People don't care about privacy until there's a scandal. They use Windows because that is what is given to them. They use Word and docx because that is what is used by their boss, who uses it because of its boss, who... and so on.

>>22308 (OP) I am paid a lot of money (over $200k a year) to develop software for Windows. That is why I use Windows.

>>22308 (OP) the upside of all this cloud cancer is that I can use Linux at work. I could even install Wubuntu or whatever the fuck on various work computers and I doubt the staff would even notice. LibreOffice and such are basically just as good as Corel, which was the peak office suite of the late 90s and early 00s that everyone is nostalgic for and does not have the gay bullshit formatting Office365, so if anything it'd be an improvement. Particularly since nobody in my field except maybe the autists on night shift is enough of a "power user" to memorize keybindings.

>>22308 (OP) It's unavoidable. The post 1st world society is a class of egotistic autists doing science in space on an asteroid, completely inhospitable to humans or their reproduction. If a normal life is what you want move to a 2nd world country, if your kids are genetic bright sparks they should immigrate to M$land.

Gaming unfortunately sucks on linux if you have an nvidia 40xx card like I do, and while I do dual boot on my legion go for emulation purposes, the amd drivers for linux unfortunately are inferior in terms of framegen. Here's the reality. On windows 11 my legion go can get 81 fps in monster hunter wilds with both framegen and fluid motion frames 2.1. On linux, I have to play at a locked 30 even with framegen, due to the lack of fluid motion frames to keep me above the locked 60 threshold. So linux flat out limits my game accessibility on every platform besides emulation. Switch emulation for example is just VASTLY superior on linux right now.

Also I'm not a pedo so I couldn't give a fuck about privacy, the paniopticon should become mutually transparent though. If some ceo has the power to look at what I'm doing at every moment, I should have the power to see what he's doing as well.

>>22308 (OP) Retards exist everywhere anon, just remember that you're better than them and you'll feel better

>>22308 (OP) 99% of people don't choose to use Windows, they buy a computer and Windows is on it. They don't know how to switch off it and most likely don't even know they CAN have something other than Windows. People will always take the path of least resistance, so unless Microsoft fucks up really bad and I mean really bad like you can't use your computer for a week and all your data is wiped or something, most people won't bother. It's also why Windows is basically free because they know if they start actually asking for money some will just flock to the free options.

>>22308 (OP) I think it's a brown skin related issue

>>22389 i left windows bc the lgbt+pedo flag

Unlike what people claim, even today, Linux doesn't just work, and the OS coming with the PC is the only one you get warranty on. My experience whit Linux >Tired of windows's shit >Let's try linux >Try on my old laptop before fucking with my main PC >Have to pick distro >Some guy named Bryan recommended OpenMandriva >Put installer on an USB and install, just works >Dual boot on the same drive (probably my first mistake, but the laptop doesn't fit 2 and I don't want to nuke my windows yet) >Seems to work, but GPU doesn't show up in the task manager >Because I have use a smaller distro, barely any results when looking things up <Distro hopping time >I have dual boot anyway, let's just install a third one >Open windows because I'm familiar with it's partition manager (Absolute mistake) >Windows nukes dual boot, my laptop now only boots windows >I try multiple distros, try boot repair to get the dual boot back >Shit gets worse, Ventoy stops working, live USB stops working >I follow some youtube guide on how to boot from a partition >Nobara and Mint both fail, one has a kernel panic on boot, the other one loads the command prompt but not the GUI (I forgot which one did wich, but it was consistent) >Try CachyOS, nr 2 on distro watch >Finally I can install I'm not comfortable doing that to my main PC.

after using linux i found most of my computer knowledge was useless, and related to fighting windows or other proprietary apps. i would tweaking the registry or pressing a combo of buttons or something just to install it, so linux wasn't that hard to get used to, since when you need to do hackerman shit in linux it teaches you something, it's not a useless fight that windows will change to restrict you before too long. >>22473 Look up how to install linux to usb using virtualbox. It will be a full install to the usb, then boot from usb when wanting linux. Preferably use ssd on a usb dongle.

>>22474 I forgot to mention, but my laptop doesn't show the usb sticks in the boot menu half of the time. I tried multiple sticks.

>>22475 Possible workaround is setting usb as first boot device in bios. Duel booting was never comfortable for me and I blame all the issues on bill fagates.

>>22476 I've been in the bios, if USB isn't in the boot menu, the BIOS doesn't show it either. Anyway, now that I have a working Linux installation, I'm avoiding messing around with installers for a while. There were moments when I was messing around with trying to get a live environment to boot that my laptop started beeping loudly. I was afraid I bricked the thing. I think for Linux desktop to be mainstream it has to come pre-installed. Fucking around with my old laptop is one thing. Risking my main PC is another. Installing Linux for a tech illiterate family member who's laptop can't update to windows 11? I'm not risking someone else's stuff. Valve should start offering Steam OS PCs and laptops.

>Why the fuck are people still using Windows? Genshin Impact doesn't run on any other desktop OS, and is ass on mobile.

>>22477 Cachy is awesome, sort of like the mint for arch, but realize when people say beginner distros it's just that, the person modified debian/ubuntu or whatever to their liking, and shared it with you. They aren't beginner bc of a handicap, they are beginner bc the devs are sharing their sick mods that is so good it's possible to use by a beginner. Sort of like a minecraft mod that helps you build stuff without fucking about. Fuck placing shit in squares, and they said that too, so now you don't have to. You can now concentrate on building amazing things instead of what squares to put shit in.

An just like modding minecraft you might wanna leave things in or out after you've used them. Another person might think the same, so they made a distro. Or you say fuck that, and go full on retard doing your own mods. Also meant to say debian/arch/fedora/cent?/bsd/temple whatever. But you don't have to start at ground zero, all I'm saying, bc then you'd have to go full primitive technology, no metal unless forged myself can be trusted!

>>22479 It runs on Linux, though.

>>22389 >Also I'm not a pedo so I couldn't give a fuck about privacy You're an absolute fucking retard. There are more reasons to care about privacy than just if you're doing illegal things.

>>22388 >Switch emulation for example is just VASTLY superior on linux right now. How so?

>>22308 (OP) You answered your own question here: >but there are still countless millions of normie midwits using it, and still enough "learned" users for Windows generals to exist on /g/. Normies just use what is provided rather than learn to use something else. If any company offers a PC with Linux preinstalled its aimed at companies and its tucked into a small dropdown menu where some techie will only choose whatever the boss tells him to. Linux is making slow and steady progress but Big Tech will continue its obnoxious jewery for as long as possible. Do what you can to inform people without driving them away with autistic preaching.

>>22562 WHERE THE FUCK IS ALMAOS ON YOUR STUPID IMAGE, I SEE ALL THIS STUPID SHIT BUT WHERES ALMA YOU STUPID NIGGER YOU THINK MORE PEOPLE USE FUCKING ROCKSTOR THAN ALMAOS FUCK YOU OP FUCK YOU FUCK YOU Good post otherwise

>>22308 (OP) >wall of doomposting Meanwhile, in the real world Win11 adoption is horrendous even as Win10 EOL approaches, and Google is getting assfucked by Antitrust to the point they're being forced to sell Chrome: given those circumstances, Microsoft won't try anything too funny. Ah, and linux land is still a self-sabotaging mess, to the point corpo strongarming on Valve's part somehow made things better instead of worse.

>>22685 >Linux land The only way you could sound more like a shill is by saying tinkertroon

>>22581 I've never heard of AlmaOS but the mascot is nice

>>22690 >tinkertroon You mean picrel?

>>22703 Kek

>>22581 I didn't make the image. Control your autism.

>>22690 >you said Win11 is so horrendous even a large % of normalfags refuse to use it >but you also criticized loonix therefore you must be a shill for... for... IT DOESN'T MATTER OK ANY CRITICISM OF MY MEME OS IS A PAID FOR PSYOPS And this is why nothing gets done in linux land. Well, this and Ebussi.

>>22728 Linux is just better, when faced with this fact the shillfaggot attack attack attacks, it's clear you're a shill (faggot), because linux does just work and has for a few years now, it can do everything windows and mac can do without sacrificing your soul to gayniggers in eglin

>>22735 >without sacrificing your soul to gayniggers in eglin >what is SystemD >what is IME (and now also AME/Pluton) Lol newfag

>>22308 (OP) I hope they continue to use it. Worst thing that could happen to linux would be mass adoption by normies. They would take all their normie problems along with them. Also, microsoft subversion would increase even more. Fuck normies. Stay on windows.

>>22308 (OP) >Why the fuck are people still using Windows? Are they even human? For real, windows user are the most conformist sheeple around and I suspect the NPC meme is real.

Every time I try switching to Linux I sperg out about most tiny things like middle mouse click to scroll inside browser not working by default, mouse acceleration that you can't turn off completely (and in general mouse just feels different), ui element having different size like clock being too fucking big Yes I can adjust all of that to my liking (especially today with chatbots answering 99% of your questions) but I crawl back to windows before I get used to new feel on Linux

>>22814 all those things are entirely dependent on flavor of particular distros based on how the maintainer felt the default experience should feel xfce4 is honestly one of the best default experiences you can get, but the most important thing is that it lumps all the settings into one place, so it's not a struggle to figure out how to change one thing or another, you just open the settings manager and everything is laid into logical categories like input devices, display, credentials, look and feel, etc

>>22836 I'm actually close to trying out Linux again like I usually do once per year I'll definitely should try different DEs because all my experience is basically GNOME and KDE

>>22880 >GNOME You poor sod.

I've switched over to Linux after a long period of hesitation and I wish that I had jumped ship sooner. I feel retarded and I constantly worry that I might be destroying something on my system but I haven't felt this much enjoyment or control from learning about/using an operating system in a long time.

>>22899 I had the same experience when i switched 20ish years ago but i cannot feel the same today honestly. Sure, comparatively speaking, linux is way more "clear" than windows, doesn't shit errors with hex codes to say the least, but years ago linux was more kiss and unix than today, enough that you could probably solve any problems by reading the error output/log and going through the right "man". Now there are enough layers with schizophrenic approaches (eg: the config file for this subsystem is in /some/convoluted/shit path instead of /etc and the conf file is in xml without comments, when there's one to begin with) that make any straight examination moot, you need to google that shit or you're fucked (and you're fucked most of the time because modern devs don't give a shit anymore and traditional online communities are dying). I'm literally considering switching for a BSD the more the time passes, i will probably end with a freebsd main drive and a linux secondary one, much like in the past i had a linux main drive and a windows one.

>>22308 (OP) >Why the fuck are people still using Windows? Because it just works >stores 50 fucking gigabytes of unfiltered screenshots, taken seconds apart That's only a problem is you're using Windows 10 on up. Not a problem for us W7 and below users. >>22388 >Gaming unfortunately sucks on linux >>22473 >Linux doesn't just work >>22685 >linux land is still a self-sabotaging mess These too >>22735 >because linux does just work and has for a few years now, it can do everything windows and mac can do without sacrificing your soul to gayniggers in eglin Except make a functioning OS used by real people who have lives. The biggest problem with the Linux crowd (And FOSS altogether) is that they're much too focused on making an operating system and software that replicates Microsoft and Apple applications instead of being it's own thing. And the result is that all Linux is incapable of being anything but a janky mess as it tries to "look" and "operate" like Mac/Windows while still "satisfying" the autists who find entertainment in spending their afternoon bug-fixing. There's a reason why people remember Amiga very fondly (Too the point that AROS is still receiving active development), meanwhile almost no one who has a life gives a single shit about Linux (And those that do realize that all the memes were right).

>>22457 >I mean really bad like you can't use your computer for a week Remember Clownstrike? They're still in business. Businesses decide to still pay them for literally delivering nothing and actually working against them by increasing attack surface AND taking your own business down. With business clowns in charge who don't understand what their companies are actually doing and buy stuff on "vibes" and then force their companies to accept their vibes, shitty software will not die. Be it Clownstrike, Windoze or anything else you can think of. Having basically 99% market penetration due to being pre-installed for most normies just adds salt to the wound. Imagine if ChatGPT suddenly started suggesting installing Gentoo to get rid of how shit Windoze became and an exec fell for it.

>>23088 Years of "install Gentoo" memes finally paying off

>>23060 >>Why the fuck are people still using Windows? >Because it just works >us W7 and below users You just admitted that the current version of windows that comes pre-installed on new PCs is something you yourself are unwilling to use. If your current machine breaks, are you buying a windows 11 machine to install w 7 on it? How is that better than installing an up do date Linux?

>>23139 >If your current machine breaks, are you buying a windows 11 machine to install w 7 on it? No because the newer systems are not compatible with W7. I'd probably just rebuild my current system. >How is that better than installing an up do date Linux? Because then I'm not participating in the suicidal race of "endless progress". Windows 7 does everything that I need a computer for. Why do I need to upgrade? <What about new games? Any game that doesn't support W7 isn't a game worth playing. <What about security? Technology, for more than the past decade, has been updated to the point of being so secure that the only reason you would face a "problem" is (1) you lack common sense (Don't use public Wifi without protection, don't download suspicious shit), (2) someone who shouldn't have physically had access to your computer (Like that one hack that even Unix cannot fix and has no protection against), and/or (3) someone purposely built an exploit/backdoor into the software (In which case you're fucked before even getting started). And those three problems cannot be "solved" no matter how "up to date" your system and software are. Not to mention asking the question of which group of people are "1337 H@CK3RZ" going to spend majority of their time going after: the 69% of people who use BotNet10/11, the 29% of people who use Unix (MacOS, Linux, etc.), or the 2% of people using W7 and below?

>>23150 Your software runs in proton now. Get linux mint and be done with bill gates OS

>>23194 >Your software runs in proton now You clearly missed this part from earlier: >>23060 <The biggest problem with the Linux crowd (And FOSS altogether) is that they're much too focused on making an operating system and software that replicates Microsoft and Apple applications instead of being it's own thing. What does have Linux, or any other Unix operating system for that matter, have to claim as it's own? I don't care if Linux has an emulator that allows me to play Windows games and use Windows apps. If I wanted to play Windows games and use Windows apps, I am using Windows. In fact, I'm required to use Windows on top of Windows because I have 3.1 and 95/98 games and applications that I have to run through DosBox or 86box (Both of which I haven't touched in a while because I've been busy). And you're telling me that the "Greatest" thing about Linux is that I'll be doing that for my entire PC game and software library instead of a small fraction of it. No. I am not going to install Linux. I am NEVER going to install Linux. There is not a single thing about Linux that is appealing or advantageous in any way whatsoever. And the moment you idiots get it through your thick skulls and finally realize that is the moment Linux is actually going to become a usable and functioning operation system that people will want to use instead of being a meme being kept alive by Valve of all things. There is a reason why your lord and savior, Richard "Dalai Lama" Stallman, said that he's never actually installed your fucking OS. If that's not a testament to never using the damn thing, I don't know what is.

>>23060 >>23150 >>23195 It's amazing how utterly ignorant you are. You can be retarded if you want to, no one who doesn't already have your Windows 7 autism is going to join you.

>>22308 (OP) Make a Linux distro that works out of the box for browsing the modern JS filled cancerous web, that allows you to vonsoom media quickly and seamlessly without hurting user convenience. Something that won't require hours of troubleshooting for normalfag tasks that Windows can perform without trouble. You won't be able to, because it doesn't exist. I hate microshit but the truth is that there is currently no desktop OS that is ready out of the box for the average consumer other than wangblows or apple. There are no good open source and Linux friendly alternatives to software like word, photoshop or excel or serious video editing software. Thnkfully you can pirate those easily but you get my point. Don't blame users for choosing the path of least resistance. If you want to kill windows you need to make technology that helps the user achieve what he wants instead of making tech for the sake of tinkering.

>>23199 You're completely wrong. Fedora (with KDE Plasma) accomplishes this. I've installed it to multiple family members' computers and they can't even tell a difference. >Something that won't require hours of troubleshooting for normalfag tasks that Windows can perform without trouble. I've been using Fedora for years. I've never had to do this for Internet browsing, watching videos, listening to music, or any other normalfag task. >There are no good open source and Linux friendly alternatives to software like word >excel LibreOffice. >photoshop >or serious video editing software The average normalfag doesn't use these.

>>22308 (OP) >why because it comes preinstalled on computers available at stores. same with MacOS. If cheap laptops with Obongo become available at stores, people will buy them (that's what happened with netbooks running ChromeOS). Clouds and web-based services have basically rendered Windows useless unless you do something that requires a dedicated GPU >>22457 this

>>23195 You're fucking stupid. 99% of software is made for Windows, of fucking course Linux needs a way to run some of it if it wants to be appealing. If it was "its own thing" with nothing compatible it'd be about as popular as Temple OS. And the point of Linux is that it's free (as in freedom) so if Windows decides to be retarded (they already are, you yourself admit as much since you won't use anything after Windows 7), then people have an alternative. Linux also obviously has its own software, even if it's not as diverse as on Windows and isn't "jank" if you just install a noob distro and click on the convenient UI to install things. You can stay on Windows 7 until your hardware breaks down if you don't need anything more, nobody cares, but most people are gonna need something that's actually up to date to newer hardware and software.

>>23203 >of fucking course Linux needs a way to run some of it if it wants to be appealing. No, it doesn't. Linux is a different OS from Windows, so of course it's going to have a different experience and different applications than Windows. Why don't you focus on that instead of effectively telling people that they should just be using Windows? >And the point of Linux is that it's free (as in freedom) so if Windows decides to be retarded (they already are, you yourself admit as much since you won't use anything after Windows 7), then people have an alternative. People have HAD an alternative for nearly 30 years, yet you're still complaing about how people would rather use Windows (ANY version of Windows) over Linux. Perhaps you should re-evaluate what the actual "problem" is. >but most people are gonna need something that's actually up to date to newer hardware and software. And until you idiots pull your head out of your ass, they're always going to be using Windows, and you'll always be complaing about how these people are using Windows. How about you stop caring about Windows and focus on developing your own fucking OS? There is ALREADY a successful OS on the market that sells itself on the tagline of "At least it's not Windows", and that is MacOS, a Unix OS ironically enough. What does Linux have?

>>23206 >There is ALREADY a successful OS on the market that sells itself on the tagline of "At least it's not Windows", and that is MacOS, a Unix OS ironically enough. MacOS sells because it's Apple. There is no other reason. The iPod created Apple worshipers, and they've been worshipping them ever since.

>>23206 MacOS is even more of a walled garden than Windows, why would you even bring this up as an alternative? Do you not get the whole point of Linux is being libre? Windows compatibility is just a bonus to ease transition and have more possibilities. If you want your "own OS" just install Linux and remove any package that bring compatibility with Windows. I don't get your gripe with that.

>>22473 >install meme distro >dual booting with literal malware OS >stacks more shit on the problem and installs a 3rd or 4th distro Sorry, how is this a linux issue? Wipe your drive and properly test if linux is a fit for you. It may not be, but don't blame it for poor decision making on your part. If some Mac user was trying Windows for the first time and decided to delete their system32 folder and now suddenly nothing works, would you blame Windows or the end user? If you still need Windows in your life, just install KVM/QEMU or your whatever makes you happy and run it as a VM.

>>23261 How is a live USB booting into a kernel panic my fault? When I installed the meme distro from a live USB, the installer just worked™. I even tried the same USB stick. I'm also new to Linux, so I wasn't aware windows likes to destroy dual boots. The installer made it easy to create a dual boot, and there was no warning about windows not playing nice.

>>23262 From how it was phrased it sounded (to me) like you were trying to install multiple distros side by side with windows and your already broken openMandriva install. Kernel panic on a live CD isn't your fault. The blame is on ventoy most likely, or a corrupted ISO. Its also not your fault that Windows is malware but then don't claim that "Linux doesn't just work" if factors outside of Linux caused it to break. As I said before, give yourself the best shot at success. Wipe the drive and install a "Just works" distro like Fedora, Mint, or Ubuntu.

I honestly don't switch to Linux only because of the sheer amount of useful programs and games that decide to not ever be compatible. I would actually love to switch, but unless SteamOS becomes mainstream and widely accepted, it probably won't happen anytime soon. of course there's always workarounds for many, but if I'm gonna have to find a workaround and troubleshoot every time I install something, I'd rather get my data tracked by rich assholes who have nothing better to do with it than selling it.

>>22506 Not well at 100% cpu utilization because chinks can't code or whatever

>>23266 I had a similar dilemma just after I switched. For the reasons you stated its tough to make the switch if you expect 1:1 parity between your Windows workflow and Linux. You may have an easier time if instead you try to find the Linux solution to the problem. As an example, instead of holding your breath for a Linux port of Onenote, try Obsidian or Joplin.

>>23206 >What does Linux have Wobbly windows, a lack of spyware baked into the OS, and higher framerates for new games on steam but maybe this last one is just anecdotal

>>23302 oh, and workstations/viewports (or whatever they're called) that you can quickly switch between. good substitute for multiple monitors if you're working while abroad or can't be arsed to buy another monitor

Just wanted to say thabks for all your help. Switched from W10 to linux nobara. Still have much to learn but gsming works (main reason for w10) emulators work, music works. Fuck microsoft

I tried, but Nvidia hardware is a bitch. Installing the driver is fine (Tumbleweed), but I get awful stutter when playing anything with some level of fidelity (e.g. Sins 2).

It's impossible to type in Japanese (or any Asian language for that matter) on Linux.

>>23378 nah

My windows installation died today, getting random driver corruption errors, probably SSD issues but result is - dead OS Its the best opportunity to try Linux, every time I try it alongside Windows I just end up crawling back but now it could be different

>>23261 Poster of >>22473 here, I want to write a follow up. The GPU not showing up was not because of the meme distro. In fact, it's the same on CachyOS. Turns out that despite Linux reputation for reviving old hardware, the support for my old laptop's GPU doesn't fully exist. It kinda works. Launching a game, I can see it being used with amdgpu_top. But launching steam with the dedicated GPU option in plasma causes the steam window to flash a dark rectangle before immediately closing. I tried getting the proprietary driver, but I got an error saying my X server is too new for that driver. It's a shame. That just worked in windows, but I don't want to go back. Linux only uses 2GB of the 8GB ram on idle, wile windows doubles that to 4GB. Linux also don't randomly hogs CPU for compatibility telemetry or other random processes that don't do anything for the user. I hope I can use the data from amdgpu_top in the system monitor somehow, but I have to do more research.

>>23384 lol keep studying faggot