How would you rate as a background a weapon made to do aggravated damage to all supernaturals? https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Reliquary_(VTM) Something not that special except that it hurts everyone and is pretty durable. I’d say 2 dots, but three is also acceptable. At 2 dots = You posses a useful relic/artifact. At 3 dots = You possess a relic/artifact of significant power. Closest thing I found is the Crusader’s Sword. Which is a 5 dots relic. Thing is, it comes with other powers and effects, as well as it being brittle enough to get snapped in half if caught (almost assuredly if a supernatural has super strength). Would you be inclined as a ST to accept a cheaper option at 2 to 3 dots?

>>2902 I would use a Klaive as a direct comparison, which is a weapon that deals aggravated damage to anything and is made of silver, so it would be fairly durable when not activated. It's worth 4 dots, and you need to activate it first with a roll or spending a point of Gnosis, this lasts the scene. So definitely not 2 dots, and only 3 dots if it had a lot of restrictions.

>>2904 I see. That's a good guideline. I am surely reading the wiki wrong, but it seems that there are klaives ranking from 1 dot up to 6. What's the deal with the cheap ones? Plus many of the 3 and more dots klaives have additional special abilities tied to them. If the relic has no such thing, only AGG damage and durability, would it be logical to lower its cost to 3 dots instead?

>>2917 It's your game, so if you want to then go ahead. As per W20, normal 4 dot Klaives are not supposed to provide extra stats or abilities, whereas 5 dot Grand Klaives can. Baring in mind, gifts in werewolf are supposed to be limited in availability by their rank, and a Grand Klaive can sidestep that restriction, which makes them a big deal. I have no idea where you're getting cheap 1 dot Klaives from, could you link the wiki page for me? Looking at the wiki I usually make use of, there are two mentioned 3 dot Klaives. The first is a thrown weapon, so it's disposable in a sense, and the second has a raised difficulty to the standard Klaive, and hence it is cheaper.

>>2924 It's not for a game that I own or take part in yet. I ask just so I could see if I have a solid argument to a ST. And I think I got the wrong idea for the one dot Klaive due to the title of List of Hammer & Klaive General Fetishes in the Fetish wiki page. https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Fetish_(WOD) Looking at this wiki page, it indeed says that Klaives are 4 dots investment. https://third-dawn.fandom.com/wiki/Fetishes_and_Talens

>>2886 Leviathan has a lot of good lore but most of their stuff works better as a heavily modified changing breed. As is their forms are far too jank. The weird part is how the Mokole were right there to Ripp them off.

>>2902 >How would you rate as a background a weapon made to do aggravated damage to all supernaturals? 3 dot magical item. Nothing more nothing less

>>2962 >Leviathan has a lot of good lore Elaborate.

>>3129 They have a lot of what makes werewolves interesting, with more weird shit. Want a weird cult in the middle of nowhere? Here are 7 biologies and philosophies they might have with a large arsenal of powers and plot hooks use as an ST.

>>3129 The basic gist of it is that long ago, seven sea monsters ruled the world until the hero Marduk slayed them all, and helped humans take over. Now their descendants - known as the Tribe - are trying to adapt to the modern age, manage the cults of beloved that form around them, and deal with the Marduk society, a high-tech hunter organisation that's trying to get rid of them.

>>2964 Seems fair tbh

>>3222 While I understand what they were going for with Marduk society they feel off to me, to close to the technocrat and inquisition.

>>3274 Isn't that Mars War Logs/Technomancer in the second image?

>>3222 >>3276 >Isn't that Mars War Logs/Technomancer in the second image? yeah, it is a neat setting and you can run it with the sci fi supplements.

While we are talking about fan games I really like the idea of the alien: the stranded. It just sounds like fun trying to sneak around and avoiding CIA niggers. Or the FBI. I am not sure what agency handles aliens.

>>3307 Forgot the PDF.

4chan might be back but I will not forget this place.

>>3314 >>3308 >>3307 Is it any good?

>>3322 I wish I knew. Haven't played it. I think it is also unfinished.

>>3343 That's understandable. While I get what they are going for it just look very jank.

Any recent events you would use as a Pentex plot? I'm running werewolf in a couple weeks.

>>3307 >I am not sure what agency handles aliens. ICE.

>>3358 Perhaps something related to spirits of LLMs like chatGPT?

>>3358 >>3364 Corrupted Weaver pattern spirits masquerading as real people have been using social media to implant subliminal suggestions so as to influence the minds of unwitting users and make them more susceptible to possession and corruption. They might have been puppeting Zack Bergmark, internet mogul and founder of popular social media site Tetra-Canal. Your pack's mission is to infiltrate the headquarters of T-C's parent company Legi and assassinate Bergmark to exorcise the spirit possessing him, and to destroy its servers to end the corrosive mental influence it has on its userbase.

>>3367 Sounds fun.

>>3222 Generic lore. Wasted trips.

What are your experiences with Changeling the Dreaming? I have been skimming through C20 and so far it mostly looks like a narrower version of Mage.

>>3409 I get where you are coming from, but there is enough to work with and cut out the parts you dislike such as Marduk.

>>3358 Though everyone thought the Camazotz extinct, one manages to contact the local werewolves. To hear him tell it, there's a strange cult that worships a mysterious Bane spirit by way of urban bombings and attacks on passenger airliners. To make matters worse their elusive patron has blessed them with exceptional physical attributes so they can go toe to toe against fera, though for some reason they seem intent on exterminating the Camazotz in particular. The players' elder has little information regarding their identity, but understands stopping their plots is of critical importance. You better bring friends, because these guys don't seem to be a small threat at all.

>>3532 kek

>>3222 The Google Drive is a fucking mess. You're better off just making your own edition at this point.

>>3695 Make them a Changing Breed from War Against the Pure. That's the least jank version of Leviathan you can reasonably play. Most of their shit is better left as gifts and some rituals.

>>3703 That's a waste of potential. Leviathans have enough themes and whatnot to be their own splat. If anything, the best path is to update the 1e version to 2e.

I'm sick of this "fuel for powers" paradigm, literally every single gameline does it. Vampire does it with Vitae, Mage does it with Mana, Werewolf does it with Essence, Changeling does it with Glamour, the list goes on and on. Even the fangames do it. Give me a more interesting resource management power subsystem. Give me something new.

>>3769 you could always play with hunger dice?

Where do you get your game ideas from?