>>203158 Very fair point though I really enjoy the Avatar 2 (Didn't care for the first and I haven't seen 3 yet) but I also don't really care for any HFY yeah type shit but I can see that i'd be in the minority in my reasons for wanting to go there.

>>203158 Avatar does have a bunch of neat stuff that I personally really want. The remote controlled bodies capable of feeling sensations that the human body CAN'T, the biological mental interface that works between clades, the planet-spanning biological internet, the immortality drugs, the surprisingly user friendly mechs with full human physical dexterity, the metal 3d printers that can just outright make one of those mechs in like a day. It's just unfortunate that there's always so much HFY posting about Dances WIth Wolves in Space

>>203157 Also this. I like Avatar but there's a bunch of stuff I'm already making jumps for that I'm more invested in.

>>203160 ... God damn it, I forgot to change the last thread in the Old Thread section. It's supposed to go to >>201000

>>203164 >(Cross-thread) >(Cross-thread) >(Cross-thread)

>>203165 Yeah, I normally just copy the thing to notepad, change the numbers, and delete the crossthread addition, then copy and paste the changed bit. I forgot to copy the changed bit before pasting this time

We already have an Avatar jump anyway. It's in F-K folder, under J.C. Avatar. And no amount of HFY based on it.

>>203167 It's a rather bad Avatar jump though

>>203168 Is there any rason you think Spazz's would be better? He'll probably have a 600 Human perk that makes you the Emprah and a 600 CP Item that's just the Enterprise.

>>203169 It'd be difficult to make a jump worse than one that doesn't have any perks

>>203169 I disagree with your accusation. Many of my jumps did not had overpowered perks and items.

Going to sleep. Good night guys.

>>203167 It’s in the running for legitimately the worst jump we have, however.

>>203171 That whistling noise you just heard was the point as it shot above your head.

>shitting on avatar makes argent buttmad Noted for future reference

>>203118 It should be clarified, because you seem to have blinded yourself to it, that capitalism of the variety described necessarily requires all individuals involved to eschew violence, theft, and fraudulent dealings. Or for there to be an apparatus whereby these things are adequately punished, theoretically preventing offenses. Humans historically have only consistently engaged in capitalism when the alternative, killing and raping each other, is taken off the table as an option with a high likelihood of success.

>>203140 >>203141 >>203142 >>203145 Spazz has literally admitted he "writes" his jumps with AI. I don't even know why anyone cares about what he makes.

>Bitching about HFY >on a Collared board Couldn't be me

>>203179 Being able to abandon your humanity immediately is one of the main appeals of Jumpchain.

>>203179 Despite being a furry I imagine the reason why 9anon hasn't made Beastars or BNA despite claiming them is because they're not "Collared" enough and he detests having to play the role of an anthro instead of just imagining fucking them.

>>203180 No its getting away from glowniggers

>>203181 >not going drop in and being the only human on the planet

Doesn't Dragon Ball have a drug that turns people into furries?

>>203184 I thought it was cosmetic surgery.

>>203184 They just exist as apart of humanity.

>>203184 Yeah, but it's been out of vogue for a long time

>>203184 >>203185 >>203186 >>203187 Would not be surprised if some Furfag found out about the dragonballs and wished for every furfags personas to become their real bodies.

>>203188 Truly he was the best of us.

>>203188 Nope, it was literally just a drug that people took as part of a trend https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Animorphaline

>>203191 That's so much less intuitive and so much more fucking stupid.

>>203176 Nah, like I said - I like it but it's nowhere near one of my favorite settings. It's the HFY shitposting that's annoying, but that annoys me regardless of its source. You can shit on Avatar all you like, especially because the hide function is super effective here against targeted shitstirring.

>>203188 For anyone who's not aware: >Early in Dragonball Toriyama drew lots of animal people in crowd shots or as minor characters >Over time he drew them less and eventually stopped all together >The real reason this happened is that he either forgot or got bored of it, but the meta-explanation is >>203191

>>203160 Should have been a Christmas OP

>>203194 The genocide idea is a lot funnier to me personally.

>>203195 You can wait until Wednesday/Thursday

>>203158 Honestly I want an ikran breeding pair myself. And rda tech to make avatars.

>>203184 That's the Kakarot explaination, as with all shit from the games, it's basically fanfic accept it or not

>>203184 In the videogame lore, as an attempt to retcon the existence of furries as a natural thing, as the setting became progressively more normal.

>>203195 I was in the middle of a reply when the thread died so I made the new one really quick so I could post my reply.

>>203196 >The arc villain genocides Earth >The heroes use the Dragon Balls to wish back all the good people who were killed >None of the furries come back to life

>>203183 Humans exist in BNA. They're just secondary to beastmen because the plot is all about beastmen and hybrids and ancient tens of thousands years old demigods but that's not something to concern yourself with.

>>203193 >HFY It extremely damaged every possible discussion about Modulo since even before the first chapter, so I get your distate for it.

>HFY talk Out of Cruel Space, once you get past the first few chapters, becomes genuinely fun and interesting to read.

>>203203 Still not collared enough for 9anon, the furries there aren't mind-broken by human dick and I love with humans for the simple fact they're humans who are obviously betterer at everything and deserving of love and affection just because they're humans.

>>203204 HomosexualHomosexual damaged every possible discussion about JJK before the sequel ever dropped, lets be real

If HFY, then why do people keep trying to fuck aliens?

>>203208 Because Humanity fucks, yeah?

>>203208 I've always assumed that It's a bestiality metaphor

>>203205 It's fine, it's just that the autism of the writer shines through, with most characters sharing the same voice. So many dialog scenes involve Character A explaining something to Character B in an autistic manner, in a way that feels like it is the author himself commenting on the topic, that isn't natural to most people.

>>203205 Is there a good audiobook for that yet that isn't just ai? Sometimes web-lit can get surpsignly food fan audiobooks.

>>203167 Its really bad too

>Blazblue >Origin: Drop-In, M, 18 >Drawbacks: Criminal +300, Interesting +300. +600 1600 >Perks: Stylish Mode, Survivability -100, Ars Aptitude -600, Murakumo Unit -900. -1600 0 This is absolutely not a good build to use for this jump by any meaning of the word. But the Murakumo Unit is an exceptionally neat weapon and I want it so bad. My own Murakumo is a very pale reflection of what the true Lux Sanctus: Murakumo would be, but it's still rather neat, and unfortunately enough to draw unwanted attention from far and wide. At least my own aptitude with Ars Armegis means my Murakumo Unit's enhancements are significantly stronger than they'd be otherwise >BlazBlue Phase Zero >Origin: Temporal Anomaly, M, 28 >Drawbacks: Crash Landed +100 >Perks: Loved By God, Bounced Off The Boundary -100, Alternate Timeline Individual -200, I Studied The Sword (Murakumo) -200. -500 600 >Items: Bootstrap Paradox (Importing Murakumo) -100, Beast in a Bottle (Importing Murakumo) -500. -600 0 I absolutely shouldn't have been able to survive my time in BlazBlue, but I somehow managed it, and now I'm in the past somehow with my knockoff Murakumo unit having been upgraded into a full unit.

Do we have any jumps where aliens/anthros/etc etc. are better than humans? Not in a way that makes humans an underdog or just pushes another aspect of humanity to the top to make them better like having better technology or some shit. The opposite of hfy and collard stuff, humans getting mind broke by alien/anthro good times.

>>203205 I actually like that and WPATMS, but they are exceptions to the rule. Especially because they (mostly OOCS) don't go "humans are inherently superior and better at everything suck our dicks" like 99% of HFY garbage and in fact spend a good chunk of time establishing that humanity would get its shit rocked if it weren't for a vast number of external factors operating in our favor.

>>203207 Extremely meaningful argument anon, congratulation. It's more that the Gojo fandom ruined intelligent discussions for months, because of their constant copes.

sleepy 9anon

>>203214 Desperately hoping Gene takes up BB after doing GG.

>>203215 No? Collared and Furred are rather niche fetishes. The only reason there's two Collared jumps is because someone with that fetish made them

>>203215 Unironically, Changed.

>>203220 He can try to blend in, but the thread puritans will always remember who he is and go after him on principle. >>203145 You can't really stop a person from making jumps. I guess you could ignore them, but that would only be you and other people will give him the engagement he's looking for. Even if he gets no engagement, he might be like the jumpmaking hyperautists who make jumps without wanting any engagement with them. Though that last point probably isn't that likely given that he's from reddit and their entire community revolves around engagement.

>>203219 I hope so too. The technobabble is incomprehensible, but getting a proper Lux Sanctus: Murakumo instead of the somehow distinct Murakumo Unit would be nice.

>>203221 The good times but was just a small aspect of what I was looking for. >>203222 Is that one of those tsf jumps?

>>203225 >Is that one of those tsf jumps? It's the furry latex transformation jump I did.

>>203223 Strangely heard no bitching during the Kung Fu Panda jump, other than questions about strange jumpmaking practices, but as soon as Avatar showed up it started.

>>203223 If you keep picking on me, you'll find no jumps under your Christmas Tree. jk

>>203223 >thread puritans I know what you are

>>203229 It's Generic isn't it.

>>203215 Ben 10

>>203215 Tons of shonens, humanity is almost always at the bottom, and extremely rarely they manage to catch up. To give some examples >Dragon Ball >Nanatsu >Bleach (to be fair there the souls are still humans at least) >Eragon (not a shonen, but still an egregious example, where elves are perfect).

>>203227 Frankly I think people just latched onto Argent raising a fuss about HFY and saw it as an excuse to raise their own issues with him. >>203228 You say that but you already have one under the tree, I just know it. >>203230 I thought Generic's stance was against jumps with fluff, not jumps from other drives?

>>203233 >one

>>203226 Oh yeah I remember that one, thanks for the rec. >>203231 >>203232 Thank ya both as well.

>>203233 Generic's stance is >REEEEEEEEE I'M RIGHT JUMPCHAIN COMMUNITY IS WRONG FUCK SUPPLEMENT MODE FUCK JUMPMAKERS

>>203234 If I guess a random number I will probably be wrong. If I guess at least one I'll probably be right. It's a failproof logic.

>>203233 Generic doesn't have a stance. He assumes whatever position is most lucrative towards his goal of trying to kill off current Jumpchain so he can replace it with himself as the second coming of Quicksilver.

Reminder that Generic tried putting an outright porn jump onto the drive as soon as he thought he drove Argent out for doing less.

9anon being very homosexual right now

>>203178 wait really? Fucked if true. would explain why his jumps feel wrong though, I thought that was just cause hes from reddit.

>>203243 I wish.

>>203244 He says that he uses the AI to generate around 20% of the jump. So probably he uses it for the intro text and other fluff.

>>203215 The Human Domestication Guide is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural, anon. Arceus forgive me for what I have just unleashed upon this thread, but you did want answers.

>>203247 I really should go read the HDG Jumpchain fanfic I saw that one time

>>203248 Wait, someone actually did that?

>>203215 MGE

>>203151 nta but while Earth dying has been a thing since the first movie it was only in later materials that we discovered that actually unobtanium wasn't actually needed to maintain things on Earth and the only reason things aren't getting fixed is because megacorps care more about profit than they do addressing all the problems that mostly happened directly as a result of their own actions.

>>203243 THE SLEEPER MUST AWAKEN!

>>203251 nta, but nowhere in the movies do they say that Unobtanium is needed to fix earth. They literally just want it cause its valuable. LIke the whole thing is never portrayed as something important for the survival of humanity, rather they talk about the pressure of share holders.

>>203249 Yep. The plot premise was that they were a new jumper, but they were starting in that setting and the locals were going to ensure she wouldn't leave? I can't remember what website it was on though. It has to be QQ or AO3 due to the nature of the fic though

>>203254 >>203249 It's on AO3. I found it literally right after I hit post

>>203253 It's been a while since I've seen the movies but I'm pretty confident they talk in the first movie about how without unobtanium the Earth is fucked.

>>203256 They don't

>>203233 I dislike jumps from other drives in general, because their lack of standards means they get glutted with lowest common denominator crap that's not a serious attempt at making a cyoa for a setting but rather an excuse to cheat at other jumps, everything from Spacebattles' inclusion of every utility perk you'd ever want in every jump to Reddit's supermarket jumps giving you free Companions in all future jumps forever. And as an aside, I don't hate fluff. I hate useless cruft where authors feel like every single option needs to be a paragraph long so they shove in extra word count by explaining basic concepts that any human would understand without needing to be told or just natter on about nothing to fill space and waste time.

>>203256 They dont, they spell out that its because of the value >On Selfridge's desk is a magnetic base, and hovering in mid-air, in the invisible field, is a lump of METALLIC ROCK. >Pure UNOBTANIUM. He grabs it and holds it up between thumb and forefinger, in front of Grace's eyes. >SELFRIDGE >This is why we're here. >Unobtanium. >Because this little gray rock sells for twenty million a kilo. No other reason. >This is what pays for the party. And it's what pays for your science. >Comprendo? from the script of the first movie https://imsdb.com/scripts/Avatar.html

>>203250 Incubi are just humans that have cultivated a bit.

>>203215 The Culture.

Couple of quick clarifications on the Maris CHALDEAS thing’s capabilities now comprehensive translations are out >Whether or not she can use all the True Magics is unconfirmed. What she does in her NP is actually showing the consequences of CHALDEAS being defeated (which she frames as the inevitable outcome for humanity not complying with her empty ChatGPT-ass universe), so what looks quite likely to be ORT destroying the planet, the Dark 6, Crimson Moon and what I really hope isn’t the FUCKING Winnower shoving it’s pointy ass in yet another setting >It’s ability to wipe out the rest of the universe outside Earth is mostly assuredly literal; Da Vinci compares it to generating a more powerful law of reality than any existing in the universe as of now due to the sheer insistence of the Fantasy Trees’ structures containing galaxies (and a fuckload of magical energy) >Maris CHALDEAS’ indestructibility is essentially the same as Kama’s (it being an extension of it’s own Lostbelt universe) but with different mechanics. Because it’s generated a pocket dimension universe it’s considered metaphysically the same as such, but you can apparently cut down the original model Fantasy Trees to reverse the magical formula and reduce it to “merely” an artificial Root again which can be hijacked/beaten up/whatever >Really the entire setup for the final fight can be summed up as “Bigger Kama”, she has the Fantasy Trees shoot SUPERNOVAS at the Storm Border from all directions but because controlling light is Goetia’s specialty Flauros can just grab that shit and blow himself up with it >Also apparently Morgan’s Rhon is powerful enough to clash with said supernovas >Presumably these are merely mini-supernovas like how Arc’s recreation of the moon is a mini-moon. They make a point of clarifying the scale of Maris’ universe is vastly greater than Kama’s Ooku, on a scale of like a billion lightyears and Maris’ Saint Graph is flat out immeasurable in it’s current state, but the power of the supernova attacks “merely” rivals Goetia’s lightbands >Olga is literally stuck in Maris’ physical structure like a figurehead on a ship. It has become more blatant than ever that Olga is just Rin, Sakura and Ilya fused awkwardly into one character No further Fate updates from me until 6PM today when (I think) the raids kick off, just wanted to clear up some things. Also on a happier note I’m pleased to say I’ve finished all the metahuman perks for Mortasheen! Just got to do monsters now aaaaaa

>>203264 Good luck with the jump, Shard friend

>>203264 Mortasheen joomp is gud :)

>>203219 I will not deny I am very tempted to at least try. However, I'm going into GG already sold on the setting. I know dick-all about BB beyond the character designs and how impenetrable the lore is to outsiders. I will look into it, but that is the absolute most I am willing to promise at this stage.

>>203259 >It was Generic

>>203264 >Whether or not she can use all the True Magics is unconfirmed. What she does in her NP is actually showing the consequences of CHALDEAS being defeated (which she frames as the inevitable outcome for humanity not complying with her empty ChatGPT-ass universe), so what looks quite likely to be ORT destroying the planet, the Dark 6, Crimson Moon and what I really hope isn’t the FUCKING Winnower shoving it’s pointy ass in yet another setting Yeah, that's essentially what I saw people saying - that it's showing the destruction of the universe that will result from its defeat. Whether or not it IS the 6 True Magics is up in the air still I think. >Also on a happier note I’m pleased to say I’ve finished all the metahuman perks for Mortasheen! Just got to do monsters now aaaaaa Woop.

>>203267 More hope than I've had in years. Hope GG goes well and that BB hooks you.

Is there any martial arts in Guilty Gear?

>>203264 >and what I really hope isn’t the FUCKING Winnower shoving it’s pointy ass in yet another setting How and why does this fucker keep showing up everywhere?

What are your favourite ruler/kingship origins?

>>203271 I presume you mean hand to hand martial arts because their are plenty of weapons users which are martial arts but in anycase yes there are.

>>203256 They do not. It's purely desired because the corpos like the look of the new and shiny thing and they wants it. The whole "we need this NOW or Earth is DOOMED" is something HFYfags gaslit themselves into believing because they needed a flimsy justification to forcefeed to people to get them to hate the Na'vi and support planetary genocide.

>>203184 Animorphaline iirc, man furries would kill for something like this.

>>203247 >spoiler HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS >>203272 The principle of competition and survival is present everywhere there is the drive to exist.

>>203275 I will admit I have not watched 2 or 3 but as of 3 I believe JC believes humans need to settle on Pandora or perish.

>>203273 Zelda A Link Between Worlds

>>203275 NTA, but you do know that you've been pretty much the only one to go on about Na'vi genocide so far, right? I don't care either way as I thought the first movie was boring as fuck and never watched the other ones at all, but if you hate a topic so much bringing it up over and over again is counter productive.

>>203278 3 only posits that because Spider takes something that, through Eywa magic, is sorta implied/shown to be making him a pseudo-Na'vi who can survive on the planet. And even then, it's less about humanity's survival and more "holy shit if we vivisect this kid and figure out how to replicate it, we can conquer this planet easily then strip it for all that it has without issue". The corpo greed is still informing all that they do; there is no higher cause or desire to save mankind backing them.

>>203273 Mesopotamian Myth.

>>203270 How would you compare the amount of media between GG and BB? The most intimidating part of GG is that the story was spread across so many games, manga, novels, glossaries, pachinko machines, calendars, etc. Is BB any better/worse about that? >>203271 By nature of being a fighting game, yes. Most characters use weapons, but there are a number of characters who use hand-to-hand combat. Especially since being Asian (particularly Japanese) makes you genetically predisposed to using ki which gives you superhuman physical abilities, even if you've never been taught how to use it.

>>203253 >>203258 >>203261 >>203275 The reason unobtanium was so valuable was because as a room temperature superconductor it was invaluable for purposes of energy conduction and generation and also in the construction of specialized 'hyperchips', as well as FTL comms, the matter/anti-matter engines used on ships like the Venture Star and also used in the hyper-lev train systems on Earth. It's absolutely critical as a resource for humans to be a truly interstellar species and Earth's economy and energy infrastructure were entirely reliant on it. It was noted to be over a thousand times as efficient as any superconductor that Earth could make synthetically, and also noted that one of the reasons Earth never developed anything on par with it was because the RDA came down hard on anyone that tried to look into that sort of research, either via lobbying and regulatory nonsense or possibly (though unconfirmed) the funding of terrorist groups that would target anyone that looked like they might undermine RDA's market stranglehold by developing a synthetic superconductor that could compete with unobtanium. So, yeah, Unobtanium is absolutely vital to Earth in a bunch of ways, and iirc it was stated that in the 14 year gap between 1 and 2 that the Earth's population and economy were both absolutely devastated when the shipments of Unobtanium stopped.

>>203273 Origins? I guess the ruler origin in Magi: Adventures of Sinbad is okay? Though I guess my favorite would be the Merchant origin in Exalted Solars even if strictly speaking it's not an origin specifically about being a ruler.

>>203264 So actually, the fake universe is just an immense amount of empty space, and the degree to which it can actually do anything is entirely dependent on the erroneous assumption that just imposing Marisbury's modified Common Sense of Man harder than before will do the job? I have yet more reasons to think this plan is retarded, namely how anyone actually knows any of this. Taking for granted that it works, how does Marisbury know enough about, say, the Umbral Star to be confident this won't slide off it? The aliens are fucking alien, no one knows how these things work, they definitely shouldn't be among the things he can simulate. And, seriously, what do you mean you can just push harder and your laws can crush all opposition? Isn't one of the basic premises of the setting that the Universe of Human Observation already fucking does that, and it loses to Dead Apostles? Why does CHALDEAS suddenly supercharge it?

>>203282 >3 only posits that >This is only true because of the plot, and other things also exist. Weird way to concede a point.

>>203288 Its argent, he can't admit to ever being wrong about anything

I like supplement mode.

>>203268 Reminder that you cannot hate Generic enough.

>>203285 >and also noted that one of the reasons Earth never developed anything on par with it was because the RDA came down hard on anyone that tried to look into that sort of research, either via lobbying and regulatory nonsense or possibly (though unconfirmed) the funding of terrorist groups that would target anyone that looked like they might undermine RDA's market stranglehold by developing a synthetic superconductor that could compete with unobtanium. Well, that’s a massive self-own. All they needed to do was invest in that same research themselves and patent/copyright the atomic structure of the new synthetic unobtanium. Make even more money from a growing society that’s not reliant on one far-off Planet you can barely even pretend to control. >>203287 In slight fairness, Dead Apostles were specifically made by Crimson Moon as a giant middle finger to the Human Order/Human History. So we can probably attribute that to them being specifically designed to undermine the Human Order from inside the house.

>>203291 Very true.

>>203292 >Well, that’s a massive self-own. It's a megacorpo. That's entirely on brand for them.

>>203291 I think he just an't comprehend that not everyone likes what he likes and thinks he has some kind of duty to force others to change. But he's too scared to go off on his own and start a new community.

>>203285 Just to clarify your stupid clarification, because it needs to be explained why the earth was devastated, factories on Mars and the Moon caused toxins to rain down on Earth. Also, the maglev system was already built before the RDA had even started to exploit Pandora. Also also, the RDA just kind of became an authoritarian globalist regime unanswerable to any governing body because humanity became dependent on the RDA's technology, which begs the question of why they're such profiteering jackasses when they already have unquestionable control over the human race.

>>203296 Money. Me want more.

>>203285 A lot of that is from video games that have been confirmed to not be canon. And none of it shows up in the movies themselves. >>203292 >Well, that’s a massive self-own. All they needed to do was invest in that same research themselves and patent/copyright the atomic structure of the new synthetic unobtanium Anon they're essentially the East india company, their expertise is exploiting foreign locations for all their worth, not synthesizing new metals on earth.

>>203297 >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW0IR3q0EvE

>>203296 >factories on Mars and the Moon caused toxins to rain down on Earth Okay I could suspend my disbelief that the moon is close enough to shunt pollution from one to another, but mars??

>>203265 >>203266 >>203269 Thanks! Perks section is destroying me even after I finally surrendered my hubris and accepted that due to generally being more routine than metahumans, it’s okay for monster classes to have single perklines compensated by access to the big powerlevel section, in exchange for metahumans having a much broader overall skillset Gosh it’s going to be weird to have a relatively sparse items section after all of this, simply because the majority that aren’t “ruins”, “institutions”, “green goo” or “monster parts” are just built as monster ability-inspired gadgets anyway. >>203272 I don’t know but get it out of my chain.

>>203301 >I don’t know but get it out of my chain. Bro you love it wdym

>>203296 >which begs the question of why they're such profiteering jackasses when they already have unquestionable control over the human race The answer is bad writting. >>203297 They could mak waye more money by not acting like crazed Captain Planet villains .

>>203294 See >>203296 Calling the RDA a megacorp is sadly selling their level of power short. They are, as far as it matters, the corpocratic dictatorship ruling Earth. They have their own military which makes it impossible for governments to dislodge them, they can simply ignore international laws, they can build whatever wherever they want. It's actually bad writing to portray them as being moneygrubbing greed demons, because they're already so powerful they can just print their own money.

>>203303 >They could mak waye more money by not acting like crazed Captain Planet villains . Videogame companies could make way more money by not being stupid. >BUT THEY AIN'T GONNA

>>203303 >They could mak waye more money by not acting like crazed Captain Planet villains . Anon, real life corporations do everything the RDA are doing and more, and are only limited by the fact the technology to completely eradicate our biosphere in the name of profit quotas simply isn't there yet. Corpos do not care so long as MORE MONEY is acquired. >>203304 That makes it infinitely worse.

>>203301 >I don’t know but get it out of my chain. You did this to yourself.

>>203304 >Stupidity is bad writing Reality is bad writing.

>>203298 The problem is they already did it because they created all of the unobtanium technology before leaving earth, that's why they're so rich and powerful to begin with. How they acquired all of this unobtanium and invented all of this technology is supremely questionable. It's even more questionable why they wouldn't simply invest in synthetic unobtanium in the first place instead of mining it from pandora, because they already did all of the techtree on Earth with whatever was available, you'd think they would have already done it.

>>203304 >they can just print their own money. That just makes them poorer. Evil corpos want to be richer, not deflate the value of their own wealth.

>>203305 >>203306 But that's just it, they could make so much more money by not doing all that. They're WASTING money fucking planets over for shits and giggles when they could be making untold bank with their monopoly on all things space.

>>203312 Yeah, but my profit margins! Doing that makes funny line go down short term, and that's BAD.

>>203312 You CLEARLY do not get how corporations think. These are not reasonable, sane people. These are greed elementals who want their quotas and they want them now.

>>203312 The last few decades of actual history have shown that common sense and profits are not what drives corporate thought. Its autism.

>>203313 What profit margins? Anon I think you missed the part where the RDA have military assets. As in, they can just mass produce their own drone army and nuclear weapons. Money only matters when you don't have enough hard power to simply dictate terms to anyone and everyone, and the RDA doesn't give a shit about laws, so...they could just take their guns and mechs and declare themselves Zeon, princes of space.

>>203296 >factories on Mars and the Moon caused toxins to rain down on Earth Okay, I can understand the Moon, it’s pretty close in stellar terms, but, uh…Mars? How? >which begs the question of why they're such profiteering jackasses when they already have unquestionable control over the human race. Presumptively, since they’ve retained the structure and ethos of a for-profit corporation, they behave as if they’re a modern American corporation desperately chasing increased shareholder value no matter how what the costs to the people at large are unless it directly and immediately impacts shareholder value. Or to put it another way, the RDA, despite functionally being a world government, does not view itself as a government. They still view themselves as a company, with no stake in broader society which exists only to serve as collective if consumers and laborers.

>>203316 Using means losing. Taking means gaining. GIMME GIMME GIMME

>>203169 I actually like his jumps, even if he can be a bit obnoxious. Kinda like Psycho.

>>203316 In lore, they get to have a space monopoly as long as they don't use nukes. No idea how this is enforced, when they're the only people allowed in space. "Yeah trust me bro I don't have any nuclear weapons :^)"

Do you guys think James Cameron knows anything about economics or business?

>>203313 >>203314 >>203315 I already hate it when governments waste other people's money being retarded, but it's even dumber when a supposedly profit mined business goes out of its way to do everything as unprofitably as possible.

>>203317 >but, uh…Mars? How? It's the magic of pollution. James Cameron hates industrial civilization so much that expanding your production chain to another planet entirely just causes more problems for your home world, because in his mind it's not enough that it shouldn't happen on earth, in his opinion, it shouldn't be happening anywhere.

>>203321 I wouldn't trust him with anything that isn't imaging tech or pedophilia

>>203321 He knows more than I do, I think, on account of getting paid the big bucks for making these movies.

>>203316 It honestly never made sense to make the avatars UNLESS they were actually trying for a peaceful approach. Once that was off the table they should have started dropping meteors. That said wasnt it actually the navi who started killing rda people first?

>>203309 nta but the didn't originally have all the unobtanium tech. The first ships that went to Pandora were called the Capital-star class vessels and were something like 4 times the size of the Venture-Star class ships because the lack of unobtanium meant they had to make the radiators much bigger. Anyway unobtanium based tech was developed over time as more and more unobtanium was shipped back to Earth. The movies don't do a good job of showing it but Earth, and the RDA specifically, has been doing ground operations on Pandora for like 70 years by the time of the first movie starting. Anyway it's not that the Earth didn't have superconductors, it's that unobtanium was like 1000 times more effecient than what Earth could make synthetically so once it started hitting the market everything developed from it made everything beforehand just about obsolete and as a result the economy and energy infrastructure came to rely on regular shipments of it. Shipments which the RDA had a total and absolute monopoly on, legally, thanks to being the ones to finance and construct the ships that did the initial surveys and operations on Pandora.

>>203326 Realistically the Navi should die to the flu, because they have no immunity to it.

>>203327 Unobtanium was also native to Earth. They just mined all of the stockpiles they had

>>203323 The videogame makes this even more stupid, just turning power on in an rda base is enough to kill all life for hundreds of meters around a base. And the second you blow up said base the wildlife and plants just become healthy again.

>>203315 It didn't have to be that way, then Chevrolet and Dodge fucked over Ford and now here we are.

>>203328 Seriously. Im amazed the rda didnt just engineer a navi specific virus.

>>203331 Publicly traded companies were a mistake.

>>203330 I'd call those bases Shinra-ass, but the RDA is clearly more effective at the job.

>>203320 It is ridiculous on the face of it that the RDA, in a position where they can make their own nukes, would just agree not to even if they intended to break the spirit if not the letter of the agreement. Really, why not just tell the governments to kick rocks? You control orbital foundries, you have spaceships. What are they going to fucking do if you make nukes, cry about it? The entire point of nukes is to exist as such a threat you can't meaningfully oppose the one who controls them.

I feel like the Helghast would have a jolly old time on Pandora.

>>203328 >>203332 Their biology is so alien and beyond ours along with living in an environment that kills us dead in less than a couple minutes of exposure that no common virus would ever work on them, even discounting their literal planet-scale mother goddess.

>>203326 Each individual avatar body cost five billion dollars, so yeah this was absolutely an actual attempt at peace. Also, in the first movie they talk about RDA shooting up the navi school, but all the bullet holes are at the height of an adult navi.

There becomes a point where it's more advantageous to just genocide large portions of the planet to maintain stability. Just a cheeky nuke here, and silly plague there.

>>203337 This is why people fucking hate the Navi and want to glass pandora. Not what you said, but the way you said it was the height of obnoxious.

>>203337 Im unsure you understand how viruses work.

>>203337 That's not how viruses work. Deadliness is not a scale, if they haven't developed a resistance to the specific strain they are screwed.

>>203326 >It honestly never made sense to make the avatars UNLESS they were actually trying for a peaceful approach. You do realize their "peaceful approach" would still involve strip mining out the unobtanium from their major trees situated in the hearts of their local settlements, causing unprecedented destruction to their environment and killing countless right?

>>203326 My many year old impression (so probably wrong) was that the violence started after some Navi teens who went to Grace’s school burned a company bulldozer and the company soldiers chased down and gunned the teens down in their school house.

>>203337 I could buy that the biology is so alien that a virus from earth and a navi body look at each other and go "What the fuck is this?" and ignore each other, but everything else you said is so retarded that it warrants a rangeban

>>203341 >>203342 >>203345 You are making the equally retarded (and erroneous) assumption that alien biology would be impacted by our Earth contaminants.

>>203346 I know you don't read what you reply to, but can you at least make it less obvious?

>>203343 Argent if the alternative is literally nuke it from orbit then yes it is the peaceful option. Peaceful doesnt need to mean nice. Besides if they could have worked out something with the navi they may have been able to do the mining in a less destructive way but thats a nonstarter.

>>203327 This is also stupid and not how this shit works, but I'm not surprised James Cameron doesn't understand why no one would choose expensive and rare unobtanium over cheap and abundant alternatives no matter the performance difference.

This looks like a job for the Rimjobs.

>>203346 If you can engineer an avatar body you can find a navi disease and alter it to be more infectious and deadly.

>>203346 How can humans understand navi bodies well enough to upload their consciousness into, but not so well enough they couldn't apply even rudimentary viral warfare?

>>203343 >"peaceful approach" >killing countless I dont think you know what words mean.

HUMANITY, FUCK YEAH! >Nukes Earth >Nukes Pandora

>>203348 >Argent if the alternative is literally nuke it from orbit then yes it is the peaceful option. If both options lead to genocide, then either option can be considered "peaceful". Just call it the less bad one of the two. >>203355 Please read the initial post I was reasoning to, thanks. Retard.

>>203355 I don't think you understand sarcasm marks.

>>203353 Argent will just say that RDA simply didn't understand their own Navi cloning technology because Navi biology powerscales human comprehension.

>>203329 Was it? I don't remember that. >>203334 nta but in the Remakes they go out of their way to point out that the public at large is fully aware that Mako reactors are basically killing the environment and turning things into an unlivable wasteland but that they don't care because as long as they get electricity to run their creature comforts what happens "somewhere else" doesn't bother them. >>203335 bro the RDA literally uses matter/anti-matter engines on their ships, they don't need to make nukes because they've already got better.

>>203359 Nah, humanity wins because I hate xenos.

>>203322 It's not about profit, it's about putting the peasants in the place.

Avatar is not a HFY setting because you are a failure as a species if you are able to maintain complete air and space superiority but are somehow unable to wipe out your enemy.

>>203353 >>203354 Just looked it up - we apparently have a canon answer so I don't need to keep arguing in circles over this point. In Project 880, the original Avatar script available online, they give this explanation about diseases during their orientation at Hell's Gate: >"He tells them the stiff penalties for any violation of the base security rules, as well as for the use of illegal drugs, fighting, misuse of firearms and so on. There is a frontier town mentality, as well as an overwhelming sense of us against them. Us being the humans, and them being anything that draws breath on Pandora. It's not all grim here, he says. As of today you will never get another cold or flu. We don't get them here. Pandora has somehow reacted to the introduction of our viruses by creating a countervirus for each which wipes them out. In fact, the Consortium has the patents on these counterviruses, and when the FDA approves them, everybody on Earth will be buying them. That's the sort of thing we're looking for here. So please stay alert to the commercial possibilities of your research." TLDR: Eywa canonically says "fuck you".

>>203345 Thing is virus dont even really follow with how life normally works on earth since they just latch onto existing cells to make more of themselves by hijacking the dna, which is just weird since they are also simpler than normal cells in many ways. Theres been some speculation that virus may have come from space way way back in time since they seem to have evolved backwards.

>>203354 Grace canonically devised a cure for a disease that was killing local Na’vi and avatars in the background lore. So it’s definitely possible. The main issue is that once the disease becomes an actual threat to the Na’vi population rather than just to small groups, Eywa will just throw together a patch update to the Na’vi immune system.

>>203364 >Fortunate Son plays

>>203365 You really dont understand what people mean when they say engineer a virus do you?

>>203349 I mean when the performance gap is sufficient that it allows for matter/anti-matter engines and FTL communications, whereas the mor abundant alternatives don't, that's the kind of gap where it really does matter. Unobtanium might as well be magic for the sort of nonsense it enables.

>>203370 >Eywa solos

>>203326 They didn't want to slaughter the Natives. They mentioned in the first movie how that is really bad PR. They just eventually decided they couldn't wait anymore. From the script >SELFRIDGE >Killing the indigenous looks bad, but there's one thing shareholders hate more than bad press -- and that's a bad quarterly statement. Find me a carrot to get them to move, or it's going to have to be all stick. The RDA would probably haves loved to do a classic colonialism tactic where they just give natives some shit they want, elevate some leaders to act as puppets and then exploit them for all they can with only a tiny fraction of the native population benefiting from it. The problem is that the humans had no resources the Na'Vi cared for and that the richest deposits of Unobtanium are beneath Holy Trees essential to the Na'VI as a species.

>>203351 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr89xoZyE1g

>>203374 Love this gremlin.

>>203373 Oh now thats not true, 3rd movie proves they just didnt go to the right group of navi. Should have gone to the fire worshippers.

>>203370 >"Pandora has somehow reacted to the introduction of our viruses by creating a countervirus for each which wipes them out." What part of this was so hard to read for you that you needed me to pick it out of the paragraph so you could digest it at a rate your malnourished brain can process? I'll slow down even further if you need to catch up more.

Argent really will fucking powerscale anything, huh? Even Avatar? Even Helluva Boss? What's next, is he going to powerscale real world physics?

>>203377 I think he just wants a reaction out of you.

>>203357 >Please read the initial post I was reasoning to, thanks. Retard. I did and you're still an idiot.

>>203373 Who gives a shit about PR when you control everything and are all alone on a planet a gorillion lightmiles away?

>203378 >>203379 I was right

>>203377 Can Navi get disease? >>>203368 says yes, do you agree? If so, then you can engineer one. Simple as.

>>203378 People needed this long to figure this out? No fucking wonder we had so many trolls back on tg.

>>203365 Just looked it up, project 880 isnt canon to the movies anyway, its an early script. Changes were made to a lot of it.

>>203379 Considering he's accusing me of "powerscaling" for quoting actual canon material, I'm pretty sure you're right. Just hiding and ignoring the rest of this now.

Does your jumper work for the RDA? Honestly if I was jumping Avatar I'd be having my own dudes by that point.

>>203365 Not any of the anons in this conversation, but I do find it kind of funny that there is an almost literal Deus Ex Machina in the form of Eywa. >"Hey, shouldn't numbers and tech lead to human victory-" >"No, fuck you, Eywa is going to throw anything and everything at you out of spite." >"What about viruses-" >"Fuuuuuuck you, Eywa says counter-viruses that counter your viruses!" Oh! Oh wait, I just realized something. This is quite literally the space magic equivalent of 'I have a shield that deflects everything you do!' James Cameron looked at all the reasons the Na'vi would, realistically, lose, and just went 'no, fuck you, magic space mom says no'. I'm not even mad, that's just kind of funny.

>>203365 So not from the movies or any off the canon extra material. LMAO eat shit you cry when people use "noncanon" sources then do this.

>>203387 My jumper would probably spend the majority of time leading an uprising

>>203377 You keep saying shit thats not actually canon and asserting it as fact >>203379 Piss off its different people

>>203386 I'm accusing you of powerscaling because you look at dubiously canon material and then extrapolate conclusions from it that are a leap of logic while being unreasonably hostile to anyone who corrects you on it.

>>203389 15 MORE MOVIES LETS GO

>>203385 The only things that are majorly different are how avatars work and how several characters don't appear. The rest was brought in almost 1:1 with what we got in the final draft.

>>203379 I responded a couple of times, and have been civil. It is multiple people.

>>203395 Then find stuff from the final draft.

>>203395 Except for all that stuff that wasn't ever mentioned in the movies

>>203394 JC says he is done with Avatar for now. 3 made less than 2 which made less than 1. 3 apparently underperformed.

>>203395 >The only things that are majorly different are how avatars work That sounds like a dealbreaker, chief.

>>203395 There are literally viruses that affect the ecosystem in avatar, they are not immune to everything

>>203381 For the same reason a megacorp that is basically in control of the entire planet with its own military and exclusive control of the most powerful starships ever made somehow gives a shit about what alleged "share holders" think, ie: bad writing. >>203387 In my current chain I used SB's Avatar jump and helped them to create a device that could interface with and mind control Ewya and, by extensive, every living thing on the planet (this is canon to one of the games, which the jump is for). We then ordered the Na'vi to move away from all the unobtanium deposits. Also we took over the RDA, eventually, and steered the company away from Captain Planet villainy and towards less self-destructive methods.

>>203401 I don't think anyone said they were immune to everything, merely Human ones.

>>203373 >The problem is that the humans had no resources the Na'Vi cared for Honestly, this is probably the only thing about Avatar I actually have a real problem with. I understand that Avatar is an environmentalist and anti-colonial propaganda piece, but why the fuck would James Cameron so horribly misrepresent native people like this? No indigenous population has this attitude, not even isolationist tribes

>>203399 >for now That for now is doing a lot of work there. That being said, I'm surprised Avatar 3 did worse than 2, since I keep hearing people say 3 was better. I guess after 2 people were burnt out and/or didn't care enough?

>>203403 Well if thats the case then you do what you would literally already be doing, engineer a virus using a navi specific disease as a base.

>>203399 The only thing I've found as to him reflecting on the franchise thus far is considering Avatar 3 "the culmination of a saga/story arc". >>203403 You would be correct.

>>203381 I am pretty sure them controlling everything isn't canon. They're just a pretty powerful corpo focused on space exploration and getting resources from their, but with other interest on earth. Like it's similar to the food companies we have here that occasionally overthroe foreign governments and poison villages and shit. Like you still want to make sure your evil deeds aren't constantly making headlines.

>>203387 One jumper did, was an evil prick in the science department. Another time I jumped I turned it into an RTS 1v1v1 with my megacorp conglomerate, the RDA, and Eywa. Was a pretty fun thought experiment because a lot of the "future" tech gets fucked by the seriously strong magnetic fields.

>>203405 It had an $88m domestic weekend. Which is still pretty ridiculous, but nowhere near the heights the franchise has made.

>>203404 Fire tribe wants guns, should have befriended them from the start

>>203406 Which brings us back around to "Why aren't they doing this, and if they are why didn't it work?"

>>203408 Old nestle and their horror shows.

>>203388 It's funny that it is canon but magic tree mommy only delays the issue. Humanity can keep progressing their tech tree but the blue cat people are stuck at their current level, Eventually the biosphere gets depopulated and the humans win.

>>203412 Plot induced stupidity.

>>203408 Uh, no, they absolutely control everything.

>>203413 >Get people hooked on free baby formula till they can no longer breastfeed >Take away freebies and force them to pay >Babies die

Does the Pandora gestalt mind thing have any means of shooting at spacecraft?

>>203404 That's because the specific tribe of Na'vi they initiated first contact with are highly superstitious and inherently entrusting of the RDA. The one in Fire & Ash is far more receptive to the idea of first contact and being granted guns and shit. >>203414 >Eventually the biosphere gets depopulated and the humans win. All of the shit the humans want from Pandora is produced on it/by Eywa. They ruin the biosphere, and they lose their cash cow unless the RDA figures out how to synthesize everything in full.

>>203412 No idea, one anon pointed out grace helping cure a disease in the navi, and google says theres a weird nonnative virus called the velocivirus killing off stuff in the ecosystem thats starting to become a problem but the navi keep spreading it on their airships. Honestly its probably just james cameron not thinking through details in his propaganda

>>203402 >SB's Avatar jump They have one? I'm not surprised cause the one we have is barebones (to say the least) but I haven't been able to find one

>>203418 As far as we're aware, no. It has floating islands utilizing some means of anti-gravity, but no indications it can weaponize that.

>>203419 So, I understand that you're making a point here, but there is an implication made that I feel creates an unavoidable plot hole. You mean to say, the RDA only bothered to talk to ONE TRIBE

What I’m getting from all this RDA talk is that I should just take over human society and reorganize it for increased efficiency and comfort for the average human. Because they are clearly not doing well despite having the tools to solve most of their problems with a bit of elbow grease and creative study.

>>203423 And not even the tribe most likely to trade with them. They went to the worst possible tribe to deal with first.

>>203423 Yes!

>>203419 *distrusting >>203423 They wanted the Unobtanium from their holy trees and as far as we know, the other tribes have their own adaptations and shit they focus on so there was no point to contact them initially. Assuming the RDA even knew they existed. I don't think Jake and his tribe even knew the other Na'vi tribes were a thing up until the second movie.

>>203427 >I don't think Jake and his tribe even knew the other Na'vi tribes were a thing up until the second movie. First movie's final act. Come on man

Can you eat the wildlife.

>>203424 Those tools are all owned by corpos who really don't care about anyone not in the 0.01%. The rest of humanity need rebreathers just to not drop dead when going outside because they destroyed all their flora and fauna, leaving the biosphere a dead husk.

>>203427 Frankly I would have expected them to land their ships in a less forested area, maybe the planes area, someplace less likely to get attacked. But they went right to the worst possible spot other than the ocean itself to start their mission.

>>203418 >Activate a volcano >The volcano shoots rocks at humies >??? >Profit

>>203427 Argent, we're talking about a spacefaring civilization. You're talking as if the RDA came to Pandora through a portal, they could just fly around to chart every single Navi population group on a map.

>>203428 I haven't watched the first movie in a good while, but when talking about other tribes, I don't mean "tribes in the area" - I mean the water dwellers and the fire people.

>>203433 You're implying a lot of competence to this movie's characters.

>>203418 Shoot spacecraft at rocks. Problem solved.

>>203434 Unless the fire people and water tribes never set foot in the open that is no excuse to a civ literally sitting in orbit watching the planet below. They mapped the planet from up there. They have a better chance of spotting coastal cities or towns in barren areas than a forest.

>>203433 They're a spacefaring civilization that only cared about Unobtanium initially and established their sold beachhead in the area that they assumed was the closest to the biggest unobtanium deposits. They were stupid enough to assume the rest of the planet didn't matter beyond the Unobtanium up until the second movie, at which point they realized there was more to exploit than just mining the fancy rocks. Quite frankly, this entire conversation relies on assuming the RDA are way smarter and more advanced than what we actually see.

The incompetence of the RDA is reminding me of the incompetence of Hardspace Shipbreaker.

>>203438 >Quite frankly, this entire conversation relies on assuming the RDA are way smarter and more advanced than what we actually see. Not really, it just relies on the idea that the rda had working cameras or talked to literally any navi after they made a base. Which we know they did.

>>203440 Well, sure, they had cameras and brains. But did they use either effectively?

>>203439 According to the game frontiers of pandora a LOT of the blame is all because one guy was a comically inept and evil asshole who kept getting promoted instead of fired. Which honestly I can believe.

>>203387 Technically speaking, the RDA worked for Jumper, since by the time I hit Avatar, I had a massive megacorp following me. So the RDA was the equivalent of a remora to Jumper's megacorp's shark, following in Jumper's wake and grabbing whatever they could. Jumper's tech allowed him to harvest things like unobtanium without actually damaging the environment, so the RDA made deals with Jumper to get a slice of the pie. Since Jumper's methods weren't a threat to the biosphere/life, Eywa had no reason to be hostile, and Jumper's bio-science ensured the Avatar project was advanced by leaps and bounds, so communication with the Na'vi was much easier. There were still some fights, but Jumper tech meant dealing with those issues with minimal bloodshed was easy. TL;dr: Bullshit Jumper tech and megacorporation leads to technical HFY, but the (relatively) peaceful and decent kind.

>>203441 The research teams did at least, and they were shipping plant samples back to earth which were doing a lot of good and making profits as bio lamps that didnt need fuel and radiation devouring mushrooms to cleanup bad areas.

>>203438 If they're that fucking lazy, why didn't they just use shaft mining techniques to sap at the Unobtanium from underground without ever interacting with the Navi at all? You don't even need to drill a shaft near the deposit since you know exactly where it is, you can set it up so the ore comes down on a slope

>>203444 Excepting anyone in the avatar program

>>203284 >Is BB any better/worse about that? It's more or less the same. Phase zero are prequel novels, Xblaze is a prequel visual novel series, Remix and Variable heart are prequel manga. The only saving grace is that to my knowledge the anime is just a recap of one of the games

>>203445 Would have been more cost effective too and you could turn the mine into a permanent base of operations. A basically impenetrable base considering the local tech level.

>>203431 They chose their position solely because of how close it was to the largest unobtanium deposits they could detect (the trees) IIRC. Which makes it no wonder the local tribes despised them - that shit was all but screaming "hostile unknown force with ill intent". >>203440 The local Na'vi would have no clue about the water dwellers or the fire dwellers. We even know from the second movie that at BEST, the Metkayina are implied to have interacted with Ian Garvin and that's it - their human contact was so minimal and them so isolated that Jake and his family stayed there for several months before the RDA even figured out where they were. The Metkayina themselves didn't even really know the Omatikaya beyond them being "forest people" to them. >>203445 Even if they did that, Eywa would know even if the Na'vi did not. And it would send all the local wildlife into a frenzy to kill them - which WOULD tip off the Na'vi that something is wrong. The biggest challenge with these "ignore the Na'vi" plans is that it all comes back to Eywa being the first responder and she's not going to just sit back and watch as people parasitize off of her with abandon. You either find a way to make peace with Eywa and establish a means to get the resources without invasively mass harvesting or you try to kill her.

>>203449 They literally go around uniting the different local tribes in the first movie.

>>203438 >way smarter and more advanced than what we actually see. Consciousness transfer and study of the Navi already demonstrates they are smart. Not just in a vague sciency way, but in a tactics way. The issue is that the movies are poorly written trash that force outcomes that would never happen based on how they are presented.

>>203449 Sapping method is non harmful to the local area, unless you have a collapse which is a whole nother issue. Do you think eywa is going to collapse her forest to stop someone a mile underground thats not fucking with her? Can she even interact with or alter the stone? Or is she the biomass on the surface.

I want to come into Pandora with with the full Classic Sonic Conquerer perkline and just confuse everyone with animal robots that are surprisingly deadly.

>>203454 Just make sure you eat one of the floating jellyfish to breath first.

>Vocaloid maybe exists in Pokémon due to Project Voltage >Miku cameos in Baka to Test >there's a Miku cameo in Craig of the Creek >a furry artist in Helluva Boss drew a rabbit Miku >Fortnite, obviously >Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker used to have VOCALOID-flex features >Miku's a DLC character for Persona 4: Dancing All Night >obviously playable in Sonic Racing: Crossworlds >and Super Monkey Ball Banana Rumble >Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE's version of Tiki is an Uta-loid >she's in Blue Archive >she's in Valkyrie Connect >IDW Sonic has Cyber Singer Mika, an obvious send-up >wherever Jumper goes, there is also Miku I don't know what to do with this information.

>>203455 >Using natural resources Fuck that, I'm using SCIENCE.

Are we really doing this 'what if you did X smart thing, this is well known and not particularly onerous to do' with 'invented technobabble explanation which makes no damn sense does something to make sure you can't do that for no reason'

>>203456 Rejoice.

All this talk about Avatar just makes me think of introducing xenomorphs to both Earth and Pandora.

>>203460 Do not do this.

>>203460 DO IT

>>203456 >She's also in Super Robot wars due to Shinkalion >She also fights two versions of Godzilla She's also indirectly part of the godzilla multiverse.

>>203408 Chiquita Banana did nothing wrong.

>>203454 Go full Eggman, go through every Sonic jumps and grab all the Eggman perks/items/etc and just go full ham on everyone. >"OHOHOHOHO! I have come for your precious unobtanium with my army of badniks!" >"Badniks? That sounds like a stupid name-OH FUCK OH SHIT OH FUCK!" >"You will not take our home-what are those strange metal egg-shaped creaetures-GAH!" >"AHA! That'll show the 'ol Egghead, I'm much better at crushing blue nature protecting aliens than he is!"

>>203460 I'm not sure if this should be done.

>>203461 You right you'd get more interesting results on just Pandora.

Well now I just want to take the godzilla hollow earth item to pandora and unleash titans on eywa

>>203458 We are doing the, 'what if you did a handful of the most obvious things one would think to do in this situation' with 'fairly obvious reasoning that people who are very motivated to achieve X goal would think about'.

>>203450 And the Metkayina are /not/ a local tribe. None of the Reef tribes are. That's the whole reason the remaining Omatikaya leave and join up with them in the second movie. The local tribes, with the Omatikaya as the largest =/= the Reef or the Ash village clans. There's also the fact that the latter clans, in the Mangkwan, are resented and hated by the other clans for being raiders and pillagers so they'd have no reason to discuss them even amongst the few who are aware of them.

>>203458 No one has ever done that! No one has EVER done that in the history of Jumpchain!

>>203470 >That's the whole reason the remaining Omatikaya leave and join up with them in the second movie. Correction: not even the remaining Omatikaya, just Jake and his family. So even less who know precisely where the fuck the tribe was initially. >>203468 Honestly, that just fucks over the RDA more than anything. Outside of Destroyer Titans, most of the Titans aren't going to react well to comically evil humans trying to stripmine a planet to death. And the Destroyer Ttians are just going to destroy and kill blindly.

>>203470 What does it matter? Seriously, what does it matter? Local? The entire planet is in travel distance for the RDA! They've been exploiting this rock for 70 years!

>>203465 The only ones you really need is Sonic Adventure (Getting fucktons of resources somehow and building at Sonic speed, plus genetics/robotics knowledge on par with Gerald/Eggman) and Classic Sonic (Making copycat robots with full powers of the original, upscaling manufactury significantly easier). Maybe add Sonic OVA.

>>203470 Sounds like exactly who the local version of the cia would be befriending day 1 on this new planet. The scary raiders want guns and if they get them they will destabilize the area making it easy to kill off the survivors or sell them our weapons while we control the ammo? Well then thats just good business. Like how has this megacorp got worse strategic planning than modern cia. I would almost think they have morals of some kind for not using their resources effectively.

>>203460 I have a better idea

Are xenomorphs intelligent enough to be taught sorcery? And if the answer is "Some of them," can those that reproduce pass on information as a sort of genetic memory, or would each have to learn from scratch?

Is there anything else that gets you as angry as when a story relies on everyone involved acting like fucking idiots?

>>203476 The answer is a hack writer

>>203474 Reasons to scout the entire planet >might find more unobtainium >might find allies >might find something the locals want to trade unobtainium for >might find something that can wipe the locals for you >might find something else of value Reasons not to scout the entire planet >durr I'm a dumb greedy corpo who is smart when the plot needs me to be and dumb when the plot needs me to be.

>>203473 I dont think most titans really will care one way or the other. I just think the idea is funny since it will make everyone shit their pants then the rda can try to mine the hollow pandora. Plus there will probably be a giant turtle with an unobtanium shell that floats on antigravity pulses or some shiy.

Guys I think I joined the wrong side of the one year war. You said Zeon did nothing wrong.

>>203483 The colony drop was warranted, the innocents deserved it.

>>203479 Yes. When someone gets a job that they are not qualified for because they are friends with the boss. To the detriment of people that already work in the company.

>>203475 >Sonic OVA For as goofy as Robotnik was there, he had some pretty decent showings techwise, with his Mecha-Robotnik suit nearly letting him beat Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles. And Metal Sonic there was a monster. So it's a pretty good place to look.

>>203483 Sometimes to end a war you need to commit an atrocity so big that everyone is afraid to fuck with you. Unfortunately its very hard to hit the sweet spot and if you go one way or the other too far or not far enough you can get everyone to team up against you.

>>203483 The Titans proved that Zeon did nothing wrong. Whoever has the power has the right.

>>203418 This actually does have an answer. In Ash & Fire Pandora can produce aurora-esque flares that generate massive supre strong magnetic pulses that can catch multiple ships in the field and rip them apart. It's unknown if Eywa can generate these at will, but if she can, then it is in fact a pretty good answer to spacecraft. >>203476 The RDA joining up with the Mangkwan in 3 literally results in a twisted dependency on them being forced on the RDA that fucks them over in the climax. The relationship you're proposing canonically gets reversed on them once the Mangkwan get access to their stuff.

The evil megacorporation is the best villain for virtue-signalling, because it means the writers don't have to call out private banking.

>>203479 To be fair, it can be hilarious when the story actively acknowledges this. See Splatoon.

>>203486 And all that tech is bundled up nicely into one 600 pointer, nice!

>>203489 Yeah, that's stupid and wouldn't happen.

>>203430 That just shifts the blame from falling on humanity as a whole evenly (which wasn’t really my intended meaning), to mostly falling on the oligarchs and to a lesser extent the society conditioned to accept their domination. In either case, humanity isn’t in a position to course-correct on their own, and an external party invested in their prosperity is probably the best bet they have at this point.

>>203489 >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl4jcWiXYXM

>>203492 The fact they won the war because the Octotroopers were stupid enough to use a plug as their energy source, and the only reason the Inklings stopped it was because one Inkling wanted his tunes is absolutely hilarious.

Hello my nikkers. Also Shard, FES is up. I got Hina dressina, hoshino at the beach and Mika. Had to spark nagisa. because she's a bitch. Also some other randoms and wofseggs spooked me thrice.

>>203479 People bringing 'realism' or 'realistic' situations to inherently unrealistic situations or worlds. I'm not even talking about this, I'm talking about people who try to go 'HURR DURR MAGIC/SUPERPOWERS/PSYCHIC POWERS CAN'T DO THIS BECAUSE REALIIIIISM!' Changing the whole fucking story or worldbuilding because 'well, realistically-' Fuck you and your realism. I think one of my favorite examples, and one I think I mentioned on /jc/ before, was some dark/Sith Naruto fanfic where Naruto ridicules the idea of the Sage of Six Paths creating the Moon, going 'do you know how big the Moon is, it's not realistic!', ignoring how Star Wars and the Force, which the author wanks like crazy, have the saying of 'size matters not'. Almost immediately after this chapter, the manga confirmed the Sage did, in fact, create the Moon, and the story was abandoned and deleted not long after.

>>203489 History has already proven how stupid that idea is, the primitives dont have access to the stuff they want and giving them weapons to fight the others works almost every time, you just need to make sure you dont get shot with yoour own guns. Cameron making it magically not work this time is just more plot related stupid.

>>203479 Pointless meandering. I have no problem with characters being irrational but I don`t want a story to waste my time.

>>203498 Let's not forget that the Inklings were losing hard before the Octarians overextended their (literal) power supply lines, on account of refusing to get up early enough in the morning to fight a war.

>>203500 Sometimes realism doesnt matter, magic often makes it moot.

>>203495 Just stating what the media shows. Take it up with JC. >>203496 Yes, my entire argument has been that humanity as a whole isn't the problem so much as it is the RDA and big corpos who dominate the planet and have turned it into a barren corpse. If you can remove them and roturn the planet to viability, then you solve pretty much all issues.

>>203500 If the author was any good he could probably use this as a moment to show that naruto is not all-knowing and not always correct.

>>203499 Hello Ric fren

>>203499 Hello! May your rolls be good and your health better.

>>203504 All I can imagine is their brains being the bouncing DVD logo, they only get an idea once it hits the corner.

>>203496 What sort of reforms do you have in mind?

>>203507 But that's not true. Naruto is me, and I'm always correct!

>>203507 >Sith Naruto fic >If the author was good

>>203500 People who obsess over realism just aren't cut out for anything dependent on imagination.

>>203483 THEIR STUPID WAR GOT HALF OF FUCKING HUMANITY KILLED IN A YEAR, ZEEKFAG.

>>203511 They share the brain cell. They pass it between each other via headbutting

>>203514 I work off of "its not the concept, its the execution."

>Avatar 47 >Pandora has transformed into a planet sized spaceship in order to battle the RDA's space fleet >Humanity is wiped off the face of the galaxy >The Navi are the good guys still

>>203515 >T. raditionalist talking about Technocrats

>>203508 Hi WoL How was your day? >>203510 Hi anon! Nice to see you again.

>>203519 >Gunstar Avatarthonia

>>203520 Are they wrong, though?

>>203483 >When Zeon Zum Deikun, the leader of the Republic, became gravely ill in UC 0068, he mentioned only one name on his deathbed: "Degwin Zabi." The people of Side 3 took this to mean that Deikun was naming Degwin to succeed him as leader of the Republic in that year. After being appointed as the leader of the Republic of Zeon, Degwin Zabi adopted the title of Sodo, meaning "Lord," and was referred to from then on as Degwin Sodo Zabi. Seizing control of the government, Degwin maintained the only way for the colonies to be independent of the Earth Federation was for the Principality to fight (though in reality, Side 3 was already independent of Earth at that time). To this end, Degwin appointed his children into military and political offices and pushed for rapid development of military technology. Zeon did everything wrong after Deikun died, to an insane level

>>203522 Does this imply Earth is ruled by the Primordials and their Titanics?

>>203512 This varies extensively depending on whether I ultimately decide to try and mostly use in-setting means and means that could plausibly exist in said setting (i.e. stuff from Ghost In the Shell, Cyberpunk, etc etc), or just go all out with out-of-setting nonsense to facilitate my pet post-scarcity utopia rather than a plausible social structure. Is there a particular route you'd be interested in hearing about?

>>203160 Space whales are just a really cool concept to me. Anywhere I can go to grab some so I spread them across dimensions?

>>203521 Waited for 9anon to strim but he no showed. Watched RAW. Taking a break from jumpmaking until the new year and my presents have all gone through the thread without issue. Thanks for asking Ric. I hope things are improving for you.

In jjk I used a perk that makes me have gojo's power kit, so what is the best cursed tech I should get?

>>203528 >https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Purrgil

>>203528 Worm's space whales definitely would like spreading across new worlds and dimensions

>>203526 It would explain the RDA's self defeating autism.

>>203527 Go all out, the more plausible methods are probably less interesting.

>>203505 >Nooo, muh realism! It doesn't matter if they repeatedly violate the laws of physics as we know them and do impossible things, clearly there must be some limit or weakness I can exploit with my REALISTIC SOLUTIONS LIKE GUNS AND KNIVES AND ALL DARK OUTFITS! >>203507 I think the problem was that making Naruto NOT all-knowing at that point, at least in regards to the Naruto setting, would cut his legs out underneath him. Naruto HAD to be the big, bad, scary, all-knowing manipulator, because if he wasn't, he was just another bad guy, no different from anyone else. I think one of my favorite bits was that, when they go through a 'aww, poor baby Naruto was abused', A and Onoki both go 'okay, why should we care? He's not from our village, his current self is a dick, and we've seen worse'. >>203515 I think, at a certain point, it's just a matter of 'I'm smarter than everyone else but I can't think of a way to prove it so I'm just going to make everyone and everything else stupid'

>>203524 No, Technocrats are incredibly Banal because their Paradigm requires them to actively reject whimsy and wonder that isn't very specific sci-fi approved by Control. Unless you're the Void Engineers, but they're busy fighting The Technocracy But Worse in space (i.e. the Far Umbra).

>>203537 To be fair the alternative is sacrificing babies on blood alters to make it rain.

>>203534 >Quaritch, Chosen of Isidoros >>203539 Not true, you could just get really good at singing and dancing.

>>203181 >Beastars Wasn't that someone else?

>>203536 Generally when people speeg about realism they try to make explainations for the physics breaking stuff that fits their mental outlook. They think this makes it less magic somehow. It does not. Just because you can explain the trick doesnt make it any less of a trick.

>>203539 Only if you're one of those fringe Verbena sects. There's plenty of magic that doesn't require outright blood sacrifice. Now, if the Hermetics had gotten their heads out of their butts a bit sooner and helped establish that properly, maybe the Order of Reason wouldn't have gotten so trigger-happy that they lost sight of their own ideals. But here we are.

>>203539 You could also just punch good. Or dance. Or hack reality with code. Or fuck people.

>>203540 >>203543 >>203544 Forgive me if Im misremembering but arent most of those newer and/or offshoot branches of technocratic thought?

>>203546 >The sex tradition is technocratic Lol, lmao.

I'll be real with y'all, I fucking love blood sacrifice

>>203539 The Technocracy's equivalent is killing babies in drug trials. >B... but once we have the drug designed, we can reuse it forever! Disease mutation that means you need to keep inventing new drugs.

>>203536 >I think one of my favorite bits was that, when they go through a 'aww, poor baby Naruto was abused', A and Onoki both go 'okay, why should we care? He's not from our village, his current self is a dick, and we've seen worse'. This just convinces me more that the author wanted to show nart not being in the right 100% of the time. But hey you're the one who actually read the fic so I'll believe you.

>>203529 Good to hear mate.

>>203542 >just because you can explain the trick doesn't make it any less of a trick But it does eliminate explanations which only make sense to those who don't know the trick. Knowing that the Sun is just a star like any other and just happens to be the one we orbit sort of precludes it being a hole in reality through which divine essence rains upon the Earth, and knowing that nighttime exists because the part of the Earth you're standing on rotates away from the Sun for half the day sort of precludes the Sun God riding his mighty chariot or stately barque across the sky to bring his light to the world. Knowing germ theory and neurology sort of precludes humourism, and the Periodic Table supercedes the classical elements (though the states of matter sort of bring them back). Echoes work because of sound waves bouncing off of things, not a nymph cursed only to repeat whatever is said to her or a youkai dog that repeats whatever it hears. Culturally, we tend to associate the idea of "magic" with those old myths and legends that our current knowledge precludes. "Magic" is one of The Old Explanations That Only Make Sense If You Don't Know The Real Story, like babies coming from cabbage patches or being delivered by storks, or Santa Claus delivering presents to all the good boys and girls in the world from his sleigh pulled by eight flying reindeer on Christmas Eve, or sleep paralysis and wet dreams being the work of demons.

>>203557 >Santa Claus delivering presents to all the good boys and girls in the world from his sleigh pulled by eight flying reindeer on Christmas Eve Someone's getting coal in their stocking this year

>>203559 I don't even have a chimney, and St. Nicholas of Myra wouldn't like me anyway, seeing as I'm a filthy infidel.

>>203532 Oh right, those things that can just naturally hyperspace travel. Right up their with the slug people who can use the force to fucking teleport across the galaxy. >>203533 I may be easy to entice to letting ancient eldritch monstrosities loose, but even I know not to do that.

>>203514 I read one that was okay, ish. Then they left the planet and it went downhill fast.

I think Arknights is done but I keep feeling like I'm missing something. Anyways, how is this for a cover image?

>>203564 Good, much better than the cover image for my jump.

>>203564 Looks good to me at this size, but does it have enough pixels for the full cover page?

>>203564 I will impregnate all the cute girls, cute the magic cancer and bully doctor. Also yeah looks nice enough.

How viable is it to use Servant creation and Magecraft focused on Servants to go beyond expies and just straight summon characters from another anime?

Getting back to work on Dead Rising. Not going to have it done by Christmas for certain, but I can at least be hopefully complete by New Year's. >>203483 >You said Zeon did nothing wrong. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Seriously, you have to be blind to think they did nothing wrong. >>203488 It's strange to say that whoever has the power has the right to two factions, which, canonically, lost. >>203525 Pretty much this. Deikun was genuinely benevolent, and was basically on the way to easily win all the Sides to his cause. Then he died mysteriously and the one of the biggest and stupidest evil people in the setting took over, just so he could put his kids in nepo-positions, only to start a war he has a faction of a percent of winning by undermining his sides philosophy by killing a ridiculous amount of colonists. They then decided to throw an entire colony at Earth in an attempt to win a war they never should have started, then proceeding to MISS their target, which is surprisingly hard considering that they somehow didn't review the damage the colony sustained and recalculate its trajectory, before finally losing to the world's most improbably ace at the time while Deikun's son wiped out their leadership. Zeon left the realm of being right and into the realm of being absolutely stupid so quickly its not even funny. >>203557 Honestly, the real problem is people trying to take realism into things that, plainly, don't care to exhibit it. Toon Logic purely runs on the narrative of the story its in, but treating it like its some repeatable phenomenon is just as bad as those who insist it should be ignored. It makes sense for a character to be so strong and durable that he can do utterly ridiculous feats of durability, only to be knocked out cold by a kid in Toon Logic world, even though 'realism' would suggest either the durability should be absolute (invalidating the kid's feat) or it never was that strong (invalidating the old durability feats.) Sometimes, a character is going to be better or worse for a scene, and then that's it.

>>203566 I don't plan on having it cover the entire page, just something at the top.

>>203548 I may be getting it confused with the money making wallstreet wizards that alter the stock market by snorting coke off a hookers asscrack and making bids while they fuck which results in numbers go up. They fund all the technocracy.

>>203456 >Ooh-ee-ooh

>>203571 You are thinking of the Syndicate.

>>203573 I do like the ability to liquidate assets for magical power. Including people.

>>203456 Miku also appears in dropkick on my devil

>>203564 On this note, forgot to roll >Retconned Lesbianism and the Jobbers of Racism >CofD thingy 1 >CofD thingy 2 >WoD thingy 1 >Bad D&D idea >redundant Nep thing that came to me in a dream >the monkey's paw curls 1d7 = 1

>>203576 Somehow I knew exactly how this would go.

man you guys ever let your glasses get so dirty that it feels weird to look out of them when you finally do clean them To keep it on topic, is there a pair of glasses that stay clean (and unbroken) in a jump somewhere? In case I don't immediately wanna fix my vision. Or just need them for a disguise.

>>203568 It literally depends on where you're standing and the time of day. I'm exaggerating very little here, sometimes you can summon a Servant which is just something one guy made up in a timeline that never happened, and sometimes you can't summon someone because they technically never died. You might or might not be able to summon anyone or anything depending on where you do it and when you do it, because of seemingly irrelevant conceptual associations.

>>203576 What are any of these supposed to be?

>>203378 Reminder that Dragon Ball claims that time has a higher powerlevel than space

>>203568 Given the metaphysics of the setting not really viable at all. That is basically the domain of the second magic at that point.

>>203580 You'll find the answer to at least one of those in a few days, if I don't die before then.

>>203583 Anon, we're long past the point where the second magic matters. Anyone can travel dimensions, you just need to train your swordsmanship.

We've moved on from anything I know, back to lurking

>>203582 How?

Reddit did a fate/china jump, right? Has anyone looked at that and can tell me if it's typical reddit garbage or at least moderately passable?

>>203578 Glasses are actually a pretty rare item. Mostly they just serve to increase your reading speed, although there's computer glasses in Transmetropolitan that are pretty nice I think the only jump that offers glasses that serve as actual glasses is Encanto?

>>203588 >reddit garbage If you have to say it, then it probably isn't going to live up to your expectations.

>>203589 I guess I get it, most people would rather fix their vision.

>>203483 The Feddie posted a pointless wall of text. This is irrefutable proof of Zeon doing nothing wrong.

>>203578 Maybe go to Harry Potter? Vision is one of the few things magic can't fix and there are spells you can put on your glasses for stuff like making them unbreakable and making them repell different substances to be clean and so you can see in the rain.

>>203499 >Mika Argh, I’m jealous now. Every fucking time, EVERY TIME they do Final/Grand Assault with a heavy armor enemy it’s like “put 2 maxed pink gorillas on your team or know your place in the kiddie pool” Fug. I wanna roll but I’m right outside a buddhist temple in what I think is Kyoto so I dunno how reliable the signal is. >>203526 >It’s all just Autochthon and Gaia arguing whether metal or nature is better >One side keeps shooting itself in the foot but has a monopoly on space travel, the other side can do whatever the plot requires but only when everything and everyone is surrounded by forests

>>203535 I create a digital space the size of an office building running of an miscellaneous energy source I don't fully understand operating under basic Moon Cell OS, with me naturally having fully control and editing privileges over the system and its base code. I then do some coding to ensure that any human who ends up in that space has their body converted into a cyberframe and their consciousness split between a mind and a soul. I'll then connect this space to the Earth's molten core, using it as a power source to expand the digital space across the whole of the Earth's surface and atmosphere. With this done, I have unilaterally claimed control over the local physical and metaphysical laws, converted humans into immortal data-based lifeforms, and effectively dismantled every existing power structure on planet Earth. I will then give the surface a make-over, converting it into a digital version of the pre-industrial Earth's surface with wildlife, flora and fauna replicated as extremely basic non-sapient NPC-type AI. Every human will have baseline editing privileges over their own cyberframe and non-critical environmental functions, as well as their own assigned sub-dimensional domicile they can design to suit their own taste. Once everything is sorted I'll start constructing mana generators inside the digital space to fuel its expansion, till the space overlaps with the Sun, allowing me to hook it up to the digital space, expanding it to cover the whole solar system. Now, with that in place humans will largely be incapable of harming one another. Its hardwired into the digital space that lifeforms taged as "Persons" cannot cause permanent harm to one another unless they are themselves administrator AIs made by me who are there to handle maintence and resolve disputes when I can't be bothered to do it myself. That being said, while I'm sure most humans will be happy with a needless existence as what're functionally small-scale reality warpers with a whole solar system of space to play around with, I'm sure some will crave the physicality of fleeting material existence. So I'll construct a variety of drones who can gather dust and random debris outside the solar system to construct extra-solar manufactories to construct mechanical bodies externally and tactically indistinguishable from ordinary human bodies, excepting superhuman attributes. Digitized humans will be able to either download themselves into these bodies, or project their consciousness into them while keeping their cyberframe in the Digital Solar System. Either way, they can then take these bodies and the space-ships I'll construct for them to explore the universe via use of Imaginary Number Space as a hypserspace equivalent. Since non-digital resources are still prone to functional scarcity though, doing so comes with certain obligations to me, such as needing to scout designated locations, complete basic tasks, and do general busywork for me. One of the projects will be to construct some dyson spheres and power-relays to transfer the power into the Digital Solar System to fuel more toys for my pet humans so we can fill out all that empty space we have.

>>203483 Bruh, Zeon started a war against the Earth Federation under the pretense of fighting for Spacenoid rights and their opening movement was to launch a suprise attack that completely destroyed Sides 1, 2 and 4, murdering with chemical warfare millions of fellow Spacenoid civilians that didn't want to subjugate to them and join their chimpout. Their second and third moves were Operation British and carpet bombing Federation forces with nuclear weaponry until the Treaty of Antarctica. When they got their teeth kicked in they came back three years later with another army and ready to repeat Operation British, the greatest disaster in the history of humanity. Then they got their teeth kicked in they came back three years later with another army and ready to repeat Operation British again. Then they got their teeth kicked in they came back three years later with another army and ready to repeat Operation British again. And that is the greatest issue with the Universal Century. No matter how much Tomino says this is a conflict between two shades of gray, no matter how much sequels paint the Federation as corrupt scumbags, no matter how much later series try to act like Zeon are honorable freedom fighters while ignoring all the bullshit they do, no matter how much Zeon fans cry about Zeon doing nothing wrong, the root of the conflict is as good vs evil as it gets. Every proud soldier of Zeon and habitant of Side 3 is a subhuman piece of garbage that should be executed before the One Year War for the safety and betterment of mankind.

>>203569 EVEN CHAR ADMITTED ZEON DID EVERYTHING WRONG BY GQUUUUUUUUUUX FUCKING CHAR HE ENDED UP IN A TIMELINE WHERE ZEON FUCKING WON BECAUSE HE FORGOT TO TAKE HIS WHORE OUT OF THE BROTHEL BEFORE SHE DEVELOPED THE REALITY-WARPING POWER ALL NEWTYPES APPARENTLY GROW INTO EVENTUALLY, AND HE FUCKING HATES IT

>>203593 ...huh, I didn't think of that but that actually works out decently well Here's a cute Espeon as thanks

>>203597 Sounds like we're going to get a GQuacks jump.

>>203597 Yeah, but Char hates everything.

>>203483 I want to provide the full clip your image comes from so that people have more context just how fucking insane the claim that Zeon did nothing wrong is >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlJ5j-hSUmQ Note: Shortly after this, this man kills the leader of Zeon, his own father, and then is murdered by his sister.

>>203585 I mean, the thing to keep in mind is that True Magic is only True Magic in the context of the Human Order. The Planet just naturally makes the equivalent of Materialized Souls by default (re Elementals/Fairies), and sufficiently buff phantasmals and gods can travel between textures and parallel worlds with some effort.

>>203603 You can also just have Musashi’s Heavenly Eyes or Sasaki Kojiro’s…whatever, and randomly noclip through timelines.

>>203591 Yep. There's a few jumps with iconic item style items that can be used to get glasses though, like the Matthew Reilly Universe, The Silmarillion, or Nechronica

>>203592 ...Not really a Feddie either. I'm part of the "Zeon needs to lose, but we need to conveniently kill all of the future assholes" camp whenever I jump into Gundam for a reason. >>203596 The shades of gray are as follows: The Feddies are corrupt assholes Zeon are EVIL corrupt assholes. And all the shades of White are just fighting to survive. Universal Century really needs, like, two or three generations where no one can do stupid shit and/or create Artificial newtypes. Hopefully, the amount of Newtypes eventually causes people to be less stupid, but such is life. >>203597 Char just needs help. He's fucking miserable, and everything he likes gets fucked over.

>>203604 Sasaki utilizes an aspect of the Second. And Musashi naturally generates a Singularity around her (pls ignore how this contradicts the new lore around Singularities not existing as concept before Marisbury did his thing) which allows her to do silly stuff like that...I think. I might be mixing up cause and effects with Musashi.

>>203604 Shard, I have a sincere question. Your post has brought to mind this question, which is making me angry. Have we seriously reached the point where Magi can create perpetual motion machines, before figuring out how to give average people psychic powers or create the better forms of mystic eyes?

>>203604 You're forgetting that the Heavenly Eyes are just something the planet gave Musashi to justify and cope about how bullshit her swordsmanship actually is.

>>203609 Moosashi.

>>203606 >Hopefully, the amount of Newtypes eventually causes people to be less stupid, but such is life. It literally won't because UC is the past of Turn A. Eventually technology became so advance that everyone was yeeting WMDs at each other until someone decided that the only way to stop humanity exterminating itself was to get rid of all their toys and made the Moonlight Butterfly to reset them back to the stone age by deleting all technology. Then humanity worked its way back to yeeting WMDs at each other and the Moonlight Butterfly was activated againt. This loop has been repeated for eons. UC is a timeline fucking cursed to perpetual war and bloodshed.

>>203611 At least we got some Mongolian throat singing in the end. TURN A TURN.

>>203603 If you get Spiritron Hacking in Extra/CCC/Extella can't you just learn Heaven's Feel? Spiritron Hacking is magecraft+ and Heaven's Feel got demoted to magecraft in that story.

>>203611 Technically, we have no idea if the UC is the past of Turn A. It is only one of many timelines which might lead into it, but it doesn't explicitly do so, so there is hope to unstupid the world of UC Gundam.

>>203614 The closer you get to Victory the less likely it becomes without some out of context intervention. By Victory a good portion of the Newtypes have already given up on humanity and decided to fuck off (Thanks Judau!).

>>203613 Code Casts are basically baby's introduction to the Age of Will (i.e. Code Casts is just magecraft-type effects via math and computer coding. Full Age of Will will probably be what Flat does, except instead of making up Thaumaturgical Foundations on the fly, it'll be making up Common Sense(s) on the fly), so while you're not picking up Heaven's Feel as magecraft (because Magecraft is deader than a doornail), you can use Code Casts to BS through the heavy equipment you'd need to conventional science your way through it. Just keep in mind that in the process of being integrated into the Common Sense of Man, the Third Magic seems to have lost the 'Perpetual Motion Machine' aspect. This though makes sense, because the Common Sense of Man still includes thermodynamics as we understand it, so a perpetual motion machine would be impossible. Theoretically if you could convince humanity as a whole that thermodynamics is wrong you might be able to get that back, but, uh...good luck.

>>203616 So bring an ocp perpetual motion machine and basically hand it out to everyone, making Code Casting great again.

>>203616 >This though makes sense, because the Common Sense of Man still includes thermodynamics as we understand it, so a perpetual motion machine would be impossible. The fact this contrasts starkly with Maris Chaldea's infinite energy universe overwriting bullshit fills me with an anger that I can barely put into words.

>>203616 All you need to do is introduce some super science power source from a different setting and integrated it into the common understanding of science.

>>203615 Definitely. Like many things, unfucking a setting begins decades before shit gets to a certain point. If you are at the point where Zanscare are the primary threat, you probably didn't do enough to fix the situation. Hell, you probably are in trouble if Neo Zeon gets as big as it did. I do (vaguely, mind you, it's been a while) recall that the point where canonically the UC got fucked was when Kamille went insane. At least at that point Char though humanity was doomed. >>203616 >Theoretically if you could convince humanity as a whole that thermodynamics is wrong, you might be able to get that back, but, uh...good luck. I mean, that's the whole deal with Maxwell's Demon in Fate, isn't it? If someone shows evidence it works, then suddenly it stops needing magic. >>203619 Hell, go to Fine Structure. You can outright just make zero-point energy a thing in every universe with the right purchase there.

>>203595 Looks like a good plan, though I’m sure some people, chief among them the previously powerful, will try everything in their power to obtain admin privileges. The fact that only admin AI’s can have admin privileges will be taken as a smokescreen meant to distract them from the ultimate power that is surely just around the corner. If I read everything right, this is basically all built off of the Moon Cell design? >Since non-digital resources are still prone to functional scarcity though Finding a way to convert digital resources into physical resources seems like an important step.

>>203608 Yes, with the caveat that there are a lot of “Perpetual machine BUT needs X startup costs and Y plot device magecraft/Atlas stuff to actually get off the ground” disclaimers attached to them.

>>203616 Full Age of Will is apparently just the Servantverse. At least, it’s one example of it.

>>203617 Yeah, that'd work. I was mostly going off the assumption that you're going with in-setting means. >>203618 Marisbury seems to be using weird voodoo-esque loopholes in the way the universe works to trick the universe into resetting itself to work how he wants it to work...somehow. ....to be honest, this was kinda foreshadowed by the Servantverse. Since that was also the Universe just spontaneously changing the physical and metaphysical laws of a galaxy to suit humanity when it was fleeing from Earth (and probably a victorious Kiara). >>203623 Servantverse seems to be kinda like the Universe giving humanity the consolation prize of the bare minimum of the Age of Will 'cause they got evicted to space early, but I'll admit that that might just be how the Age of Will always comes about, with the specifics varying.

>>203622 Nta but technically all magic circuits are perpetual motion machines. Like they just keep generating live energy by themselves at no cost to the user, typically at a very slow pace(barring outliers like Trambelio or Dragon), with them in rare cases even just continuing to act as power source after the death of the user. Hell you can just have a bag full of Mystic Eyes(which are mutated magic circuits) and use them as replenishing source of power for yourself.

>>203598 cute friend

>>203620 >I mean, that's the whole deal with Maxwell's Demon in Fate, isn't it? If someone shows evidence it works, then suddenly it stops needing magic. I think it kinda depends on various factors. Like, Babbage could show that his steam stuff worked, as much as Edison and Tesla could anyway. People just listened to Edison and Tesla more so we got everything running on electricity instead of steampunk stuff. We're not really given specifics on what the conditions are to be accepted by the Common Sense. But they exist, presumptively.

>>203264 >Also on a happier note I’m pleased to say I’ve finished all the metahuman perks for Mortasheen! Just got to do monsters now aaaaaa Yippee- >Olga is literally stuck in Maris’ physical structure like a figurehead on a ship. It has become more blatant than ever that Olga is just Rin, Sakura and Ilya fused awkwardly into one character Ah so she’s worse girl, meanwhile my beloved Voyager was stripped of all purpose ever since RootGPT Beast 7 created Lostbelt 0. His summoning was probably so easy/possible in the 1st place due to the fact that there’s nothing outside of Earth… Out of all the beasts, leave it to the final one to be completely incompatible with my jumper’s goals, who carries around an entire team of space craft servants while also being the damn ISS at one point. Insanity. >>203483 ZEON KILLED MY WIFE & RUINED MY BELOVED GP02, I NEED THESE NIGGAS GONE!!!

>>203421 Thinking on it I think it's actually a QQ jump and in their non-lewd series folder. It's based on one of the avatar games, the one where the RDA figured out how to make a mind control device that could hook into Ewya and let them control the entire planetary consciousness. >>203568 >pic Man, Himmel was awesome. >>203588 Iirc most of it is actually the stuff Val made and posted in thread and the rest of it is stuff made by the person that actually finished it. So either way your mileage may vary.

Die Hard is about an overworked guy going to his wife's hometown to reconnect with her. It's not just a Christmas movie. It's a Hallmark Christmas movie. This post is shamelessly stolen from a comment on a Civvie's newest vid for shitposting purposes.

>>203624 >Marisbury seems to be using weird voodoo-esque loopholes in the way the universe works to trick the universe into resetting itself to work how he wants it to work...somehow. Which shouldn't work, because nothing else in the nasuverse has ever worked in this way before. Magecraft doesn't work like that, the universe itself doesn't work like that. Shard really should have emphasized harder how much weight 'plot device magecraft' is doing, because it is more of a plot device than anything has ever been to date. I was so fucking pissed off about this that I spent all day at work today theory crafting how to make sense of Marisbury's bullshit magecraft doing this, and the only conclusion I came up with after 9 hours was that it might be okay if it were somehow based off the Velber/Umbral Star. After all, the White Giant fought and defeated the Greek Pantheon in a time that might technically count as 'before the Age of Gods', and it left behind a corpse that warped Karl the Great's mind. What if the mystery that was passed down by Solomon was derived from the remains of the Velber? But then I realized this was too coherent an explanation for Nasu to use, and I got mad again.

>>203620 Char was looking for something to validate his existing beliefs, I think by the time the One Year War ended the snowball had already started rolling and no one was big enough to stop it. Arguably Char made a choice, but if you consider just how many lunatics there were even before him, if it wasn't going to be him, it would be someone else like Paptimus. >>203629 Mama Cima needs to be rescued and given a home. All she wanted was a home.

>>203631 based

>>203625 Souls in Fate are just innately sources of infinite energy it's why the Third Magic is considered overpowered despite "only" materialising the soul into a physical substance.

>>203635 >Supernatural souls dethroned as best immoral energy source

>>203631 >It's a Hallmark Christmas movie That statement is evil but I can’t refute it… >>203633 >Mama Cima needs to be rescued and given a home. All she wanted was a home. I like to believe that one Gundam game that lets Cima survive is canon as a form of closure, even if her going towards the Jupiter sphere doesn’t bode the best of implications.

>>203635 We're talking about magic circuits, not souls. Souls don't produce magical energy, they're made out of magical energy, a very quantifiable/limited amount even. They only get unlimited magical energy when materialized since you then have basically an indestructible self sustaining clump of magical energy. Magic circuits are different, they're essentially magical nerves that by themselves produce energy, even if no soul is present(as seen with mystic eyes which continue to produce magical energy even if separated from the body)

>>203639 An Elizabeth Authority would have helped stop Moneybills

>>203640 That's for FGO2.

Okay, finally caught up to all the FGO shenanigans being mentioned in the last few threads. I take the best option from a chain perspective is to time travel and absolutely wreck Marisbury's plan in the past before his simulation ramps up has some severe flaw I am not seeing?

>>203642 As far as I can tell, no. It just puts you back in the normal Fate timeline.

>>203639 >implying I interact with Fate enough to have a defined favorite Servant All I know is the quiz said I'd get Osakabehime.

>>203643 I mean, that seems like an improvement compared to FGO, I'd take it.

>>203642 No, the best option from a chain perspective is to let one of the Lostbelts win, because ironically CHALDEAS' entire plan hinges on the improbably chance you somehow prevent ORT from eating it.

>>203639 I like the Valkyries, they're cute, extremely obedient, can be manifested in larger numbers(up to 10) and got neat abilities like being able to coordinate telepathically, fly at high speed, have powerful magic resistance, can negate all but the strongest physical attacks, can negate an mental interference, can't get far no matter how much they eat, can use powerful rune magic, wield indestructible shields and some powerful gungnir replicas they can throw for added effects.

>>203621 >Looks like a good plan, though I’m sure some people, chief among them the previously powerful, will try everything in their power to obtain admin privileges. The fact that only admin AI’s can have admin privileges will be taken as a smokescreen meant to distract them from the ultimate power that is surely just around the corner. The fact that I can make them (effectively) immortal gods and they still covet more is really an indictment on their selfish natures, but if that's how they want to spend their time that's their right. Not that there's anything for them to find, and if they do despite that they're getting squished. >If I read everything right, this is basically all built off of the Moon Cell design? Modded here and there, but yeah, all the Digital System stuff is running on the Moon Cell's OS. I'll probably transmute one of the rocky planets (before its absorbed into the Digital System) into a mass of photonic crystals to serve as a processing center, since running a digital World purely on digital processing equipment inside that world seems like a potentially dangerous situation for reasons I can't quite put into words. Perk or no Perk, I don't quite trust that. >Finding a way to convert digital resources into physical resources seems like an important step. It's more than possible, but converting energy into actual, normal matter (rather than ether or spiritrons being forced to behave as normal matter) is kinda expensive, and I don't want to risk cutting into the power keeping the Digital System extant by diverting the Sun's power towards that if I don't have to. Which is also why I want to built dyson spheres around other stars. More spare power to use in and out of the Digital System I'm making. I can also just give Independent Action EX install skills to people so they can wander out of the Digital System in their cyberframes, but I'm hesitant to do that without putting people through survival courses. I'd expect way too many people to kill themselves through overtaxing their energy reserves and cutting into essential functions.

Going to have to hit the hay soon. Hopefully can push a bit more work in before I go to bed. >>203646 Somehow, I feel like this is just delaying acting until you have to let a far more extreme action go through as opposed to dealing with it easier sooner. Unless I am missing something, that just time-travelling to ruin his plan early is not covering.

>>203639 I love my Voyager. But I favored Sieg for a reason wretched dragon. >>203642 If you destroy it before & make SURE that his path to building CHALDEAS is impossible, he’ll revert back to the jaded washout he is like in every other timeline. It MUST be before.

>>203649 You're missing the fact that if you break CHALDEAS, the lostbelt it's sustaining(the one you're in), is instantly pruned and you cease to exist. So you need to create another Lostbelt/Lostworld to escape on.

>>203651 I mean, if you're immune to paradox that is fine.

>>203650 Good to know, timing is always important with these things. I guess I can go and break his knees afterward for good measure. >>203651 OPUS got me covered on that. Immune to being erased from realities is a huge plus you can get there.

>>203629 >RUINED MY BELOVED GP02, It died happy, loved and fulfilling its purpose

It's been almost thirty threads since I've been here. I've been busy irl. I'm actually ashamed to release this jump. It's far from my best work. I kept on putting it off and feeling ashamed of that. I just want to get it out of the way to focus on other docs. Without further ado, here's the Invisible Man jump. Two of them, actually. One of them has invisible text. I thought it'd be funny. I did not enjoy making this jump, and am ashamed that this is the only thing I've put out since august because I've been busy. Real life's more important, but still. >>203631 To be fair John kind of blows his relationship by the third movie. What's your favorite Die Hard, by the way? I think the first four were pretty good but the fifth one kind of blew it. If I had to say it'd be between 1 and 2. That stunt with the lighter and the Boeing in 2 was awesome. >>203626 Hi WoL, release any jumps lately? Hope you're enjoying your holidays.

>>203654 It was manhandled by a flippant bastard & discarded like an empty bag of chips. Then it’s existence was covered up alongside it’s siblings, leaving it forever forgotten!

>>203655 Hey man, sometimes we get in our heads and can't see the forest for the trees. All we notice in our jumps are the imperfections. Sometimes just throwing it out is the best thing to do.

>>203655 Huh, neat. Sucks to hear you've been busy. ... Is one of those other docs the Dispatch jump you mentioned you were doing on reddit?

>>203655 It's an okay jump. A bit low on the content, admittedly, but there isn't a lot to work with using just the original story. I presume you didn't want to go into other adaptations just to draw more water from the stone. At least you got it done. What matters is that you learn from what you made and take the lessons to the next jump.

If someone who was enslaved to another sinner with a contract in Hazbin got redeemed is the sinner just screwed now? It's not like they can reach them.

>>203655 Is the invisibility something that can be turned off post-jump?

>>203655 >Researcher (Drop-In) Presumably you meant that you can take this origin as a drop-in optionally, but you forgot to actually say that.

>>203648 >The fact that I can make them (effectively) immortal gods and they still covet more is really an indictment on their selfish natures, but if that's how they want to spend their time that's their right. Not that there's anything for them to find, and if they do despite that they're getting squished. To a person driven by greed, there will never be enough. >Modded here and there, but yeah, all the Digital System stuff is running on the Moon Cell's OS. Good to know. What jumps would you suggest if I wanted to set up my own version? A magitech dimension could prove useful. >since running a digital World purely on digital processing equipment inside that world seems like a potentially dangerous situation for reasons I can't quite put into words. You’re the expert here, but that seems like the best place for them. Keep the servers in the physical world and you risk them getting damaged, put them in the digital world and you have the ultimate form of access control. >It's more than possible, but converting energy into actual, normal matter (rather than ether or spiritrons being forced to behave as normal matter) is kinda expensive, and I don't want to risk cutting into the power keeping the Digital System extant by diverting the Sun's power towards that if I don't have to. Sounds like you need to break physics even harder, and run your digital world off of power generators within the digital world itself. Then you can convert digital matter into physical matter all you want.

>>203655 The last jump I released was Digimon Rumble Arena, my 100th jump. I will have presents to give on Christmas and NYE.

>>203657 >>203658 >>203659 Thanks. It did get me to watch the 1933 movie, which was good. As for Dispatch, yeah, probably. I've got that in mind. I do have some regrets about that, but I think I'll write it out. I read over the other Dispatch jump. I'll probably replay it for the other route and writhe the thing out (Blazer vs. Invisigal was not a hard choice for me). obligatory oh no I've been exposed /s >>203661 Yeah, definitely. It'd suck to saddle the Jumper with Griffin's shitty form of invisibility for the entire chain. >>203662 Yeah, sorry. My apologies. >>203664 Good to hear.

>>203665 Most people pick Invisigal. You barely get much BB before you are asked for a route. I enjoyed Dispatch a lot, so a jump will be nice. Thanks for your efforts.

>>203655 Thanks for the jump! Will take a look at it tomorrow after I wake up.

>>203666 I picked Blonde Blazer, actually (but I'm not going to insult Visi enjoyers, Visi is cool). At the time, I was thinking "woman who saved Robert from thugs vs. woman who punched Robert in the face. Wow, what a hard decision." To be fair, Robert was being a dick to Visi over a failed shift and I think he had it coming a little, but still. I made sure to look out for Visi when the Z-team wanted to kick her and chose all the options to trust her. I felt that one of Dispatch's biggest themes is redemption, and I couldn't bring myself to turn my back on someone trying so hard to better herself.

>>203655 I clicked on the invisible version hoping it would be completely blank or invisitext, and seeing it completely blank pleased my monkey brain. I need not look at the actual doc, I am satisfied.

>>203668 I can't remember exactly when things happen and on which, and I don't want to spoil, but good luck with your jumpmaking.

>>203663 >Good to know. What jumps would you suggest if I wanted to set up my own version? Fate/Extra CCC has pretty much everything you need, some assembly required. Though ironically Tsukihime’s alchemist line also has some useful stuff considering Dust of Osiris’s plan is to make humanity into a giant philosopher’s stone based supercomputer similar to the Moon Cell, but as an everlasting monument to Human History. >You’re the expert here, but that seems like the best place for them. Keep the servers in the physical world and you risk them getting damaged, put them in the digital world and you have the ultimate form of access control. The physical version will if nothing else be a backup so someone can’t just come in with an Ea-alike and pop the World like a soap bubble. Probably keep it in a pocket dimension rather than real-space though. >Sounds like you need to break physics even harder, and run your digital world off of power generators within the digital world itself. Then you can convert digital matter into physical matter all you want. That’s possible, though there’ll still be limits to how fast the power supply can grow due to digital matter still needs energy to be materialized from.

>>203660 I'd assume any contracts they'd have would get annulled upon redemption to keep any Hell influence from lingering, but who fucking knows with Vivzie.

>>203646 Letting any of the Lostbelts win just helps CHALDEAS. And the fact of the matter is that ORT beating Maris relies on the idea that it can force it into being 'just' an artificial Root by destroying the original model Fantasy Trees. And this is ignoring that the raid will /proooobably/ have some bullshit that will completely invalidate an ORT run anyway.

>>203673 I mean, we do have Nasu stating in the record that Wodime’s plan would work, so you could take that to mean that god-machine humanity would’ve figured out a way to annul Marisbury's plan.

>>203670 Sorry for bugging you about Yugioh once again but a thought occurred. Can the Graveyard Slot Machine in Duelist of Roses bypass Card Availability Rules in Yugioh Anime and does it work through duelist simulacrums in Hall of Eternity to double dip on rewards or to gain rewards for their base deck?

>>203594 >>203594 >Fug. I wanna roll but I’m right outside a buddhist temple in what I think is Kyoto so I dunno how reliable the signal is. Pray for my financial success pls. This sickness left my economy in shambles

>>203674 Nasu is also notorious for saying random shit in interviews then doing something entirely different. I'm not entirely willing to dismiss his word, but the man loves fucking with people. I think he kinda lost the right to say "Wodime & Daybit are right actually" after he asspulled "Marisbury has created RootGPT and it's completely destroyed the entire external universe beyond Earth and its going to be the new OS for all existence if Chaldea doesn't stop his reality overwrite scheme" outta nowhere.

>>203673 >Letting any of the Lostbelts win just helps CHALDEAS No it doesn't, CHALDEAS depends on every Lostbelt being destroyed in order for it to achieve it's next stage. If any of them had survived, Maris Chaldeas would simply fail to manifest by default. You are simply wrong about Maris Chaldeas, ORT would have casually destroyed it at any point before it's full power and if we're being honest, which I am giving you as much credit as I can here, ORT would still win even now. You're gonna call it shitposting, you're gonna cry about it and take things out of context, but it's true that ORT would simply become Maris Chaldeas but stronger instantaneously.

...do Saiyans get a Zenkai Boost if they die and get revived?

>>203677 You don't get to pick and choose the Word of God statements you want to be true.

>>203678 >ORT would still win even now. Based on? Genuinely curious - I'm willing to hear out how you're gonna justify this.

>>203679 No.

>>203679 They get to train with King Kai if they ask nicely.

>>203679 No, only getting near death gives them the boost, if you just die there's nothing to recover from

>>203675 It's not a bother, I'm happy people are enjoying my jumps. So first, the Card Availability Rules of Duel Monsters (Anime) apply strictly to the Deck Builder section of that jump. They wouldn't impact other means of acquiring cards, such as the GRAVEYARDs SLOT MACHINE from The Duelists of the Roses. GRAVEYARDs SLOT MACHINE has its own rules on cards that will never appear via it. Second, yes dueling simulacrums be it via Hall of Eternity or other sources would count for duels to trigger GRAVEYARDs SLOT MACHINE, so long as they are legitimate duels. Third, you would gain rewards via both sources at once, but each as stated in those items, not doubling up on one item's reward structure.

>>203677 I mean, a core part of Wodime’s plan is that while he can’t see a way to beat the Alien God (Marisbury-Chaldeas), he’s confident the newly divine humanity will be able to use their transcendental perspective and human ingenuity to see what he can’t and do it. If the plan works, then by nature the divine humanity would see however Chaldea is going to do its thing and probably replicate it, or do better.

>>203687 I don't think "dude, just trust me bro" is something we can rely on in Fate, is the thing. This is more or less the exact same logic that has people saying it's impossible to evade Gae Bolg.

>>203671 >Fate/Extra CCC has pretty much everything you need, some assembly required. Noted. >Though ironically Tsukihime’s alchemist line also has some useful stuff considering Dust of Osiris’s plan is to make humanity into a giant philosopher’s stone based supercomputer similar to the Moon Cell, but as an everlasting monument to Human History. I do remember thinking that the alchemist perkline in Tsukihime was very good. >The physical version will if nothing else be a backup so someone can’t just come in with an Ea-alike and pop the World like a soap bubble. The risk of such a thing happening certainly isn’t zero, but I’d imagine things capable of such an effect are fairly rare even in Fate. Now I’m wondering if it would be possible to divide the areas of the digital world up and reinforce them to prevent an anti-world effect from being able to hit the whole thing all at once. >That’s possible, though there’ll still be limits to how fast the power supply can grow due to digital matter still needs energy to be materialized from. My thinking was you could take advantage of it being a digital world to program the power generators to run without fuel, but maybe Nasu logic about entropy says that wouldn’t work.

>>203688 Gae Bolg as it’s introduced was given the explanation of how it’s avoided. Nasu didn’t immediately contradict his statement that Wodime’s plan would just work as he said it would. And to be blunt, the machine-god humanity would also benefit from the “built different” type of authorial favoritism as Marsbars does.

How hard would it be to use the Moon Cell to pull-off your own Artificial Root scheme?

>>203686 Thanks! Currently the only cards I am assuming Graveyard Slot machine can't get in these jumps are like. Egyptian God Cards, Orichalcos, Pyramid of Light (putting aside you wouldn't encounter that naturally anyways) and Hermos, Critias and Timias. But Toon World and Blue Eyes I think are fair game. The Legendary Planet Cards in Yugioh GX and the Signer Dragons in 5ds are a bit of a gray area.

>>203681 Based on all of the things ORT is actually described to be capable of and all of the things Maris Chaldeas has been described to be capable of so far. While you like to point at CHALDEAS being an artificial root as something that can outbiggaton anything, it achieved that because of a combination of Mystery and technology, and it still has vulnerable parts. However, that isn't the crux of my argument. Honestly, ORT is just fucking absurdly fast. It is retardedly, unbelievably fast. It is so fucking fast that even effectively stopping time doesn't really even hinder its movements. It has a level of intelligence like a post-singularity AI and modularity that I would compare to a grey goo swarm. It can just look at Maris Chaldea and understand how it works, because Maris Chaldea is hardly incomprehensible. It's a World, and what its doing is similar to a Reality Marble or ORT's own Crystal Valley. As soon as it identifies the threat in front of it, ORT will begin to learn from it. And Maris Chaldea isn't fast. For all that Maris Chaldea has incredible, ridiculous scope, it doesn't have hyper adaptability. It's bag of tricks is large, but finite. It can't just add new powers to its arsenal whenever it feels the need, it needs a lot of time to ramp up. And, honestly, it's probably not perfectly designed as a piece of technological artifice. ORT could, if nothing else, simply identify every weakpoint and hit them really hard, really fast. And let's not pretend that this won't ultimately be resolved by the Last Master and his Servants. Olga will probably sacrifice herself to cripple Maris Chaldea or something and I'm sure it will be very dramatic, but come on, I remember you saying Servants were literally irrelevant to F/GO a few threads ago. Do you think ORT will perform worse than the protagonist and his Servants, who will inevitably win because that's the kind of story F/GO is?

>>203681 On top of everything else, it turns out Maris’ default attack to get rid of people she deems “unreasonable” is supernovas rivalling the bands of light in Goetia’s AAS fired from the Fantasy Trees. As in, radiation. As in, the thing that literally gives ORT life. Flauros alone was able to grab a bunch of them and compress them into a bomb he blew himself up with to make summoning Servants possible again. God knows what ORT would be able to do with that kind of energy considering it’s crawling and rotation alone supplied most of the energy it used to do everything in LB7.

>>203692 I don't want to hard rule on this, especially in relation to other jumps, but I think it also depends on the nature of the card you are encountering. Anime Signer Dragons are special and have a specific purpose in the setting, so it is likely a no. But if you were to go to a hypothetical Tag Force 3 jump, then that version of Stardust Dragon might be valid because it is just a ordinary card in that game, even if it is pretty good for the time period.

>>203689 >Now I’m wondering if it would be possible to divide the areas of the digital world up and reinforce them to prevent an anti-world effect from being able to hit the whole thing all at once. I’m pretty sure the Moon Cell does that by default. Different areas are their own pseudo-reality marbles or multiple ones brought together. >My thinking was you could take advantage of it being a digital world to program the power generators to run without fuel, but maybe Nasu logic about entropy says that wouldn’t work. You can do that, but to make the generators in the first place you need the energy to compose them, since everything in a digital world is made out of data/information, which as we know in Nasu is another form of energy. And the Moon Cell seems to be able to just Math more energy into existence. And certain perk and origin combos in CCC basically make you a walking Moon Cell. Just need to collect enough data to grow big enough to fill out your theoretically endless memory and thereby turn it into processing power.

>>203689 Look into the Digital Web from Mage the Ascension. It has sector crashes and other fun stuff.

>>203691 Isn't it already basically one?

>>203695 That makes sense. Probably fair to say the Legendary Planets and the Signer Dragons are off the table at least in their introductory media.

>>203698 Kinda but not really. It’s only cataloguing Earth and to a lesser extent the Solar System, and it doesn’t function as the source and destination of all souls, energy and matter.

>>203696 I'll create my own harem of thousands of BB-chan clones. Each one more racist than the last.

>>203681 But I will take it one step farther. You have repeatedly focused on the notion that Maris Chaldeas being an artificial Root is the be all end all in the debate of is powers, but let's closely examine what that means in effect. Because of the way this artificial Root is constructed, it can produce all manner of phenomena accordingly to their surface level appearances. It contains the information of a world, forward and backward in time, but it is a shallow, skin deep simulation. And it is a construct of magecraft, though Ideal Magecraft with access to all of the magical energy of the stars. ORT learned how to hack the Throne of Heroes after playing with its food for a while. Do you think it couldn't hack an artificial Root, hijack the magecraft foundation Marisbury built it on in the first place? That it couldn't figure out more of what the Animusphere family did in generations in an instant, itself simulating millions of years of growth and development? How far does CHALDEAS look into the future again, a hundred years?

>>203656 >It was manhandled by a flippant bastard & discarded like an empty bag of chips. Then it’s existence was covered up alongside it’s siblings, leaving it forever forgotten! It was going to be forgotten anyway, It was destined to be sealed underground after testing forever, collecting dust. It died happier than it could have ever known. Zeon or Federation, it didn't matter as long as it could actually live

>>203696 >I’m pretty sure the Moon Cell does that by default. Different areas are their own pseudo-reality marbles or multiple ones brought together. That could be the approach then. Put the servers in a deeper world and restrict who can enter it. Someone could still try to force their way in, but at that point one should have a plan for what to do. >You can do that, but to make the generators in the first place you need the energy to compose them, since everything in a digital world is made out of data/information, which as we know in Nasu is another form of energy. Makes sense. >And the Moon Cell seems to be able to just Math more energy into existence. That could be a good approach. >And certain perk and origin combos in CCC basically make you a walking Moon Cell. Records And Matrixes and Recorded Universe, I presume? On that note, it looks like Virtual Environments is what I want for setting up a digital world, but what about building a full Moon Cell? Would that be Virtual Environments and the alchemist perkline in Tsukihime? >Just need to collect enough data to grow big enough to fill out your theoretically endless memory and thereby turn it into processing power. I suppose the combo there is to observe things, turn that into processing power, and use that processing power to push your ability to observe things further.

>>203460 I too wish to introduce a third faction, but in this case I want to be a competitor who does human trying to claim Pandora's resources (and fix earth) in a less idiotic way. It helps that I can just collect samples and replicate the resources endlessly with Eclipse Phase tech. Lets see the RDA compete with proper fabrication or the Blue Cats compete with a functionally infinite supply of heavily armed spiderbots.

>>203627 >>203707 >Dice want Unova >Dice want Shuppet for Hoenn, Meditite for Sinnoh, Sewaddle for Unova, or Goomy for Kalos Interesting choices. Shuppet's tied with Aron and Trapinch as answers I was hoping the dice would give. The Sinnoh roll is all but a wash, as expected, since Meditite was filler. I needed a few things to round out the roll roster, even if I'd really just be in Sinnoh for Gliscor, Rampardos, or Mamoswine. Unova/Sewaddle is a good combo, but the Unova list was the first of these roll lists I wrote for a reason, Unova has a lot of good Pokémon. No matter which one of those I rolled, I was going to feel like I was missing out on the others. Finally, the Kalos roll for Goomy is interesting. I love Goomy, it's adorable, but it's competing with Tyrunt, Inkay, and Pumpkaboo. Of the four Region/Pokémon combos I got, I'm most excited for Shuppet/Hoenn, but of the Regions on their own, my mind leaps to Unova. Which of those should I follow, do you think?