>>133239 Both ways, perks of being a hivemind. Though if I had to pick one arms, specifically because improving grip strength mysteriously improves many seemingly unrelated parts of your health. >>133219 Tullius already kind of comes across like he's cracking under the pressure of simultaneously being an Imperial patriot and a sympathiser to the local Skyrim population while also being vividly aware of how evil the Thalmor are. He is definitely a fairly high speech check because of how much sunk cost fallacy he has put into the campaign, but I would say he should be a lower speech check than say-Legate Lanius over in New Vegas. >>133252 >bind Potema Septim Anon no, you might catch something. Probably everything. >>133206 He is a normal guy trained by a secret assassin group, Nasu just thinks secret assassin groups can teach you to do some really fucking weird things that are not strictly speaking magecraft. >>133200 It's so weird to me how Vader has this entire comic storyline where the universe basically conspires to beat him over the head with his old mistakes, from Palpatine repeatedly smacking him around when he gets uppity to getting into a convoluted espionage-off with a former handmaiden who just happens to look like Padme. He is basically more the main character of Star Wars than Luke is at this point, especially now the threat of Abeloth is no longer canon (yet) and Rey's the one who dealt with Palpatine returning (somehow). >>133170 I would've recommended having Literal blood in Fables for that sort of thing, personally. Though personally I became the half-Literal of Powerscaling (with full Literal powers thanks to Heir of JUMPER and similar perks) instead. >>133119 Honestly curious, what do you hate about me and/or my work? >>132901 I just threw a "create your own heroic nemesis, just add water, more than 200% befriending pink beams included" kit into Megamind's lair and fucked off while being sexually harassed by a flying brick woman trying to teach me the "error" of my "ways". >>132503 Typhoon seems to be rolling in, hope it sticks around so I get another day off work tomorrow.

>>133288 If you were gonna kill the thread you could've at least had a new thread ready to go. Like, I did that for all of the frog editions I made.

I now understand that having 360 degree senses would be horrible. The sight and hearing would be useful, but the smell and taste must suck. So many unwashed people and even worse. But I still want it for the other aspect of seeing and hearing everything around me.

>>133291 I don't have many frog images saved with actual names so I spent too long trying to find them. Also I had to delete a post just to make that the final post, I didn't have time to prep a new OP.

>>133292 How about getting AOE function omniscience instead?

>>133280 I think the last section is still machine-translation only, isn't it? >>133285 >Isn't it still incomplete? iirc I thought the latest part was the final one?

>>133293 Ah, that's a good point. I shoved the sixty images I got off of Safebooru into their own dedicated "Frog" folder, so it'd be easy for me to find them

>>133283 Five, guys?

Would you guys say a custom rpg job thats a magical mix of netrunner and ripperdoc that works via implanting and creating magical technology (thinking basically enchanted stuff that allowa you to use spell apps), kinda like an artificer wizard doctor hybrid is more powerful, less powerful, or around equal in power to an archmage/saint/sword sage? Im gonna call it "Chrome Shaman" and while it is primariy a crafting and support class it has potential to have some firepower depending on what all you build and implant etc.

>>133285 >Best girl Indeed my fellow of excellent taste. Right back at you >when Isn't it still incomplete? Its been complete, and the translation is pretty great excluding a few words. But they mostly get patched out since Its AI with human >>133295 Its machine translated and then checked by a person, Its actually very well done excluding a rare word, but other than that its great, AI has come a long way

Frogs are overrated.

Is this the latest Overlord guild supplement or was there a newer one?

>>133298 I think that that mostly sounds like you're a wizard that grabbed the Inscribe Magical Tatoo feat and reskinned it to being tech themed?

Chainbutt: You get a chain but you can only have four companions, and they all have to be dudes. Five guys chain. If you are a woman you must become a man at the earliest chance and stay that way. Pic semi-related, pretend there's a fifth guy in the trunk.

>>133303 meant to link to >>133297

>>133269 While it may not be the best for self-inserting as a deity, In Nomine is a good place to start a native chain as a god. This is mostly because it's one of the worlds a lowercase-g god would most want to leave, especially after Uriel's Purity Purge. >Jump-Chan: "What's up my dude-" >Rando, God of Somethingorother, whose neopagan cult is being eaten by demons and whose original cultists were massacred by Malakim of Purity 1500 years ago: "GET ME THE HELL OUT OF HERE" >Jump-Chan: "Okay no problem"

>>133302 Its for gen isekai jump so Im trying to ballpark the level, I was thinking of just rolling in with it and setting up shop in some big city kingdom and trying my hand at being the first of my class.

>>133303 >Pic semi-related, pretend there's a fifth guy in the trunk. Why pretend there's a guy in the trunk? The fifth dude's obviously the cameraman

>>133294 I got it due to last thread asking about Megamind and decided to sink most of my powers into pure perception. I have no idea how to be a hero based on that, but the expanded senses are going to be a bitch.

>>133305 Thats a cool idea for a cheat ability. Call it "Contractor", you can let immortal beings like gods and demons know of you and do jobs for them in exchange for favors or powers.

>>133307 Just you, your three bros, and the cameraman.

>>133308 Ahh. You could make for a wonderful investigative/support hero? Find someone with more upfront powers and become their guy in the chair

>>133303 I'd take a boy-band chain, sure. ...just gotta decide what would be the best jump to go to to grab some bros. Perhaps a D&D or Pathfinder one?

>>133269 Generic Divinity is pretty cool

>>133313 >fucking Pokebrat Christ, we need to filter redditors like you better.

>>133314 wait till you see out of context supplements

Im working on the world details for my gen isekai build, how does this look? Any suggestions? The planet circles a star, the star system slowly circles a black hole. It is in a strange yet stable revolution, never getting close, never getting further away. It is called the abyss and it is theorized to be the home of demons, where monsters all come from, and where magic was born. It radiates darkness and its halo is proof of the gods benevolence as they keep it contained and protect the world. Sadly this means the gods power is largely kept locked up preventing the growth of the abyss and this is why their mortal hands and churches exist. Dungeons are fragmenta of the abyss which fell to ground from the sky, parts of the sky broken and shattered into fragments and flooding the land with magical energy as well as warping the caverns they dug from their impacts and growth into new lands, creating treasures and creatures from nothing but their energy. Great danger and wealth can be found in their halls and as such many a city has sprung up around them after a garrison has been built to contain what may flood out. Should a monster escape the dungeon it is possible for it to survive, if multiple escape they may form a breeding population. Once every hundred years the abyss weeps its tears of darkness from the sky to drop the seeds of new dungeons across the land though very few will survive the impact and fewer still will manage to form their own dungeons. Even the few that do will take decades to grow to fruition.

Does Gilgamesh actually have hands or is he a Noble Phantasm merchant?

>>133317 He has some minor hands, but still loses to Shirou or any other dedicated fighter in a direct gimmickless fight

>>133314 I don't go to reddit and I just use jumps I think are neat

>>133316 Seems good

>>133319 You're as bad as one for using Reddit jumps.

>>133317 He should have hands given that his IRL mythology counterpart wrestled Enkidu for like a week straight back when Enkidu was a crazy weirdo beast man, but I believe in Fate they mostly just threw random bullshit at each other instead. I still remember one of my old Servant concepts which was just Gilgamesh if he took people to Wrestelmania.

>>133317 I mean in his legend he is noted to be an incredible wrestler and iirc flattened a mountain while trading hands with Enkidu.

>>133317 He does, but he mostly relies on NP spam for basically anyone he thinks is beneath him.

>>133322 >I believe in Fate they mostly just threw random bullshit at each other instead. Correct, even in the Extra flashbacks IIRC Gil and Enkidu's stalemate was just them throwing shit at each other. He has enough stat benefits from being a demigod to not blow away like a paper towel when Artoria is hitting him and to actually swing his stuff around in Extra where he is feeling more cooperative, but melee is absolutely not his forte. >>133317 He is such a Noble Phantasm merchant that in Samurai Remnant he LARPs as a literal merchant. Technically this makes him an incredible warrior simply because he is a one-man logistics hub and weapons platform for NPs. Technically you could even say this is godlike power in the sense that Divine Spirits themselves have been typically shown to fight by summoning and shooting things at their enemies with iconic weapons being treated as finishing movees (Quetz is very much the exception to the rule, and explicitly because she got hooked on modern lucha libre)

>>132897 Nah. She killed a few people while she was getting a handle on how pathetic modern humans were, but once she had it down she went out of her way to not kill any of the people she was draining. Still not great, but she could've been a lot worse with no long term consequences.

Seiba w/Avalon > Gilgamesh > Seiba > Heracles > Cu Chulainn > EMIYA > = nerfed Shirou Seiba > = Sasaki > Medusa > Medea > Hassan

>>133327 Seiba w/Avalon is somewhat reliant on Gil having fought her without Avalon before. Otherwise he doesn't get caught flat-footed when she uses it since he'd bother to pay attention to notice she has Avalon. She might still win anyway, but it wouldn't be as neat and there's a decent chance he can stall till she runs out of energy.

>>133327 This >>133328, also Medea belongs all the way at the bottom solely because in Camelot Cursed Arm at least managed to take out Tristan using his forbidden technique. I also feel you're being somewhat unfair to Medea due to her pegasus having a repeatable attack compared in F/SN at least to Excalibur, although it's really just nudging her one or two places upwards depending on how much stock you put in her agility and Blood Fort Andromeda. Kukulkan is still the strongest.

So what would happen if you use Put Our Hearts Together from Generic Sugar Bowl to “fix” the world in NWoD? Would it get rid of the Abyss? Would the Beasts all burst into flame?

>>133330 Ammut would get indigestion. Then she'd burp and accidentally close her mouth on the world, ending everything forever.

>>133330 Hell if I know. Even for a perk from an early jump, and a Generic at that, it's horribly vague as to what it actually does. It's probably supposed to be based on that trope of "now that the villain is beaten you do a musical number to celebrate and all the flowers grow back," but there's plenty of better perks out there for that (I think LoZ: LttP has one?).

>>133263 Alright, so it's weird and up to you to fanwank. On one hand, at one point Elders WERE stronger than Sarkaz in general, but they've gotten all weaker with age. You can wank that 11th King makes you a genetic throwback if you want. Also, this is more about Jump design nonsense, but consider that a 600 race can't be discounted, while 11th King can be. >What I got from the perk by itself, or a 600 race by itself, is that it grants you less starting power than say, becoming a Emperor’s blade, but if you train hard enough, you can surpass them on stats. This is kind of a wacky statement but the spirit of it is accurate. >I remember someone mentioning that a wendigo was stronger than a Emperor’s blade. Something about taking a several Emperor’s blades to take down a village, while requiring only three wendigoes to do the same? I could've been having a schizophrenic episode that time, not too sure. You're thinking of the PV for Episode 7. "Five groups of shieldmen can slaughter a squad of knights; Four Royal Guards can wipe a settlement off the map; Three Wendigos can conquer a small town," is that part of the quote. I will however note that not all Royal Guards are EBs, like Red (unless you take that as implying that Emperor's Blades can literally just retire with no ill-effect, which sounds fucking ridiculous). >Havent used that since the last kazdelian war. I can't believe it's already been a month... >Yeah. I was just wondering how to explain that. The only explanation you need to give is, "I'm built different."

>>133311 Yeah, that could work. One of the other sense powers was the detective sense. So I am imagining that being like videogame highlighting objects and tracks. Would be very useful when following the glowing foot prints

>>133330 It would fix all currently active effects like Abyssal Verges and Wounds to Inferno, but the broader horrors would still be there on the other side to re-cause the issues afterwards.

>>133330 Ah shit, you're really making me put the trip back on aren'tcha. I thought the Gil thing was at least removed enough from Mahoyo not to count but well, Sundered Age is a multi-splat crossover. ANYWAY the honest answer is you would have to ask WakfuAnon because it is a simple perk that attempts to posit a simple solution for a simple setting. WakfuAnon is no longer, so you're stuck with me. If, IF you can put your trust in me I swear that once WakfuAnon was asked a similar question about using the perk in 40K and he said it would probably just purify one planet. I cannot remember where the exact quote is so I will just leave this point and move on. Based on the themes presented by the media the jump is based on unfortunately it would be less likely to KILL Beasts and more likely to redeem them. If we accept that the perk is "only" planetary in scale it doesn't touch the Abyss at all due to the Abyss being as much a state of being as an adjacent dimension, and if we accept it does-unfortunately the most likely outcome is that the Exarchs take much more direct action in worsening the world, with you at the top of their shitlist. The GOOD news is that the Exarchs have been repeatedly implied to have their powerbase dependent on the symbology of their dominance reflected in the phenomenal world, so potentially the perk could significantly weaken their grip on the Supernal-leaving their enemies in the Ascension War in a better position and potentially even incentivising their subordinates to start backstabbing. The God-Machine wouldn't necessarily react with hostility but like the Exarchs it would likely send in angels to enforce the status quo. The True Fae and the Judges of Duat don't give a shit for opposite reasons and continue doing what they're doing; it's questionable if it would affect the Rite of Return or Titles because again both draw on forces that technically go outside "the world". It is impossible to determine how the Principle and it's Qashmallim/Lilim would react; the nWoD being cynical as it is I have to imagine they would go about fomenting more violent change to enact their natures. The Deathlords, Akathartoi and Maeljin Incarnae would probably be less annihilated than banished/sealed due to again sitting outside "the world" of nWoD most jumps start in-and like, just not necessarily banished permanently, just shunted aside due to the temporary scrubbing of Bad Things. Assuming even some malevolent beings are left I could see all of them slowly regaining footholds. I guess Spider/Rat hosts and the like would probably be erased. Actually there's probably going to be a wholesale spirit genocide despite the perk not primarily being lethal due to how many spirits are dependent on Bad Things and how the perk broadly scrubs away Bad Things with a gang of niggers's understanding. Finally nWoD has a bunch of vaguely defined monsters that could potentially go inert, dissolve, or return to humanity on a case by case basis too situational to really judge appropriately. TLDR even if you fix the world, there's too many malevolent cosmic beings waiting in the wings who are both more powerful than most of the world and exist outside it to continue making it a worse place again. If nothing else the Abyss, the Supernal Realms, the God-Machine and Lower Depths all continue existing outside "the world". >>133331 I am not sure Ammut would even notice it, honestly. Ammut has never once commented on Sutek's intervention, she's kind of used to playing the long game by the modern time of the setting.

>>133327 Cookies>>>

Is there anyone in the Disgaea setting competent enough to take along for the ride despite their eccentricity? Also, how big are Netherworlds? I never could get a good idea back when I played the game.

>>133339 >competent enough You are in the wrong setting.

>>133339 Kurtis

>>133334 I could having fucking SWORN that Red was ex-Royal Guard, but I've scoured his every story appearance and I can't find any mention of it. Damn.

>>133339 >Is there anyone in the Disgaea setting competent enough to take along for the ride despite their eccentricity? Adell mostly has a good head on his shoulders, but he'll insist on bringing his family and friends along and they...are not sane, to put it simply. Valvatorez is also decent, but he's a naive idiot who would do anything for sardines and would insist in bringing the Prinnies so decide if you wnat that kind of energy or your chain. Honestly, your best bet wouod be trying to find a way to bring the Holy Guardian variants of the Disgaea cast from the gacha along instead, because they're far more mature and less unhinged in general. >Also, how big are Netherworlds? Massively varies. Generally, I've seen them treated as entire distinct realities in their own right but you can also have Netherworlds that are seemingly mostly planets/solar systems. Then there's Trinity Universe which includes a cavlacade of everything from the rest of Nippon Ichi's IPs yet seems to insist the Netheruniverse is a Netherworld composing a singular massive universe that connects them all.

>>133338 Do you have the most recent CRK jump WIP on hand, by any chance? I don't remember when it was posted.

>>133331 Ah, but maybe Ammut is diabetic and the Sugar Bowlness will put her in a coma. >>133332 >>133336 Fair. >>133337 Thanks for the detailed answer. That all makes sense and I also think I remember the ruling that it only work on the one planet. Bit sad that it won't remove the Abyss, but it still sounds more than worth doing overall. >the perk broadly scrubs away Bad Things with a gang of niggers's understanding Ah, I do so love the shenanigans word filters inflict around here.

>>133344 Here ya' go.

>>133345 >word filters Whelp, we making it out of the metaphysical hood with this one. More seriously without subjecting you to more Supernal dream logic about how despite the Phenomenal being the Lie and the Supernal being the Truth making the lie reflect the Truth can instantiate a particular vision of reality held by a Lie-born individual, I will just repeat with emphasis that out all the malevolent factions the Exarchs probably would be the most disrupted and depowered by the mundane world suddenly becoming a nicer, less hostile place due to their dominance over Earth being heavily implied to be crucial for their continued stranglehold on cosmic power. Even if the perk can't remove the Abyss on it's own, it could well be a massive assist for another archmage or True God's plan to.

>>133346 Thanks, Argent!

This is a WIP for the abridged series. Let me know what you guys think of the "Servant" section in this real quick

>>133317 Yes, Gil can actually fight. He's not as good at it as other powerful Heroic Spirits but that's a high bar, though if he's actually fighting someone in melee he's either playing with Clay or getting his shit pushed in because someone already overcame his far stronger carpet bombing jutsu.

>>133347 >the Exarchs probably would be the most disrupted and depowered by the mundane world suddenly becoming a nicer, less hostile place Definitely worth doing then. Thanks again, Shard! >>133349 >Let me know what you guys think of the "Servant" section in this real quick Looks fine to me. Being Gil in this version of the setting should cost a lot, and the Servant perks seem fitting.

>>133347 >>133351 I think it should be noted that the Exarchs implicitly keep the Tetrarchs around for theoretical situations like this, where they need boots on the ground to get shit back in order/manage the status quo.

>>133349 Any chance you could include some flavor in the Gilgamesh based perks kicking some Shinji perks that were seemingly in those slots to the curb in complete and utter contempt?

>>133353 What?

>>133354 I THINK he wants you to have the Gilgamesh origin/perks roleplay beating up a Shinji based origin/perks?

>>133354 Don't mind me, looking at the perks titles that seemed Gil based in the Worst (Shinji) tree made me think of Abridged Gil trying to get Shirou and Rin to just murder Shinji. >>133355 Exactly, though it's kind of a silly idea.

>>133356 Modern Mage is the Shinji tree. The Worst is Kirei/Gil

>>133352 Theoretically, sure. That's probably the more immediate threat compared to a desperate Exarch resorting to sending their ochemata or god-slaves to come micromanage everything. I have to wonder how effective they'd be in practice though, given the average Tetrarch is driven by ambition to climb the metaphysical corporate ladder and remaining on the winning team as much as genuine faith in Exarch righteousness.

>>133358 Consider that an Archmage's ascension outside of direct Exarchal gifts requires the Exaltation of a set of Omens they'd have decided on at prior points. Tetrarchs are highly likely to be stuck with what they went with while operating on pro-Exarch assumptions, and are thus massively incentivized to get things back on track.

>>133359 That is also a fair point. Poor Tetrarchs. Stuck fighting like cornered rattlesnakes all because all their conspiring didn't account for someone else being able to show up and drop a much more efficient Mystery Play on the whole planet that happens to unravel centuries if not millennnia's worth of diligently making the world a worse place.

>>133352 Yeah, but Tetrarchs are much easier to deal with by just shooting them in the face, or other suchlike, than the Exarchs are.

>>133223 Hey, hey, I have a great work ethic. It's real life that keeps getting in the way. what kinda jumps you thinking of?

Does your jumper ban golobohomo from entering their empire?

>>133364 Natural resources. Also Ethiopia does not deserve to catch a stray like that Just restrict nuking to Subsahara Africa

>>133365 BY genetics all men are 100% straight and all women are bisexual leaning towards men. The govt promotes having two wives per man.

Sooo…if you went into OWoD and an item you had retcon’d into existence 2.5-3 billion incredibly zealous Hellenists who fervently believed that modern science is junk and the Homeric cosmology is literally true, all concentrated in Europe, North Africa and the Near East, how badly would that fuck over the Technocracy’s consensus in the affected areas? Also, would that just make new versions of the Greek deities, or would it revive the Firstborn/True Fae Olympians who died out from muh science?

>>133361 At the very least, they are very well equipped to start making things worse again. I think we also have to define what constitutes "harm to the planet" for this Perk's functioning, which I, personally, would consider to be active Exarchal intrusion on the world. I imagine it would terminate all Iron Seal environmental effects, all Exarch-aspected Verges, all Temple-Prelacy Demesnes, and on-planet Ochema. I think that stuff like the impact they've had on the development of society, as well as the lives of Seers themselves, would remain, meaning they probably still have the infrastructure to maintain relevance, someone just inexplicably crashed all their cameras and trashed their supply depos for a time. >>133362 While this is correct, Archmages are still Archmages, and tend to be mildly resistant to being shot in the face.

>>133368 It would massively, MASSIVELY tank their ability to use Enlightened Gadgets there. Pretty much the only places they'd be able to keep on trucking along unaffected are whatever regions are unaffected, and space.

>>133365 It can't exist because my current jumper is a tyrant, a dick, and petty enough to allow no one to have that much fun fucking with people if it isn't him.

>>133364 Plenty of reasons, depending on your point of view, but I suspect you won't consider most of them valid. That is to say, the way you present the question indicates that you already believe the answer is "no" and you're begging for thread to agree with you.

>>133364 The reason is that cocksucking one of the most retarded nations in human history is pathetic, and you should probably chase a bag or get some bitches. Do a money spread too.

>>133365 Also if the designs were more like this the game would have ended up like a shittier valorant instead of a complete disaster.

>>133365 What's crazy to me is that 'the professor' thought this was going to be a Star Wars level multimedia franchise.

>>133365 Nah. The gays are alright. It’s the realism-stans who must be humbled.

>>133368 It would essentially cripple them, possibly on a level reaching what occurred during the Welek of Nightmares.

>>133364 Well you're pointlessly eliminating a large cache of gold, diamonds, platinum, copper, iron ore, energy, oil and natural gas, cocoa, coffee, cotton, fruit, cocoa products, fish and other native resources. Nuking is pointlessly inefficient unless you can feed on radioactive fallout. >>133365 There is no point. By the time I take over all ideologies and agencies are folded into the new world order, and the entertainment industry is severely gutted to spend more money on building aentropic reactors. >>133369 That is also true, and all of that sounds reasonable although I wonder if a very weird Ochema or a Temple-Prelacy demesne that happens to be a vital cornerstone of modern civilisation's function (imagine an Exarch that has taken over the management of a pharmaceutical company or hospital for example, or an Ochema currently infiltrating a school board) would be eliminated by the perk due to causing greater suffering from their sudden and unannounced absence. The fundamental problem with defining the perk's interactions with nWoD is that it's interacting with bad guys who don't just give up and go home when their first evil plan goes kaput. At least Princess finally gets an outside-splat win if it's canon to your chain. >>133368 Assuming you retconned in actual, no-bullshit oWoD humans and not soulless clones or something, then by default that completely screws over the Technocracy's consensus and possibly the Technocracy if suddenly a significant part of their membership suddenly starts yelling about Dionysus. >would that Yes. The answer is yes. https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Umbra#Astral_Reaches https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Astral_Reaches#Denizens https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Elemental_Courts We are going to be stuck here with me spamming walls of text and random anons taking SAN damage if I have to explain the goddamn metaphysical structure of oWoD from start to finish so I'm going to try to cut to the important parts: There are gradients of godhood. There is the actual Lucifer (creation and shard of God, fallen angel) and there is also the idea of Lucifer, for example. These idea-gods typically manifest in a spirit realm of sorts called the Umbra. You can broadly think of the Umbra as being like the Warp in 40K, except more shaped by human consciousness than any of the gods dwelling there, and foundational to reality rather than apart from it. The specific type of god humans (via mages) interact with the most is the idea/icon type of god, which as you can see sometimes pops up in the Umbra. Mages can actually BECOME gods. It's considered a sort of fail state-a cushy fail state, but you're forever locked into being the bringer of war or whatever. There is precedent for incredible zeal reinventing a minor spirit into an Incarna (very powerful spirit, no relation to the ones from Exalted. Probably); Computer is an example of the Technocracy itself co-opting one. The most likely outcome of this retcon is something similar; mythological gods have a strong foothold in the Umbra even after falling out of fashion as shown by the Pashupatastra Astra incorporating the rock Cain used to kill Abel to become a weapon potentially capable of destroying the concept of death, so an influx of belief would likely make them more powerful and able to influence the physical world. Simultaneously though, it's correct to assume these conditions would make the world GREATLY more suitable for fairies to inhabit. Therefore, the most likely outcome is two entirely different set of Olympians running on completely different metaphysics showing up and declaring THEY'RE the real Olympians (and if you believe Lilith's account of the history of reality, maybe in another universe/multiverse/"garden" there's a bunch of Bigger Olympians just sadly shaking their head at how YHWH's experiment has become so fucked up that he's having a schizo meltdown with his own imaginary friends)

>>133379 The Week of Nightmares was less the Technocracy getting crippled and more like that one clip from Spongebob where all the office workers in his brain are running in circles screaming incoherently while everything is on fire.

>>133371 >my current jumper is a tyrant, a dick, and petty enough to allow no one to have that much fun fucking with people if it isn't him So, your jumper IS the globohomo.

>>133290 >I would've recommended having Literal blood in Fables for that sort of thing, personally. Though personally I became the half-Literal of Powerscaling (with full Literal powers thanks to Heir of JUMPER and similar perks) instead. Duly noted & added to the chain list, that's a ridiculously good perk to have in mind. It won't be a starting jump considering I intend on ending my time with Generic Isekai with a bang as the world Jumper gets transported to eventually collapses due to the runaway effect of missusing summoning magic + the dimensional crisis becoming completely unavoidable due to the top gods spending the majority of their time sabotaging each other to the point it's no different than a DC Dark Multiverse at its lowest & idiocracy in full swing. But it would likely be one of the early ones before I go to the likes of Slime & Overlord. >>133303 Free trip with the bros? That's so easy (& basically asking to start in a TF or Super Sentai jump so that we can already gain a method to combine together). I'll take it.

>>133365 I wouldn't mind the design they settled on if her colors matched.

You know how the Yozi keep Sacheverell asleep because if he wakes up his sight will damn all of existence to complete predestination? What do you think would happen to Creation if he was killed into a Neverborn?

>>133368 The Void Engineers will probably be fine at first, mostly because they're in space. However, the moment they pop back in, they're the guy walking in with the pizzas while the room is on fire and everyone else is losing it. Iteration X, the Syndicate, the New World Order, and the Progenitors, on the other hand, are immediately going to have problems but MAY be able to pull on resources from elsewhere to recover, unless the wider metaphysical consequences blow up all their other resources too. On the other hand, this is ALSO going to screw over the Traditions, because none of THEIR Paradigms are compatible with Homeric cosmology either. Etherites and Mercurials are too Techy, Verbenae are too Celtic/Germanic, the Chakravanti and Akashayana are too Dharmic, the Sahajiya are too Vedic, the Choristers are monotheists, the Kha'vadi are a mishmash of a ton of 'shamanic' traditions that aren't Greek enough to work here, and the Hermetics are more Neoplatonist than Homeric.

>>133365 >SB took away sexy chocolate super soldier babe THEY CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS!

>>133382 Well no, because instead of really bad propaganda he'd fuck with his citizens by literally showing up to their house despite having a continent wide empire to run, ruining their kids birthday, then leaving while saying no one would ever believe them.

>>133385 Do not.

>>133389 but i wanna

Which settings give their fallen angels a cool aesthetic I can steal? Black wings and nothing else is a pretty basic bitch look, appropriate for formerly great beings who've lost their luster by being severed from God, but not so much for a jumper who's clawing his way up from mortality towards godhood.

>>133391 Digimon

>>133344 I want Guardian Tales

>>133385 Nothing. Sacheverell is contained by knowledge he is just a bit character in a TTRPG his slumber. The standard outcome for the Neverborn is solipsistic entombment and agony. The Calendar of Setesh and the geomantic barrier around Stygia alone was enough to stifle their influence around portions of the Underworld in their current state. It's not clear they were even conscious enough to do more than crudely corrupt things with their dreams before they were cracked open by First Age sorcerers. >>133391 DC, ironically. The desecration of hell can reduce an angel to anything from an ugly stunted gremlin thing to a non-euclidean amalgamation of body parts to twin beings made of mind-scarring colors to actually a pretty normal-looking angel. Just, a mean one. It is kind of rude to just go over to someone who has suffered unimaginable torment and spiritual defilement, solely to LARP as them because you think it looks cool though.

>>133380 >Umbra how do I destroy this

>>133290 Actually Tullius hasn't even been in Skyrim that long. So it's pretty funny that 1. He immediately btfos Ulfric and 2. Immediately begins feeling like the people of Skyrim have it rough, and that the Thalmor would be a better way to spend his time and energy.

>>133395 I like how this also works for the elder scrolls version. Fuck that sword.

>>133375 >shittier Valorant Is that not just shittier Overwatch (having played neither)?

>>133398 >Valorant It's CSGOverwatch.

>>133391 Demon: The Fallen, technically

>>133391 Demon the Descent has them looking like various shades of biomechanical, fully robotic, or digital monstrosities. Like, the closest to what you dislike is, "Human with wings made of jagged metal and gears," but they can be crazy masses of electronics with shit like bundles of CTV cameras for a head and automatic firearms poking out of their forearms, with their whole bodies made of various metals and wirings.

>>133395 So, remember the sharp rock I mentioned? You get it by having sex with Kali as a man or at least a divine being who sorta looks like Kali. After that you need power equivalent to armies' worth of damned souls, and then you can use it to destroy the Umbra realm that contains the 10th sphere. This will calcify and necrotise all of existence. Unfortunately destroying the Umbra results in bad shit happening. Alternatively you can RELEASE the power of the 10th Sphere to all humanity, who will destroy it as a side effect of every human becoming a little capital-G God and remaking the setting to their liking. (This all assumes a cosmology where the Tenth Sphere isn't just the Nyarlathotep expy's scheme to usher in his eldritch masters to take over reality) >>133396 I imagine the dragons showing up greatly worsened his opinion of life in Skyrim.

>>133396 It's really funny how the Stormcloaks are literally just Thalmor puppets inciting civil war to weaken the Empire.

>>133385 It's kinda stupid that sacheverell could even theoretically do that.

I always thought Demon Slayer took place in Feudal Japan but then I saw the main villain dressed as Michael Jackson in Smooth Criminal

>>133403 I genuinely don't even believe they had it planned, I think he just went full retard in such an unbelievable way they had no choice but to capitalize on it.

>>133405 IIRC it's set in the Taisho era.

>>133406 Yeah. They let him go with the understanding that after they broke him psychologically he'd be a chaotic element in an important Imperial province. They aren't in contact with him, nor do they have any control over him, he's just naturally doing what they want him to do. They also covertly support the Stormcloaks, but they're careful not to let it be obvious because as much of an self-serving dumbass as Ulfric is, he would throw any help back in their face out of spite if he knew it was them.

>>133405 I think it's set around WW1 era.

>>133408 If jumper got the Thalmor at the meeting to accidentally shout this out by pissing her off enough, how would Tullius and Ulfric react, I wonder?

You know i always hear anons talk about Monster Girl Encyclopaedia and Mamono Mana, but never about Monster Girl Quest. What's up with that?

>>133399 Counterstrike has done more damage to the video game industry than anyone could possibly comprehend.

>>133411 I feel it's another incendiary setting that ignites debate with all the murderous monster girls and all that

>>133405 Tanjiro and his friends are going to banzai charge into trenchlines.

>>133410 >Ulfric He’d declare it to be another Thalmor lie.

>>133411 Monster Girl Quest is less popular, partly because it doesn't fit as well into the idea of being an overpowered hero turning a bunch or monster girls into his harem.

>>133411 They're different settings?

>>133411 MGs are meaner there.

>>133411 nobody can actually keep track of what the fuck the lore is doing

>>133414 They are NOT jujutsu sorcerers so they're getting cooked by machine gun fire

>>133410 Tullius would just be surprised it was actually said out loud, Ulfric would either be unwilling to believe it, or completely unsurprised, but call her a liar because he still wants to be high king. I don't think Bethesda decided whether or not Ulfric is just so slimy he doesn't care that he's aiding the Thalmor, or that dumb.

>>133404 Look, it’s like Itachi being a genin prodigy or Kenpachi being able to cut his way out of getting tossed into space. Some people are just built different. >>133411 Too mean for the majority of anons, not eldritch enough for me. Good effort though on the part of the actually world-destroying monstergirls, I have to say, even though like Oboro I am getting the distinct impression I am interested in the exact parts of the setting the rest of the fandom shuns like lepers.

>>133408 It's actually a bit more focused than that. The Thalmor tortured Ulfric for months for information about the Empire's weaknesses despite actually already knowing what they wanted him to tell them. They did this because they specifically wanted Ulfric to believe that he was responsible for the fall of several important cities, all the while psychologically grooming him into being an explosive powder keg before letting him loose back into Skyrim after the war. So the Thalmor aren't controlling Ulfric. They just kind of nudged him in the direction they wanted him to go and let him do his thing from there, all the while quietly manipulating the political climate in Skyrim and deliberately stoking the bitterness between the Empire and Stormcloaks to ensure that peaceful resolution never becomes an option.

>>133423 Indeed. Ulfric Stormcloak himself is in no position to be playing politics or waging war. He is a deeply traumatized man building a cult of personality and lashing out at the world in an attempt to reclaim some form of agency in his life in all the worst ways. You can get him to trade an ENTIRE HOLD to the Empire during Season Unending JUST to get Elenwen out of the room. Why? She's the one who tortured him, specifically. You can exploit his PTSD for significant territorial gains. He abandoned High Hrothgar and the Greybeards' training and teachings to fight in the Great War out of a sense of duty to his kin and the Empire, and what did that get him? Captured, tortured, gaslit into believing the fall of the Imperial City was SPECIFICALLY his fault, and then found out all of his comrades besides Galmar and Rikke died FOR NOTHING. This man does not need the Jagged Crown. This man does not need to be High King. This man does not even need Sovngarde (or the Soul Cairn if you're THAT person, you know who you are). This man needs therapy, a healthy outlet for his many many issues, and possibly medication depending on whether or not he experiences constant hallucinations of his comrades from his days in the Legion blaming him for their pointless deaths.

>>133423 You're also forgetting the fact that the only reason they even had an excuse to set up an embassy in Skyrim and start patrolling for talos worshippers was because he decided to be a total idiot in Markarth and break the concordant with the empires nominal backing behind him, like a tool. Then he got surprised the Empire didn't back him up for his unsolicited help in that regard, like a tool.

>>133391 There's Diablo, and then there was this from all those years back: https://www.angelarium.net/grigori

>>133412 Everything pre-CSGO was fine.

I still think deliberately LARPing as the explicitly inferior, degraded version of a formerly celestial being is weird. It’s like going down a stage in cultivation, permanently.

How likely would Aslan or his Dad be to to take issue with a jumper having powers from another setting's version of the Abrahamic God in the Chronicles of Narnia jump?

>>133428 Sometimes you've got to take a U-Turn to get back on the right road.

>>133428 Considering all the people here who LARP as Democrat supporting little girls, it's not that strange.

>>133429 That sort of depends on how much you know about Lewis' specific theology, doesn't it?

>>133424 >>133425 His actions in Markarth are particularly heinous considering the nature of the Forsworn. They actually captured Markarth with little bloodshed and were in the process of opening diplomatic channels with the Empire to acknowledge their territory as an independent nation and a part of the Empire when Ulfric essentially committed genocide against not only the Forsworn but absolutely everyone who didn't outright help his men repel them from the city and butcher them like animals. He did this after wheedling a promise from the High King to allow Talos worship despite knowing damn well that it went against the White-Gold Concordat and would directly lead to hostility with the Thalmor. Prior to Ulfric's little crusade, the Empire was perfectly willing and able to essentially just nod and tell the Thalmor that Talos worship sure was definitely banned in Skyrim despite literally everyone there obviously still worshipping Talos. But Ulfric's brutal campaign and insistence that Talos worship be legally recognized forced the Empire to allow the Thalmor into Skyrim to enforce the Concordat, which is exactly what the Thalmor wanted in the first place. Also, perhaps one of the most ironic facets of the whole story of Skyrim is that, in the very opening cinematic of the game, you see the Thalmor with General Tullius. The Stormcloaks think that they had something to do with their capture but you learn later on that the Thalmor were actually trying to convince Tullius to put off Ulfric's execution and were trying to actually free him behind the scenes before Alduin showed up. Since his death would result in a relatively decisive Imperial victory which is exactly what the Thalmor were trying to avoid. They wanted Ulfric to bleed as much of the Empire and Skyrim's resources and manpower as possible before he was inevitably crushed by the Imperial Legion, which are outright stated to be able to end the rebellion in a matter of weeks if they marched into the province but doing so would alienate the Nords even more than they already were. Tullius is essentially fighting with a local militia and not with the actual Imperial Legion, something he complains about constantly if you side with him.

>>133431 >Democrat supporting Well, there's another word filter. Democrat supporting Democrat supporting women.

>>133432 I think it more depends on Lewis' theology itself rather than my understanding of it, my lack therof is why I'm asking. I only read the books when I was way younger and only remember a few broad details beyond what was reinforced by watching the first movie.

>>133428 You say that, but said celestial beings tend to LARP as mortal humans all the time.

>people who liked Daima wouldn't stop bitching about Super >big baddy of Daima literally just turns into Big Jiren these niggas retarded

>>133437 Gomah only looks like Jiren, they're not similar in the slightest beyond lazy design

>>133428 >Fallen Angels are just Loose Immortals Kek.

>>133298 I mean all this heavily depends on how powerful you wank the classes to work. I've seen Isekai where Archmages only get some relatively weak elemental blasts and sword sages just get some minor stat boosts, but I've also seen Iskeai where they could essentially decide large scale battles by themselves. Most important wwould probably how much prep time and materials your chrome shaman needs by comparison. Like if he achives equal imporance but takes much longer and high expenses to get there it's probably weaker, if its specialized more important and only takes a little longer and and about as much money as the other classes regularly spend in supplies its probably about as powerful. If its a lot more powers in lots of specialized areas and can quickly and cheaply be prepared its notably more powerful.

>>133437 >People >Like Daima Anyone who liked that show was never a fan of Dragon Ball. I'm convinced at this point that the company is just putting out shit to show that the only reason people hated GT so much was because they were in a smaller more contained fandom that wouldn't stand for bullshit unlike today.

>>133411 MGQ is basically all the worst parts of Version 1 MGE but made even worse. Most people aren't vore or snuff fetishists who would enjoy it.

>>133433 And yet, outwardly, he's the perfect symbol for disaffected Nords to rally around. He's a proud and respected Jarl, a veteran of the Great War, a wielder of the Thu'um, he's tall and strong and lives in Ysgramor's own palace - on the surface, he looks like EXACTLY the right guy for the job of restoring Nordic pride and agency in a world where Skyrim's sons and daughters feel sidelined and unappreciated. That's what makes him, and the way he's processing his pain, dangerous. Sure, the Forsworn rightly hate him, but they're "Daedra-worshipping savages" anyway. What Nord would even bother regarding their point of view as legitimate? The Empire despises his recklessness and what it cost them, but who cares what those "puffed-up, arrogant Cyrodiils" think? Talos FOUNDED their Empire (the Mede Empire is technically a different thing, but how many Nords bothered learning that much history?), and they turned their backs on him! The Dunmer? Who cares what those "filthy elves" think about him? They're living in HIS city, they should be grateful he hasn't driven them out? The Argonians? Who cares? Not letting the Khajiit in? Nobody lets the Khajiit in, that's nothing worth worrying about! You get the picture.

All men want four things: >Work hard >Hang with the boys >Make wife cum 5 times in a row >Football game

>>133443 The problem is that what the fuck is exactly disaffecting these niggas? Like bro no part of Skyrim was actually being invaded during the great war. They didn't have to deal with direct invasion from the Aldmeri like everyone did, sure they sent their men to fight, and that caused some scars but my nigga they haven't experienced province wide devastation since the Oblivion Crisis. They are in no position to actually judge how well the Empire did during that war because they haven't seen an entire elven fucking army before let alone ones that are always at their borders. Not to mention they have an entire pantheon of their own Gods, and it was the Imperials who did the most in making Talos an actual God. It's like the guy who got into a knife fight being the most mad about his injuries and wanting to start another one when he just got a black eye while everyone else got maimed permanently.

>>133445 >Read hard books >Stand in dark chamber >Make cryptic remarks 5 times in a row >Quest directions This is the ideal existence.

>>133447 Based quest-giver NPC.

>>133446 That's definitely one of the major facets of the hypocrisy. In fact, you could easily argue that the entire reason the Nords are able to have this armed uprising in the first place is because the province of Skyrim is completely untouched sitting behind the Imperial heartland that was devastated by Dominion forces during the war. They can complain about honor and traditions and Nordic culture because there's enough left of it for them to fight about. Contrast them against provinces like Hammerfell or High Rock who got hit with an absolute shitstorm they're still trying to recuperate from, let alone the provinces that fell under actual Dominion authority and dealt with their purges and genocides like Valenwood and Elsweyr. Skyrim is the only one capable of such petty rebellion at this point. Everywhere else in the world, with the possible exception of Black Marsh, has been shit on so much they don't have the luxury of complaining too much about Talos worship and race politics.

>ruZZian bots have already infiltrated the bunker mod team Grim.

>>133450 What makes you say that?

>>133446 No Aldmeri army ever invaded Skyrim, true. From the Nordic point of view, they sent an entire generation of their sons and daughters to die in foreign lands, protecting the Imperials who DID see those Aldmeri armies, only for all of those sacrifices to mean NOTHING because the people who cried for their help GAVE UP, and then saw someone else (the Redguards of Hammerfell) keep fighting despite having taken even more casualties and WIN. If the surrender had been necessary, if Hammerfell had LOST, they could've swallowed the bitter pill a bit easier. Is their point of view entirely logical or reasonable? No, not at all. But it IS understandable why they feel the way they do. Also, the old Nordic Pantheon hasn't been fully relevant since the First Era (when they got syncretized with Ayleid gods to make the Eight Divines), and Talos became way more popular in Skyrim after the Oblivion Crisis, but that's not super relevant to this discussion, people are weird about their syncretic beliefs all the time.

>>133438 Their outfit is basically the same. Honestly a lot of Daima is kinda lazy. Let's make Buu again. But do it...TWICE?!?! >>133441 Predictably it's popular on reddit.

>>133451 his post was deleted for bringing up real politics

>>133450 >Tosses tomatoes at you

>>133452 The reason why Hammerfell won is because a large amount of 'no longer fit for service' members of the Imperial Legions were 'discharged' there. As in largely still capable fighters left behind to carry on the fight under plausible deniability.

>>133451 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4saQchkrsM0

one thing good about Ulfric is that his territory is perfect to pull off a Bandit jumper. He explicitly allows bandits to roam free undisturbed as long as they limit themselves to targeting non-nords.

>>133456 Yes! Question is, how many Nords both know that and are thinking about that fact on a regular basis?

How would the Aldmeri Dominion do against the Telvanni as a group? Assuming Divayth Fyr is there.

>>133459 Most Skyrim Nords aren't smart enough to think in the first place.

Seeing posts suddenly gain petty mod notes when viewed in the hover over is way more satisfying than just seeing posts disappear. >>133459 Maybe about a tenth of those who sided with the Empire/Solitude during the civil war.

>the Redguards barely manages to beat the Dominion and keep their independence >meanwhile, the Bretons once again proving to the universe they are the Master Race by crushing the skulls of yet another wannabe empire into the soil of High Rock in the only resounding and utter defeat the Dominion suffered during the entire Great War Classic.

>>133461 >Sees random guy on the street >"SKYRIM BELONGS TO THE NORDS!"

>>133463 A race specifically bred into existence by elves, elves who then ceded territory and dominion to the Bretons. Literally a master race.

>>133437 Dan Da Dan still continues to deliver, at least.

>>133463 Honestly High Rock is probably the worst possible place to invade, not on account of any kind of military just because the amount of adventurers per square meter means the trees speak 'sell fancy elven gear to the nearest merchant'.

>>133462 >mod notes when viewed in the hover over ???

What are some perks or items that give you control and/or influence over parts of a society? Like how one of the Illuminati items in Secret World gives you influence/control over the civilian government of the local superpower and swathes of the media. I want my own conspiracy that's always secretly running things in jumps I visit.

>>133437 Why don't you like Daima?

>>133468 If you hover over some the link in reply posts you see the post being replied to, sometimes the mods add mild shots at those getting warned or banned in the offending posts. These appear in this hover over even if you don't refresh the page, which is required to see them in the version of the post you see just reading the thread.

>>133467 High Rock is the fucking graveyard of empires at this point. I think they're like 6 - 0 for curbstomping giant continent-spanning imperial forces trying to subjugate them at this point.

>>133460 The Telvanni still got gaped by lizards and the pebble drop.

>>133472 High Rock is also the only place where people remember how to do the full power Sphere of Negation spell which just deletes your enemy from existence potentially with a 100% chance of success at range, whereas in later games it's a shitty damaging spell

>>133473 I mean, that's not a point against them. Mehrunes Dagon isn't immune to lizards. No one is immune to lizards.

>>133469 Himenospia has an Item that makes the female family members of a bunch of government officials into your brainwashed slaves. Outside of that, the only ones I can really think of are Items that give you access to conspiracies wholesale, like all the companies/conspiracies you can buy in Exalted Modern, or Alaska Treaty from Victim Girls.

>>133473 The Telvanni as a faction were crippled but I assume the actual Magisters are still fine. The Telvanni are kind of a funny faction in that they're top-down entirely. All the power rests in the hands of like eight people and the faction itself is just something that sprung up around them because they're hilariously powerful and literally millennia old. As long as those half dozen guys are still kicking around House Telvanni will rebuild and show back up eventually.

>>133476 Good start, at least! Thanks, anon.

Thalmor army arrives at the gates, the castle loudly announces a five percent increase to the price the town smith will pay for elven equipment. A dozen battlemages in full daedric armor materialize in various sections of the Thalmor formation, everything is exploding and the lunatics just walk through the fireballs while throwing their own and stabbing everything within reach.

>>133452 Except they should know for a fact that those sacrifices did mean something, if the Empire had signed the Concordant in the first place not only would the war have fucked them even harder, the tributes in question would have made an already weakened empire incapable of pulling the miracle victory out of its ass. Sure you can say it's all about emotions, but these people should know for a fact that they aren't fighting some weak enemy that the empire just chose to cuck out to, if that was the case they would have just signed and handed over the tributes immediately because it would have been inconsequential. This is public knowledge, as should the knowledge that the Concordant was basically the last thing the Thalmor wanted, and completely annihilating the race of Men was their goal. Also like I said before, the Redguards were entirely alone fighting entire elven armies bent on genociding them on their own turf, to your average Skyrim Nord, it should become immediately clear that if that wasn't the case they'd have happily let that shit slide like the Bretons in High Rock did. It's not at all understandable when they were basically facing a war of extinction they were 100% about to lose, and got off with draining gold from the Thalmor, basically stealth freeing Hammerfell after the fact, and not worshipping one God that isn't tied to any of their foundational rituals and traditions like marriage. And sure you can say that, but they're acting like Talos worship isn't basically the most worthless concession granted. My entire point is that it's not even like they have a long history of worshipping the guy going back thousands of years, Ysgramor didn't even know he existed, and neither did any of their heroes. All the stories regarding Nord pride which they rally around should be referencing the old Gods so it should be nearly impossible for them to be sucking Talos' cock so hard that they can't just worship him in peace and silence like they did before Ulfric's fuckup. If they can notice they were able to do that before they should also be placing all that blame on Ulfric himself for removing that from them. Their emotions aren't understandable, because like most Nords they're just dumb as fuck and they pick and choose when and where to care about certain facts.

>>133478 Actually, since it lives rent free in my head, I remember that Himenospia has a lot more that's useful for that. >One Item gives you control over an entire city >Another is a group of slaves you can spread through one organization of your choice >Another makes you the democratically elected head of government >One Perk lets you become that world's version of a real life politician >Another makes you possibly centuries old, and lets you incorporate Items representing properties and organizations further back in the timeline to establish them as "normal"/cultural fixtures that have been around for years >The brainwashing power

>>133463 Reminder that the Redguards, when stranded on a continent with hostile elves exterminated them all, while the Bretons had their ancestors turned into such perfect breeding slaves their entire race exists because of it. I know which I'd rather be, and it isn't the one that's part elf.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>133483 Yeah, pretty much.

Nah, it's more like: >the invading Aldmeri army lands in Daggerfall >within the hour they're being slaughtered by a werewolf moving at Mach 2 and blendering its claws six times a second for 80 damage a hit >it's literally immune to iron and steel weapons and is invulnerable to all forms of magic >occasionally it turns back into a naked guy and strips the corpses of everything except their underwear >occasionally it sprints back to the exit at super speed to dump everything into a wagon haphazardly parked by the entrance >then it leaves for the nearest town, spends 84 consecutive hours selling it one piece at a time to haggle maximum potential profit >then it comes back and kills another 40-80 Dominion soldiers and repeats the process over again

>>133483 I've tried, it doesn't work

>>133483 What's causing this?

>>133487 He's making a fate stay night abridged jump.

>>133437 I liked it because I watched dragon ball from the OG and I'm not a braindead that was raised on TFC garbage. Daima SSJ4 is different because it was achieved through magic not like the OG from GT. I like GT SSJ4 more but I don't like GT, Daima is better, I like Super too but for different reasons, retards bitching about muh power scaling are kind of retarded, SSJ Blue could've been executed way better and was introduced way too early IMO and I like what they're doing by giving unique forms to everyone even though I understand it's probably a move partially motivated to just sell more figurines.

>>133485 How many hours are spent arguing with other murder hobos about the most efficient ways to kill fodder and strip the loot?

>>133489 This entire post is a shitpost designed to piss off as many people as possible. It's either that or you have the IQ of a steel rod.

>>133490 Less than 30 seconds because they all have copious experience, and believe their way is the best.

>>133490 Zero. Everyone mutually understands that even though the soiled pair of brown trousers are only worth 1 gold piece they're still going into the wagon and they're still being sold individually to the merchant.

>>133487 I want to work but my body refuses. Also I'm gonna die and God hates me because I'm evil

Mermaid/Nereid waifus sound like a horrible time.

>>133491 No, I tend to piss off people without trying. This whole new fad of shitting on everything because it's different from your childhood head canon is retarded. Dragon ball fans don't read.

>>133470 It's not bad, it's just...not good. It's like DBZ Filler tier. >>133471 Oh, don't see any in the only deleted post here.

>>133489 NTA, but I can't stand the transformation checklist in Super with shit like Beast, Rage and Piccolo Naranja no matter how little the transformations matter and how little explanation

>>133494 Don't take it personally, he hates us all regardless of alignment.

>>133497 The post in question isn't deleted I don't think.

>>133496 Anon, you know that's not the case, you know that's not why people don't like it, and you're entitled to your shit taste. I would advise you to stop spewing it everywhere though.

I want a Daggerfall remake.

>>133497 I think it's good, of course no sequel to DBZ has matched it and now that Toriyama's gone, ever will, it's not all that original admittedly but again, nothing since DBZ has been

>>133497 I deleted the first one, then the guy continued so I gave him a vacation without bothering to delete the second post. >>133502 plz no.

>>133498 Piccolo's is literally >"I asked the dragon for it" Which basically killed my interest in DBZ as a jump since I cannot justify why my Jumpers wouldn't just immediately head for the dragonballs and start wishing away since clearly they basically lost even that veneer of a limit. It was one thing when you couldn't just wish to be the strongest thing around, but now you can literally take the Dragonball Jump and end up stronger than Cell.

>>133503 I prefer Super in terms if we're talking about continuations of DBZ. The Tournament of Power arc was kinda stupid but the Return of Frieza and the Future Trunks arcs were kino.

>>133498 Piccolo Naranja was heavily foreshadowed, Beast was a bit random since when was the "Ultimate" state supposed to awaken? Regardless it doesn't explicitly state that it can't. Rage was a complete meme, why do you need a separate form for something saiyans have been doing since day 1? >>133501 The majority don't like daima because the bitch-asses are either obsessed with canon, which dragon ball has never gave a shit about, wanted SUPER 2 but got GT 2(in their minds taking inspiration means it's a sequel or something).

>>133505 Meh, I separate Super's retardation from the rest of the franchise, if you accept Super as the cornerstone of the series it basically ruins the whole fucking thing

>>133505 I mean, the whole premise of the Granolah arc is him wishing to be the strongest in the universe which only doesn't apply to the gods, so one wish can make you stronger than basically anybody barring Beerus, Whis and the other gods

What would be some potent enchantments to include in Legendary Gear in Generic Isekai? Stuff like >Immunity to mind affecting effects >Immunity to divinitations >Immunity to status effects >Elemental immunities >High tier magic resistance >The ability to see through illusions, invisibiltiy and disguises >High speed flight >Near perfect invisibility

>>133508 >WHAT'S A KISSING, I'VE NEVER DONE THAT >MEDITATION? SOUNDS FUCKING GAY, VEGETA >I'M TOO SOFT ON MY ENEMIES >WAKU WAKU

>>133509 Yeah that's the thing though, you can also just wish for the knowledge to make your own dragonballs, and pull the trick Goku did in Dragonball itself and just catch all the ones that are escaping, then proceed to spam 10 wishes before the Jump ends for: >What Granolah did >Knowledge on God Ki(even fucking Shin has that shit, you would definitely be able to wish for it) >To be a Saiyan >Buu level regeneration Among just a few things, and bam. The Jump is now boring as fuck with no story possible to tell except for Jumper beating the shit out of the entire Z Warrior squad for not doing their best to protect earth.

>>133507 I'm not a huge fan because the jokes are just not that funny, honestly. And the fights aren't that great. Sure it has really fancy looking animation (apparently) but that's about it. >>133511 Are you upset that Super restored Goku's original personality?

>>133507 >Piccolo Naranja was heavily foreshadowed I bow before the holy might of this shitpost.

>>133502 Only if they keep absolutely all of the jank and insane gameplay mechanics. If I'm not being paralyzed by a random spider in one hit and dying 45 minutes into a dungeon the size of the fucking Paris catacombs then I'm not interested.

>>133513 Goku has meditated before and he clearly knew at least something about sex and kissing, do you honestly believe Chichi never kissed him?

>>133516 Please stop feeding him. He's eaten enough to grow gargantuan.

>>133512 Don't forget there's also nothing stopping you from asking the dragon balls to implant in you the dr gero technology of infinite ki.

>>133517 >I'LL SHOVE MORE KI DOWN HIS THROAT, THAT'LL KILL HIM

>>133507 >Rage was a complete meme, why do you need a separate form for something saiyans have been doing since day 1? Rage is literally just Grade 3 SS2.

Is this why people don't talk about Dragon Ball?

>>133510 Vorpal blade enchantments. Magic nullification. I've been thinking of a silence enchantment on a sword that makes everyone in a radius incapable of speaking(anti magic without being actually anti magic) for my most recent chain so that might work too.

>>133522 Pretty much yeah. The entire setting got turned into a joke after it came back with super. Shit like Xenoverse and Heroes definitely didn't help, and neither did Daima.

>>133525 I hate to break it to you but DBZ fans were always like this.

>>133481 Dang, it has all that? That'll definitely be useful then! Thanks again, anon!

>>133527 Haha, yeah, be sure to have fun! I'm so sorry.

>>133510 environmental protection, like a magical version of the environmental shield that a DC power ring or legion flight ring has. Faster casting and/or instant casting, big possibly % based stat boosts, haste and/or increased movement & reaction speeds, regeneration, quick mana restoration, effectively unlimited stamina, immunity to disease & poison, damage reduction and/or nullification, regenerating energy shields (like from path of exile or Halo), the local equivalent to an infinity +1 sword and/or armor, quick travel / teleportation, auto-map features, being able to freely cast certain useful spells, self repair / maintenance / cleaning, the ability to 'absorb' stuff in order to strengthen itself (ala: shield hero legendary weapons), maybe round it out with an enchantment that prevents people that aren't you or people you give permission from using it.

>>133519 I think you'd have to make the wish the entire set of enhancements, because the androids don't use Ki, and use another form of energy. Just getting infinite energy for that sounds like a funny way for Shenron to fuck your Jumper over while laughing about it.

>>133458 >one thing good about Ulfric is that his domestic policy aids and abets interdimensional bandits Talk about damning by faint praise

>>133482 Redguards are the actual master race of Mundus because as far as anyone knows they are the ONLY human species to fucking survive between kalpa

So. Taking Young Justice as a second jump, because the dice hate me. I want to kill Vandal Savage on principle, but I also want Klarion to die, and the whole Child incident is pretty much the only chance I'm gonna get of him being weak enough that I might be able to pull it off. But I also don't want...well, everything the little shit is gonna do while she's beating Klarion into the ground. Any suggestions on how to resolve this three-way dilemma? Oh, and the build for this jump is just the near-full mage perk-line plus the Sword of Beowulf and Drain No. >>133523 Gonna companion her when I get to that jump.

>>133533 Get her hooked on video games so she doesn't do anything productive after mulching Klarion.

>>133533 I don't think you can kill Klarion, he's a Lord of Chaos so the best you're going to get is to kill his tether. But that runs the risk of the early or recurring arrival of the Child, even if that doesn't happen Klarion can just come back if he gets a new cat.

>>133469 O5 Council in SCP. I’m thinking of getting it now that Djacktus moving on from Project Paragon means Adam probably isn’t going to show up for negotiations on how to divide the cosmos, so I might as well just change history to increase my monstergirl kingdom. >>133475 >Lizardmen and An-Xileel are in contact with IT through Godzilla Ultima and thus the kaiju hivemind Big Lizard can’t keep getting away with this

>>133533 >Gonna companion her In seven days

>>133524 >Vorpal blade enchantments What does that even do? In DND it lets you cut of heads, but you can do that with regular weapons anyway >Magic nullification Could be interesting, but also messy when fighting with allied spellcasters. >>133529 >environmental protection Definitely on the list >Faster casting and/or instant casting, big possibly % based stat boosts, haste and/or increased movement & reaction speeds, Yeah build based Stat boosts are pretty much mandatory >regeneration, quick mana restoration, effectively unlimited stamina, immunity to disease & poison, I was thinking of handling that through the absurd amount of consumable items you get. Like using a wand or healing potion when necessary rather than rely on a continuous inferior version >damage reduction and/or nullification, regenerating energy shields, the local equivalent to an infinity +1 sword and/or armo Definitely useful >quick travel / teleportation Again probably better to use something like a wand for that >self repair / maintenance / cleaning, Oh yeah that is pretty important. >the ability to 'absorb' stuff in order to strengthen itself (ala: shield hero legendary weapons) That is actually an entire time by itself

>>133533 You know, I've always wanted to ask her why her concept of destroying the world with chaos was just copy and pasting the same natural disaster over and over again ad infinitum. You'd really think that she could vary up what horrific events she unleashed on a given quadrant. Do you think she'd take requests?

>>133533 Just kill his cat

>>133535 >Klarion can just come back if he gets a new cat. Nta, but he was only able to do that as easily a she did because he attached himself to that school bus and prevented himself from fully disappearing. It would probably take more time than is relevant for the jump for him to return when fully banished

>>133532 >Have sword nukes >Are survivors of the last kalpa >Orc Exterminators >Goblin exterminators >Are the reason Tamriel isn't plagued by yet ANOTHER race of Elves >Blew up their home continent instead of running away because they were getting their shit kicked in >Actually remember their original Gods >Are literally the only race to have a canon protagonist >Have never lost to Elves What absolute gigachads

>>133533 *Ahem* kill all three yourself.

Are there any good excuses for not relying on the Phoenix Force for everything after picking it up in Marvel Cosmic or should I just leave that for VERY late in the chain?

>>133539 Roll the dice enough times with random chances and at some point it's going to land on 5 fifty times in a row.

>>133544 Honestly you might have to leave that for late chain if you're not going for "overpowered Gary Stu shits on everything". After the whole Krakoa era it has an entire dimension to host souls so they can be revived, so there's really no telling what the fuck else it's capable of.

>>133512 That's a (You) problem, you talk like an SBer that's physically incapable of not exploiting an obvious loophole in the setting.

>>133536 I have only a base understanding of SCP, but I can definitely look into that! Thanks, anon.

>>133544 Just wank that you have control issues, so tapping into it for extended periods of time makes the power go to your head and lose your human perspective, maybe you become less empathetic and more cruel than you like to be, maybe you stop caring about things you normally would, or maybe you just full on cant regulate your emotions potentially causing you to go berserk if angered.

>>133547 You sound like the kind of dumbass that writes a SI story and has the main character sit around bemoaning circumstances while having all the knowledge and power to fix it. Sorry, but I'm not interested in writing that shit, so I'll avoid that scenario whenever it comes up because I hate it. You enjoy that dumbass bullshit though.

>>133546 >>133549 Potential Dark Phoenix issues could work, though that probably just means it can go late chain instead of VERY late chain.

>>133512 Or you as the author just wank that the Dragon Balls can't grant you most of these and just make up a plausible sounding explanation That's what Toriyama did whenever he didn't want the Dragonballs to solve a certain issue.

>>133512 Shenron probably can't give you god ki, since he can't affect or give you anything stronger than him

>>133545 Okay, but spamming fire tornado EVERY TIME is so gauche. Like, why not have one city be occupied by a trio of winds that only pick up people's skeletons, organs, and flesh, while leaving every other material unmoved and also leaving everyone split this way alive and feeling everything all at once? Why not drop a single aggressive wasp into a city whose sting turns the victim's skin layers down to the hypodermis into an equivalent number of more wasps that go on to repeat the process? Why not curse a location so that every ten minutes one hundred random people are paralyzed, fused with whatever surfaces they're touching, and set to slowly meld with whatever they're stuck to while maintaining awareness? Why not isolate a city, curse it so that anyone who still has teeth in it by the end of a given grace period has their teeth fuse together and begin growing into parasitic growths that overtake and elongate their bodies into disgusting tooth bugs that kill any normal people, but also beam this information into everyone's heads forcing them to make the choice to crack and pull all of their teeth out on their own, with those who were too mentally weak to do so becoming the main threat everyone has to contend with? There are so many things she could have done, but she just copy and pasted the same fire tornado EVERYWHERE. It is LAZY.

>>133537 I'll distract her with my little blue friend here.

>>133552 >Or you could just go against what is shown in canon because it's convenient At that point I might as well just take a generic and make up a Dragonball like world to send the Jumper to. What the fuck is the point of setting a story in an existing setting if you're just going to change it the moment it becomes inconvenient. Whenever Toriyama didn't want the dragon balls to solve a problem he just ignored them or made the characters not use them because they didn't want to, like with Gero, or the Saiyan space pods. He only rarely placed limits on them to get them to not do something, and he always went back on it afterwards such as the revival limit, and the affecting beings stronger than you. >Just make up a plausible sounding explanation That will also likely end up going against canon, and which is impossible when we're given a list of things it can or cannot do? Notice how you didn't just make one? That's because it would be impossible, be contrived, and end up ruining some other part of the story by making it not possible either. >>133553 Then why was Piccolo able to get Naranja? Or how was Gasketcase or whatever his name was capable of doing what he did? That was the entire point of the discussion earlier. Plus the rule is thet he can't do it against said being's will if they're stronger than him, which is why he could still have teleported Goku after Namek if he allowed it.

>>133550 No.

>>133556 >Then why was Piccolo able to get Naranja? Super Namekian lore, speedreader-kun

>>133556 orange piccolo was Piccolo a result of Piccolo asking to have his potential unlocked. That effect is not gonna happen on most people. Hell unless you take perks for it, you as author decide how much untapped potential your jumper even has to begin with. Also Toriyama literally had the dragon say it cant turn the androids back into humans, that is plenty of justification to just negate any request for drastic body modification like becoming a saiyan/god/get regeneration.

>>133556 Super being fucking stupid? But I don't think that's just a blank ticket for anything and everything. And Granola doesn't have god ki, also keep in mind his wish came at the cost of his own lifespan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKqpxDmeIO4 >this is your wish to become stronger >literally fossilize before a superior opponent because you'll never ever be stronger, cuz you suck

>>133561 I thanked God when Frieza showed up and ended that fucking arc

>>133560 >You can wish for immortality Non issue. >>133559 The combination here is the problem, if it can unlock his potential that much more despite Guru's and Supreme fucking Kai not being able to do as much for FUCKING GOHAN then we can only come to the conclusion that it absolutely can affect God Ki level shit. Crackolah not getting it is literally because it is outside of the scope of his wish. As for the Androids, that's not the reason why he didn't turn them back, Shenron would have no problem with massive bodily changes from what we've seen. Not to mention that Gero just gave them gene therapy and some implants, they are still by definition humans and 18 is capable of having a regular human child.

>>133560 It's also not a blank ticket for anything and everything, just that there are a few things which are no longer out of that same scope of pure bullshit.

>>133548 Np, one last thing: I talk about fighting the high end shit in my chain because I’m autistic and account for everything I’m interested in from it, but it’s totally valid to assume there’s nothing more dangerous than a big unkillable lizard (who can’t permanently deal with a pool of acid for some reason) or a guy with a broken brain who uncontrollably turns buildings into cream puffs. Which is still bad but not necessarily like, inevitably world-endingly bad from the beginning.

>>133554 >>133539 Maybe it’s a subtle diss at the Lords of Order for being so anti-fun and predictable. Alternatively, maybe it’s because the generic fire tornado is a manifestation of chaos through entropy, and it’s just that the breakdown of ordered systems in the YJ universe looks like a copypasted fire tornado

>>133443 >Nobody lets Khajit in If it has claws it breaks claws.

>>133563 If you're just going to ignore drawbacks like an SBer why even discuss this min-max session

>>133563 >The combination here is the problem, if it can unlock his potential that much more despite Guru's and Supreme fucking Kai not being able to do as much for FUCKING GOHAN then we can only come to the conclusion that it absolutely can affect God Ki level shit thats just you wanking it beyond belief and complaining about it. The movie quite literally compares it to Guru unlocking Gohan's power. It just affected them differently because they're different people. We never see the Dragon Balls just straight up grant new powers, beyond immortality. It's always working with what is already there. If you dont want this to be possible to avoid your jumper taking advantage of it, just say its not. this isn't hard.

>>133566 >it’s just that the breakdown of ordered systems in the YJ universe looks like a copypasted fire tornado Then the YJ universe needs to be taught how to be destroyed more interestingly.

>>133411 Too fucked up for monstergirl enthusiasts, not enough genocide for monster girl haters, and the lore is too schizo to be easily summarized in a single post beyond "psycho grandma bad". In short, it has much lower appeal here than MGE does.

>>133429 Incredibly unlikely unless said Abrahamic God isn't actually God at all but something like, Preacher God. Aslan, and in turn The Emperor-Beyond-The-Sea, are super chill unless you're like baby-eating levels of comically evil. At which point Aslan will fucking maul you.

>>133422 >Too mean for the majority of anons Is that really true, are anons really put off by THIS?

>>133543 He wouldn't have the power to do that with his build alone. And he certainly couldn't pull it off against Child, since she's mainlining the power of /every/ Lord of Chaos up until very shortly before her defeat (which she only loses BECAUSE of Savage convincing the Lord of Chaos & Order that she herself is a violation of balance). There's also the fact that killing Savage, as unfortunate as it is to say, opens the planet up to immediate Apokalips assraping.

>>133568 What the fuck are you even talking about? Nothing is being ignored, you're just being a salty bitch because you got called out. >>133570 >We never see the dragonballs granting new power By this logic no amount of lifespan should allow you to be as strong as Gas and Cranola got after their wish. Something new would absolutely need to be added because the cost to power ratio makes no sense when one of them was working on Namek era power levels.

I think there are a lot of Specialist Nen types on 4chan simply due to the reason that y'all are so inclined on thinking over acting, creating your own schizo narrative of the world and completely drowning out any external logic.

>>133577 No they weren't, they're different dragon balls you retard. And Granola got his lifespan reduced to 3 years after his wish, once again why are you talking to us, just go have your wank session over how smart you are for overthinking the show for children and fuck off to SB, you're going to ignore any limits we give you anyway

>>133578 Alright but explain why this Wheel of Time/Youjo Senki crossover I'm reading keeps saying "magic circuits".

>>133563 Nta but those were special dragon balls

>>133429 >>133574 Best example of this is how, in the Last Battle, he accepts that one foreign guy as one of his children. When the foreign guy, happy but confused, asks how that can be, since he has worshiped Tash, it's pointed out that he acted honorably and justly, and just as any act of evil will be rejected by Aslan and go to Tash, any act of good will be rejected by Tash and go to Aslan. As long as you're doing good deeds and acting justly, Aslan is going to embrace you as one of his own. And that's if you don't go with the idea that all versions of the Abrahamic God that actually ARE God are all connected. It's what I went with in one chain, where Star Jumper called Saint Young Men Jesus Aslan and was embraced by him, Jesus being fully aware of who Jumper was and their history together.

>>133578 Couldn't be me, apparently everyone agreed that I'm an Emitter. Most everyone familiar with Nen anyways.

>>133469 Pride of a Nation from Overwatch, The Seventh from God of High School, and A Legend of Your Own from Burn Legend make you a beloved national hero. Modern Legend from Kengan Ashura makes you a famous veteran in a specific physical career but if you pick the right sport+country combo that's effectively the same as being a national hero. Inescapable Grasp of the Open Palm and Shadow Empire of the Closed Fist, also from Burn Legend, give you sway over a specific organization and country respectively. Illuminated from Gargoyles and Illuminati Membership from Street Fighter can make you a member of the Illuminati (if it exists, I think?) while World Spanning Conspiracy from Alchemical Solutions establishes one. Chief from Blade Runner 2049 makes you chief of a large police force. A Big Deal from Oreimo gives you an important and influential job. Metal Black has Central Intelligence Agency which makes you leader of the CIA, United Nations which makes you secretary general of the United Nations, and Astronomical Society which makes you a respected and influential figure in the scientific community. Revolutionary Party from Victoria 2 can give you your own political party in your starting nation. Minister for Magic from Wizarding World gives you a position of power comparable to the Minister of Magic or POTUS. The Manifesto from My Hero Academia is a manifesto for your ideology that is widely available and generally does the conversion thing better, while Thesis for the New Century from Fate/Zero gives you a thesis once per decade that can change people's opinions on a specific subject.

>>133577 it wasn't just a straight power up. its a condensation of power that could potentially be accumulated over the course of the sacrificed lifespan.

>>133584 Thanks for the list, SMTAnon! I'll definitely be looking into all of those!

So, let's say the events of Fighter Z happen. For whatever reason, 21 hasn't internally split into good and evil sides and instead is just the sum of both. She successfully hunted down and consumed all the clones she made as well as the resurrected villains, and has effectively resolved things semi-amicably with the Z-Fighters after a series of inconclusive fights. What are her odds in a fight with Hit? Presuming she has a vague understanding of what his power lets him do, without actually knowing that its time bullshit.

Shadowrun is gone from the uploads folder again. Any idea why?

>>133588 Which part of Hit's fighting history makes you this confident in him?

>>133588 I don't think hit can kill her in any way

>>133589 Someone's probably deleting it if it didn't get added.

>>133588 Goku and Jiren have both independently verified you can, in fact, out-muscle the timestop and that knowing it exists helps. 21 is in the same bracket as Goku is without MUI. You really should've given Hit the surprise advantage. He's an assassin by trade, not a battle autist.

>>133588 He doesn't really beat her regeneration, and she can turn him into a candy and eat him.

>>133588 Doesn't her Majin biology completely shut down any assassination bullshit he could do?

Dumb question, in Pathfinder there are scientifically advanced worlds outside of Golarion (such as wherever that ship came from) but are there any such advanced societies in the D&D multiverse?

>>133590 Haven't seen that new thing he apparently showed up in, so I assumed he'd show some degree of improvement. Or at least learn to throw a ki blast. >>133591 >>133594 >>133593 >>133595 So I guess that's a solid "No, he 's just fucked." Thanks for the answer. >>133596 Yeah, Blackmoor has a not-federation ship crash on the planet.

>>133585 >>133579 Damn, I got btfo'd. Can't even lie. I apologize for shitting up the thread.

Neat. One of the Necropolis heroes in HoMM: Olden Era is literally Iratus with a different name.

>>133598 I also apologize if I started being nasty

>>133280 >Best girl That's not a very difficult thing to do, to be fair. Still best girl.

>>133600 Nastiness to someone being retarded is always justified. Never apologize.

>>133600 >>133602 Plus this gives me an easier time adding DBZ back into my chains, so you literally did me a favor.

>>133603 Nta but I mean, does it really? Assuming the sheer ease of attaining this powerup is the issue is there a meaningful difference between increasing or condensing power if the end result is still being able to fight post-ToP, post-Moro Goku and win?

>>133604 Well there's the fact that the Cerealian dragonballs are notably different in multiple ways and don't have the same limits as regular dragon balls. Then there's the fact that I am not interested in writing about Jumper bending the entire story of his Dragonball Jump around getting to that planet/finding it's location, and I don't really think it would fit most of my Jumpers character to waste a wish on that or spend years on finding it when he can just do something the fuck else, and I don't plan on staying around for super. Plus the problem was more that all the dragon balls were capable of some bullshit like that on top of piccolo's bullshit also being easily attainable. That kinda opened the door to a lot of shit I purely put into the category of "ridiculous wank", so now that the door is closed I don't need to worry about ruining the story by having it bent in the different direction of: >Learn how to make dragonballs>catch them mid air>start wish spamming every year and not giving a fuck about the setting.

>>133602 >Never apologize I feel obligated to post this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo-SxWZ7tyM

>>133606 >Now excuse me while I harass someone for having pronouns in their bio. Sad that until recently this would be considered a sign of "sociopathy" or something, when in actuality, it's based.

>New tron is coming out Neat >Jered Leto is in it And my interest was lost We got a Tron jump?

>>133609 >We got a Tron jump? Nope. We have another drive's unfinished wip though

>>133419 >>133573 >MGQ lore is it crazier then Fate's?

>>133611 No. I would have said yes if there wasn't Extra or FGO.

>>133573 The sheer ammount of characters that are so blatantly evil and responsible for genocide, but gets a free pass is staggering. It make Ilias look like a saint. That's saying something.

Tron would count as Isekai, right?

>>133611 At this point it's just Nasuland if they weren't fucking cowards with their eroge roots.

>>133615 I remember when FSN got vore and guro!

>>133616 >I remember when FSN got vore and guro! I mean they don't show it but that's kinda what happens in a few bad ends for heaven's feel.

>>133617 Thank God for small blessings.

>>133609 >Jared Leto Still wild that after all that weird shit in Hawaii he's being kept around, guy must have some strong connections in the industry.

>>133619 >Still wild that after all that weird shit in Hawaii he's being kept around Unless I'm missing something I think you're confusing him with Ezra Miller. Leto did make a cult in Coratia IIRC >guy must have some strong connections in the industry. Nah Hollywood doesn't care if you run a casing couch or rape its actors unless you outlive your usefulness. Why do you think the Weinstein's and Diddy only got punished recently instead of any point in the decades they were forcing actresses to give them BJs and shit?

>>133620 Oh yeah, my bad. All the lanky weirdos blur together after a while.

>>133620 Was that the flash dude?

>>133622 >Was that the flash dude? Ezra Miller was the microwave baby Flash yee.

>>133611 Imagine impregnating your wife and she just walks out of the bedroom having skipped the pregnancy and this thing is your child now.

>>133624 ...well...

>>133575 Yup, at least for me

>>133575 It's not even that it's too mean, it's just fucking evil and retarded.

It's grinding me up inside that I can't figure out a fucking name for the hand to hand combat stuff. I have the Samsara Weapon Arts, the Dreadful Ghost Flight Technique, and the Seething Night Sky Method. I wrote those up. I just can't seem to come up with anything for the god damn punchy kicky bullshit despite knowing what they do. It's not even complicated. It's just striking with variable combos and setups, decisive and powerful kicks, with a side of coin bullet type projectile techniques for the most part. There's more of course, but with these things at its core you'd figure something would come to mind. No! Why is naming stuff the easiest and hardest thing?

>>133317 Secondaries, secondaries everywhere. He beats Saber in melee in fate route. Right after one of the Shirou dates.

>>133611 Before FGO and CCC, yes. As other anons mentioned.

>>133628 Name the coin bullet projectile "Distant Investment Technique"

>>133630 My brother!

>>133533 Pick up Chaos powers and be the emissary chaos lords send to kill Klarion?

>>133632 o7

>>133631 It's not specifically coins, that's just a common form that kind of technique takes. It's basically just flicking small, miscellaneous objects hard enough that it's essentially like shooting a gun. Mine probably prefers marbles, stones, or ball bearings since later later skill developments involve qi loading and turning them into fragmentary explosives.

>>133635 Miniscule Comet Flicker.

>>133573 *rises hands* I dislike the artstyle. And shotashit.

>>133629 Nta but with an invulnerable armor it's pretty easy

Is it just me or does it seem much more cost effective to make a cheat than have a system in the new gen isekai (unless you buy companions and spam the merge option?)

>>133636 No, like the flicking is just part of the unarmed combat arts. I don't specifically need a name for the flicking since it's mixed in with all that.

>>133639 Depends on how strong of a cheat you're making? You trade the jump's points for cheat points at a 2:1 rate, so a 500cp cheat would cost a full 1000xp

>>133641 >You trade the jump's points for cheat points at a 2:1 rate, nta, but only after the initial 600CP, so a 600CP cheat would Cost only 600XP, but a 800CP cheat would cost 1000XP.

>>133642 Ah, I misread. So, it's about the same price if you go all in on them? Don't forget that you can use perk discounts in the System section

>>133636 >>133640 Also I'm just bitching to open air. I wasn't soliciting suggestions.

>>133628 Nightmare striking arts

>>133637 I think you mean artstyles.

>>133643 Really sucks you cant like use the 600 cp discounts for lower tier options. Would make it so much cheaper since I really cant afford to take 600 options if I get most of what I want from my system.

>>133647 You could trade your 600cp discounts to get the final tier of Fork Branch at a discount

>>133648 I guess, I just dont want like random people turning the system off on everyone younger than them for example.

>>133649 Fork Branch is an ability granted by the System and you'd have the original one. You can literally just turn off other people's ability to suppress others, leaving you as the sole one that can do it

>>133650 Honestly it didnt read like that to me, it just seemed like anyone could turn off the entire system of those below them.

>>133651 >And any abilities gained from said system

>>133652 Yeah I dont know, my pov was that it seems more like this is an ability outside the system that alters said system but you do make a good point.

>>133653 >an ability outside the system It's literally a specific feature of the system that you have to specifically buy for the system, that only applies to system users, and is in the system section. Although I guess Admin Access existing means it's possible

>>133334 >Alright, so it's weird and up to you to fanwank. On one hand, at one point Elders WERE stronger than Sarkaz in general, but they've gotten all weaker with age. You can wank that 11th King makes you a genetic throwback if you want. Also, this is more about Jump design nonsense, but consider that a 600 race can't be discounted, while 11th King can be. I thought that was because Sarkaz found Originium first and started getting weaker first? Tbh i also remember somewhere mentioning Dracos easily melting through Wendigos. On that note, technically, before taking into account their immense experience, the dazmati is only a 800 race purchase, right? 11th king on top of that would make it fucking crazy like jesus. >This is kind of a wacky statement but the spirit of it is accurate. My thought processes in a nutshell. >You're thinking of the PV for Episode 7. "Five groups of shieldmen can slaughter a squad of knights; Four Royal Guards can wipe a settlement off the map; Three Wendigos can conquer a small town," is that part of the quote. I will however note that not all Royal Guards are EBs, like Red (unless you take that as implying that Emperor's Blades can literally just retire with no ill-effect, which sounds fucking ridiculous). I'm happy to know that actually exists and wasn't a figment of my imagination. >I can't believe it's already been a month... The relationship between ancients and S*rkaz that i have in my head is a bunch of people hiding in a bush waiting for a single guy to build a sand castle so they can kick it down and hide again to wait for the next sand castle. >The only explanation you need to give is, "I'm built different." Thats fair, but think of it this way. Depending on your perks, if you aren’t a drop in, your parents history must be really fucking funny. >>133342 >I could having fucking SWORN that Red was ex-Royal Guard, but I've scoured his every story appearance and I can't find any mention of it. Damn I can't believe whats worse - the fact that my barely remenbered half hallucinated theory was right, or the fact that you actually went through all of that just to check. Arknights fans are a different breed man

>>133654 Damn I really want admin but taking it would put me at -1200 cp This is pain

What are some jumps where you can get the ability to TANK getting your life-force drained by a succubus and actually get stronger from it?

>>133662 Invincible with the Never Gonna Keep Me Down perk: Never Gonna Keep Me Down (600 cp): You can heal from anything, anything at all. Given time and basic support your body will always regenerate to 100%. You could have your guts ripped out of your torso and all it would take would be to shove them back in, and make sure you have nutrients to survive (if you still need those sorts of things, I don’t know you), and you would be able to heal in a few months at worst without a scar to show for it. You are never at risk of infection, never get sick and left to your own devices you could live for millennia without succumbing to old age. Luckily for you this healing works on seemingly everything, from brains to hearts, though you must remain alive (at least barely) for the healing to kick in. The sole issue with brain damage is that when you heal, while you retain all of your previous memories, you may not make any new ones during the healing process if your brain damage remains too severe. Which means you might get injured and then suddenly come-to months later without any memory of the intervening time period while your brain was healing. This is just by default of course, if you have other powers or abilities for continuity of memory then this won’t override or stop those from working. While this does not really increase the speed of your healing it does ensure that you will heal completely and that the healing will not result in scars. Capstone Boosted: Those atoms from the future seem like a vigorous bunch. Now whenever you heal from an injury your body takes the chance to rebuild from it stronger. Get nearly killed and once you heal watch your strength catapult from the level of young Viltrumite to the level of a veteran Viltrumite (assuming you were a Viltrumite, of course). Regardless, every time you heal you become stronger than before. A bone that was broken causes your skeleton to strengthen, a ligament pulled would increase durability and elasticity of tendons and ligaments around the body. If one day you were burned, the next you would be flame resistant. Without any outward change in appearance you find yourself evolving and growing to deal with the scenarios the world throws at you.

>>133662 I think one of the Konyuu jumps has something like that for the lifeforce bit but not the second one. Gridman also has Alexis Krib's immortality which also provides infinite lifeforce but not the second bit you're looking for

>>133663 Are you going to reupload Shadowrun and any other major jumps you made recently to uploads? (since they don't seem to be there?)

>>133662 That's honestly a bit tricky if you're trying to get both from the same jump. Still, I think there's some options... Baalbuddy has The Perfect Cock, which makes sex attacks just not work against you, Monster Girl Quest has Proper Protection and Energy Drain, which means that you can theoretically out-energy drain the succ while she's trying to succ you, and depending on how said energy drain works, JK Taimabu's Monster perks could be useful in that regard, with JK Cancel basically shutting that shit down as soon as you bust a nut in her, although that option is risky. Actually scratch all that, Breathless Wild has Pillar of Lust, that shit would work well with what you want.

>>133665 I've reuploaded some jumps to the drive. I frankly don't know whats happening but they keep disappearing.

>>133667 The drive used to have a function to see recent changes and who was doing them

Between the Dune Holtzman shield or the Borderlands shields which would be the better option to sell in Battletech? I'm leaning towards Holtzman because it'd force the setting into an energy weapon and cripple most physical projectiles. >>133668 >>133667 It still does, the uploading or removal of Shadowrun doesn't seem to be appearing on the activity section of the drive.

How dangerous is a strong beast for a demon in nwod?

>>133669 The holtzman shields turn into nukes if you shoot them with lasers. Everyone and their grandmother has a laser weapon of some sort.

I'm curious. So, there's various forms of magic in Warcraft. Light, Shadow, Fel, Arcane, so on and so forth. But I'm a layperson who has never touched ANY Warcraft game and knows nothing except memes and Shard's seething (which is itself a meme). Can someone explain the various kinds of magic in WoW? How does one acquire them, how they wield them, what their benefits and drawbacks are?

>>133662 Ah a very MGQ question. Fucking shikis.

>>133667 Folllowing on from >>133669 if you look at the details of the Shadowrun upload there's a past version option which when pressed gives pic related, you might somehow be uploading a temporary link to your drives version of Shadowrun rather than a seperate PDF, fuck knows really >>133672 No that's a misconception, they turn into nukes when you shoot them with a Holtzman laser which is what all laser tech in dune is based off. And isn't actually just a coherant beam of light but some weird form of Holtzman effect particle interaction. If they turned into nukes from any laser than a magnifying glass or sunlight could set them off.

>>133673 >Drawbacks They're literally all addictive and corruptive. Even the light.

>>133673 They are pretty self-explanatory

>>133673 Light is this weird kinda acausal energy, it's basically just an omnipresent force that works on some weird principles of progress/belief. It's also highly order based which is why you can lightforge things into a kind of semi-energy construct and rewrite their personality. Shadow is also void magic, it's the corruptive magic of the old gods, basically lovecraftian magic and wtichcraft for a reference. You do open yourself to the influence of the old gods and can go mad / get corrupted. Fel is just demon magic, it draws from the twisting nether think of it like 40K chaos psykers and you've got a good idea of the troubles that come with making deals with unkillable demons. Arcane is basically just unaspected magic, very DnD wizard in that it's based around you intellect and study. You leverage the energyto do things, opposite of the Fel and also probably the tamest but lacks any shortcuts to power. Nerd magic for a simple description. Death magic is connected to the shadow lands and I know fuck all about it beyond it corrupts you and slowly turns you into an insane madman who hates life in all its forms. Nature magic is self explanatory, it's druid magic and draws from the Emerald Dream, a parallel universe thats connected to Azeroth but is basically a what-if no sentient life evolved. Time magic will get bronze dragons to murder you, or Infinite Dragons to murder you. Also it's probably just a form of advanced Arcane. Basically Light - healing/empowerment - slow twisting to an order based mindset Shadow/Void - non-natural effects/weird shit - comes at a price of sanity Fel - warlock magic/demon summoning - will doom your entire planet as you draw the attention of the infinite armies of unkillable demons and you'll likely lose your soul or one day become one of said demons Arcane - Fate magecraft/creation of natural effects through magic means - nerd magic/takes time/you ready to study, poke and prod Deaath - necromancy/weird necrotech constructs - you'll come to hate living things and will lose most happy emotional capacity/also might become a rotting disgusting Forsaken Nature magic - druid stuff/plant growth/animal help/healing - not many downsides to this that I can think of if any

>>133667 >>133675 Have you tried downloading the jump as a separate PDF on your PC and then dragging the PDF from the downloads to the drive?

>>133679 This is exactly what i do. I'm uploading the pdf from my pc.

>>133680 Gotta love the weird computer issues, shit just happens for no reason. Have you perchance angered the machine spirits? Make an offering on incense and some burnt WD-40 and things will start working again.

>>133681 kek

>>133678 I find it funny how the night elves just hate magic in general, aside from Nature magic obviously. >>133679 >pic Source?

>>133683 Nah their hate is actually pretty reasonable. They say the corruption of the well of eternity, got a first hand view of the splintering of the world and the first invasion of the Burning Legion because other magic users from alternate sources opened the way and basically got their collective shit kicked in and saved/helped by their nature gods. Then spent a good 10k years all alone, well beside the bug people who started to worship and an Old God and open the prisons but those hardly count. Their reintroduction to everyone else was the fucking Orcs of all things, Fel tainted abominations that they are. Night Elf views are perfectly understandable.

>>133611 Prior to FGO? Yes.

Is there a Mashle jump?

Going to make a wuxia jump next based on Tai-Chi Master from 1993. Does anyone have recommendations of perks?

>>133687 A martial art/tai chi perk seems obvious.

>>133688 Already done.

>>133542 >>133532 >>133482 Problem is they're fags who think "Lorkhan bad" and the group of elves they exterminated were Lorkhan worshippers Add the fact they keep trying to invade and kill everyone in their path, and they're really no better than Altmer

>>133690 Lorkhan is bad, he's one of those "muh suffering builds character" Cuck's. Also the people in their path are Khajit, Elves, and Orcs. Who the fuck wouldn't be trying to kill them?

>>133686 No

>>133678 Isn't arcane magic supposed to be Order magic?

>>133691 >t. gnostic who think existance is awful and everyone should just die Fuck off, Thalmor shill.

>>133694 Genocide the Thalmor, they are trying to destroy the world.

>>133695 And the redguards and their philosophy is ideologically the same as them, you insipid rube.

>>133694 I don't think the world should be destroyed, I just think Lorkhan has a dumb philosophy, and is responsible for helping invent elves.

>>133538 >Like using a wand or healing potion when necessary rather than rely on a continuous inferior version you think you're going to have time to chug a healing/mana potion or cure disease potion / poison potion in the middle of a fight?

>>133694 Also Lorkhan's philosophy is more in line with actual Gnosticism than the Elves.

>>133533 >I want to kill Vandal Savage on principle The simple fact that he has had 50,000 years and still isn't god king of the Earth just upsets me. He complains that is it hard, but he is a fucking immortal. Once you has a capital, he should have been expanding long ago.

>>133696 Fleija them too.

Can anyone give me some good reasons not to give Deadpool's 4th wall awareness to a more stoic jumper. Instead of cracking jokes he is just more likely to know something important is about to happen.

>>133702 It would be supremely boring.

>>133691 ...Wasn't Lorkhan's whole thing less "muh suffering builds character" and more like "reality is a dream, so to give people a change to understand that and CHIM and Amaranth and go beyond I'll plan to get myself killed"?

>>133700 He's been intentionally kneecapping himself from becoming god-king for long-term plots to elevate humanity for a long time now. There was no better opportunity to do so than when Atlantis was still on land, and he ensured that went to shit as soon as he thought he could create a race of magic-wielding metahumans as a new race.

>>133704 Yeah, and that's through a world of suffering and limits to help build the character for enlightenment. Also we're not actually sure what the fuck he was doing or why. There are like 4 different motivations which range from "holy fuck existence is so boring like this" to " lol, lmao, kek", all the way to what you're describing.

>>133704 Every major race and culture of TES has their own interpretation of aedra, daedra and shit. *Particularly* for the comatose/half-dead gods who can't speak for themself. .

>>133706 >>133707 You don't need suffering to understand CHIM, it's not easy but Vivec literally slept with Molag for it. (with some theories as to why Molag thought it was a good idea to give that sort of knowledge) Or is this just an excuse for certain faggots to screech about existence and death?

>>133705 So what you are telling me he is just a prideful idiot? I know the Darskeid deal wasn't until around a thousand years ago. Aren't like most of his kids meta humans by default? He could have bred a new race if he wanted.

>>133708 In fact, i'm quite sure CHIM is about loving the idea of something so much you do not dissolve your ego even if you realize nothings exists at all and that nothing matters.

>>133708 Vivec is a literal lying tranny. You're believing the guy who basically went "oh yeah everyone else is a woman and I'm the chad! It's super convenient how I managed to get enlightenment godhood right after my actual godhood got drained away into nothingness, why haven't I done anything with this? Uh..... Reasons!" Also getting raped by the king of rape and coping about it is still gaining enlightenment through suffering. Sounds to me like you have some strange beef with gnosticism that you're projecting.

>>133711 >strange beef with gnosticism Nta but there's nothing strange about hating gnosticism and how retarded it is

>>133687 >Does anyone have recommendations of perks? Watch the movie and make perks based on the movie instead of making perks that might not have anything to do with the movie you stupid piece of shit.

>>133713 He does this so much, i'm surprised he hasn't been drove off yet.

>>133687 Perk that lets you turn useless bullshit into actual martial arts.

>>133713 Do yourself a favor and just ignore or filter him

>>133710 It's about saying lol lmao at the entire system and instead of going "oh fuck I don't exist *stop existing*" and being literally deleted, with the stage above being about, supposedly, becoming your own Godhead. There's also Anti-CHIM, which is what Dagoth Ur seemingly tried. >>133711 >Vivec is a literal lying tranny Well that's also true hahaha! >Sounds to me like you have some strange beef with gnosticism that you're projecting. ...Huh? I agree with the part of it being most likely a convenient game thing to justify the player agency, but you lost me.

>>133712 It's an esoteric sect like any other. They've all got some ideas most people roll their eyes at, what else is the 'esoteric' part for? But the way I figure, being angry about it doesn't make much sense unless it trips your HERESY! sensor.

>>133714 People are much better at ignoring nowadays and will tolerate people from other communities as long as they aren't really bad.

>>133719 That's true, to be honest I wouldn't feel nearly as annoyed with him as I am if he just learnt after it's been pointed out to him so many times but he's such a stubborn bitch about it.

>>133719 >will tolerate people from other communities as long as they aren't really bad. Shocking.

>>133713 Of course i'm watching the movie and making perks based on that you imbecile, i'm just seeking help.

I am fleshing out my Isekai setting for Generic Isekai. Particularly I like to go for a wide magic thing where at least low level magic is omnipresent across society with everyone using it to some degree(even if just cantrips for chores or to aid their jobs) and magic items being widely available for all kinds of purposes. Other than typical stuff like enchanted weapons/armor/jewelry, potions, scrolls, staves/wands and various purpose made miscellaneous magic items, what would be some decent kind of magic items you dont typically see that should be widely available in stores? I am thinking maybe some type of crystals/capsules that hold monsters to be used as familiars/summons.

>>133722 Just as he should filter and ignore you, you need to stop responding since you're not contributing anything constructive either. Just makes you look like an asshole.

>>133724 yeah, you are right.

>>133724 This.

>>133673 >>133678 Actually, Arcane corrupts on the long term, making your descendants mentally addicted (if they live in Arcane-filled environement for generations), and maybe even physically (if they replace food and water with Arcane alternatives). Too much Nature magic can birth a planet-wide, highly carnivorous plant hivemind. Death Magic corruption is 3 different things: being an undead suck, and you will hate it, as well as everyone involved in this happening to you, even if they just failed to kill the necromancer before he reached you. Messing with Death Magic while alive risk making your body closer to death (rot, rigor mortis, etc). And most forms of Death Magic in the mortal plane is taught by the minions of an omnicidal Death God, so it is made to connect you and your undeads to his will. There are other forms of Death Magic (you will need to interact with the other Death Gods) or Necromancy (fuelling it with other types of magic like Fel, Void or Light)

>>133727 Imagine, you are a Death Knight, but died with an erection.

>>133709 >So what you are telling me he is just a prideful idiot? Yes. Vandal is obsessed with the idea of human supremacy at all costs, damn the consequences, and thusly keeps making broad sweeping long-term gambits whilst ignoring the short term or the fact that people aren't the perfect little mechanisms he likes to believe they are. He flat out doesn't /get/ why people disagree with him and his methods, or why they're so opposed to his views of humanity being dominant despite what his plans entail basically being the most monstrous end state of eugenics and social darwinism imaginable. If Savage were less obsessed with a nebulous future over what is in front of him right now, he could have achieved his goals ages ago.

>>133729 Wow, he's actually surprisingly reasonable and forward thinking considering he's a neanderthal and his definition of human should be completely different from the modern version. Isn't he pissed homo sapiens sapiens basically helped wipe out his own people, or did he think they sucked?

>>133728 Well, who got it worst? The Death Knight who has to make an armor specifically to accomodate his dick, but could still use it, or the Forsaken whose dick rot and fell off, and who has to see the (nearly all-elf female) Dark Rangers in their life-like bodies and tight leather armors.

>>133731 Probably the Forsaken. They have to deal with Sylvanass.

>>133678 >>133727 Thank you for the in-depth breakdowns. I just got one more question to ask: how would one go about learning each kind of magic? Say that Joe Average is walking along one day and decides "I REALLY want to learn some magic." What would be the learning process for... >Light >Shadow >Arcane >Fel >Death >Druidism? >Shamanism?? >Other forms of magic that I have no idea exist???

Upon further review, Gilgamesh is so ass as a fighter that Shirou is stronger than him in sword fighting after like a week of watching Archer and being trained by Saber

>>133734 YES

>>133723 I mean a instant campfire would be nice, or even just a tiny spaceheater that can double as a cooking stovetop. Anything to help purify water, remove poisons, or store food would also be great. Not to mention something like an instant bath/cleaning spell token. Instant safe camp would be awesome too, like a ward you can plop down and it will make a safe zone so you dont need to worry about being attacked.

In Dark Souls 1, by way of a perk and a scenario, Gwyn gives us chunks of his Lord Soul which strengthen our light-based abilities. Is there anyway to strengthen it other than taking it from what remains of Gwyn?

>>133737 ...Taking the other parts of his soul?

>>133736 yeah stuff like that would be purpose made magic item. I am more looking for additional larger categories along the lines of potions/scrolls/wands. Like instead of an instant camp I'd probably go with magical minatures in general as a category, like tiny figurines that become large animated golems for all kinds of beings, tiny tents/houses that expand into their full version, maybe tiny ships and the likes, probably wiht additional magic effects added like warding and

>>133729 What makes this funnier to me is jumper could easily drop sever forms of mass power granting or race changes, but Savage would be too prideful to ask for them. He would just make jumper an enemy and try to take them.

>>133737 Anything that allows souls to power up.

>>133730 He's a social darwinist who believes in advancing mankind by any means necessary. He became a conqueror after getting immortality in YJ, so I don't think he ever gave a shit about his people. If you were to ask, he'd likely consider all of humanity to be "his people". His thoughts are purely centered around individual people have to be strong enough to survive no matter what, and if they aren't, then they are an acceptable loss on the path to progress.

>>133737 The nature of souls in Dark Souls means that chunk's gonna keep growing in power over time as it accumulates ambient spiritual energy

>>133729 This world needs a better class of God King, and I’m going to give it to them.

>>133742 Oh, so he's that kind of dickhead.

>Excalibur >Hawk the Slayer >Krull >Dragon Slayer Well my 80s dark fantasy/sword and sorcery dvds have arrived, which ones should I watch first and what's your favorite dark fantasy pieces of media with a jump?

>>133746 I know exactly none of those settings and can't say I know of any dark fantasy media. Maybe Ravenloft?

>>133746 Start with Krull and Hawk the Slayer. I also recommend you find Deathstalker on the internet to watch, but only the first movie.

>>133734 Unrelated but did one of your jumps have a genderbent Yuji expy? Or am I misremembering just a Sukuna one?

>>133734 That's a poor example, because magic was shoving all of Archer's skills into Shirou's brainmeats

>>133744 Anon, elves are not better than Savage and he is a shitty guy.

>>133746 For a second, I thought you were talking about swords

>>133752 I was halfway through responding to that anon suggesting the Demon Slayer from Avernum before I finished reading their post and realized they weren't looking for swords

>>133751 That's a solar.

>>133533 Depends entirely on what your first jump is because using just in-jump stuff from YJ I don't think you have the capacity to actually kill Klarion. At best you might be able to banish him for a bit but that just leaves the door open for a different lord of chaos to show up. Worst case scenario you end up replacing Klarion with Mordru who is both more powerful, even harder to kill and much MUCH more competent than Klarion. Even if you don't get Mordru specifically there's still whole line ups of lords of chaos that can and will show up to replace Klarion if he gets killed or banished from Earth. As for Savage it again depends on your first jump but using just the mage perk tree in the YJ jump itself best you're going to be able to do is either seal him away or, if you can manage it, put him in a position that is a fate worse than death like dumping him into Jupiter or the Sun. >>133746 Dragon Slayer is probably the best of them though Krull isn't too bad. Hawk the Slayer is kind of boring, I don't remember Excalibur well enough to say anything about it one way or another.

>>133753 >Demon Slayer from Avernum nta but feel free to talk about it anyway, cool swords are always fun and I was thinking of using Avernum in my chain soon anyways.

>>133756 I don't actually know much about Avernum, unfortunately. I'm not into that style of game The jump does let you earn the Demon Slayer in it's full form from a drawback though, and lets you merge it into a pre-existing weapon. The jump's one of the first ones I hit up after Quest for Glory when doing a Paladin chain because of it. Also because Beacon of Faith serves to make all holy spells more powerful, and while a Quest for Glory Paladin isn't necessarily a holy person or a spellcaster, I like wanking that it works on Paladin abilities anyways

>>133754 Looks like a knife ear, must be a knife ear. Just because it is some kung fu person doesn't change that.

>>133738 I said other than that. >>133741 Any suggestions? All that comes to mind at the moment is maybe Generic Isekai. >>133743 Is that how it works? Maybe taking that perk to allow constant Humanity flow could help.

>>133704 In order to understand Lorkhan's motivations, you have to understand the nature of the et-Ada and Lorkhan's own nature. Lorkhan is the soul of Sithis, who is himself the spirit of Padomay. Padomay is Change, Chaos, and Discord. He's the very concept of transformation and evolution. Sithis is the Void and Lorkhan, put into very simple terms, is the concept of self-actualization. Lorkhan is the Dreamer; imagination. Among the et-Ada, he was the only one who originally possessed the capability for internalized conceptualization of something beyond what he already was and already knew. The et-Ada were not capable of Change or even understanding of themselves as anything other than themselves. The thing you need to grasp is that the et-Ada are quintessentially the fabric of their own spheres. Mara is Love. And when she came into being, all that she knew was herself. She wasn't capable of knowing anything else, of facing or understanding any form of contradiction. But Lorkhan, whose sphere is Change, was. What Lorkhan shared with the et-Ada, the thing that convinced them to create Mundus, was the vision to imagine something other than what they were and already knew. He used their vision to trick them into the creation of Mundus and through their entrapment as the Elhnofey/"Earth-bones" he provided them with the means to not only imagine something other than what they were, to understand contradiction and that which existed outside of themselves or did not yet exist at all, but to change the essential nature of themselves through their own hand. Lorkhan did this because it was necessary for them to achieve CHIM and Amaranth, to ascend to realize the same realities that he had, because they conceptually weren't capable of it in the state that they were in prior to the creation of Mundus.

>>133759 >Is that how it works? Yep, Souls are just chunks of spiritual energy that accumulates on living beings If you want a specific perk that'd let you empower the Lord Soul chunk, then Demon Souls would work for that? Inner Self lets you directly improve your abilities by expending souls, while Seventh Saint lets you empower faith based abilities

>>133751 I’m not mass importing elves, just taking over while an elf myself.

>>133759 Soul Eater verse, Dark Souls (...yes), sailor moon.

>>133763 Half-shitposts aside, settings that allow souls to power up through adversity a dime a dozen. DnD is one.

>>133759 >Any suggestions? All that comes to mind at the moment is maybe Generic Isekai. Check out Food For The Soul. Absolutely my favourite perk ever

>>133760 I mean yeah, but I needed to simplify things. Anyone else is salty that the devs are never, ever gonna do that kind of stuff ever again, and if they do, it's gonna be shit?

>>133759 I think the easiest is bleach, also most cultivation stories.

>>133746 I really liked Excalibur

I hope you all are having a lovely Sunday, and that those of you who are religious had a lovely time at church today. Anyway, finally finished fluffing the Dancing Hut for Reign of Winter, which I'm fairly certain is the one item literally everyone who asked about the jump requested and wanted from here. Time to go on to the rest of the items.

>>133769 Glad to hear it

>>133769 Can the beak close, or is it just aesthetic?

Is Kotomine the main villain of FSN? It's either him or angry mango but AM just feels more like a plot device

>>133772 It depends on the route, in fate and UBW it's Gilgamesh, in heaven's feel it's Kotomine.

>>133705 >he thought he could create a race of magic-wielding metahumans as a new race and that worked. Atlantis is a mostly unified empire spanning 70% of the planet where everyone has super powers and can learn magic.

>>133772 I say he is in the Fate route, what with him being tied to the backstory of the protagonists what with killing Rin's dad and breaking down the souls of all of Shirou's fellow orphans.

>>133771 I...don't know. I've never seen it drawn with a closed mouth in any of the art. That being said, the borders of Irrisen are guarded by a bunch of autonomous smaller huts, and the hut on the nation's flag has no beak, so I wanna say its just an aesthetic flourish.

>>133772 It oscillates between him and Gil for Fate and UBW, and Sakura pulls double duty as villainess and heroine for HF.

>>133777 I could always enchant it more, perhaps Disney magic would work best.

Gilgamesh didn't even need to eat the orphans, right? Like that shit was basically for fun?

>>133780 Maybe hit up Anastasia before or after jumping here? Seems appropriate.

>>133781 Yes.

What does Divinity/being divine actually do in Fate?

>>133784 On paper it make you stronger and immune to things that aren't divine or anti-divine. You can see where this is going.

>>133781 Kotomine decided to provide extra mana, it didn't help much but it did give him a reason to keep orphans in the basement.

>>133784 Do you mean the servant skill?

>>133784 Not much, it's just a thing that certain servants have. It's usually a signifier of being stronk, but I don't think it actually adds anything. Just that servants who have it are usually strong, also it makes you weak to Enkidu.

>>133787 That and just being divine in general

>>133781 Partially, he doesn't need it, he's an efficent servant and being incarnated he doesn't need it to exist, but eating souls gives him extra mana. He disn't think he needed it anyway, so yes, he did it for fun. >>133784 Officially it's just useful to surpass anti-purge defenses, but generally having more divinity means you're better/stronger.

>>133781 Nope, he didn't need to, but they decided to be a bunch of sadistic freaks. From a story perspective, it goes well with Shirou, who was also an orphan, he could have been one of them, which is pretty dank neat I admit.

>>133777 Who would win, New Thassilon or Irrisen?

>>133791 In fact, wasn't all the orphans from the fuyuki fire?

>>133787 >>133788 Don't forget how Servants can get the skills if they are somehow connected to Divinity in some random way. Unless they don't.

>>133784 It lets you turn into animals to cheat on your wife.

>>133789 Officially helps against anti enforcement defenses, unofficially it means you are strong, interacts with other effects, and allow heracles to shoot arrows as laser dragons

>>133793 Yup!

>>133792 Depends greatly on whether or not Baba Yaga can be assed to get up and defend the nation. If Yaga gets involved, then Irrisen is winning no matter what since Yaga is going to beat Sorshen like a cheap drum. If not, its going to be a slog with extensive casualties and strained logistics that's going to bleed Thassilon dry no matter whether it wins or not. By the time of the end of 1e though the war favors Thassilon greatly, since Anastasia is just a little girl and is barely holding her nation together as is what with the Winter Witches not liking her much.

I've finished the perks for FSN Abridged. Now on to the rest of the jump.

>>133798 >what with the Winter Witches not liking her much Gee I wonder why! >>133799 I don't get your autism, but by God is it beautiful still.

>>133799 Post the w.i.p. sexy.

>>133799 Any advice for working on Jumps?

>>133802 Just do it. >>133801 Sure thing. >>133800 The inner machinations of my mind are an enigma.

Current version of the Ocean Game chain builder. Covers everything up to the First Choice, added an additional line to Razor Eddy detailing how he thinks of Monkey Games. Going to take a break for a bit, maybe update TH in the meantime or do some assignments.

>>133802 Create a document holding all your ideas, always revise your work and don't be afraid of making an idea even if you think it cannot be done.

>>133803 Welcome bag Average Zelda Jump.

>>133804 Do you know how dangerous a powerful beast is for a demon?

>>133807 Define "powerful" Beast. On average, a Beast cannot at all stand up to a Demong Going Loud- it simply isn't a thing. But one of the Beast's Inheritances allows them to turn their Lair Rating into Rank. An Unfettered can grossly abuse this per RAW via reaching Lair 10 then killing themselves in such a way that it completely bonds them to their horror, ascending them into a Rank 10 entity. Every Demon combined, every Angel, and potentially even the God-Machine are promptly told to eat shit and die in that case. But this is not the norm for obvious reasons - such as the fact that even Beasts aren't interested in turning into borderline mindless animalistic horror-ghosts, even if it makes them God.

>>133803 Torn between King of Baes and Crazy Bitch, depending on how the drawbacks look I might grab perks from both even.

>>133808 I'm not sure the drawback only says that it's a particularly powerful beast

>>133810(me) And if I free every mummy I meet will the judges/ the shan'iatu hunt me down? Would changing cover help to hide from them?

>>133811 >And if I free every mummy I meet will the judges/ the shan'iatu hunt me down? You have directly violated their laws, so yes.

>>133812 And if I only free akhem urtu?

>>133808 Can you describe what Demon Going Loud looks like? Some rando schmuck demon for example.

>>133802 Make sure that you have a bit of passion for whatever you are making a jump for. This doesn't necessarily need to be a positive opinion, but you need to care enough to want to finish it. In a related note, if you are motivated by disliking a franchise to make a jump for it, try to remain as neutral as possible. If you spend most of the jump complaining about the work you are making a jump for, it will lower the overall quality of the jump you are making.

>>133815 Are there many jumpmakers who make jumps of franchises they dislike?

>>133816 Shard makes jumps out of spite regularly

>>133816 Making a Jump for someting you have a love-hate relationship with isn't that uncommon.

>>133813 Their temakh will presumably hunt you down unless you do it in such a way that the alien demigods are just flat fucked and have nothing to anchor to ever again. >>133814 A Demon Going Loud is the complete irreversible shredding of their current Covers (the mortal masks and identities they wear to hide from the G-M) and them essentially unveiling themselves in all their mechanical quasi-divine glory. This confers major benefits such as setting their Primum (the power stat) to 10, access to every Embed their Incarnation has affinity for and every Exploit that uses those Embeds, fully refilling all of their Aether and at Primum 10 that means they have 100 points of Aether and can expend 15 points of it per round, and finally they fully refill all bashing and lethal damage and remove all Tilts (temporary states or conditions that a character in CofD can be forced into) active at the time they Go Loud. They also get access to all of their Demonic Form abilities which includes all of their Modifications. A Demon, even normally, can basically level a city without needing to Go Loud at all with decent exploitation of Pacts and specific Embeds or Exploits. Going Loud is doing away with the subtlety and just nuking everything in a blaze of horrific world-searing glory. It's just a sad fact that said glory will almost immediately end with the GM dumping Angels right on their heads and them dying horribly. It's why a demon Going Loud is always, always a weapon of absolute last resort. The above is also why a demon that's Gone Loud is second only to newly awakened Mummies for being the splat with the most immediate raw power right out the gate.

>>133818 In fact i still haven't got the courage to make a rebel moon jump. God, that franchise is so bad.

>>133815 >>133805 Now how do I stop yapping when I'm writing, I feel like something can be cut down, but when I remove it it feels as though its missing parts since I like to be detailed

>>133821 Ah, you suffer from that too?

If Anakin, at age 5, was told that he has Space Magic and can save himself and his mother from slavery if he figures out how to use it, would he be able to teach himself how to use The Force before the Jedi arrive 4-5 years later? He will be given absolutely no further instructions beyond "you have space magic, you can use it to free yourself and your mom if you figure out how, good luck."

Who would win in a fight, an OWoD Demon or a NWoD Demon

>>133824 NWoD.

>>133821 I don't think yapping is a problem. In fact, i think a worse problem is when you look and see that every perk you made follows the same structure, so you should always try to write your perks in a new style to create some variation in your jump.

>>133823 Basic tricks, maybe. He more or less already used force perception tricks when he participated in the race. Advanced stuff, nah.

>>133824 From the word go? nWoD. An oWoD demon has potential RAW bullshit far in excess of anything a nWoD demon can put out, especially an Earthbound, but from the get-go nWoD demons have a lot more general power that doesn't rely exploiting the fact oWoD writers had no sense of scale or comprehension of numbers past a certain point.

>>133820 It had a lot of intertesting ideas, but all of them were done badly. >>133823 He would have gotten them killed. He already had the "luck" that's the most useful untrained Force Power, and trying to Space Magic choke a Hut to get the trackers taken out him hoim and his mom would end very badly.

>>133825 >>133828 Huh, neat.

>>133819 Yeah, I ah, wanted something more specific. I know that "Primum 10" is supposed to be impressive somehow, but how this looks from in-uni perspective?

>>133828 oWoD elder demons are unplayable, IIRC.

>>133831 Having a 10 in a stat means you're plot device strong. I don't know much about NWOD, but in OWoD that's the level you need to become an outright reality manipulator, able to turn illusions into reality or to merge with the planet itself.

>>133823 No. We basically have no examples of anyone ever teaching themselves how to use it actively except you know who.

>>133829 Its exactly that that attracted me to the franchise in the first place. It had the potential to be a grimdark star wars but Zack Snyder fucked with the release by making a director's cut.

>>133834 Voldemort could use the force?

>>133784 Not much be itself but it can interact with other abilities like Heracles and Achilles who have noble phantasms that bestow them forms of invulnerablity directly tied to their divinity, and how some noble phantasms are more or less effective on divine servant. It's also a base that can be elevated through external means to apoach the power of divine spirits, like how Hippolyta can use the Girdle of Ares to enhance her divinity to the point that she can use the war authority for stuff like creating weapons or blessing warriors. Or how one servant with divinity had millenia of simulated worship directed at them and ascended to become a new Divine spirit. Otherwise there's occasionally abilities associated with the theme like the son of a thunder god having some lightning resistance

>>133823 No. One of the fundamentals of the Force is that you cannot develop the science of it unless you are personally trained by a jedi or sith. Even with his potential the maximum he would be capable of doing is telekinesis forced by strong emotions.

>>133833 Mhmmm not quite, how much one dot of powerstat varies between splats, particularly with non-traditional power stats. But seriously, in regards to the "how impressive is demon" that's a lot of words that mean effectively nothing to the newbies.

>>133827 >>133829 >>133834 >>133838 Being serious, that's actually pretty interesting in and of itself. So even with the absolute greatest Force potential ever displayed in the universe, actually learning how to use The Force without guidance from someone else is effectively impossible?

>>133839 Hell, I actually skimmed the actual book at one point, but since NuWoD is so different from oWoD I never quite got the measure of Demons.

>>133819 Would the temakh be able to find me once I change cover? What could I offer them what do they want? And if I get a new cover immediately after going loud could I survive? Finally by going loud could i defeat a temakh?

>>133840 Yes. You need a paradigm developed by a sect to use the Force effectively. Without that, the best you will have is luck.

>>133840 Its more "five years old kid without specific directions is asked to compete with millenia old esoteric magic sects." FWIW, I'd give a different answer if timeline was a couple of decades. Chosen One will inevitably become bullshit.

>>133843 How was it learned in the first place without teachers

>>133840 Not impossible, just hard enough that you're not going to figure out any of the more interesting powers without a lifetime of trial, error, and meditation. And even then you're going to be mook tier at best.

>>133846 A lot of esoterica is effectively impossible to learn, I think. You just kinda have the gift for it, or you don't. Holocrons and history of previous wielders help, but so much of really bullshit powers comes from some bumfuck having non-replicable moment of enlightenment or innate talent.

>>133848 Well, maybe not "impossible" but most people gonna find better way to spend their time.

>>133845 The Je'daii lived in a planet that was between two force nexus for hundreds of years. Think of the Force as a science, its easy to develop when the fundamentals are already discovered. But if you have no knowledge of the fundamentals, you can't do absolutely nothing alone.

>>133843 >>133844 >>133847 So four years is nowhere near enough time to figure out anything beyond the bare basics through self study, and if you had a lifetime of meditation and experimentation you might be able to develop a few more advanced powers, but anything beyond that-even with the most bullshit potential in the galaxy-requires active guidance and/or random enlightenment?

>>133841 In that way, asking "So, what the demons could do" and getting "Well, their stats get really high" was a tremendously disappointing answer.

>>133851 Pretty much, yeah.

>>133851 Yes. You can develop special techniques as long as you aren't trying to reinvent the wheel.

>>133823 Oh, definitely. All force sensitives get a lot of luck and intuition from it, enough so that you can actively find force users by looking for outliers. They also tend to be passive stronger or faster or better with animals. Canonically that's why Anakin's the only human able to do pod-racing It's also entirely possible to learn how to use specific powers in times of desperation, with the protagonist of the Force Unleashed games being able to steal a lightsaber as an untrained child, and Asaji Ventris being able to force push someone also as an untrained child. There's also entire force sensitive races that have force powers that don't need training. The Miraluka who use the force to see, or the multiple different force-powered hivemind species Hell, the whole reason the Jedi collect force sensitive children is because they think allowing children to figure out their own powers would lead them to the Dark Side,

>>133851 Nyanko, he is five.

>>133831 It's very hard to say in simplistic terms how busted a Descent Demon is because so much of it is covered by the sheer breadth of nonsense they can get away with through Embeds and Exploits, which lets them basically hack reality or create rube goldberg machines as instant actions even before going loud. Shard could probably do a better job of summarizing them than I ever could, unfortunately. >>133842 >Would the temakh be able to find me once I change cover? Quite possibly. At the very least, I wouldn't bet on something capable of obscuring you from the GM's Angels doing the same against them. >What could I offer them what do they want? They are insane wannabe gods-kings with the powers of demigods who have values entirely alien to our own. At best, they'd demand crippling servitude and indenture for the crime of defying them. >And if I get a new cover immediately after going loud could I survive? Yes, so long as you got the fuck out of dodge and hid away from any Angels scoring the area for you. >Finally by going loud could i defeat a temakh? In their current shattered and diminished state, it's unclear if they could even do much without being anchored to their Akhem. If this were them at their former peak, then I wouldn't place good money on even a demon that's Gone Loud successfully coming out of a fight with them, but that's not any concern now.

>>133823 Sorry Chud, but only a woman could ever hope to become so talented without training

>>133853 >>133854 Fair enough. Genuinely kinda interesting. >>133855 How far do you think he'd be able to get on his own before the Jedi arrive? The general consensus seems to be that he'd develop basic tricks. >>133856 Yes, but he also built a fucking robot and races hilariously dangerous pods.

Overall, particularly with the EU shit, Force can do pretty much anything a fairly advanced fantasy setting magic system can do. But all feats are smeared really thin across bazingallion random force users across history.

>>133858 >developing a mind trick by waving her hand Truly, how could we have lived without seeing what Disney could make of Star Wars? I kneel.

>>133860 My favorite use is the Art of the Small. Transmutation + Stealth + Endopathy in the same technique.

>>133859 >How far do you think he'd be able to get on his own before the Jedi arrive? The general consensus seems to be that he'd develop basic tricks. I can see him picking up force divination and machine empathy, since he's already mostly there. Telekinesis should be pretty easy too, since that's a basic ability of the force Those three alone would be enough to free his family though, since he'd be able to detect and disable the bomb implants and then escape

>>133863 Could he? Its fair to assume he already had mechu-deru developed because of C3P0, but we are still talking about a five year old child somehow disabling two internal bomb implants and escaping from a slaver on a desert planet.

>>133836 Rey, but that is funny.

>>133859 >Yes, but he also built a fucking robot and races hilariously dangerous pods. That's pretty much a demonstration of chosen one bullshit force powers, yes. I guess >>133863 Might be correct, if he knew specifically that this sort of space magic is possible to develop and put in focused effort.

>>133832 This is true, and for good fucking reason too. Seeing as how Belial can just go "your chronicle is invalid because I spend an additional five Faith on top of my Faith 10 to nuke you with a storm large enough to envelop the sun".

>>133866 That said, getting off Ihatesand planet might be the difficult part.

>>133860 You can also teleport with that shit across galactic distances and view the past and future. Flow Walking was so fucking stupid they just stopped mentioning it and started pretending it was just advanced future vision.

>>133868 Everything in Tatooine is controlled by the hutts or criminals. One of the worst planets to ever be born in the Star Wars galaxy.

>>133864 He doesn't need to be a five year old when he does it. He could take three, four, maybe five years to figure out how to do it before the Jedi arrive; he just get clued in that "space magic is a thing you could potentially do" when he's five.

>>133864 >Could he? Yes? He's literally actively working on making an implant tracker when the plot shows up. Having the Force actively helping him would let him finish it up much much faster.

>>133871 Ah, so you mean in an AU where the invasion of Naboo doesn't happen? I think the Jedi would never find him in the first place unless something bad happened and he unleashed the dark side in a storm of emotion.

>>133870 Sadly Tattooine is like mid tier shitty, it's shit, but not >Why haven't you killed yourself yet? Tier. Lower levels Coruscant, Nar Shaddaa, Zygeria, and places like Korriban back during the Sith Empire have it beat by an entire parsec. It's in the top ten for sure, but it's not ludicrously bad like those places.

>>133851 Anakin is a genius that was able to surpass every padawan of his time while paying minimum attention to the actual lessons within ten years. Even with no teacher he would be able to develop quite a bit but outside of the barest of basics it would depend on what he was trying to do with the force.

>>133873 No, the Invasion of Naboo happens when he's around 9 years old. He's just getting randomly informed "space magic's a thing" when he's five.

Jedi in general somewhat suffer from inconsistency as even really fucking powerful force wielders periodically job to "badass normals" in competitions of reaction times, brute strength and general tactics. That doesn't really make terribly much sense, but it happens often. As far as movies and animated universe are concerned, Force Strength and shit like that is only good for jumping really good. Punching someone's head off? Naaaaaaah. Episod 1 had Force Speed in of the early scenes, but e v e r y o n e kinda forgot about it afterward.

>>133877 Precognition? Only as plot demands.

>>133876 Yes, Anakin is bullshit enough that eventually if he doesn't meet the jedi, he'll make his own jedi.

I just played a game called Recursive Ruin. I played it, loved it, and want to make a Jump of it. However, I have no fucking clue how. It's pretty much impossible to tell how much of what we're seeing is symbolic and how much is literal, or if it's a Silent Hill deal where everything is both symbolic and literal.

>>133874 You also forgot Dathomir, Nal Hutta and Kashyyk. But Tatooine is one of the worse ones. The only work you have there is either being slaved, slaving someone for some measly credits or having the luck of being born into a family with a farm, and even with that you still will probably be sniped by the sand people just for funsies.

>>133880 I know what you feel. I always wanted to make a Xavier Renegade Angel jump but i simply don't have the mastery of language necessary to make that jump.

>>133880 Make a jump where you assume everything is literal

>>133880 Just assume everything is literal for a jumper's purposes, SAO did something similar.

>>133881 Nar Shadaar. Night City/Roanapur of Star Wars. Tatooine meanwhile is like, asshole of the universe.

>>133882 WHAT DOTH LIFE?

I've got two unrelated questions; First are there any jumps that are like modern day fantasy like FFXV but with more fantasy races? Second what are some jumps you think it'd be fun to do a road trip in?

>>133886 Is the drumbbeat to which our spirits dance. Its only the size of a fist, but it packs a lot more punch. Some folks say every beat is the sound of god kicking an angel in the face.

>>133812 So every mummy the moment it reaches ascension dies? Or sutek protct them? And from what the jump says they would need a vessel to hunt me

>>133862 Tutaminus. That barehanded laser blade block from Old Republic Trailer was awesome.

Nen is the best powersystem because it even filters natives from understanding it.

>>133891 >Conjuration is great for creating a room with complex rules >The one pocket dimension dude's Hatsu is an Emission

>>133890 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAkcolVxDy0 This trailer. Also sadly demonstrates how jedi just kind of job to mortals when plot demand.

>>133893 >The sith dude survived that btw

I made a short wuxia jump for the Tai-Chi Master 1993 movie today. Any feedback is welcomed.

>>133892 Idk about the hatsu type but his affinity is emission, and he does "Emit" those doors which facilitate transportation in a way.

>>133892 Who are you talking about? Cheetu is a conjrer isn't he?