>>23060 >>23150 >>23195 It's amazing how utterly ignorant you are. You can be retarded if you want to, no one who doesn't already have your Windows 7 autism is going to join you.

>>22308 Make a Linux distro that works out of the box for browsing the modern JS filled cancerous web, that allows you to vonsoom media quickly and seamlessly without hurting user convenience. Something that won't require hours of troubleshooting for normalfag tasks that Windows can perform without trouble. You won't be able to, because it doesn't exist. I hate microshit but the truth is that there is currently no desktop OS that is ready out of the box for the average consumer other than wangblows or apple. There are no good open source and Linux friendly alternatives to software like word, photoshop or excel or serious video editing software. Thnkfully you can pirate those easily but you get my point. Don't blame users for choosing the path of least resistance. If you want to kill windows you need to make technology that helps the user achieve what he wants instead of making tech for the sake of tinkering.

>>23199 You're completely wrong. Fedora (with KDE Plasma) accomplishes this. I've installed it to multiple family members' computers and they can't even tell a difference. >Something that won't require hours of troubleshooting for normalfag tasks that Windows can perform without trouble. I've been using Fedora for years. I've never had to do this for Internet browsing, watching videos, listening to music, or any other normalfag task. >There are no good open source and Linux friendly alternatives to software like word >excel LibreOffice. >photoshop >or serious video editing software The average normalfag doesn't use these.

>>22308 >why because it comes preinstalled on computers available at stores. same with MacOS. If cheap laptops with Obongo become available at stores, people will buy them (that's what happened with netbooks running ChromeOS). Clouds and web-based services have basically rendered Windows useless unless you do something that requires a dedicated GPU >>22457 this

>>23195 You're fucking stupid. 99% of software is made for Windows, of fucking course Linux needs a way to run some of it if it wants to be appealing. If it was "its own thing" with nothing compatible it'd be about as popular as Temple OS. And the point of Linux is that it's free (as in freedom) so if Windows decides to be retarded (they already are, you yourself admit as much since you won't use anything after Windows 7), then people have an alternative. Linux also obviously has its own software, even if it's not as diverse as on Windows and isn't "jank" if you just install a noob distro and click on the convenient UI to install things. You can stay on Windows 7 until your hardware breaks down if you don't need anything more, nobody cares, but most people are gonna need something that's actually up to date to newer hardware and software.

>>23203 >of fucking course Linux needs a way to run some of it if it wants to be appealing. No, it doesn't. Linux is a different OS from Windows, so of course it's going to have a different experience and different applications than Windows. Why don't you focus on that instead of effectively telling people that they should just be using Windows? >And the point of Linux is that it's free (as in freedom) so if Windows decides to be retarded (they already are, you yourself admit as much since you won't use anything after Windows 7), then people have an alternative. People have HAD an alternative for nearly 30 years, yet you're still complaing about how people would rather use Windows (ANY version of Windows) over Linux. Perhaps you should re-evaluate what the actual "problem" is. >but most people are gonna need something that's actually up to date to newer hardware and software. And until you idiots pull your head out of your ass, they're always going to be using Windows, and you'll always be complaing about how these people are using Windows. How about you stop caring about Windows and focus on developing your own fucking OS? There is ALREADY a successful OS on the market that sells itself on the tagline of "At least it's not Windows", and that is MacOS, a Unix OS ironically enough. What does Linux have?

>>23206 >There is ALREADY a successful OS on the market that sells itself on the tagline of "At least it's not Windows", and that is MacOS, a Unix OS ironically enough. MacOS sells because it's Apple. There is no other reason. The iPod created Apple worshipers, and they've been worshipping them ever since.

>>23206 MacOS is even more of a walled garden than Windows, why would you even bring this up as an alternative? Do you not get the whole point of Linux is being libre? Windows compatibility is just a bonus to ease transition and have more possibilities. If you want your "own OS" just install Linux and remove any package that bring compatibility with Windows. I don't get your gripe with that.

>>22473 >install meme distro >dual booting with literal malware OS >stacks more shit on the problem and installs a 3rd or 4th distro Sorry, how is this a linux issue? Wipe your drive and properly test if linux is a fit for you. It may not be, but don't blame it for poor decision making on your part. If some Mac user was trying Windows for the first time and decided to delete their system32 folder and now suddenly nothing works, would you blame Windows or the end user? If you still need Windows in your life, just install KVM/QEMU or your whatever makes you happy and run it as a VM.

>>23261 How is a live USB booting into a kernel panic my fault? When I installed the meme distro from a live USB, the installer just worked™. I even tried the same USB stick. I'm also new to Linux, so I wasn't aware windows likes to destroy dual boots. The installer made it easy to create a dual boot, and there was no warning about windows not playing nice.

>>23262 From how it was phrased it sounded (to me) like you were trying to install multiple distros side by side with windows and your already broken openMandriva install. Kernel panic on a live CD isn't your fault. The blame is on ventoy most likely, or a corrupted ISO. Its also not your fault that Windows is malware but then don't claim that "Linux doesn't just work" if factors outside of Linux caused it to break. As I said before, give yourself the best shot at success. Wipe the drive and install a "Just works" distro like Fedora, Mint, or Ubuntu.

I honestly don't switch to Linux only because of the sheer amount of useful programs and games that decide to not ever be compatible. I would actually love to switch, but unless SteamOS becomes mainstream and widely accepted, it probably won't happen anytime soon. of course there's always workarounds for many, but if I'm gonna have to find a workaround and troubleshoot every time I install something, I'd rather get my data tracked by rich assholes who have nothing better to do with it than selling it.

>>22506 Not well at 100% cpu utilization because chinks can't code or whatever

>>23266 I had a similar dilemma just after I switched. For the reasons you stated its tough to make the switch if you expect 1:1 parity between your Windows workflow and Linux. You may have an easier time if instead you try to find the Linux solution to the problem. As an example, instead of holding your breath for a Linux port of Onenote, try Obsidian or Joplin.

>>23206 >What does Linux have Wobbly windows, a lack of spyware baked into the OS, and higher framerates for new games on steam but maybe this last one is just anecdotal

>>23302 oh, and workstations/viewports (or whatever they're called) that you can quickly switch between. good substitute for multiple monitors if you're working while abroad or can't be arsed to buy another monitor

Just wanted to say thabks for all your help. Switched from W10 to linux nobara. Still have much to learn but gsming works (main reason for w10) emulators work, music works. Fuck microsoft

I tried, but Nvidia hardware is a bitch. Installing the driver is fine (Tumbleweed), but I get awful stutter when playing anything with some level of fidelity (e.g. Sins 2).

It's impossible to type in Japanese (or any Asian language for that matter) on Linux.

>>23378 nah

My windows installation died today, getting random driver corruption errors, probably SSD issues but result is - dead OS Its the best opportunity to try Linux, every time I try it alongside Windows I just end up crawling back but now it could be different

>>23261 Poster of >>22473 here, I want to write a follow up. The GPU not showing up was not because of the meme distro. In fact, it's the same on CachyOS. Turns out that despite Linux reputation for reviving old hardware, the support for my old laptop's GPU doesn't fully exist. It kinda works. Launching a game, I can see it being used with amdgpu_top. But launching steam with the dedicated GPU option in plasma causes the steam window to flash a dark rectangle before immediately closing. I tried getting the proprietary driver, but I got an error saying my X server is too new for that driver. It's a shame. That just worked in windows, but I don't want to go back. Linux only uses 2GB of the 8GB ram on idle, wile windows doubles that to 4GB. Linux also don't randomly hogs CPU for compatibility telemetry or other random processes that don't do anything for the user. I hope I can use the data from amdgpu_top in the system monitor somehow, but I have to do more research.

>>23384 lol keep studying faggot

>>22308 That's because it comes preinstalled in most hardware, is a result of Microsoft monopoly, rather than any inherent advantages over the alternatives. Microsoft forgot how to make a fucking OS a long time ago. The real question here is how long until it collapses?

>>23555 >Turns out that despite Linux reputation for reviving old hardware That's not completely true. For regular web browser + word processor machines, sure, but for more specific hardware like a GPU you'll need either the manufacturer or another Linux users to provide drivers, which is hit or miss for obsolete hardware. What GPU are you using?

>>23802 >What GPU are you using? AMD Radeon R3 M330 as the discrete GPU. And Intel HD graphics 5500 as the integrated GPU, but that one is fully recognised by the system monitor. That laptop wasn't chosen for gaming back in the day.

>spend years using gui notepads >constantly loose txt files in moving things around >finally decide I'm going to fresh install linux with a tiling wm >start to get familiar with using vim >successfully edit bspwmrc to change window border colors >decide to use vim to make a note >realize I can easily reopen and edit the note whenever I want I spent so long doing things the hard way, but now I dont ever need to worry about where things are stored if I can just use the terminal, just how much else have I been getting wrong. it feels like the scales have fallen from my eyes.

>>22308 Because command line anything is scary, and the even the most user friendly Linux distro asks you to use command line to verify and authenticate the .iso for installing it. Largely unnecessarily too, because while it is good practice, it's highly unlikely you'd get a bad iso downloading from the official site. Also because videogames. Also because it just werks, with little real setup. Microshit is working hard to destroy that last selling point though, but any Linux distro is stiff competition in that department. I'm trying to switch over to Mint now, but I have over a decade of files and programs on my Wangblows machine, I still don't know how I'm going to move it over once I can dual boot, assuming dual boot works on the first try and doesn't require troubleshooting itself. Then once I've moved everything to Linux that I can, I need to figure how what I can't move can work in a virtual machine. Once I've figured that out, then I can finally purge my computer of Windows. I already have Mint on a flashdrive, and am currently backing up my entire computer on an external drive before I do anything iffy, but that's going to take all day. Maybe because it's a lot, maybe because Windows is shit.

>>24360 Just look at this, happening to someone right now. >>24359 I do not want my fucking Hydrus to suddenly start failing to load every other video properly. And even reaching that point, figuring out how to have partitions in a drive accessible to both a windows and linux install at the same time, sounds like a fucking hassle. If getting Windows LTSC IoT wasn't even more of a hassle and I'd do that instead. But Windows has forced my lazy hand.

The more I research, the more confusing things get and the more of a massive pain in the ass everything sounds like. So apparently to dual boot, you have shrink Windows+C: to allocate the space for the Linux distro or something, but this has the chance to corrupt everything and fuck it all up. I think in addition to the Windows 7 Recovery Tool backup, I'm going to make a plain copy of just most of my files on another external drive. And running Windows in a VM needs anywhere from 16-32GB of RAM? In only have 32GB, so I guess I need to buy download more RAM to make sure the VM runs smoothly. I fucking hate computers.

>>24362 >And running Windows in a VM needs anywhere from 16-32GB of RAM? In only have 32GB Now I've read on the Mint forum that you want around 60GB of RAM for Windows 10 in a VM to run without issues. This is getting expensive fast. My cheapest options seems to be getting a Crucial Pro 128GB (2x64GB) for $340+tax or the 96GB (2x48GB) for $240. I can't find discussion mirroring this anywhere else though, so maybe upgrading to just 64GB and dedicating 32GB to the VM is enough? Maybe getting even more though would be useful for AI text generation, but I think the real problem my computer has with that is with the CPU, which I might also need to upgrade to run a VM? And now reading more, it seems like you need a valid product key to run windows even in a VM, so trying it sounds like trying to just run something in a Linux distro and use a virtual machine for anything that only works on Windows will still make me go through all of Microsoft's bullshit! I'm beginning to feel the futility of fighting all this shit and my backup is still only at 38% after running most of the day. I might just give up and let Microshit rape my anus for another decade, because it sounds it's gonna happen anyways.

>>24364 Look around some more, you can run MAS which runs some code from some site to forcibly activate Windows without a product key. Sounds sketchy as hell, and like something that Microsoft would have patched out of usability ages ago because it lets people pirate Windows. Oh well. If I can run it in a VM, it should be safer, right?

Oh hey. I dropped by the /v/ thread to see that the user friendly distro I was just about to install doesn't play well with Nvidia cards, so now I have to pick a user unfriendly one for my shit to work, or else buy another graphics card too, as well a more RAM, and possibly a new power supply.

>>24362 Why don't you just buy a second internal drive and dual boot through 2 separate drives for each OS ? >>24364 >it seems like you need a valid product key 'massgrave dot dev' it's all open source and Works. >>24366 >the user friendly distro I was just about to install doesn't play well with Nvidia cards What distro is that ? If its mainstream it should be very easy to install the drivers.

>>24366 worth a try, i use nvidia for ai shit in linux, it's actually recommended for some of them. i dont use a vm tho so if it's windows only and needs gpu youll have to do a gpu passthrough to the vm, also prolly have to use kvm and virt-manager instead of virtualbox to do that so it's somewhat more complicated. Windows might lock you out if you finangle with it too much bc it might see it as installing it on new hardware or more than one computer. This is why I quit using windows altogether bc all the issues was bc windows like 90% of my brainpower was trying to get past windows shit and not actually doing anything.

>>24371 >>24381 If you're either curious, it's been a little rocky, but I'm on way. I've been asking questions in a thread on /v/ since it's more active, besides looking up a ton of things myself. >>>/v/1838840