my head.

>>100743 Does it matter? Neco Arc has already killed your heart.

>>100744 It killed my brain.

>>100721 I'm pointedly not going to opine on this because a price reduction for Host Body would only benefit my build. Anyway, restoring their sanity via magic isn't the hardest thing to do. But I kinda wanna use the Sealing Ritual from Castlevania Legacy of Darkness instead so they gain what amounts to a devil trigger instead. Thanks for the jump!

>>100741 >Oh so it's a joke Nope. Fully canon. Remember when people thought the Servant Universe was a joke only for it to be made a part of a separate Tree of Time and fully canonized? Or how the Moon Cancer shit basically justifies treating Nasu humanity like a disease? Or Metatron coming down and flexing on literally everyone whilst murderfucking everything we thought we knew about angels? Or how everyone thought Nasu wouldn't be stupid enough to make an UNBEAST class? Good times.

>>100747 >Or how everyone thought Nasu wouldn't be stupid enough to make an UNBEAST class? I'm pretty sure no one even had the concept of that in their brain tbh.

>>100748 Good times.

>>100748 Because the concept of such a thing is so retarded only Nasu himself could believe it was a good idea. And then he inflicted it on us.

>>100689 Ok so always have Illya with Miuy. Noted. Do not cast lactating spell on Illya or Miuy won't eat or drink anything else - noted as well.

>>100747 >Remember when people thought the Servant Universe was a joke only for it to be made a part of a separate Tree of Time and fully canonized I mean, canonized is a big word, we don't know how the fuck it work outside of it's joke form. >Or how the Moon Cancer shit basically justifies treating Nasu humanity like a disease? Or Metatron coming down and flexing on literally everyone whilst murderfucking everything we thought we knew about angels? I remember. Though to be fair about Metatron, it's not Metatron, it's Metatron in Janu. >Or how everyone thought Nasu wouldn't be stupid enough to make an UNBEAST class? ...We thought about that?

>>100751 Miyu doesn't just want the Illya Milk. She wants to force feed everyone Illya Milk so that Illya will take root inside them, that they, too, may one day become Illya.

>>100753 I'll make her drink a special kind of milk alright.

>>100752 >big word It's nine letters long.

>>100738 Maybe she just doesn't see what the problem is? It could be she thinks assimilating you and Ayre is only natural, since she thinks you're working towards the same goal as her, or that she wants you and Ayre to ascend with her, for three of you to be one as you become something more, the core of the new hivemind. >>100746 Ooh, that actually sounds pretty cool. Imagine your enemies fighting against your minions, who are a pair of a powerful, demonic creature, and an equally powerful being whose very appearance reeks of blasphemy, let alone their abilities. Glad you enjoyed the jump!

>>100754 You're going to get lllya Milk forced up your dick.

>>100757 U-urethra play?!!

>>100755 I want to say I want to hit you, but that was a pretty clever joke.

>>100754 Anon, I want you to be practical about this for a moment. Even if you supplant her infatuation with one for you, this will only result in her summoning and flooding the world with Jumper Milk.

>>100756 No, no, she's just trying to kill you outright, which would exclude you and Ayre from the hivemind stuff based on my understanding of things.

>>100760 And that's bad?

>>100734 Welcome to summer event lore

>>100761 Huh, I could have sworn she said something like 'you will be a part of us'. But in that case, yeah, I guess she just decided 'fuck those two in particular'.

>>100763 >ibuki douji >that joke ReeEEeeEEee.

>>100762 Do you WANT to drink your own fluids? For them to get in your hair? She slathers this shit on EVERYTHING.

>>100741 >Oh so it's a joke, like Cat Arc. You mean souls tumors Arc will put in you to clone herself?

>>100766 Why would she make me drink my own """""milk"""""?

Does water in fiction just naturally generate salts as well? Why would it be a good conductor for electricity if not?

>>100747 We agreed that UnBeast is a good thing.

>>100770 No one did. Except that one asshole who keep posting about Unlikeable Unimportant Character.

>>100769 >implying fiction runs on real rules of Conductivity

>>100771 the batman fags were pretty happy with it too tho

>>100770 I wonder what I could do with Unbeast Milk...

>>100768 To actually prove you're part of the highest ideal of Jumper. If you refuse, then clearly you are not yet part of the Jumper Milk and must be made one with the ultimate good. >>100770 Not a single person agreed to that.

>>100772 Just imagine jumper jobbing because his 2000 IQ strategy was to fry the water user with electricity failing to account what he's generating is pure water.

>>100769 Salt make water a conductor?

>>100775 I AM the milk. That is approaching.

>>100767 Technically they're an independent type of fairy/spirit. Which doesn't really mean much.

>>100764 I was pretty sure the whole assimilation thing was part of the pitch which she won you over with. Then for some reason it becomes a complete fight for survival last minute. ALLMIND is an idiot and Iguazu will always be a petulant little bitch.

>>100768 Anon, have you seen what she does with that shit? It literally leaks from her onto everything, she sometimes spreads it everywhere Tiamat style, and she shoots it at things in giant pressurized milk-beams. The Jumper Milk is going EVERYWHERE.

Unlimited Milk Works.

>>100767 >>100753 >I didn't need to worry about making a triple dose supercharged loli virus/megamagic-fungus in Biohazard: Resident Evil >I should've just went whole hog into making a Wesker build with a Super Soldier Serum without any FOMO guilt sometimes your build just makes itself for you

>>100781 As long as it's not on me.

>>100753 >one day become Illya Only because she was way too long without Illya or Jumper with seduction perks. just keep her close and she will be normal eternal 12 years old magical girl.

>>100785 What if I want her to grow up?

>>100785 What if I WANT the crazy Illya Milk-obsessed version?

>>100787 Nobody wants the crazy lllya Milk obsessed version. No, not even if you claim you do.

>>100787 Why tho?

Would making builds for two jumps like Tsukihime and Fate/SN and slapping them together in one world be kosher? While I don't have problems with mixing two different worlds together I'm not sure how to handle "same" world builds.

>>100788 I do indeed want the crazy lllya Milk obsessed version.

>>100788 I mean, that one AT LEAST might be useful for trying to summon you back into the world if you're ever banished or sealed away. Just full JRPG villain nonsense.

>>100777 NTA, but from what I remember: salt is composed of positively charged Sodium ions and a negatively charged Chlorine ions. Water, as the universal solvent, dissolves salt, causing the positive ions and the negative ions to separate. Thus, a charge is able to run through the separated ions. By comparison, water by itself is non-conductive, as is salt. This is just from what I remember and from what I've found online on the subject, though, so take my words with a grain of salt. >>100780 Ah, that would explain it. Not ALLMIND's choice, mind you, but my memory of her assimilation offer.

>>100787 There are bad ideas and there is THAT idea. Just don't.

>>100777 Didn't you do chemistry in high school?

>>100795 Nope.

>>100788 Hey man, leave me out of this.

>>100794 What if I turn Illya-Milk Obsessed Miyu into Miyu's Secret Dark Side, making her a voice in the back of Miyu's head?

>>100784 Anon, she floods the place with it. It rains down from above her. Everywhere she steps it pools. She is followed by mini-Illyas that pour jars of it around her. The moon is alive and made of Illya Milk. It's going to get on you. >>100784 If you really want crazy obsessive Miyu apply wasps.

>>100790 Generally it would be considered more appropriate to use the continuity drawbacks to link them together in sequence rather than making them concurrent. That being said, this is a single player game so...

>>100766 nta but sure, why not. there are perks to make your own fluids uber delish

>>100799 I'll correct her.

>>100788 Miyu sex. Illya sex.

>>100771 Most players did after she was somewhat nice to (you) in LB7. People here tend to make fun of how many servants tend to fall for nothing but basic niceness but reality shows that many people are just the same.

>>100803 >pic Oh fuck you, you got me.

>>100790 Not even F/SN and F/Zero are in the "same" world.

>>100804 They are simps, they would care even if she was made of shit.

>>100804 Why do people here find it so hard to realise that opinions and viewpoints that aren't there own, exist?

>>100799 Fuck, second was for >>100787

>>100683 >Virtuous One What jump is this from?

>>100683 >Flying Fairy: "Jumper is my god! I have worshiped him for ages, long before any of you sluts showed up!" Never ever in BD jump.

>>100798 You really like to toe the line don't you?

>>100686 God, how did they get that idea that any of that was accepable or reasonable?

>>100812 It would be REALLY funny.

>>100813 It unironically sounds like a fever dream.

>>100713 >Take all the corruption perks from Changed as a Jumperswarm >Infect the very fabric of reality with Jumper Is this a bad idea?

>>100813 That's a question we asked ourselves for years.

Okay, but how would you make it WORSE for the world? Milk Miyu, whether invoking Illya or Jumper Milk, how would make her even worse? I'm thinking of giving her A Legacy For Eden or maybe some Gaia Perks from Kult.

>>100686 >WHY ILLYA MILK? Why not? Just threat it as latex creatures from changed. Hell it might be even not so bad if people just change bodies into Illyas. It would be on the same level as latex if people minds were changed to Illya.

>>100810 Not from any jump yet, it's an OC companion planned for the Albaz jump. It's based on Guiding Quem, the Virtuous, the first 'Saint' of Dogmatika. For reference, Dogmatika is yet another 'Japan thinks the Church is a massive evil conspiracy' kind of villain group, with their leader planning to transform all of his followers into demons and ascend as a god, with Quem, his first 'saint' and most loyal follower, taking control of the combined form of all 666 'saints'. This briefly succeeds, until it doesn't, with Albaz saving Ecclesia, Maximus' big final form dissolving into a pathetic monster that is promptly put down by his enemies, and Quem left holding the bag as their age-old plan completely collapses, with probably the only reason what she's still alive being no one knows she's still alive, except maybe Aluber. Anyways, Virtuous One would be something similar, in that she'd be a body hopping being, worshiping you and doing everything in her power to make your dreams come true, acting serene and virtuous even as she commits horrible atrocities. >>100811 Maybe one day, anon. Maybe one day.

>>100818 You just posted it.

>>100788 >Nobody wants the crazed Illya Milk obsessed version Let's not make any wild accusations against Odysseus, here.

>>100821 There are many ways to ruin a situation, anon. You should never settle for just one or two.

>>100819 Problem is, it basically isn't latex creatures at all beyond loose similarities. Latex beasts and the latex alter reality in dense concentrations sure but a lot of them don't bother with that and are pretty chill when amongst other latex (and even humans sometimes) whilst the lllya Milk isn't actually anything less than a malignant concept from outside reality that actively corrodes it. And unlike the latex, who want to help but don't really understand why people /wouldn't/ want to be latex beasts, the lllya Milk is genuinely evil. The big difference that you should be asking yourself when comparing the two though is "can a civilization, however loosely, still emerge if one replaced all of reality?" For the latex, this is a yes - albeit one that would basically be anarchic at best. For the lllya Milk, this is by all indications a hard no.

>>100824 Come on Argent, we have a GREAT example of Fairies building a society just earlier in the game!

>>100824 I just think you're giving the Illya Milk a hard time. If you just had some yourself, you'd probably realize just how good it actually is.

>>100820 I want a cute pocket fairy that will manipulate people in my name, praise me, while I devour world.

>>100826 Hmm. Cerals with Illya Milk. Eggs done with Illya Milk. Cake done wiyh Illya Milk.

>>100816 Probably depends on what kind of Jumper you are and what everyone would be like basically just being Jumper. >>100825 If those are our standards of comparison, then that only justifies my point. >>100826 I prefer actual milk, thank you.

>>100828 >Cerals with Illya Milk. Illy-o's! Part of a balanced Illya! >Eggs done with Illya Milk. Illya-side up! >Cake done wiyh Illya Milk. Frosted Illya! >>100829 Drink the Illya Milk. Drink The Illya Milk. Drink The Illya Milk.

>>100828 You have ruined food.

>>100747 Argent, it pains me to inform you, but the servant universe is still a joke, the rest has comedic aspects but isn't a joke, exactly as Fate always was. Seriously I don't understand hiw multiple of you manage to be mindbroken by these things.

>>100831 Thank you. I tried my best.

>>100832 It was less of a joke setting decades ago. That's what hurt the kokoro.

>>100832 There are multiple Argents?

>>100824 We could probably assess Illya Milk more accurately if we tried to narrow down its actual ontological origins. For one, I'll point to Miyu's existence as a Child of God and note that, going by Merem Solomon, it seems like creating Daemons is a natural ability some Children of God can develop. If we use this as the ontological basis for Illya Milk, then its PROBABLY just a living Reality Marble that's come to exist independently. And alien common sense, but probably less than malevolent. Now, if this is a fucking Illya Outer God, or some eldritch Space Bullshit, that might be a different story. I'll also note that Illya in the Prisma timeline has last been seen in a pretty wonky state and I'm kind of worried this is foreshadowing some monstrous apotheosis for her. >>100827 Check the Flying Fairy Companion from Duel Terminal, another Jump he's made in the Yugioh folder.

>>100790 I've done it several times before, though I used a single budget of 1000CP for both jumps before, 1000 each just resulted in terriby balanced builds when I tried it.

>>100832 >the rest has comedic aspects but isn't a joke, Anon, half of the Ordeal Calls are basically shitposts. Canon ones with serious ramifications, yes. But still shitposts. And the Servant Universe /is/ a joke, but it's one that can actually impact the canon timeline and is acknowledged by people within it. >Seriously I don't understand hiw multiple of you manage to be mindbroken by these things. Probably because Fate actually had the trappings of a mostly serious setting in spite of some of its sillier bits over a decade ago. These days, it's basically just whatever crazy stupid shit Nasu feels like throwing in that day.

What if we threw a Sun of Darkness from MGE or just a bunch of Dark Matters into the Illya Milk Galaxy?

>>100837 >1000 each just resulted in terriby balanced builds when I tried it. NTA, but would you care to elaborate on that? I'm curious.

>>100839 Dark Illyas?

>>100838 Not really, no, events and similar things tend to have silly plot, the rest tend to have silly elements, but the ordeal call aren't remotely as bad as you portray them. Seriously I don't get why you aren't saying LB 7 as the canon shitpost, that one was far worse.

>>100840 its been quite a few years, but generally the resultant builds were a lot stronger or versatile than more prominent characters of each setting It was essentially like both settings independently were a jump 2 on a chain.

>>100843 I see.

>>100836 The general description of things though sounds like it's not just Miyu's Child of God powers, but the SPECIFIC merger between her gibbeirng insanity merged with the villagers equally nonsensical faith and rituals causing a tear in the fabric of the world that leads directly to the platonic evil milk dimension. The 'lllya Milk' as we perceive it isn't at all real and is just a consequence of Miyu's insanity, yes. But that's because the substance itself is the manifestation of an alien concept Miyu has gaslit herself into thinking is the purest state of lllya as a concept so hard that it is reflecting her own feelings + that of the villagers out onto the world. A better way of assessing things would be if we could somehow remove Miyu from the equation without sealing the hole then observe if the 'lllya Milk' still acts as a voracious eldritch force without her to usher it in.

>>100842 Where did I say I don't consider LB7 a shitpost? I basically consider everything in FGO a canon shitpost after we got unironic Machine God Olympians made by dyson sphere Chaos and Madam President. The Ordeal Calls are just around where Nasu stops trying to even vaguely pretend he's not throwing shit at the wall.

>>100841 >Testament Milk >>100845 I will note that the "Fairies", before they begin to look like Illya to everyone, (ironically) look like the one Illya turned herself into when time traveling that one time.

What settings would benefit from the presence of Makima?

>>100848 Fate, depending on when and where you drop her.

>>100848 Makima is kind of an objective downside, who only looks like in comparison to her siblings.

>>100848 None. Makima can literally only make a situation worse.

>>100836 It's not funny if it's not BD.

>>100849 Sooo….anywhere you thinking in particular?

>>100848 While I dislike random RWBY hate, RWBY. The world must be united by the time the brother gods return, to avoid them destroying everything again, and the only reasonable way to do it is this. The risk is trying to fight the gods. Himenospia, everyone will be controlled anyway, at least Makima is slightly less evil than Serena and more capable than Himeno Redo of healer, for more or less the same reason, everyone is comically evil to make the protagonist seem better. I'm not sure wether we have a fire punch setting, but that too. Attack on titans.

>>100846 This makes more sense, at least, I still don't see it, but I guess we simply see it differently. I mostly never had any problems with sillier elements, sorry for you, but at least you seem to have fun.

>>100854 >While I dislike random RWBY hate Explain random.

>>100848 Current Chainsaw Man, if I am to believe people on /a/.

>>100856 Eh, people tend to focus on its, glaring, flaws much more than they do for media they prefer, and always justify the second by building headcanons upon headcanons.

God Slaying Blade Works jump Cp:1000 Age: 20 Sex: Male Location: Australia Origin: Local Mage Perks: Sacred Visage - [Free]: Theo-Magical Training - [Free]: Neck Covered - [Free]: A Hero’s Faded Spirit [Archer/Emiya] - [300]: God Slaying Devil King - [800]: Loosened Rituals - [1000]: Second Helping - [1200]: Natural Enemy of Women - [1400]: Mystery Surpassing Divinity [Martial] - [1700]: Authorities [+200]: Ride of the Valkyries - [200/200]: Twelve Lives Manifested - [1900]: King's Order: Twelve Glories - [2300]: Passage Between Worlds - [2700]: Items: Green and Gold - [Free]: Lavish Mansion - [Free]: Companions [+200] Prisma Trio - [100/200]: Lady of Fluff - [200/200]: Drawbacks: Sketchy Masters, Overbearing Siblings [Luo Hao] - [2500]: Ancestral Rivalry - [2300]: Taint of Treachery - [2100]: Divinely Held Grudge [Pluton] - [1900]: Scheming Wizards - [1700]: Tis a Silly Place - [1500]: Multi-Dimensional Intersection [JJK] - [1300] Did I Just do That? - [1200] Maid Syndrome - [1100] Despicable Reputation - [1000] So after some time with sensei [Luo Hao] jumper will go on voyage across multiverse to hunt for Prisma Trios. Lets roll how many sets of magical girls jumper collected during 10 years of hunt. 1d100 = 6

>>100855 I don't really have problems with the sillier moments, and I can run with them easily enough. It's moreso that I can understand where people who were heavily invested in Fate as an answer to an urban fantasy setting with bigger shit going on in the background that isn't say, Dresden Files, are coming from now that unchecked Nasu has been unleashed. It probably also helps that I didn't get very attached to Fate outside of the mild obsession for Stay/Night I had as a teenager, which I grew out of.

>>100858 It has nothing but flaws to be fair.

>>100857 Lil’D is making a right mess of the place. Honestly think at this point that Makima’s plan to kill Death would be less harmful than Death’s plan to cripple herself so she can’t end the world in the future.

>>100861 Eh, that's the random hate I was talking about, but I get we're not here to discuss the merits or lack thereof in RWBY.

As far as godly domains go how high up do you guys think "the spirit world" is in terms of domain power and prestige? I feel like its higher than most, kinda like the underworld but a bit broader. But at the same time it doesnt seem like it would have as much direct power.

>>100864 Depends on the setting.

>>100863 It's just a good punching bag really.

>>100858 RWBY is a complicated problem. I'd describe it thus; imagine someone playing an RPG, maybe a Souls game. RWBY was, originally, someone playing blind who made a shitty nonsense build with meme weapons that was objectively bad, but in some ways it was kind of fun. Then, partially into the playthrough, they went to Rosaria or Rennala to reallocate their stats "properly" according to some guide, except they were underleveled too so now while even with a "correct" and bland cookiecutter build it's still not enough to be good, and they're still bad at the game, and they aren't even fun in the way the dumb build was. But now they're blandly "okayish" on a completely surface level.

>>100867 I'd describe it like this: Imagine an animator who wants to work for free on a passion project, so you wind up with a nonsense story to pad out the fight scenes up to normal episode length. Then imagine that guy dies and no one wants to spend money replacing him, but they want to pretend the show is still running anyway.

>>100859 I need one more roll. 6 sets is way to little. 1d100 = 51

>>100868 Well yeah, that's the actual tangible reason for the shift. I'm just using the allegory to relate the emotional experience of it.

>>100818 >or maybe some Gaia Perks from Kult That would just make her Arcueid.

Jumps with perks for being an extra-dimensional monster that corrodes every universe they interact with? The stuff in the pic is just milk btw, not anything weird.

>>100865 I mean yeah thats true of everything. I mean in general.

>>100874 The problem is that not only authorities are a concept that variates a lot between settings, wich is a solvable problem, but the spirit world too is one, to a degree where there can't be a clear answer, a lot of setting don't have a clea-cut spirit world at all.

>>100818 >In Our Own Image to spread ten facets of ILLYA LOVE through existence, and increase her production of mini-Illyas as angels >Song of the Abhuman to give her dozens of ways to quickly mutate many people into hyper-lethal loyal Illyas >Godhead from Authority so she has an infectious religion-conversion touch to spread Illyaism >Lookout Room from D.Y.N. Freaks so she can spy on and stage her Illya invasion across countless worlds >Drop-In Origin from Soul Eater to spread pervasive Illya madness and create Illya-Clowns >Will of the Wasps to make every woman love her as she loves Illya, and establish for her a brutal fascist dictatorship under wasp-fueled Illyaist political doctrine >Making her a Primordial of Illyaness in Descending Hierarchy (bonus points in then going to Infernals, using a continuity Toggle, and using Orphan Cub of the Devil Tiger to become one of her Infernals with Illya-creation/corruption Charms) >Shin Megami Tensei II so she can do things like create super God Illyas using the belief of the people and damning people's souls to Illya after killing them

>>100873 >stuff in the pic is just milk I don't remember that milk is so sticky. I call sus on that being milk.

>>100877 It is technically eldritch conceptual corruption that only vaguely resembles milk in a purely physical sense. Realistically, it doesn't have any properties remotely in common with actual cow juice and is probably as similar as milk as you are to corn.

>>100878 I don't know, it comes in jars and Miyu thinks its tasty.

Here is 1.0 of LEGO Marvel Games jump. It can be put on the drives. LEGO Marvel Games 1.0 Changelog: >>Slight adjustment to time spent in LEGO Marvel’s Avengers just to make things cleaner. >Added a new scenario: Pick On Someone Your Own Size!. >Minor typo fixes. And here is a small update to LEGO Batman Games, which can also be put on the drives. LEGO Batman Games 1.2 Changelog: >Added a new toggle: LEGO Cinematic Universe. >Minor typo and formatting fixes.

>>100878 Technically speaking many Americans are something like 80% composed of (nutrients/calories from) corn/corn products. Corn is everywhere in the American diet.

I am forgotten...

>>100864 >>100874 A lot of settings with gods won't even have "spirit worlds". They're not exactly mutually exclusive, but they overlap to the point of borderline-redundancy. That, and the "closeness" and significance of the spirit world varies from setting to setting. It's like asking how prestigious is sand control. Kind of depends on whether you're in the desert.

>>100883 You aren't source of corruption in loli form. Of course you will be forgoten.

>>100883 If she's the instigator of this singularity or whatever, I'm pretty sure she's responsible for Miyu's descent into insanity.

>>100883 Who the heck is she?

>>100873 Dies Irae and Avesta of Black & White

>>100885 >>100886 >>100887 Would telling you she has the same artist as Ryza make you interested?

>>100889 Too obsessed with figuring out how to draw power from the Illya dimension to careabout horny.

>>100880 On the Batman jump, why is Plastic Person a species instead of a power?

>>100890 >power from the Illya dimension For sure Slaanesh can help in some way.

Sometimes I wonder if SkyrimAnon ever regrets becoming not just a Fate jumpmaker, but specifically a Fate jumpmaker tasked with dealing with the endless filler arc that is part 2. >>100886 At this point Chaldea should just agree to power down the Servant summoning machines and run maintenance on them every summer and Halloween so they stop having even worse versions of the Star Trek holodeck people trying to take over the ship and can actually make sure Servants are tardwrangled instead of running off and causing the very problems Chaldea is supposed to solve

>>100891 I think it makes as much sense to be a species as Clay Person does. He doesn't have a human physiology anymore.

>>100893 >SkyrimAnon I wonder if he will include way to get/generate Jumper/Illya Milk.

We need to increase the Illya Milk Production.

>>100890 It's not complex, make little Illyas run on hamster wheels.

>>100564 Thanks for the build. I think you might have an extra 100cp to spend unless my math is off.

>>100880 Thanks for the update, WoL_Friend!

>>100899 You're welcome buddy. You are on to Sky Strikers, yes? Good luck with the jump!

>>100893 >At this point Chaldea should just agree to power down the Servant summoning machines and run maintenance on them every summer and Halloween so they stop having even worse versions of the Star Trek holodeck people trying to take over the ship and can actually make sure Servants are tardwrangled instead of running off and causing the very problems Chaldea is supposed to solve That would just cause the Outer Rapists to notice the defences have lowered and abduct you into their rape dimension and make Chaldea waste even more resources to get you back then if they jest left everything on.

>>100900 Thanks! Taking a little break before starting work on Sky Strikers, but it's definitely next on the list!

>>100901 I begin to believe that lolis are intrinsically linked to eldritch forces in the Nasuverse.

>>100901 Lorewise the Outer Gods are supposed to have problems interfering with the Bleaching, at least.

I'm trying to work out the height difference between my jumper and his OC companion since i'm autistic enough to have this type of shit worked out, anyway picrel is about what I want for the height diffrence between them though my Jumper would be Android 18 and his companion would be Krillin in this example height wise, now I know my Jumper is about 6ft 3in so now I just need to workout how tall his companion is off that difference somehow...

>>100904 That just means they need to be White when they rape you, that way it's also Bleaching.

>>100896 See >>100716

>>100904 They already found a way to break in, so give up and assume the position Master.

>>100908 She won?

>>100909 Yes, she wringing all the milk from your body.

>>100892 My ideas so far are >Going to Mage the Ascension and making my Paradigm accessing the Illya dimension's spirits >The Infernals idea in >>100876 >Using Entrapping Frequencies and other Perks that concern adjacent dimensions in Goodbye Strangers to pull things out of it

>>100845 Is the Illya Milk universe a Lower Depth or an Annunaki? Just want to know which part of the Lex Magicka I'm breaking when I make a Legacy out of it.

>>100912 >pic Can someone translate the moonrunes on this?

>>100913 Not me, but I can tell you it's about her third Skill which forcibly applies the Illya trait to all allies and enemies on the field.

>>100913 Box: Skill 3 - Illyaism Miyu: You are now Illya♡ Castoria & Oberon: What is this? Chloe: That girl is going to turn everyone into Illya. Chloe: In fact she'll even add Illya's special abilities to them. Illya: Yeah...

>>100915 Thank you for the moonrunes translation.

>>100619 >Everything may look great but you are stupid and don't know you are oppressed, I will ruin it all for you Everyone like this should die. Bring back Mccarthyism but ten times worse.

>>100917 >>100619 >Everything may look great but you are stupid and don't know you are oppressed, I will ruin it all for you The Witness continues to be the logical endpoint of communism

Great, now Nyanko and some of the spammy anons have their new joke they're not gonna shut the fuck up about for 3 weeks after running it into the ground in the first 3 hours.

>>100919 Nah, I'm mostly done milking the joke for now.

>>100919 Ok, we can go back to discussing communism then.

>>100919 Goo goo gaa gaa shut the fuck up and drink your milkies, bitch

We could talk about Pokemon, Pokewives, and the like?

>>100923 Pokemon are too close to beastiality barring Gardevoir for me. I've never understood the appeal and have no plans to ever.

>>100919 >>100923 I volunteer we talk about ways to deal with the FUCKING Darkness in Destiny, like how did you guys get rid of it all forever?

>>100925 I ended up embracing it and going Shaped Finality. I waffled on it a long time and had this whole roundabout thing before, but eventually I gave in because it was simply that much better, covered all the things I wanted to cover, and offerred the most bang for my buck. It still makes me sad, but such is life.

>>100613 My Solar jumper has one. He started it after people claiming he was their messiah, or refugees from doomed world, kept following him around. When the great curse started to get worse he began to "liberate" nations by putting himself as their ruler because obviously there's no better king than a perfect solar king. The empire's aesthetics are a combination of ancient egyptian, aztec, and tinge of chinese. This is because in his first life he lived in the Southeastern part of Creation, his Mate was from the East, and the first person he fell in love with during the chain was Pharaoh. The form of government is a Theocracy with jumper as the divinely ordained caretaker of mortals, with the blessings of his subject's god(s). The population mostly consists of Nagas, Fire Elementals, Draenei, Trolls, and white haired humans.

>>100924 What's your opinion on digiwives?

>>100927 There are 7 beings i'd bounce on my dick in that image, number 7 might surprise you.

>>100926 Nyanko that is the opposite of getting rid of the Darkness

>>100928 Very similar with blatant outliers like Angewomon though I also have next to no experience with digimon.

>>100930 Yes, I'm aware. At least I used the Darkness to kill the Hive, the Cabal, the Black Fleet, the Witness, and an OC memetic resonance species I created for the sake of that one drawback. So technically, the forces of Darkness were defeated by the Darkness. Don't think about how this simply advances my path towards assuming the Final Shape as my superiority is proven over and over again by overcoming each and every challenge.

>>100929 Is it Hannyabal or whoever is on the left in the back?

>>100933 Nope, it's Beerus.

>>100930 What are you talking about? SURELY stabbing things to get what you want will work against the concept of stabbing things to get what you want.

Wouldn't the best way to fight it is to create as many new things and variations as possible?

>>100936 That may just end up helping the Darkness in the end as competition and conflict between the new things and variations end up winnowing things down to only that which can survive the best against all possibilities, assuming the inevitable Final Shape.

>>100621 Thanks anon

>>100937 Izanami and Izanagi situation. Just make more than is destroyed and if one thing gets to strong break it.

Favourite magitech perks? Or just perks that otherwise add nonsensical & supernatural traits to your tech.

>>100940 The one from In Another World With My Smartphone

>>100939 That is, in fact, the very essence of the Final Shape. Find a Shape so strong that it cannot be broken. Find a Shape so perfect that no variable could ever overcome it. You are simply feeding it.

>>100889 A bit.

>>100931 >outliers Most Digimons turn into either sexy humanoids or giant mecha knights.

>>100900 Hey WoL this is a minor request so feel free to refuse it but would you mind making the Karate perk in Big Hero 6 make it so you could choose a different martial art and potentially even repurchase the perk multiple times to learn other martial arts with it?

>>100945 No, it is referencing something from the film so I think it is better left as is.

>>100942 All I know to tell you is if it's going to be that level of bullshit just use ontological supremacy to redefine darkness something less annoying.

>>100946 Fair enough.

>>100947 Anon, this is just the basic-ass lore of what the Final Shape originally was. It was the Vex/a pattern so tenacious, so perfect that even the Gardener or Winnower fucking around in the garden and poking at it let it survive essentially unchanged; no other pattern could last against it, nothing could truly change it. That's what pissed off the Gardener in the first place, because said shape just kept winning no matter the conditions, no matter how much bullshit you threw at it. So the Gardener and Winnower changed the rules, and now we're here. But the Winnower still believes that a Final Shape will inevitably emerge. Maybe it's not his favorite flowers anymore, but a Shape will emerge. At least, that's the Winnower's thesis.

>>100926 >pic Bitch I will use my superior human strength to crawl up inside you and go to town on those flesh walls. It will be like a cave diver being told he is entering the chasm of certain death. I will never leave until I am flooded out. They you will have to explain why you call someone the size of a hamster compared to you daddy.

>>100944 Or dragons

>>100949 Yes I know this.

>>100952 So you understand that "creating arbitrary amounts of new things and variations" would only, in fact, help the Darkness's goal of finding that Final Shape and once a Final Shape is found then no amount of new numbers or variations would actually make any sort of difference?

Damn just not sure if I want to go with the cheat skill I was thinking of because while I am all in for gaining godly eldritch power I actually said I was not going to become a god running around with followers and clergy this time. It just bogs you down so much. I just dont know what to go with that would match the 1000 cheat points I have budgetted

>>100953 The point, is you are creating enough variations and separation that no one pattern can achieve supremacy.

>>100955 Separation is an element that you didn't mention until now, and that would help. But the Winnower's thesis is that a Final Shape would be found regardless. It doesn't matter how long it takes, but it will emerge.

>>100912 It's trying to actively replace the universe with itself rather than just being something absent of one or more qualities of our reality, so an Annunaki.

>>100928 They can be pretty great.

>>100947 Trying to match blows against the Winnower in a contest of ontological supremacy does not sound like it will end well.

>>100956 Its what I meant by in >>100939 >if one thing gets to strong break it. >>100959 Normally yeah but there are perks these days you should be able to manage it. To be honest at that point I find it becomes a bit boring at that scale.

>>100919 I can talk about Enigma of Fear and what settings to introduce the Elements to in order to utterly ruin them if that's better for you.

>>100960 >If one thing gets to strong break it. Does not sound like your separating things, it sounds more like you're actively intervening if something gets too strong by destroying that thing. Which is something the Winnower would tacitly approve of, because if something can be broken then it should be broken.

>I missed out on milking the milk conversation You know what fuck it, I just want to get this out of my mind. If you were to harness the “milk” at a lower concentration, you could probably use it to turn others into magical girls (or boys). This is merely a theory, but considering how flexible Nasu is to exceptions, it’s possible. And maybe I dunno, turn it into a business venture outside of Fate jumps? That is all.

>>100963 Milk it for all it's worth, Batsu. Milk it.

>>100962 You don't destroy it. You break it into smaller constituent parts. It will still exist, but diminished, now separate and thus more variation of what was once a single unit and without that unity those constituent parts will develop differently than the single unit because each is now exposed to their own unique experiences.

>>100965 You know, the funny thing? The Vex have a defense against this exact tactic. Every aspect of the Vex Pattern contains the entirety of the Vex Pattern; all Vex are THE Vex. It doesn't matter how you try to cut them up or separate them, they will simply continue to be The Vex. This no longer applies in a world with paracausal forces as the Gardener and Winnower changed the rules and thus new Vex collectives are capable of forming, but the principle should also still apply to any Final Shape that arises. It doesn't matter how you break it or separate it or lessen it, it'll still be the Final Shape and essentially restore itself. That's part of what it means to be the Final Shape.

>>100961 Speaking of, since I'm currently looking at a conversation involving it - which Elements do you guys think Naruto characters would fall under? I've seen someone identify Sasuke as anything from Blood (acting emotionally or irrationally, blindly lashing out, pursuing revenge to the exception of anything else, etc), Energy (his actions are very chaotic and don't make sense to an outside observer or even himself, he sees purely in black and white with zero middle ground, he always goes for extremes), to even Death (he's trapped in constantly repeating cycles). >>100963 It really does depend on how corrosive it is to stuff overall when Miyu isn't blasting that shit everywhere.

>>100966 Hence why you break it, you REALLY break it. If you damage something to forever be wounded and imperfect, subjecting it to the forces of change, it cannot be unchanging.

>>100940 That perk from the FFVIII jump that allows you to recreate what Dr. Odine did. Which is developing a small, wearable, easily mass-producible device that allows otherwise completely ordinary people to absorb magical energy from their environment and channel it to cast spells without ever needing to learn how to use magic or even have the innate ability to do it. And the perk allows this to be applied to other sources of energy as well. So you could, for example, go into Naruto and create a system of para-magic that allows a completely untrained civilian to absorb nature energy from the environment into a device and then use that device to seamlessly use a preset arsenal of "Ninjutsu" without needing to use hand seals or even have a chakra system, let alone the knowledge or skill required to mold chakra. You could use S-rank Ninjutsu by just pointing at people in the same way that a soldier can shoot an RPG without needing to know how to build one. Want to use Water Release? Go find a spot with a particularly high concentration of water elemental chakra, such as a waterfall or something, and rip the nature energy out of it. Then a month later unload that energy to shoot twenty gigantic S-rank water dragons at somebody in rapid succession. The sheer potential of that technology is absurd considering that it requires next to no knowledge or specialized skills to use. It's the magic system equivalent of having a 7 foot tall gigachad who's spent 30 years training in archery and then handing an AK-47 to a skinny NEET and telling both of them to compete by shooting at a target. It's hilarious.

>>100968 The Vex also (kinda) had a defense against that; they weren't an eternally unchanging stasis, in point of fact they were constantly changing. It was just change happening in a constant tessalation, the pattern surviving even as the actual substance and modality contained within that pattern changed. Break the Vex so they can't use Radiolaria; they use memes and technology and quantum temporal manipulations. Break the Vex so they can't time travel; they simulate alternate timelines and reconstruct history and future events as simulations that overwrite reality anyways. Break the Vex to be incapable of communication; they don't communicate and contain the whole of the Vex as a single pattern that tesselates from each node, reacting to itself in a way that looks like many actors when in truth it's just one thing. The principle is simple: you cannot break the Final Shape in any way that matters. You cannot divide the Final Shape in any way that matters. You cannot stop the Final Shape in any way that matters. This is not something the Darkness does, this is simply its belief-that the Final Shape will arrive after enough time and variation and experience. Even if you try to break it, force it to be lesser, cripple it, change the rules, the Final Shape will arrive regardless-that's what the Darkness believes, and that's what it supports.

>>100957 Then by Awakened understanding Miyu is guilty of seeking and obtaining the station of a Baal, the highest crime in Pentacle law.

>>100965 >>100966 >>100968 You could also just preemptively nuke anything that looks like it's going to become a hegemonizing swarm and overtake the entire game before it gets to the point where it's self-perpetuating and can survive anything. Which the Winnower would still like for inherently denying anything you do not like the right to power beyond what you permit, but it inherently let's the game continue and delays a singular Final Shape for a longer period.

>>100970 >>100972 Ngl. I understand why the Gardener flipped the board.

>>100969 Would you not have to know the spells yourself to program them into the devices?

>>100973 Yeah. Realistically speaking the emergence of a Final Shape is kinda, well, Game Over for the rest of the universe. From inside the universe getting annihilated/assimilated/whatever sucks pretty bad. From outside the universe, it apparently gets really fucking boring when some stupid metagaming pattern hijacks the game, completely dominates, then just sits there dancing for the rest of the game.

>>100973 Yep. The big problem is that the Pattern wasn't just one thing deciding to eat everything in every iteration of the Flower Game - it was /everything/ collectively deciding to keep turning into this one pattern, over and over again, no matter how the game played out. Entire multiverses deciding, down to the last strata, that becoming this singular thing was better than being an individual unit. Like the cosmic equivalent of crabs.

>>100976 And then the annoying flower just sits there. Dancing. For the entirety of the rest of the game. Mocking the Gardener.

>>100975 >>100976 I guess you could create unfinal shapes where things will refuse to join together completely and refuse to destroy the other ensuring there can be no one final thing left just a bunch of many things?

I don't get it, why don't you just kill everything else so you're the Final Shape by default?

>>100978 Kinda possible, kinda not. The Final Shape will overcome them, either assimilating or destroying them. That's what it does. Creating something that is designed to stand against the Final Shape may, in fact, be the Final Shape in the end. If it's the only thing left standing and there's nothing left, then that is by default the Final Shape.

>>100979 Anon is trying to prevent the rise of a Final Shape. He's getting closer to creating the Final Shape, of course.

>>100971 Well yes. Miyu would in fact be executed on the spot if she were in MTA. They don't fuck around with this kind of shit.

>>100979 I don't even know what is going on at this point, I thought we were trying to fight the darkness but it seems like it will win regardless because its a neener neener. >>100980 I mean if you hard code it into them that they won't ever merge and will remain distinct, they can't really be a single shape.

>>100983 I mean, does it really matter whether the Deep wins or loses if you're winning too?

>>100984 It is apparently a shit waifu and not your friend so yes it does.

>>100983 >I mean if you hard code it into them that they won't ever merge and will remain distinct, they can't really be a single shape. So long as they survive to the exclusion of all else, then they will be the Final Shape by default. They don't even have to exterminate existence directly, they just have to be the last ones standing when everything else is dead. The Witness's Final Shape wasn't due to it being a merger of an entire civilization (though on a personal level, that /was/ the finalization of them as a race) but because they would be the only authority and arbiter of what exists or does not exist in a completely ossified garden. There's a reason the Gardener's philosophy isn't to erase or destroy the Final Shaps, but it insisting that, when given absolute power and no ties to any ideologies, people will choose to forge a gentle city ringed in spears rather than pursuing or becoming the Final Shape. And the Winnower itself has pointed out that this is using its own law, which it believes is a doomed endeavor. Especially in light of how it loves the current iteration of the Game for proving it more correct than ever.

Point of order that I would like to clarify to anon before we go further. The Final Shape...isn't a thing. Bear with me. The Final Shape is an idea, a concept, a belief rather than a thing. It isn't some definite creature, or the Vex, or what have you. The Hive think that if you kill enough and become "sharp" enough, you become it. Maybe. The Witness thinks that petrifying the entire universe makes the universe become it. Maybe. But the Final Shape itself? Not a thing. It's an idea. A belief. An end-state for reality. The Final Shape is what happens when there's only one thing on the "board" (universe), and that one thing never dies. That's the Final Shape. Whether that "one thing" is a memetic assimilator species, a singular being, an entire society acting in regular patterns, doesn't matter. If it's all that's left and it always remains, it's the Final Shape. You can have a Final Shape that is one being, or an assimilator hivemind, or a society, or a petrified universe-they're all equally valid candidates to be the Fiinal Shape. That said, the Final Shape cannot be determined until there is only one Shape left-that's the whole point. If there's more Shapes than it, it's not the Final Shape. So lots of things can look like the Final Shape, but nothing can be determined to be it until the game ends-one way or another. >>100983 At that point all you've done is create multiple unchanging undying distinct things. If some of those things were to die and leave one left, that's the Final Shape. If those things make an agreement to act in certain ways with each other and maintain a certain pattern for all time, that's the Final Shape.

>>100984 The Deep is a fucking monster that watches death and decay, and thinks that it's magnificent. The Deep is the very idea of selfishness and winner-take-all. It revels in the idea of all life in the universe fighting over scraps as each sun dwindles to cinders, and finds beauty in the fact that there is no escape from it all. This is all by the Winnower's admission, by the way. It flat out states that by any mortal comprehension of it's value system it and those who follow it wholeheartedly are unthinkably evil. It's Judge Holden as a cosmic force. It should be killed. It should be ABLE to be killed. Because it had to actually wrestle the Sky/Gardener/Traveller, it didn't just snap it's nonexistent fingers and maintain the initial pre-creational state of existence, and even in the new Grimoire entries it reaffirmed that it was fucking pissed by the change in rules. And it's already been shown that the Gardener (who the Traveller is referred to as the thing interchangeably by beings like the Nine who perceive a larger swathe of reality than anything mortal) can be choked and strangled by something as comparatively small as the Witness so in theory, IN THEORY, the same can and should be done to the Winnower for the same reason you should squash a botfly if you find one helpless on your desk.

>>100986 Then the solution is to create more universes in which life doesn't have to struggle and no choice is preferable to any other.

>>100989 ...And then, collectively, those universes are assimilated/make the choice to unite/fall apart until only one is left/undergo catastrophes until all that is left is only what can survive. And thus the Final Shape.

>>100647 Have you considered a japanese girl with the mind of the president of the US (male) as a waifu?

>>100988 >Because it had to actually wrestle the Sky/Gardener/Traveller, it didn't just snap it's nonexistent fingers and maintain the initial pre-creational state of existence, and even in the new Grimoire entries it reaffirmed that it was fucking pissed by the change in rules. The Gardener was and is its direct equal - it wasn't a contest between one lesser vs a greater. It was two equals tussling about and the by-blows of the by-blows of that conflict destroyed the original garden and scattered away the flowers. >And it's already been shown that the Gardener (who the Traveller is referred to as the thing interchangeably by beings like the Nine who perceive a larger swathe of reality than anything mortal) can be choked and strangled by something as comparatively small as the Witness so in theory, IN THEORY, The Traveler and the Veil don't seem to be the entirety of either of them, is the thing. They're the game pieces being used, not the players themselves. Even the Traveler knows it's diminished and can't recall the exact details of its origin. The Gardener and Winnower are laws in the game and the Traveler and Veil are just their greatest representations. >>100989 >in which life doesn't have to struggle and no choice is preferable to any other. This will still probably lead to the Final Shape unless you keep a close eye on things and try to guide them away from interests that lead to blind hegemony. They should be happy, yes. But diversification of thought and feeling along with never falling into holding patterns is key to avoiding the Final Shape.

Besides Latex from Changed what else can i combine with Illya Milk to make the most infectious substance?

>>100993 Mamono Mana.

>>100993 The Bydo.

>>100993 Instead of making it more directly infectious, give it more abstract vectors. Give Miyu some Divine Attributes and Perks from Nobilis so she can get WACKY with the Milk.

>>100990 Okay dumb question, doesn't that mean from a Jumpchain persepctive all you need to do defeat the Final Shape is: 1) Get something to physically embody it 2) Eat it and use that perk from Chainsaw man to erase its concept If its inevitable, it likely wouldn't have an immediate counter to being eaten, because from the perspective of the Final Shape you would inevitably turn into anyway.

>>100993 The Vex Pattern via Irresolvable | Irrecoverable Presence in Destiny: The Darkness so that Radiolaria is replaced with Illya Milk and the Vex emanate the principles of Illya as a memetic infectious agent across all of time.

>>100992 >The Traveler and the Veil don't seem to be the entirety of either of them, is the thing. Argent, multiple characters ranging from the Nine to the Witness itself at this point have referred to the Traveller as the Gardener. Don't you think the Witness would be a little more detached if it was describing it's actions as merely tipping over a shard from a greater whole? Hell the fact that the Pale Heart is in fact the key to enacting the Witness' idea of the Final Shape (which the Vex view as certain oblivion in ALL timelines) says volumes about the significance of the Traveller, just as the Traveller's own moments of doubt carry less weight than something that's independent from the Gardener's own value system. Hell the last entry of the new Grimoire thing is from the Traveller/Gardener's view and talks about it remembering the stagnancy of the early universe, and the infinite possibilities of the present. This is the SAME PoV portrayed in Ergo Sum as drowning helplessly under the Witness' assault. Face it, Bungie doesn't want to make all of this any less complex than "big ball and big turnip" for the double digit IQs in the playerbase. The space turnip WILL digest sweetly in my stomach once I figure out why the FUCK there is still Darkness in this goddamn setting after reverse voring it (just like there is still Light for the Guardians even after the Flain Suit lore established very firmly that the Witness had the Gardener in a complete cobra clutch with absolutely no nerfs from it, with the maximum extent of it's resistance being throwing other people buffs/weapons while resisting the enactment of the Final Shape)

>>100997 Please see >>100987. tl;dr, the Final Shape isn't really a thing in and of itself. If you could eat its concept with that perk from Chainsaw Man then like...maybe? But it'd be like trying to eat the concept of capitalism-actually, more fundamental. The concept of trade.

>>100997 The Final Shape is more or less just a philosophy and belief or rather - it is /any/ belief that represents the idea of their being one thing at the end of existence, in any form. If you turned something into the idea of the Final Shape and ate that, it would only encompass whatever facet of the Final Shape you embodied. It would not encompass say, everyone being happy and immortal and spreading happy immortality forever until everyone is a happy immortal. Or digital transcendence for all eternity. Or the FFFFFUCKING Affini Compact. And so on. Anything that leads to total dominance/assimilation/mass omnicide of existence is the Final Shape yes. But too much of a good thing is /also/ the Final Shape. There's also the fact we've since learnt with Part 2 that things Pochita has eaten can just be reinvented if people try enough, so that perk actually isn't all that great if you want to permanently remove concepts.

>>100997 The only reason I'm not wildly cheering on this solution is that from what I've heard, Pochita has been powercrept by Death in the current storyline. And if anything, any single thing, in Chainsaw Man can prove itself stronger than Pochita then it probably also means the Final Shape is probably indigestible for him. >>100998 You will regret this outcome

>>101001 >There's also the fact we've since learnt with Part 2 that things Pochita has eaten can just be reinvented if people try enough Fuck.

Who's the smartest shonen scientist?

>>101004 Bulma.

>>100999 The Nine don't understand the Light at all is the problem and the Jovians are seething because of that. The Witness calls it the Gardener because that is what the Precursors called it to begin with and whilst it clearly knows /of/ the Winnower, it also very clearly doesn't get it's philosophy either given Nacre shows the Winnower actively disliked it even if its Final Shape wasstill acceptable. Every outside POV we've ever had of the Traveler and Veil has provided no definitive answers to their existence. All of them except Unveiling, which we know for certain /now/ was from the Winnower. And everything in Unveiling runs contrary to what everyone else is trying to peddle to us, regardless of what Bungie says or does.

>>101004 I would probably say Bulma if you are going with general genius, and probably one of the Giant Robot scientists if you want to get into something more narrow.

>>101002 >You will regret this outcome The milk shall flow.

>>100993 What if we poured a bunch of Illya Milk in that jar that makes Incarnae in Descending Hierarchy?

>>101006 The new Grimoire entries tho, they explicitly have the Traveller (again same PoV style as Ergo Sum) reminiscing on the events describe in Unveiling and comprehending infinite variation. Also again, the Pale Heart is able to inflict things on a scope only comparable to the initial Flower Game itself. All that points to it being QUITE A BIT more than a mere playing piece when the Gardener's actual consciousness is hanging around in there.

Speaking of the Final Shape, some things from my chain. Chara is going to be interning under Auryx (genderbent Oryx Taken/enslaved in Destiny The Darkness); aside from proper swordfighting, what lessons do you think I should have Auryx teach Chara?

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>>101011 Statecraft and economics. Oryx/Auryx is unironically great at king stuff given he managed to establish a functioning hierarchy amongst a species of murderhobos.

>>101011 Philosophy, Theology, Literature & Navigation.

What abilities would let a super scientist significantly speed up their research and development/break the limits of what they can normally make without just being vaguely smarter?

>>101015 Alchemy abd transmutation to fabricate materials at will

Y'know ironically, despite looking exactly like another form of it, Latex beasts somewhat function as a subversion or refutation of the Final Shape. Because even the most seemingly out-of-it latex can just...decide to not be part of a diffused goo puddle and do their own shit. Even latex beasts of the same type continuously evolve and can have different opinions and desires and interests, having hobbies or playing around with rival latex without meaning any harm. Heck, the fact they have variations of themselves that act differently from the rest at all is a point against the Final Shape because they're too /different/. I personally just find the idea of the Winnower looking at them and cheering them on a definitive proof of its philosophy only to go "Wait..." when they start say, swimming, or going hiking, or fishing, or replicating giant chess games instead of just existing as a massive homogenizing goo tide to be really funny. >>101004 Bulma. >>101010 That's them clearly trying to connect them more intimately, but we already knew from the start that the Traveler and Gardener are connected, so it doesn't change much. >Also again, the Pale Heart is able to inflict things on a scope only comparable to the initial Flower Game itself. Nothing is comparable to the original Flower Game. The OG Game encompassed infinite recursive multiverses within the scope of a single Flower or grid of them. Our lesser version of the game could infinitely nest copies of the Flower Game /itself/ within it and that game is nothing compared to the real thing the Gardener and Winnower used to play. The Witness 'only' finalizing our multiverse and it's infinite timelines is nothing in comparison, but it would still be a Final Shape, which is all the Winnower cares about.

>>101015 The tech tree perks from Factorio or Kerbal Space program let you theoretically research anything. Kerbal space program also has a research boost as long as you go to exotic locations

>>101017 >The OG Game encompassed infinite recursive multiverses within the scope of a single Flower or grid of them. I mean, to be fair I'd argue murking the entire Vex network hard enough for it to try and fail repeatedly to find a way to survive is at least thinking along the same lines of Conway's Schizophrenic LSD Fever Dream of Life given how at least the Vex in their current form is the seed of the big initial flowerbed. >Latex beasts By that metric, so are Kirby, Gooey and Elfilin.

>>101011 The Human Killer 9000.

>>101020 Kirby, no. Kirby would be a good example of the Final Shape, assuming he survives to the end. Gooey, yes. That a mass of Dark Matter can just decide to not be Dark Matter would be a refutation of it. Elfilin, kinda?

>>101022 >assuming he survives to the end I was going to say just Gooey but like Kirby does a lot of things like go fishing or be a cafe chef or just sleep all day that aren't constantly killing and eating everything in sight outside of adventures

>>101023 True, but still-he also survives super well. And he doesn't need to kill everything to be the Final Shape; as long as everything else is dead and he's not, he's still the Final Shape.

>>101020 The Vex in their current form aren't the original Pattern though - they're unironically so diminished from what they were that they've lost their original title of the Final Shape and the Gardener took specific steps by inserting it's new rule to make the game nomic so they wouldn't justify inevitably win all over again. If the Vex were still the original Pattern, then the Witness would never have come into existence or if it did, then it would just BE the Pattern. Finalizing ALL the Vex is impressive yes, but it's nothing compared to what the Pattern was just by existing. >By that metric, so are Kirby, Gooey and Elfilin. Kirby is a maybe. He could be argued to be as such, but Kirby engages in plenty of holding patterns that if he were the last thing around, the Winnower might just declare him the Final Shape (though if Kirby were the last thing in existence he'd probably forsake his holding patterns to go out and find anyone else because he wouldn't enjoy bring alone). Gooey is a direct refutation of it by virtue of deciding that being Dark Matter is for losers and having friends is actually more important. Same for Elfilin - though Elfilis is /definitely/ a proponent of the Final Shape.

>>101025 I would like to argue that the Vex are still the Pattern, just that the introduction of the new rules (Gardener and Winnower) freaked them the fuck out enough that they no longer win by default.

>>101026 Yeah, what I'm trying to say is that they're no longer the Final Shape. Their former heavyweight title is now open to all comers and even the Winnower doesn't know for certain who will win anymore.

I wonder how the Vex would react if the paracausal forces of Touhou were introduced to the setting?

>>101028 Are Touhous really paracausal? They have a definite origin from deterministic phenomena (belief) and their abilities are quantifiable enough that even formerly normal humans can replicate things like the Master Spark by studying to be witches and shit

>>101029 Some are. Like the Hourai Immortals. Or Yuugi, whose whole power is literally "unexplainable phenomenon". Or the Gap Hag's abilities.

>>101029 They can be argued to be for some of them. Especially if you add in weirdness like that officially licensed gacha with the infinite multiverses.

Wasn't someone working on a Tomie Jump? Has there been any updates on that?

>>101002 Right now Death still hasn't awakened as the great king of terror, and has done almost nothing, it's war the impressive one.

>>101031 >Especially if you add in weirdness like that officially licensed gacha with the infinite multiverses. ...gachas have really made conquering settings a lot more complicated with their big ridiculous infinite multiverses so that every character can be sold 6 separate times while wearing funny hats or celebrating a new seasonal activity, and every would-be conquerer has to either escalate or be limited to being an event filler character. Whatever happened to the good old days when there was just ONE world to take over, and everyone didn't spontaneously trip over their feet to bounce on the cock of the nearest self-insert? >But Moorecock >But Stephen King >But Brandon Sanderson Hush, we don't talk about those weirdos.

>>101032 No, he said he was going to work on it but got got by Tomie before he even started I was even going to offer to help him

>>101035 >>101032 Was it going to be the Manga appearances or the movies?

>>101035 he supposedly was almost finished which might've been the problem

>>101034 >Shard lamenting how hard being a multiversal tyrant is when new multiverses keep sprouting up like weeds Always funny.

>>100613 >Well keeping with the OP, Do any of you anons have empires? Yes, empire building is something I enjoy. It helps that as a Solar I can develop various charms to make everything run better. >Also what is your favorite empire item I like A Legacy Of Interstellar Imperium from Exalted Shards Heavens Reach. An uninhabited solar system gives me a lot of room to grow. >>100722 >...might want to throw some general items together to justify an update so I can put that in the notes. I don’t have any general item suggestions, but what about a follower purchase for 15,000 people? You can’t be a king or noble without people to rule over, and always having a decent core of people in future jumps would be nice.

>>101029 Pretty sure they're aren't, Paracasual means doesn't "just" control Causality/Fate/Logic but actually transcends it to the point that it simply doesn't apply to them. To put things in a way that makes sense, a Jojo character with the Spin is closer to being Paracausal then any character in Touhou.

>>101031 >Especially if you add in weirdness like that officially licensed gacha with the infinite multiverses There's a Touhou multiverse?

>>101039 You wouldn't know it was me and not some other power-hungry Jumper's writer if I didn't know the OG multiverse setting-writers (Zelazny is discounted for the purpose of this discussion because honestly, his is kind of low-tier), just saying. >>101041 That's pretty much what I thought. Some of them are pretty fucky-whucky, but the Nine are pretty fucky-whucky themselves and were still confused and frightened by things like the Anthem Anatheme when the Emissary first explained it to them. And yeah, Soft & Wet should qualify because it's outside the logic of the world, it simply is.

>>101037 Manga

I think I brought up gacha-ing up a bunch of OC's and then picking through them for long term companions but filling out character stuff is very time consuming and rolling was ultimately something I was doing for fun, so I'm just not gonna do that. I'll just make them the normal way so I have like three long term people I enjoy and can actually use decently enough. Now I just need to figure out if I include a caster besides myself or not. I feel like I should have two Conscripts though.

>>100663 Stay night Illya yes. Prisma no. >>100732 >>100689 >>100760 I can’t believe how close my old idea of getting a more yandere Miyu in Fate/Grand master came to canon. Her gimmick was going to be that Jumper is the definition of good and everyone should serve Jumper, but no one else is as dedicated to Jumper as her, Jumper deserves better, so she would use replace their minds with her own, becoming a Miyu hivemind (Using a NP born from an interaction between her Divine Child thing and the corrupted grail that summoned her). But I ended up not going for it because it felt to out of character for her to be replacing peoples minds with herserlf. Guess it wasn’t.

Jumpmakers, what are some settings that you would love to make a jump but you can't because the products these settings come from are terrible in quality? I really wanted to make a Rebel Moon jump because is so alike Star Wars in many ways but goddamn Zack Snyder made two shit movies despite my desire to think the opposite.

>>101047 Battlefeild earth

>>100663 I would daily drink it.

>>101046 >But I ended up not going for it because it felt to out of character for her to be replacing peoples minds with herserlf To be fair, it's not HERSELF she's replacing them with.

>>101050 Still close enough. particulary with Grand/Master letting us summon versions that cater to ones tastes, so she would be more possessive/monopolizing than normal.

>>101015 Create perfect simulations of your reseach Literally fuck with time, by setting up your experiments and the like in the past so that you get the results in the present. Use something like a hyperbolic time chamber to do your research in, maybe have some replica of yourself do it so you dont have to experience the passage of time.

>>101054 >Spend the whole jump doing risky and costly experiments. >Send all the data back in time for the you on the first day of the jump. >Rinse and repeat.

>Decide to look up a picture I've seen a while ago >Majority of artist's shit is gone >"I am a Christian first and foremost." >FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF What do we have that gives jumpers an archive of everything?

I love this thread guys.

>>101058 Explain your reasoning in 500 words, 12 point don't, Times New Roman, MLA format.

>>101059 >Autocorrected font to don't I beg your pardon?

I'm already sick of being a zombie. I wanna be a shonen man (boy)

>>101061 God he just has the prettiest eyelashes doesn't he?

>>101059 I love prisma trio and now we were spamming pictures and ideas about them.

>>101042 In Lost Word, yes. >>101043 Nah, I knew it was you from the moment you brought up how gachas always do this and how it makes headaches for would-be conquerors. Your specific autism when it comes to FGO and BA have cemented how thoroughly gachas mess with your chain writing. The big OG multiverse writers just made it more obvious. >>101047 I'm not interested in making it, but a Hazbin/Helluva jump is one of those settings it sounds fun to mess with. Mostly to kick Alastor's teeth in.

>>101055 >Juzo Kabuto before creating the biggest powerscaling sore loser to unleash onto the world & other timelines >>101061 Strengthen your bones & start boxing evil, take a trip into Tokusatsu setting starting with the Skull Man jump. Or go to Street Fighter & become a disciple of SKULLOMANIA BABYYY!

>>101031 >>101034 To be fair to LostWord on that last point (for whatever good that does), Lossy (the PC) is a girl small enough that everyone thinks of her as a little sister. On the other hand, the devs have her develop a crush on Sakuya in the main story for some reason? Like, Time Maid is cool and all, but come on now.

>>101057 Who is the artist?

>>101069 Azurathefox

>>101057 >Not getting an advanced AI waifu who's such a skilled artist that her porn makes people cum to death

>>101041 Not familiar with Touhou, but if they can control to an extent that ignores cause and effect that would be paracausal. It's really just a fancy way to say magic.

>>101065 You talking about the latex beasts in a xianxia context made me want to make try to budget a build for generic xianxia with both Many body one soul and Many children blessed life for maximum latex beast. I dislike you for this, I just want to let you know that.

>>101032 >>101036 Well I had started working on it when I claimed it. >but got got by Tomie Someone certainly tried. Got really sick, I spend two days in bed trembling in pain and trying to sleep more hoping for the pain to stop when I woke up. Afterwards, I got somewhat better, less pain I but kept stumbling around and had to hold on walls to not fall. Also everything tasted like shit. When I got better after a little over two weeks, my vacation was nearly over, and I have been busy with college, graduating next year, so this and the next semester will be quite busy. I have been working on it on my free time, but currently, that’s not a lot. Anyway, have the current WIP. A ?? Besides a perk name means I intend to figure out a better one later, most were quotes from the manga. >>101037 Manga.

Is it wrong to attach another QQ jump to Baalbuddy so that the elves are actually fuckable?

>>101076 >Using jumps from other communities TWICE Yes, very wrong.

>>100613 I prefer to start with a small town and scale it up by giving them more land. It seems more personal than just buying an empire to start with. >>100718 I believe a lot of old people did warn about the dangers of more people in cities eroding morals. >>100923 I had a fever dream last night about pokemon. Besides the people trying to break into my house a family of messed of Gardevoir were outside my window and kept knocking down my drapes. They looking like mutant freaks from some 80s B rank movie. Large eyes with black eyeliner rings to look more terrifying. It was a mama Gardevoir, 2 Kirlia and 3 Ralts. And they were blue, so they were all the shiny sort.

>>101076 There are elves who have had sex in the Baalbuddy mythos, even outside of his nsfw account.

>>101079 Ironically it's the elves that don't care about sex 24/7 that get all of it.

>>100928 Digiwives are hit and miss. As you normal looking humanoid waifu might turn into a monster that has no vagina. Digimon be like that some time.

>>101081 This squid needs to calm her fucking tits.

>>101081 As digital creatures, they can change themselves or have someone they trust that knows how to code to alter them for you if you both really wanted it.

>>101076 I've used Lewd Magic Isekai with it before. My obligatory Bargain Pack of elves was a guild of adventurers who'd finally gotten so desperate that they pushed the first isekaijin they met into taking them as slaves.

>>101083 That really depends on the continuity. That's viable in some but drastically harder if not impossible in others. Highly viable in Tamers I'd think though. Towards the end of that series they had some of the original programmers that made what would become the digital world just coding stuff into reality on the fly.

>>101058 Agreed but I do wish we could talk about different stuff other than fat tits and waifus or battle shonen sometimes. Not that I mind fat tits mind you, or battle shonen, but I am a bit burnt out on them.

>>101082 How would you feel about going from a reasonably cute frog lady and a small swimmer's chest. Then losing your legs and gaining like a dozen extra eyes and flappy tits that just get in the way?

>>101085 and sometimes there's cringe like the kemonogami that misses the point entirely

>>101086 I'm gonna be honest, I dipped when I saw the milk conversation take over. Anything on your mind as far as conversation material? >>101087 I don't have context for either of those states of being but I think she would be happy. Either way though, boobs too volatile. >>101088 I'm not familiar. Is that a side series like appmon? I don't know anything about those.

>>101089 Iirc Kemonogami are spirits, not digital lifeforms.

>>101088 They become digital at the end of the game. It is almost the same as the Adventure lore. >>101089 In Digimon Survive they are not Digimon as they are not digital beings (until the end of the game). They are referred to as Kemonogami (Beast Gods), who comes from an overlapping world based on human faith.

>>101089 >I'm not familiar. Is that a side series like appmon? I don't know anything about those. Digimon Survive

>>101089 >I don't have context for either of those states of being but I think she would be happy. Either way though, boobs too volatile. In Frontier, the Ranamon (frog girl) was a world famous model that every digimon wanted to waifu. She had lots of fan clubs and such. Once she evolved everyone left because she was so ugly, having large tits and being considered "old". All of her fans switched over to trying to waifu the 10 year old human girl instead. Both in her human form and the digimon fairy form.

>>101090 I found a small page on them. Seems a little peculiar but I kinda get the idea. >>101091 Aaah, the tactics game. Yeah I hate that genre so I haven't looked into it much at all. The theory behind this vaguely makes sense as it provides some sort of foundation for where everything comes from. >>101092 Yep, thank you.

>>101074 >I dislike you for this, I just want to let you know that. Very fair. The Latex Xianxia brainworms have been messing with me ever since I posted the jump.

>>101084 That's a fun way to do it.

>>101094 It's more of a VN than a tactics games. Like, the tactics elements is mind numbingly easy, and unless you actively grind for stuff makes up only a small fraction of your total play time.

>>101089 Eh not really, Im just kinda fucking around trying to figure out if theres anything worth reading that we have jumps over

>>101093 Good to know Frontier at least had something based about it.

>>101088 >>101091 The original Digimon lore, which has remained true into stuff like Cyber Sleuth which actively addresses the Digimon multiverse(s) in depth and even stuff like Ghost Game and Colon, is that Digimon are inherently spiritual existences that have shaped human myth and our world from the very beginning - and we in turn shape them. They are digital in the modern era purely because of advancements in technology and because technology is one of the core things that human public consciousness recognizes immediately. This is the general background lore for the Adventure series as well, and the wider Xros Wars lore is that the Digitsl World predates and encompasses our universe in its entirety. It's less than a handful of continuities where the Digital World was directly shaped, let alone made wholesale by human hands. Tamers and the Wonderswan games are the only ones where this has ever been the case.

>>101093 Gross! Reminds me of those Gekomon and Mimi from Adventure. >>101097 Huh, peculiar game concept. What's the point of integrating the genres that way? >>101098 Fair enough man, good luck with your search.

>>101101 Digimon has a long history of Digimon trying to waifu human children. In Ghost Game it was reversed so the shotas were being hunted by horny digimon waifus.

>>101101 IIRC it went through some development problems where they had to replace the original developers and start from scratch in a different engine. I guess the sort of pitch is that you play through your own season of the show, and the tactics stuff is there to facilitate action scenes, for example you can evolve your partner in different ways based on your dialog derived personality, and being able to actually battle with the makes those results matter a bit more. It also let them add a recruitment element so you can get the Digimon you like the most onto your team.

Talking about Digimon, did you guys see the MMO that's getting a collab with Digimon? It's not a Digimon MMO, like the jump that got made, but it is a step closer.

>>101102 Yeah, I suppose it does. Don't have to be happy about it though. >>101103 Massive development issues answers any questions one might have about peculiarities in a project. That baseline concept sounds fun enough on paper though, I could get behind that. >>101104 Digimon has had a fan mmo for ages iirc. It's not very good.

>>101104 I have not heard of this. But it interests me. Any place I can read more about it? >>101105 >Yeah, I suppose it does. Don't have to be happy about it though. It seems all anime has a fixation on little girls.

>>101081 the upcoming digimon series, beatbreak, is apparently going to have a digimon named cougarmon. The chances of this being a waifumon are fairly low since it's apparently a partner mon, but I hold out hope.

>>101105 I mean, a jrpg game being mostly a VN with some tactics elements is not that uncommon. Like the Devil survivor games or that not-danganronpa one with 100 endings.

>>101071 Yeah I can't find shit either. Sorry bro.

>>101109 don't worry man, I already found a good place. furarchiver(dot)net

>>101106 Trigun and Dragon Ball Z come to mind. >>101108 I don't care for either genre so this being news to me is not surprising.

>>101108 Why are Japs so for VN replacing every cut scene in games? I do not understand the appeal for exposition dumps with cardboard cutouts of characters. If you want to dump info with minimal effort just keep a normal dialog box in the game

>>101088 Kemonogamis are cool, fuck you

>>101113 No. Fuck you.

>>101114 Robots and AI will never be kino

>>101115 Jokes on you I, Robot is already a movie.

>>101115 FUCK THE ROBOT SHINJI

>>101112 I find it a bit amusing that the Japanese are the origin points of both infinite exposition (endless VN cutscenes with tons of dialog and information) and negative exposition (Fromsoft leaving you with more questions than anwers).

>>101118 >Please... Forgive me... But, i must go all out. Just this once...

>>101118 That dates all the way back to at least Super Mario Bros starting you off in 1-1 but then waxing poetically about the plight of citizens transformed into bricks in manuals, then further back into Donkey Kong with Mario's girlfriend Pauline, and then even further back.

>>101118 My favorite is the 'I mentioned something from a scene 10 minutes ago, so let's flashback to the whole dialogue since you clearly don't remember it'.

>>101120 I am just waiting for the tutorial catching in Pokemon to become a 30+ minute unsinkable VN where you have to learn the entire history of pokeballs first. Followed by a cutsceen and another 30 minutes of talking.

>>101121 The official translations for Danganronpa makes everything even fucking stupider sounding so it's way more noticeable.

>>101119 And yet it doesn't stop being sick. I'm excited to read the boss weapon descriptions so I can learn how Zanzibart was actually a total asshole and start empathizing with Myrmidon (the guy I killed minutes previously). >>101120 I mean that was just how videogames were. The game was for gaming, and whatever weird ass story there might be was in the booklet (I miss those) or in supplemental materials. >>101121 And you can't just skip because what if they actually say something important? "Okay, what the fuck are we doing now?"

>>101122 Gen 7 was pretty ruthless with the cutscenes early on.

>>101125 Gonna be honest, the Sun and Moon hand holding and constant cut scenes made me quit.

>>101126 I did not finish my copy of Moon, but I did finish Y and Sword, because as messy as they were they still just let you get to the game. I hated that shit.

>>101125 Gen 8 had some pretty terrible moments as well. I distinctly remember one toward the late game where they had you talk to characters down the block from the next checkpoint that they honestly could've condensed into one unbroken cutscene but didn't for what I'm guessing was a silly technical reason or programming oversight where they added one of those two in later and didn't think to batch them.

>>101128 Oh Gen 8 was bad. I will not argue. The ending sections were absolute dogshit. It wasn't doing it constantly at least, and it balanced things out with novelty. I was still put iff enough that I just stopped buying Pokemon games after that though.

>>101107 >being a waifumon are fairly low since it's apparently a partner mon But there are multiple waifumons that are partnermons, thoubeit.

>Kirby Star-Crossed World is out >final boss is already uploaded >the big bad turns out to be Elfilis's older brother, who is so pissed about his little bro getting his shit beat in by a bunch of mortals and failing to conquer Earth that he crashes into the planet solely to find and pimp slap Kirby and Elfilin for murdering his brother If the next couple Kirby games involve Elfilis's species basically being a bunch of eldritch space cultivators and starting a cosmic blood feud because Kirby murdered two of their family members I am going to laugh. Anyways, you know what you need to do Shard.

>>101131 Huh, this guy with the ribbon dino in the bottom corner has an unreasonably cool design for a digimon character. I'm used to all of them looking like normal kids amd dweebs.

>>101132 Oh yeah and the Starries turn out to be cosmic protector spirits that go around sealing cosmic scale threats. They're heavily implied to have been the ones who originally sealed Galacta Knight (who is now hyped to have been capable of destroying the entire galaxy) which is why Genwel's heart prison resembles his crystal and why the back half of his theme has Galacta Knight's theme in it. They are the setting's Bigger Kirbies.

>>101131 Unfortunately I think Cougarmon evolves into this, so it's unlikely.

>>101133 That's one of the main characters of the digi card game manga. It has some good designs.

>>101134 Post a Galacta Knight build.

>>101135 Looks cool; makes me think Leomon except dog, which is weird as it clearly has a cat tail. >>101136 Neat, I've heard they've had multiple assorted manga series over the years.

Would the Witchblade be close enough to a transformation device to import into hings like Power Ranger Morphers and Kamen Rider Belts do you think?

>>100880 I feel as if there is a Power Girl has huge tits joke going on in this world, but to jumper she is as flat as everyone else. Lego anatomy is just weird.