MOUSE LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is it ok to make an ex vshojo thread when vshojo haven't said anything officially? are you guys as retarded as /vt/?

new chapter begin

>>586394 Brother, its over-over. All talent and their managers left. There is literally nobody there.

I only hope Mouse can keep trusting people after all this.

>>586394 You can't be fucking serious right now

>>586394 I'd say we are even more retarded, but this is not one of those instances

>>586394 Did you just wake up or something?

>>586394 its ok intern-kun. its time to look for new place now.

Henya removed her VShojo section on Twitch Also her title: >explaining my situation and my future plans / !tts / !game / !discord / !vod / !fanbox / (TTS OFF)

>>586408 >(TTS OFF) I wanted to send her a joke about GFuel. Shame. Also butts.

>>586408 thank the lord about tts. I wonder if they've been taking henry's money as well tho she might not be able to say it either way

I think Kson's upcoming stream is stupid. She said she will be in VShojo discord server waiting for answers. I admire that she is standing up to herself and others, but this will lead to absolutely nothing.

>>586435 Grandstanding, as usual.

Just heard the news whats going on

>>586449 VShojo is dead

Ari sent in 3k and got the charity up to 300k

>>586449 Vshoujo imploding https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwLbGcUMy6g

But what if it was a misunderstanding and this is just women having a woman moment

>>586451 this has been said so many times but this is the first time it's truly unironic

This shit fucking got me dude

Women are the biggest bandwagoners of all after all

>>586454 At this point even if it were, the org is still dead.

How did this all happen in one night? Don’t you have to go through a legal process for this stuff? They all seemed way too ready to jump on it, as if it was staged.

>>586463 Mouse read lawyered statement, it was going on for a while

>>586463 Did you watch Mouse video?

>>586464 UNFORTUNATE ID

>>586463 They were all dealing with it for months if you haven't noticed

>>586463 Better change your ID after that retarded comment

>>586471 >>586466 >>586465 obvious baiting. like word for word wording during the sinder drama

>>586473 i meant the guy ur replying to

im numb now got any help?

oh and id changed to sth caca yayyyyy >>586477

catching up to Connor's takes, and Ironmouse shirt is a nice touch

>>586486 it's not just his take so much as he does give away that this was a long term problem when it comes to stupid finances which mouse hadn't talked about at all >>586456 how does chris manage to be impactful and eloquent while saying the dumbest shit possible

>>586477 Here is some henya futa cum to get you through these trying times.

300k in 12 hours https://tiltify.com/@ironmouse/ironmouse

Got me thinking I just hope that mouse would be able to conceal her private info - im not too familiar with american courts

michi will be addressing the situation

>>586532 also hope she turn off tts before starting stream.

G'morning, please tell me Mel isn't guilty

you guys should have went back to your roots before /vsj/ and named the general projekt melody+ smh

>>586540 of course she's not. she feels guilty I'm sure but she's not at fault whatsoever

>>586532 so kson in about 1.5 hours and Michi in about 4.5? Posts like Highgai's makes me think VShojo is releasing everyone and shutting down, if they haven't already.

>>586555 >love geega True!

>>586562 yeah. highgai more like, welp. more time for me to play games.

Gun applied for the same thing as kuro and has fled to Indonesia 😳

Sad Mei stopped streaming. She seemed to be in a better mood by the end atleast. I wonder how much she knew and why she seemed so sad.

All the talent managers and creative staff are being let go from the looks of it. I hope they can continue to work with the talents when they leave.

>>586598 Given his complete inactivity on twitter for the whole year, I wouldn't be surprised if he was on the run at this point. Dude has to have been ghosting everyone if even Mowtendoo was @ing him what the fucking is going on

The COO Daniel Sanders closed off or nuked his LinkedIn. Dude seems like the main suspect since he is the Chief of Operations.

i WILL post in all of lig, 8lig, big and xvsj+ and there's nothing you can do about it

The old tale of a seanigger running a company....

>>586628 This is 8, post the whole image you fuck.

>>586623 this guy is interesting, when he came in everything halted on vshojo side of things.

Wow kson waiting room is crowded

>>586655 also

>>586623 yikes I think he might be the responsible one not gun or any of the talent managers

>>586661 Still likely complicit

>>586661 Can personally vouch from experience at an old workplace where the COO deceived everyone including the CEO and ran off with tons of money. If anyone truly knows and controls the workings then it would be the COO.

>>586656 loutlot please save nova also rolando

KSON LIVE https://www.twitch.tv/ksonsouchou https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBxw80mZoWI

24 year subscriber only on kson's chat

>kson was on her way out dang we really were on the way to doom anyways

>kson was planning to leave before all that on 31st >vshojo withheld money from her too

kson wasn't paid either ah fuck it's probably most of them then

>>586689 ALMOST A YEAR

>stopped paying around september 2024 >payments were getting late

That's fucked. So it's not just mouse.

oh damn, she is crying

My sonch...

So they did ran out of money and probably failed to get any more funding.

ah fucked man, kson been shilling talent first, and then been fucked by this.

What is Loutlot even going to say jesus christ

>>586704 it hurts so much that it seems all of them and even the contractors all thought that they were alone in not being paid, they went through all this suffering and frustration for so long because they didn't know it wasn't just them

>>586718 yeah they believed in vshojo rep and kept working with them

How the fuck was this managed? If the revenue stream of merch alone didn't work out (even way before the US shitshow), why did they not sit down together and find new ways forward?

>are you still the ceo >for now yes >i know more... maybe

>"You still JP CEO?" >"Yeah for now" kek

I say again, to rely on merch as your revenue source and not have ever green merch. To rely on sponsorship cuts and not get any sponsors. Vshojo did everything wrong that they could find to do wrong.

I admire kson a lot for managing to even get someone at the top to talk live on stream. and even if loutlot ends up being full of shit here at least he's fucking talking instead of just running

>>586755 damn kaho's such a goat today

He confirmed that the charity money vanished and wasn't paid.

>I've just been told to bring money oof

💬kson: Like Mousey said, to prevent leaking my personal information, I had VShojo handle deals and stuff on my behalf. 💬kson: They weren't supposed to take my money, and would only handle the communication for me. 💬kson: But I guess they took them anyways. 💬kson: All right, let me call the JP CEO. 💬kson: Hello. 💬Loutlot: Hello. 💬kson: Can you guys hear him clearly, chat? 💬kson: Hold on while I check with chat. 💬kson: So, this is the JP CEO of VShojo. 💬kson: Are you still the CEO? 💬Loutlot: Yes I am. 💬kson: He'll be explaining in both Japanese and English. Is that okay? 💬Makino: I'm not so good at English, and I want to be super careful what I say here. 💬kson: Okay, only Japanese then. 💬Makino: First, a disclaimer. 💬Makino: I am still affiliated with the company. 💬Makino: Which means I shouldn't be here. 💬Makino: In terms of the company, I shouldn't be here. 💬Makino: If I say too much here, regardless of whether that's a good thing or bad thing, it could affect many people, including talents and non-talents. 💬Makino: So there are things I can and cannot say. 💬Makino: When I can't reply, it's not necessarily because I'm taking the company's side. 💬Makino: And there are also things I don't know. 💬Makino: So, my concern is to limit the effect I have on everyone. 💬Makino: So, my answers might not reach the standard that the viewers expect. 💬Makino: Also, I've been introduced as the JP CEO, but I'm actually not greatly involved in the operating of the company. 💬Makino: I was in a helping role only really when a project required using Japanese resources. 💬Makino: Many other things weren't in my purview. 💬Makino: And perhaps hidden from me too. 💬Makino: So I can only speak from my own perspective. 💬Makino: I also cannot share much of my own opinion. 💬kson: Right, we want facts, not opinion. 💬Makino: I have heard that the company is working on their PR answer. 💬kson: Still?! 💬Makino: Yeah, it's taking some time. 💬kson: So, is it fair to say that the JP branch and EN branch are very different? 💬kson: And that you were not involved in so much of the stuff that was going on? 💬Makino: Depends on the project. 💬kson: Okay, there's one question I really do want an answer to. 💬kson: Then we'll take some questions from chat. 💬kson: But first, let's explain to chat about what's happened. 💬kson: Why we are here. 💬Makino: Oh, you want me to do it? 💬kson: Yes please. 💬Makino: Today, Ironmouse released a "I'm leaving VShojo" video. 💬Makino: She said that, like you, she is owed money from Vshojo. 💬Makino: And that there is money meant for a charity that VShojo did not pay on her behalf. 💬Makino: Amounting to over 500k USD. 💬kson: Put simply, that embezzlement, isn't it?

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💬Makino: Embezzlement... 💬kson: Well, the question becomes, where did the money go, right? 💬Makino: That's true. 💬Makino: I believe it may have been used for operational costs. 💬kson: I haven't received any money from VShojo starting Sep last year, though. 💬kson: Does "operational cost" refer to the staff's salaries, then? 💬Makino: Of course, I can only speak for the movement of money in the Japanese branch. 💬kson: I just really want to know why we kept not being paid, despite asking repeatedly. 💬Makino: To my understanding, money flow wasn't good. 💬Makino: It wasn't so much actively lying, but leaving questions unanswered. 💬kson: Did you know about Mousey's thing before it got out? 💬Makino: I can only speak from my own perspective. 💬Makino: I knew of it only a few weeks ago.

VshojoJP was apparently doing good financially but they didn't see the money.

>>586769 Thank you Anon-kun

Hestia is never leaving the office...

yup it's as we thought

This all definitely feel like one bastard rat in the company embezzling a huge sum of money from talents and managers. It started in last year, which was the influx of staff, no? So probably it was one of the staffs there who have been taking all the staff and members' money and ran off with it. Then he ghosted calls, other staffs, etc,...for a whole course, which leads to an internal witch hunt to find the culprit, making gun go silent for an entire year This is just my rrat however. We'll have to wait when the vshojo side makes a statement.

This is looking really really bad, i'm assuming he can't talk for legal reasons.

>>586769 💬kson: When you found out, it's a bad thing, right? 💬Makino: Yes. 💬kson: How did you deal with it? 💬Makino: That money was held by the main company. 💬Makino: There wasn't much I myself could do. 💬Makino: And I couldn't look into the finances personally. 💬Makino: So I kept asking them how they were going to get the money back. 💬kson: So you were rushing about trying to gather up the money for it. 💬Makino: Right. 💬kson: How much money is VShojo owing overall? 💬Makino: I cannot see that. 💬Makino: And even if I can, that very likely falls under information I cannot share. 💬kson: How about VShojo JP? 💬Makino: Let me first explain the organizational structure of VShojo. 💬Makino: There is JP and EN. 💬Makino: JP is entirely under EN. 💬Makino: The finances of JP are pretty much all held by EN too. 💬Makino: JP has its own budget. 💬Makino: So we can only see how much we use and earn. 💬Makino: So, the two organizations are not entirely separated. 💬Makino: The amount handled by JP was much lower than by EN. 💬kson: Did you say VShojo JP itself was doing good? 💬Makino: Yes. 💬kson: You haven't paid me. 💬kson: That's what it says on the main company's finance book. 💬kson: Huh? 💬kson: Wait, so you know the JP talents were not being paid yet? 💬Makino: Yes. 💬kson: That's not "doing good", then. 💬Makino: We were doing good comparing the money coming in to the money going out. 💬kson: I quit VShojo today. 💬Makino: Hai. 💬kson: I was planning on doing it on the 31, but I'm doing it today. 💬kson: I quit. 💬kson: This is very wrong. 💬Makino: I understand. 💬kson: You're telling me you could have paid me? 💬Makino: Yes. 💬kson: Then where is (the money)? 💬kson: I want it now. 💬Makino: ........ 💬kson: Did you just die? 💬Makino: I'm here. 💬kson: I'm not the only JP talent. 💬Makino: Yes. 💬Makino: The funds was all combined. 💬Makino: All I could see was the money coming in and going out.

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💬kson: But that money going out is supposed to go to the talents? 💬Makino: Yes. 💬kson: I....don't fully understand, but let's move on. 💬kson: Let's talk about VShojo merch. 💬kson: If people buy the merch, does the money not come to us talents anymore? 💬Makino: So, as I said, VShojo JP's wallet is the same as EN's. 💬Makino: So if EN's wallet is empty, JP's is empty too. 💬Makino: When all the talents leave, the company will disband entirely. 💬Makino: The sponsorships you talents have are contracted to you directly, so they should still be good. 💬kson: So you will change all the contracts so that the money goes directly to us talents? 💬Makino: Yes. 💬kson: Since we possess our own IPs. 💬Makino: That's what we're doing on the JP side, at least.

https://x.com/unnamednow00/status/1947635690726166700 >vshojo also intended to get u-san

>>586794 Damn, she's not pulling any punches.

>>586799 If they were just going to go through my /in/posting folder, they could've just hired me.

Loutlot did nothing wrong and got punished too

Sounds like they were getting hard carried by the talents this whole time, i'm not surprised they were so incompetent couldn't even set up a fucking minecraft server.

>talent first my ass kek

listening to his tone and the translation... sounds truthful for the most part. he should have blown the whistle or something earlier that things were fishy but it seems like he never thought there was purposeful theft and he wasn't trying to cover that up. this entire thing on every level is based on assumptions that people at the top were doing the right thing

>talent first my ass, wasn't that rather staff first? >silence Holy shit

>>586810 I think he was silent because that's the sort of thing it would be legally unwise to respond to either way

>>586788 even if that's the case, your top management are still responsible, especially for letting it get that far it's never made sense to me how people can be responsible for an organization that large with that much money flowing through it and not obsessively monitor every dollar or at least pay a trustworthy outside source to do it with a line to a red phone if anything looks even remotely screwy

>>586809 not absolving him of blame but i can understand loutlot's perspective and the reason he agreed to do this call in the first place. JP branch got shafted because there are bad actors in the HQ not releasing the money.

>>586809 >blow whistle >Japan these two don't work together

>>586817 At the end of the day his job was to look out for the talent under him. At least one of his talent weren't getting their pay since September 2024 and yet nothing was done by him until Mouse blew the whistle. He's as guilty as Gun.

>>586820 >Go under some JP company Oh pink haired woman... Time to strike

>>586797 💬kson: So, this is what I want to know. And what everyone wants to know: Why did this happen? 💬Makino: Again, I don't know everything, and can only speak from what I know. 💬kson: Yes? 💬Makino: The company was lax with its finances. 💬Makino: There were questions that we JP staff kept asking but didn't get answers to. 💬Makino: I suspect they didn't track their money properly. 💬kson: So it wasn't someone doing something maliciously? 💬Makino: Yes. 💬kson: They just weren't good at managing their finances? 💬kson: Are you getting paid right now? 💬Makino: Pretty much getting nothing. 💬kson: What's "almost"? 💬Makino: I got a pay cut. 💬kson: What's that? 💬Makino: My salary got slashed to less than half, starting at the start of this year. 💬kson: Sorry to bring the conversation back to myself. 💬kson: But I can only talk about myself. 💬kson: While I wasn't getting paid, you were getting paid. 💬kson: Staff has to get paid, so I'm not like, "Don't pay the staff," but that sounds kind of unfair to me. 💬Makino: I agree. 💬Makino: Whether it was the right decision or not aside, from an overall perspective, the idea is that the company's finances has to improve before we can pay money out. 💬Makino: To get the company back on track, we need to have staff running the company. 💬kson: Isn't it more important to keep the talents paid? Or am I just biased cus I'm a talent? 💬Makino: Both are important, yeah. 💬kson: People are paying VShojo because they want to support their talents, though. 💬Makino: Yeah, you're right. 💬kson: Talents first my ass. Was it staff first? 💬Makino: .......... 💬Makino: All I can say is, the staff aren't in the wrong. 💬kson: It's not like I want to blame anyone, cus that's not gonna pay my checks. 💬Makino: The biggest problem is that the JP wallet was combined with the EN one. 💬Makino: There was discussion to separate the two. 💬Makino: Since the JP side's cash flow was good. 💬Makino: So, there was talk about separating the two. 💬kson: Sorry, bringing it back to me. Just confirming again that if I have merch going out and people buy it, that money comes back to me? 💬kson: And sorry again that I'm only talking about myself, because other talents will speak for themselves. 💬kson: So, is my debt going to be paid? 💬Makino: That depends on whether the company (the US side) can recover. 💬Makino: But I don't think chances are good. 💬kson: I feel like I got scammed. 💬kson: I kept getting "Wait, we'll pay you." 💬kson: And the fans paid using the money they worked hard to earn, to buy our merch. 💬kson: And support us through our deals. 💬kson: And all that money that got paid to VShojo is now gone? 💬kson: That feels very much like a scam. 💬kson: I was planning on using the money I would get from the fans to do bigger and better things for them. 💬kson: And it was quite a large amount.

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💬Makino: Yes. 💬kson: So I just really want to know where all the money went. 💬kson: This is really not good. 💬Makino: Yes. 💬kson: The monetization from streams themselves were not touched by VShojo. 💬kson: So it's not like the talents (including me) are entirely out of money. 💬kson: But that's not the issue. 💬kson: It's more like, the trust from the fans. 💬kson: Was this company trying to add more talents? 💬kson: Even though they haven't paid me yet. 💬kson: What was up with that? 💬Makino: Yes, VShojo was trying to add more talents. 💬kson: Was the idea that more money would then come in and they could use that to cover the outstanding expenses? 💬Makino: I don't think they were thinking that far. 💬Makino: Those in charge of adding talents were only in charge of adding talents. 💬Makino: The fact that money was drying up was not the reason for adding more talents. 💬Makino: But now that we all have a bigger picture, it seems wise to have stopped. 💬kson: Someone should have stopped the situation. 💬kson: Did anyone inside VShojo say, "Hey, there's something wrong. Let's not do this." 💬kson: "Let's see where our finances are going." 💬kson: "Looks like this amount of money should be paid to the talents. We should do something about that." 💬kson: Did anyone say anything about that? 💬Makino: The thing about adding talents/adding content (including managers in the US) is run through a profit/loss analysis.

>>586817 100% >>586824 nah. not blameless but certainly not guilty on the same level of the upper end of EN staff

Novas are fucked, man

>>586840 >nova doesn't have the freedom to just go indie, like henya and kson so fucking over

>>586847 That isn't quite what he said. But still vague so not sure.

Damn this was even harsher than I expected. Henya will probably be even worse.

>>586851 this fucking sucks man

tl;dr >Loutlot is ceo of JP is subordinate to EN >Money were sent to EN branch and never came back >from his books JP was in green but EN owes alot to talent and staff >he is trying as much as possible to do good as long as he is still CEO of JP >kson and henya will go indie, there is hope to keep NOVA as a group together

That means NOVA never received their merch money, jesus

>>586851 Hestia probably owns her own IP. Ksheena willing to buyout Nagi's IP. Please, someone save peke and hotaru

>>586863 >someone save peke ZETA Divison peke arc incoming

>>586827 💬Makino: They would get the green light if the analysis is that profit could be gotten back. 💬kson: So people got lied to? 💬kson: Who lied? 💬Makino: I can't really answer that. 💬kson: Any questions from chat? 💬kson: I'm sorry, chat. There's so many things going on in my head. 💬kson: There are legal issues going on. 💬kson: And I don't want to start anything for the other girls. 💬kson: There are so many things I want to tell you that I shouldn't. 💬kson: What will happen to Nova? 💬Makino: Regarding those under my purview.... 💬kson: Who's that? 💬Makino: The staff and talent of JP. 💬Makino: You, Henya, Nova, and the JP staff. 💬Makino: Regarding all of you, I want to take as much responsibility as I can. 💬Makino: My own power is limited, of course. 💬Makino: Like I said, I can change your contracts so that you talents get paid directly. 💬Makino: How long I can remain in VShojo is still unknown, but I'll do as much as I can in the limited time I have. 💬Makino: I believe you and Henya can still keep going as indies. 💬Makino: I believe you and Henya can still keep going as indies. 💬Makino: I'll separate the staff to give you as much support as possible to continue your activities. 💬Makino: And I can change your contracts. 💬Makino: Nova is different. 💬Makino: It's a whole group. 💬Makino: They aren't in the black yet, finance-wise. 💬Makino: So it's a bit harder. But I'm trying to find a way for them to continue being a group. 💬Makino: But the managers assigned to you and Henya should be able to continue working with you. 💬Makino: And we'll do our best to continue supporting Nova as best we can. 💬kson: So......I see. 💬kson: Will VShojo disappear entirely? 💬Makino: I cannot say for sure, and it's out of my control. 💬kson: Lemme see how chat is taking things. 💬kson: Since my own mind is a bit filled right now. 💬kson: I know there's a lot of things you want to ask. 💬kson: Wait a minute. 💬Chat: So basically, no one knows what happened to the money 💬kson: Pretty much, yeah. 💬kson: There's no point blaming the JP CEO, of course. 💬kson: But with things having gotten like this, we need some sort of explanation. 💬kson: We need official word from the company. 💬Chat: Will there be an apology from the company? 💬kson: Or a statement? 💬Makino: I sure hope so. 💬kson: There are so many things I have to apologize to the fans for. 💬kson: But, thank you JP CEO, for now. 💬Makino: Right. 💬kson: In any case, thank you for coming onto this stream.

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💬Makino: Thank you for having me. 💬Makino: Since you joined us, we've talked a lot, and I'm terribly sorry things have ended this way. 💬kson: Thank you for coming to the stream. 💬Makino: Thank you for having me. 💬kson: Well, all right. 💬kson: So, that was the VShojo JP CEO. 💬kson: Of course, I have no intention of doing a blaming stream where I go, "It's all so-and-so's fault. 💬kson: But I do want to clarify that all VShojo talents still hold their own IP. 💬kson: So what they've lost is lots of trust and lots of money. 💬kson: It's not that they cannot continue streaming. by the way these are translated by Taishi I just removed his name because it's in every single line and I don't want to do unnecessary word spam

Unsurprisingly Kson is going completely indie from now on

She lost "Ferrari" amount of money

Kson buying back Mamane

Well, Mouse was in Vshojo for exactly 1700 days.

Kson is going to rehire her manager who had joined VShojo along with her back then

>>586899 p sure they're all going to be just directly paying their managers, it's easier to do that then try and find new ones

>>586769 >>586797 >>586827 >>586876 Wow. I hope they can get at least some of the money back

>>586908 The money is gone, buddy.

>>586908 money dried up long time ago, they will never see them

>>586908 pay with what money

>>586882 it's crazy to me how people will just be okay with not getting paid the whole fucking village should be set on fire if what you're owed is a minute late no one should ever accept that in any line of work as soon as it starts happening you're fucked 9/10 times and should be operating with that in mind

>>586929 this bitch is psychotic

>>586929 Mentally ill retard, fuck off lmao

>>586929 go back to kick, harlot

>>586929 I've seen a lot of blatant narcissism in my time, but that might make top five hoooly

>>586929 ????????????

man... Shit got really fucked up. It also lines up with all the problems and zenheras since last year.

Now i think mata was fired because she said fuck it where's my money...

>>586938 yeah it's interesting how this all explains the dooming vageposts for the past like 8 months from all the talents

>>586929 What is my blud yapping about >>586938 Sounds like she wasn't being Zenhera for nothing after all

>>586945 knowing how zen is deadly afraid of being send back to a 9 to 5 the fear of losing everything must had been terrible. She also had just bought a house.

>>586929 she, like shylily, can go fuck herself

Rolling oof what a morning and I just woke up >>586929 also wtf is she on about lol ??????????????

>>586929 Jesus fucking christ, read the room, you fucking retard. Talent got scammed for money and this stupid bitch is crying about raids and EN people watching other girls, stay on Kick you stupid harlot.

>>586929 damn all the annoying people are coming out to say something

didn't vshojo hire a few high-level execs last year, i saw anons posted their linkedin profiles. Guess the money had to go somewhere

>>586969 >>585980

We know that everyone didn't get their merch and sponsorship money but did the Novas at least get money through their twitch and youtube channels? >>586965 The worst ones are all the larpers who are suddenly pretending to care about Henya when they previously never talked about her streams or were constantly complaining about how she "changed" to the point of her being annoyed enough to bring it up a couple times

>>586969 From everything coming out from other streamers and contractors, it's typical San Francisco start up bullshit. Parties and cars.

>>586969 the problem with vshojo started A LONG time ago. As connor said, the company was basically a pyramid scheme that worked for a time but the money ended and they had nowhere else from who to take.

>>586876 Missed the stream, thanks for the transcript. I’m surprised JP side was viable and self-sufficient. Too bad EN was a clusterfuck and had JP totally subservient

>>586929 My sides genuinely hurt.

so, from Loutlot's words - JP was doing good. Sure, Henya and kson was carrying them hard, but I would imagine nova comparatively don't take that much finances to run from souchou and stinky. But, at same time, EN was withholding money from them. Now, it is safe to assume that EN is MASSIVE compared to kson and henya and nova. They had to bring in much more money. And it still went so bad that kson at least is owned somewhere up to 300k. With all that in mind - WHAT THE FUCK YOU SPEND EN MONEY ON? EN was printing merch like crazy, Mouse and Zen were slaving their asses off, Michi made shitton of merch

>>586984 probably true but im just corroborating when the money slowed down to a halt, according to kson, she didn't get her merch money since sept 2024

Kson is based for what she did. I hope the girls will be ok :/

>>586990 (me) they were so fucking crazy on merch it became "It's merch" meme, the whole pot that was "withheld" has to be scary big

>>586990 They had to pay back that 11M anon

>>586990 mixer parties at every anime con in LA

>>586990 The money got embezzled

>>586990 He quite literally said that Nova was not in the black.

>>586990 Maybe they were actually stupid enough to pay for the game studio that went down. I really thought they would just give out licenses...

It seems the start of this shitshow was the "talent freedom" campaign when they spent a massive amount of money trying to promote vshojo on jp EVEN BEFORE VSHOJOJP was a thing. There is also the many parties they did in some cons and hiring more and more people.

>>586990 Many failed investments (VStream, autograph machine), staff salary (pretty sure a lot of people were getting 6 digit salary). You can't survive on merch alone with this size, especially if you are not pulling sponsors

>>586990 after TT talked how much it cost to do shit at AX when they did their first booth It always intrigued me how vshojo managed to do shit at multiple AXs Also I think they fucked up with the merch stuff when they tried to bring it in house and that made them into the red even more

>>587006 That is the big issue on the company side, and Connor was very clear in his "hypothetical". You need money coming in. Vshojo did not invest in ways that would bring money in.

>>586990 Man, wasn’t there a Chinese company that let talents buy out before bankrupting? That was infinitely more transparent and they tried to make things work. Which was the right way to close down. VSJ hired so many fucking staff yet projects barely moved, so much incompetence

>>587010 yeah if they had invested on in house merch from day one I'm telling you all this shit might not have even happened

Kuro is indie now, if it wasn't obvious before

k9kur/out/ >same with everyone other member More statements on the way.

I remember sonch making a joke about Vshojo running out of money then shortly after twitter says that Vshojo just paid for an entire hotel for a con

Buff live, wouldn't be surprised if she has something to say that's new.

man if they are owing kson 300k, imagine how much money they took from mouse and zen. Dude, they were literally carrying this circus.

>>587024 Remember, Mouse hasn't made a statement on how much she is personally owed. Just the $500k to the IDF.

>>587024 THIS IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IT HAS TO BE FUCKING UNBELIVABLE PILE OF MONEY >>587023 I'm there for her loosing her temper and tearing a new hole in gunrun

>>587023 >>587031 she's probably going to rage out for the unpaid artists, that's what she was extra pissed about with nano's situation, that they disrespected her as an artist

>>587027 probably because she has no idea how much. IDF she knows

>>587031 Wages are also insane, that’s why I was also skeptical they hired so many people even though their merch or sponsors haven’t scaled. If someone haven’t paid me in over a month I would leave already, talents were too negligent and emotional in their business dealings.

>be me >Finish a contract that have been working from months >Go out with cowokers to celebrate >Turn off internet and phone >Come back home >Happy.jpg >Sleep >Wake up the next day >The whole vshojo is burning to the ground >Am I Froot? I told y'all to forget about the company side of things, y'all'll live happier

>>587055 You got the green ID, so you might as well be Froot.

>>587058 fuck man... Poor kson, second time she got fucked over at least now she got the american taste.

>>587058 holy

Just know that this is likely to be dragged out for over a year once it actually hits the courts. Not even counting how long it'll take to GET to the courts.

>>587075 worst thing is, with how long it will be dragged it may outrange the money owed, and even that has a chance of still not being delivered with how bankrupcy laws in the us go

>>587078 Mouse, Kson, the rest of the talent, and the IDF are not going to be seeing any money from a successful lawsuit. I personally went through the same thing, the money is already gone. You're suing for basically nothing.

>>587075 >>587078 I mean, what’s the point though. Pay them back with what money lmao, liquidate some camera equipment, a few iPads and an autograph machine?

It has been done.

>>587082 Exactly. They owe over a million dollars. They don't have that on hand, they don't have that in assets. Still sue, but know that you're not going to actually get any money back.

>>587082 i don't know how it works in the US but here justice goes after EVERYTHING you have and liquidate to pay the victims apart from your house.

>>587087 They will be forced to liquidate everything they have for pennies on the dollar, but that won't be nearly enough to pay anyone back in any significant amount. Especially since Vshojo is an LLC. They may not be able to go after Gun and associates directly.

I'm happy Mouse has many friends but Connor and Buff in particular are important for someone so naturally non-confrontational

>>587091 at this point mouse is just covering her ass. How would she explain 500k vanishing?

>>587087 That’s what corps are for, depending on structure they have limited liability. They liquidate the company but you can’t touch the people’s personal assets.

>>587084 she was last one right?

>>587099 yes

>>587094 >How would she explain 500k vanishing She explained it as best she can, retard. She had Vshojo handle her subs and donations for anonyminity and privacy purposes. All her money hit Vshojo before it got to her. The $500k meant for the IDF never got donated or given to her.

>>587099 I reckon she just logged off and cried. She did say she was sick and needed to think

>>587102 yeah I don't want to imagine stress they are going through, hopefully talking to each other to figure out what to do though

>>587102 she's the most betrayed emotionally behind mouse, really feel for her

>>587101 retard, i'm saying that if she didn't bring it to the open she would be accused of stealing the money.

>>587084 >>587084 to see your brand that you lovingly created go up in flames for fraudulent actions (by other people) is truly a heartbreaking moment. I feel for Mel.

>>587108 I mean, I don’t know how someone can quantify betrayal, but I guess you’re judging from time invested perspective. I would argue kson and michi is also highly betrayed, because they had to deal with black shit, found a ‘kind’ home to go all in on but only to go through it again.

oh yeah, Buff knows a lot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTwzEBb3DY4 membersonch stream soon

>>587119 Anon it seems EVERYONE knew about it but us... Even mei was in the knowing.

>>587119 Anyone close to Mouse and Zen likely know everything.

>>587122 > but us buddy we're no one important to the talents, of course we're not gonna know shit lmao

>>587119 I think everyone pretty much knew about it remember those ominous tweets from indies like 1-2 weeks ago

>>587124 Probably Geega and Matara, as well.

>>587125 yes anon, that is the point... Everyone already knew but the public. There is a cuck jokes in my country about you are being the "cuck surprise". One day you just discovers about it, "surprise".

Thanks again for filter ID

>>587128 i wouldnt put it past people close to kson too, they just can't talk about it because japanese defamation laws

Wait, didn't rolling stones published an interview with gunrun like one week ago? WTF?

I don't even know what to say anymore

>>587122 I mean, frankly I didn’t care and actively chose not to. I’m not a manager, staff nor talent. I just focus on streams, if there’s a stink I start to pay attention though now I’m just sniped with a giant turd. Now I don’t even have streams though and grills are hurt bad

<How did you go bankrupt?” Bill asked. <“Two ways,” Mike said. “Gradually and then suddenly.”

>>587143 it was bound to happen, mouse was getting tired and hurt all the time.

is someone watching buff? She said something about being selected to the first audition and after one year of silence about her being selected they just "dropped" her and gave 500 bucks KEK

>>587144 it truly was just a slowly boling pressurized pot that never let the steam out and exploded

>>587150 I can't wait for the documentary about this shitshow.

Michi's stream is starting

>>587145 I trust mouse, I figured it was 70% dad and 30% stupid shit in company or girls drama. I waited for her to open up but I didn’t expect this nuke, well no one did.

Michi is live

Stuff like this really brings out the biggest vultures huh? Like there is a whole section of people who just thrives and absolutely feast on bad things happening to the talents. It's sad, im really sad for the girls.

>>587160 Who cares nobody will be left in the org. Let them feast.

>>587163 they're attacking the talents directly for instance, there's some faggot shitting on mel for being the last one to remove her vshojo stuff as well as some people in kson's chat doing the same

>>587160 What irks me especially is how the drama parasites switched from attacking the talents directly to pretending they only hated the company this whole time (except for Froot's antis of course)

>>586929 >so I told them to stop acting selfishly Makes no sense in regards to the rest of the posts. Google translate moment?

>>587160 We’ll see if loutlot can protect the Novas. He seemed sympathetic and at least he manned up to speak publicly despite this being an EN fuck up

>that background oof

>>587154 It breaks my heart to see mouse sad and suffering. She was always this chaotic ball of silliness and happiness, i'm 100% parasocial for her KEK. Also the FIRST clip that brought to vshojo was this one https://clips.twitch.tv/ObservantGlutenFreeVampireDuDudu God time flies...

>tts off fuh

>>587174 no, that's nazuna unironically stating that raids were done with the intention to siphon her viewers from her

4chinchin goes to shit The thread/here/ goes to shit >>587160 Yep. Trying to have a convo or a uplifting chat rn with all the enraged mass that lives of being a hatefu mob it's impossible

She changed picture on table?

>>587183 Yeah, this woman is really silly retard.

>>587160 >>587170 >>587173 yea sometimes the biggest dramafags aren't even the dramatubers themselves but the ppl who don't know how to stfu

michi is so unserious

>>587190 it's her cope mechanism anon

>>586990 It does seem like VShojo was profligate with their money, (advertising, sponsorships, amenities, all those con appearances), but most of it probably went to salaries and paying contractors. I think you may be overestimating their cashflow. Yes, EN makes a lot of money, but VShojo let them keep most of it. All of the streaming income stayed with the talent (except when VShojo pocketed it lololololol) and even where they did take a cut, it was small. Geega and Michi have both said it's less than half, Connor was throwing out numbers like 20%, 10% last night. They might only have been bringing in $1-2k every time a member does a sponsored stream, that just isn't enough when you have to pay at least a dozen staff. So they had unsustainably low cashflow, and on top of that they were splurging. It actually makes sense to me they ran out of money.

>>587183 Ignore the psycho. Viewer loss is everything but her fault, totally wasn’t also having a husband causing her parasocials to commit sukodu. I’ll always remember what that bitch did to Henya

kek classic michi

>>587194 Even so it gives me hope for the future once everyone's contract is finally over

Lvl 25 treasure train btw

>>587183 Oh I thought she was saying she didn't like them dumping English viewers on her since she couldn't understand them. Amazing.

>>587197 im really glad she was long gone by the time nova joined. She'd have murdered peke, probably unironically

https://x.com/PiaPiUFO/status/1947672993637011843 Statement from PiaPi, she was actually picked from auditions

>>587185 yeah. also the background. i kinda forgot. it used to have vshojo logo i think?

it's debt everywhere

>>587212 maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan pia is a nice girl too...

OOOOF

>>587212 they really got a 2 viewer this time around... LOL

>>587221 >VShojo did the same thing with Michi as with Mouse, they stole her money

oh michi... Thank god for numi, really.

>>587229 at this point, everyone money got stolen for keeping vshojo afloat.

It really hurts seeing all of the girls so sad...

K, we need to find who did this exactly and send a hit squad after them. Poor Michi

Seeing Michi like this is heartbreaking and i'm not looking forward to hearing Henya's part...

>>587245 I won’t survive Henya’s stream.

>>587212 I wonder if there's a way the 2views can still "debut" outside of VShojo, like maybe the other members and the community can help set it up. But not if everyone got their money stolen...

Thank god she will keep on streaming

I guess Michi had a point, vshojo did save Michi, Matara, Mint and Kuro especially. Maybe that’s why it pardoned a lot of incompetence and made people turn a blind eye to a lot of sins under the hood

>>587245 >mouse crying >kson crying >michi crying god this will be awful.

remember when mono was our biggest problem?

>I have more bad news >the subathon... >will be moved by a couple of days this retard

>>587255 That's the thing, the reason everyone gave vshojo so much leeway and just tried to wait this out They had INSANE goodwill in the entire industry. They had great reputation. But the last 8 months it started eroding and it has now exploded into dust

... there is more than money, stop

>>587270 everyone said that there is more than money. but money owed is only thing they can talk about

>>587263 I’ve made the occasional dark joke, savior complex and battered shelter isn’t a business model. They definitely had so much goodwill, so this shit hits extra hard

>>587276 so... Nyan leaving because of all the futa rape pics rrat was real D:

>>587255 Yeah she did say things were going very well at first, and it was true for a while, her being so happy, growing so fast, and streaming so much really made me think that everything was at least fine behind the scenes until they all started vagueposting in the last couple months

Maiko is still Michi's manager.

Sounds like Maiko will still be supporting Michi

Unfortunate raid timing

Can't they go back together and form like a doujin circle just like Vshiban? Vtubers are cute and fun when they are in groups you know...Just vshojo in the early days

>>587306 time anon... Time

>>587298 Maiko seems like a good person tbh, hope Michi will do well

>>587310 what the

>>587306 At the rate things are going Mouse will own the VShojo IP given all the money they owe her.

one thing i won't like form this is the coming romantization of being indie, specially coming from the big ones that have huge teams behind the scenes, but since they don't have a brand logo attached to them they get to call themselves indies (*cough*lily*cough*) U-san ranted about this in their bluesky (which is their more personal account as oppsed to twitter which is for content only) and i think this is insanely true. The bigger indies paint a misconstructed picture of what it means to be independent, and people roll with it expecting everyone to have lily levels of management as a one person gig

>>587285 Was a good ride while it (the money) lasted. zombie vshojo is just… well I think lately it’s just shit everywhere

>>587310 is this related to kahos tweet?

>>587310 Zens scared hes going to be outed as a moid

>>587329 most probably, yes

>>587323 Part of Kaho's posts from last night. But its literally all unverified rumors from her so Zen's just flying off the handle again w/o thinking first.

>>587329 Yeah she's just taking it at face value.

>>587337 what's funny is that kaho backpedaled a bit in a reply immediately after kek

>>587342 yeah, she forgot she is a jp citizen

Always some autist retard making this about their platform war

Maiko being Michi's manager is still in limbo

Maiko the goat

Retrospectively, not only was all the dooming entirely right, but it didn't go far enough. No one even speculated anything as bad as what actually happened.

>>587355 i didn't said vshojo was on it's way out by the lack of communication and gunrun vanishing BUT BY GODS i didn't imagine it was this bad.

>>587349 I think she sorta confirmed that Maiko will stay. Makes sense, he was let go from corp and it will be better if he can stay manager of indie Michi and Kuro and maybe Ama?

>>587327 Based u-san keeping it real

>>587327 both of you seem kind of retarded being indie doesn't mean you can't hire people to do shit for you everyone with half a brain knows successful content creation is a small business and like most small businesses, you start out doing almost everything yourself until you can afford otherwise and there's nothing wrong with thinking that's the best way to go if people can handle it

>>587377 anon it's very expensive to hire someone to look over your deals. That's why people join talent agencies.

>>587355 I mean logically I knew things went off the rails for some time. The signs were all there, we just didn't knew the extent. VShojo pretty much went dead months ago, with the most activity being retweets and very rare merch stuff. And I feel nothing about this whole collapse, I feel relieved even, finally everyone will be able to move on.

Indies were easy due to TRUST. Bao gets serial scammed because things don’t have brand and a track record. They just need to all chip on for maiko and share them as indies. Wonder if they can afford him

>>587377 yes anon everyone can have a team of lily's size just hire people with your magical money that exists in the same place where vshojo's money went

Kill these subhumans

>>587383 In a way, it's one of the better outcomes. Everyone leaves immediately instead of a slow decline, there's a clear villain and it's not any of the talents or even the beloved managers so we don't have to search for someone to blame, everyone will still be around just not affiliated with the group. Shitty about the millions of dollars that got stolen though.

>>587389 Doki had the same size team and was in the red and also scammed no?

>>587401 are you retard?

>>587392 nah, he is right on this one.

>>587401 idk if the same size but she also has a robust team and yes, she also got scammed by one of her project managers

>can we keep kuro <no

>>587385 He will be overworked bruh

>>587411 It seems like the world of content creation is just people scamming each other constantly.

>>587423 yeah ludwig talked about that when he reacted to the mouse video

>>587429 i mean ludwig's situation with offbrand is not too disimillar

At least the IDF is getting their money. It'll take less than 24h to equal the money gun pocketed.

>>587423 most of them are very gullible

>>587438 man that is awesome

Ama confirmed for fasted /out/ at 177 days /in/. Not like it matters.

Do all indos have a pajeet accent or is it just Michi's family?

Michi is excited for the subathon, I hope it will be good and that Mono shows up as little as possible if at all

>>587411 RIP. Yeah I remember hearing something like that but didn’t know the details

>>587160 the regulars here who go >100 posts per thread are horrible posters

>>587462 and for the record, u-san and shoto got scammed with some money from their 3d concert in thailand too this industry is a den of hyenas (funfact i typed henyas, and had to correct it kek) ready to scam you at the first opportunity

>>587452 Indos are slightly less goofy and more friendly imo, it’s not the same

Zen live

>>587468 woulda been good if it was henyas

>>587452 as someone who used to watch some of the nijiIDs who would speak english regularly, the accent is a bit like that but michi exaggerates it for the bit

>>587382 proofs? you know the third world exists and not all of them are retarded, right? it's also a lot more than just "looking over deals" and a single person doesn't need to be responsible for all of it >>587389 this but unironically, how do you think corpos can function? at some point you make enough money and the responsibilities start outweighing your ability to cover it, so you start sacrificing money to editors, social media managers, assistants, and so on, usually bit by bit over time it's not rocket science >>587401 this is the bigger issue, and doki had it worse because she didn't get the chance to grow from zero and slowly build a proven team over time and not all of them are cut out to run empires whether it's just too much stress or they're too gullible and not equipped to deal with all the vampires that's okay, it's just another business cost either pay it in scams or pay it in competent representation

michi is putting the tarot cards down for good thank god

Another one This one was one of MTD's favorites, iirc

Michi is now scared of reading tarot cards

>>587486 man...what could have been if Gunrun wasn't a retard.

>>587494 Good. Keep her away from that shit.

>>587486 Fuck dude. A new gen would have been great. Why did they have to screw everything up?

>>587494 Her shaman genes are too strong.

>>587494 I think it's best to live with ignorance is bliss. No more tarot cards Michi. We're better off not knowing.

Michi >As of right now I'm no longer part of VShojo obvious, but it's the first time she said it I think

>>587482 >you know the third world exists and not all of them are retarded, right? amazing way to get scammed and not even knowing.

Tori Oriane just confirmed she was in too. I called a bunch of threads ago before we all started dooming. A part of me wants to cry as I actually watched her somewhat. The timing of her leaving VNU and her just constantly talking about an opportunity and her love of vshojo. fuck gunrun, why? you piece of shit.

>>587482 Are you seriously suggesting people hire a bunch of sketchy third world managers and staff and pay them poverty wages, and this is somehow safer than hiring real professionals?

>>587511 https://x.com/torioriane/status/1947680537688346899

On a lighter note, I only watch Michi occassionally because I'm bad at checking Twitch and thought it was Michael this entire time. Please laugh at my stupidity.

>Zen skipping overkill bros...

>>587516 anon wants to get hired lel

>>587486 So it’s: Piapiufo, Beribug… wasn’t there a third?

>>586986 >I’m surprised JP side was viable and self-sufficient I dont know if I believe that. he also said nova is still in the red and didnt really explain how he could consider it going well if they werent paying out to the talents. Maybe I am just paranoid but I dont think we should be trusting any higher up that rushes to come out and declare they personally did nothing wrong and cant be blamed.

>>587516 I'm saying there are market forces and some of them are real professionals, too hire whoever you want in whatever capacity you want, just don't give them the keys to your kingdom no matter who they are and segregate responsibilities

>>587528 >>587517

>>587528 https://youtu.be/PHA6zJk1_ew A third one right here

>>587541 Ai tldr: >VTuber Tori Oriane shares her experience with VShojo, where she was accepted after a 6-month audition but never officially debuted. Despite signing a contract and self-funding her model, she faced constant delays, poor communication, and ultimately learned there were financial issues within the company. After nearly a year of waiting and spending thousands, she cut ties with VShojo. Tori plans to continue independently, rebranding her current persona, and asks for support while encouraging kindness toward all involved.

>>587538 >>587541 Piapiufo Beribug Torioriane (last live 1 month ago)

>PC freezing A little bit of scuffkino for the end >>587525 I hope they keep being friends for a long time, Michi said a bit earlier that she was going to pause her subathon to watch or participate in the case Mouse wants to do a birthday stream this August

>>587541 and for those that don't know, used to be maeve from vnu... which... out of the pan and into the fire

>>587560 Just Temu PC things.

>>587557 >self-funding her model hmmmm OOOFFFF

oh look vei talking shit on X now, great. Why you didn't said anything in 2023 bitch

When will Hime speak?

>>587581 NDA, she's been very upfront about it. She's also explicitly stated she left because of the contract. That was always counterattacked with Kson's statement of "the contract got better after negotiations".

>>587532 That’s because all money is routed through EN, according to the kson interview. So it was sent into the black hole and never returned. On paper JP side makes more than it spends, but that’s also from the staff taking a massive pay cut. Though that’s probably heavily weighed on Henya and Kson, can’t really say Novas were breaking even yet. I bet EN side didn’t get wage slashed…

>>587557 That's fucked up, i'm gonna check out all the members we missed out on >>587581 NDAs? Or maybe the financial situation was still good back then and the members were still being somewhat paid on time

>>587594 Oh nevermind it's just the NDAs

I'm personally just waiting for streams to resume at this point

>>587593 loutlot did mention that nova was still running on a loss

>>587588 There's actually a weird thing where Vei, Lily etc. were all saying the contract was crap and bad for the talent, but apparently the contract actually took so little money from them that VShojo eventually couldn't pay their bills. >>587594 I think the money problems really only appeared in the last year or so. She might be referencing something else about management being dysfunctional.

>>587598 doesn't ndas runs out after one year tops?

>>587603 Nothing else to do.

>>587581 I mean, she’s a bitch and proud of it. She could be supporting mouse but decided to farm

>>587610 1.5-2 years is pretty standard though of course you can write out an indefinite NDA/non-disparagement clause, probably a court won't enforce it after a couple years but it's still hanging over your head and the company could potentially sue.

>>587610 No, NDAs are usually a 1 to 5 year thing. My guess is Vshojo went as long as they possibly could with them.

>>587610 nope, i have signed perpetual NDAs a lot of them end up unenforceable due to legal representants changing, or other reasons for voiding the nda itself

>go support mouse we are so back...

My guess is Gun is silent because he's in bankruptcy hearings.

>support kuro finally zen remember him

>>587627 gun runned to jungle anon we will never hear about him again

>>587626 She threw her and henya through the bus because of shitty collab, while they were dealing with all of this shit, fuck off Zen

>>587626 She unfollowed Henya and Mouse. I have a bottom line. She crossed it. To me, this is her backtracking and PR speech.

>>587638 Is this actually true or just mental illness? Some of you guys hated zen a little bit too much

>>587640 you're a retard

>>587625 A lot of lawsuits can still bankrupt the smaller guy long before the conclusion is in sight even if they’re right. It’s not always black or white. Companies regularly destroy smaller companies with nuisance suits

>>587642 And you're incredibly gullible.

>>587641 D) All options are true

I hope all the girls and Kuro can get together to support the new gen that never got to debut, and give them a real debut even if it's just as independents. They could probably succeed given their sad origins.

>>587640 >Mouse, this is bullshit, we have to say something and we need to leave <Zen, I'm working on this. We need to secure the best outcome possible and need to do this right. >I'm fucking walking with or without you, I can't stand this pussyfooting around <Then walk, I'll do it myself >*blocked* And scene.

>>587641 All of this happened after Nightreign collab, i'm not gonna memoryhole all of this public trash because of VShojo emploding

phonepostin cuz it's late here there's this guy called Marc Giammarella (from Reddit) who's apparently the AVP of Finance of VShojo Inc. and his CV entails working for Deutsche Bank => Barclays => VShojo guy might have a hand on the company's downfall and info looks like it's from Facebook or sth idk it's dead night here imma just go sleep

>>587650 holy mental gymnastics

>>587646 I'm not the one gullible by believing made up rrats based on who follows who on social media.

>>587650 Also, explain her unfollowing Henya, then.

>>587653 >Deutsche Bank => Barclays Pretty sure these are both known for tons of corruption here in Europe

>>587650 I suppose I should've used the doom text for Zen, but I'm lazy.

I want Mootendoo to make an agency this time.

>>587653 https://www.linkedin.com/mwlite/profile/in/marc-giammarella-21a846115

>>587662 buddy he made vshojo, he cofounded with gun

Zen is seething about gfuel again

>>587658 I said it in ex, but whatever Zen unfollowed Henya when Mouse was in the collab, she was also autohosting it. Zen was still pissed off towards Mouse blindly and unfollowed. Never followed anything else like with Mouse. Basically blinded by a dumb tantrum.

>>587673 It always comes down to caffeine powder.

>>587653 Conspiracy theories aside, it's insane they were hiring bank executives at a time when they weren't making money. Those people don't come cheap, they demand six or even seven figure salaries. It seems like they were just totally delusional about finances, they must have assumed they were going to keep collecting investor money forever even after interest rates went up and cheap money disappeared.

>>587662 hell naw, he probably made six figures and help drain the initial capital and look what he showed for it

>>587673 I still believe Gamersupps is the main reason why Zen left.

>>587674 Zen unfollowed Henya much later.

>>587667 <Established and oversee Japan and U.S. financial departments, managing both strategic direction and day-to-day operations. <Manage all approval processes for outgoing payments and budget allocations, maintaining rigorous financial control. Culprit found.

>>587667 >Directed crisis management initiatives during the Silicon Valley Bank collapse You have to be shitting me.

>>587674 I, too, like to make shit up.

>>587662 Dude was hanging out in zoos with Mike while VShojo was getting almost non-existent sponsorships, why would anyone trust this guy?

>>587678 He was CMO, right? So he was the one responsible for blowing $2 million buying ads at Shibuya station.

>>587673 man I’m glad I don’t watch zen anymore, I can’t deal with her shit. So many people I unfollowed because there’s baggage on the side

>>587699 >Shibuya Shinjuku

>>587669 >>587678 He left ages ago, long before that.

>>587699 CTO at that time

>>587700 I completely stopped watching her early during her subathon when she just phoned every day in and felt even stronger about it when I realized she unfollowed Henya and Mouse.

>>587699 dunno, but for context 2 million is in yen and current prices. Granted there’s low inflation in Japan historically, it was just 13.5k usd one time expenditure. If they cut a single staff they could do the ads 3-4 more times for the year

>>587703 ages ago meaning may 2025

>>587692 >>587692 Take it as you will, I noticed it on that Saturday https://warosu.org/vt/thread/102213160#p102214499 https://warosu.org/vt/thread/102268729#p102275585 Didn't post about it because it was going to lead into this.

>>587667 i demand this guy hanged, drawn and quartered

Zen directly blaming Gunrun >I've been screaming at him for years

>>587711 fuck you

>Zen shaking her head at gunrun. Man I worked with so many flips at work I’m kinda lowkey racist against them. Gunrun was suppose to be the chosen one as a counter example to keep me grounded…

>>587717 Based, Zen knows shit and may not be involved in the lawsuit, spill it all you fucking sexy dragon

>>587711 I was camping the following page, it happened that day

>>587717 Well no shit. Gun is either directly responsible, in that he was the one robbing Peter to pay Paul, or he is indirectly responsible in that he allowed someone to do that while being CEO. Gun is ultimately to blame one way or another.

>>587722 They say you're a racist, but they never say you're wrong...

I'll have to get the summary from here or clips later today. Seems like a bunch of stuff is coming out.

>>587734 not much, but everyone is owned money they learn now, but can't talk anymore for now

>>587499 I mean there's a chance that trying to do gens of 2views is what screwed them up. vshojo never really seemed to have much budget for the company itself and dumping money into nova, who loutl said is still in the red and now apparently a whole EN gen may have pushed them under. I wonder if Management thought they could take the money to buy time and was hoping that between nova and the en gen they would generate enough to put the money back without being noticed.

i'm tired man... i finally understand why mata was killing her channel with that shitty splitgate game and MAYBE why mint didn't joined us. They probably took some money from they podcast too and mint fucked off.

It's just seemed really strange to me how they said you're almost above losing money when you aren't upholding contracts and paying fully what you should?

>>587742 I don't think that had anything to do with it, at least one of the 2views has already said they were self-funding their debut. They ran out of money because they were paying a bunch of staff they couldn't afford.

lmaooooo

>>587740 Ex is saying Lily is going over contract details on stream.

>>587743 It is what it is, it wasn’t all bad. Without Matara mint might not come back, she was dejected and defeated and talked about bagging groceries. Matara helped her up using Vshojo resources

>>587749 She got the biggest boost of her streaming career after farming the Sinder drama. Why stop now? Drama is just good business, I guess.

>>587743 not everything is necessarily related

>>587748 Gotta side with VShojo on this one at least.

>>587748 It's important to have standards

>>587752 Nobody actually goes back to bagging groceries after being a streamer. I'm sure Mata helped her get over her brainworms but she would have been back one way or another.

>well lily isnt under an NDA, and shes spilling the supps. put not intended. >they were wanting an "industry standard" 50/50 split of shit they get her (hint" its fucking not.) >they wanted a cut of "third party" deals she got (i.e. shit mythic got her) >they wanted a cut of her gamersupps money. and when she said that was non-negotiable they then stated they would look at it again during re-negotiation. >lily wanted them to sign a non-compete clause so they couldnt try to get one over mythic and get money from a sponsorship insted of them. >the things they promised her however didnt even show up in the contract for her to sign and when she pointed it out, their response was "they operate on a trust based system" >also the monthly stipend they were going to give her was insultingly low. >holy shit gunrun surpassed sinder in scumbag power levels exponentially.

>>587748 Nux orbiter who just left anime MV running on her channel succeed by going onlyfans… right. I mean, according to antis she would fit vshojo as a western horse I guess

Lily just said that, at least for her contract, VShojo could take down her tweets if they didn't like them.

>>587748 i loved fefe radio back in the day.

>>587748 Well at least there's one good thing Vshojo did.

>>587760 Niji destroyed the psyche of some of these girls. Didn’t Michi want to quit streaming as a job? Would’ve been a long road and fall into irrelevance

>>587762 did she mentioned when they approached her?

>>587762 >we operate on a trust based sy... I'll be out at that point lol

>>587774 yeah, that sketch as fuck

>>587772 sometime after three leavers in 2023, back when Lily was not as big >>587774 and so she walked out

>>587771 She felt like quitting. But when you think about this stuff rationally, streaming is a much better job than anything you're likely to get as a private citizen, and you'd have to be retarded to actually go through will getting a real job instead.

>>587783 nigga girls ARE retarded unfortunately

This sounds like it got pretty far. VShojo probably could have gotten Lily if they were willing to make a few concessions and were a bit more professional.

>>587785 Not retarded enough to quit streaming though. Every time a corpo vtuber graduates they say "she's getting married, she's getting a real job, she's done forever" and they all inevitably come back.

>>587783 you don't understand mint's levels of menhera. She was ready to go back to the OL life after niji and if you read her deerskin rants from then and now she still is one bad day from quitting streaming forever kek

That fucking monkey mtd is brushing his hand clean with gun as soap, Im kinda suspect of him. He basically fucked beri over

at this point all the girls should just make their own corpo with black jack and hookers!

>>587787 I get a feeling like their foundation was shabby at best from the beginning from what the talents are saying. I wouldn't call them professional. Maybe by vtubing corpo standards, which are abhorrently low.

>>587794 This is the whole vt community at this point, they all have to have their 2 cents

>>587795 that how vshojo started

>>587793 Anyone who touched the money is sus to me, I’m ok with the talent team tho

>>587795 a brand like vchiban, a group. Not a corpo, nah.

Mouse willing to pay unpaid artists

>>587799 as a matter of fact screw the corpo!

>>587790 I get that she's menhera but reality eventually wins out. Hate streaming? Guess what, you're going to hate working even more. The only people who quit forever are people who either a) didn't make any money and need to get a job to pay rent or b) conversely, made so much money they never need to work again.

>>587797 well yeah that's what social media's for

>>587802 call it Xshojo, it would be funny

>>587747 staff costs would also be part of the cost of making a gen though no? they cant just keep piling talents on their existing managers. plus they would need more marketing and to start getting merch setup if they want to be ready to cash in on debuts.

>>587803 GOAT

>>587803 Vtuber jesus continues to deliver, sasuga mouse

>>587808 It doesn't seem like they were paying new managers for the new gen though, instead they were constantly getting ghosted. It's possible the new gen contributed to the problem, like the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back, but there was a much larger problem that had been building for years.