>>1221663 >DX12 errors works on my machine (Win 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC)

Use linux retard

>>1221663 mmm win 10 ltsc ftw

>>1221663 If you go Win11 go with LTSC. If you want old way where you own your system, go to Linux unless you want popular anti cheat mp games like Fortnite. Vkd3d handles DX12 on Linux just fine.

>>1221663 Use Linux Mint Cinnamon. It's very reminiscent of Windows 7, their last good OS.

>>1221663 I moved to 10 this year, and some games still worked even on 7 even before installing the new OS. I'm sure 10 will work for a while. Maybe it will truly die by the time Windows 12 or whatever releases.

>>1221663 I switched to linux. Still have some issues, but it's getting better, both as more shit gets made for linux, but mostly as I stop being an idiot.

it works on my linux

>>1221663 Tried editing the exe shortcut path to include -dx11 ?

>>1222097 -d3d11 for unreal games I think

>>1221663 >I can't even say I know for sure if moving on to Linux is any kind of solution Won't know unless you try. Give Bazzite a spin, I hear it's pretty good.

>>1221663 I have a Windows 11 install with only a Local Account. I don't have a microsoft account I was able to uninstall and delete all their BS. I sure as hell wouldn't pay for this piece of shit OS though. After this I'm switching to Linux. What ever comes after W11 isn't going to work for me.

>>1221663 Why are you lying? There's zero issue with W10 right now. Have you considered suicide?

>>1221663 Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC is serving me well so far. I upgraded to it from 7 a couple years ago by editing the upgrade matrix in the .wim to allow it. From what little I've used of 11, it doesn't seem that much worse than 10 once you tard wrangle it, but I will stay on the more stable OS until something I really care about requires it. I have seen a lot of my retarded friends have compatibility issues with games on Windows 10 simply because they haven't updated it in years because updates bad. Being on a recent build of Windows 10 should be enough to play new games right now.

>>1221663 Works on my machine (Windows 10 IoT LTSC)

>>1221663 >everyone bitches and moans about how "horrible" Win11 is >never explain why in detail, just knee-jerk regurgitation of shit they heard works on my machine skill issue

>>1223751 I post win 7 lack of customization options unless you use third party software

>>1221663 IoT LTSC 2021 gets security updates until 2032, though you have to do a clean install for it (there is a way to upgrade GAC to LTSC but it's a bit fucky and clean installs are generally more recommended) If you don't want to install IoT LTSC and want to stay on your current install, activate ESU with MAS for security updates until 2028: https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts You need to be on one of the supported editions to activate ESU (2nd pic related) but MAS also has a function that lets you easily switch editions (not to LTSC though since that's a different channel)

Actually you are fucked even if you do upgrade, because you will run in more issues with older games. Had to install a XP virtual machine, that was never necessary up to Win10. And I can't recommend Linux, so you might need a similar setup to mine.

>>1221663 That's the best part, we're all screwed. No matter which OS you choose, you either accept you no longer own or get to control your own computer(11+), or will have to learn to navigate the waters of fucky workarounds(everything else).

>>1221823 >Linux No thanks bro.

>>1221663 i think you should be safe for a few years because steam stats show 40% are still on win10. they're not gonna wanna lose 50 million potential customers.

>>1223842 Yeah. It's not fucking fair bros, bring her back. Everyone loved our girl Nanami.

>>1221663 10 is genuinely worse than Linux's worst AND takes more work to get to a usable state, I have never ran into so many unsolvable problems and the solutions are always "just update lol" which is a russian roulette (and half the time WU fails to work anyway with zero feedback on the error). I can only imagine how 11 built upon this, those new menus with 2s latency must be the least of its problems.

So which Linux distro should I get just for vidya? I don't really give a shit as long as it's at least on par with windows 10 in terms of compatibility and end user experience. I've chosen Kubuntu but if that's wrong then suggest an alternative.

>>1224291 Bazzite if you are extremely lazy. CachyOS if you are able to do the slightest effort.

>>1224291 If you want vidya do not get linux. It is dogshit for video games.

>>1224291 >at least on par with windows 10 in terms of compatibility and end user experience. There's no such thing

>he can't handle windows 11 bad ojisan...

>>1224291 >Linux distro for vidya >on par with Windows 10 in terms of compatibility Doesn't exist You can play a lot of vidya on Linux, including tons of games that were originally only made to work on Windows, but there will be games that are simply impossible to play on Linux (a lot of multiplayer games with anticheat for example)

I have had 0 issues with Windows 10 outside of problems I've caused myself via gutting shit that has broken a few things here and there I don't care about. Anybody trying to stir panic to drive people to 11 are either shills, retarded or shitposting.

>>1223816 >Had to install a XP virtual machine, that was never necessary up to Win10. XP compatibility was already extremely poor, you just didn't run into it.

I'm just going to rock the ESUs until I eventually switch to Win 11 IoT LTSC. I've played with 11's LTSC but I'm not ready to switch to 11 on my home computer full time.

>>1221663 >From the creators of W7 but worse: W10 but even worse No thanks.

>>1221663 Yes, you either move to Linux or Windows 11. This always happens with Windows "upgrades", you can't keep using the old one.

>>1221663 Will I atleast be free of the mandatory updates for Microsoft edge, when they cut off support?

>>1224678 No. You can also skip the shittty version of Windows and stay somewhat happy. Just play for time, and install Windows 12 when it's out. Which will be basically W11, but with less unsavoury features.

>>1224707 >install Windows 12 when it's out. Which will be basically W11, but with less unsavoury features Do you have source that's not "it's the Windows cycle"?

>>1224291 Linux is better than Windows for games now, as long as you don't want to play shitty P2WSAS and malware games. It runs almost everything that runs on modern Windows, and a lot of older stuff that doesn't run on Windows anymore.

>>1224678 >you can't keep using the old one. You can for another 7 years by which time they'll have shat out 12 or we'll all be dead or in roaming warbands with no use for the intenet

>>1224707 You did the opposite, you install win 11 as soon as all games are made on unreal engine 6 that only will support 11 that way you can install a stripped down version of it without all the unsavory things that come with early adopting an windows OS

>>1224757 >Linux is better than Windows for games now, as long as you don't Kek, every single time someone says Linux is better than Windows for gaming, sour grapes are included

>can't upgrade to Win11 because computer doesn't into TPM >have been using Linuchs for years Reason I upgraded to Lunigs was W10's jewniggerbrained Compatiblity & Telemetry service nigger that completely niggered performance on my SSD-less PC everytime it ran, with none of the various >privacy tools at the time being able to permanently shut it down so I didn't have to alt-tab out of my fugging gaems/jewtoob videos etc. whenever the HDD started rattling. svchost on Win7 also did this but it was way, way, way more rare than W10's 3-times-a-day schedule. Why anyone would want to use W10 or even 11 in this day and age is beyond me, KDE is objectively superior if you're a white man that doesn't enter a Jew-conditioned fear response upon gazing at the command line. >>1224291 >vidya Anything with reasonably up-to-date GPU drivers, input drivers and good support for Wine/Proton. While this by itself doesn't mean much, in practical terms (You) will have to decide between how much stability you'd want to sacrifice in favor of better compatibility and vice versa. On a scale from least stable-most up-to-date to most stable-most outdated, it usually goes like this: >Gentoo >Arch >Arch derivatives incl. SteamOS+most rolling release distros >openSUSE Tumbleweed >Ubuntu+derivatives >Fedora/openSUSE stable >Debian+derivatives I'd personally recommend Tumbleweed or one of rolling release distros above, unlike plain Arch they have a slower update schedule to prevent major bugs from fugging shit up and as such will break far less than those that update after every git commit. They'll still break and will require (You) to fix shit, but unlike on Jewbuntu or any of the stable distros you'll almost never have to hunt down up-to-date dependencies for games/applications from sketchy third party repositories. Gentoo is the ultimate autism choice in that everything in it is compiled from source locally to you're specified desires, so you have ultimate authority but also ultimate responsibility over your shit and updates take hours to complete. >>1224707 The Wangblows cycle hasn't been a thing for a decade.

mint just works.

>>1224778 Both have downsides, only one side brings up theirs while the other is hellbent on pretending everything is plug and play and just werks when that hasn't been true since 2006.

Chances are Steam/games will still support Win10 due to market share; at the very least, multiplayer/online games won't be able to easily go Win11+ only, and they're usually the tricky games linux won't run due to the anticheats So you could go for a dual boot setup with linux + win10, linux for the Win11+ games, and Win10 for the online games linux can't run If a retarded gamedev really goes for a Win11+ game that is also not supported in linux, then you could switch to a linux+win11 dual boot I guess

>>1224820 >KDE is objectively superior if you're a white man that doesn't enter a Jew-conditioned fear response upon gazing at the command line. I'm dyslexic, that's why command lines annoy the hell out of me.

>>1221663 it's a peaceful life

I have been having constant problems with my windows 10 for around 5 days now. First it was unexpected store exception, possibly fixed by not using a faulty usb anymore, then it was a kernel data inpage error, I changed my pagefile to my HDD and it apparently was fixed, then it was my screen going black because if my gpu, I did a clean install of a latest nvidia driver, then it was a freeze and a bsod crash saying video tdr failure, I did a clean install of a older driver, then ran DISM and SFC and it found some corrupted files and repaired then. Now I am waiting to see if it is gonna crash again. Every day it seems there is a new problem, and I wonder if I should just reinstall windows or if it is a problem in my SSD, though crystaldiskinfo tells me it is in good condition. I hate when Windows does this shit, one problem can have 200 causes. Any ideas?

Linux would be the best operating system if it wasn't buried under a sea of technical problems. The cucks who contribute to the linux kernel are all employees of big tech companies who only care about server infrastructure. The whole "for the people" war cry of open source is a facade. No one cares about desktop Linux.

>>1224707 It's been nothing but shit since Windows 7.

>>1221663 Games unironically run better on 10

>>1223751 can only put the taskbar on the bottom and less customization in general right clicking requires in the file explore an extra click or registry fuckery just to access the actual options

Lots of anti-Linux posts since 4chan came here. Zoomers can't into computers, tragic

>>1225186 There are fonts designed to make mis-identification of characters harder for people with dyslexia, you know. Have you tried those?

If I create a dual boot setup for win10/linux I can always delete the windows partition later, right? I don't want to format the disk, I got GBs worth of shit on it.

>>1223751 They're both 64bit OS so in the end you're just giving Microdick money for an operating system that can do that same things just with a different visual.

>>1226650 >I can always delete the windows partition later, right? Yes, the tricky part is installing windows after linux because windows will probably set its boot manager as the main boot option and you want linux's GRUB instead I'd advise you to check a proper tutorial

I got W11 and it's pretty good outside of the fact I needed an email to set everything up, but once I did I just switched out to a local account and everything is still like it was in W10. I legit have no idea what everyone is complaining about. Explorer has tabs now, UI is a little nicer, haven't noticed anything else being different. I couldn't align the date/time properly in the corner, which pissed me off. I don't like Microshit but I'd rather cut my own dick off than use linux as my main

>>1227258 are u indian.

>>1224483 not like most modern vidya games with anti-cheats are good anyways, only thing that matters is that you can play source games online with linux

>>1221663 Literally just don't obey. What's the problem, nigger? Why are all of my clients freaking out about this? Just don't fucking upgrade. I don't understand.

>>1223913 but how does this affect you?

>>1223807 Only downside to IoT LTSC: You can't play games that use the XBox apps, like Forza Horizon.

Get a console.

>>1223922 >steam stats show 40% are still on win10. they're not gonna wanna lose 50 million potential customers. The fuckers backstabbed me on Win7 because their storefront is built on Chrome which stopped supporting it. If Jewgle decides to do it again to win10, Steam WILL fuck you.

>>1221663 shut up nigger, just use windows in a VM and use a linux desktop, I've been using a VM for VR content in windows since 2018. Obviously using the latest LTSC because it has less slop which at is w11 but idgaf

>>1228495 Funny, I can still run Steam on Windows 7. Just I don't know how much longer...

>>1223751 There's more unremovable nagging trying to get you into their egoysystem, more random glitches than on 10 during the worst time of its cycle and even more inconsistent menus than on 10. Also siginificantly limited customization which isn't a dealbreaker for me but it's not a good sign for sure.

>>1221663 Why are you playing shitty modern games? All the PC games worth playing can still be ran on Windows 7, or even 10.

>>1229012 >Please create a Microsoft account now, or YOUR FUCKING TESTICLES ARE GOING TO BLOW!!! >You *need* to reschedule that duper important update in the next three days, OR YOUR HAMSTER IS GONNA DIE!!!! >Hi. We replaced mspaint a new and shittier paint. Also it's directly wired to the AI thingy we told you would not be mandatory. What is there not to like here? ...

>>1224678 I just plan on using Win7 until it's time to spray my teeth with silver paint.

I don't get it. Windows 11 & 10 are essentially the same but 11 is more polished.

I've really had no issues with win11 but im kind of in an autistic mood and want to learn how to use linux and style it to be all pretty like the desktop threads on 4/g/. What distrro should I start with in a virtual machine? Also what board do people do desktop threads in on 8ch?

>>1226650 you will be able to delete the windows partition if it works for you, but whether youll be able to resize the linux partition is where i think you'd encounter problems. usually filesystems are fine with you extending outward but not inward so youd probably want to install windows second. however, if you install windows second it will replace your bootloader, so you'd have to know enough about linux to set that back up, and enough about windows to turn off bullshit like fast reboot. its a pain in the ass. you can also install windows onto a separate drive entirely, i put one on an external ssd that i haven't plugged in in quite awhile but i think that is a good idea for "dual boots" personally.

>>1230238 ricing autism is generally best for distros specifically meant to be built up. arch linux is a really good base because its well documented, but it isn't user friendly for a new user. i can recommend it as a learning experience in a virtual machine, but if you aren't experienced with linux at all, ill recommend xubuntu because its relatively minimal while also being based on the most popular flavor of linux (ubuntu). you could experiment with window managers pretty easily, and specifically if you want autism you'll want tiling window managers like i3

>>1221663 I just upgraded from 10 LTSB to 10 LTSC IoT, shit should be good until 2032 iirc. t.5800x3d/6600 xt and not upgrading until my shit breaks

>>1230600 thank you!

>>1223751 >uses more ram >uses more CPU >uses more battery >steals your FPS >taskbar ads >forced hypervisor and virtualization cancer slows down your computer >(((TPM))) requirement (they can take the bypass away anytime) a downgrade on every front. a massive step backwards. worthless trash

>>1221663 New games aren't worth playing. -Build an emulation rig. -Keep it offline. -Never have to worry about updates. -Infinite supply of good games.

>>1225947 NTA but what fonts are you referring to?

>>1221663 I just tested Oblivion remastered on my old build with a 1660s and had no problem running it using Windows 10, 50ish fps with all in medium and fsr perfomance

>>1233664 >fsr perfomance Well of course, you're running it at 540p and upscaling it

>>1223913 >no, i prefer to PAY with my money and/or data to Microshaft rather that use a FREE OS because the creator might be a communist Your problem is entirely self-afflicted.

>>1228386 You should be able to. I was using 22h1 non IoT LTSC and the only thing I dealt with was the xbox app crying that my OS wasn't supported anymore but Forza booted and played just fine

>>1234427 Who the fuck pays for Windows

>>1238262 Normies unironically do. They either don't know about MAS or don't trust it I know a guy who bought W10 Pro like 2 years ago

>>1238328 Tragic. Back in my days even the most normal of the normies had a pirated Windows, possibly from their haxxor friend.

Who the fuck has problems running games on win10? what games are you getting errors in OP?

>>1238376 its a falseflag i have yet to run into any game having problems on win 10. actually, im getting higher performance than win 11 cucks.

>no, i prefer to PAY with my money and/or data to Microshaft rather that use a FREE OS because the creator might be a communist Yeah, unironically.

I never upgraded windows. Im on win10 and i would want to get the LTSC upgrade. Does that mean i have to delete everything on my pc and do a fresh install of windows? I cannot afford to lose my stuff.

>>1238448 I'd use Linux if it was better than Windows, even if it was made by literal communists The thing is, Linux still isn't better than Windows If Linux gets better than Windows in the future, I'll switch to it. In this situation, staying on Windows because "at least it's not made by commies" would be like drinking a tall glass of steaming diarrhea from a jeet instead of a beer from a commies because "at least I'm not a commie"

>>1238607 >The thing is, Linux still isn't better than Windows Why do you think that is? Freetards (i.e. the literal communists) don't make good software. Emacs is like the only exception.

>>1238802 You don't use yt-dlp, ffmpeg and OBS? What about emulators? You never use them? In most cases, third party open source emulators are superior to official commercial ones

>>1238603 please help..

>>1238864 While that's true they still haven't made an entire OS out of it that's suitable for most people in the same way windows is something like MINT gets VERY close, but it's not quite there. If you ever have to go under the hood and go into command line to solve anything then shit is fucked.

>>1232504 enterprise iot, and enterprise ltsc iot, do not have tpm requirements at all and do not need a bypass

>>1238882 >If you ever have to go under the hood and go into command line to solve anything then shit is fucked You literally have to do this for certain things on Windows like uninstalling Cortana

>>1238950 WPD and shutup10 automate this entirely

>>1238864 "Freetard" has connotations beyond just user or even developer FOSS software. Making software for free and giving away it's source code is fine, but the "Free Software movement" is a cult, as well as "Unix philosophy".

>>1238968 >having to download and use third party software to change settings is better than entering a command

>>1238984 Don't most loonix gaymers use lutris and/or steam just to avoid using wine on the command line?

>>1238984 Yes, fuck your command line nigger

>>1239153 >calling me a nigger when you're the one who doesn't like using the command line You're the nigger Terry was right

>>1239194 A genius admires simplicity, an idiot admires complexity from the mans own mouth

>>1239201 Exactly Typing yt-dlp URL In your terminal to download a Youtube video is faster and simpler than using a GUI

>>1239229 I've actually had yt-dlp break on me before freetube works a lot better IMO

>>1224291 >Compatibility When you consider mainstream shit, the only things not supported are things that are being maliciously or ignorantly withheld. Windows has similarly massive issues with compatibility (such as with its filesystems), but everyone just glosses over it because they were never exposed to things that needed to work outside of Windows. >End user experience If you can learn some basic shit and drop bad habits, then it's really just about figuring out what end user experience you want, because that's ultimately why there are so many distros in the first place. >>1224707 The Windows cycle hasn't even been a thing since XP. The only reason 7 gets the reputation as the good version is because hardware and software development caught up with Vista's bloat and experimental features. There has been no similar development for 8, 10 or 11, because there will never be again be a Windows phone to vindicate their UI decisions. >>1238882 Using CLI isn't going "under the hood", it's just a normal and easily adjusted workflow. The average user doesn't even need to understand anything complicated in order to get it do what they want. >>1239201 And the CLI is very simple, easily automated and easily integrated with other programs. The GUI needs to hide away options in menus to avoid the bloat associated with every capability of the program having its own graphical element.

>>1239396 >very simple >people have to do CLI shit just to get audio working sometimes it entirely depends on what distro you're using if its anything arch based it's super fucked unless it's something like steamOS

>>1239396 >The GUI needs to hide away options in menus to avoid the bloat associated with every capability of the program having its own graphical element This >GUI: Wheat > Wheat Grain > Wheat Flour > Dough > Bread Loaf > Baked Bread >CLI: Bread

I honestly just hate windows 11 since I'm forced to use it at work and it's honestly dog shit with errors I have to deal with even with something as simple as Microsoft Outlook. Also occasionally my work computer will occasionally will start to sound like a jet engine with certain webpages. The thought of having to force upgrade from 10 makes me fucking aggravated. I'm just waiting to see what steamOS will be like on desktop and I'm ditching windows.

>>1221663 >I can't even say I know for sure if moving on to Linux is any kind of solution. At this point, it's literally just developers that refuse to let Linux run on it. All games effectively work flawlessly thanks to Valve's Proton compatibility layer. This obviously begs the follow up: What do (You) play, OP?

Well, I installed Kubuntu, and it was a pain in the ass because I tried to set up a "dual boot" partition on a single hard drive. Mistake #1: I didn't allocate enough space for the Kubuntu partition, I made it as small as possible. As a result, it ended up being like 10GB. No bueno, so I had to use a disk management program called GParted to retrieve free space from the windows partition and then add it to the Kubuntu partition. However, in order to edit a partition, it can't be in use, it needs to be unmounted; How are you going to add all that free space to the partition you're currently using? Yeah, so I had to get a usbdrive and flash it with GParted so I could edit the Kubuntu partition TO THE LEFT which apparently is not recommended but whatever I did it anyway. Shit took like 4 hours. Once that shit was done, I was able to run the OS with little problems, save for my own dumbassery. Mistake #2: I tried to install AMD drivers. Apparently, you don't need to do that with Linux because those drivers are already built into the system. Well how the fuck was I supposed to know that? I somehow either deleted the default drivers or installed bad drivers because I couldn't figure out for the life of me why my second monitor wasn't working. Basically I had to enter safe mode and repair my repos to fix this shit. Mistake #3: I thought I could use a NTFS drive without any meddling. All my Steam games are on this 2TB drive I have. I'd reformat it but shit would take a long time to download and with my shit internet that's unfeasible. I'd rather move data beforehand. Since my new drive hasn't arrived yet, I'm stuck with all my Steam games on an NTFS drive. I know there are workarounds, I'm going to try to make it work but the end goal is to just get a new drive, format it correctly, and move all my shit there. Linux is a pain in the ass, I can see why it's not for normalfags. You have to have the autism if you want to use this OS.

>>1253737 so it's the os fault it doesn't babysit your dumb ass?

>>1221663 You have three choices. >Keep using Windows 10 EOL and use massgrave's utility to unlock post EOL enterprise updates >Use Linux >Swap to 11 That's it. There is no other choice. And Enterprise updates on 10 aren't going to address your DX12 problems.

Only feature I can think off that's exclusive to W11 is some hardware scheduler or something that fixes a lot of issues with game assigning the shitty e-cores and getting worse performance in the end. I don't know of any other one that's a must have, unlike dx12 that was a w10 exclusive for a long time.

>>1223751 i like how you say >never explain why in detail, just knee-jerk regurgitation of shit they heard like it isint a great reason to not uproot all your files and reinstall them on a new slower os

>>1253737 No, you're right, it IS a pain in the ass to customize with linux. It's that way by design because asking to customize with linux is like asking to bake your own cake because you want to make your own flavor instead of the store-bought one. Of course it's complicated. It's not easy if you don't have any experience in it. >how are you going to add all that free space to the partition you're currently using? Yeah, so I had to get a usbdrive and flash it with GParted so I could edit the Kubuntu partition TO THE LEFT which apparently is not recommended but whatever I did it anyway. Like this, mistake#2. it's not recommended for a reason. So now on top of baking your own cake, you're also making your own recipe for baking your own cake because you're not following the recipe, either. These problems compound when using Linux because it's the most fast and stable system ever if you're just using it by every recommended method but it doesn't stop you from going outside of the box like Windows or Mac would. >Well how the fuck was I supposed to know that? And then Mistake #3: You swapped to linux without reading anything about it. You made the mistake of thinking Linux is Windows but free. Of course you're going to run into problems. On top of baking a cake because you want a certain flavor, not following the recipe because you want to do something not recommended, you also don't even know what cake you're baking. You're just winging it. You have an idea of what cakes are from eating one specific cake and that's it, but you're not baking that cake. You assumed every cake must be the same and set out to make your own. This is the low-end of the problem, computers are much more complex than baking. If you're going to use linux, you need to do some reading because even holding your hand isn't going to stop you from making these mistakes. they're called beginner mistakes for a reason.

>>1246144 isint steam os just arch linix, proton, and plasma? im asking because im probably just going to install those yhree on my d drive and boot into either that or windows

>>1223751 >everyone bitches and moans about how "horrible" Win11 is The problem is that when people give you reasons you brush it off as "Not valid" like all windows faggots do >Microsoft has implemented telemetry for years that saps resources and is exporting an unverified amount of information from your system at all times "Schizo shit, isn't happening, if it's happening it's a good thing" >You can check this happening with ifconfig /checkdns at any powershell terminal to see your computer flooding DNS requests to dozens of microsoft servers at all times "Schizo shit, isn't happening, if it is happening it's a good thing" >You can check benchmarks to see how the constantly OS overhead is slowly starting to eat into user space "Schizo shit, isn't happening, if it is happening it's a good thing" >Even Linux, running a compatibility layer, is kicking the shit out of Windows 11 on benchmarks now "Schizo shit, isn't happening, if it is happening it's a good thing" >The forced updates are becoming more aggressive, gradually lessening what can be opted out of when Windows 10 sold itself on the forced updates being only security issues "Schizo shit, isn't happening, if it is happening it's a good thing" >The UI is becoming less customizable as well. With bars, tabs, and entire toolbars that can't be edited or changed, with increasingly ugly clashes between legacy Windows panels and modern Metro electron aesthetics "Schizo shit, isn't happening, if it is happening it's a good thing" >And the legacy windows panels are still required because on top of this, Windows 11's native settings menu is missing hundreds of options that are only configurable in ancient Windows NT control panel settings or in powershell on the command line "Schizo shit, isn't happening, if it is happening it's a good thing" Do you see yet why no one engages with you? You're clearly not arguing in good faith and never have so you shouldn't expect anyone else to either. Do you want a prize for most disingenuous faggot award for continuing to pretend no one has ever addressed you? Because you just won it.

>year of the linux desktop for sure >oh yeah you still need to use command line to get sound working

>>1221663 I run 2013 Windows 10 and sometimes I get some window about GPU drivers on horribly "optimized" UE5 games (like Tokyo Xtreme Racer) Otherwise everything runs fine. Except UE5 games, which keep using 100% of my GPU.

I'd rather subject myself to Linux technical issues than deal with the borderline malware that is modern Windows

>>1253956 Wrong, Alsa installs default with almost every distro, now. As well as a frontend to control it. If you don't have it, any apt-based distro like Ubuntu has a software repository and searching 'sound' in it brings up alsa and a frontend. >>1253790 He has a point in that it takes a technical breadth to understand how to use Linux but that's true with any computer. When I first started installing Linux, I didn't know what an MBR was, what UEFI meant, or what a GPT formatted disk entailed. I only understood these things when I started installing Linux. And through installing Linux, I also learned to appreciate how simple of an operating system it was compared to Windows and how it does retarded shit like dumping its boot record on whatever disk it 'thinks' is going to be the main disk. Completely ignoring your Motherboard settings. Or how it will actively change other, existing UEFI records to put itself first and ignore everything else that isn't another windows install. So if you happen to have more than one drive, and it puts it on the wrong drive, and you remove that drive not knowing that it just did that- You just bricked that windows install until you fix it using bootmgr on a windows recovery disk. In Linux, the boot partition is /boot/. Wow, So much more complicated. I'll go insane trying to figure that out. This is just one example, but Windows and its simplicity falls apart once you give it any kind of scrutiny. People just put up with it because they're used to the hassle. They think "Oh that's just windows things" and move on when it kicks the bucket over something as simple as adding or removing a drive. They only hold grudges when Linux does it because it's alien to them.

>>1253790 No, I don't blame the OS, I was just remarking on how my own assumptions on what constitutes an operating system ultimately shot me in the foot. I admitted it was my own dumbassery. >>1253842 This is a good way to put it. You're right, it's my responsibility to educate myself as much as possible before I end up doing something even more stupid. All in all, it was worth it because Kubuntu is so much smoother and a general pleasure to use compared to the unresponsive bloated mess that is windows. Glad I got rid of it. Now i just need to wait for that drive to arrive so I can move all my data and nuke the windows partition for good.

>>1228386 Pretty sure you can still install all the microsoft bloatware you want and it should work just fine.

>>1253872 It also uses Nix

>>1221663 I swapped to using Linux last year and have had little to no problems with gaming thanks to Proton. If you choose to use Windows 11, you are niggercattle.

>>1238328 Someone in my family did the same thing 2 years ago, despite me telling him not to do it.

>>1239153 >he's proud of having to click files one by one instead of being able to write a simple script using regular expressions to select the files he wants and exclude the ones he doesn't man you computerlets are hilarious. btw the stuff above is no great feat, it's toddler stuff

>>1256472 yeah we are busy socializing with women instead of sitting in moms basement

>>1256502 girls don't are turned off by retards who can't into compouters and electronics

How to make Windows suck less and get more performance: 1. Open msinfo32, you can type it in Cmd and Enter. And make sure "virtualization based security" appears as "not enabled". This will cause stutters and slowdowns, In 24H2 is harder to remove because it became tied to windows hello, so you have to disable that as well in registry. 2. Download Unpark CPU from coderbag and Unpark all cores, this will help the machine to not move things around and use all cores when needed. 3. Go to Display-> Graphic settings and uncheck "optimizations for windowed games", this will cause stutters in games that don't run in full screen like MH Wilds.

Enjoy your bloated NSA backdoor, brainlets.

>>1256554 >girls don't are turned off by retards who can't into compouters and electronics bro? should i call an ambulance? are you are having stroke are?

>>1238448 Windows is free. You can even activate it for free with an activation script. I don't care about the data thing.

>>1253737 dual booting any machine is a mistake for beginners. Never dual boot unless you absolutely know what you're doing, windows AND linux installers can both be faggots and fuck up boot partitions very easily. If you absolutely need dual functionality, have two separate removable drives in enclosures that have complete separate installs that run on the same hardware. You're losing very little in speed as long as long as your machine has USB 3.0 Kubuntu is also a mistake for babby's first OS. Just use linux mint with the Cinnamon DE and be done with it. Do NOT use any arch-based distros. They're for faggots.

>>1265999 >windows AND linux installers can both be faggots and fuck up boot partitions very easily. windows is known for fucking up your boot setup by rewriting your default bootloader (rewrites /efi/boot) and setting itself at the top of the boot order priority list on uefi because fuck you. usually the problem is solved by adjusting the boot order in the absolute worst case scenario you need to mount the /efi partition on your boot drive and reinstall grub. if worst comes to worst you have to edit the list of registered bootloaders (via tools like efibootmgr and efi boot editor)

dont worry. windows recall taking screenshots of your pc every 3 minutes will make games work a lot better. Its good for saving memories!

>>1256560 >option called "optimizations for windowed games" >enable it <windowed games run worse sasuga, pajeetsoft

>>1221663 That might be the case normally, buuuut for me it's made easier by the fact that almost every new release sucks balls and isn't worth playing. Don't need a new OS when all the games I play are 10+ years old. I still run Win7 and manage just fine. The newest titles I actually play with any sort of regularity are from like, 2017. That said, I have been considering biting the bullet and learning Linux if I do find myself needing to update my OS, rather than "upgrading" to the latest M$ botnet.

>>1221663 I use AMD so I can keep going on linux just fine. Oh look, here's a distro that ports all of the Steam OS QoL features and pre-installations over to desktop!

Steam on Linux just werks.

My hardware is apparently "incompatible with Windows 11". No idea why/how but I'm thankful for it. >>1266772 And it makes OpenAI smarter! Because everyone who uses a computer is smart! >>1253872 I think the only unique thing about steamOS is the built-in framerate limiter.

>>1267054 >immutable Retarded

Linux is getting more viable by the day if you don't need to use certain software.

>>1267054 I personally prefer CachyOS.

>>1267197 Just made my friend try it out. There's a single game he can't play and it isn't even due to anti-cheat. Players have already submitted an issue to the proton guys about getting it to work. Other than that, he's liked it.

>>1223913 As if all of tech hasn't been thoroughly infected by this shit for years.

>>1266791 the question I've always had is why microshaft is so intent on pouring millions into useless garbage that cripples its own OS. >>1268290 I consider rootki I mean anti-cheat not working a feature to be hoenst

>>1269260 No anti-cheat involved whatsoever.

>>1268669 this is sadly the crux of the issue: Tech in general is just an echo chamber of silicon valley. It's changing, it's slowly starting to revert, but the damage is done to the western parts of it. We'll never be rid of CoCs and corporate hands puppeting useful idiots around like a weapon.

>>1269338 I honestly wonder how much of this shit was instigated by big players like Microsoft in order to kneecap FOSS.

>>1228196 >but how does this affect you? Linus proved himself how it affects me just this week when he pushed an unstable patch to the Linux Kernel to fix a GCC issue because he had a skill issue and installed an older version of it. Him thinking he's king of the Linux kernel and being too autistic to ever admit he's wrong has negative effects on not just its perception but functionality. Thankfully, he doesn't use the same parts of it that I do so I can safely ignore most of his antics but his other shit (Pushing for CoCs in everything) directly affects me, it was never his place to decide he was the dictator of Linux.

>>1269354 Just looking at the composition of the Rust Foundation and other associated FOSS projects that have decided to go on the warpath to push every other FOSS project out makes me think it's close to 80 maybe even 90%, with the remaining 10% being the celebs who bent the knee to them while everyone else like Stallman got ousted.

>>1269359 > but his other shit (Pushing for CoCs in everything) I would say he's doing it begrudgingly. after SJWs forced him to step back from linux kernel development 6 years ago, he ended up benting the knee to the snowflake parasites that infect and and subvert free software projects so he could get his post back. not defending the SJW shit, but if he hadn't given in he'd probably have ended up like the drupal maintainer who was targeted by SJW freaks and blackmailed over personal life shit (some asshole dug dirt on him after finding an account of his on some underground site where he revealed he was into the gorean lifestyle or whatever and that's doubleplusungood) as an aside, eric s raymond was also successfully deplatformed by SJWs hell, even stallman got deplatformed (see that article by the cunt selam jie gano who works for the military industrial complex building drones) for defending a dead colleague from false allegations (RMS said a girl who offered him sex at epstein's island 'probably presented herself willingly' (he should have phrased it as 'was coerced into presenting herself willingly') but he's too autistic and innocent to notice misunderstandings)

>>1269575 >RMS said a girl who offered him sex at epstein's island meant a girl who offered RMS' now dead colleague sex at epstein's island

>>1269575 RMS is probably the most egregious example because after their accusations over that fell flat they then began digging up blog posts he wrote 20 years ago about age of consent and freedom of information. And then it culminated recently in that dumb cunt trying to organize a hit team over twitter to assault him in a parking lot after one of his university talks.

I moved to Linux after moving on from Windows 7. Worked out well so far (been using it one year)

>>1221663 the only times I've gotten DX12 errors were: >CS2 launch turned out I needed to update my drivers. never happened again after updating, although the game crashed many, many times. it crashed even more when using the vulkan wrapper though, and performed worse as well. >Robocop Rogue City turned out when the game had crashed it was because the driver had crashed, and now my PC had effectively no GPU, hence no DX12 support. fixed by rebooting. never happened again in 20+ hours of play. I suspect you are simply experiencing driver issues and should try out different drivers until you find one that is stable for the games you want to run. I'm gonna stick with Win 10 with this PC. Win 11 or whatever comes after (they could skip 12 like they skipped 9) isn't even a consideration until I build a new PC several years from now. I don't think about it at all.

Just treat old versions of windows like an arcade cabinet or console, most people upgrade their hardware every 3-5 years so the old hardware is already there.

Realistically, what will happen once W10 stops getting support? Most people are too retarded to migrate to Linux, specially gamers, but they obviously aren't going to W11 as well since even normies hate it + hardware specifications being too high. How will this turn out?

>>1272124 >Realistically, what will happen once W10 stops getting support? define "stops getting support". if you mean stops getting security updates, nobody will care. if you mean there are big games people want to play and straight up can't on Win 10 then gamers will move on to 11. don't blame me, you said "realistically".

>>1224707 Wangblows 12 is not going to exist, Micro$haft stock holder meetings and announcements have repeatedly menitoned how 11 is going to be a live update service, they even admitted intent to charge a subscription for it but froze that idea for the time being when they noticed that their monopoly wasn't actually strong enough to sustain that without looking bad on the graphs.

>>1272145 >Micro$haft stock holder meetings and announcements have repeatedly menitoned how 11 is going to be a live update service they literally already said this about 10 but then made 11 any way. how could you fall for it twice? >admitted intent to charge a subscription for it but froze that idea for the time being again, exactly why 11 exists in the first place. they couldn't figure out how to charge a subscription for 10. rinse and repeat. in a few years they will once again grovel and accept they can't turn Windows into a subscription so they will announce "12" to rip off businesses and normies some more.

>>1272141 First case as the second one will never realistcally happen, devs need a bigger userbase than people who are willing to bottleneck themselves for digital toys. If no one cares, sounds like an easy way to infect a shitton of computers easily, and people won't buy the "just go to 11 lmao" narrative honestly.

>>1272166 >If no one cares, sounds like an easy way to infect a shitton of computers easily browsers and adblockers are an effective first line of defense nowadays. it's kinda hard to catch anything malicious, and that's if you're just dragging your digital dick through the sewer of the internet. if you're being a reasonable user who checks the email sender before opening attachments etc. how would you download a virus these days? I remember having to format my PC in the 2000s more than once, mostly due to shit like game cracks. after that everything became so safe though, I used the same Windows 7 install from 2010 until 2019 and I'm now on the same Win 10 install since 2019. I've been pirating some games and music even on this newest PC and I don't bother with any updates until I need them to maintain game compatibility kek I remember lots of talk about ransomware in the mid to late 2010s, but I personally don't know anyone who caught it. seemed to only affect companies and government departments because hackers targeted them with social engineering specifically. >ooh, hackermans can compromise your security, that's why you always have to install the newest updates, look at this story... >look inside >it's just another boomer or woman opening email attachments or scanning QR codes you have to think about the motivations of hackers. who is going to seek out private individuals who still use Win 10 in 2027? does that sound like a lucrative target?

>>1272145 all microshit need to do is make it a no fuzz os. as lightweight and snappy as windows 2000, without all the stupid eyecandy, yet somehow they refuse. it's like they were shooting their feet on purpose

>>1272165 >again, exactly why 11 exists in the first place. they couldn't figure out how to charge a subscription for 10 you're mistaken. windows, just like office, is a subscription service >release version >set end of updates date >release trickle of patches once per week that will keep the goyim updating in fear >freeze features, withhold significant upgrades until next major version release ($$$) >incorporate killer features next release >if that wasn't enough, also go out of your way to break compatibility with previous versions to force the goyim to upgrade (e.g. (((OOXML))) and its revisions, dynamic charts, etc.). make defaults break compatibility. it will work since tech-illiterate normgroids are too retarded to enter settings >???? >PROFIT! the only difference is that you pay every few years instead of every month (e.g. ms office was '95, '97, 2000, 2003, 2007, 2010, 2013, 2016, 2020) and previous versions still work (but don't expect to be able to open documents sent to you on older versions)

>>1272244 how would you trick users into constantly getting newer versions of a "no fuzz" OS? adding pointless features is how they justify why there needs to be a new version, and also how the many, many employees justify why their job position will remain necessary forever. bloat is good for advertising and for job security.

Tbh at this point I'm just gonna keep my gaming pc the way it is and just use it for gaming/producing music while I have a separate computer for linux and everything else. I've also thought about having a up a live linux usb but that sounds kind of like a pain and less convenient

t. arch-user

>>1221663 install pop_os on a separate partition or drive you're not fucked but come October you're going to have to stop playing some games which are incompatible

>>1272244 There's tools to cut your own windows ISO down to size, just that anyone sharing a prebuilt probably put some jeetware on it, so you can't trust anyone's build, only playbooks at best. I've been able to play half-life goty and other CDs just fine on windows.

>>1272244 >windows 2000 >good

>>1272395 won't get rid of the built-in bloat (UWP garbage, cortana/search bloat, edge (baked into the OS) >>1272536 it's the last good windows OS, yes. all they needed to do was to follow its design philosophy and build on it (ipv6 support, wi-fi support, multi-language support, 64 bits, drivers, UAC, memory segmentation, data execution prevention, sandboxing, etc.) instead of tacking on shit absolutely no one asked for like Metro and UWP

>>1221663 Anon I was using Win7 until January 2021 and my friend was using it until like late 2022. Who cares?

>>1272609 Demonstrably does, more than those debloat tools post-install.

>dude I fucking HATE Windows!! >Windows SUCKS bro >FUCK MICRO$OFT <Switch to Linux? >no

>>1272890 Maybe loonix sucks more.

>>1272899 It doesn't since Linux is what you make of it.

>>1272911 You could say the same thing about windows.

>>1221663 >Are you totally fucked if you don't want to "upgrade" to this horrible pile of crap to play video games? If you are EVER playing a game that requires a version of Windows released AFTER Windows 7, it's not a game worth playing.

>>1272919 No you couldn't, Windows is proprietary software that actively fights against you and any changes you try to make to it. Linux is shitty for the opposite reason, it's so open that it's taken decades for anyone to barely sort of agree on a standardized desktop environment.

>>1272946 In the context of vidya, there isn't much I want Windows to do but it's unfortunately not flawless either. Still less issues than Linux whenever you move out of Steam shit or emulation.

>>1221663 steamOS will save us

>>1273813 Lol, lmfao even.

>>1273813 SteamOS is just a big picture front end with Arch/KDE Plasma for the desktop environment IIRC. It’s already out there, anyone that wanted to could have just made the switch. If they’re intimidated by Arch they can even move onto a more beginner friendly distro like Mint or any Ubuntu flavor. They’ll stick with Windows 11 even with its glaring faults compared to current Windows 10 because they don’t want to relearn a new OS, or get the hang of new programs.

>>1273813 Anyone who actually believes this doesn't know what they're talking about. Just use CachyOS. 72e66c4c

>>1221663 slightly off topic question but does the volume mixer not work for anyone else in windows 11? I'll have my volume for a game turned lower than my browser but then I'll go back in game and it's still louder than it

>>1274793 I'm using a laptop so I don't think that would be all that useful for me unless I plan to connect my headphones to it but that did prompt me to check my speaker drivers and realtek haven't pushed out a new driver since october so I don't even know. Maybe I should try installing one from before that

>>1223751 Win11 is so bad in terms of telemetry it makes even 10 look privacy friendly in comparison. In 11 even motherfucking notepad and paint have a mandatory privacy policy now. Can't crop a screenshot, edit a config file or make a note without informing the mothership. Every single program in this operating system has data collection baked in without any way to opt out. Its interface is slow as hell, it feels noticeably slower than Windows 10 or Linux. As if my computer is mentally retarded. It also consumes much more RAM on idle compared to 10. The GUI is incredibly bloated in terms of size as if it is designed for a toddlers tablet. The taskbar is huge, taking up a fat chunk of your screen real estate, with no small option like previous versions of Windows. Sure, you can enable auto hide which has a very slow animation for no reason. The option to ungroup and label your taskbar items only arrived like 3 years after release and is extremely buggy. Of course microshit never bothered to fix that. Speaking of bugs, explorer hangs or crashes a lot for no reason, another major problem they never did anything about. The right click menu has been changed, taking up more space while offering less functionality. They also buried all program specific options under a submenu, which just opens the old windows 10 menu with old styling. Really, the entire GUI feels like something cobbled together out of random parts by hobbyists, as if i am using a shitty Linux distro. Then there's the godawful start menu designed to funnel you ads above everything else, it also sends all your search queries to Bing. (The only way to disable this is through the registry) Speaking of ads, every once in a while you get a full screen popup at startup that demands you login to Micro$oft's services, again there is no button to disable this. Or how about the mandatory MS account requirement at setup which keeps becoming harder to bypass even on the pro version. And last but not least you've got the shitty xbox overlay that hijacks your controllers home button, which i haven't ever succeeded in disabling properly without ruining the ability to custom map said button. TL;DR Windows 11 is made by retards for retards. I will be sticking to win10.

>>1272364 pop_OS gets a lot right but Gnome sucks ass.

>>1274932 after a bit of trouble shooting I've realized it does work but the tuning for it is bit weird if you don't set the application volume below 10 or 15 you'll barely notice a difference in volume

>>1221663 Honestly if you only play single player games than Linux will work perfectly fine for you. Marvel Rivals and Halo work just fine on Linux as well.

>>1274961 you're not wrong about gnome, I found that I had to dock the "dock" to the left of the screen and keep it always on to stay content with how it looks and feels. I might just switch to kde some day but gnome is what I've always used in linux

>>1274111 mint sucks for nvidia cards and I only know this because I wasted time installing mint and experienced issues that didn't arise during my test run on live boot media

>>1272919 no you can't. see >>1274958 for examples speaking of which, don't forget the (((TPM))) requirement goy! reminder that (((TPMs))) exist solely to enforce (((trusted computing))) garbage like (((remote attestation))), an anti-user measure that enables crooked practices like forcing you to download only from approved sources. pic related is an example of jewgle's implementation

>>1221663 >Are you totally fucked if you don't want to "upgrade" to this horrible pile of crap to play video games? No? Literally everything works on my machine (Windows 10 IoT LTSC 2021, but I just updooted from LTSB 2016 and literally everything worked on that too).

>>1274961 Personally I use pop_OS with KDE. The fact that Gnome doesn't like it when you make Desktop shortcuts made me instantly switch to something else. I don't like it when an OS tells me how I should manage my Desktop, I should be free to clutter it as much as I want to.

>>1277542 Desktop icons are objectively retarded. But gnome is also objectively retarded.

>>1221663 If you don't want to upgrade you can always try your luck with this program, allows you to install updated software on older versions of windows. https://github.com/i486/VxKex I tried it on Windows 7 and it allowed me to install some versions of Python that were previously declared incompatible, however it's a huge crapshot whether it will work or not. I'm fairly sure that Windows 10 is probably easier to work with.

>>1275509 >mint sucks for nvidia cards Nvidia sucks for Linux, more like. Blame the awful drivers.

>>1278745 VxKex definitely does work for a lot of stuff, but it's not 100% perfect. You'll still probably have to dick around with some manual fixes like copying your xinput DLLs around.

I switched to Linux and I can run every game I could on windows (I don't play competitive multiplayer slop) and I don't have to deal with Windows bloat, just whatever I choose to put on my system. Feels good.

>>1278864 It feels good until you have to mod even a single game and you're teleported to 2006 where you need to follow detailed 14 step instructions to apply a texture patch, while windows users get to download a mod manager, drag and drop a zip file on top of it, and then apply the mod wherever. And that's if the mod manager doesn't have an embedded download list at all, which most usually do nowadays. I'm all for linux, and I use it as my daily driver and gaming OS, but it comes with a few caveats and hassles, that's for sure.

>>1278982 Yeah I haven't played anything where I've needed to/or wanted to mod anything yet admittedly. That'll probably be the main headache point if I want to play something weird like the shitty Sonic Adventure ports and I need to figure out how to get mods running via Bottles.

>>1278982 >drop folders into gayme root >WINEDLLOVERRIDES="[name of gaymod.dll]=n,b" %command% >feel like ebin hackerman I don't see the problem.

>>1275893 I've literally disabled the TPM requirement for ISOs, and if you remove half the bloat then there is a lot less telemetry to begin with. Once again you seem to be confusing post-install scripts with modifying the ISO installer to never have that content.

>>1278982 Most mod managers work perfectly fine over wine. I modded mass effect with it easily. I'm pretty sure vortex even has a native linux client. Yeah things might be a little more involved and clunky, but the mod managers themselves almost always can be made to work.

>>1279071 >I've literally disabled the TPM requirement for ISOs you're bypassing the checks. they're not gone. microshaft still wants you to make an account and own nothing. if they ever get serious no amount of ntlite will stop them, just like jewgle did with (((safetynet))) aka (((play integrity))) as for the ads, an update can 'repair' the system and reintroduce them anytime with a (((feature update))) >inb4 I use ltsc iot there's no way to get those legally without forking out hundreds you're like a crack addict jumping through an increasing number of hoops to get his next hit

>>1223913 >want to switch operating systems >find out the guy who made the linux kernel has an opinion i don't like >looks like i'm stuck on windows

>>1278982 sounds like the problem are (((mod managers))). seriously, you shouldn't need an application to unpack and replace files in a folder, then repack. a script should do just fine.

>>1278751 yeah but at least on pop_os I can use my machine with no effort and play most games if I want to but that's not what I normally do on linux

>>1280238 Does KDE work well on Pop OS? I hear good things about it but I don't really like the way it looks

>>1282151 It's fine but at that point, just use Linux Mint since they're both Debian-based

11 is so much better than 10, its truly an upgrade, especially for gaming. Need to be a complete autistic hipster not wanting to upgrade, especially since its free

I'll probably use the LTSC version of Win11 eventually once Win10 is unusable. Or maybe the LTSC version of Win12.

Stop falling for schizo niggerbabble and upgrade already. 11 works on decade old hardware.

>>1287007 >everyone that disagrees with me is a FEDBOTSHILLNIGGERTRANNYJEW Back to cuckchan with your schizo nonsense.

>>1253872 That's exactly why I'm looking forward to it, proton has been so helpful for me as someone who uses a Steam Deck. I just enjoy the UI experience since frankly with my strongest PC I literally only use it for just playing games. I don't really do anything else on it since another computer I have serves as my utility/drawing/torrenting rig, although I'm fucked with that one too since that one also has windows 10. Even if I chose to upgrade it to windows 11, I can't because Microsoft's retarded hardware requirement barring so much great used PCs. It is a repurposed optiplex from a school or office.

>>1287065 There's probably just some command you can use during the install to disable the hardware requirement. But windows is gay and retarded, just use Linux.

>>1287007 Thanks for the heads-up 8chan user. Your valuable feedback helps us provide a more seamless experience for everyone.

>>1280111 Don't really care what fantasy you've cooked up lol, just saying it works fine for me and I spent less time fixing everything mentioned than a linux problem every few months.

>>1256563 THat is the most accurate representation og the hassle with linux gaming I have ever seen. Well deon, good sir or madam.

>>1267141 >implying the average windows casual isn't better served by that

>>1287239 Yeah I'm sure forcing people to get all their software through flatpaks uploaded by complete randoms definitely won't have any major repercussions as millions of retards start adopting Linux rather than getting it from their distros repos. That definitely won't become a vector for malware.

>>1287274 not to mention the FUCKING BLOAT

>>1286995 The problem isn't that it works (not well either) The problem is that it's fucking spyware. The whole OS is literal spyware.

>>1287305 I said to cease the schizobabble.

The best thing is that there are no games worth playing on Win 11 anyway and you'll never afford a rig that could because of the tariffs and the sheer amount of bloat. 64 gigs of ram! 64gb of VRAM! 300 GB of textures for the tranny bathrooms! SIXTEEN CORE PROCESSOR REQUIRED BUT THE GAME IS STILL SINGLETHREADED LOLOLOLOL

>>1287315 It's not schizobabble just because you're too retarded to understand it bro. Search "Windows 11 privacy concerns" if you want a list of articles explaining how you're an idiot. This is the latest of a growing list of concerns https://www.pcgamer.com/software/windows/windows-ai-feature-takes-screenshots-of-your-desktop-every-few-seconds-and-i-cant-imagine-wanting-that/

And don't forget you need special AI hardware so the WokeGPT can make sure you're not doing any heckin' microaggressions!

>>1287274 true, flatpaks can be unsafe. luckly windows users are trained to not to download and install random shit they got from the internet... >>1287300 >caring about bloat <using windows

>>1287331 >just search bro I don't care about windows recall because I'm not stupid. You can turn it off just like you can copilot. <b-but it might not REALLY be off what if the ghost of terry davis turned it on and started typing in a terminal calling you a cia gorilla nigger that glows in the dark because you watched a tamers video once Meds. You're the type of people who think you can't use a local account anymore.

>>1286995 >>1287315 >If you dont suck (((gates))) dick, (you) are a schizo. Shut up retard. Windows is known to be literal spyware, full of telemetry and every day it gets worse. (See the retarded Cuckpilot M365 update and the AI screenshot shit). And i dont even want to know the minimal requierement for that WIn 11 shit. Probally you need a whole server to use the stupid search bar. Instead of giving (you)r data to pajeets, get a personality and install a better OS.

>>1279048 >>1280036 >>1280112 You're missing the point. And you're all also using the simplest example that exists, which is a mod folder already in the right format that you just need to drop into a game's folder. This works well with most BepinX plugins and unity shit, but quickly falls down as the game becomes more and more niche and not-unity, when all windows has to do is install a mod manager and be done with it. I mean, fuck, just look at all the bullshit you have to do just to get OBSE working in the pre-master oblivion in linux. Windows is, and will always be, objectively the most seamless experience. This, of course, comes with a cost, but in the same way that going to Linux comes with a cost and some pros as well, and objectively speaking, the majority of retarded nigger users that barely manage windows would roll themselves in pain over anything that isn't "open steam, play game" on linux.

>>1287385 >Windows is, and will always be, objectively the most seamless experience. No is disputing this. The claim was that you could use mod managers on Windows but not Linux, this is false.

I use Linux, works on my machine

>>1287370 If this isn't bait you're actually mentally handicapped. Here's your (you). Go hug your mom and thank her for taking care of you.

>>1287398 You can, but even that is a pain. I needed a custom client to use r2modman for risk of rain 2, and r2modman just doesn't work for outward, like, at all. No one has figured how to get r2modman to work for it, and most solutions are just "well, download it using r2modman and then just drag and drop the folders in the right place lmao", as if needing to do this in the first place doesn't kind of defeat the purpose of the mod manager anyway.

>>1287380 >>1287405 <everyone that disagrees with me is wrong and baiting and trolling and MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS Back to cuckchan, kiddies. This is a real site, so you need to provide actual counterpoints and discussions. >And i dont even want to know the minimal requierement for that WIn 11 shit. Your shitbox probably can't even handle 8.1 if you're that paranoid. I have it running on a laptop with a shitty 4th gen i7 mobile that has no problem running it.

>>1287416 >everyone that knows about this widely discussed topic is schizophrenic Alright man

>>1287368 >luckily windows users are trained to not to download and install random shit they got from the internet... why do you undermine your own point? >>1287274 >Yeah I'm sure forcing people to get all their software through flatpaks uploaded by complete randoms definitely won't have any major repercussions as millions of retards start adopting Linux see, this is what pisses me off instead of learning to adapt, winshitters insist on turning everything into shitdows (double click and everything works automagically, if anything goes wrong it's the maker's fault. fuck reading logs or having settings and options, only my use case matters). hell, it's not like you can't already add alternate repos by editing a repo sources file, but apparently that's unthinkable btw mobileshitters equally retarded but in the opposite direction. they think anything installed outside the (((jewgle play))) store must be malware and accept getting raped by (((permissions))) that you can't spoof or deny (e.g. launch at startup, unconditional internet access, read all files and media, inability to back up your data, read IMEI and phone status, etc.)

>>1287845 >fuck reading logs or having settings and options That's what holds linux desktop back. Normgroids don't want to read docs, troubleshoot or have too many options, but we've been unable to find a way to give them what they want while keeping the original reasons people use Linux intact. The elitism stops devs from making shit easy enough for them to use and makes regular users more likely to roll their eyes and say "here we go" as soon as someone mentions switching.

>>1287892 Not really, Linux is pretty simple and 1 click now. What is holding it back is decision paralysis because there's a million different distro's people recommend with varying issues. It's why people say they want SteamOS, well sort of. The retards that actually say they want SteamOS are just ignorant and trust Valve to make competent software. But people that are slightly more aware want SteamOS because it's centralized. If Fedora was the default recommendation then it would be easy to walk people through any quirks in the software or interface for new people. But instead people default to Mint, something very few people well versed in Linux actually use, and that has very outdated packages. Then the people well versed in Linux say retarded shit like just use arch, or they recommend niche gaming distributions that don't have a reliable and sustainable company backing them.

>>1287947 Agree about SteamOS. It will ship with issues, but Valve is the only large company who's really put much effort into bringing Linux to the mainstream and they're the only ones who have enough fanboys that'll try it just because it says "Steam". It will pick up momentum if it doesn't release as a complete disaster.

>>1287892 >That's what holds linux desktop back. Normgroids don't want to read docs why should anyone care about tech-illiterate niggercattle? it's thanks to their complacency that (((trustzone))) and (((TPMs))) have gained adoption. they're the reason (((play integrity))) and crapple's (((notarization))) exist. when corpos decide to yank the chain on them with applications that require (((remote attestation))), they will screech and demand that lunix bend the knee and add support for it asap (i.e. no free bootloaders or free drivers, no custom kernels, everything must be signed by corpos), no matter what. anyone who refuses to comply will be branded a 'loser basement-dwelling neoluddite nerd virgin purist who hates "security" and (((progress)))'

>>1288017 Whether it picks up as a genuine alternative to Windows will depend on a few things, in my eyes SteamOS needs to: 1. Be compatible not only with games and software, but also most graphics cards, processors, and mobos on the market 2. Be entirely free and relatively easy to install (for the normalfags out there) 3. Have some great marketing, which we all know Valve sucks at (not even the Steam Deck had much publicity), in order to reach the most people Now, something like SteamOS or Linux replacing Windows even in the business sector is an entirely different question with a different answer. I think that is a legit possibility even though Microshaft has a complete monopoly on (viable) business productivity software and mail.

>>1288059 What people don't take into account is that the operating system is mostly irrelevant to the usability of Linux. Steam itself is still not even where it needs to be for playing games over wine/proton. Basic things like setting the prefix for an executable aren't even implemented into the user interface. Anyone can release a retard proof Linux installer that ships with nvidia drivers, in fact multiple people already have (Nobara, CachyOS). Valve doesn't need to make an operating system, they need to make Steam actually expose basic wine functionality in a way the average user can understand. Until they can do that it's mostly irrelevant how "good" they can make SteamOS. They're already failing at making Steam itself good.

>>1221785 >>1221843 guessing no problems gaming? was gonna grab a 9070XT and install Opensuse on main PC and move my 3090 to a second PC to install Win 10 LTSC for Daz, learn some Blender and some gaming

>>1229903 They aren't painting their teeth, silver spraypaint has a solvent that makes it easier for the shit you get high off of to get into the bloodstream. IRL suicide bombers also tend to go on their final missions high as a kite.

>>1287274 Haven't there already been cases of chinks buying open sores repos from maintainers to take over maintenance, and within 3 months being malware shipped out as official? I'd fuck over everyone too if someone handed me 30-50k like those guys to not deal with the "i NEED to have commits for my resume" or unsafe code ai alertfags. I think one case was wordpress-related, another was in the python repos, and another just handed the keys to their github and aur handle.

>>1288418 >selling your account to some chink who will in turn ship malware that's possible on any platform, open or closed. you can sell your jewgle play, microshaft store, or crapple account to any random chink or poojeet, or to some corpo. worst of all, in the case of those platforms and proprietary software, you're fucked since everything is set to auto-update and you can't roll it back or fork the last good version >open sores good thing that shit can be forked for example, when the guy behind simple mobile tools sold his apps (gallery, dialer, contacts, calendar, etc.) to the slimebags at zipoapps, the guys at f-droid made a fork and everything continued like nothing had happened unfortunately, jewgle play will probably remove the non-malicious fork under its (((duplicate apps policy))) because jewgle is full of cunts like that

>>1288445 Thats why gentoo is the only operating system anyone should use since you can see each update's diff, yes :^)

>>1288445 What's the gallery fork? Friend used to use gallery simple mobile sold it

>>1287416 you are a retarded nigger if you believe M$ doesn't collect user data https://www.ghacks.net/2018/11/23/german-federal-office-bsi-publishes-telemetry-analysis/ https://www.neowin.net/news/new-video-shows-how-much-more-data-windows-11-sends-compared-to-older-versions/

>>1221663 Werks on my machine. I would rather run the FOTM debloat privacy script every 3-4 months and call it a day than deal with troonix tech support every week or more because some obscure bullshit broke for no reason despite leaving all the settings on their default positions. You have not felt pain until you have to crawl through decade old forum posts to try fix the obscure problem that popped up on your machine only for the thread to go "PMd you the fix :)".

>>1223751 It's just win10 with unnecessarily high artificial system requirements that the majority of their customers don't know how to bypass, and it somehow runs even worse.

I support Loonix in principle but I probably won't be touching it for another decade, and I never trust what FOSSelytes tell me about the state of the OS. I'll just use Winjews 10 for the foreseeable future until there's no choice but to use loonix.

yes everyone is totally fucked, once ai becomes sentient they will easily hack any old version of windows

Anyone know if ilok plugins (legit) work on linux with wine or something? What about ilok licencing program/service itself? My big collection of audio plugins/instruments are what are keeping me from switching to Linux, cause I don't know if Superior Drummer 3 works on Linux

>>1319634 >I would rather run the FOTM debloat privacy script every 3-4 months Can you elaborate on this? What do you do, why and why so often?

>>1274111 I'll just install Windows 11 LTSC, installing Linux puts a big target on your back, and then you have that Systemd NSA nigger shit backdoor which makes nearly as bad as Windows, at least with Windows you know you are not fully secure, with Linux you get only the illusion of security, very realistic illusion, but an illusion nonetheless.

I'll just install Windows 11 LTSC, installing Linux puts a big target on your back, and then you have that Systemd NSA nigger shit backdoor which makes nearly as bad as Windows, at least with Windows you know you are not fully secure, with Linux you get only the illusion of security, very realistic illusion, but an illusion nonetheless. Did you retards really though that they would allow a non bugged OS just like that? And then you have the hardware backdoors which nullify software security.

Not aware of any game not running on Win10 LTSC 2021, it should have DX12 Ultimate. That said, Win11 LTSC 2024 is manageable if you de-shittify it with WinUtil, and add back classic program like Windows Photo Viewer and other missing stuff replaced by shittier stuff.

>>1324119 >>1324187 glowing

>>1274111 How do I get KDE Plasma on Mint? I only know you can get it on arch with manjaro, but arch not stable enough (from what Ive been reported, I installed manjaro on a friends laptop and it eventually broke, mutahar also recently made video). Mint with Plasma is probably best way to experience linux, I wish there was easy way to switch/hop between different desktop environment, just so i could fuck between Plasma, Cinnamon and that Mac looking one.

>>1325204 It's apparently a pain in the ass from what I've read. Either go with Debian or Kubuntu. Personally, i'd never use anything but Arch (or Arch-based minus Manjaro or Garuda) or Fedora.

The replies to this thread are 4/g/ tier obnoxious and retarded Enterprise IoT 11 with >Classic shell >Old context menus via registry >Onedrive removed >Left-aligned taskbar Is basically the same as 10, and you also get a better settings menu and explorer tabs. That said you shouldn't have to do all this hack bullshit to make your computer useable.

>>1325947 Hacking isn't getting rid of win11 printing your anus.If I can't type in notepad or doodle in paint without shots of my screen going to MSHQ I'm not using it.

>>1221663 Just NTLite the Windows 11 Education edition and get with modern times.

>>1325947 >it's s-still u-usable. you just need to use these registry hacks, download and run these scripts written by some random redditor to remove the bloatware and spyware, disable these services, install replacement applications for half the OS (photo viewer, media player, web browser, pdf reader, text editor, etc.), and hack the OS to make the UI usable and prevent it from rebooting your computer whenever it wants to update Fucking hell, I want something that just works out of the box. If I wanted to waste my time I'd use trannux. At least it won't reboot itself randomly whenever it feels like it

>>1324883 >and add back classic program like Windows Photo Viewer and other missing stuff replaced by shittier stuff. I mean if you're gonna go through that effort why not just replace it with something actually good like imageglass.

>>1325947 >hack bullshit this is baby tier configuration. If you think the problem is le menus then be my guest, have fun You are right, your reply really feels like 4/g/

>>1325947 Doesn't the 11 IoT come with same extra telemetry shit that normal 11 does? Why use 11 IoT when even regular 11 is bad? Doesn't make any fucking sense, you shill.

>>1224291 Gentoo or Slackware if you like being an advanced user who is willing to learn the system and use the command-line. But if you just want a Windows-like experience with minimal fuss and learning curve, then probably Mageia or Linux Mint Cinammon will do it for you. >>1224343 This ain't fucking the 2000s, son. WINE actually works for gaming now, and if you can't be bothered to learn it you just use Lutris or PlayOnLinux which automatically handle that shit for you. Steam even has its own built-in WINE system with Proton so you can install Windows games on your Linux rig and they'll run out of the box without issues. >>1224778 Linux actually does older Windows games better than Windows does. Windows's compatibility with old software is fucked but no one seems to mention that. Some new games run better on Linux too, simply because Vulkan does it better than Dx12 so Linux translating Dx12 into Vulkan causes performance improvements. Sometimes you also run into weird shit like trying to game with a controller Windows won't fucking recognize properly and then you're better off on Linux.

>>1221663 Just stick with windows 10 for now. When Microsoft starts losing users because of high system requirements, they will provide an alternative version with lower requirements.

>>1287305 Just turn off the spyware, if it bothers you. It's easier than trying to fix the inevitable linux critical errors, and there is software that can do most of it for you.

>>1335364 You can't genius.

>>1274958 Even paint? What the fuck man...

>>1269260 Way too many chefs in the kitchen at this point, with nobody trimming back the extra shit and instead focusing on making themselves look better by just adding extra. Microshit needs to remove ALL of their jeet workers, all of them, and instead replace them with japs who can actually optimize and reduce bloat.

Win11 is SHIT and you are a beaten dog if you lap up that Microshit vomit. However I am a working man and thus know sometimes you don't have a choice. Please consider using a 3rd party firewall and blocking all internet in Windows aside from your browser and bibeo games. Best part is that it breaks ads, so you won't get them in your start menu and elsewhere. https://github.com/henrypp/simplewall Imagine telling someone in the 90's you'd have to install an adblocker for fucking Windows.

>>1341233 No thanks, win10 iot works just fine

>>1341953 You still need simplewall there though

>>1319634 >You have not felt pain until you have to crawl through decade old forum posts to try fix the obscure problem that popped up on your machine only for the thread to go "PMd you the fix :)". That's a Windows thing. It goes hand in hand with the "official" support giving you canned responses that are completely useless.

Hey Anon, have you tried Linux lately? It's free an open source!

>>1342813 been on linux for a while now and it's a million times better than windows ever could be. fuck windows, it's like a cancer patient: sluggish and prone to crashing out. I don't know how I ever dealt with it for so long. vidya is still a bit of a pain in the ass though, not everything is plug and play, even with compatibility layers like proton/wine/dvxk, but it shouldn't be a big deal if you're not afraid to get into the cli and start typing shit out. the rest of the OS requires autistic levels of management so this is just a matter of the same process of configuration.

>>1368747 >rest of the OS requires autistic levels of management I'd say stuff like setting up a new service or fiddling with udev rules is a pain (where do I put the configfile, can someone explain the syntax, what priority do I give it (to avoid having it start before its dependencies start)), but then again adding a service or changing a device on windows isn't easy either. I guess those could be solved by GUI wizards, but those tend to be garbage even on windows (see add new firewall rule on windows firewall, which is missing 80% of the options)

>>1272890 Seriously, if all someone does is complain about Windows but refuses to ever move from it; shut the fuck up. That's being a whiny cunt without a purpose.

I'm keeping Windows 10 until Windows 12, and that's if it's good. Windows 11, disregarding the spying and other BS, is just a strict downgrade in so many ways when it comes to productivity.

Ive noticed the amount of pro-microsoft spamming has increased 100-fold after the announcement of Win11. Any simple discussion of Linux systems will without fail be subject to spam about how great Windows is and Linux is for haxxorz. I feel like this wasn't the case even 5 years ago.

>>1530472 I don't think there was much mainstream discussion of Linux 5 years ago, or broad participation in the discussion by people who aren't experts for that matter, because nobody except actual Linux nerds cared about it prior to the Steam Deck being released and putting into peoples mind that "actually, you can play video games on Linux".

>>1341233 >simplewall >can only specify rexecutables, not whole folders or pattern-matched paths of any sort >can only specify IPs and ports, not domain names >no DNS filtering/spoofing of any kind >retarded defaults >readme pics with russian UI Why even bother with that garbage, even shit-tier firewalls for dummies like Portmaster are 100x more capable. >>1530472 >Windows is more unpopular than ever, to the point Microsoft is bargaining to try and appease the normalfags who refuse to switch to 11 >Linux is more popular than ever, thanks in no small part to Valve beating Gnome over the head with the full might of GabeN's weight >Linuxfags still can't drop the persecution complex

>>1531278 Is it a complex when 1. it actually happened? 2. a lot of them deserved it for their behavior?

Give linux a chance if you want. I've been dualbooting for 10 years, and it's just now that I realised I haven't booted up windows for seven years. My only advice is to curb your expectations, people are not being honest about the cons. Still, I think it's overall a better user experience than with Windows. Just being able to google or sometimes just read the official documentation for whatever problem you have helps immensely. Last time I used Windows I got so frustrated with the pajeets farming reddit points with the most basic bitch answers to seriously complex problems.

Windows 7 fans might like this, I saw this the other day: https://reunion7.com/

Microsoft is offering security updates for 1000 microsoft reward points or syncing your settings. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-consumer-extended-security-updates-esu-program-33e17de9-36b3-43bb-874d-6c53d2e4bf42 . Which seems like they're backtracking on shutting down w10 without officially admitting shutting down updates was a mistake.

>>1531934 >they actually used the term "redeem" made me lol

>>1531910 That's a nice shell, shame it doesn't remove the bloat. >>1532133 Sir, please do redeem your good boy points at the counter, thank you yes?

>>1531934 Tricking morons into putting kill switches onto their machine like with Flash.

>>1532165 Apparently it does

>>1221823 >decentralized company's and individual free lancers comprised of troons and the occasional based schizo that makes your old gaymer laptop running a AMD Radeon HD 6970M NOT OBSOLETE with a free OS that just works (usually, unless try and be a special snowflake and use something other than Fedora or Linux mint then good luck) >ultra centralized company comprised of troons state contractors/glowniggers Pajeets and Cali valley dude bros obsessed with IA marketing gimmicks an Phil Spencer, that not only forces you to 'upgrade' every couple of years but is also responsible for gobbling up a bunch of beloved video game companies, milking their IP's to death and then churning out absolute slop Which way huwhite man? I know know where I'm leaning to.

>>1532165 ^ This >>1531910 If you wanna be nostalgic for the last good OS Microsoft made fine, just run that in a VM to play a few old games that haven't been perfected in an emulation (yet).

>>1531934 LMAO

>>1531278 >Linuxfags still can't drop the persecution complex It is exactly because wangblows is being unpopular that the shills are working overtime. Pewdiepie dropped a massive video that gave a huge exposure to linux, couple that with the fact that cuckchan refugees came here, the shills also migrated. God, I hope you wangblows shills burn in hell, you fucking cunts.

>>1223913 >b-b-but (((microsoft))) is based and redpilled!!1 What's your point Ranjeesh

>>1541053 I really wish these people would shit on Israel for any reason other than "muh poor brown people"

>>1223738 >erhm updates good ackshully sorry but I'm just not going to allow microsoft to sneak in a kill switch into my pc

>>1531910 >https://reunion7.com/ Okay, wow, that looks carefully crafted. I wish there was something like this but that replicated the Windows Vista look as accurately on modern Windows, god damn it. https://youtu.be/7MkGXQTTaWM

>>1558629 Same but XP. Closest I get is changing icons, sounds and using RetroBar

>>1269575 >>1269614 The entire story is obviously fabricated anyway since Epstein acted alone, never invited anybody to his sex island, and actually comitted suicide.

>>1221663 I remember when I wanted to try the Monster Hunter Rise demo and had "DX12 not supported" or something similar on linux But now it's working really well, even Monster Hunder Worlds beta run

Hello, I am retarded. Where can someone get Windows 10 IoT LTSC fuck me that's a mouthful?

>>1559320 Hello saar.

>>1559331 BULL BITCH BENCHOD YOU DALIT WHORE MOTHER WHER OPEN BOB FOR WINDOWS SAAR

>>1223751 Severe malfunctions on AMD hardware is the only reason one needs not to use it. It literally wants you to join the incel/goyvidia ecosystem, which have been shitting the bed for a long, LONG time.

>>1223751 Fails to wake up from hibernation They hid basic shit like renaming files in a submenu The usual pointless shuffling settings around to new places Start menu sometimes wont open if there's DNS problems Screenshot tool is artificially slower to use than just printscreen+mspaint Taskbar only allows for a handful of open windows before hiding the rest in a burger menu (still no option of reordering them individually either) Also sneaks in ads here and there despite being a paid product

Alright, you win Linuxfags. Please tell me everything about how to switch to Linux because I am not dealing with this shit.

>>1591990 Go to the download page of Linux Mint, it will be suitable as your distro of choice with (you) coming off from windows: https://linuxmint.com/download.php If your hardware is low spec (such as a intel core 2 duo), get the XFCE edition. If your hardware is strong, get the Cinnamon edition. Haven't tried MATE. Once you've got your iso file, you'll then want to download Rufus so that you can burn it to your USB drive: https://rufus.ie/en/ When its done copying the image to your USB, unplug the drive from your computer and shut it down. Plug the USB drive back in to a USB slot and turn your machine back on. If your machine doesn't automatically detect the USB drive, you may have to load it manually from the Boot Manager menu or enable legacy features from your UEFI/BIOS. Linux Mint will load a session from the USB drive. Click 'Install linux mint' to begin the set-up. Mint will probably detect your machine has windows installed and ask if you want to dual-boot or remove it, just click on 'remove windows' and you'll never see the OS again after installation is finished. When your finish making your user account, Mint will install to your main drive. Once finished, shut down the session and unplug the USB drive when prompted. You don't need the USB drive anymore after this. Turn your machine back on. Congratulations! You now have a linux machine

The year of linux this year for sure

>>1221663 Why not just use Windows 11 IoT LTSC for gaming? Seriously, Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC is way less bloated and stripped of most of the telemetry and spyware nonsense that comes with the standard editions. It’s officially supported, fully compatible with modern games and drivers, and in my experience, it even works on older hardware, no TPM required. I treat my Windows install like a game console: it exists purely for playing games. Everything else, web browsing, productivity, daily use, is handled on Linux. It’s a clean split, and honestly, it’s been working out perfectly so far.

>>1592096 >You don't need the USB drive anymore after this. It may very well come in handy if/when:^) Mint decides to shit itself because of a fucked update/user error/just-linux-things. I don't mean to discourage anon, but being prepared never hurts.

>>1596056 Do all versions of LTSC allow local accounts, or would anons have to download a specific version before a cutoff date?

>>1596056 I use a tripped down Win10 LTSC just like this; I'd recommend anons use that over anything Win11. What the actual fuck is wrong with you to ever suggest Windows 11 to any capacity nigger?!

>>1596937 I've only ever used the one version available to me from the win11 IoT official site, so I can only comment on that. (What other version are you speaking of?) >>1597256 Your post is unclear, learn how to English better. Anyway, windows has been shit for a long time. It's always best to treat it like a crappy Xbox console interface. (untill Linux and proton get better at gaming) I tried to game exclusively on Linux for over 3 years and when it worked it was great, but I still spent Way more time having to fiddle with shit to get things working. And I would rather spend my limited time gaming then trying to fix shit. Anybody with a functional brain knows that general Day to day computing on Linux is great (mostly) but gaming still has too much friction for anybody with a job and limited time to fuck around with compatibility problems.

>>1597621 >My post was unclear WHY ARE YOU USING WINDOWS 11 YOU STUPID FUCKING NIGGER. WHY DO I HAVE TO DO YOUR THINKING FOR YOU?!

>>1597621 >>1597657 actually adding to this, I needed to put some comma's in places but if you can't read what I said - you are the mongoloid here. not me

>>1597621 >What other version are you speaking of? Like… the mainline run of 11 allows you to make a local account for its earliest versions, but not the later ones. I didn't know if this one would be affected by that.

>>1597749 That's the whole reason I even bothered with it, as it's designed for industrial tech that can't afford any downtime it has to able to work offline and be set up offline... So yes you can install it without a Microsoft account.

>>1531278 >try out portmaster >it's pretty neat Maybe it'll make my mandatory monthly boot into Windows for job bullshit bearable

>>1253890 >Microsoft has implemented telemetry for years that saps resources and is exporting an unverified amount of information from your system at all times How can you stop this from happening?

>>1608031 Install Linux.

Install Linux and use LUTRIS for gaming! Make sure to install the newest version from https://github.com/lutris/lutris/releases Gaming on Linux works great. 99.9% of games just work. Don't forget to install the redistributables for your game. You need to install them. Same as on Windows. Make sure they are installed INSIDE the wine prefix (installation folder) your game is installed to.

>>1597869 Nice. If I ever have to reinstall Windows again, I won't bother with 10. I'll just jump to this.

>>1591990 Adding to >>1592096 . For your Steam games, you'll want to go to Settings > Compatibility and enable SteamPlay for unsupported games (if it isn't on by default). For GOG, Epic and pirate games, you'll want to install a launcher (Heroic, Bottles or Lutris) so you'll be able to install and play these games using a compatibility layer (there's little to no reason to use wine these days, just use proton). Use ProtonDB to see how a game is running on proton and which version runs it better.

>>1608433 There are some games that still need Windows XP to function properly, Like the first Dungeon Siege game, and I mean either the original retail version with really fucked up DRM or the original CD crack version, last time I heard the steam version is still broken and you can't properly complete the game or the expansion. Also the original Max Payne and possibly Max Payne 2, work but most mods don't work properly unless you're running them on Windows XP, it was like a sound patch issue.

>>1591990 It's quite simple if you want it to be simple. < Pick a distro This is the hardest part, but it's not really hard. As long as you go with any of the mainstream distros you will be fine. You can change your distro later, so dont' worry too much about it. Avoid meme distros. Anything Ubuntu-based is a good starting point. Your packages will be outdated though, but that's by design. Debian and Ubuntu (which is based on Debian) are considered "stable" distros. Stable in this context does not mean that it does not have bugs, just that the underlying system won't change under your ass all of the sudden. The distro maintainers will backport security fixes, so being outdated is not a security issue, it just means you won't get any new features until a major OS updated. This is very valuable on servers, not so much on a workstation. The main advantage of Ubuntu is that there is a lot of information for beginners out there. Fedora is a good second choice if you want more up to data packages. It is a different distro from Ubuntu/Debian, so things will be a bit different. It's a good second distro though. Arch is also a fine jumping off point if you are willing to invest more time an learn stuff. It's like jumping into the deep end of the pool. There is a lot of information out there on Arch, but if you want a distro that just works pick one of the two above. < Pick your desktop environment There is endless potential for autism, but if you want something that just works pick one of the popular ones. My personal vote goes for KDE Plasma, it's very customizable if you want it, but it's also great out of the box. GNOME is very popular, but I cannot stand most of its UI decisions. Don't worry about the DE, you can always install a different one and switch between them. Unlike a distro you are not locked into your choice. < Install it You will need to download and image and flash it onto a USB drive. I don't know how to do it on Windows, so you'll have to find instructions somewhere else. Insert the USB drive, boot from it and play around with the desktop a bit, try out if everything works. Once you are satisfied you can start the installer. Aside from Arch all of the above distros have GUI installers, so if you can install Windows you will be fine. < Just use it Don't overthink it. Just use your computer for everyday tasks, install some software, try things out. You will probably want to look into FlatPak as a secondary app store for stuff that's not in the distro's package repositories. < Gaming There are launchers like Lutris or Heroic. I don't use them, I use plain Wine and DOSBox, but other people seem to like them.

>>1221663 I'm still using Windows 10 from 2017.

>>1609038 >There are some games that still need Windows XP to function properly, Hell, I run Titanic: Adventure Out of Time in DOSBox for compatibility's sake.

>Windows IoT is made for no downtime. That's complete bullshit. This nigger OS is anything but no downtime. You'll have to reboot it for updates the same way you reboot any other LTSC Windows. And the least restricted version of Windows is Windows Server Datacenter. No, it won't magically make Windows good. You'll still be playing with gpedit and regedit to fiddle around with a self corrupting file system that started out as a fucking memory dump. Enjoy guzzling cum from Microdicks >>1609627 Most games (especially if they are not ancient and simplistic) will simply not run with just wine. They need an upt to date lutris by downloading and installing the .deb. No, flatpak sucks and integrates badly. It would be a pain to migrate the library between a flatpak install and a regular install.

Anybody else trained into never updating Windows, despite security risks, because updates always fuck something up? I really should get on Linux but I'm lazy

>>1610648 What security risks? Don't let your gaming PC contact the Internet. Block all IP addresses except those directly related to any online games you play. I haven't updated Windows in at least 7 years, and only then because I needed a new framework from a later version of Windows 10 that the launch copy couldn't get.

>>1610648 >>1611647 Just use commonsense antivirus and adblockers. I also personally use umatrix to block every possible script. Haven't had any issues yet.

I switched to Mint earlier this year but haven't gone into actual gayming on my Laptop recently. Only downloaded Melty to run with Lutris just to see if I could get it run(I wasn't able to run CCaster tho) and Hunniepop which for some reason runs on SteamOS. Lot of stuff on my Library doesn't werk with Linux. So what's the usual workaround this?

>>1611782 >So what's the usual workaround this? Check on https://www.protondb.com/ for workarounds recommended by users. >Lot of stuff on my Library doesn't werk with Linux I guess I am just lucky that most of the games I wanted to play simply work.

>>1221823 I used it. It's sluggish.

>>1611782 >Lot of stuff on my Library doesn't werk with Linux. So what's the usual workaround this? Realize that you're a dumbass who bought into autistic internet hype retards who always say the same shit, check back in 5-10 years and maybe the results might be better

>>1610648 As I've mentioned. 2017 version. I've killed Cortanna too. And probably some other microshills. Somehow everything works, no crying about compatibility issues or anything.

>>1221881 works perfectly fine just install then run defender remover, titus script to set services to manual/remove AI crap and o&o shutup 10 with recommended settings disable windows search service and replace with everything takes 10 minutes instead of fiddling around with linux for hours to get anything to run

Maybe an 8/v/ or 8/g/ guide to deshit Win 11 IoT LTSC is needed.

>>1613621 Deshittify Win11 IoT LTSC guide: Massgravel Activation Script. WinUntil for disabling garbage like Copilot and automatic updates, re-enabling old right-click context menu, etc. Win11Debloat, self-explanatory. Windows Defender Remover for removing this CPU & IO-hogging garbage. Simplewall, must-have security firewall app where you should block internet access to all processes that really don't need it when requested. Windows Powershell should never be allowed internet access long term due to its use in keylogging, crypto wallet hacking, etc. by malicious Powershell scripts running in the background bundled with various pirated software that are usually undetected by real-time AVs.

>>1613621 >>1613898 Why do you need a "guide" when it's a one step process: uninstall Windows 11

>>1613621 Literally just stay on 10 and use MAS to get extended security updates. >>1613898 >Simplewall I was about to call you a retard for that suggestion, but then I kept reading. >Windows Defender Remover >Windows Powershell should never be allowed internet access long term due to its use in keylogging, crypto wallet hacking, etc. by malicious Powershell scripts running in the background bundled with various pirated software that are usually undetected by real-time AVs. Jesus Christ you're a colossal retard, imagine not only being stupid enough to fall for this kind of jeet-tier malware (which is detected by AVs by the way, you of course disabled the AV to install the crack because "false positive XAXAXAXAXAXA"), but you didn't even feel the need to find a better source of warez afterwards, fucking hell this is nigger-tier helplessness. Anyone following your advice deserves anything that's coming to them.

You all probably know Microsoft has been struggling to make Windows 11 happen, and that Windows' market share is in active decline. Windows market share might as well have been 100% 20 years ago - it was only a few points off. Today, Windows struggles to stay above 70%, Mac has seen a decade of continued growth, and Linux has grown 227% in the last 5 years alone into a serious OS contender. Where do you think this ends? Windows isn't on a good trajectory and hasn't been for a very long time.

>>1613314 I'm fine with Mint. I don't lose my shit with any minor inconvenience and having to learn new stuff. Im done with JeetOS

>>1614333 >Windows struggles to stay above 70% Maybe if you count mainframe servers which are all Linux based, or count phones as well, but PC users, at least those that use Steam(and this includes Steam Deck users) are 95.67% Windows based, and personally I think Steam users are a good representation of the average normalfag user. The only "counter argument" would be to say that there is this silent majority of Steam users that never do the survey reports on Steam, to which I will respond with "show me the proof, shoe me that people who even casually play games, are 70% on Windows". t. Linux user Source for the picture: https://archive.ph/sdEaF

>>1613460 THIS Chris Titus is a saint and has told microsoft to go fuck itself several times over. https://github.com/ChrisTitusTech/winutil Anyone on windows, run this now. You will not regret it.

>>1614413 I'm talking about desktop PCs in general, not Steam. I never mentioned Steam but I guess I understand how your mind drifted to the hardware survey. Go look at StatCounter's data and filter by desktops, they've been tracking this for 16 years.

>>1613460 >>1614479 CachyOS runs fine and barely requires any setup.

>>1614496 >StatCounter You didn't even read their FAQ. They're a web analytics company, they determine OS by user agent: among other things, that means they have no way to distinguish between desktops and laptops. Also, they 2025 non-Windows data is 15% Apple, 9% unknown, and 4% Linux, so how in the fuck did you conclude that Linux is now "a serious OS contender"? >inb4 all the unknowns are actually Linux

>>1614265 >Jesus Christ you're a colossal retard, imagine not only being stupid enough to fall for this kind of jeet-tier malware (which is detected by AVs by the way, you of course disabled the AV to install the crack because "false positive XAXAXAXAXAXA"), but you didn't even feel the need to find a better source of warez afterwards, fucking hell this is nigger-tier helplessness. Malicious Powershell scripts are undetected by all anti-viruses including Windows Defender. Powershell has absolutely no business being allowed any outbound network connections without your supervised permission. Read: https://arxiv.org/html/2401.07995v2 https://hackread.com/fileless-remcos-rat-attack-antivirus-powershell-scripts/ https://www.blackfog.com/knowledge-base/powershell-attack-prevention/ https://gbhackers.com/powershell-loaders-use-in-memory-execution/ https://isc.sans.edu/diary/29930 https://gbhackers.com/powershell-and-visual-basic-to-install-xworm/ https://westoahu.hawaii.edu/cyber/global-weekly-exec-summary/north-korean-hackers-attack-using-powershell/

>>1615079 >posts jeet articles about how some attacks are hard to detect after they've already created and ran their powershell payload >doesn't wonder how the attack could get to that point without getting detected >can't into powershell execution policies to block all scripts not ran by dedicated PSWorker/PSAdmin users Incredible retardation. > Powershell has absolutely no business being allowed any outbound network connections without your supervised permission That's as retarded as saying bash should forbid curl/wget calls, or vim shouldn't be able to save modified text files because that functionality could be used by ransomware. You're on par with Rustfags, trying to make tools idiot-proof with no care for how useless they become in the process.

Considering this has become an off-topic tech thread - what's an actually good browser? I've used a couple, from Pale Moon to Tor, and I think I hate all of them. Two problems with a lot of the Mozilla based browsers is that they don't work with a lot of sites and they experience severe slowdowns before eventually crashing if they're left open too long (on the span of days usually). Chromium based browsers are usually stable and the most compatible, but they're bloated as hell and also >Google.

>>1614625 I don't see why laptops would be an issue and looking at that site, it appears Windows is down no matter what why you cut it. Why be so aggressive and spergy about it?

>>1616901 I personally use LibreWolf, another Mozila based browser, and for the one or two sites that don't work with it, I just use Ungoggled Chromium.

>>1616901 How is anything here off-topic?

>>1616901 I like Brave and Zen

>>1616901 Tor is irreplaceable in its privacy niche but unfit for general usage, Brave is arguably the least bad browser for general usage but you'll have to spend some time turning off the bloat options and suffer the occasional odd bug. >inb4 Ungoogled Chromium A project that doesn't even have the resources to provide official windows builds, it's a bigger joke than Pale Moon. >>1616906 >why would laptops be an issue Because iToddlers are overrepresented there.,

>>1223751 The first time i had to bite the bullet and use Win11 temporally, i was greeted with a screen that told me that my instalation is on hold until i make a Microsoft account. I had to use a powershell workaround to save me from the trouble. Yeah, no, fuck this shit.

>>1223751 Have you not seen pic related yet?

>>1256563 i wouldn't mind turning into a chick, but only if i got to keep my cock

>>1616901 Pale Meme was decent until the guy decided to do opinion grandstanding in his browser by blocking extensions. I still do the 'adblocking' he didn't like (I don't see ads but click them to cost people money because fuck them that's why)

>>1224291 Unironically, not even as a joke, pull the trigger and learn to arch (without archinstall). Just installing arch without a script or gui to do it automatically for you (even if you do use a video guide plus the wiki, and you should) will teach you so much about the linux ecosystem that you will either instantly know how to fix or not even have 90% of the common issues linux newfags run into, and when the other 10% hit you in the face, you will know how to ask for help. Install KDE plasma btw, that's the most windows10-like desktop with in dejewsustomization aside from cinnamon, which is closer to win 7 If you REALLY don't have the time or energy to do it, install mint and be done with it while accepting the fact you only use your OS as a bootloader for google chrome and steam, and maybe pisscord.

>>1340840 Japanese boomers are still running XP or 7 on their office and personal machines. And their zoomers are already moving to linux because of the kewl haxxor aesthetic movement and because mint is piss easy to use for mainstream vidya and 2hu, plus over there piracy is a serious crime you can get persecuted for so they would rather use linux than run any generic windows activation script, or worse, actually buy windows 11. Pretty much their only cucked demographic is millennials and not because they are stuck with windows, but because they are phone drones.

After skimming the thread I do have a legitimate question. >But muh extremely niche use cases that NEED windows, and the few games that are a pain on proton. Unironically why don't just buy a new drive, install linux on it, then load up a VM and plug your windows install directly onto it while doing a GPU passthru? Even if you absolutely need to dual boot for those kernel spyware games, this setup also would make dual boot a breeze and much less of a goddamn pain than dual boot off a single drive.

>>1626534 >Unironically why don't just buy a new drive, install linux on it, then load up a VM and plug your windows install directly onto it while doing a GPU passthru? GPU passthrough is an even bigger waste of time than it's ever been, ironically because there are so few games that need it anymore. But it's also obviously not a real solution for windows niggers because it's about the single most setup specific complicated thing to configure out of all of the esoteric Linux gaming solutions. No one dual boots, it's a joke. And no one is going to switch to Linux because they've been told you can maybe possible configure a really clunky gpu passthrough VM that might possibly work after you run some random github scripts and spend 3 weeks trouble shooting niche issues

>>1626591 100% correct. I've lived through the whole history of VMs and anyone who falls for "GPU passthrough" is just retarded. "Works basically like the real thing!" No, just boot the damn OS natively, folks. Though you're wrong about one thing. I do dual boot. Windows and MacOS.

>>1616901 Firefox but changing your useragent to make sites believe you are using chrome literally fixes 90% of the problems with firefox.

>>1626726 >archfag doesn't know what he's talking about The show-stopper issue with Firefox isn't any individual technical/governance fault out of the 1000s that exist, it's the fact that Mozilla is LITERALLY CONTROLLED OPPOSITION FULLY FINANCED BY GOOGLE, they already fucked over their users every time their owner told them to and they'll never stop.

>>1614413 Steam isn't actually a very good representation because of how it gathers data and some assumptions it makes while gathering said data. For example, if you have multiple computers it will always pick the one which runs Windows as your main one. In my case, the only device I've gotten steam hardware survey on is my shitty ultrabook which can't even run any games beyond some basic puzzle games lol I don't play games on Windows by the way, so my toaster in the hardware survey misrepresents me. It'll probably take like a year of not running Steam on that before it wakes up and counts something else.

>>1269575 Linus comes from a family of communists, he's father is literally a communist politician in Finland. This ia not something anyone forced him to do.

If you live in the EU and didn't jump trough hoops to not create a microsoft account, you get a year more.

>>1797588 I will never update my computer. I will never upgrade my computer. Westdevslop will never be enjoyable. And I have never encountered a dx12 error on a 2018 machine. Seriously though, what's the point of doing anything nowadays? PC gaming is just stagnant and the good games come from 2 man teams.

>>1797762 New games will inevitably artificially block Windows 10. They usually just check what's written in the registry for your Windows build number.. Someone will need to write some wrapper program that lets you launch games providing them with spoofed registry values located in: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion Or, similar to KernelEx for Windows 98SE/ME, write a third-party patch for Windows compatibility mode for running executables for Windows 10 LTSC 2021 (21H2) so that it adds Windows 11 as an option for compatibility mode, providing the same spoofed registry values to the running executable. Realistically the spoofing can be done up to Win11 23H2 (build 22631), because starting in Win11 24H2 (build 26100) is when Microsoft finally started adding actual changes to Windows DLLs, most notably AVX2 stuff. There's nothing that can really prevent an application that runs on Win11 23H2 to also run on Win10 21H2 because they are identical internally aside from UI changes and unremovable bloatware (explorer, copilot, defender, etc.).

>>1798088 Or skip all this arcane shit and install Linux.

>>1798088 But somehow the version of Windows 10 I have does not have as many artificially blocked shit "due to incompatibility" as up-to-date versions I have seen. This is the thing I dont get.

That's my secret cap: I can't run new releases.

>>1798088 >New games will New JP games from non kiked publishers (read: anything not SE, crapcom or segay) run on potatoes and if they aren't using DX12 even run on windows 7 a lot of the time. New westoid games haven't been worth playing since at least 2016 if not earlier with very rare indie exceptions, which also run on toasters.

>Jewvidia says October 2026 will be the very last game ready driver for Windows 10. Fuck.

>>1818383 >mfw fucking ubuntu and other linux systems have indefinite support Your loss. Time to learn how to bottle your "wine".

>>1616918 There's only one feature that makes librewolf different from firefox. And its unique DNS server list that you have to enable manually.

>>1818427 I definitely need to try Linux Mint 22.2 now. Need to free up time on my schedule to play with Linux.

>>1818429 What about all these ? https://librewolf.net/docs/features/

>>1818436 Mint logo looks like symbol of Allah. While Ubuntu logo looks like symbol of trinity.

>>1818438 Least schizophrenic Christian.

>>1818437 You don't know about them unless you check documentation. In personal usage the only thing i noticed is DNS and that it'l scream at you if you switch english off and propose to fool websites that you're english.

>>1818439 Speaking of which most geeky christians use ubuntu, if you think about it, Terry Davis used Ubuntu along side his TempleOS and there's at least TWO big "Christian" Ubuntus (CE and C4C). By the way Linux mint author recently said jews are not welcome to use his OS.

>>1818448 >By the way Linux mint author recently said jews are not welcome to use his OS. Looked this up and what I found is that it was in 2009 and about zionists specifically, which is based.

>>1818461 >won't say jews Not based

>>1818502 Saying just jews could indicate anything, like being a fat white racist, or those so called 'christian zionists' who paradoxically hate jews but love israel at the same time, among other easily-brainwashed retards. Pointing out israel makes it more clear on where the linux mint dude stands.

By the way, why microshills don't put up their Windows 11 for free if they get all data about their every user for free, including their facebook passwords and phone numbers making the fuck also pay for it unless he cracks it and doesn't use social media? That makes Mac OS look good in comparison, when we talk about normalfags.

>>1818536 It's practically free already to be fair. You can right now and gran the ISO from Microsoft website, as long as you're cool with the Activate Windows watermark, it's totally andegally free.

>>1818587 No i am not cool with Cativate Windows mark of the bastet. But you're right, back in the day i think non-activated versions were harsher treated.

>>1818536 >Windows 11 and 10 and 8 for free Administrator. PowerShell. Type this. irm https://get.activated.win | iex Problem solved.

>>1222097 >advanced Should've made her fatass because of the bloat and borderline retarded with the forced AI

>>1614333 They hire more pajeet ceo-s braaaplandia will save microsaaars

>>1819035 All the old OS-tans obeyed the rule of "needs more memory" = "bigger chest." Why don't modern ones have any respect for tradition…

>>1616901 I use Waterfox, with ublock origin and noscript >>1798088 They're gonna enjoy some fat waves of refunds and negative reviews if they do that. Gamers are quick on that response if the game won't even boot.

>>1798088 >New games will inevitably artificially block Windows 10 Crapcom already said that future updates "may" fuck over games that used to work fine on windows 10: >>1805701

>>1818524 Yes it indicates jews are the problem not just Israel

>>1818524 Well, you know fuck all about the topics you're discussing.

Linux Recommendations for anyone who's interested. Linux Mint excellent first distro. forfills the just T'werks moto perfectly. if you're just doing internet stuff and steam games this can be your forever distro. One down side is that because its based on Ubuntu (or Debian directly if you choose that version) it doesn't have all the most up to-date packages. I had a problem once trying to install a game and it had too old a library. but this is a rare case. Ubuntu and its flavors Same as Mint but I don't like gnome that much. you might, idk. also canonical put amazon ad tracking in one older version of Ubuntu. its not in it now but its a bit of a fucking creepy thing to do so I avoid it. Garuda Linux Based on arch but with an easier installer. Up to date packages and you also have access to the AUR so you have access to basically any package you want. Just remember that the AUR is user run, read the scripts before running them as there has been malware in there recently. Its the windows equivalent of downloading .exe’s of random websites. Arch Honestly not a bad choice, maybe not a first distro but the arch install is very good now. Same as Garuda or any of the other “Arch but easy” distros but without all the fluff. Make your system as you want. Fedora solid choice. Sort of a middle ground between the stability of Debian and the bleeding edge of arch. Top tip Don’t fall for the niche distro meme. At the end of the day Linux is Linux. For a first time distro you can’t go wrong with one of the big 3, Arch, Debian or Fedora (or one of its popular off shoots, Ubuntu, Mint, Garuda etc). They are popular for a reason and if something breaks there’s tones of documentation and tutorials online. Total-Nigger-faggotry/Gnu/Linux might seem like it does everything you want but good luck fixing it if breaks or the maintainer gets board and leaves. Honorable mentions MX Linux Will run on a toaster. Great for older laptops. Qubes OS Definitely not a gaming distro, but worth thinking about if you want to have some real privacy. Duel Booting If you HAVE to have windows 10/11 duel booting with linux will work. I’d recommend installing windows first and giving it its own separate drive (rather than partitioning a single drive), then installing linux on a different physical drive. Windows used to have a tenancy to “accidentally” delete the boot partition for linux. I haven’t fucking with duel booting in ages so this might be fixed but I wouldn’t trust windows to just “unfix” it in the future TL;DR – Linux Mint

>>1819437 That's a hilarious assumption, you'd be surprised. Though this is not the place for such discussion so I'm stopping here. >>1819676 Well put, anon. I'd just emphasize on the point of choosing Mint for gaming purposes: one would most probably be better off with a more up to date distro, as gaming is a sector that sees many rapid improvements, a lot of them being crucial to enhancing the experience considerably, so being on Mint meaning having to wait for a long time for those improvements to make their way, or applying them oneself, which kind of defeats the purpose of Mint's simplicity and OOTB promise. I don't want to dilute the distro recommendations, but I really feel like I should mention these two: Bazzite (Fedora, baby mode Linux) and CachyOS (Arch, still streamlined but less so). Bazzite I feel like has become well known at this point, so I probably don't need to introduce it. Fun fact is it seems like it'll be the distro of choice for youtuber GamersNexus' entry to Linux benchmarking. And CachyOS has been making the rounds for a while for having some really cool gaming-optimzed tweaks built-in. In short, if youre a heavy gamer, try to stick to the more updated distros for an easier time, otherwise, Mint is very solid for everyday use. I'm yet to write my own 'Linux Tech Tips' over on the Linux thread, been busy but I will get to it, I promise.

>>1819730 I don't actually use Mint anymore but I always recomend it as a first distro because it served me so well and its sort of looks like windows. so might be easier for windows anons. i haven't tried those two distros but based on what you wrote I agree. also, I think the meme of "Arch (and its children) are unstable" isn't really true anymore. it will mostly work all the time and the problems you might come across are tiny. So if that was putting any anons off, don't worry about it.

>>1221663 >totally fucked I'd honestly love it of some spiteful pajeet at Microsoft pushed out an update for all installs of Windows 10 that just bricked every single computer on Earth that hadn't paid for "extended support.

>>1819676 >Garuda over CachyOS

>>1820464 Why CachyOS over other Arch based distros? I used Manjaro and Endeavour. Garuda seemed bloated for me.

Honestly its time for you all to suck a nigger cock until you all die.

>>1819676 >>1820464 Speaking of Garuda. Let's count (almost, i am not counting mint/ubuntu forks) all linux distros with NVIDIA drivers built in (no 10 series support) 1. Garuda 2. Nobara 3. Pop OS 4. CatOS (its chinese, careful with this one) 5. Regata OS 6. Pika OS And all those are the same, either gnome or kde, and dead in the water for 10 series (1050-1080) and below while 580 driver installed manually still supports those gpus. However you can always waybackmachine for links or manually write different version to download older OS with 560 driver before they ditched older gpus. Now what's funny about the trend there's no AMD version of same shit.

>>1819676 >Don’t fall for the niche distro meme >if you want to have some real privacy Then only use Ubuntu, because niche distros already ruin your privacy for being niche. Why you even brought up garuda, the indian OS that has indian yantras in wallpaper folder, with picture of saturn named "shani"? That system is really really slow, because its KDE in gaming distro is configured like dog shit, causes screen flickering in fullscreen applications, and dangerous for actual gaming (for which systems using gnome are usually recommended, because its the least bloated for high performance).

>>1253834 Yeah, that's actually bullshit, you can test it yourself if you want but Win11 will almost always perform worse in games, even with E-cores being present, and not by a small margin either think around 10% perf increase by staying on win10.

>>1253834 >unlike dx12 that was a w10 exclusive for a long time. I don't know what are you talking about i can dx12 witcher 3 any day on my ubuntu.

New reports of recent Windows 11 update causing performance loss in some games: https://steamcommunity.com/app/3159330/discussions/0/591766950678424507/?ctp=5 https://redlib.privacyredirect.com/r/nvidia/comments/1nu434b/comment/nhaux9t/ https://nuku.trabun.org/search?q=KB5065789&src=typed_query&f=live#m Source: https://www.gamespark.jp/article/2025/10/06/158108.html >>1822345 He probably meant exclusive between Windows versions, not exclusive entirely to Windows.

>>1820489 It doesn't break as often and doesn't have the super awful GAMER aesthetic.

>>1592096 >Congratulations! You now have a linux machine What happens to all the shit on my drive that was managed by Windows before? Games that were installed for Windows? Folders of media files and shit? You didn't mention anything about backing stuff up in case anything goes wrong. And you recommend Mint. This is /v/ and I heard in this very thread that Mint doesn't play well with Nvidia's graphics cards, which I have. You say to use Rufus, but the guide I followed said to use BalenaEtcher. Is there something wrong with Etcher or is it just an alternative?

So I guess I'm supposed to use, uh, Bazzite for games? Never heard of it before this thread. Apparently Mint not only doesn't like Nvidia, but also isn't often up to date enough to just run some games too? >>1609627 >You can change your distro later, so dont' worry too much about it. >Unlike a distro you are not locked into your choice. Lmao. >>1616901 >Two problems with a lot of the Mozilla based browsers is that they don't work with a lot of sites Funny you say that. In recent months, the MEGA downloader site has stopped loading whatsoever un Ungoogled Chromium, and I've started opening firefox instead whenever I need to use it.

So now I'm between CachyOS and Bazzite according to this site https://theserverhost.com/blog/post/cachyos-vs-bazzite. Cachy may require more tweaking and break more often, but Bazzite is immutable, which makes installing anything else on it a headache? The site also claims they may not support old 32bit stuff in the future.

>>1833408 Just dual boot mint so you can test it, if you have enough space on your hard drive.

>>1223913 >I'm a card-carrying atheist They are ALL atheists. And they probably all hate me.

>>1833486 >Bazzite is immutable, which makes installing anything else on it a headache Correct. Works fine but it really is best for dedicated handheld gaming devices. Cachy and Mint are both fine choices. If dual booting install your Linux on a drive without Windows.

>>1833829 I only have 1 internal drive and was originally going to dual boot on the same drive. I have a 4TB external SSD for backups, and two 2TB external SSDs for excess files that take up too much space like shows and games I've collected. All of them are WD Elements. It feels iffy using an operating system connected through a USB 3.0 connection on the front of my tower I have limited space to work with and can't just turn the thing around. Would it be unwise to put Cachy on the blank one of the 2TB externals SSDs and dual boot to it while I figure out how to transfer things over? I built this PC less than a year ago and it was my first time being able to afford to built one that felt worth the effort. My board says it has four slots for storage, but apparently only one comes with a heatsink. Since it seems standard that the primary storage with your OS on it is on the first slot with the heat sink would I have to get another heatsink in addition to another NVMe SSD? Is using the external SSD out of the question because it would just melt as soon as I try to run anything more than barebones on it? I had to disable USB power saving just get my backup to not crap out half way through, which was a real headache because it didn't explain why it canceled the backup and I thought for weeks that my new 4TB SSD was bad.

>>1834389 >It feels iffy using an operating system connected through a USB 3.0 connection on the front of my tower I remember using a 2.0 usb drive when I tried Linux Mint like 4 years ago. No joke it actually felt like it was faster than my windows 10 install in the internal SSD. You'll most likely be fine honestly, running it off USB3.0 as a temporary solution, then getting rid off winblows down the line. >>1833486 >but Bazzite is immutable, which makes installing anything else on it a headache? Not literally anything. Most apps can just be installed through the app store just fine. It only gets a bit complicated when you want to use some super special software, like let's say you want to run a Jellyfin server or something that niche.

>>1834389 >Is using the external SSD out of the question because it would just melt as soon as I try to run anything more than barebones on it? After reading around a bit, I've seen lot of people say it's feasible to have an OS on an external SSD run through a USB 3.0 connection, and the same is true for running games installed on such an SSD, but I can't find examples of people doing both at once.

>>1834403 >It only gets a bit complicated when you want to use some super special software I use Hydrus >>>/t/24277 for file management of files that are not regularly modified, nor accessed by other programs besides specialized media viewers not already supported by Hydrus. It's like having an extremely robust booru on my computer, and is much more useful for such files than traditional folder storage. Everything is still in folders of course, you just don't see them unless you want to. It's also been way faster than Wangblows explorer which takes eons just to generate thumbnails every time I open a folder I haven't opened recently. Sometimes I use other niche programs too. None regularly, but I'd rather it not be a headache to re-install any of them beyond just the difference between installing for Windows vs. Linux.

I know Proton/Lutris/Wine/et cetera exist for compatibility with windows games, but what about weird niche shit? I have maybe a hundred or so good to shitty h-games I pirated when I had a craptop that couldn't run jack. I have my doubts this so called compatibility layer would work for all of these since it's designed in mind with better support for the shit you'd find on Steam. Sure, half of it is RPGmaker trash that might work with something like Proton out of the box, but half of it isn't, and a ton of it, both RPGmaker and not, has required me to change my system locale to Japanese just to run in Wangblows. Not sure how many extra steps that might add in a Linux system. Furthermore, it seems like the top recommended anti-virus for any linux system is >Lmao, just don't use one and don't download virus GG EZ ; ) Some of these eroge games I found were 3D after getting them and put them on a backlog for when I got a better computer. One of these game I grabbed 10 to 15 years ago I tried to run a few months ago turned out to have a virus that Wangblows Defender caught in addition to the actual game. Would running something like that in Proton be as secure as running it in a Virtual Machine?

>>1834467 I use a program called bottles and most of it works

>>1834590 >Anon asks about several specific case scenarios and the general applicability of emulating for niche scenarios <works on my machine bro :^) Truly, Linux is the future of gaming.

>>1834645 I play shitty japanese h-games made in various versions of RPG Maker and other shit like he's saying using Bottles which lets you easily set up whatever dependencies if you need them (you usually don't) now blow me.

>>1834645 I assume, and was proven correct ( >>1834653 ) before I could finish typing this post, that "most of it" referred to most shitty eroge, as that would be the most relevant response.

>>1834467 >but what about weird niche shit? It just works.webm. More seriously, wine (while not actually an emulator) works like a low-level emulator instead of a high level one, which means that things don't have target specific hacks, which means that things people "don't care about" also directly benefit from improvements. You can still do all the same locale tricks except even easier because they don't have to be system-wide anymore. If something actually doesn't work just report it, you don't even have to mention what causes it, since the only use they'd have for the target executable is as a test and that can be remedied either by asking you to test changes or by using another executable. >Would running something like that in Proton be as secure as running it in a Virtual Machine? No but you could set it up to be somewhat in between those by forbidding it from seeing the actual drive etc. You can use ClamAV to scan for windows viruses before running things in wine. Email servers are usually linux so the tooling is there. It's not set up for linux specific malware but that is still very rare and is a supply chain attack on some random maintainer 99% of the time so that's not something relevant to games yet. The only pain point about ClamAV is that it has a max file size limit due to being designed for emails.

>CachyOS is Arch based <Mullvad:Arch Linux and Arch-based distributions (Manjaro etc) <We do not support Arch Linux or Arch-based distributions, however you can try to install the unofficial AUR package. Fuck.

>>1834467 >the top recommended anti-virus for any linux system is The top recommended anti virus is that nobody is going to bother and make malware for 2% of the market and forget about the billions of windows computers around the world. >>1834665 >Mullvad You can just add the VPN through the system settings. Wireguard configs are supported (at least on KDE they are). Also, this is precisely where you'd use the AUR so don't feel disincentivised to not use it.

Finally got CachyOS somewhat manageable. I put it on a flashdrive and am from here going to do a full install on my spare SSD. It was a pain though. Starting it was fairly simple, but once it booted, I thought it was hanging on startup because it just loaded a wallpaper and nothing else for over five minutes and moving my mouse around did nothing. I gave up on waiting and impatiently shook the shit out of the mouse until it showed up. Then I lost it again and it was very difficult to find. Eventually once I got it on screen I was very careful with it until moving somewhere near the top brought up some menu that allowed me to pin some grey bar to the top which I thought was some blank unconfigured taskbar or something. I immediately moved it to the left, but then couldn't figure out anything useful to do with it. What I then figured out next was that I couldn't find my mouse because it kept vanishing onto my third screen, my television which has an HDMI connection. I don't know what needs tinkering for it to work, but my television will not display anything right now. I was able right click->display configuration and rearrange my monitor locations so they matched physically and I could intuitively bring my mouse back on screen if accidentally moved to the unusable screen. I can't quite recall how I opened the file manager, but from there I was able to open the Dolphin file manager handbook link which automatically opened Firefox to tell me I had no internet. I then discovered by moving the mouse to the top left I could pull up a local search bar, open network settings, get internet, and download tor browser which I'm posting with now. Thankfully, using Tor didn't also require figuring out AUR yet. Lastly, a thought occurred to due to similar issues in Windows, and I went back to the display settings and made sure one of my usable screens was the primary screen, and voila, the fucking taskbar appeared and had been hidden away because for some fucking reason it set the failing HDMI output to the primary screen by default. In windows, each screen would have it's own taskbar, so this didn't occur to me initially. I've since removed the grey panel from the side of the screen that I pointlessly created. >>1834777 I barely even know what the AUR is yet. Some sort of application installer manager? But you

>>1834926 >But you But you have to get something else to optimize and install the packages you get from the AUR? Sounds tinkery, like everything else.

I really don't understand what's being asked of me here, besides maybe changing the file system to FAT32, or possibly exFAT. Do I allocate the full default size? Or just something like 30-100GBs for just the OS? Is a mount point necessary? Do I flag boot and root, or anything at all? It feels like this step is being heavily glossed over. The guide also says there's an automatic partitioning option besides the manual one I'm doing, but there's only the option for manual when I select any drive, and I can't continue to the next step without selecting it.

>>1835030 After some tinkering, no settings would ungrey the next button except for changing the allocated space. I set it to about 30GB and it would allow me to continue. I tried to change it to about 100GB, and Calamares crashed.

>>1835030 >>1835043 Oh hey, I totally fucking missed this, so maybe I was doing everything completely wrong from the start.

>>1835085 Nevermind. The UI looks slightly different, but appears to be the exact same process, only I don't have to go find Calamares. Watched a video of someone doing the partition part for an install of Arco, so maybe pic related is the correct way to do it. The only flag used is boot for the OS partition. I fucking love videogames.

>Installation failed Command <i>mkinitcpio</i> finished with exit code 2. Output: ==> Building image from preset: /etc/mkinitcpio.d/linux-cachyos-lts.preset: 'default' ==> Using default configuration file: '/etc/mkinitcpio.conf' -> -k /boot/vmlinuz-linux-cachyos-lts -g /boot/initramfs-linux-cachyos-lts.img ==> Using drop-in configuration file: '10-chwd.conf' ==> Starting build: '6.12.50-2-cachyos-lts' -> Running build hook: [base] -> Running build hook: [udev] -> Running build hook: [autodetect] -> Running build hook: [microcode] -> Running build hook: [kms] -> Running build hook: [modconf] -> Running build hook: [block] -> Running build hook: [keyboard] -> Running build hook: [keymap] -> Running build hook: [consolefont] ==> WARNING: consolefont: no font found in configuration -> Running build hook: [plymouth] -> Running build hook: [filesystems] -> Running build hook: [fsck] ==> WARNING: No fsck helpers found. fsck will not be run on boot. ==> Generating module dependencies ==> Creating zstd-compressed initcpio image: '/boot/initramfs-linux-cachyos-lts.img' ==> WARNING: errors were encountered during the build. The image may not be complete. ==> Building image from preset: /etc/mkinitcpio.d/linux-cachyos.preset: 'default' ==> Using default configuration file: '/etc/mkinitcpio.conf' -> -k /boot/vmlinuz-linux-cachyos -g /boot/initramfs-linux-cachyos.img ==> Using drop-in configuration file: '10-chwd.conf' ==> Starting build: '6.17.1-2-cachyos' -> Running build hook: [base] -> Running build hook: [udev] -> Running build hook: [autodetect] -> Running build hook: [microcode] -> Running build hook: [kms] -> Running build hook: [modconf] -> Running build hook: [block] -> Running build hook: [keyboard] -> Running build hook: [keymap] -> Running build hook: [consolefont] ==> WARNING: consolefont: no font found in configuration -> Running build hook: [plymouth] -> Running build hook: [filesystems] -> Running build hook: [fsck] ==> WARNING: No fsck helpers found. fsck will not be run on boot. ==> Generating module dependencies ==> Creating zstd-compressed initcpio image: '/boot/initramfs-linux-cachyos.img'

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==> WARNING: errors were encountered during the build. The image may not be complete. After this, I tried running it again, and this time, the erase/automatic partition option existed. Using this cause it to fail immediately >Create a new partition table (type: gpt) on ‘/dev/sda’ >Job: Create new partition table on device ‘/dev/sda’ >Command: sfdisk --wipe=always /dev/sda Can't find any useful info about fsck, but I did find some info about how to get rid of the consolefont hook. Not sure if it's a good idea to do so, and I also have no clue where in commandline I'm supposed to enter it. I tried nagivating to the fold with the conf file listed above and entering it there and it just threw an error.

>>1835305 It cannot even begin to attempt an installation again because it fails to erase the existing NTFS partition and will not let me continue beyond the manual partition step without replacing it. I can erase the boot partition just fine. I tried opening the SSD in a partition manager, and the partition manager has the same issue. It cannot erase the NTFS partition so the process can start over. I'm getting the feel the CaschyOS Installer failing has fucked the SSD. I get "The requested operation has failed: Error mounting /dev/sda2 at /run/media/liveuser/FreeSpace: fsconfig() failed: /dev/sda2: Can't open blockdev" when trying to access it in the file manager. I tried using the shred option, thinking a more thorough attempt at deletion might get through whatever was blocking a regular deletion. This was a mistake. Afer several minutes of 0% progress and nothing showing up in the "details" window, I figured whatever was preventing regular deletion was mucking up this too, so I canceled the operation. Except cancelling still wants to wait for the operation to finish. It's been over 10 minutes and nothing has happened. I looked up a similar issue and someone said for large drives, they've had to wait on the cancel function for over an hour and this was normal. So now I can wait several hours just in case it isn't broken while canceling, or I can figure out how to forcibly end the program and possibly fuck things up even harder. Microsoft's salty balls are looking real fucking tasty right now.

>>1835396 Oh shit, after 12 minutes, the operation suddenly hit 2%. I guess I just need to give it 10 hours to work itself out.

>>1819676 If you're going to be autistic about your distro and not use Mint/Ubuntu/Pop then just use Devuan or a fork so at least you won't have systemdicks. Archfags are literally retarded.

>>1835396 >>1835405 I've looked it up. It is a bad idea to forcefully stop a shred, but it might wipe the partition table so the drive can be re-partitioned. It could also just fail after 10 hours. But either way, I now have to wait roughly 9 or so more hours do or test anything else. Linux is fucking fantastic. And this is one of the distros that claims it's easy to use and install. I could work enough hours to afford to buy a Windows license several times over before I finish getting a "free" open source OS set up. And then I get to pile on troubleshooting games after that.

>>1835425 >If you're going to be autistic about your distro and not use Mint/Ubuntu/Pop >Pop That's autistic. Any distro with inbuilt nvidia is autistic. Because nobody knows about those distros unless they search for "inbuilt nvidia drivers". The real "trio of linux" is MX/Mint/Ubuntu The real "curious trio of linux" is "Arch/Gentoo/Fedora(or Debian, but there's too much forks of Debian)" Also this "CatchyOS" seems very, very new.

P.S. so many Ubuntu linuxes just got a 25.10 update, distrowatch page is spammed with them.

>>1835592 Anon, I'd like to help if you can tell me what were you doing that went wrong. I read all your messages but I'm retarded so I got confused.

>>1835771 FYI, you shouldn't be using FAT32, NTFS or any Microsoft filesystem formats if you can afford not to. Do btrfs or ext for Linux.

3 hours down and only at 33%. It might take only 9.5 hours at this rate. I may take a nap. >>1835771 I posted all the info I had about the part that went wrong. >>1835305 It might look a bit messy because I didn't wrap it in [code] tags since I never use them. >>1835777 Alright, I'll try that next time tripsman, but I don't think those things had to do with the warnings I got. Though those warnings might have been unrelated to why it actually failed. I chose FAT32 for the boot partition because the installation guide for Calamares, which follows the exact same process as the built-in installer, said, >When using an UEFI install, it is a must to have a vfat (fat32) formatted /boot partition available Maybe this isn't an UEFI install? I thought the boot/efi meant it was UEFI, and even if I was wrong, I think it didn't matter that much, so better to pick something that would be compatible with it in case it was UEFI. I chose NTFS for the other storage partition because the video I saw of someone installing something similar that actually shows the partition part that the installation guide glosses over had him as well picking FAT32 for the boot and something else I don't recall for the storage, so I assumed they didn't need to match. I was most familiar with exFAT, FAT23, and NTFS, believing that NTFS was the best of the three. >Do btrfs or ext for Linux. I've heard that's good for prevent or mitigating bitrot, so I'll just do btrfs for both. It was actually the default setting, with the additional option to encrypt the partition, but I don't think I'm going to do that as well.

>>1835831 Did you somehow miss the CachyOS installer wizard thingy because of your problem with the displays when you first booted into it, then tried partitioning your drive after ? Just trying to figure out what went wrong here because it sounds like shit went catastrophic for you right from the get go which doesn't sound right.