new thread already?

rolling

>>597476 It will calm down once bombshell streams stop dropping

fuck it... Rolling for papapa with mouse nun

>>597481 ok... moose or lich is fine too

Red surely

Rolling for ???? I can’t think of a good reason, it’s just all darkness

>>597481 artist name

Who will it be?

>>597487 https://x.com/MrMothSecret

>>597492 woweee

Somebody else live post, I need to go for a moment

>>597493 You should review his older work.

>>597497 dude i never had checked all his works and missed out a lot

Zen is looping about her rrat that debuting Amalee before auditions was to make her a target and maybe she will quit

Man, Zen trying to say that if Vshojo didn't hire small people the tuber community where gonna hang her is dumb. She really is a PR nightmare

Man what the fuck happened to this place? I took a break from image boards several weeks ago when all the dooming started. Even if it was a bit slow this was a nice alternative to the cesspit that was the thread on 4chan. Now it seems even more vile, just non stop shitting on ex talent like Geega and Zen

>>597502 watch streams and shutfuckup

>>597499 Even older. Before the style shift.

>>597500 >>597501 zen having a zenhera... but then again, why she had to tweet about "going after 2 viewers"?

>>597502 go to ex? >>597508 she asked managementt to make that statement, but they told her it's gonna be okay. It wasn't

Rolling for my wife

Dude is really trying today huh? Not surprised

>>597502 You can be supportive of the girls and want justice for them and all the other people affected, while also disagreeing when they have a shit take.

Minto colors again

>>597509 >go to ex? No, still a cesspit

Zen was scared to walk out because of how it would affect rest She is talking to monstergirls (I guess?)

>>597517 she didn't even knew about them anon.

>>597502 You think hiring 1view nobodies is a good thing? She said the predebut trio were too big, holy fuck, how can you defend that?

Vshojo wouldn't need to make statements if Zen on her own volition didn't put so much needed pressure on the company or herself. She choose to publicly push for small vrubers

>>597509 no anon we are talking about a tweet she herself had gone out of the way to post during the auditions reveal. That's why the "zen wants two viewers" joke started.

>>597517 >monstergirls (I guess?) scratch that, I think it was about those who were her close friend in pink V, she is being vague

>>597534 zen is also exposing another huge problem in the agency. These bitches didn't talked with each other.

>>597520 And Geega, self proclaimed martyr joined the company to save it, the whole stream segment was just fucking self-glazing. Geega is just unrecognizable from her old 2022 self. I legitimately miss that Geega.

>>597541 they are coworkers, it's normal, and ndas everywhere Zen just said that's all for now, because lawyer asked her to play it safe for now

Rolling for a non menhara color

>>597544 nigga if zen had asked mouse what was going on she would discover about the 500k and other things. Instead she zenhera out of the company and blocked her...

>>597553 Confirmed if she did block her? And on what logic.

>>597543 Geega changed over time and became more cocky and callus, she was chasing the dream of being in vshojo then when she got it, it went all to her head…I was a avid Geega supporter till the beginning of 2024

>>597572 anon...

>>597520 >Zen says pre-debut trio was too big >Geega essentially says pre-debut trio was too small and could've been clout-farmers

>>597574 dude i hyped zen since the time she had that old model but since gtarp she just got worse and worse.

>>597583 Of course it's clout farming. That's what moving up is in entertainment. Geega is just a retard and conveniently ignores she did the exact same thing to get where she is

>>597572 We don't know for sure. It's all speculation. But just looking at Zen's past behavior and how she both removed mouse from her list of mods and unfollowed her on twitch, while mouse still has her as a VIP and follows her there, you can make an educated guess that Zen either blocked mouse or unfollowed her on twitter and removed mouses follow from her own channel. She also only backtracked on that stuff when mouse released her big video and public opinion swayed back in mouse's favor. She still isn't following mouse on twitch for now and hasn't adder back to either VIP or her list of mods.

>>597584 *geega lol

>>597583 They were on that same stream together shilling auditions and how everyone should apply, regardless of viewcounts, having a model etc.

>>597584 Geega is a “fuck you don’t tell me how to live my life” type of person, so when her audience told her gtarp is boring and they don’t want to watch it was fuck you fine I’ll just make NotGeega and spend all my time doing that and if you don’t like it it kick rocks

>>597593 we are talking about yesterday

There is no way you guys are realizing only now that zen is retarded and a pr nightmare, also rolling

>>597600 why do you think the term zenhera was created? KEK

>>597588 Zen is getting close to Froot’s vtweetard days, or maybe she was all along. Admittedly I only tune in occasionally for Zen.

TTS faggots are the worst

>>597607 Don't talk about Zen like that, she's gonna vtweet about it

>>597603 I think it's excusable because of the enormous stress vshojo put on them. I can easily imagine a scenario in which Zen thought Vshojo is only paying Mouse for example.

This thread is too green

>>597614 It’s always green lol

>>597613 yeah some of zenheras are legit but...

>>597612 *Kisses her*

With all this happening, do you think veto rrat is dead? Talents are all saying that they never knew about monster group. They literally never had any weight in hiring processes.

>>597630 >veto rrat What year is this kek

>>597633 I just thought about it lol

>>597612 This is why she’s the goat. I’m gonna fucking lose it if she said ‘mouse from independent’

>>597636 2022 called, they want their rrat back

>>597638 i mean considering the who pic sayu leaked... Maybe it was a thing in the past.

>>597638 That didn't stop anon spamming it for years in regards with Snuffy

>>597630 Geega confirmed it dead many months ago

>>597640 Silver said that as a figure of speech in that leak, it wasn’t literal

I think Zen is completely justified. I watched the stream and I think she meant Mint gen the "bigger ones". The biggest problem is her being in the dark about everything and caring too much about the success of the company that led to all these misunderstandings and zenhera outburtsts. It all comes down to inadequate management. And not company not making a tiny statement about auditions and Ama when she debuted is a legit fuck up amongst other things.

>>597642 Different times. Things clearly changed in vshojo, which fooled us into thinking stuffs changed for the better. Early vshojo had little goodwill, and mouse said dragging kuro and geega in kinda annoyed gun, because it’s not mouseshojo (fact check me on this, running on memory)

>>597651 Geega was approached by MTD, it has nothing to do with her relationship with talents i think

>>597651 I think the mouseshojo quote was about the Minecraft server

>>597651 >mouse said dragging kuro and geega in kinda annoyed gun, because it’s not mouseshojo Did you hear that in a dream?

>>597650 They were already debuting at least three 2-3views. You would have to be fucking retarded to not hire Mint, until Nimi came on the scene she was by far the most desirable free agent except someone like Vedal or filian.

>>597651 >>597661 Mouseshojo was because she pushed a lot for mata, kuro and geega. She said herself on stream.

>>597662 I find it funny that VShojo didn't even try approaching Filian

>>597666 She's a massive brand risk. Not hard to figure out.

>>597664 timestamp?

>>597666 Kek hell no

>>597667 That didn't stop them from almost adding Shondo

>>597662 As I said it's retarded to keep Zen (and other talents for that matter) in the dark about this. They could've at least made an announcement that shit's still happening with auditions. Hiring bigger tubers is not the problem for Zen. It's the lack of clarity.

>>597673 Also fucking NAZUNA, hello

>>597666 Filian doesn't own her IP and its a huge brand risk most of the time. Honestly all the ones coming out saying they got passed over is a testament to how good Panni was.

>>597673 >Shondo Anon? She’s the poster child for schizophrenia, don’t believe anything she has to say

>>597668 are you fucking serious? Do you really want me to find a 2 years old stream just to show you? Every regular here knows about mouseshojo.

lol

>>597695 Google dockey?

https://x.com/VShojo/status/1948442574722924778 ITS HERE

They didn't approach Doki and Dooby too, although both were interested, especially Doki. From her last stream it's pretty obvious she was really desperate and would've gotten in easily. Dodged a bullet.

>>597704 The final oof.

>>597710 It will henceforth be known as the "BIG OOF"

>>597695 Camila directly said that VShojo was the only company she was interested in joining. Gonna be a rough one.

>>597704 "i didn't know"

zen is reading it

>>597704 Not really buying that he didn't know half the money from mouse's subathon was intended for charity, tbh.

So basically "oops no money, bye bye", nobody will be seeing those. I feel bad for talents.

>>597704 At least he manned up and put the failure on his back

>>597695 This is interesting considering mint and camila collabed for the first time this week, with no notice, and them never seemingly having interacted before

>>597704 Gunrun you fucking faggot should have filed for bankruptcy not gamble the talents money as investment, I hope he kills himself

Maybe controversial take, but I still don't think Gun is a truly evil guy. MF just doesn't know how to run a business and was in way over his head. That being said, how he couldn't know about the charity stuff is just hard for me to believe.

>>597704 he really pulled the south park im sorry clip

>>597695 I can never look at camila the same after seeing her gross ass nudes, I got the heebie jeebies just thinking about it

He knew he was using talent money to cover operational cost, fuck him

>>597704 >i just thought i was stealing from talent, i didnt realize it was for charity kek

>>597735 At what point in time did Gun go from being beloved nice man to evil failure businessman?

kek that southpark tangia

the timing was perfect

>>597746 Oh my god I'm so pissed

>>597749 This motherfucker is rich. He could put money from his pocket.

They lost 11M in less than 3 years HOW HOW HOW HOW?

>>597760 MTD's LA orgies

>>597704 He didn't know guys. All forgiven.

I can't wait for the audit of vshojo

>>597760 >>597760 Gunrun's anonymous offshore account for after he flees the country

>>597760 Braindead investments, management salary etc.

>>597760 MTD doing streamer parties every other day. Also hiring way too much staff. They had like what? Over 40 staff members for 12 talents?

Live Amalee reaction

zen please stop this is not about you

>>597704 Welp. I was hoping for the finance guy to be the one responsible but it looks like it was all Gunrun's fault after all. Looks like using the charity money to gamble for investment simply accelerated the inevitable result of his previous awful business decisions. The idol and monster gens would've put us in the platinum age, what an absolute fucking waste.

Mint and her idol gen would have been a win for Vshojo Zen.

Also gunrun just admitted to charity fraud... IRS is rape his ass and the LLC will not save them

>>597553 >Vshojo inc.

>>597784 >>597789 missed reply

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if a huge chunk of funding fell through because of the whole traffis /world market craziness that's been happening this year. Many businesses went under because of it. Of course, that's not enough of an explanation, but probably part of it.

>>597764 This, those vshojo parties were expensive AF

fuck mouse was already recovering... I hope she is angry and not sad now

>>597784 Yeah he's absolutely fucked, I hope this will be the only statement and that he doesn't do or say anything stupid to put the girls in trouble.

>>597792 anon they we already running in the red since jan 2024

>>597743 I can kind of see the thinking being that the talents arent really reliant on that money and they still have their steady revenue from streams and third party stuff. still not forgivable though just not a evil as it could have been. the claiming not to know about the charity money is interesting the only chance that has of being even slightly true is if there is more people involve wonder if we'll ever see those names come out anywhere.

Hotaru just found out about the tweet

Zen is literally speechless. But let's be honest, there was no PR statement that could have saved this shitshow.

>>597798 Yeah, but you can still find more investors and other sources. People are just much more reluctant to make big moves right now.

>>597770 Radpuppy mentioned that her salary was "6 figures"... Yeah... Can you imagine paying this much for 40-50 people?

Nigga took 4 days to come up with this? lmao

>>597805 He could have pondered for 4 years and it would have been shit, unsalvageable situation

This is painfully obvious legal damage control message. There's zero sincerity or truth behind the claims. Prepared specifically so it would be harder to dispute in court.

>>597805 4 days? Bro, that mouse tweet about her standing up for herself was from a month ago. He knew this was going to come out when she left and this was all he had.

Aww, Hotaru found out about it

>>597803 They could've done this as a last ditch effort not stealing oh my fucking god, mouse will probably get dragged into this and I don't want that to happen

Zen is telling her fans to not go crazy on him.

>>597818 >mouse will probably get dragged into this at most as a witness for questioning. But the legal responsiblity lies on vshojo since they were acting as a legal representant of hers for that money

This is officially a cap to an end of era I gonna miss the group dynamic, yeah I know they can all collab as indies, but it’s not gonna be the same and we all know it

>>597821 Jesus Christ, Im hoping the best for mouse

>>597826 the group dynamic within vshojo has been dying since last year, before this nova was all that was left of group unity

>>597818 >>597828 nothing will happen to mouse because she had gone through the proper channels.

>>597826 Group dynamic was dead for many months anyways

>>597830 I’m not disputing that but I try to remember the good times

>>597832 Yeah I'm just worried

>>597839 well given that Zen is already setting up a collab with at least Nova, we might get a rerun of when henya joined and we got our unity back but only time will tell. We're still in the maelstrom to make any predictions or assumptions

Mtd definitely know this was happening

>>597842 Yeah we’ll see

>>597650 I also think she's generally correct, but she should have pushed all the PR stuff onto the company instead of trying to tank it herself. I would never ever have done that because it is simply not my responsibility even as somebody as public facing as a streamer/vtuber

>>597844 mel doesn't even know how to setup her mixer

>>597853 read anon read

>>597853 sorry, i running in 4 hours sleep. Yes, that faggot wasted A LOT of money

>>597842 You honestly believe she will collab with NOVA beyond this upcoming one time as a gesture? I admire your optimism.

>>597844 All the staff members who left before this all knew what was gonna happen they just tried to save face

>>597826 I definitely hear you. Even if unity was dead and members rarely interacted, it was a group. I still hold out hope the former members can set up some informal thing, I'll probably lose interest over time if they're just isolated individual talents with nothing tying them together.

this but geega

>>597792 this shit should've been green already in 2023 and when it wasn't they should've sat down together and reconsider the company-talent structure - reform or disband.

>>597861 They probably left because of it, and might not even have been getting paid. It's not like it's their responsibility to blow up the company and they were surely under NDA anyway. MTD is a special case because he must have known a lot more than everyone else, being C-level and all.

Now that i think about it... There was a influx last year, around the second half

>>597882 ???

>>597885 4 hours of sleep ... I was saying. Last year a lot of people were "fired" too.

>>597867 Going off my life experiences, some will still collab, some will isolate, and some will stop streaming all together…time will tell

>>597852 >I would never ever have done that You're also were never in a "talent first" entertainment agency where talent is an extension of company's PR. She WAS pushing all the PR onto the company first, she said that multiple times. Got ignored and kept clueless. Tried to improve the PR by herself because she wanted company to succeed and was fed up about not being taken seriously.

>>597877 Yea, I can honestly believe people like Panini and Maiko are innocent especially since the ex-members still praised them and both of them have reached out to the would-be debut members. MTD's snake ass tho is 100% trying to save face

Christ Zen. Pitty bait harder about the damn auditions

>>597898 Shut up

>>597897 maiko was struggling to get people paid

>>597704 Wait hold on a second >Additionally, I acknowledge that some of the money spent by the company was raised in connection with talent activity, which I later learned was intended for a charitable initiative. So you're telling me he had NO idea Ironmouse, his most profitable star, was doing a charity event, and had NO idea she raised half a million dollars?! Holy shit no only is possibly going to jail for embezzlement, but he's gonna get his ass torn apart by lawyers in a court room. GunRun was fucked already, now he's even more fucked then before. Also I do not think a lawyer helped him write this. Its clear he did this by himself without talking to his attorney, aka the one who didn't even have a license.

FUCK SHE WAS AWAKE

God damn it, I just remembered watching some dumb drama YouTube video years ago how the vshojo business model wasn’t sustainable, I guess that asshole was right

What happens now? Can the girls get at least some money back from suing Gunrun?

>>597877 Yea that whole paragraph pretty much opened his ass up to get raped right up in the court room

>>597909 no, the model is very sustainable they just blow up a lot of money in stupid shit. We didn't need a fucking 55 inch plasma screen in every con, we didn't need streamer parties and specially we did not needed the jp ads.

>>597909 It can be. Loutlot managed to get VshojoJP to be profitable. It's unfortunate that they were not a little bit more split and self-sufficient.

>>597913 You can't get blood from a stone. If he has no money then the girls will not get their money back. Lawyers will flat out tell you that if you go after someone who has no money.

>>597909 People keep saying this but there were so many pointless expenses unrelated to their business model that this is like watching a drunk guy sink a boat and go "welp, guess the boat was shit"

>>597916 Depends if he even has money left by the time its all over. Between attorney fees, he may be flat out broke.

>>597909 It is sustainable. Don't invest into large booths, cosplay sluts, failed streaming platform nobody used. Pump merch up, unique one in fact, and work toward pulling sponsorships, its that fucking easy.

>>597907 >I made the decision to pursue funding. He was fully aware. He basically just admit taking a gamble at trying to cover expenses with talents money while seeking additional funding. The guy was treating company money like its his personal bank account taking loans to cover his other loans. I'm more interested in a proper investigation of where the $11Mil went. By the looks of it they really ran out by 2023. It's insane.

>>597917 The thing is that gun does have money. Like, enough to easily cover this and still have enough to build five mansions. But I donno if he can be held personally liable.

>>597928 You're his personal accountant?

>>597925 Also fucking AUTOGRAPH machine that dogshit didn't even work

>>597928 He just admitted to charity fraud. He is fucked. The LLC veil will not protect him anymore.

>>597927 If anything that $500,000 he took from Ironmouse is what's gonna send him to prison. Embezzlement is a serious crime, and its looking likely he committed that. He's trying to throw his staff under the bus by claiming that they were the ones who took the money and that he had no clue. Well guess what? Unless he has 100% proof that happened, he's screwed. A lawyer will rip his ass apart, and good chances are Mousey can afford a really good one.

>>597912 he admitted to charity fraud on 500k. There will be nothing to get from lawsuits after the IRS drains his ass off

>>597842 They just need to setup a Minecraft server

Not to sympathize too much with retarded management but imagine you're doing auditions and in one ear you have a retarded woman saying "you NEED to hire small talents. 2views? No that's not small enough we need to go smaller, smaller, smaller damn it!" and in the other ear you have a different retarded woman going "Hey, make sure you never hire any small talent. They're not good enough and VShojo has no box, they'll never make money. Don't hire anyone under 5k CCV". I would go fucking insane.

>>597928 This is what I was thinking, I'm not a legal law expert, but couldn't his personal assets be seized especially as >>597932 mentioned, that whole paragraph might as well be a straight up admittance to charity fraud

>>597938 there's no one to set one up now... all these girls do is "yeah ill get to it" and never do it the only person who did it was matara and it was a boring ass vanilla realm

>>597936 i think mouse lawyers are the same UTA use. So yeah, he is screwed.

>>597939 If you can't handle talent making unnecessary requests then why even own a talent agency?

this tweet is michicore

https://x.com/highgai/status/1948450277729993097 lmao highgai

mata sounds so defeated

>>597948 He was always a good dude, poor highgai

>>597912 Company declares bankruptcy, all the financials go before a bankruptcy judge. That judge hires an accountant to list all the assets (bank accounts and stuff Vshojo can sell to raise money) and sell everything, and then they will pay off as many of the creditors (people Vshojo owe money) as they can according to a specific order of who is most important. The girls are owed money according to contracts, but due to legal shit they may be bottom of the list. Charity money is a special case, I have no idea what will happen. Prosecutors in Cali and maybe elsewhere will also investigate this for crimes (mostly for fiduciary negligence, hence the very careful statement from Gunrun about not knowing the charity money was for charity until it was spent, and him saying he had a good faith understanding his fundraising round would pay off). Every single email will be read by prosecutors to figure out who knew what when and who should have been paying more attention (a crime for some corporate officers) or actually actively embezzled something (a crime for everyone).

>>597950 she knew all these people (gunrun and mtd, as well as highgai but he's just a low level staff person) from wayyyyyyy way back then so this has to be also a bit of a betrayal to her

>>597954 She was also the link between Mint and them (even if Mint knew him beforehand). Of course, she couldn't have known, but watching your friend cry because her dream was thrown into the trash and knowing you were involved must be absolutely devastating.

>>597948 always liked that dude, respect

>>597927 >>597953 >very careful statement from Gunrun about not knowing the charity money was for charity until it was spent yeah that ain't gonna fly, specially when said charity money was raised by your biggest star. Also he apparently was on the stream with Ironmouse during this, so he knew what was going on.

>>597704 this basically confirms what I thought: >They did get the $11M but were unable to make the org profitable >Money runs out, so they look for more funding and bring in people to manage financials. >They fail to get more funding, panic and use money they shouldn't in hopes they would eventually find funding or get profitable. >Shit snowballs into the current situation. I'm not saying they (Gunrun and the finances guy) are blameless; they commited a crime, they stole money from the girls and from charity, but I don't think it was out of greed. That said, I also call BS on Gunrun not knowing that Mouse's subathon money was for charity. And even if it was true, he should have known for multiple reasons.

they can smell the blood in the waters... Fuck

It just dawned on me we’re basically /lig/ now but more traumatized and unified

>>597963 ugh the pickme egirl template every chudtuber copies from fucking vulture

>>597962 He should have fucking swallowed his pride and declared bankruptcy.

>>597967 he should had hired professional from day one. Most of they expenses were wasted with dumb shit. The only good thing they paid was the candypop explosion

>>597967 honestly doing just that wouldve left him some sort of martyr, his mismanagement wouldve been swept under a "damn it is what it is i guess" rug but no

>>597961 Literally any lawer with half a working brain(well maybe not the retard unlicensed one vshojo had) would be able to argue that Gunrun was fully aware of the $500k being charity funds

>>597963 And the sharks smell blood in the water! Here we go

>>597961 Yeah I think he's fucked. If he isn't completely retarded, he has his own counsel now, separate from Vshojo lawyers. I guess the play is going to be to blame it on the CFO. 'I told the CFO to handle it and he failed.' And thus he scrapes by with nothing or a lesser negligence charge. I heard he is somewhat wealthy, so he may be able to settle with the prosecutors simply by paying some or all of the charity money himself. We'll have to wait for ages to find out though.

>>597971 Exactly, which is what makes Gunrun's statement so fucking retarded. >>597978 He still owes A LOT to the other talents. He's gonna have to pay up big time. That is if he even still has money left. He may be rich yes, but he has to owe creditors millions dollars, millions he may no longer have. >>597970 Seriously, bankruptcy isn't really a bad thing in hindsight. It gives you a blank slate.

I can’t think of a more fitting theme to the thread right now!!! https://youtu.be/CIrvSJwwJUE?si=_fqXS_7ATaWRzbJm

yeah...

He didn't know guys

>>598002 Shh, let the retard leave the evidence before he starts nuking everything

>>598002 Save any retweets you can, cause he's gonna start deleting fucking everything really soon.

Assuming he doesn't drown in debt or go to jail, what the fuck is the next step for Gunrun? Like, where the fuck do you go after ruining your reputation to this extent. Do you just move to an entirely different industry and hope no one in HR tries googling your name or what?

I hate that this model has now become tainted. Retards falling head first into a knife and now everybody's saying that knives are bad.

>>597986 Ah, he's where we have to be careful: Gunrun does not owe the money; Vshojo does. This is why you create a limited liability corporation for business. Vshojo is its own legal entity and is responsible for payments. When the company goes bankrupt, all the investors lose what they put in but no one involved is actually personally liable beyond that. Gunrun will, however, be personally liable for criminal negligent conduct. If he made an illegal executive action, negligent or malicious, e.g. stealing the charity money and sending to an account in the Bahamas, then he would be personally liable for that. If prosecutors find he mishandled the money in a criminal manner (which is sometimes easy to prove, sometimes not), then there would probably be a fine and renumeration on top of possible jail time, but if he is a first time offender they may well want to avoid all the hassle and just settle to get the cash equivalent to what he mishandled plus some extra payment, usually, to an appropriate charity (which in this case wouldn't be difficult to figure out).

people are tagging @fbi and @IRS on his statement KEK

>>598010 He'll go work for Walmart or something.

And to thing I made fun of Bao for falling for too many scams, shit...

>>598028 she escaped the big one

>>598002 id buy that he didnt know that was the money he was using but only if he chose not to know. Like if he ordered/begged an accomplice to find money and chose not to ask where it came from. hopefully that's not enough to escape culpability though.

>>598028 ummm quality over quantity????

>>598028 >all those times I went "this is why you should join vshojo" in response to an indie getting scammed

https://x.com/ksononair/status/1948460871849836800 sonch is fuming

>>598010 the guy who killed yahoo search got hired as head of ads at google

>>598046 cover should return the favor and hire gunrun

>>597961 NDAs are pretty much gonna be null and void so boy oh boy are all of them gonna be going OFF the nano-second their lawyers give them the full OK

>>598050 Meant to quote >>598045

>>598046 I know big execs find other places to keep being shit, but I doubt running an anime girl talent agency gives you that much clout

I'm curious to see that if the girls will be forced to show up IRL to court if indeed it goes that far. Ironmouse obviously cannot due to her illness, but I would be surprised if the court allowed her to use her avatar to appear in the courtroom.

>>598054 oh buddy, scummy sillicon valley startups love getting the most heinous bastards for a quick cash

>>598056 After COVID? Why not?

This is gonna be way too fucking easy for the lawyers kek

>>598040 nah. There's absolutely zero chance he didn't know where the money would be coming from when the funds were scarce for years already. It's also his direct responsibility to deeply understand company finances.

>>598043 To be honest, there was a surprising lack of damning information about Vshojo until recently. In fact even the talents were mostly blind to it.

>>598056 <yes dayo, he stole my money, dayo

>>598071 >judge: miss what does dayo mean? <(anxious kettle noises)

>>598044 >>598045 Get his ass.

>>598002 >>598062 Yeah he straight up decided to go for the Just Fuck My Shit Up route.

>>598056 Yeah courts will allow this, no problem. Whatever her disability needs they will accommodate. Problem about open court is everyone will be doxxed and the court might not care (courts usually want everything public and will only seal identities usually when there's a known specific threat rather than a general fear or distaste etc..). Everyone's lawyer here will be pushing for settlements so documents with real names aren't put into open court. Prosecutors are politically aware in a way courts are not and would be talking to all lawyers. So I expect they would lean more towards settlements too. Or maybe if every lawyer and the prosecutors agree to keep identities hidden, a judge might allow the vtubers to stay sealed. idk, but my guess is not.

>>598084 mouse once called the cops because of someone stalking her so i think she will be safe

Ama live btw

She will never stream again

>>598087 There's really no way to know how a court will react to this kind of stuff. Depends entirely on the judge and their assessment of the situation.

yikes

>>598095 i think she once said something about a restraint but my memories are very cloudy right now.

>>598107 Shit

>>598107 oof

geegin, talking about the contingency and then collab with ama wait, do i have a toxic relationship with this woman; why do i keep tuning into her even tho she irritates me

>>598128 you are lonely

>>598137 i mean yeah but i dont that's the only reason

>>598140 anon, most of the time you stay around toxic people because you are too used with them and is afraid of being alone.

https://x.com/LichVtuber/status/1948468587770835426 not that we needed it, but the last official announcement is /out/

>>598146 >im repeating patterns i had with real people, but now with vtubers

>>597656 >>597664 >>597668 thanks for the clarification. I maybe senile and blending together memories but I ain’t no newfag

>>597704 fundraising… like what, shoveling more money into the black hole? Asking investors to sink more money into a venture that bleed money for years? Making mouse and talents do more sponsors? wtf lol, holy I miss the big drop while I stepped out

>>598162 so they were thinking about debuting them

>>598162 i think im out of one liners

Aethel is roasting the armchair lawyers saying that everyone should've broke whatever NDAs they had, also Mouse is in his chat.

https://x.com/Digitrevx/status/1948441105063674339 huh I know who this dude is sleazy fuck, but he claims Apek was Mel's bf

>>598192 geegler just did too, she went "chat unless you're a lawyer, wait no, unless you're *my* lawyer, dont go saying dumb legal shit"

>>598193 Isn't this the guy who did Mirai Akari's 3d model way back when?

>>598193 you might be new to the vshojo lore But I wouldn't fully trusty this guy specially when it comes to Mel

>>598193 THIS DUDE IS STILL GOING ON ABOUT MEL?

>>598147 Yeah, she did say that she didn't even have a lawyer during her stream, it's also probably to make her antis shut the fuck up about her still being in the company despite her immediately removing all her branding at the same time as everyone else.

You know, for that 11million.. at least we got Nova, oh wait that was stealing from talents. I would be less angry if they actually managed to push out idol gen or monster gen THEN failed. Waited to the 11th hour to finally do something instead of splurging on parties >>598193 This incel stupid fuck still having it out for Mel? Just die in a ditch already

>>598193 The silent COO…oh my

>>598206 nah this is some crazy dude that thinks mel owns his life to him.

>>598193 this fag still has his hateboner for mel i see

>>598193 He was the original modeler for Melody and he got into a major dispute with Mel way way back when she got big. He DMCA striked Mel claiming it was his IP.

>>598193 You will see dramatubers present this as a confirmed fact

>>598229 this retard is so old news most of the newfags will take what he is saying as fact.

>>598221 No, I was right. His name is on her JP wiki page. Not that I care about him. I just remembered seeing that name on /jp/ during the early virtual youtuber days.

>>598245 did he tried to claim "her" ip as his own too? KEK

I don't like all this oofening. I just want to watch funny cartoon women and be happy...

>>598253 Don't know. Akari ended up getting a new model by someone else afterwards anyway.

my nigga

>>598228 So basically, they had a bunch of fuckheads working for them who played Apex all day instead of making the fucking Minecraft server. As Mouse has emphasized many times, we don't have the full story yet. Man, when everything truly comes out, it's gonna be thermonuclear.

>>598255 i already posted this pic so many times here... Can someone edit to our needs? KEK

>>598263 THE NUMBER 5

MTD is so fucked lmao

>>598263 Chiitan... ಥ_ಥ

>>598263 Literal gigachad.

>>598263 i love my nigga chiitan and their (plural) weird shit

>>598228 pretty good and heavy message

Aethel is implying that MTD >was the one playing games rather than working >the leaker >was trying to hit on talents via DM >talked shit after the girls left >tried to make one of them say "nigger"

>>598320 >What happened to talent freedom? >Why'd they stop saying talent freedom? >I know what, but I'm not gonna be the one to say

>>598228 Apparently Aethel did say something about some staff members playing Fortnite instead of working or replying to messages. (probably disclosed to him by Nyan) >>598263 Chiitan is a real one.

>>598320 pop off my king don't let that snake scot free

>>598320 >>tried to make one of them say "nigger" Kek

>>598320 Oh, welp.

also look at this gem

>>598332 As she should do Blaming the talents for something they literally didn't know is subhuman

managers

>>598320 Why did Gunrun hire this retard in the first place He never even made a good video for vshojo

>>598332 Don't give this faggot attention.

>>598332 good, this humongous faggot is desperate for new shit now that his retarded narrative fell off

>>598341 >ironmouse >he looked me directly in the eyes

>>598345 You don't have to do her dirty like that.

>>598056 IANAL, but in a civil suit, the parties can generally be represented in court by their lawyers without being present unless they're called to testify. Even a lot of the testimony can be in the form of taped depositions, rather than in court, especially given that many of the presumptive plaintiffs in this case (the affected talents) don't live in California (where the company was based, and where any lawsuit would presumably be heard) and would have to travel. Also it's a contacts case and would likely be more about documentary evidence than witness testimony, anyway. And that's all assuming that their contracts don't have some kind of binding arbitration clause that would keep the whole thing out of the regular courts. But no, they're not going to appear in court via an avatar or otherwise be able to hide their identities. They would likely have to file under the real, legal names that they presumably signed their contracts with. As such, and since the company apparently doesn't have the funds to cover its obligations and you can't get blood from a stone, I expect negotiated settlements are more likely than court cases. IMO, any talk of Gunrun getting charged over the IDF funds is a reach. He's already claiming he didn't know it was earmarked for charity at the time, so proving intent to defraud would be difficult.

>>598332 i hate this fucking faggot so much.

Mouse knows about the person-leaker Kaho was tweeting about

>>598362 And you know this how?

>>598335 Would be interesting to see what Jinzi exactly means

>>598367 Aethel stream

>>598352 Fairly sure it's Delaware, not Cali

>>598332 Oh, taking a break from attacking Froot to do a bit of concern trolling? This (self-proclaimed) groomer faggot needs to kiss a shotgun.

guys, i'm tired of get busy for 10 minutes and come back to new cursed lore. Can we just dump all this shit at once?

also now we know why aethel hates MTD, dude tried to hit on pink cat KEK

Oh man, I can’t believe mouse even stream at all prior to this. Gunrun looked her in the eye and lied. They were at least right about how important she was to the ‘company’ and everyone else (not the talents apparently). She was literally misled and guilt tripped into being a money printer while stripping her bare. Mouse cried so much last stream, and honestly I think it’s not enough. Can’t imagine how much she cries everyday

>>598384 stay strong anon. ndas will be broken eventually, this is far from over

>>598393 i just want to hug her... This is too cruel and this woman already suffered a lot

>>598334 Also his whole "the public has a right to know" argument is bullshit. It's an internal business matter until it isn't. The public doesn't have the right to know everything. The talents were doing the right thing and being careful to get legal advice before doing something that could potentially breach their contract and let the company off the hook.

watching Aethel, dude having time of his life. Also both him and mouse agreed that behind the scenes fuckery of corpo was targeted at poisoning relationships between talents

geeg vouches for kenzo

i already said many times but NOW it makes sense why nyan was so uneasy around mouse after she left. We all thought it was a sakura con shit. Nyan was probably deathly afraid of saying something about her NDAs.

>>598375 Maybe. They were physically based in Cali, but very well could be a Delaware corporation. The point about travel applies, either way.

>>598403 Its troll speak to bait you to say something, I fucking hate these type of assholes man, they have no shame nothing to lose just trolling to get a raise out of people

Aethel said Henya debut was specifically crafted to paint leavers in bad light, "they were the bad ones"

>>598411 i mean the press conference didn't helped.

>>598403 Yeah it’s bullshit, the company is basically gone. They don’t have anything to salvage, and doubtful it can be held accountable but talents are at least trying. Only victims are left, and these retards would throw them under the bus for their curiosity and fake virtue signalling.

>>598413 Yeah, it was irrational

>>598411 >weaponizing henya

so... Are you saying that mouse commissioning rape futa porn wasn't the reason for nyan to leave? I feel so betrayed, i still waiting for the art of both spit roasting aethel :(

>>598407 She was ghosting mouse prior to that, what poisoned their friendship that she wouldn’t try to clue mouse in? I always remember mouse’s anniversary, that was some bullshit.

>>598411 It also sounds like everyone was gaslit into not saying anything during the whole wizard game shitshow.

>>598411 This would have been the perception regardless. If you remember back in the day, Vei and nyan (and Froot ofc.) were basically the entire focus of "VShojo bad" stuff, even antis actually liked Mouse back then. I'll be honest, I was glad when they left because I was no longer being asked to take responsibility for shit nyan did a decade ago or Vei's latest retarded statement.

>>598437 Vei was dead at that point and was basically what who is today in that thread

>>598410 The sad thing is that there are people out there who actually think that way and aren't just trolling. Far too many such people, in fact. "Why didn't you say something sooner," is a common hot take in cases like this and, thanks to social media, people now post it to the entire world without pausing to consider the reasons why somebody might have needed to wait to get their ducks in a row first.

>>598411 Sorry Aethel, that’s a fucking reach. And I didn’t even dislike nyan and vei lmao, I dislike who I did way before Henya came into the picture

Oh they don't like Apek at all lmao

geega is "retracting" from her statement yesterday about the lost girls

Also Mouse is not buying it that Gun didn't know about charity

>>598450 It was obvious even back then that the time of her debut was largely for damage control purposes

>>598450 dude i didn't hate any of them until silver did that press conference. I unfollowed her that night. The "what is a friend" was so dumb.

>>598460 henya said they pushed her debut some weeks because of them leaving.

>>598450 Still, you can't deny that Henya was a beautifully crafted damage control

>>598442 Ahhh yes le ole vei badmouthed the dorito and nyan I smell like salty coins and milk

>>598466 i always thought nyan smelled like pee.

Are you gonna say anything about your beloved friend, Mike?

>>598471 That’s newer nyan

>>598472 he is actually right. If they had come clean i bet zen and mouse would open hand of a lot more money to help them

>>598461 Exactly this. Silver’s logic didn’t hold up and even fillian ripped on her, she privated the vod for a reason. It also made sense in hindsight why she always did such sus timing every time mouse had big celebrations. She’s sinder tier but in a more emotional/jealous sense, not logical/just business. I get some people also hate on nyan/vei but I gave them a pass personally, they’re just being their retarded selves lol

>>598461 I can't believe you faggots still regurgitate same anti points after all that's came to light about company facilitating distrust, intentionally blindsiding the talents and forcing ridiculous NDAs.

>>598448 i mean yeah I'm sure there genuine fans wanting to know why but coming from guys like these it's total bulshit talking about "the public" like he's some kind leader

Aethel wants to make a rap song with Kuro lol.

Ok, about my previous post: after listening to Aethel and seeing everyone's tweets, I wouldn't be surprised anymore if it was actually greed what motivated their financial mismanagement. They were probably directing all the stolen money towards their paychecks before anything else.

>ironmouse: check dm dont read out loud She is just keeps going

>>598479 anon i just don't like people who air the laundry to everyone to see... Same reason why i hate katie now too.

>>598482 what are you 12? It's always greed. They were also obligated to pay their employees first, talents are contractors.

>>598485 Whatever that was, he was very upset

>>598477 Silver’s jealousy arch started back in fall 2022 with the whole you’ll never be more than just a number…or whatever that tweet was, my brain is fuzzy on the exact wording

>>598490 you're operating on assumptions and rrats.

I can't believe Vshojo was the vanta black company all along.

>>598418 Yeah, her and Mint are the ones I feel the worst for in all of this.

>>598499 DUDE ARE YOU A NEWFAG? WE WATCHED THE PRESS CONFERENCE RETARD!

>>598500 nah man, there are some SEA and korean small corpos that are fucking insane like there was this one where the owner's sole target was to get vtubers to groom and have sex with

I don't know what Mouse is sending to Aethel but it sounds extremely bad...

>>598503 he keeps going specifically about who, so just report and filter

>>598490 There’s probably an element to that, but to say she bare no responsibility is bullshit. Why does mouse have to reach out, but she couldn’t? Literally 2 weeks before leaving silver is all giddy on vr collab and saying her usual I love you shit to mouse and glazing her at being special. Then 180 after the conference. I’ll stop looping but anyone who hurt mouse can fuck off. She was also responsible. Imagine me liking vei more of all people

Dude I was sleeping and I woke up at the worst time cuz I can't fucking sleep now.

>>598504 MTD literally tried to do the same. It's over, there's no defense whatsoever for this shit company besides not stealing the IPs.

Starting to think that MTD post on 4 was real

>>598521 it's almost confirmed that vshojo staff was 100% /here/

>>598526 not that we didn't know it, but by the time we realized all the /in/posting was real, or attempted to be real at the very least, made it obvious

>>598526 Yeah at one point it was almost obvious, then I felt like they just gave up after a while

Maybe they tried to hit mouse with a cease and desist.

Twitch should really remove the gunrun emote

>>598503 you're still stuck in 2023 despite all the new context that came out. Too much bias based on previous assumptions. God you're stupid

>>598411 honestly I dont see how that makes any sense. Is there something about her debut I am forgetting because unless he means just her existence would do that I dont know what this would even mean.

>>598546 Actually, I’m with anon you’re a newfag

>>598547 The existence of henya pre dates the 3 leaving. In fact vei was showing her new model to everyone in the leaked pic from her discord.

>>598521 One time I told him to stop vagueposting and he literally tweeted that he wouldn't lol

>>598547 Look at those 3 leavers saying sex sex pussy periods ewwwww, and look at Henya pure cinnamon bun. Leavers accelerated her debut.

>>598568 a reach the size of the planet's radius

>>598411 That's mostly their own fault unless Vshojo literally forced Silver to do the conference. A chilling thought.

Mouse just leaked me... Gunrun is on the epstein's list.

>>598588 that list was made up by h*lodrones

lol https://x.com/CottontailVA/status/1948450947459678220

>>598593 Chumbuds don’t look

>>598555 fuck off retard

>>598555 just report him

Ama is playing with Geega for those who want to escape this insanity for a while.

>>598635 oof, there’s some sour grapes with geega ITT, I’ll eat dinner and wait for henya??? Oh wait, is she streaming tonight

>>598642 are you okay?

>>598547 A segment of the fanbase was angry with certain VShojo talents for comments they had made during the Hogwarts debacle, and it was pretty easy to interpret bringing Henya in as a pivot by the company, especially when the "worst offenders" all left at the same time as she came in. Even though the behind-the-scenes reality was different, it wouldn't surprise me at all if management was aware of those optics and tried to encourage that perception.

>>598633 Does this mean that Froot owns Vshojo now?

>>598647 Not really No lol I slept 12 last night my brain has been fuzzy all day

michi...

Froot antis should all be shot

>>598672 Trump pfp, is he a Pippa fan?

>>598672 Next phase schizo in the making?

>>598676 weird way to say shooter

>>598672 this is what happens when that triggerpoint faggot makes a tweet, it's insane that you can't even be held accountable for causing this shit

>>598672 On the other hand, it is good to see Froot starting to snap back at her antis

>>598686 i'm almost sure that her obsessive ex is posting on half again... What was his name? CINNA? Motherfucker keeps baking froot threads out of nowhere.

>>598686 >it's insane that you can't even be held accountable for causing this shit you could in the pre-Musk days

>>598672 >still using a trump pfp when even his own followers are now massively calling him a pedo and liar on his own platform >>598686 This faggot along with blackjack and proctor all need to be hanged.

>>598672 No cinna was guy froot was ERPing with

>>598668 I fucking love her.

gun managed to summon kasii with this fiasco >>598672 what's baffling is not even the schizo but the amount of likes he got at almost 300 as of now

>>598722 the answer is bots, it's always bots

>>598722 i'll bet in a day that the likes would deflate

>>598661 ?

>>598690 Its not that, it's more this shit will never comeback to him, because he was "right"

THANK YOU AETHEL!

>>598731 This is the main reason why Elon made everyone's likes private btw.

>>598758 People like these can harass and spew whatever lies they want without being hold responsible for it

>>598760 explain your post lad

>>598648 sure it wouldn't be surprising but were talking about the past and Im saying I didn't see it. All the new era stuff was coming from the outside I don't remember the company itself doing anything to play into it and Henya herself certainly never did. and just because I feel like this is sounding like defending the company thats not the point. I just dont like this idea of putting responsibility on Henyas existence for audience dynamics that existed before she had even announced her previous graduation or in silvers case drama she brought on herself granted that was maybe from shitty manipulation from the corp but still it had nothing to do with henya.

>>598770 basically calling the parasite lawyer and shylily retards

>>598777 based

>>598786 man...

>>597500 Ah, I see why Ama was in a fouling mood today... Zen is actually a schizo. Btw I saw none mentioning it, but Ama was supposed to debut with Geega as a tandem

>>598789 >not even a dayo

>>598793 I think zen is an anon and she go sick of reading people mocking her because of the 2 viewers comment.

>>598798 She's certainly insane enough to be a regular /here/.

mouse sent aethel *another* dm

>>598793 Why did it take so much longer

Another DM from Mouse... >>598786 >>598789 :(

>>598806 i know... I mean about being a regular and not "visiting".

Man. I just wanna scream and I don't even know them personally.

>Wake up after watching Mouse and Monke being cute for hours >Check threads and twitter How do I go back in time to yesterday?

>>598814 i don't even know this people but seeing mouse broken like this is really fucking me up bad. I following her for years and i never had seen her this bad before

>>598789 Henya...

>apparently quinn was /in/ according to aethel w-what

i wonder how many people were /in/ and we will NEVER know about...

Dude, why the fuck I have to wake the fuck up at 2 am 10 mins after the vshojo post?

Btw MTD is watching Geega

community noted kek

>>598838 fucking snake kek

yuzu was in for everyone who begged for her

HE GOT COMMUNITY NOTED HAHAHAHAHAH

>>598838 Every time I read mowtendoo shortened to MTD I read it as marjorie taylor dreen

>>598844 Who the fuck is that?

Mouse basically said a House worth of money is owed to her

>>598844 >marjorie taylor dreen Bruh her last name is greene not dreen kek

Mouse said she's owed "HOUSE" amount of money

We know mouse we know

>>598852 a "good" house here cost around 1~2M

>>598852 You really don't know how much I want this to escalate into a criminal investigation because if does Gunrun is 100% getting fucked in prison

>>598852 so at least 6 figures

>>598857 honestly, i think if it goes criminal not just gunrun but a lot of vshojo execs are going

>>598862 7

>>598862 if kson with her numbers is owed like 200k mouse is at least 7 figures

>>598854 Mouse is a retard, I don't think she knows how much houses cost, it really could mean anything.

>>598882 Mouse bought her current house and it was not a cheap one.

some positivity

>>598882 a house in puerto rico costs 12 dollars and a bundle of pubes from a white virgin

Fuck off Hina, you stupid cunt, i see you in chat

>>598892 I'm a monstergirl enthusiast, so could I please have some lore on the esteemed chiitan-sama?

>>598882 She literally bought a house, and had to do renovations on it before she moved in. She complained about this quite a bit. On top of house shopping quite a bit. She is well aware. Also, it takes very little effort to check Zillow.

>>598899 massively popular Japanese mascot posting silly videos

>>598898 How is this cunt one of Aethel's mods?

>>598907 Most people don't obsessively check this thread to find clips where she throws shade at Froot one time.

>>598911 anon... Aethel is here

VEINUKE https://x.com/Veibae/status/1948509619543822703

>>598916 >and so our NDAs are now void girl i hope your lawyer told you that because there's a reason no one else is speaking on this level

>>598838 He better start getting busy lawyering up instead because what Vei just dropped concerns him.

>>598916 >their COO has begun to push a narrative on 4chan (yes im serious lmfao) and other social media that i am leaving because i plan to join OTK and that both me and silvervale are troublemakers WHAT THE ABSOLUTE FUCK

>>598916 >>598919 At first I was like "oh this is just the stuff she said on stream" but she confirms MTD is a sexpest

>>598916 That fucking rat mtd you fucking cunt

>>598916 >>598919 And that confirms Silver's talking points as well.

I knew MTD should killhimself too, i'm convinced the one fag defending him last thread when i was shitting on him is MTD at this point

>>598930 gonna need some [citation needed] on that, but at this point idk how farfetched all this could be

Now i think that pic of mouse saying "i compare my numbers and growth with the other talentes" was made by staff. JESUS CHRIST

aughhhhh my heart

NDAS ARE GONE! SHIT WILL GO DOWN NOW!

>>598930 She already said that. There's no proof. People had been calling her an OTK bitch for ages before she left, it was inevitable they would keep saying that afterward. People don't remember this, probably because they only started watching VShojo afterwards, but Vei was incredibly controversial even within /vsj+/ back during her tenure, not quite Who level but just below that.

>>598953 gone according to whom

>>598956 Vei (on Discord)

>>598956 company is dead and vei just confirmed her lawyer said it's dead.

>>598958 You're doing this for free?

>>598959 i guess that means nyan's, silver's and vei's; or else mouse wouldn't be telling aethel not to read the dms she sends aethel outl oud

DUDE ALL THAT STRANGE MOMENTS OF MOUSE AND NYAN AFTER SHE LEAVING FUCK CUCK COCK SUCKER

>>598935 >>598940 Mouse response

>>598963 guess she is waiting confirmation but the company is dead.