What simple abilities can you think of with the theme of "Seed" and magic? Mind throwing them my way? Please don't talk about jizz.

>>55514 Growing plants rapidly. Like Kurama in YYH for example.

What are the best Star Wars races to import the waifus as? Would like non standard races.

>>55514 >awakening magic potential >guiding growth/expression of that magic. >infusing specific traits.

>>55514 On a completely unrelated note, I really like Star Wars cantina music. It's a bit like swing, but unique. I know it's got a special name, what exactly was it called again...?

>>55490 Because the black goo improves her in all aspects, including lewdness. >>55494 You are welcome, thanks for the (w.i.p) jump, really looking forward to the complete version. And seriously, big thanks for adding Melusine. >>55496 Yep, South America is a great place for a Campione, both from the fact it does not already have one and the way it already operates making it one of those countries were the Campione should have a pretty easy time, at least till they tried to clean out the corruption. Also I’m Brazilian, so that played a part. >Somehow south America doesn’t have god killer Don’t blame them, if I lived elsewhere I would not try to come here.

>>55514 Carry magic seeds, use them to grow magical plants of various kinds. Possibly resembling pop greens from One Piece.

>>55516 Loth Wolves

>>55515 Kurama had such cool powers. I'm down, thanks. >>55517 Those are really cool ideas. Thank you anon. >>55518 You know what's fucked up? If I recall correctly, they fucking retconned jizz. >>55520 Oh, pop greens are cool, good idea. Thank you.

>>55522 >they fucking retconned jizz. Can’t have shit in space. How are people even meant to reproduce now?

>>55523 Clone pods, obviously. It's another ploy by the Kaminoans to seize the means of reproduction.

What jumps have good fusion options?

>>55498 Trying and failing to comprehend the fact that Ironheart seems to establish that building an Iron Man suit is apparently harder for Earth's level of technology than space travel. >>55518 Jizz music is great yeah, all my boys down at the club jizzing everywhere.

>>55514 >>55517 Friendly reminder that Slayer magics in Fairy Tail do the trait grafting thing by causing the user to form a 'seed' that transforms them into whatever type of thing originated that slayer magic - so dragon for Dragon Slayer and demon for Demon Slayer. God Slayer's a bit different since they basically use mantling in place of that, causing the caster to become possessed by the god of whatever domain the magic would 'slay'.

>>55514 I like the idea of using plant based magic that works wit principles like pop greens from one piece or saibamen from Dragonball. Like you throw seed somewhere on the ground and tey imediately grow to become plants that do stuff depending on the stiuation like vines that wrap around people(maybe aslo drain energy like leech seed from pokemon), flowers that affect people's minds with their pollen, trees to block attack, or even autonomous plant like minions. Otherwise you could also weaponize the seed directly like the moves bullet seed and seed bomb from Pokemon. >spoiler fine, but Homunculi lend themselves so well to the concept

Look at this, what measurment do you think pic related is? The actual answer [B102-W60-H89 cm]

>>55526 I saw a lot of jizz in bars, honestly. Seemed pretty common there.

>>55525 TSF world, has an power for that. >>55526 Talking about capeshit, what are your thought on the Sonic/DC crossover so far.

What is your Jumper's usual sales pitch to any companions that aren't immediately onboard for an adventure across the multiverse?

>>55531 Not him but sonic mogging reverse flash is kino.

Anywhere with good corruption/mind control nanomachines? And any that are good at rapidly converting body parts into cybernetics?

>>55529 >not even getting a pic of her in swimwear like one of the many episode mid-reel pinups At least try to make the game playable, anon.

>>55525 Yugioh has several options. I know the Duel Monster jumps have fusion perks for example.

>>55535 Sweetie, anime would be the worst thing to use, since it's anime.

>>55527 I'm intrigued, and might try to theory craft something off of that. >>55528 I do love some autonomous plant minions, and in general that is a good fighting style. >fine, but Homunculi lend themselves so well to the concept How do you mean?

>>55527 that's god soul take over, from what I know there's no lore on god slayer magic other than it exist but we must remember the effects third origin had on it

>>55538 >How do you mean? Homunculi as described by Paracelsus(who coined the term) would be created by purifying the sperm of men and using them as the base to grow a human without a woman. This is still occasionally used in other media utilizing Homunculi like Fate. Essentially this is a really good way of using magic to grow minions from human 'seed'

>>55537 Just saying it's better to prioritize removing misdirects like bad pov/obscuring clothes before quibbling over inconsistencies between art studios (which should still be addressed, just later).

>>55486 If you need inspiration there's a list here of various gods of smithing from different cultures - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smithing_gods

>>55540 Honestly I'm gonna consider it now, given that seems cool.

>>55531 It’s pretty good as crossovers go, kinda nice to see Darkseid just being a big rock man with goofily named superweapons instead of The End of All Stories or whatever after all this time. >>55533 Tbqh so is Superman flustering Eggman by just refusing to participate in the traditional witty banter stage of rival conflict.

The Jizz Must Flow.

>>55529 her measurement is not big enough

Settings with Dune Mentat equivalents? Like bioengineering absurd supercomputer brains.

>>55532 >hey, so you know how this world is unbelievably awful? >well as it turns out I've got a way out... Current jumper has mostly picked up their companions in shit-sack settings like Dark Souls, Elden Ring and Modern Geopolitics.

>>55548 Referer from Culture Bioscale.

>>55548 Limitless after taking NZT.

>Nioh 3 >Demo takes place in 1573 >its another fucking prequel >But halfway between Nioh 2 and 1 The Nioh Jump really is never going to happen, huh? The damned thing is cursed

>>55548 Geneforge. They make these little brains with tiny little leggies that just sit on a pedastal and think.

>>55548 Thinker drones in Hive Queen Quest?

>>55552 Nioh? More like nyoooooooo

>>55550 nta but aren't those guys not so much "super smart" but rather that they are inexplicably capable of almost immediately coming to the correct conclusions on various things even without the insane computational and processing power of a Mind to enable them? I vaguely remember those sorts of individuals being one of the things that still kind of baffles Minds because they can't explain the phenomena.

>>55555 >quints the numbers don't lie.

>>55551 can I use wishcraft with kaleidoscope? and to avoid narrow talents?

>>55514 Land mines that you start by sticking a small generated seed somewhere that then charges itself.

>>55514 All of the seeds from Pokemon Mystery Dungeon https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Seed

>>55548 >none of the movies have gotten us a new Dune jump owari da

>>55534 I know one of the Sonic comics had this as something Eggman can do.

>>55559 >each mine-plant spreads with rhizomes, all of them becoming a growing minefield

>>55561 You know the rules, Enterprise

>>55558 >can I use wishcraft with kaleidoscope? Yed, but I'd be careful about doing so as it's very much not something you want to brute force past your skill level and then run into an issue you weren't expecting. >and to avoid narrow talents? Kind of, keep in mind that Wishcraft is best used filling in gaps in your skill/knowledge. If your skill and knowledge in everything is shit and you're brute forcing your way past everything with raw power that's going to take a massive amount of raw power.

>>55514 lewd mind control/beauty enhancing/... fluid shenanigans

>>55516 Miraluka. >>55514 Using magic to grow things. Like making a magical seed that makes swords and tossing it onto a pile of iron.

>>55552 There was an anon that already claimed it here wasn't there? They could just make the jump and update it later. Otherwise there are already three jumps tied to Nioh so it's only a problem for someone that fixates on where the jump is from.

>>55568 >Otherwise there are already three jumps tied to Nioh And how many of those were made by us and not SB or reddit?

>>55514 Subtly implant a "seed" of magic into someone and let it grow. To what effect is up to you - maybe you want to make them a mage, granting power to reward loyalty. Sense what they see and hear to spy on whatever they're around. Hijack their mind and body, turn them into a sleeper agent. Make them an unwitting suicide bomber.

>>55569 I already said >it's only a problem for someone that fixates on where the jump is from. so that should be enough of a hint, no? One of them technically only lets you visit the world and mimick William so it's probably more accurate to say two and not three.

Not exactly what you want, but Generator Rex has an option that lets you infect someone with nanites and activate them, which causes them to mutate into an "EVO" that you control >EVO Creation 400 cp (Discount Nanite Project Scientist) >Your nanites have the power to activate and cause people, animals, or plants to turn into monstrous EVOs. These EOVs possess animal like intelligence and there nanites render them incurable if not saved in a short period of time. You can control these EVOs as well they all carry a mark of your hand print on them. You EVOs tends to be unique creations, usually only possessing advantages of size and strength, although a few may surprise you with a unique and useful ability. Though if the target doesen't already have nanites, you're probably gonna run out your own, unless you get the Omega nanite that lets you generate more. Otherwise how about Ben 10? It doesen't have an explcicit perk, but the show featured things like the Microchips from the first movie, which can implant people and possess them, which also merged with Ben's friend Elena and turned her into a 'Queen' capable of controlling and generating them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP4vRyr2tsU, as well as stuff like and also other tech like Vilgax's drones that can turn humans like the Criminal Rojo into Cyborgs that he can communicate with and torture into obedience, or the nanotech based Techadron robot that Ben's former bully Cash encountered, with him finding a glove that lets him shoot blasts which regrew over time around him and corrupted is mind, though he was eventually able to reject it through willpower. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP4vRyr2tsU

>>55572 You forgot to link a post

>>55573 Oh, must have deleted it. >>55534 >>55572

>>55534 Guren 5 has this: >The Fruits of my Research >This is the peak of scientific ingenuity. You possess a unique substance that behave like organic cells, but is in fact wholly mechanical. These cells can infect any organic being on contact, transforming their body into that of a machine, one wholly under these cell’s control. This even enhances their special abilities. You’re free to reprogram the cells, but by default, they will show you unflinching obedience. Should you be a Gear, your entire body is composed of these cells, letting you mechanize others through touch, or even fuse entirely with other beings.

>>55529 Bro I can't even properly measure a foot in distance IRL and you want me to measure titties

Corruptible little doe...

>>55577 You may need help

>>55522 >If I recall correctly, they fucking retconned jizz. Kinda? People probably still call it that, but you're probably a dirty, sandy T*toonian if you do.

>>55578 May?

>>55578 May?

>>55580 I try not to judge until someone posts a wall of something

>>55578 >>55580 He doesn't "need help". He needs people to call out his attention whoring faggotry for what it is and to stop enabling him.

>>55583 That is a form of help

>>55578 >>55580 It's June tho.

>>55585 It'll be July in like a week.

>>55584 Only in the sense that pushing someone into a gas chamber is help.

>>55532 "I assure you, I am much more reasonable than you might think I am, you don't have to say yes right away."

Who's more evil?

>>55589 Neither did anything wrong.

Do any of the starwars jumps allow you to buy a blaater, like specifically a blaster you choose and not a specific blaster? Cause I kind of want to grab the one from jedi survivor. Its amazingly modular and I like the look.

Shit... I should buy the deathstar plans to fight hellstar remina.

>>55591 the KotOR jump lets you purchase a heavy blaster of your choice iirc, though it's also set thousands of years prior to jedi survivor so the odds of that specific blaster existing are pretty low. That said there's nothing stopping you from just purchasing whatever blaster you want in jump.

>>55592 I'm not even sure the death star is powerful enough to do anything to Hellstar Remina

>>55594 The hell star is just a mostly giant planet. I slapped back some nukes but that was it mostly

>>55593 Yeah I already went the in jump route but its nice to get an infinite ammo imported version you know?

>>55594 2 death stars?

>>55595 Yeah, but "big planet" can be WAY bigger than smaller planet to the point the big planet takes pretty much no damage from something that would destroy the smaller planet

>Sylar can write without a pencil or pen. This is above even Superman's abilities. So I was looking into other media about Heroes other than the tv show and I stumbled on a thread for Sylar with this bit in it.

>>55599 Superman can definitely use his heat vision like a laser printer.

What is your Jumper's highest priority in most Jumps? Whether that be conquest, adventure, comfort, waifus, justice, power, etc.

>>55591 I don't know if the LW-896 is "standard issue" off the top of my head, but if so Rebels should allow it.

>>55586 Yet, it has not been a week.

>>55601 Currently? Upgrades and imports for his spaceship. Its ballooned from corvette into small frigate. Barely. And cool tech is always nice.

>>55595 It mass-scatters gas giants, eats stars, and devoured an entire constellation 10 - 2000 lightyears across. It's a bit outside SW's paygrade.

>>55600 Which makes it even funnier.

>>55602 Fair enough, Im not sure about that either. I just really dig the modularity and design.

>>55603 You are too weak, you cannot transcend a single week.

>>55605 Nta but I didnt remember the constellation part

>>55596 >but its nice to get an infinite ammo imported version you know? You might be able to cheese it by getting that box of magazines from Nanoha, but the way it's worded you might have to swap out your blaster's power supply to get one that accepts the type of ammo system that the ones there exploit. Or import your blaster of choice into Resident Evil assuming it still lets you pick whatever in-game gun you want since Samurai Edge has infinite ammo in at least some titles.

>>55532 My criteria is generally something like this >Loyalty, would follow me beyond the ends of the world (very literal, in this case. I do like to joke about it) >Wants to travel the multiverse for one reason or another (Wants to keep learning, wants to see more sights, wants to kill more aliens, etc) >Wants to stay with me (Family, close friend, waifu, etc) I give them a heads up when outside context stuff comes up (metaknowledge, magic/tech they don't have, that kind of stuff) and again one year before I go. I tell them they have a year to decide whether or not they want stay here or follow me. I very explicitly tell them I don't know if we'll be back in this world, or WHEN we'll be if we ever return. For some, its a tough choice - they have good friends and a life here. I make it clear there's no hard feelings, and give them a nice care package if I actually have anything worth giving out. For others, its no choice at all - crapsack world, they have nothing else, or we're just that close. The benefits come later, in the next jump - chief among them is the "24 hour respawn timer" as well as the constantly growing power in the form of perks and items.

>>55610 Fair enough thanks

>>55609 It's mentioned as having devoured the entire Hydra Constellation where it first emerged.

>>55601 Nationbuilding, study, peace. Trying to think what a cold, dark, and very gentle place looks like.

>>55614 Christmas Land from nightmare before christmas

>>55614 >Trying to think what a cold, dark, and very gentle place looks like. I like the Eternal Cities in Elden Ring, how they are in an eternal night with a bright starlit sky to give a cool light to those living inside.

>>55601 Proving the supremacy of their form of warfighting. Wrangling their harem.

>>55601 #1 - Survival. Keep the Chain going. Everything else depends on the jump. In Harry Potter jumps, I like going to different magical schools to learn more magic. In Halo UNSC, I buy a Prowler and nuke Covvie planets far behind enemy lines. In Terraria, I kill bosses, use their parts to build weapons and armor to help me kill more bosses, and repeat. In Mass Effect, I work against the Reapers, whether quietly informing people that year Shepard ain't fucking around or loudly gathering a military force. In Castlevania Aria of Sorrow, my writeups are centered around the scenario, escort missions, assassinating the other heirs, fighting a Belmont and Chaos, all that fun stuff.

>>55614 Sovngarde?

>>55616 I like that one too. I wonder how it'll all look to the other Fantasy settings I go to, like LotR, Warcraft, or Warhammer. A great city under an eternally bright, comforting night sky filled with a slowly growing population of Dark Souls Giants, Eternal Dragons, pre-curse men, a few crossbreeds, and a new order of "Firekeepers"

>>55513 >Piggly Wiggly Edition >”Describe Kermit’s wedding night.”

>>55601 Depends entirely on the Jump in question. But generally speaking my top priority is to insert myself into the main adventure/plot on the side of my choice, which often, but not always, involves waifus I want. After that I usually try to get my hands on any new interesting powers/items that catch my eye from the setting. 90% of the time conquest is reserved for Jumps where that's already the main point (Master of Magic, Stellaris, Crusader Kings, etc.) or settings that are so shit that me taking over would be the best outcome for everyone involved (Warhammer, Elden Ring, Overlord, etc.)

>>55577 Nice.

What the fuck is a Tokyo Ghoul?

>>55625 A ghoul from Tokyo, keep up.

>>55625 Much like a Berlin Wraith, but more oriental.

>>55625 >what if the nukes mutated some people into being superpowered obligate cannibals

>>55605 >>55613 It was eating them one at a time,

>>55625 That guy from Dead by Daylight

>>55625 A miserable pile of angst

>>55630 Why has all media become anime-ified?

>>55632 Because anime shits on most other media in terms of sales, so they glom on to it to make more money.

3d8 = 16 1d8 = 3

>>55632 Anime proves itself the dominant entertainment media and all forms of media are slowly evolving towards the Final Shape (of moe).

>>55635 >Anime proves itself the dominant entertainment media and all forms of media are slowly evolving towards the Final Shape The Winnower is an anime waifu confirmed! I always know the Darkness was best girl.

God Grudge based on Apollo and especially Hades having sperg moments regarding the desire to kill certain individuals. >Divinely Held Grudge (+200): Within a week of your entry to this world your existence will be discovered by a God; whether due to your desecration of his temple, defiling of his priestesses, coveting of his wives, or just resemblance to someone who did such a thing in the past he’s going to be looking to skill you pretty much as fast as he can get his hands on you. Fortunately while far from a weak God this individual isn’t in his right state of mind, it’s quite rare for Gods to go insane but this one will be so furious that he might as well be completely crazy. Much like Hades after discovering a Campione near him he’s just going to come rushing to kill you head on, perhaps giving you a better chance than normal and likely leading to him being stuck with a sudden case of Campione if evaded or escaped for long enough. Now pretty much everybody who isn’t among the Godslayers will probably hand you up on a silver platter to appease him but that’s on the lower end of your problems from him personally chasing you down across whatever nation you happen to be residing in when he comes after you. On the bright side if he can’t manage to kill you for any reason you’ll find that he’d much rather die than continue to exist in the same World you live in.

>>55632 Current trend based on popularity. Given enough time it'll get old something else will start to gain popularity and things will shift towards that. Trends come and go.

Wow, they are pumping out Digimon lore today it seems.

What kinds of date activities would Artoria like to engage in?

>>55640 A Burger Crawl, like a pub crawl but instead going to various different places to try different burgers.

>>55640 She's /your/ wife bro, ask her.

>>55643 You know we can actually do italics now. You don't need to do /this/ anymore.

>>55643 If I just ask I feel like that comes across as me being thoughtless

>>55644 Dude I haven't even figured out how to do spoilers yet, fuck your fancy italics.

>>55646 Just click on the big plus sign at the top of the page. It'll guide you through all the different ways to format text.

>>55646 As the first guy, type out spoiler in brackets, and then finish it with /spoiler in brackets.

>>55646 >>55648 Two asterisks at the beginning and end serves the same purpose (as long as there's no line breaks within the text being spoilered).

>>55625 something like a vampire that can form things like tentacles, wings, tails, weapons or armor out of a component in the flesh/blood of their victims.

>>55639 So what have we learned? Anything interesting?

Other than bastilla and revan who are good jedi to grab holocrons from?

>>55532 “Your fleeting existence is but dust on cosmic winds, but to align with my goals is to embrace eternity. Help me save your world from the ravages of entropy, and I will ensure we will see stars born and die like mayflies together. And yes, that does include full medical coverage, child support and stock options” >>55601 Strictly speaking, it’s terraforming. Whether by the formation of some sort of singularity, the alteration of causality or the construction of cosmic infrastructure, the goal of taking over the world is technically a means to the end of reconfiguring existence into an eternal and retroactive end state in which there is no suffering, change or deviation, all energy and resources have been utilised to maximum efficiency, and the conceptual boundaries of that reality have been reinforced against Outer God or other extradimensional threat intrusion. Which is itself a step towards my endgoal of merging every reality into a kind of abstract railgun which I will use to fire 99.99% of Marvel (which I have turned into a giant Dominion with my own Essence pattern engrained into it) at Azathoth, using DC as the chamber. Which in addition to currently ongoing metaphysical mutilation being inflicted on priority target Outer Gods, the aggressive cultivation of anathemic principle-realms such as Heaven and Eden, the use of the Tyrant Theory to forcibly exert death on the Supreme Archetype and copious amounts of Crisis/Anti-Crisis energy is currently being used to slowly but surely kill all of the Outer Gods and use their essence as fuel to reformat the gestalt reality. Which is conquest yes, but kinda at a more existential level than marching armies and planting flags.

>>55653 Personally I think it would be a lot of fun to get Holocrons from every Lord I could and then start putting them in random places in all the younglings and padawans rooms. The future generations must be exposed to how badly they've been fucked and return to their glorious heritage.

>>55629 And it still ate all of the Hydra Constellation in a year despite that, which implies obscene speed and an equally obscene rate of consumption. That, and again, it stuffs out stars and mass-scatters gas giants - nothing outside of one-off Legends weapons in Star Wars can even match it.

>>55654 How does one get a good story post rather than a small shitpost out of you when making jumps?

>>55652 There's another Digital World, Shambala. Like how Digital World Iliad is run by Homeros instead of King Drasil and is greek myth themed, this one is run by Kun Lun and is based in chinese and or asian myths. There's quite a few new asian themed Digimon revealed to go with it, such as Amaterasumon. On the same day, we got more Time Stranger news, including revealing two new Digimon that will debut in it, SkullSeadramon and Sharkmon.

>>55654 >the use of the Tyrant Theory to forcibly exert death on the Supreme Archetype Okay, but why. The Archetype,s least of all the Supreme Archetype, have nothing to do with the Outer Gods and the latter willfully helps mortals. I'm not sure if it has done anything to justify trying to murder it.

>>55655 Im trying to figure out good ones to grab from the legacy jump for 200 cp.

>>55642 Do you think she'd ever leave the warehouse if you bought at least one of those burger joints you can keep as an attachment like that one from one of the older DC comic jumps? Or does she have some unspoken sense of brand loyalty? Would she take umbrage when visiting a real-world setting because they have an entire chain of Burger Kings? I almost want to see her reaction after tasting the burger from the Five Guys music video. Just genuine attempts at wholesome date antics.

>>55660 Have you considered Sunrider?

>>55658 >SkullSeadramon and Sharkmon. They look cool as fuck

>>55637 Nice, also >he’s going to be looking to skill you pretty I think you meant kill. >>55640 Going to a place with good food. Just walking around town, seeing how nice and new things are (assuming you are in a nice place like Star Trek or Oregairu, not somewhere like shit like Project Moon or Danmachi).

>>55662 I had not but her wiki is awesome

>>55664 >and to be clear, by that I mean the living condition of where the jump takes place, not the jump/setting itself.

>>55658 Enmamon looks pretty good. >>55665 Fun character.

>>55664 >I think you meant kill. Thanks, fixed.

>>55668 You are welcome. Best of luck.

>>55596 You can get the ability to give guns infinite ammo in bayonetta and devil may cry iirc. Worst comes to worst just get it in jump and then import it into a different jump that does have an infinite ammo gun option. >>55595 I feel like you are dramatically underselling just how powerful Hellstar Remina is.

>>55596 Terraria has the infinite ammunition recipe item. Also, Journey Mode.

>>55659 >The Archetype,s least of all the Supreme Archetype, have nothing to do with the Outer Gods and the latter willfully helps mortals They have EVERYTHING to do with Outer Gods because THEY ARE PART OF YOG-SOTHOTH, one of the bigger Outer Gods. It’s like fighting a Primordial, I have to kill the smaller pieces before I kill the biggest chunk. >I’m not sure if it has done anything to justify trying to murder it By existing it upholds the existence of Great Old Ones and potentially other Outer Gods. Possibly not the ones listed as it’s siblings or progenitors on Lovecraft’s napkin, but somehow I don’t think the fat blob sitting around in a cave is also simultaneously divorced from the All-In-One as a discrete existence. >>55657 It is completely unpredictable, my muse is a fickle bitch that probably looks like Tank Girl who spirals through rock opera, thrash metal and punk phases. If I had to guess based on historical trends, the key is “make a jump for a setting that is inherently antithetical or otherwise engages my Jumper’s goals and beliefs so he has skin in the game to engage with it as well as some meaningful opposition, at least something that would make Silver Age Superman sweat” although the Distant Skies gauntlet also shows deprivation can also be revealing.

>>55637 Nice. Can this be taken multiple times? I like the idea of killing a god which then pisses off the friends of that go in some sort of divine conga line of ultra violence.

>>55676 As funny and good for CP as that would be I don't think it fits as none of the examples in the story go in that direction.

>>55541 I mean yeah, but she is still half covered, in her thin uniform, drawn on the "canon" version.

>>55578 Why?

>>55552 Nioh 3 is bittersweet. It's more Nioh, but I wouldn't be able to play since I don't have a next gen console. Oh and... >>55568 That's me. Have problems. Nioh 3 will give me more problems.

>>55675 >They have EVERYTHING to do with Outer Gods because THEY ARE PART OF YOG-SOTHOTH, one of the bigger Outer Gods. Shard, Through The Gates Of The Silver Key more or less point-blank states that calling the Supreme Archetype "Yog-Sothoth" is just a falsehood that is done because mortals literally cannot grasp the existence of the greater Archetypes at all. Like, we literally know from Dream Quest where the Other Gods reside and it's nowhere past the Ultimate Gate that you need to step beyond in order to even reach the Archetypes. The Archetypes =/= the Other Gods at all and Lovecraft was about as clear about that as he could ever be without outright hitting us over the head with it. Even the fact the flute players in Azathoth's court "give each frail cosmos its eternal law" already proves they aren't the Archetypes, because such a thing is impossible under the cosmology Sivler Key describes. >By existing it upholds the existence of Great Old Ones and potentially other Outer Gods. Everything in the entire Lovecraft cosmology is a part of the Supreme Archetype by its own admission, including the other Archetypes. This doesn't just extend to the Outer Gods or GOOs, but everything - every person, every living thing, every cosmos, etc. It doesn't willfully 'uphold anything' anymore than you 'uphold' the cells in your own body. Nor do the actions of those refle t upon it because again, change is not a real thing and nothing the Outer Gods or GOOs do actually impacts anything in the slightest. >Possibly not the ones listed as it’s siblings or progenitors on Lovecraft’s napkin, That family tree is a literal proto-shitpost Shard - not only does it contradict two Silver Key describes the cosmology (Archetypes cannot spawn or have descendants or progenitor because change isn't real) but it literally features Lovecraft himself on there, and I dont think Lovecraft ever implies anywhere that he is a part of his own cosmogony. You cannot trace the Supreme Archetype's existence to anything else because if you could, it would not be the Supreme Archetype.

>>55676 Self delivering loot bags.

>>55547 YES. You can clearly see that a hand could never contain them but I'm supposed to believe they are just japanese 102! >>55576 I want YOU to be autistic so you can be mad with me.

>>55568 We don't do "claims" anymore. If someone wants to cuck someone out of their "claim"... well, that's just survival of the fittest.

>>55568 Every time someone has made a Nioh claim, they have suffered immensely.

>>55688 >"we don't claims" >uses the word cuck

>>55690 Yes? You can announce intent to work on a jump, thus "claiming" it, but as far as actual jurisprudence and ensuring exclusivity is concerned, they're worth less than the nonexistence paper they're printed on.

>>55692 The joke is that you are using a fairly reasonable argument, but then use the word cuck.

>>55685 >It doesn't willfully 'uphold anything' anymore than you 'uphold' the cells in your own body. Well, to extend the metaphor you have to kill some cells if you want to give the body necrosis. Change not being a real thing is in fact the problem, so to start inflicting change it makes sense to start with the aspects of the changeless whole (the Great Old Ones/Outer or Other Gods) most capable of exerting tangible change on the rest of existence. If only to attack the presumed Archetypes of those gods at their root. >That family tree is a literal proto-shitpost Shard Tbqh it makes exactly as much sense as Nyarlathotep being the soul and messenger of all the Outer Gods collectively. Or black people being technically kemomimi.

>>55679 A shame. I liked the idea of killing, for example, Hades and then Poseidon shows up because you killed his brother and then you kill him too only for Zeus to show up because you killed the other two so you kill him as well and then Hera shows up probably to congratulate you and ask if you're single.

>>55688 You say that like we don't allow multiple versions of jumps now

>>55696 Who still uses the original version of Naruto? Who still uses the original version of StarCraft Terran? Who still uses the original version of Bleach? Dupes are just replacements with extra steps except in the rare instances where the dupes were truly pointless and mediocre efforts like the Undertale and AtLA dupes.

>>55699 >Who still uses the original version of Naruto? Me, nta

>>55699 To be fair I still use all 3, I just treat them as divergent timelines or resets or my glorious Otsutsuki form shitting out an inferior, pathetic toddler master ninja avatar. Or something.

Watching a playthrough of Jedi Fallen Order has taught me this: even a shitty half-trained padawan can tear through effectively arbitrary numbers of stormtroopers, purge troopers, and the like. The only thing that really gives pause to even a low-level Force user is other Force users. Is this correct? I may have a biased view due to watching an absolute chad playing on Grandmaster difficulty, no hit, 100% who proceeds to style on literally every single enemy and boss in the entire game like he has actual precognition.

>>55688 I still like the old Bleach's zanpkakuto customization, the old Naruto jump can get you the tenseigan and I don't give a shit about Stargate, but there's still reasons to use the originals

>>55704 I was going to ask you when we got a Stargate dupe, then I realized my/your mistake. Though it solidifies your not-caring credentials.

>>55702 >The only thing that really gives pause to even a low-level Force user is other Force users. >https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mRBSz2-ixZs&pp=ygUUb2dkdSBib2dkdSBzdGFyIHdhcnM%3D Nyanko, you forgot about random giant space frogs

>>55699 I've used both sets of all 3 of those. I think one of the few I might not've used all versions for was FEH book 1 simply because the original's not different by enough for it to not feel like double dipping. And even then I think it might have that one perk for being able to build energy through wanton property damage. Does the newer Naruto jump even let you do that thing where you get to take the rest Team 7 + your ninja sensei with you when you replace the missing member?

>>55694 >Well, to extend the metaphor you have to kill some cells if you want to give the body necrosis. Which wouldn't do anything. The Archetypes are not contingent on anything in order to exist, least of all the Supreme Archetype. >Change not being a real thing is in fact the problem, so to start inflicting change it makes sense to start with the aspects of the changeless whole (the Great Old Ones/Outer or Other Gods) most capable of exerting tangible change on the rest of existence. Which again, wouldn't do anything per what TGoTSK describes. The GOOs and Outer Gods hold no bearing on the Archetypes existence or lack thereof and they literally /can't/ per what is stated - change is an illusion, a falsehood. Everything that exists has always existed and will always exist and that applies to everything, not just the GOOs/Outer Gods. Your average person is just as immutable at their core as everything else is, no different from any Outer God. Destroying either would not alter the nature of their originating Archetype in any way, because Archetypes don't have any aspect of themselves - and literally cannot by definition - that is integral to their continued existence. They exist because they exist and because they exist, the fact is that they always have and always will. If an Archetype can be changed in any way, then under Lovecraft's cosmology, it is no longer an Archetype and never has been. The Archetypes don't have anything to do with the Outer Gods anymore than they have to do with anything else, because everything is them and no one part is greater than any other and I think the Supreme Archetype would simply say as much if prompted to. And if your goal is to murder every Outer God forever, then it would likewise be as simple as getting rid of the Supreme Archetype because it 'is' everything in the cosmology - you dont need a two-pronged attack at the Outer Gods to do so, because the Outer Gods simply don't matter once you're at the level of the Archetypes. Based on how it acts with Carter and how Umr-at-Tawil has stated how it has aided other beings in achieving enlightenment, it's not even going to resist if that's your goal. >Tbqh it makes exactly as much sense as Nyarlathotep being the soul and messenger of all the Outer Gods collectively. That at least has some basis, since Lovecraft enjoys playing with the idea of certain things being parts of even bigger things. That's the basis behind the Archetypes themselves after all. Nyarlathotep is more or less just a microcosm of the same idea. Lovecraft's own notes even regularly allude to an ultimate animating essence behind all things, which is pretty much 1:1 with THE BEING/Supreme Archetype.

>>55705 Ah Starcraft my mistake, but my point still stands, even if you're going to try to use it as a reason to pretend you won the argument

>>55706 Didn't look like the space frogs gave him much trouble...

I've been asking myself for a while "what is the Chain I want to run" and I don't think I like the answer I've come to. I think I just realized my ideal Jumper is Rimuru. >Powerful but approachable (and cute) >Surrounded by a diverse community of loyal, cute, and often powerful monstergirls/boys who genuinely respect them as a person. >Runs an entire kingdom but seems to have plenty of free time in spite of that. >Obscene powercreep. >Conflict always falls into their lap on its own, allowing them to regularly show off and pursue more personal power while always having the moral high ground. >I tend to grab so many shapeshifting perks my Jumper might as well be a slime/shoggoth. >I also have a certain fondness for power-copying or consumption-based powers. I'm arguably more concerned over how much this bothers me. Like, I wasn't expecting my Chain to be a wholly original story with no outside influences, but part of me fears that if I fully lean into my favorite tropes, my Jumper will eventually wind up as a pure Rimuru pallet-swap. Maybe this is why I've been so desperate to find some crazy gimmick or theme that would force me to take my Chain in any other possible direction. I knew what I wanted, I just didn't want to admit it. I honestly still don't.

>>55702 >Is this correct? I may have a biased view due to watching an absolute chad playing on Grandmaster difficulty, no hit, 100% who proceeds to style on literally every single enemy and boss in the entire game like he has actual precognition. It depends on how trained they are. Ashoka was a padawan and she Survived order 66 because she had a butt load of practical experience and training with the Clones who were pretty much bred to kill Jedi more experienced than her.

>>55711 Eh, rimuru seems cool enough.

>>55711 If you recognize and understand all the aspects that make Rimuru who he is, then you can simply avoid those. It requires a very specific mix of sheer altruism mixed with raw pragmatism to actually 'be' Rimuru, anyhow.

>>55706 >Jedi survivor God I fucking hate how there's instant kill moves for those bosses. Especially how Oggdo's tongue attack isn't stopped by force pull. Apparently I have to fight two rancors if I want to 100% the game. Fuck that shit until NG+

>>55702 Most Jedi still die to massed fire. Anakin considers the standard anti blaster training of the Jedi mostly trash since learning to deflect one blaster does not help when there's a dozen soldiers firing at you from all directions. He made Ahsoka undergo special training with the clones at some point, which is how she survived O66.

>>55694 >>55708 I'll also add that IIRC the family tree was in fact explicitly a joke between Lovecraft and a friend - it was a response to another author adding himself to a family tree of Greek/Roman gods. It is definitionally a shitpost and shouldn't be consulted as a definitive lovecraftian hierarchy. It would be like me claiming that all jumpers are actually directly descended from bancho and Chris-chan.

>>55717 >all jumpers are actually directly descended from bancho and Chris-chan Okay, but this would be thematically in-tune with Lovecraft's themes of horrific genealogical revelations driving people insane.

>>55714 I mean, isn't Rimuru's entire personality "show kindness whenever possible, but take zero shit from anyone who tries to fuck with your friends"?

>>55718 It would be in-tune, yes. But 'would it be true?' Fuck no. And if I ever made the claim unironically, I would (rightly) be shit on for being an utter twat who eats glue.

>>55719 he's typical japanese power fantasy yes.

>>55711 Statistically speaking, it's kind of inevitable that your story ends up looking like at least one other one out there since a lot of them steal notes from each other - from which we then copy wholesale, but yeah you do look to be filling out a fairly common bingo card spread with some of that list... Real talk, I doubt there's an anon out there who has a main jumper without at least one power copy/steal type ability who hasn't also ended up retiring said jumper early - or at least hasn't started another chain because they couldn't stay motivated with the one they were initially focusing on.

>>55719 >>55721 >Rimuru is a hairs breadth away from being a Xianxia protagonist

>>55716 On that note: the end of Jedi Fallen Order shows just how fucking terrifying Vader is, especially to other Jedi. Dude is a fucking force of nature who makes lesser Force users feel like upjumped stage magicians while Vader's casually no-selling literally everything you throw at him, laughing off attempts to throw massive engines and the like, casually ripping apart entire stations all around you, and literally just ignoring and walking right through someone trying to Force crush him or put up a barrier. Holy shit the man is terrifying. I want dat.

>>55723 He is too chill to be a xianxia protagonist.

>>55724 Vader is slow Lu Bu.

>>55726 I don't know what that means.

>>55727 >I don't know what that means. > It means do not pursue.

>>55659 >>55675 >>55685 >>55694 >>55708 >>55717 I would like to reiterate that Lovecraft really didn't seem to care about a coherent continuity. I'm inclined to believe the only reason there isn't more outright contradictions is by pure coincidence. It's better to just interpret the metaphysics in whatever way makes the most sense and best suits your story. That's pretty much what every writer who came after does.

>>55719 More or less, but he's also a fairly chill nation builder. >>55723 He's nowhere near morally bankrupt enough to be a cultivator.

>>55723 Well, replace "anyone who tries to fuck with your friends" with "anyone who tries to fuck with you" and you'd be almost kinda right.

>>55723 nta, but he actually is one for what it matters; just sitting more on the far end between classic/serious and subversive/comedy. In terms from that genre, he's at least covered: >integrated a divine beast into his spirit sea for a drastic power boost >regularly crafts high-tier relics/formations well in advance of what the folks in his area were capable of >establishes a sect >gained the counsel of an old monster relative to his clout at the time >slaps down at least 2 young masters to varying degrees of severity (the Beastkateer demon lord and Clayman) >humble brags/weird flexes on the regulasr

>>55724 >I want dat. You can get that level of force power in a few jumps by practicing going by Kotor anon's supplement or you could just get it off the bat in Wol's force unleashed jump.

>>55702 >I may have a biased view due to watching an absolute chad playing on Grandmaster difficulty, no hit, 100% who proceeds to style on literally every single enemy and boss in the entire game like he has actual precognition. Post a link.

>>55736 Sure. >https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL61FH1Fo4C7EQLMQUVayVqnjA2KiVz8dK Patalog does a lot of other playthroughs, and they're always a treat to watch.

>>55724 Vader in everything besides the movies or parodies is an absolute monster. Like that time he took on a Rebel army and just casually smashed through them in the comics. Or how in that one novel Vader's mere presence is so dark, heavy, and evil that it causes two Imperial officers to have a panic attack, with one thinking he must be some kind of demon or embodiment of evil itself, that he couldn't possibly be human or even mortal for that matter. Going back to the comics, there was also that one time Vader pulled a Tsukuyomi on one of Padma's old guards, causing her to live a false, illusionary life as an imperial, that only fell apart because Vader only discovered he could do it then and wasn't able to control it properly. Or hell, even in Kenobi, for all its faults, he just casually grabs a starship, pulls it back, and tears it apart. Granted, it was a decoy, but the point stands. Then remember, at least in Legends, that Vader is a cripple, not even at half of the potential he could have had, or how in Disney, he's unable to reach his full potential because his hate for himself means he'd tear himself apart if he ever overthrew Palpatine. >>55727 It's a Dynasty Warriors joke. Lu Bu, at least when you first meet him, will absolutely kick the shit out of you, so you're supposed to run from him or avoid him or, of course, not to pursue him.

>>55729 Yeah, I'm not saying Shard can't do whatever he wants in his chain. I'm just pointing out that if he's going to use the Archetypes, then based on the facts we know about them, they have nothing in common with the Other Gods and it simply doesn't make sense to conflate them. As is, using them and making them synonymous with the Other/Outer Gods wouldn't fit with how he's depicted the latter. Ultimately, the best options are to either keep them as very separate things or just ignore them like pretty much all of Lovecraft's circle did and just stick to the Outer Gods.

>>55739 So basically in Legends he's not as strong as he could be because he's a nugget and in Disney he's not strong as he could be because he's too sad?

>>55739 Thank you for the explanation. I do not know Dynasty Warriors, so the joke flew over my head. Vader is fucking terrifying and it's awesome. Why couldn't the movies make him this cool?

>>55703 And with that, the prologue and chapter 1 are done. Alternative versions (with some improvements and spelling corrections). Ao3: https://archiveofourown.org/works/66930742/chapters/172762486 Pastebin Prologue: https://pastebin.com/zkCWS1KE Pastebin Chapter 1: https://pastebin.com/pJdkE3YR New content soon to follow. In other news, I am officially claiming and beginning work on the Mother 1+2 and Eternal Tails jumps. If you have any suggestions for perks, backgrounds, or tidbits to include in either, let me know!

>>55743 >Vader is fucking terrifying and it's awesome. Why couldn't the movies make him this cool? Because like 99% of the content came after the movies.

I always pick up intelligence/genius perks when I see them but actually writing a staggering intellect in a way that isn't just "seems to just have all the answers somehow" is a pain in the ass since I'm kind of an idiot.

>>55745 Fair enough.

>>55744 >AO3 I keep forgetting jumpchain has an actual fandom tag on that website

>>55742 Pretty much, yeah, They make it very clear in the Disney comics that Vader can absolutely reach his full potential, pulling off all kinds of crazy bullshit, and the reason why Vader's given up on overthrowing the Emperor in Return of the Jedi is because he actually DOES gain the power to kill the Emperor...and then immediately starts tearing himself apart once it looks like he has, with Palpatine stepping in, getting his power under control, and smugly telling him 'it is I who controls the power, not you', or something along those lines. Legends, on the other hand, makes it clear he's a cripple. The Revenge of the Sith novelization paints a pretty vivid image, comparing Vader in the suit to a painter gone blind, a composer gone deaf, having the memory of the power he once wielded but no longer able to reach it or use it. I think Lucas or someone else put it in mathematical terms, like Anakin's full potential power is twice that of the Emperor's, while Vader's power is about 8/10ths as strong. >>55743 Special effects weren't good enough, unfortunately. Maybe in another world, that might have been possible...

>>55752 I'll be honest, I prefer Legends canon over Disney canon. Point of fact, I refuse to acknowledge the Disney trilogy as anything even approaching canon.

>>55722 >spoiler Yeah, there's no denying that powercopying poses a lot of logistic issues, especially if you're at the point in your Chain where power escalation is still a factor. Besides, it quickly gets confusing unless power copying is your only gimmick. Having it on top of a dozen other abilities just feels overkill. Still, being able to see the cool shit that an enemy can pull off and then make it yours isn't hard to find appealing from a power fantasy perspective, even if it does more harm than good from a storytelling perspective. >>55740 That's kinda what I'm saying. Lovecraft's works are full of contradictions, and TGotSK especially is vaguely worded in several places. If it makes sense to Shard that The Supreme Archetype is functionally an Outer God while simultaneously being a very different type of entity from those in the void, then their interpretation is just as likely to be right or wrong as yours or mine. >>55744 What's Eternal Tails? >>55746 Just make them so smart they overthink everything and circle back around to being stupid. Maybe you need to have a Watson-esque figure to anchor them and focus their excessive intelligence to practical ends.

>>55746 You can think about how they come up with something for days and weeks, just make them come up with it in minutes / hours.

>>55755 >Eternal Tails A Sonic fanfic. Pretty grim, I believe.

>>55755 >What's Eternal Tails? A Sonic the Hedgehog deconstruction fanfiction series by Pantalion taking place in a version of the game canon shortly after the events of Sonic forces. Told primarily through the lens of a PTSD-ridden traumatized and amoral Miles Prower and a bipolar mentally ill Amy Rose. Known for sci-fi elements, horrors beyond mankind's comprehension, and boundless suffering for the entire cast. It's a fun read, Anon.

>>55758 Aww, I was hoping it was based on the old Dorkly shorts where tails was immortal

>>55759 That wouldn't be too far off, anon. Wouldn't be too far off. It does play with the idea of Tails being stupidly resilient in the classic era games quite a bit. With it being a noted 'ability' of his to survive absolutely horrific circumstances with minimal long-term damage. However, it is excruciatingly painful for him.

>>55733 You could also get Legends Luke force potential in Tales of the Jedi. The creator came and said something to that extent, but didn't update the doc, you can find it on the 4chan archive.

>>55702 In fairness when you consider the lethality of blasters and light sabers you kind of have to assume that a 100% no hit run of a star wars game is generally going to be the "canon", barring "cinematic injuries" of course, since if the protag was actually getting hit they'd probably die. Unless we're talking about modern star wars stuff where you can literally just get impaled through the chest with a lightsaber and be fine a few days later. >>55742 It's not so much that he's a nugget but rather that Palpatine deliberately and purposely hooked him up with messed up cybernetics that are only barely functional because that's just how Palps gets his laughs. If Vader had properly made cybernetics, or especially cutting edge high tier ones, he'd be far more capable.

>>55754 >I'll be honest, I prefer Legends canon over Disney canon No arguments there. Much as I seethe over what the New Republic did during the Vong War, I'd take them over the Disney NR any day of the week. Least in Legends, the NR didn't immediately fold to the Imperials' new superweapon.

>>55744 >Mother 1+2 I've heard what caused everything to become sentient was Giygas' psychic power. I would like that power to be available. Also, random picture man that spins down from the sky, please.

>>55762 It's both him being a nugget and the shitty cybernetics. The damage he took from Mustafar, both physically and mentally, robbed him a lot of his potential. It's just that the shitty cybernetics Palps gave him made him slow, cumbersome, awkward, and in constant pain, compared to how quick, athletic, and acrobatic he used to be.

>>55744 for the mother jump i would like to ask for a fangame toggle, alien origin, perks based on giegue/giygas, the more widespread and general psychic weirdness rather than it being just the combat stuff, maybe something for going insane to receive power ups.

>>55766 >Pops into existence in front of Vader >Instantly reverts him to before he got cut in half on Mustafar >Pops out of existence

>>55768 Congratulations: you're probably going to cause Palps to have a heart attack, either out of joy to see his apprentice have the potential to grow stronger than him, something he seemed to want in Revenge of the Sith, or out of panic, because a restored Vader will want the Emperor dead as soon as possible. And unlike everyone else, suitless Vader very much has the ability to make sure Palps is dead and stays dead.

>>55771 I'm going to add "Agent of Chaos" to my Jumper's resume.

>>55772 I feel like you're obligated to take the shitty cybernetics and splice them with some high-spec droid parts so there's a robo-Vader traipsing about in a completely different sector of space that only gets uncovered well after yet more shit has hit the fan because of its actions.

>>55743 People generally say he was cool in Rogue One. The Original Trilogy is just hampered by when it was made.

Jump: Naruto NP:1000 Race: Human Gender:Male Age: 22(12+5d6) Allegiance: Sunagakure Perks: >Experience S rank [-500] >Refined Control[Free] >Refined Control: Shape Transformation [Free] >Ninja Tool Specialty [Free] Shuigu >Ninja Tool Specialty: Personal Techniques [-100] >Sensei [-100] >Nature Transformation [100] Water >Nature Transformation: Living Element [100] >Sage Mode [-300] Items: +400NP >Forehead Protector [Free] >Scrolls [Free] >Bingo Book [Free] >Money [-100] company that sells water bottles and rain Elemental Tool [-100] combined with Shuigu for water manipulation >Sword of the Thunder God [-200] >Shuigu [-300] Companions >Team Jumper [Free] 3 genin students, one taijutsu specialist based on Shira who uses the Seven Heavens Breathing Method, one from a clan who utilizes bandages in combat and for seal, has the scorch release bloodline and controls and summons mummified corpses as minions, and one who is from an insect using clan tat specialized in rearing and summoning several kinds of ants, they control ants through pheromones acquired through body modification, which they also incorporate into genjutsu. >Spirit of Love [-100] Jumper's father imbued into water. Drawbacks: >Gaiden [+0] One year before canon >A New World [+0] personal headcanons >Filler Up [+0] >Ninja Loser [+100] Taijutsu >Lazy [+200] >Dark Past [+300] Jumper is a ridiculous water specialist, being able to create and contlol it on a massive scale without moving, also letting him gather natural energy for sage mode and fight at the same time. Basic idea is for jumper to warn the Kazekage about Orochimaru and work with him to lure Orochhimaru into a trap during the Chunin exams, preferably working with the Hokage too, using the opportunity to get rid of Orochimaru and Kabuto. Also try to get the Kazekage to open up to Gaara to make him more stable. Also generally have my jumper train his team so they can take part in the Chunin exams in Konoha, and after the trust is earned try to get them to deal with the threat of Akatsuki. probably gonna work out more details later. Anyone got suggestion for the Dark Past? I was thinking of one of jumper's parents being killed by Sasori and turned into a human puppet, but I am not sure if thats enough. For narrative cohesion something that would involve one of jumpers parents dying in something water related to justify the spirit of love would also be neat.

>>55773 >Places Jedi-killer droid ai into Vader-Droid >Gives the robot repulsors in hands and feet to simulate force push/speed >Put him on a ship and tell him the Emperor wants him to go into hiding

>>55775 >folks asked you to do a thing, probably involving grunt work >jumper sat on their ass that day >shit got real >an entire digit shaved off the clan's populace... >precisely because jumper didn't do the thing and the unresolved issue snowballed into a much larger tragedy than it'd have been otherwise >may or may not be why dad went out to get the milk and never came back >because he kind of is the milk in that Hindu sea of creation kinda way >something something for want of a nail

Something I'll always find funny about the difference between Legends and Disney canon is how successful the Skywalkers and Palpatine are respectively: in Legends, Palpatine is nothing but a stepping stone for the Skywalker family, dying in the most humiliating way possible, with a no-name Jedi dragging him down to Force Hell after Palps tried to possess a baby after being shot and killed by Han Solo of all people. His story ends in utter failure, with all his ambitions and plans collapsing around him, dying in a mix of mind shattering rage and complete terror. The Skywalkers, meanwhile, become the major players of the Galaxy, and a hundred years later, it would be a Skywalker who would be one of the main rulers of the Galaxy, even ignoring how the Fel Dynasty probably descends from Jaina, herself a member of the Skywalker/Solo family. Compare this to Disney, where Leia gets banished from any real political power or position because she's Vader's daughter, Han returns back to being a smuggler on the run, Luke becomes a hermit, and while Palpatine also dies like a bitch, he at least got to see all of his old enemies die before he did. >>55776 Better yet, if it's Legends, I think there's some alien race that's basically crystals piloting droids that can use the Force through their mechanical bodies. Grab one of those, throw it in the Vader mech, brainwash it into thinking it is Vader, and you have a legit copycat of Vader. Though you'd need to convert said crystal to the Dark Side and ensure it's at least as powerful as suitted Vader was.

>>55778 >Vader-Anakin vs Vader-Crystal >FIGHT!

>>55778 >I think there's some alien race that's basically crystals piloting droids that can use the Force through their mechanical bodies Shardite, IIRC? They're not even the only force sensitive crystalline intelligence. There's one that's used to colour lighting of all things

>>55601 Explore the world and people watch the cast. Slap some stupid people if needed. Wandering Inn makes me need to slap a lot of people.

>>55778 Disney actively supports evil and abhors good, that's why this dichotomy exists.

>>55782 Nyanko, for the last time, I don't want to hear about your thesis.

>>55783 >Breathes heavily in thesis

>>55778 Legends was far batter and more interesting.

>>55784 Can one's lungs even handle that much thesis intake?

>>55783 Sorry, my eyes are a bit blurry due to a medical condition. But you said you wanted to hear my thesis? Well, if the masses want to hear it then I can only comply. >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEvWCA2PObA

>>55778 >and while Palpatine also dies like a bitch, he at least got to see all of his old enemies die before he did. Don't forget his granddaughter is basically the ruler of a new sect of Jedi.

>>55788 To be fair, he'd probably fucking hate that. The fact that his legacy would belong to the Jedi Order, his hated enemies, taking on the name of the ones who struck him down, would enrage him.

You ever consider that Ray Palpatine would be shortened to Ray P.? I consider it. I consider it a lot.

>>55790 I haven't the slightest idea of why that made me think of the hardlight dildo panties with full sensory feedback from TiTS, but now I'm imagining Sith with glowing red lightsaber cocks.

Palpatine should be dead when Vader throws him down the pit, end of story. Him coming back at all like he's a slasher villain is lame.

>>55790 I went to the graveyard today due to a relative passing, I was parked next to a gravestone. Their last name was "Raper".

>>55793 The grave I was parked next to, not my family member, to clarify.

>>55723 >Rimuru is a hairs breadth away from being a Xianxia protagonist …I haven't been keeping up, but this doesn't seem accurate as far as the first season showed.

>>55793 I'm sorry for your loss. The loss of your relative, that is. But that is a sincerely unfortunate last name.

>>55793 Good thing we don't live in a comic book setting or else their first name would have been Imma and they'd have certainly been a super villain.

Hey Gene, if i took Arch-Dreamer could i try ascending to higher realties like Hypnos and his one friend did?

>>55797 Their name would be Irma, as it's an actual name. It's also means whole/complete/entire, so they'd definitely want to rape all of someone's holes

>>55796 >>55794 It was the person on the grave's name. Luckily, my family name is fine.

>>55795 >pic I remember near the end of a story the MC had like four people approaching his power level, one of which was a mind-controlled enemy, and he sealed his realm away in some Xianxia Space Anomaly mcguffin thing, and when he came back after another powerup the mind control long since broke but the guy pretended it was still active and kept his position because he got stockholmed over millennia to view the people who near worshipped him as allies and the place he was ordered to protect as his home.

>>55601 Meet interesting people, explore interesting places.

Why are all the older threads gone from the catalog? i thought they were meant to go away one at a time with each new thread.

>>55803 They were hidden to not clutter the catalogue, you can still find them with links.

>>55804 Is there a way to unhide them?

Goth doe!

>>55259 You can not tell me the Kengan author isn't taking the piss at this point. He's literally lampooning.

>>55806 So how long will this latest obsession last before you cease your periodic spam?

>>55805 Not unless you're 9anon.

>>55808 You could just ask that they post slugcats again.

>>55810 I'd really rather he posted neither, but that's probably too much to ask.

>>55793 The universe's sense of humor does not disappoint, as expected.

>>55811 It is very easy to filter him so you never see his posts again.

>>55805 The sticky has links to all of the old threads if you're looking for a specific one.

>>55813 Can confirm, filtering him vastly improves thread quality

>>55752 I recall that in one of the Vadar novels, Sidious mentally notes that Vadar isn't nearly as crippled as he might seem to be. He actually has the potential to regain nearly his full potential similar to how the loss of his original arm didn't dramatically reduce his potential in the Force after his defeat of Dooku. But that Vadar's mental hangups create a self-fulfilling prophecy where he's much weaker than he should be. That isn't to say that Vadar would be unaffected by his state but rather that his potential should still be well above Sidious's own. Really, Sidious's entire relationship with Vadar becomes strained due to Vadar's broken mental state after his defeat on Mustafar and the death of Padme. Sidious keeps telling Vadar that the Jedi don't matter, that as long as the Sith control the Empire hunting every single surviving Jedi down isn't going to change anything. He keeps telling Vadar that he needs to let go of the past and realize his true potential as a Sith. Because in Vadar's head he's still a Jedi, if one that's fallen to the dark side. And Sidious becomes increasingly annoyed both at his insistence on clinging to that and his inability to cope with his trauma and regain his full potential. Despite having gained control of the galaxy, Sidious lost his perfect apprentice in the process. Vadar is just a broken, traumatized man unable to let go of his past to move forward with his life as a Sith. And that, according to Sidious, is why he's unable to ever regain his old potential. His physical injuries are relatively insignificant compared to that.

Does anyone know of more perks like [CONSUME] [INTEGRATE] from Alchemical Solutions that would make your very similar powers integrate with each other to form a better whole? I offer paymet in the coin of the realm.

>>55816 VADER

>>55816 >VADAR VADAR VADAR VADAR

>>55818 >>55819 Darth Vadar is this guy >>55776

>>55818 >>55819 Autocorrect fucks me as usual.

>>55710 He’s buffed from being played by a Korean, the intended game design is for that fat frog to absolutely bootyblast a longtime player who otherwise hasn’t invested significant parts of his brain into learning the frog’s attack patterns. >>55708 Technically yes but that is the point of leverage i need to start working with to get certain “absolutes are no longer absolute” perks to start working, like The Loki Life from Waltraute. >>55740 Also I refuse to ignore them because I’m here to kill the Outer Gods and they are components of an Outer God, by all the Outer Gods I mean all the Outer Gods in their entirety.

>>55823 >Also I refuse to ignore them because I’m here to kill the Outer Gods and they are components of an Outer God, by all the Outer Gods I mean all the Outer Gods in their entirety. Que Azathoth as a teenage girl doing cute things in the background.

>>55823 >Also I refuse to ignore them because I’m here to kill the Outer Gods and they are components of an Outer God Isn't it literally the opposite based on what you and Argent are saying with the Archetypes being the actual thing and the Outer Gods as the components?

Best magic or option for turning an inhuman creature into a fully functional human being? I've been thinking about Fairy Tail lately, and am wondering what the best way to "fix" and later waifu Irene Belsarion would be.

Stupid battletech question, did the Clans have the ability to talk to their planets without ComStar prior to returning to contact/invade with the Inner Sphere?

>>55826 Body Granter from Wadanohara and the Great Blue Sea, Human from from Journey to the West, and Charismatic Transformation from Thailand Mythology should all be able to do it?

>>55828 >Wadanohara I need to read this at some point

>>55827 Yes. HPGs are just a different application of the local FTL travel and the clans didn't lose the tech like the Inner Sphere did. https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hyperpulse_Generator

>>55829 Wadanohara's a videogame. The jump's good though

>>55744 From what I've heard of Eternal Tails, what about an innocent Selfcest clone of Tails that retains the immortality, but not the memory and ennui?

>>55825 I’m saying that I have to get rid of the actual things to fully get rid of the components, otherwise there WILL be spare components floating around. Somewhere. Or sleeping uselessly in caves. Or dooting.

>>55817 Reuniting the Nine, Attack on Titan

>>55833 Hey shard, about the inferno demons and their testaments, it directly increases their rank? Just straight up? And the highest success bracket does it twice? Am I reading this right? Can some random dipshit imp convince any useless mortal to write like 5 good fanfics about him and become more powerful than god in less than a week?

>>55835 >it directly increases their rank? Yep. >Just straight up? Yep. >And the highest success bracket does it twice? Yep. >Am I reading this right? Mostly. >Can some random dipshit The implicit limitation is that above the Dominion rank (so, Archdemon when the system just kinda breaks down and White Wolf cowards out of giving actual ystats to living plot devices) the Testaments have to be VERY complex/well-written fanfiction given archdemons are stated to struggle with interacting with reality and also the fact that, you know, the nWoD is not portrayed as in imminent danger of being cosmologically raped by a Lower Depths entity meming itself into existence through the phrase “chicken jockey” or somesuch. But assuming you clear the writing competency, yes.

>>55836 Wow. Awesome!

>Shard spent his whole chain fighting Outer Gods >There were canonically BIGGER OUTER GODS the whole time It's honestly kinda funny.

>>55838 Hey man, I’ve been aware of the BIGGER OUTER GODS since forever. It’s why I haven’t stopped jumping.

>>55838 Yog-sloppa has always been one of the more popular characters of the mythos. At least next to nyarapotato.

>>55836 >the nWoD is not portrayed as in imminent danger of being cosmologically raped by a Lower Depths entity meming itself into existence through the phrase “chicken jockey” or somesuch Yeah, they need to convince a Moros with a hobby for cypher coding to play a horror ARG instead.

What are some low end shonens ala Kengan/Baki?

>>55842 Hunter X hunter?

>>55843 >Laughs in Dark Continent

>>55842 Fairy tail maybe.

>>55843 >>55845 You niggas don't understand low power do you >>55842 kenichi the mightiest disciple

>>55842 Hajime no Ippo, which is definitely lower than both.

>>55783 >>55784 I'm kinda worried but what is the thesis? I never saw it.

>>55842 Kinnikuman.

>>55842 >immune to swords, faster than bullets, casually manhandle trucks and >punches an earthquake into submission >>55846 >tanks a nuke

Alright, we've got fucking a million new lore dumps or whatever from Nightreign. Do we actually know what the fuck the Dark Moon is? Is it an Outer God, is it a sentient part of the Primeval Current? Like what the fuck is it? It's obviously intelligent given its interactions with the Carian royal family, its place within Ranni's plans, and its establishment of its own Order within Liurnia which fought against the Golden Order until it and the Greater Will eventually negotiated a cooperative "truce" of sorts. But what the fuck is it? Ymir thinks it's not an actual thing but he's a retard who clearly has no clue what he's fucking talking about when it comes to a lot of things. Also, there's the Sword of Night in SotE. Is it related to the Night from Nightreign??? Because it sure as fuck LOOKS like it should be. Is the Night a thing in Elden Ring already and it's like the Frenzied Flame and all the other apocalyptic shit that's just kind of battering on the door in the background?

>>55817 reincarnated as slime had a perk to fuse your skills in general in a better whole.

>>55850 In my defense I did give the same average power level, disregarding outliers. The majority ain't that tough. Also has yujiro ever did anything as impresseve as the earthquake feat?

Anyone know if Prester'sAnon comes on here? I wanted to ask how broad your choices can be for A Fine Piece in his Fallen London jump. Like whether you can pick something broad like 'dancing' or it has to be specific forms, like ballet. Jump mentions ballet and opera as examples, which seems to mean 'specific forms', but then also lists fashion, which is a lot broader.

>>55744 Please let me companion the funny ayyy lmaos.

>>55853 dont worry about anon he's baiting. IIRC no, Yujiro roughly caps out at 'anime dinosaur' tier

>>55856 > 'anime dinosaur' tier This just raises more questions.

>>55559 Oh that's evil. I can dig. >>55560 Oh right, there were a lot of interesting ones in Mystery Dungeon, I vaguely recall that. >>55566 Likely not. >>55567 Tying it into growth magic with strange applications does seem quite cool. Seems to fit with the concept well. >>55570 That seems to be one of the primary examples, magic that starts small and then grows over time once planted. Since I have a lot of curses, that's likely one of the main ways it would work.

In preparation for my Lovecraft build: Can anyone please post the flatland update that never got uploaded, the one with the perk, to pull down higher dimensional entities down to lower dimensions and reducing their many angles? I don't have it anymore

>>55856 >he's baiting One small problem with that: We already banned Timmy.

9anon, you might consider a nosebleed drawback for CFA. It's an anime trope but they suck to actually have. No I didn't have one before anyone asks, I just thought of it.

>>55022 What would a custom Authority that lets me transform into these three cost?

>>55863 If you just mean shapeshifting that would probably be possible as a 200 one, if you want all their powers. . . that would probably cost more than summoning/empowering them as a subordinate so probably 600.

>>55864 I was thinking full powers, so 600 it is.

>>55862 Already in notes.

>>55866 Cool, sorry for the bother then.

>>55866 Hows the jump going btw? I haven't been keeping up with your streams but I've seen you mention it a couple of times.

>>55860 Here you go, anon.

>>55850 Technically speaking the Elder didn't tank a nuke. The Elder tanked the explosion of an ICBM. That ICBM may not have been nuclear, and even if it was nuclear destroying the missile doesn't necessarily set of the nuclear package.

>>55869 Great, thanks anon

>>55870 >Didn't tank a nuke Rather I should say may or may not have tanked a nuke. It's somewhat inconclusive. He did punch an ICBM out of the sky though. He also uses tanks as shurikens at one point if I remember correctly. The Elder had some crazy ass feats and was a pretty big outlier like the other anon said. There's a reason they called him Superman in setting.

>>55861 >Implying all trolls are Timmy Listen Timmy exists, and he is a troll, and if we've banned him here that is great. But just because Timmy is a troll that doesn't mean every time there's trolling it's Timmy.

>>55567 The Mirulaka, and most near human species to be frank, are kind of boring as fuck. They aren't even funny forehead aliens like the twilek and togruta they're literally just people in blindfolds.

>>55849 Isn't that the alien wrestlers one? I remember some pretty crazy shit happening from my vague memories of saturday morning cartoons.

>>55851 >Do we actually know what the fuck the Dark Moon is? Implications are that it and the other Moons as re Outer Gods, but it's left vague enough that you can say whatever. >Also, there's the Sword of Night in SotE. Is it related to the Night from Nightreign??? Because it sure as fuck LOOKS like it should be. Is the Night a thing in Elden Ring already and it's like the Frenzied Flame and all the other apocalyptic shit that's just kind of battering on the door in the background? The Night probably does exist already, but so long as the Nightfarers hold the line, it literally can't invade the Lands Between proper - its limited to the portion it had severed out of reality in the form of Limgrave. And so long as you don't get those two secret endings, the ending essentially shows Heolstor just fucking off after what is presumably the Golden Order has been restored/stabilized so it no longer has an opening to invade in the first place.

>>55873 >Second Bait: Sheer Heart Attack anon looked...

>>55823 >Also I refuse to ignore them because I’m here to kill the Outer Gods and they are components of an Outer God, by all the Outer Gods I mean all the Outer Gods in their entirety. It's the other way around though - the Outer Gods are components of /them/. And again, if you can harm the Supreme Archetype at all, then you don't need to bother with the Outer Gods - if the Supreme Archetype goes, everything else goes too. It will also most likely just accept your intentions and tell you point blank the fastest way towards doing this, given it seems genuinely helpful and intent on granting people the means to enlightenment both as itself and through Umr-at-Tawil.

Do any of the Star Wars jumps have a custom race builder/option? I like the idea of being a human/near-human Ysalamiri hybrid and just fucking up a force users day.

>>55868 The skeleton could use a touch more filling out, but is otherwise ready for the enfluffening stream on Satuday.

>>55878 >It's the other way around though - the Outer Gods are components of /them/. Yes I understand that, I'm saying I have to get rid of them to be certain I get rid of all the Outer Gods >given it seems genuinely helpful and intent on granting people the means to enlightenment both as itself and through Umr-at-Tawil. I will NOT accept it's claims at face value when bits of it are Outer Gods. >>55851 >Dark Moon We had less than no clarity given an additional darkness-based implicitly-divine being supposedly born from the Fracturing showed up instead. >Sword of Night No clear relation. >Is the Night a thing in Elden Ring It's already a thing, but from what we can tell the events of Nightreign decided to make it leave and never come back before the events of Elden Ring started.

I know almost nothing of Lovecraft Mythos, but to my understanding, unless you are omnipotent enough to rewrite the immutable underpinnings of reality to decide existance they have not much meaning talking about, they, especially the supreme one, are simply the idea things exist, with no ability to change it, nor to be changed by it. That's a good part of why they're so unapprochable, Lovecraft didn't write shonen, most of the time, this ineffability doesn't need to be challenged or changed.

>>55881 >I will NOT accept it's claims at face value when bits of it are Outer Gods. Again, the Outer Gods have no bearing on it. It's completely immutable and not subject to change or time, like all other Archetypes. The fact it treats Randolph Carter, a normal human, completely kindly and tells him outright through Umr-at-Tawil that it will not only send him home perfectly intact if he doesn't want to proceed past the Ultimate Gate, but that it freely explains it has guided many other beings - human and otherwise - to enlightenment purely because it could is something that immediately morally contrasts with every other cosmic being in Lovecraft. Compare that to Nyarlathotep, who is /the/ heart and soul of all the Outer Gods, and is completely malign as a reflection of his masters. The Supreme Archetype further goes out of its way to piece Carter back together, perfect continuity of consciousness and all, after accidentally shattering him by speaking with multiverse-crushing force and then explains to him all the cosmic truths of existence in a way he can understand so he does NOT go insane. The Supreme Archetype is pretty much perfectly benign - which I suspect is part of the reason why it was never adopted by the wider Lovecraft Circle. If you went up and asked Umr-at-Tawil "how do I permanently kill the Outer Gods and the Supreme Archetype", I'm pretty certain it would just sit you down and explain in detail how you can pull it off even if it couldn't precisely define how you destroy the Archetypes themselves.

>>55882 >unless you are omnipotent enough to rewrite the immutable underpinnings of reality to decide existance they have not much meaning talking about That essentially describes every meaningful conflict in my chain after a certain point, yes. >>55883 >It's completely immutable and not subject to change or time I am aware of this yes, I am saying I need to start somewhere once I start leveraging my OOC to change that-not implying that it's dependent on Outer Gods to exist, but because I want to enact the eventual outcome of "destroy all Outer Gods and anything Outer Gods are in any sense a part of" I want to start by attacking the presumed Archetype of Outer Gods as a starting point for the large scale ontological attack I will use to annihilate the Supreme Archetype, similar to how smaller scale activities and Mystery Plays can precede an Imperial Working amongst nWoD archmages. >Randolph Carter >human or otherwise The fact that it allows Outer Gods, a demonstrable impediment to enlightenment, to exist at all is unforgivable. Or to put it more accurately, the fact that it's unchangeable structure includes Outer Gods is enough of a reason to get rid of it entirely. >If you went up and asked Umr-at-Tawil "how do I permanently kill the Outer Gods and the Supreme Archetype I don't trust it's answers because again, it generated Outer Gods. I would just start swearing with multiverse-crushing force and debating the cosmic truths of existence until they mean something different if it dared speak to me like that.

>>55884 >That essentially describes every meaningful conflict in my chain after a certain point, yes. Yes, I wasn't arguing with you, it was a general analysis.

>>55881 >>55883 Look at it from this perspective instead, Shard - if you took the Gardener and replaced its deep-seated personal flaws with a status of immutability that renders it literally incapable of enacting change or being changed itself but otherwise altered nothing about it, then that's basically the Supreme Archetype. "Parts of it are Outer Gods" doesn't mean much because those have no bearing on it. There is no difference between an average human and an Outer God because once you get to the level of Archetypes, these are the exact same thing - their existence only seeming separate because of the illusion of time and change perceived by things that are not Archetypes. The Outer Gods ultimately don't matter at all at these stages. It's like blaming the Gardener for the Winnower continuing to exist, except worse because those two at least have agency. >>55884 >The fact that it allows Outer Gods, a demonstrable impediment to enlightenment, to exist at all is unforgivable. It doesn't have the power to alter this, Shard. It doesn't even have the concept of altering this to begin with. >Or to put it more accurately, the fact that it's unchangeable structure includes Outer Gods is enough of a reason to get rid of it entirely. And like I pointed out, it's not going to resist or oppose you. It has no reason to. >I don't trust it's answers because again, it generated Outer Gods. It doesn't 'generate' them at all - they exist because they have always existed. Because everything has always existed and always will. You're essentially treating it like it's a traditional creator God, when the point is that it's neither a creator, destroyer, nor anything inbetween. It's structure generates nothing and imposes nothing because everything has always happened and will always happen.

Good night guys. So long as things go to plan I should have something to show tomorrow.

>>55887 Night, WoL.

>>55764 Absolutely that will be included. The ability to induce sentience (and intent) into others through alien power will be available (although expensive). >>55767 I'm alright with a fangame toggle but given CogDis already has its own jump, I don't see a reason to include that. Projects like Mother: Encore make perfect sense to be included, though. Perks based on Giegue are planned. There will be both an 'alien' (extraterrestrial) origin and a Giegue species option. The former will merely make you arrive from outerspace (even if an Earth species like Human) while the latter will make you belong to Giegue's species. Both can be taken concurrently with one another (and the Giegue species option may require the alien origin). This is to allow jumpers to play humans who come from other planets that humanity has populated (possibly foreshadowing Tazmily) or come from an alien space station like George returned from canonically. >>55832 There will be an option to get a Tails clone as a companion. There will also be the option to be a tails clone as a unique species that will post-jump count as an alt form. >>55855 Absolutely will be an option. "Bad person" origin will be able to companion Giegue/Giygas at a discount (ala Porky), a UFO, and a Starman will be a companion option.

>>55881 >We had less than no clarity I mean, we had some historical data and explanation. For example, we know that the Dark Moon essentially chose the Carian royal family as its version of an Elden Lord. We know that it disseminates the knowledge of Glintstone Sorcery to those within its sphere of influence. We know that it established its own Lunar Order in the Kingdom of Liurnia, one that was entirely different metaphysically from the Golden Order established by Marika but equally powerful since the Carian Knights were able to contend blow-for-blow with Leyndell in its heyday and the mythical Prime!Rennala was able to directly fight Radagon to such a degree that he/Marika was forced to the negotiating table. We know that the Dark Moon is the most diplomatic of the Whatever-The-Fuck-All-These-Celestial-Beings-Are-Called, considering it was willing to hash out an arrangement with the Golden Order instead of playing genocide musical chairs like the rest of these Outer Gods did. So we know, generally speaking, that the Dark Moon is something that exists in the firmament above the Lands Between, that it's related in some capacity to Glintstone Sorcery and the Primeval Current, and that it's somewhat more scholarly/intellectual than the Greater Will seems to be. We know that the Dark Moon can assume various forms (as it did between Rennala and Ranni) and that it shares different knowledge with different people depending on what they want/how they perceive the world. We know that it's at least amicable to the prospect of picking up the Greater Will's slack and establishing a new Order under Ranni since that's essentially what her ending does. But aside from basically casting down its version of the Elden Ring/the Lunar Order, it's amicable to just letting Ranni do whatever she wants. Which is kind of irresponsible, I guess. But the fucking Greater Will did exactly the same thing so I guess we can't be throwing too many stones here. Apparently Outer Gods or whatever the fuck these things are have very little sense of accountability. In fact, they're damn near borderline naive in how they just kind of throw shit down and expect the mortals to understand and use it responsibly. It's Old Testament God being like, "What the fuck do you mean you screwed it up? I literally warped fucking reality for you to create a utopia, why have you built an oppressive fascist theocracy???"

>>55885 Alright, thanks for clarifying. >>55886 >the Gardener...is basically the Supreme Archetype I do not accept this. The sum totality of experiences and the development of life in the Lovecraftian cosmos demonstrates at best an alien indifference to not just mortal life, but even advanced races like the Many-Angled Ones are subject to violence, usurpation and torpor at the decree of inscrutable cosmic cycles. It demonstrates a humanity that is exactly as helpless and vulnerable as a mentally ill shut-in with a loose circle of horror writer friends would envision it being. It demonstrates voracious, atavistic gods and a collective emanation made of sheer malice. Worst of all it demonstrates NO provable concern for the immeasurable suffering it's infinite, timeless structure implicitly causes by allowing all these terrible things to happen-look at it this way, from it's perspective Randolph Carter's endeavours were always doomed to end with him being formlocked into an alien body. The Gardener was annoyed and grieved by the Flower Game. The Supreme Archetype exists in a state where the Great Old Ones and Outer Gods are the dominant form of life, and as far as anyone can tell is at peace with this state of affairs. That is unacceptable. >It doesn't have the power to alter this I know. That is why it must be destroyed. >it's not going to resist or oppose you I'm not sure it's fair or prudent to assume unprovable assumptions for beings that are by definition not just beyond human and possibly divine comprehension, but beyond the comprehension of Lovecraft to actually convey. Either way, it's irrelevant because it's mere existence is an obstacle to me. It's unchangeable nature perpetuates the madness and horror of the Outer Gods, so it's opinion is irrelevant; it simply must be destroyed. >they exist because they have always existed The distinction is meaningless to me. If it has always existed, then it has always deserved to be destroyed. The structure being constant doesn't change the fact that it is fundamentally flawed.

>>55887 Sleep well.

>>55889 Thank you charanon, you are the coolest jumpmaker.

>>55890 Oh uh, just to clarify I meant that Nightreign specifically didn't introduce anything new about the Dark Moon as far as I can tell, we do have circumstantial evidence about the Dark Moon (which honestly makes more sense as an Outer God than not, just because a big damn moon appears in Ranni's ending instead of the sky not changing at all, something Elden Ring does not establish mundane inanimate objects are capable of) it's just that Nightreign didn't really contibute to it.

>>55889 I don't trust you. I can't trust anyone who's obsessed with Chara from Undertale.

What exactly would the Supreme Archetype count as "change" and how would it react if i actually DID change something?

>>55891 >The sum totality of experiences and the development of life in the Lovecraftian cosmos demonstrates at best an alien indifference to not just mortal life, but even advanced races like the Many-Angled Ones are subject to violence, usurpation and torpor at the decree of inscrutable cosmic cycles As I said, none of that is under its control. >Worst of all it demonstrates NO provable concern for the immeasurable suffering it's infinite, timeless structure implicitly causes by allowing all these terrible things to happen-look at it this way, from it's perspective Randolph Carter's endeavours were always doomed to end with him being formlocked into an alien body. It literally only did that to show him that everything he thinks of as 'separate' is just a part of 'himself' from a different perspective. And given that Carter very rapidly figured out how to usurp control of said body almost in totality and essentially gained a nigh-immortal alien warlock body for his troubles, it was pretty much a better trade-up than he had ever anticipated. >The Gardener was annoyed and grieved by the Flower Game. The Supreme Archetype exists in a state where the Great Old Ones and Outer Gods are the dominant form of life, and as far as anyone can tell is at peace with this state of affairs. I don't think "literally can't change anything but is still willing to help things as tiny as average humans attain cosmic enlightenment" counts as "being at peace with this state of affairs". It simply cannot alter anything in any way, which does not mean something is predisposed towards suffering by default. The difference is that the Gardener cou.d open the Flower Game to being nomic and open to change, it could deny the so-called inevitability of the Final Shape. The Supreme Archetype definitionally...cannot do this. Given how much it is willing to help Carter despite having literally no reason to both because of sheer scale and the fact that nothing it does matters since change is false, I think the Supreme Archetype truly does want to be a kind and caring God as much as its circumstances allow it to be. It cannot be purely like the Gardener simply because it has no capacity to act in that manner, no agency at all to defy it's own immutability. >I'm not sure it's fair or prudent to assume unprovable assumptions for beings that are by definition not just beyond human and possibly divine comprehension, but beyond the comprehension of Lovecraft to actually convey. It pretty clearly demonstrates that its sole 'goal', both as Umr-at-Tawil and as itself, is purely to encourage and guide enlightenment in beings who wish to step beyond the Ultiamte Gate into the domain of the Archetypes. If enlightenment- or your personal definition of it - entails that it must be first removed to do so, then there's no reason for it to object. Heck, by the very nature of it, it would /have/ to accept it because its removal would be as set in stone as anything else. I'm not telling you not to destroy it if that's the chain goal for you, Shard. I'm simply pointing out that not only is conflict with the Outer Gods irrelevant if you're facing down the Supreme Archetype anyway, but that the Supreme Archetype has shown itself as benign but limited by the very fact that it is immutable and change isn't a thing. If you flat out told and showed to it how the Outer Gods bring objective suffering to lesser beings from their perspective as well as opened its immutability to alteration by itself, then based on what Silver Key itself depicts, there's no reason why it wouldn't try to resolve this directly.

>>55894 Ah, gotcha. I was just pointing out that we do know some things about it in base Elden Ring. In fact, we know more about the Dark Moon than we do about the Greater Will. Except, whatever the hell it is, apparently. Since it's implied to not be like the other Outer Gods. But then you could just as easily argue that all of our information on it comes from biased sources one way or another. It could be Outer Gods all the way down, including the Greater Will, and everybody's insistence that ackshually THEIR God is way cooler and stronger and specialer than all the other weird stupid fake Gods is just mortals at work.

>>55896 >Time, the waves went on, is motionless, and without beginning or end. That it has motion, and is the cause of change, is an illusion. Indeed, it is itself really an illusion, for except to the narrow sight of beings in limited dimensions there are no such things as past, present, and future. Men think of time only because of what they call change, yet that too is illusion. All that was, and is, and is to be, exists simultaneously. >These revelations came with a godlike solemnity which left Carter unable to doubt. Even though they lay almost beyond his comprehension, he felt that they must be true in the light of that final cosmic reality which belies all local perspectives and narrow partial views; and he was familiar enough with profound speculations to be free from the bondage of local and partial conceptions. Had his whole quest not been based upon a faith in the unreality of the local and partial? >After an impressive pause the waves continued, saying that what the denizens of few-dimensioned zones call change is merely a function of their consciousness, which views the external world from various cosmic angles. As the shapes produced by the cutting of a cone seem to vary with the angles of cutting—being circle, ellipse, parabola, or hyperbola according to that angle, yet without any change in the cone itself—so do the local aspects of an unchanged and endless reality seem to change with the cosmic angle of regarding. To this variety of angles of consciousness the feeble beings of the inner worlds are slaves, since with rare exceptions they cannot learn to control them. Only a few students of forbidden things have gained inklings of this control, and have thereby conquered time and change. But the entities outside the Gates command all angles, and view the myriad parts of the cosmos in terms of fragmentary, change-involving perspective, or of the changeless totality beyond perspective, in accordance with their will. Basically, everything that has ever existed, is to exist, and had existed all exist simultaneously and in a singular motionless state. There is no past, present, or future - everything is completely static. >and how would it react if i actually DID change something? Probably react with pleasant surprise and congratulate you. It is incredibly chill, as shown when even when Carter stands directly before it, it offers to send him home perfectly fine if he's not ready to learn about the true nature of reality: >And now the BEING was addressing the Carter-facet in prodigious waves that smote and burned and thundered—a concentration of energy that blasted its recipient with well-nigh unendurable violence, and that followed, with certain definite variations, the singular unearthly rhythm which had marked the chanting and swaying of the Ancient Ones, and the flickering of the monstrous lights, in that baffling region beyond the First Gate. It was as though suns and worlds and universes had converged upon one point whose very position in space they had conspired to annihilate with an impact of resistless fury. But amidst the greater terror one lesser terror was diminished; for the searing waves appeared somehow to isolate the beyond-the-gate Carter from his infinity of duplicates—to restore, as it were, a certain amount of the illusion of identity. After a time the hearer began to translate the waves into speech-forms known to him, and his sense of horror and oppression waned. Fright became pure awe, and what had seemed blasphemously abnormal seemed now only ineffably majestic. >"Randolph Carter," IT seemed to say, "MY manifestations on your planet's extension, the Ancient Ones, have sent you as one who would lately have returned to small lands of dream which he had lost, yet who with greater freedom has risen to greater and nobler desires and curiosities. You wished to sail up golden Oukranos, to search out forgotten ivory cities in orchid-heavy Kled, and to reign on the opal throne of Ilek-Vad, whose fabulous towers and numberless domes rise mighty toward a single red star in a firmament alien to your earth and to all matter. Now, with the passing of two Gates, you wish loftier things. You would not flee like a child from a scene disliked to a dream beloved, but would plunge like a man into that last and inmost of secrets which lies behind all scenes and dreams. >"What you wish, I have found good; and I am ready to grant that which I have granted eleven times only to beings of your planet—five times only to those you call men, or those resembling them. I am ready to shew you the Ultimate Mystery, to look on which is to blast a feeble spirit. Yet before you gaze full at that last and first of secrets you may still wield a free choice, and return if you will through the two Gates with the Veil still unrent before your eyes." The above passage further supports my point that the Supreme Archetype is inherently good, given it outright praises Carter for his noble and earnest desires and wholeheartedly offers him the opportunity to understand the truths of reality because of it. And it still simply offers to send him back home if that's not his wish.

>>55887 Good night WoL

Does all this lovecraft stuff mean Shard's lawfagging and complete hatred for Outer Gods is actually going to directly have negative consequences for him?

>>55901 Lol. Lmao even.

>>55891 >>55897 >Worst of all it demonstrates NO provable concern for the immeasurable suffering it's infinite, timeless structure implicitly causes by allowing all these terrible things to happen-look at it this way, from it's perspective Randolph Carter's endeavours were always doomed to end with him being formlocked into an alien body. Also, further correction on this part; this didn't happen because the Supreme Archetype intended to strand Carter in the body of an alien wizard at all, but because like I said, it projected his mind into one of his infinite counterparts so Carter could experience such a perspective for himself. Carter simply wasn't paying enough attention when he was being told how to undo that particular change, so he ended up stuck. So it isn't even the Supreme Archetype's fault, but purely Carter getting distracted and then not recalling what he was just taught to rectify the change. >>55901 Yes. Shard himself has repeatedly alluded to the fact his jumper is going to ruin everything for everyone by the end of his chain.

>>55901 Yes, Shard is a paper dragon.

>>55901 It means he's truing to destroy all of reality again.

I hope your waifus look at you like Alfa look at Cid in this picture.

>>55903 I think Shard is more trying to argue that the Supreme Archetype shows no concern for Carter's end, depite knowing his fate, nor despairing about the eternal suffering of humanity that its structure implies, rather than being responsible of it. Shard's jumper despises the structure of existance the supreme archetype embodies, even if it actively doesn't torment humans.

Favorite low-level (street-level or below) jumps for intelligence perks?

>>55908 Kengan Ashura has one where you can create sci-fi level shit in it.

>>55907 >even if it actively doesn't torment humans. It made humans as Kult humans who just return to their original bodies when they die, how many more handouts do you want from literal God?

>>55906 She does. Everyone I know gets really worried when I stare at her, though. Especially if I talk to her.

>>55908 Parasyte >Brightest - 600cp, Cranial Parasyte A parasyte's highly efficient brain can absorb vast amounts of knowledge quickly and with near-perfect recall - fast enough to learn conversational Japanese in a single day – but your mind is efficient and bright even among parasytes. In addition to a genius level intellect, you learn 'pure facts' in a single recitation or a new language in mere hours. Practical skills, like sports, take longer as you have to work out how to move (or morph) your body rather than just memorising rote knowledge. >This is also a significant boost to your multi-tasking ability, letting you easily direct both your parasyte body and your host body at once as you morph, attack and move all at once.

>>55907 I can understand that, but Carter's fate ultimately didn't end in suffering despite him getting stuck in the body of an alien wizard (which only happened because Carter wasn't paying enough attention when it was telling him how to avoid this) and it simply became a net positive for him overall. And it can't actively despair at humanity's "eternal suffering" because 1) it can't actively change anything to begin with and 2) suffering is ultimately a limitation perceived by people's inability to comprehend the truth of reality- every single human, per Silver Key's own cosmology, is simultaneously themselves, their own ancestors and descendants, as well as cosmic gods and reslity-altering space wizards. The Supreme Archetype's act of enlightenment is specifically to show people this. If you could grant it the ability to alter its own structure or even simply mass enlighten everyone without having them taking trips through the Ultimate Gate, then 'suffering' would instantly cease to exist because everyone would essentially become a Worm Entity on crack. Shard has the means to do this with all the OCP he's gathered, so any continued suffering on part of the Supreme Archetype's inaction is literally being perpetuated by him in order to validate his rhetoric. Also, the very first thing it shows to Carter implies it actually does NOT like how the Gods of Earth are petty and vain dicks who demand praise and sacrifice and worship in an affront to reason: >"I accept. I will not retreat." >The waves surged forth again, and Carter knew that the BEING had heard. And now there poured from that limitless MIND a flood of knowledge and explanation which opened new vistas to the seeker, and prepared him for such a grasp of the cosmos as he had never hoped to possess. He was told how childish and limited is the notion of a tri-dimensional world, and what an infinity of directions there are besides the known directions of up-down, forward-backward, right-left. He was shewn the smallness and tinsel emptiness of the little gods of earth, with their petty, human interests and connexions—their hatreds, rages, loves, and vanities; their craving for praise and sacrifice, and their demands for faith contrary to reason and Nature.

>>55896 i don't know anything about the setting but arguably simply entering the jump would add something that before wasn't to the universe and may be counted as change

>God is real and actively protects humans >Humans are actually sentiant stars wearing meatsuits that just return to their original forms when they die until they find another meatsuit >The Supreme Being (Who might be same God as the one previously mentioned) is actually a really chill dude that just wants to help people reach enlightenment >Oh yeah there are also these losers that call themselves "Great Old Ones/Outer Gods" that always get BTFO by random humans trolling them (Carter) or turning them into a waifu (Henderson) whenever they get too bratty and need correction THIS setting is the great grandaddy of Cosmic Horror?

>>55739 >Lu Bu, at least when you first meet him, will absolutely kick the shit out of you, so you're supposed to run from him or avoid him or, of course, not to pursue him. >players like me who pursue and win anyway:

>>55915 It's a commentary on how cosmic horror isn't scary once you know the cosmic reality that a being infinitely above material existence loves you and died for you so you can be immortal with him forever

Is it possible to know how to use the light and dark side of the force simultaneously or is it like a meter where you're on one side or the other and whichever side the meter's further on is the one you can use effectively?

>>55918 I believe those are called Gray Jedi, are they not?

>>55918 It is but it's inherently less effective than minmaxxing into either since the Dark Side feeds off emotions and the Light Side doesn't jive with anger and hatred. Grey Jedi exist and can use both but the most powerful Grey Jedi have (as far as I recall) have never exceeded the strength of the strongest jedi or sith, and for a reason. Jedi are effectively followers of slave morality while the sith are adherents to master morality. Trying to blend the two incompatible philosophies will result in an inherent weakness of character. Either can be valid viewpoints, throw them together and you get contradictions up the wazoo.

>>55918 I know this is a bit of a non answer, but it really depends on what source material you decide has primacy for you. Are we talking Video Games? If so which one? Are we talking Legends? Cause then it kind of depends on which author you want to favor or if you want to go into the comics or not. Disney canon? Basically depending on which version of star wars you subscribe to it goes a bunch of different ways. There are examples of Grey Jedi that use both quite effectively. There are also Grey Jedi who were absolute jobbers. I personally tend to lean more towards the idea that it is possible for one individual to use both and that the Jedi and the Sith perpetuate a bit of a false dichotomy based on the star wars media I have consumed and enjoy. However the more orthodox or mainstream opinion these days is probably closer to >>55920. Grey Jedi as a concept have fallen out of favor with the fandom I think. Used to be hella popular and showed up all over the place, but it's dying down. Probably because they came off as kinda mary sue ish. "Look at me I can use both sides of the force and the dark side doesn't really fuck me over in meaningful ways" and all that.

I Wonder how the Supreme Archetype being a good guy that wants to help but can't because everything is part of him and everything part of him is immutable interacts with Shard's chain where all the different settings beyond it exist and can actually interact with eachother. What if Shard's chain was actually a keikaku by the Supreme Archetype to save everyone in his setting?

Is there a Phineas and Ferb jump from this community?

>>55897 >none of that is under its control And as I said, that is irrelevant for the purposes of the annihilation of the Supreme Archetype being a moral imperative >it literally only did that If we’re looking to long term events as value judgements on the SA’s opinions, then the fact that Nyarlathotep inevitably crushes Earth to dust in a poem at some undefined point (presumably after all the stories) is a much better point in favour of it’s inherent awfulness. The main issue I have with your assumption of the Supreme Archetype’s benevolence is that it’s predicated on a tiny, tiny minority of entities like Randolph Carter while literal infinitudes of living beings are out there eaten, driven mad, unceremoniously sent into torpor due to cosmic cycles or exploited in incomprehensible ways. >Given how much it is willing to help Carter Given how it addresses Carter’s efforts in reaching it as the reason for it’s gift despite the fact that nominally speaking, unless we assume enlightenment bypasses it’s timeless symmetry then Carter was preordained, I’m not sure the SA’s benevolence towards a specific individual can be construed into a desire for universal enlightenment. Especially since it doesn’t encourage Carter to do so. >Heck, by the very nature of it, it would /have/ to accept it because its removal would be as set in stone as anything else. Again this is assuming enlightenment itself isn’t preordained, and in any case that would imply infinitudes of living beings are destined to never achieve nirvana due to simply not being preordained to. The Supreme Archetype may or may not desire to be a bodhisattva, but it effectively embodies samsara. It’s dialogue to Carter certianly implies that direct communion with it is the exception, and not the rule. And the problem with ascribing benevolence to it within these constraints is that taking it’s nature at face value, it doesn’t necessarily say those things because it genuinely wants anything comprehensible from a mortal point of view. It says those things because it was always going to say those things. Either the Supreme Archetype can contradict it’s own existence in which is demonstrably isn’t doing enough to save all mortal life ever from the unending cavalcade of amoral exploitation Lovecraft consistently depicts the non-SA part of his setting as, or the SA is impotent to dictate it’s own desires in which case it’s very opinions ar epreordained statements with no moral agency behind them. >there’s no reason why it wouldn’t try to resolve this directly I can think of one: It would simply tell me it’s impossible because the Outer Gods are the Outer Gods and by the nominal terms of it’s changeless existence, they simply cannot be obliterated. My evidence for this is that the Outer/Other Gods are consistently depicted as the highest powers in the setting with no meaningful rivals, despite consistently and actively doing things contrary to the SA’s presumed preferences. If the Outer Gods were meant to cast down, negated or reconciled with, it would have logiacally happened sooner. Instead, by all accounts they run what mortals perceive as reality with their little doot-doots, and reality is a mess. >>55910 The vast majority of humans never find this out, just saying. >>55901 No trust me bro, TRVE order hasn’t been tried yet. >>55903 >fault Again as I said, one of three things has to be true and mutually exclusive from the others: 1. The Supreme Archetype can contradict it’s stated premise and is therefore an actor with agency that chooses not to intervene in the actions of the Outer Gods, 2. The Supreme Archetype is somehow fallible despite transcending reality and 3. The Supreme Archetype is either indifferent to or ignorant of Carter’s mistakes. All of which is grounds for it’s obliteration. >>55913 >suffering is ultimately a limitation At best, AT BEST, the SA is doing the equivalent of tossing a few ants sugar cubes while the others drown. Your interpretation of a benign SA requires the acceptance of a SA that is simultaneously impotent to affect the majority of it’s own existence given the vast majority of Lovecraft protagonists eaten, driven into madness and despair, narrowly surviving harrowing encounters with eldritch forces and generally suffering for the crime of not being born Randolph Carter. It’s opinion on the Gods of Earth is either pointless because it’s very existence enables the Gods of Earth to perpetuate those same behaviours, in which case killing the SA is an act of mercy, or false and/or hypocritical because the SA by it’s nature encompasses and embodies the Gods of Earth. >>55922 NUH-UH, SUPREME ARCHETYPE BAD AND I BET IT FARTS LOUDLY TOO.

>>55923 No, not really the kind of thing this community makes jumps for.

>>55923 >>55925 There is.

>>55879 Dont think so but a few have a pick whatever option

>>55918 Bendu, or jedaii, or just a not psychotic sith

>>55919 Thats a fan term, technically geey jedi are just jedi who said fuck the jedi order, emotions exist.

This is an SB jump.

>>55653 Nomi Sunrider. She was such a badass.

>>55931 It really does seem like it.

Hmm. I've encountered issues with the world building in my chain. The prize I'd been seeking theoretically shouldn't be as rare as I was previously making it out to be, and people much stronger should exist than I previously though. I don't know what to do with that at the moment.

>>55924 >The vast majority of humans never find this out, just saying. Won't they all still find out EVENTUALLY and all ascended into comfy lifestyles?

>>55933 congrats, you made a shonen. Now do what they all do and ignore it and move on.

I'm sure this has to exist somewhere in Star Wars already, but imagine a dude who's a sith and a Jedi because he has split personalities and switches between them

>>55933 Wipe out a level 6 ding dong clan for the honor of the King Kong clan. Don't worry, all the big dick characters that could one shot you are busy doing something else.

>>55936 Could be funny. Or horrifying. Im just surprised the starwars talk has lasted this long, usually it burns out pretty fast.

>>55934 "Eventually" isn't good enough, especially when space-time is a higher dimensional static kaleidoscope in which the suffering of all living things is not just an ontological certainty but a fixed state from which there is no reprieve or respite, and therefore for every human that ascends there are uncountable infinitudes of which remains trapped in the travesty of a planet getting mindbroken by Nyarlathotep doing weird light shows. And also humans aren't the only things suffering. Even many of the higher order races suffer.

>>55935 I think I need to just restructure a bit since I already had ideas of what the upper end was supposed to look like, it's just that the resources are different than I imagined them to be. People like Death, some of the strongest Elder Dragons, or the Bed of Chaos are among the most powerful things around, but in terms of the system and the Awakened, my inability to keep track of information made me write conflicting information. Grade 5 Aether Crystals are supposed to be this big, hyper expensive, extremely potent thing. They're only supposed to be recoverable through a couple ways, and one was Grade 5 Dungeons which only the strongest could go deal with, but I now realize that's stupid. If all the mobs in a Grade 5 Dungeon dropped a Grade 5 Crystal, it doesn't matter if only some people could go in, there would be a lot more of them being consumed or circulated in the market. Moreso, I have a skill that allows for refining 100 of a lower grade Aether Crystal, into 1 of a higher grade crystal which is much greater than the sum of its parts, and that skill isn't impossibly rare. People could bide their time, get enough Grade 5's together if basic mobs are dropping them, and refine a Grade 6 which isn't supposed to really be a thing people have because of just how difficult and expensive it would be, even if it's acknowledge theoretically, along with Grades even further beyond it. I've structured things in a way so far that the contradictory information is now important so it creates a pretty big loophole. I might need to just bite the bullet and go back and change stuff so that Grade 6 is commonly acknowledged as the big dick highest grade crystal. That would be simplest. Guess I really did write a shonen. >>55937 Oh god no, please not the Xianxia.

>>55933 Oh thats easy, fhe resource/item is heavily controlled by those stronger people and they are busy doing whatever it takes to control and/or create it meaning a lot of their free time is taken by management. Until you become a real problem you are under their radar.

>>55940 >I've structured things in a way so far that the contradictory information is now important so it creates a pretty big loophole. I might need to just bite the bullet and go back and change stuff so that Grade 6 is commonly acknowledged as the big dick highest grade crystal. That would be simplest. Guess I really did write a shonen. Nta but just make it so the skills can't make grade 5s and only grade 5 bosses drop grade 5 crystals. The skill can still craft grade 6s because that's how the "game" is balanced.

>>55941 That should also be true, but it's a bit of a different problem. It's highly likely that only local governments or top guilds could claim the highest level dungeons, since Aether Crystals are basically the core of getting stronger or making money.

Is the Elder Scrolls the best place to learn how to make your own spells and modify any existing ones? I remember Morrowind and Oblivion being pretty extensive.

>>55944 Not really, the player characters make learning and making spells seem easy. There's a R&D process to making spells and sometimes it can get lethal depending on what exactly you want a spell to do. At best you'd just seen everything in green monochrome like in that one Skyrim quest and at worst you'd be placed in a situation you won't survive because the spell ran out like Morrowind's Icarus scrolls. So while not exactly the safest it is one of the better options for making custom spells.

>>55943 Which is why the formation of a dungeon outside of their power would be kept secret and used by underground sources as a revenue stream. Possibly by sending in large groups of disposable people to bring out goods or maybe by sending in their own teams. Or maybe the government runs a program where they allow a certain number of slots into a dungeon for locals on a rotational basis to strengthen the local population and the local government may also have a small amount of free slots to sell off or maybe raffle or give as rewards.

>>55942 Yeah, restructuring like that might help. >>55946 >Which is why the formation of a dungeon outside of their power would be kept secret and used by underground sources as a revenue stream. Possibly by sending in large groups of disposable people to bring out goods or maybe by sending in their own teams. Oh I like that, unreported dungeons are serious business due to the risk to public safety they can represent, so underground groups finding one and using it for black market trade would totally be a thing even with all the risks involved. >Or maybe the government runs a program where they allow a certain number of slots into a dungeon for locals on a rotational basis to strengthen the local population and the local government may also have a small amount of free slots to sell off or maybe raffle or give as rewards. Nah, lower grade dungeons aren't as significant so they tend to be a lot more open to the public, rented, opened, or whatever. It's the highest grade ones that are not just super dangerous but super lucrative.

I know we got perks for merging things but we got any to keep things separate? For example Campione's Authorities merge together into one with more restrictions if you somehow farm a god or just be really lucky to get multiple in the case of Godou.

>>55918 They're mutually exclusive. Attempting to balance the two results in something like Darth Gravid of the Banite sith, a man driven batshit insane, even by the standards of dark side adepts, through his attempts to wield both facets of the force. Check out the Perk Prismatic Symmetry from Shard's Destiny: The Darkness jump; this effectively nosells the otherwise certain doom of replicating Gravid's delusions.

>>55938 It lasted pretty long in the last thread too. Did Disney do something that has the fans more pissed off than usual?

>>55950 Nah it was started by Nyanko being Nyanko wondering if a guy doing a no hit playthrough of Fallen order was an accurate lowball for a Padawan with barely any training.

>>55950 No clue, Ive been playing the swtor game a lot and jedi survivor a lot though. Its got me making builds for all the jumps and taking force sensitive in all but the first one I took in the OT (which was just dumping cp into a nice ship). I kind of checked out of disney a while back and avoid any new movies from them.

Are the tiers of the Kirby (Classic) Jump for Star Power standalone or additive? I.e. For Boss, would I need to purchase Mid Boss or not? I assume not, but I am just checking it.

>>55953 Standalone, you only need to purchase the tier you want.

>>55949 >Laughs in video game player character

>>55955 That's a double edged sword though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRHhdc53Od8

Apparently Qui-Gon dying really was the WORST thing that could've possibly happened because he was more connected and obedient to the force than anyone including Yoda, so he would've seen right through that weird dark side veil thing blocking the other Jedi and known Palpatine was mega evil.

>>55957 I had a plan for the Plagueis jump that was basically >walk into the Jedi temple looking to read books, >confuse the literal shit out of the Jedi in the process >eventually get Qui-Gon thrown at me because they don't want to deal with this shit. >Join the plot and make sure Qui-Gon lives It's a very stupid plan.

>>55958 Honestly. I went to uq holder earlier this chain specifically so I could get save points to be able to try this kind of stupid crap out over and over again.

>>55958 Go to Tales of the Jedi as a Jedi first so you can justify your presence by being a member of the Jedi order.

>>55960 The Plagueis jump auto-locks you in as a Sith, and at that point it doesn't really matter what previous affiliations you have.

>>55961 Yeah, but you don't gotta advertise that you're a Sith and Tales of the Jedi Jedi have a lot less rules than the modern Jedi, so you can justify being an asshole by just following a significantly older version of the code. At least for a bit

>>55960 Also, that was an EXTREMELY LONG TIME AGO, they'd have to look into any surviving records to figure out if you were saying the truth.

I like how if you look at the pros and cons list for Jedi and Sith the Jedi side completely sweeps, except for one pro on the Sith side that says "shoot lightning out of your fingers" and that's enough for people to decide to give their soul over to evil

>>55962 Anon, you don't understand. I'm going to show up at the library in full black bathrobes with >Darth Null >Sith Lord gilded on the back.

>>55963 Exactly! Just waltz in like you should be there and let them deal with the revelation that you're a multi-thousand year old Jedi. Then you can declare them heretics to the order and kick their asses later

>>55965 I feel like that would actually scare the shit out of the Jedi. A sith lord who isn't hiding their presence and is incredibly honest about it either means they aren't being honest and have some giga brain scheme they just can't comprehend or they're the least predictable Sith in history because a Sith being this honest is unprecedented.

>>55965 You remind me that in all my builds of starwars, starting as a sith myself, I have never figured out a sith name

>>55967 Why do you think they'd throw the renegade Qui-Gon at me? Because I was fucking weird and scary, and ol Qui knows a bit about weird.

>>55968 >"Someone go confront him!" >"I'm not going out there! I don't know what he's planning." >"I'll go, pussies." - Chad Qui-Gon

>>55967 >The Jedi are all huddled in a corner >"Is this a big brain maneuver?" One of them asks. >Meanwhile the Lepi Sith Lord is swinging his legs on a bench while reading about history

Has anyone killed Yarael Poof and used the domino effect as a means to an end in a Star Wars jump?

>>55965 But you are reading, Surely you are Darth Academis

>>55974 Or perhaps I should call myself Darth Paranoia.

>>55972 Oh yeah, lepi are a thing. This makes me happy.

>>55976 There's also fox-people to go with your rabbit-people.

>>55798 It's all very context dependent, but if such a path to ascendance exists and you're actively looking for it, you're far more likely to find it than anyone else. It's also worth mentioning that Hypnos was a weird case on multiple levels. His drugs were doing 90% of the work and there are some who interpret him as being some kind of god from the start. >>55913 >And it can't actively despair at humanity's "eternal suffering" because 1) it can't actively change anything to begin with I've just accepted ya'll aren't gonna accept "agree to disagree" as a conclusion, but I do have an interesting interpretation of this in particular. Going with my theory that the reason Yog-Sothoth can't change anything is because he's always perpetually experiencing every alternate timeline. It makes me think that there is an infinite number of timelines where everything is great and the Outer Gods aren't a problem. Lovecraft's stories just happen to be written in one of the worse timelines. >>55915 Lovecraft's stories are like the Bible. People have had decades to add onto and reinterpret their contents, and since most people can't be bothered to view the source material they just assume that their vague cultural image of it is the complete truth. If we assume Clarke Ashton Smith's Hyperborean Cycle is common, there's evidence to imply that Nyarlethotep isn't even the exception in terms of having a surprisingly human psychology and being able to manifest partially on Earth. >>55924 >NUH-UH, SUPREME ARCHETYPE BAD AND I BET IT FARTS LOUDLY TOO. This inaccurate. This would imply the Supreme Archetype can excrete something separate from itself. The Supreme Archetype cannot fart because it is fart.

>>55978 >common *canon

>>55979 Too late! It's now RARE!

>>55975 I mean I think Im gonna go Darth Maykur, as a play on maker since I like since gene modding and science to make new creatures as well as making droids and such.

Hey if any of you anons have audible, seven seas publishing has put on loads of their licensed light novel series onto their plus catalog, just got all of reincarnated as a sword and mushoku tensei for free.

>>55982 Sweet

Why do Sith get whole new names but Jedi are just themselves?

>>55984 Sith are the equivalent of a rebellious teenager changing their name to an edgier one

>>55984 Sith were originally kicked out of the jedi and set themselves up as godkings of the world they found. They took new names to further seperate themselves from the order.

>>55984 Also iirc darth originally was a title that means one who defeated death. Because the sith figured out how to make force phylactories for themselves.

>>55985 Can you really say it's equivalent if it's 1 to 1?

>>55988 Nta but equivalent /ĭ-kwĭv′ə-lənt/ adjective Equal, as in value, force, or meaning. Having similar or identical effects. Being essentially equal, all things considered.

>>55989 The joke was that they ARE rebellious teenagers changing their name to an edgier one.

>>55990 I mean can you really blame them? Its like being one of those kids raised by a weird nonstandard ultra religious family who thinks bodily functions send you to some version of hell. Who wouldnt want to akip out of that shit.

>>55982 http://audiobookbay.fi/?s=reincarnated+as+a+sword&cat=undefined%2Cundefined

>>55992 >reincarnated+as+a+sword&cat What a interesting premise, a hiveminded sword+cat duo.

>>55948 > For example Campione's Authorities merge together into one with more restrictions if you somehow farm a god since when has this been a thing?

>>55988 Yes. Equivalent means it is 1 to 1. Retard.

My wife raped me in the haunted house How's your day going?

>>55996 Losing money to the steam sale but otherwise fine.

>>55996 You're such a fucking weirdo dawg.

>>55998 I can't believe you're blaming a victim for getting raped

Fuck it. I will fully embrace my shameful desires for a shameless isekai power-fantasy Jumper. What low-power Jumps can I pick up a small village of monsters from? On a related not, how do you usually deal with properties that come with large populations? Does the population grow over time or does fiat ensure they stay at roughly the same size? If the boarders of the property are manually expanded, to they transfer with the rest of it, or is all land not part of the initial purchase left behind?

>>55978 >It makes me think that there is an infinite number of timelines where everything is great and the Outer Gods aren't a problem. Lovecraft's stories just happen to be written in one of the worse timelines. I can't believe Lovecraft invented Lostbelts before Nasu did.

Is the Force a good enough system to use across a chain? Never quite understood if it had any real limits to it or if we could eventually handwave things.

>>55999 I don't think you're being genuine, if you were you'd have my sympathy.

>>56000 >What low-power Jumps can I pick up a small village of monsters from? Goblin Slayer

>>55996 It's going alright, rereading all of JoJo again (and do something with it).

>>56000 Fairly sure the Castlevania jumps Have something like that. For example Legacy of Darkness has a werewolf town IIRC.

>>55978 >It's all very context dependent, but if such a path to ascendance exists and you're actively looking for it, you're far more likely to find it than anyone else. It's also worth mentioning that Hypnos was a weird case on multiple levels. His drugs were doing 90% of the work and there are some who interpret him as being some kind of god from the start. So would i be able to NOT go insane by reaching the Ultimate Void like he did?

>>55826 For non QQ jumps look in DC Earth 11 and Dog Days For a QQ jump, Generic Hentai Fantasy has a perk for making all monsters into monstergirls

>>55964 This is unironically my rationale for going Sith way back in the day, in the first Star Wars jump Jumpchain ever had. I did not and still do not care for the philosophical conflicts of Star Wars, but I will be quite honest: Force Push, shatterpoints and mindtricks are all just plain less cool than shooting lightning out of your fingers. >>55978 >The Supreme Archetype cannot fart because it is fart Clearly the Supreme Archetype is farting into some other setting in Jumpchain that exists outside and beyond the Lovecraftian cosmology. Probably into Supernatural >>56001 Death Stranding 2 has a Moon Cancer manifestation as one of the final villains, and the newest Gundam series basically revealed that a sad hooker's sheer sadness is generating Lostbelts in a doomed attempt to get Char to save her sorry ass. It even has a time janny from another world who's sent in to save the timeline from being destroyed by uh...destroying the timeline. Forget Lovecraft, this is getting out of hand.

>>55918 Just don't got the table top version. You get darkside points and can never get rid of them. No redemption ever. Just a slow slide into the darkside for tying to help people.

>>55922 Abi need curves.

>>56009 >Spoiler It would certainly explain where Chuck got the idea of humans having Souls with the power of supernovas.

>>56007 Arch-Dreamer might make you slightly better at comprehending the maddening revelations you come across, but I wouldn't suggest using it as a substitute for proper madness resistance. That said, Hypnos didn't go crazy because of what he saw, but because he knew what he saw was actively hunting him down, forcing him to to rely on drugs to avoid sleep and dreaming for months in order to delay the inevitable. It's (usually) not what you see that drives you mad, but what it implies and how you try to cope with it.

>>56011 Can you use a command seal to order her to become curvy?

Jumps for a detective/noir chain?

>>55960 I like doing an immortal long haul through all of the Star Wars jumps at once. So how would Yoda and crew react to a living legend and known immortal that was there at the start of the jedi just waking into the temple demanding to talk to Qui-Gon?

>>56015 Post Curvy Abi.

>>56013 Than what perks you say would be enough to eventually reach and hang where all the Outer Gods (and Nodens) are hanging without becoming a prison bitch?

>>56017 I don't know? I know they DID meet an ancient Jedi, Ood B'nar, at some point but I never watched the clone wars series

>>56000 >On a related not, how do you usually deal with properties that come with large populations? Does the population grow over time or does fiat ensure they stay at roughly the same size? If the boarders of the property are manually expanded, to they transfer with the rest of it, or is all land not part of the initial purchase left behind? Depends on the Jump, but I would say that they grow larger >>56000 >Fuck it. I will fully embrace my shameful desires for a shameless isekai power-fantasy Jumper. There is nothing wrong with that my dear gene, when I started my Chain, I had the solid idea that I would have no more than a strict military type theme and my 8 companions would be my generals, after a while, I entered a small setting for some items and samples and saw that it needed help that I could provide, so I did. A few more settings and I started adopting some kids and people, more after that, I'm married, next thing I know my friend tells me I'm more like whitebeard than what I was before or even realized

>>56002 The force is very broken and can learn many things, take a look at the wiki anon, its amazing

>>56016 Great Detective.

>>56024 It literally happens just like that. There's an immortal human Jedi that just kinda wanders around wherever the force takes her and occasionally shows up in the temple. Fay something, IIRC?

>>55966 >>55963 I'm sorry to say that isn't how that works and it isn't the first time that happened, quite a few Jedi ever really return to the temple except maybe once in a few decades. They have tales of Jedi being gone for centuries even and records that stretch back for thousands of years >>56025 Yes, I uploaded the wrong image instead of the one the one that mentioned her

Jedis are basically space Buddhists, right? Would Sun Wukong make a good Jedi?

>>56027 Fuck no

>>56027 >"STOP HAVING EMOTIONS!" >"NO!"

>>56027 He'd make a good Jedi Lord, or a good Jedi in Legends' New Jedi Order. But neither of those are space Buddhists, so to answer your real question, fuck no.

>>56019 I mean, the short answer is you can't without the Silver Key. Once you figure out how to use it, it basically acts as a VIP pass into the void, and since you don't seem to physically "enter" the Ultimate Gate, as much as you gain awareness of facets of your archetype that are already adapted to surviving there, you don't have to worry about going mad. If you don't have the Silver Key, you'll need to figure out your own path. At the bare minimum you'll need Curves and Angles, Bad Medicine, Arch-Dreamer, and either Childish Dreams or The Very Old Folks just to allow you to live long enough to gain sufficient mastery of magic. Unless you get absurdly lucky or do what the Great Race does and steal knowledge from all across space and time, this could take hundreds, if not thousands of years to pull off. Of course, this is all assuming you're relying solely on what you can get within this Jump. OOC can obviously provide you with advantages that aren't available to the rest of the setting.

>>56031 >>56019 Oh, right. You'll also need the upgraded version of Unbreakable to retain your sanity and eventually bolster it enough to endure any amount of trauma and forbidden knowledge you can throw at it.

>>56027 Fuck no, they are a bunch of roaming drug addicts that just destroy everything as they dance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0qH2IaSjEU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVvxqUhxtDM

>Be me >Jumper >Get conscripted by interdimensional entity >My job is to kill demons >I get paid in amazing cosmic powers and adventure >Fuck yeah I'm in >Get sent to the first world >First week goes pretty great, killed two vampires and a zombie >One night i find a succubus flying around >*The Only Thing They Fear Is You starts playing* >Bring out my weapons and activate my hunter instincts™ >Jump her as soon as she lands >Lose >As in, she completely wiped the floor with me >Lay there on the concrete waiting for the imminent death rape >She asks for my direction instead >Confusion.jpg >I comply because I don't want to make her angry >She says she had fun and we'll see each other again >Turns her wings into rockets and leaves at mach 10 >Next week >It's a monday night >I hear a tapping on my window >It's the succubus >She waves at me and opens the window >Just as planed >I littered my house with salt and anti-demon sigils >She steps in and doesn't burst into flames >I got scammed >Prepare myself for imminent death rape >She presents her hands at me instead >There's a copy of street fighter 2 on one hand and a sns on the other >She wants to play with me >Comply because I don't want to make her angry >Play videogames with her all night >She was pretty good >Suddenly a portal appears near her >Whatthefuck? >Two exasperated ghouls appear from the portal and draw her in >"See you next week, anon!" She says before disappearing >I'm so confused

>>56027 It would end like the true ending of Black Myth.

>>56034 Gay.

>>56036 No u

>>56026 >Now tell us how their histories ended They died because they met Obi-Wan.

>>56038 Obi-wan Journey was the same, he was just chosen to fulfil his destiny

So, is Gene's scenario to become the Supreme Archetype now the most overpowered endjump reward or do the rewards from the D.Y.N. Freaks scenario still hold that crown?

>>56039 >Kreia: Bro, the Force is a manipulative bitch and you need to leave her to her simps and walk free.

>>56040 Becoming the Supreme Archtype seems like a trap option, TBH.

I'm trying to work out what I'm doing after my latest big power up and I think I'm finding my build is terrible for me. It's not because it's weak, not by any means, but that it's really difficult to control and better for a huge villain. Maybe this is ehy the Regressor thinks I'm a big villain; I'm turning into Ainz.

>>56040 The Supreme Archetype is another way to say "existance", becoming it means devouring everything within yourself, realizing you are all part of a single concept, and that everything is an illusion. It's up to you what this means, how good it is and how it stacks up to other beings.

>>56043 If your build is better suited for a villain, maybe you should try to think like a villain? You don't need to kill people or anything, but maybe try to consider how a villain would use it to find inspiration on how to proceed. Also, quick Naruto question if you don't mind: Are the non-human racial options allowed to join Genin teams, or does that just causes too many problems? Like, would they be willing to stick a talking animal, robot, or demon on a team with 11-12 year old kids? Would a demon even gain anything from the experience?

>>56045 >If your build is better suited for a villain, maybe you should try to think like a villain? You don't need to kill people or anything, but maybe try to consider how a villain would use it to find inspiration on how to proceed. I was more thinking about how my Jumper would be conflicted, but that's great advice and I enjoy the idea of one of the several vaguely secret villains around him to tell him something to that effect. >"Just make some homunculi and annex some territory. If you're a good leader it's actually more ethical to set up a private state where your abilities aren't at odds with the inhabitants, wouldn't you think?" >"Uuuh, I don't know about that one doc, but sure, I guess I can think about it." >Are the non-human racial options allowed to join Genin teams, or does that just causes too many problems? Like, would they be willing to stick a talking animal, robot, or demon on a team with 11-12 year old kids? Would a demon even gain anything from the experience? Talking animal? Sure. That's weird, you probably didn't go to the academy, but there's plenty of animal companions/summon clan associates among the ninja villages. Robots? That's almost definitely not gonna be a thing. Demons? Absolutely not. Demons likely wouldn't get nothing out of it either/

>>56046 >Demons? Absolutely not >Demon with Freak of Nature experience explaining to a ninja village that its lifelong dream was always to join a Genin team

Jujutsu kaisen sorcery seems very useable for a sith...

>>56009 Lighrning fingies are most unnatural

>>56049 In practice it doesn't actually have anything to do with emotion because the way it works is an afterthought and Gege is an absurd hack

>>56046 >100 Lv1 crystals to make a Lv2 crystal >10,000 Lv1 crystals to make a Lv3 crystal >1,000,000 Lv1 crystals to make a Lv4 crystal >100,000,000 Lv1 crystals to make a Lv5 crystal >10,000,000,000 Lv1 crystals to make a Lv6 crystal Enslave masses of people to farm the lowest level dungeons and refine the crystals for infinite top level resources. Unless you patched the refinery thing, in which case nevermind.

I was the anon talking a bit ago about maybe attempting a Generic Isekai dupe (not fully committed, and even if I was I wasn't planning to start right away). But now I'm wondering if this might hurt my motivation to make any more isekai Jumps going forward. There's also the question of if I should just shove my plans for a Generic Isekai Summoner Jump into this one. Truthfully, the biggest loss would probably be Instant Death. As a setting designed to be generic, there's a good chance it would end up as a far more cynical and mean-spirited version of a Generic Isekai Jump. So odds are high I'd only be interested in making one or the other. Though I'll admit I've been flip-flopping for years now whether I'm actually interested in getting back to Instant Death in the first place. On the other hand, I feel like I've read enough isekai to make a pretty comprehensive Generic and there really isn't a better genre for it, considering how many isekai stories I've read that are too derivative or short to be worth the trouble of an individual Jump, so this feels like the next best thing. If I were to ask for other people's advice, I feel like I already know what people would say. It's not hard to see why people might prefer the potential of several specific Jumps down the line rather than the promise of one generic now. I'm mostly just thinking out loud here to try and figure out my own feelings on the matter. Maybe I'm overthinking things and I'd be able to make future Isekai Jumps just fine. Maybe I was never going to get around to making more isekai Jumps in the first place. Maybe nobody cares either way since most isekai are derivative trash. As I mentioned, I'm just putting all my thoughts out here.

>>55834 Definitely a good perk, but I was looking for a more permanent effect. >>55852 That's exactly the kind of thing I was looking for, thanks anon.

>>56051 >Mention jjk >Instantly seethes at Godgod

>>56055 It's just so trash, man.

>>56034 Fells accurate to Morrigan. Hopefully she follows along as a companion.

>>56053 I'd much prefer more Jumps for specific isekai settings personally, but I'm sure you'll do good work either way. If you do go for the Generic though, I request an uncapper perk, as simple unlimited growth is fun cheat to have. And also some free waifus. The fact the the Reddit Jump doesn't offer a few when most isekai protags get a harem is one of its biggest flaws.

>>56056 Nta, but if you really think that's trash I'm really happy for you, for not having seen things on Eden Zero's level.

>>56053 follow your heart gene. make the generic jump exactly as gauche as the isekai slop itself is.

>>56053 I want a truck I can use to run over isekai people that sends them back to their shitty life on Earth.

Morning.

>>56053 personally I'd prefer a generic one, since most isekai are dozens of light novels long, with adaptions only covering the first few arcs, making getting into the source material pretty annoying even when I like the general premise. This only really matters for isekai to me, considering how much overlap there is between so many of them anyway.

>>56053 you should put generic isekai summoner into it too. and remember: if everything is overpowered then nothing is.

>>56059 If I had to give JJK a rating it's like "5/10 - has its moments" there's so much hype and a few decent character arcs and moments to distract you from the fact that the plot is nonsensical, most of it happens for no reason, all but 3 or 4 characters are anywhere from bland to bad, the power system is just made up on the fly and Gege's world building is so bad it's like ANTI-worldbuilding.

>>56063 Good night

>>56057 She'll be the first companion and primary waifu of my chain

>>56063 Mornin' jefe.

>>56067 Disagree on pretty much everything you just said, but I really don't want to talk about it here, so agree to disagree.

>>55864 >>55865 Frankly, even at 600CP I’d say that still would need a drawback packed in (like Godou’s having activation conditions, or Alex’s self damage). Being able to freely switch between the full power set and authorities of 3 different deities at will seems extremely overpowered.

>>56069 Waifus that decide they will be the waifu regardless of Jumper’s will on the matter are good civilization.

>>56053 I'd honestly prefer the generic because as you said so many just kind of blend together but the existing one's don't really even cover all the bases of what you'd expect out of the genre/trope nowadays.