I still can't believe how hard they shot themselves in the foot.

>>1493 (OP) >>1500 This is why you shouldn't trust the hype culture and research your devs before paying for the product.

Really sad that this happened, the minis looked so cool, the rules looked kinda ass but I could have reworked Savage Worlds Showdown rules to make something more like what I'd want. I really like the minis and I want to buy / print some and paint them. I haven't given a penny to these guys yet and knowing they're SJWs I probably won't now. I missed the Kickstarter because I didn't have space or time for a wargame but now I more likely do in the future so I might print some of these at some point.

To be honest, I lost interest the more it moved away from Occult WW1 to the fantasy WW1Hammer it is now.

>>1493 (OP) That whole bit about humans serving hell and only the most evil ones being allowed to go to hell and return just sounds like a royalty free remix of chaos warriors and i don't get where it's supposed to be this evil reddit shit fam

I don't get the hateboner people on chans seem to have for this game It's fun, it has a cool aesthetic and from what I've seen the creators so far has been quite community friendly and transparent. Also releasing the book for free and supporting OC and kitbashing is always based. We've had lots of fun playing it with my group so far. Yes, it's silly, edgy and over the top and it's not ashamed of it or trying to take itself too seriously. Neither should you.

>>1564 bruh, talk about canned astroturf post if you'd read the measly 5 posts before you, you would get it you will likely disagree with them, and that's fine, but it won't be a puzzle why the hateboner is there

>>1554 I agree, but elaborate

>>1576 Some of the initial art, minis, and concept conjured images of "You're a 19yo Canadian, and the furthest away from the family farm in Saskatchewan you've been before the war was Ontario. Now, it's 1917 and you're raiding a trench - and instead of the German stahlhelms you're expecting, you see some foul monstrosity of man and machine emerge from the fog that rolled in. Your hands are shaking, but you rush forward and jam your bayonet into its biomechanical guts." Then I thought the Crusaders themselves are something closer to Iscariot or the Hellsing Organization. I thought it was going to be more like WW1 meets Silent Hill meets Hellsing; which I thought was compelling. Then it turned out to just be Dieselpunk 40k with the worldbuilding you'd expect out of AH.net slop or SDN or SB fanfiction from 2009 that somehow simultaneously edgy and boring. "It's not a phase, Mom!" Dystopian Wars just doesn't do it for me.

Trench crusade sucks because something about it feels mean-spirited and impersonal. 40k is fun. all the characters are are super-emotional in a Shakespearean way, the characters are Homeric and the drama is thick. Even when everything is shitty and dark and grim you can feel there are people who are caught in that setting doing what they have to to survive and even if they themselves are extremely, bombastically, bad people doing bad things they believe in something that pulls them through the darkness and the death to the other side. Tench Crusade, from what I've seen, just doesn't have that. TC is just kinda sucky.

>>1678 That's because Trench Crusade doesn't have any characters outside of lore blurbs

>4chan is kill >finally no more TC shit flinging >we are free to do anything >we can discuss anything >new begging for all 4chan refugees >retard-kun brings TC to new board >not even TC general, or TC talk, or TC art/mini dump >just seething how TC is bad 1/10, made me reply, kys, all fields

>>1688 Should have just made /awg/, would be just as dead here as it were home, and we'd have more than just TC to shitfling about. I really want to see Quar-anon's latest builds.

>>1678 Does help that early 40k didn't take itself too seriously. It became serious later but the first few editions were way more about looking cool than anything.

>>1678 40k does have nearly 40 years of lore and books to fall back on. Though I do find it hard to believe that TC will ever allow for a character like Ciaphas Cain or Trayzn to exist within its world. They’re too funny.

>>1560 Isn't Chaos's whole schtick that you have to activelly fight being possessed by it if you're touched by warp, that it lurks inside every human and that it will recruit anything it can't get because it can't breed itself like actual humans can? The predditness comes from how "elite" and "extreme" you have to be to become an evil soldier, as opposed to how much more run-of-the-mill Chaos makes becoming their henchmen is. It takes a preddit midwit to look at shitself as an elite soldier, or look at being recruited into an evil organization as something impressive, because shit had "sky"daddy issues. In the Grimdarkness of the 41st millenium, it may suck to be sacrificed to fuel a dead god, but it beats every other option by a large margin, because it's not a faggy gray vs gray setting.

>>1678 yeah 40k at its best has this larger than life style permeating everything that gives it energy. everything is heightened and like you said theatrically sweeping & huge, (often literally) the grim darkness being over the top too is part of that, not an end to itself. while TC feels like it's just trying to be gruesome and bleak in a very simple and straightforward way, which to be fair isn't necessarily a knock, but i think it's a problem when you try to make the jump from cool standalone art to a setting people are expect to immerse themselves in.

>>1688 TC is reddit safe edgy.

>>1500 This really killed any interest I had when I was looking at the game. I like some of the models and themes but i just cant trust any dev who makes it a bragging point that they kicked the hechin' nazis out of their fandom.

Listen, I get that you guys want to hate on Trench Crusade because of the discord tranny janny drama that happened one time, but it's not going away. It's not succeeding because of astroturfing, it's succeeding because it is literally a team of the best fucking people in tabletop wargames working with absolutely no managerial bullshitfuckery from soulless money grubbing CEO's over them. Tuomas Pirinen. Andy Chambers. Jervis Johnson. These three alone collectively have close to 90 years of game design experience and the latter two are responsible for why 40k is the biggest tabletop game in the world by a lightyear, they were the top guys in its golden days before GW went full fucking retard and all the good devs left. Also featuring art by John Blanche, Adrian Smith, Paul Bonner, Dave Gallagher, alongside Mike Franchina the creator of the setting who gives everything a coherent vision. There is no way in fuck this could have ever failed. And I'm saying this as a borderline fucking neo-nazi who thinks all trannies should be burned at the stake - I don't care about the fucking political drama in this instance when the game is this fucking sick with this many awesome people behind it.

>>1981 The setting sucks and the rules seem fine at best. I don’t really care who made it or why.

If Trench Crusade turns out to be flavour of the month sloppa and I already made miniatures for it, what game would be best to give a go while still being able to use the miniatures? So far I only know of Renegades from this thread: https://8chan.moe/tg/res/1580.html

>>1981 You could say the same for Bolt Action and how many people talk about that anymore?

>>1998 I think I'll try and shill Renegades from the LGS I visit's Discord Server. Biggest selling point is that the thing is entirely free so maybe there would be at least >one lad interested. I hope. Place is basically various card games and Warhammer stuff for miniatures so I efforts may just end up being in vain.

>>1564 The hate for TC is what's astroturfed. It's literally just people being buttmad that they got kicked from the discord because they posted politics, comments about nu40k or memes, or just assuming that's the case because they heard it elsewhere and they're snowflakes with a persecution complex. I remember when on /tg/ TC was actually popular. Then fat faggots decided they needed to slander it for threatening 40k/not supporting or representing them/being edgy and grimdark without le funny comedy satire of warhammer. I mean I get not everyone likes it but holy fuck, can those of us who enjoy this kind of shit get some peace without retards and tourists scrambling for (poor) reasons why it's actually evil? It's like a bible thumper trying to insist DnD is demonic. >>1538 Anon, the only thing they've said on the matter of politics is not to bring it into official spaces, because it's the ultimate skub and TC could provide a lot of ammo for it.

>>1804 Truly it's not for everyone. Which I think is part of the reason why it's become such a skub topic. It's been interpreted as a 'neo-retro warhammer' without the modern softenings and corporate-led bullshit like Primaris or returning Primarchs, but then people end up not liking it because it's not funny grimdark and satirical turbo-edgelord, but upfront and serious grimdark horror. >>1981 This, it's practically a mathematical guarantee to have taken off, even given the subject material. There's also the sheer hobbyist angle too, given how central kitbashing and homebrew/houserule crafting is in the game. >>1998 >Bolt action. >The most commonly spoken about historicals ttwg out there.

>>2010 >It's literally just people being buttmad that they got kicked from the discord because they posted politics, comments about nu40k or memes, or just assuming that's the case because they heard it elsewhere and they're snowflakes with a persecution complex. >Anon, the only thing they've said on the matter of politics is not to bring it into official spaces, because it's the ultimate skub and TC could provide a lot of ammo for it. Uh huh >>1500 Go shill your crap somewhere else.

So I know almost nothing of this game, but if it is explicitly trannoid freak friendly, it won’t get a look in from me.

All those grifters were ready to make Trench Crusade their new personality and the female custode drama was massive that it gave Trench Crusade the boost it needed for a week....only for them to gatekept and crawl back to 40k

>>2072 >using grifter That usually outs you as a bad lefty. I'd recommend to not use it if you want to look neutral. Not gonna lie. A lot of people have made trench crusade their identity partly to spite the chuds they hate so much. I think they live rent free in their head if I'm being honest. But I will be honest I sometimes wonder if I made Warhammer my personality and identity. I sometimes wonder if I will catch myself or if it is too late now. Point being is that I think it is a bad idea to make a product a personality, and I've seen a lot of Trenchers do it. I'm making a 3D printing list to make some heretic legion trenchers, but I'm keeping them in the basic human cannon fodder with nothing like artillery witches or monsters because if TC's popularity just gutters out like Turnip28 did then I might be able to still play the trenchers in other games. Hopefully.

>>2077 Okay sorry actual right wing personalities, all I recall is I know Arch tried to push it heavily only for the drama to start but a majority basically all crawled back to 40k. They can deal with GWs corpo leftism since its only done to save face while TC has the rot from top to bottom

>>2086 >Okay sorry No worries, anon. I still slip up every now and then and out myself through phrases typically associated with right wing internet users as much as I want to try and stay neutral. We can suffer together. Point is that it is true that Arch may have been the biggest pusher of his audience on Trench Crusade. I'm still waiting for screenshots of that incident. I've seen trolls say it never happened because of the "pics or it didn't happen" meme. >the majority basically all crawled back to 40k." I guarantee you a lot did because most people play Warhammer because no other game is being played but Warhammer. It is a weird self feeding cycle. >They can deal with GW's corpo leftism" Yeah GW plays it real weird with how they say that the Imperium is satirical and yet they don't seem to treat the 40k setting as a satire at all and worse still glorify the Imperium of Man, but if there is controversy they pull out the satire card to as you say save face. >TC has the rot from top to bottom Damn right. I guarantee you that a lot of TC's support is just spiting those that would enjoy Arch's content. No game can really thrive off hateful spite no matter who it is directed towards. And I'd imagine that a lot of onlookers would avoid TC as it may just be used as a tool to drum up political conversations as all they want to do is roll dice and move minis and have fun.

>>2089 I have this

>>2086 AetiusRF is another big Xitter account that also did. He runs an account that is mostly political and follows and replyguys accounts like BAP and Zero HP Lovecraft. Needless, he's a very political and very rw poster. He's still asshurt that the trannies, who are also on Xitter, instantly saw through the /pol/ Deus Cult audience he was bringing. There are a couple others, but he still seethes every few months about "We could have made you, Trench Crusade. We were going to give you so much money, and you booted us." Crying like some "I'll kill myself if you don't take me to prom" chick is really faggy and lame. What are you so upset about dude? That you couldn't give money to 28Mag trannies that hate your guts?

>>1493 (OP) >baseless schizophrenic fantasies: the post

>>2010 >>2011 Thanks for proving the point of this game being astroturfed and lying about what went down.

>>1981 >>2140 Very organic.

28mag is super hard left and part of the reason why TC is stillborn from the gate.

>>2102 People love to consoom. When there’s a barrier to that (self-imposed or foreign) they get irrationally upset.

Reminder that a single(1) space marine would solo the entire setting

>>2162 >>2164 You are literally a fucking schizo, dude. The game was produced with the pocket money that Tuomas and Mike had on hand, they aren't paying anyone to astroturf it, it just genuinely picked up organic support because it's good shit. Again, part of what makes it good in the first place is that it's a passion project by creatives who have ZERO corporate shekel-counter types calling the shots, the devs are fully 100% in control. This is also how you know the shit isn't astroturfed. You lack discernment.

>>2170 TC is retarded if they weren't sjws they'd of made millions.

>>2188 Real and very true. Unit of grey knights would solve the entire of hell invasion in a single afternoon

Map shows no sense of peril. >>2220 They'd laugh at how minor Hell's invasion is.

>>2228 The Scythians, Khanate, and the two kangdoms of western North Africa really get me Who the fuck are these people, and how are they surviving bordering the lands of Hell?

>>2231 The map has no logic.

I don't think there should be a map at all. Everything would be better off as some kind of vague purgatory like nightmare.

>>2228 This whole game has zero world building. They didn't even bother to think how the world diverged from the 10th century. They just imagined Europe would just develop as is and Islam would just have turks but elsewhere. Pretty lazy, pretty funny. As for 28Mag, they are all fags. They do "Women in wargaming" shit and their women's day issue of that shitty webzine had a bunch of trannies in it. It's a shitty "publication" where they talk about nonsense that has nothing to do with hobby, write romance stories about homosexual space marines and have trannies write pieces on how female space marines should be a thing. As for the game itself I think it's actually grimderp, somehow worse than 40K at its lowest point.

>>2259 You can have a map its just that Europe should look like a fucking disaster. Instead its frozen in time with no actual thought put into how history would have progressed over the course of 800 years.

>>2261 It's nonsense. Why is Bavaria just there right next to Hell's European claim? Why isn't that area a Military Frontier settled by all the people who fled the Slovenia, Croatia and the rest of the Balkans? There was a Military Frontier in that area during the Ottoman wars in real life so why not something like that here?

>>2260 >As for the game itself I think it's actually grimderp TC is Night Lords and Dark Eldar levels of edge applied to every single faction. On top of making the setting cartoonishly bleak it also has the side effect of making everyone very samey.

>>2263 >On top of making the setting cartoonishly bleak it also has the side effect of making everyone very samey. It's bleak but safe all at the same time.

>>2101 I'm no fan of Arch for a number of reasons but this isn't his fault. TC and co choose to go full retard.

>>1493 (OP) My issue with TC is that whole things feels very disconnected from itself. Yeah the art is cool and all but I don't think we have any art of the different factions or units interacting with each other

>>2016 >Here look at this single image of a Finnish guy talking about politicized internet influencers and having to deal with their tardrage. Discounting his unsubtle language, that's what happened though. >Bunch of politically radicalized e-celebs (most famously Arch) tried to muscle in on the project, or joined the server thinking this was about resisting the global wokeness. >They got booted. >They decided to attack it for daring to not affirm their political views or represent them. That's why we have threads like this, and people like you. Who just hear "oh it's buzzword buzzword" and mindlessly try ruin it using tenuous stretch claims, instead of checking for yourselves if said claims hold up, or playing the game.

>>2286 You're gay and you like a gay game made by fags and troons. Just be normal and play Mordheim if you want a game by that finnish cunt that's good.

>>2286 See >>1500 and the fact they are doing funded by 28mag which is far left.

>>2275 it's just concept art

>>2286 This falling over yourself to undo the damage is just sad. They pretty much announced the game will be gay and lame and thats a good thing to them. So I just wont buy it.

>>1493 (OP) >Edited last time by Mortarion on 04/20/2025 (Sun) 11:00:21. What does this mean why is stinkyman editing posts?

>>2315 Rules are free and they encourage people to 3d print/kitbash their own dudes

>>2317 I added a subject line to the thread. That is it.

>>2228 Like other anons said, it's a shame that there's little to no thought put into the map and setting outside of just throwing in cool ideas. Almost make me want to redraw the map to at least show how a world under a demonic invasion might develop.

I think the lore is kind of stupid, now I know it's just a wargame and the lore isn't supposed to be important, its just a backdrop in which to set your game and all, but for some reason it does bother me and it prevents me from enjoying it. Its like its trying to be nonsensical and realistic at the same time. warhammer 40k has a ton of consistency issues but somehow it makes it all fit together really well. how does GW do it? That said TC is still VERY new (technically it hasnt even been released yet) so they'll probably keep adjusting it/fine tuning it over time. but i'm also concerned with the fact that they're adding so many new factions (and sub-factions) when the game hasn't even been released. maybe they should have focused on having 2 core factions fully playtested and 100% balanced before adding so much stuff.... what's next? vampires? aztec jaguar warriors? chinese terracota warriors? lol

>>2343 You pointed it out already, 40k had decades of trial and error until they got their tone/setting more or less consistent.

>>2343 Don't hold your breath. TC feels like a non-starter with its setting. I'd keep my eyes on Firelock 198X and Forsaken Gods. Firelock is still very much in development, while Forsaken Gods has some 3D print sculpts out at the moment.

>>2016 Given the pushed narrative that "Hey TC is actually super bad wrongthink" instead of Kino as shit, that came about after radicalized e-celebs tried politics posting on the official discord (there are two rules, one of which is no politics posting because it's based off of irl historical cultures and religions), especially given they're all the same buzzword claims with zero actual stock behind them, I'd say he's not wrong. He's ESL but he's not wrong. >B-But it was always like this Anon I've been in this shit since the beginning. I remember the first post to troll/slander the game on /tg/, and it was super obvious in that moment, as it is now.

>>2275 There's a couple pieces out there anon. >>2072 You right, but anons don't want the truth. They just want a reason to get offended because they got gatekept. If it was really the bad game, doomed to fail they try insist it is, no one would be bringing it up to say so, this much.

>>2414 You're full of shit. They waited for people to go offline for the day and banned them over night. The mods even said they banned people "because of vibes". You should read 28mag, I'm sure you'd love articles about how the hobby relates to mental illness, a troon's musings on female space marines, "Activism through hobbies" and other greats like "Can Love Bloom On The Battlefield: Semi-Incestuous Homo Edition"

>>2414 >Kino as shit You’re trying too hard lol

>>2414 The people behind the game already admitted they banned people just because they were suspected of being right wing. People weren't coming to their discord and talking about politics. Why are you lying?

I still have not been able to get a good answer for what the mummified demon baby is on the Heretic Legionnaire’s kit. Is it a sort of radio, a grenade, rations? >It’s whatever you want it to be. Fuck you and fuck your shallow setting and it’s shitty low effort, unimaginative map that you spent hundreds of hours painting. I knew it was gonna be bad when I started reading the lore and encountered this made up Meta-Christ nonsense and it became clear they had not studied any Christian Theology and the more I learned the more my suspicions that this was a shallow, thoughtless production was confirmed. A good game doesn’t engage in mainstream political slap fights vs chuds and troons. It immerses the players in the schizo ideologies that motivate the factions of the setting, and that make zero sense outside of it, and antagonizes the players into flame wars with each other.

We have Mutant Chronicles Warzone at home

>>2447 Yeah, it's extremely shallow, at least for now. There are no named characters and only two "big" Infernal Court villains (Mammon and Beelzebub, who isn't even part of the Court btw) It does look like they're trying to change this. they're supposed to release a big campaign sometime this year (Carcass front) introducing some named characters and another big bad guy called Leviathan, a demon who is somehow being held prisoner on earth. i'll probably give the campaign a try when its released

>Moe has Ditch Jihad shills What a time to be alive.

>>2456 I mean there is a weird effect where free stuff gets heavily defended and shilled. This isn't unique to Trench Crusade. Criticize Linux (free but not perfect) and watch as the fanboys come out of the woodwork and call you all sorts of names under the sun. Like just because it is free doesn't mean it is free from flaws. This phenomenon can also been seen when criticizing free software like Blender and/or Krita. Fans of 3D printing also kind of do this kind of preaching about 3D printing to the point where it gets annoying. It may be something built into our brains where if we get something for free or at a massive discount we just defend it religiously and preach about it. Trench Crusade is free and while not open source, the aspect of it being free is making a lot of people religiously support it and preach about it given that it is free. Closest tabletop example I can think of besides trench crusade exhibiting the free aspect meaning lots of fanboys and preachers is probably OPR. >>2447 The main problem I have with Trench Crusade is that it has sided with the kind of lefties that are a sensitive moral policing moral panic mirror to the kinds of puritan Christians that said that DND and Harry Potter would lead one to Satan of yesteryear. Eventually the TC team is gonna step on a landmine and will be called bigoted and lose support. They will either backtrack on it or stick to their artistic vision and lose support from the very audience they sided with.

>>2559 They already got attacked for the Eurocentric setting.

>>2609 Looks like the bleeding of Trench Crusade begins. It will most likely get a spike when the rules go out of beta testing, but I think the seeds are germinating.

>>2010 Oh so now leftists are fully on board with leaving politics out of games since they're losing?

>>2416 think we'll ever get a fictional setting where women are actually women and can't fight like men can? I'm getting pretty tired of it honestly. Women are not men, they can't fight like men, they are not as strong or fast, they are even dumber on average by a couple IQ points. The way women could fight in a war like this is completely different from how men would fight but artistic and literary depictions keep trying to turn women into men and I'm sick of it. I'm so fucking sick of egalitarianism and everything being equal. Everything is not equal, everyone is fucking wildly different and some people are simply inherently incapable of doing what other people can do. It's more interesting when you have characters with driven goals and desires and needs who have to work around their limitations rather than pretending the differences don't exist and everyone is exactly the same. What a colossal waste of potential let alone the cultural black hole it creates as this space that could be filled with a different kind of heroism is left utterly empty.

>>2447 >what the mummified demon baby is on the Heretic Legionnaire’s kit They just let the artist draw whatever and try to stitch a coherent setting out of them

>>2838 Trench Crusade is the one setting where I don't mind it because the female fighters are all shit like Battle Nuns and Sword Saints based on Joan of Arc type vibes, which is very fitting with the aesthetic and themes. Same way nobody called the Sisters of Battle leftoid shit when they first came out in the 90s. Modern woke marxist crap has unfortunately poisoned the well now and given everyone mental AIDS so the defense system kicks in and automatically attacks all depictions of female warriors like your immune system killing healthy cells. Just another reason to hate leftists.

This game shot itself in the foot when they limited the scope of the world by writing in their lore that Colonialism never happened in this universe because Europe was too busy dealing with Hell to explore the world. Kind of silly when you ask me. If Hell is spreading around the world for about 900 or so years wouldn't it make sense to chart every corner of the world and keep tabs EVERYWHERE to see where hotspot might pop up. Nah, Hell just rules the waves or some shit because reasons. I'm agreeing with commie fags for the wrong reasons, the setting is too Eurocentric and I don't mean that in the gay way they do. I mean it in the way that there is nothing going on anywhere else on the planet. It's like this little bubble that limits player creativity. Why can't I have a Japanese warband? The Portuguese going to Japan predates the proper colonial period that makes leftoids assmad for example.

>>2937 >Why can't I have a Japanese warband Imagine the loops they would have to jump through in order make sure no one finds it culturally insensitive Not to mention what the heckin' chuds might end up kitbashing

>>2937 The real reason they do that is because the point of the setting thematically and aesthetically is to be "WW1 meets the Crusades with Abrahamic religiosity maxed out to high hell" and not to be some kitchen sink, Marvelslop, Neil Gaiman esque "all gods and religions are real" that has to implement fucking chink shit and norse pagan shit and all that other sideshow crap that doesn't fit in with the Crusades or the European-centric Great War.

>>2077 >like Turnip28 did What happened to turnip?

>>2937 no, just no. the whole point of the setting is WW1+crusades. Knights with bolt action rifles and gas masks and so on. it's SUPPOSED to be eurocentric. it just doesn't work if you start adding aztec jaguar warriors and samurais. it becomes silly.

>>2974 I would actually agree with this if they had done any real theological research and not have the most surface level aesthetic understanding of Abrahamic religions.

>>2974 >not to be some kitchen sink, Marvelslop, Neil Gaiman esque "all gods and religions are real" that has to implement fucking chink shit and norse pagan shit and all that other sideshow crap That's not my point. I'm not asking for Amaterasu or Thor to be in the setting or anything like that. It's just that the world seems empty and any attempt to explore it is handwaved away with bullshit like "we can't sail the world because DEVIL PIRATES". Aren't the people in the legions of hell supposed to be insanely evil motherfuckers and only few of them ever make it to become a heretic soldier? How come there is enough of these cartoonishly people who survived the hell gate pilgrimage to stop all sea-faring activity by multiple European powers. Where do the European powers get their natural resources such as oil from? Does everything still exclusively run on Polish coal? The idea that the world has been in stasis and nothing is going on in the world is what makes it feel less believable. This is the issue of setting your fantasy game on Earth in modern times. You still have to play by some of reality's rules. Europe had its local conflicts between multiple nation states and kingdoms that spill over to the colonies and holdings like the Caribbean Islands. >>2977 >no, just no. the whole point of the setting is WW1+crusades. Knights with bolt action rifles and gas masks and so on. it's SUPPOSED to be eurocentric. None of these people are knights. It's just shit dieselpunk with antiquated armour. You have people wearing ineffectual plate in the same setting that has power armoured men with 40mm Pompom guns. At least the bullshit plate armour in 40K is made out of sci-fi materials like plasteel or ceramite, but why are soldiers wearing shit that won't stop a bullet and will only weigh them down more? Because it looks cool to Mike Franchina? Come on. Look at these two images from the same guy, they don't even seem like they are from the same setting or time period. I'd say an anachronistic knight existing in the same 1918 setting as the power armoured soldier and uniformed military guy are just as dumb as an aztec jaguar warrior and samurai. Mismatched tech levels and aesthetic coherency in Trench Crusade don't have the same excuse 40K does with its thousands of planets with different levels of tech under the Imperium.

>>2974 Watch them cave in and add African and Aztec religions as their audience puts pressure on them

>>2977 >it just doesn't work if you start adding aztec jaguar warriors and samurais. it becomes silly. That sounds fucking awesome why can't we have shit that is actually cool?

>>2997 Because it'll just end up looking like Warhammer Fantasy

>>2930 St Joan of Arc never used her sword in anger, except for the time she chased prostitutes out of the camp using the flat of the blade to slap them on the ass. She carried her banner into battle, keeping her sword sheathed.

>>2559 > moral panic mirror to the kinds of puritan Christians that said that DND and Harry Potter would lead one to Satan of yesteryear. To be fair, have you interacted with adult Harry Potter fans? They did not end up okay.

The art is great shame it's pozzed shit.

>>3014 speaking of which apparently they've added some kind of portal to hell in the north pole or some shit. What was the point of taking Gibraltar then? the lore makes less sense the more they work on it lmao.

>>2077 >noooo dont use le badwrongthink word Cattle so mindbroken it herds itself, I would LOL if it wasn't worrying. It's especially sad since "grifter" originally gained traction to disparage breadtubers and their "eat the rich, also rich starts at $1bln since the plebs figured out I'm a millionaire" antics.

>>3190 It fucking sucks what it turned into, or I guess was from the start. I remember seeing Mike's art years ago and loved all of it. I got wind of TC using his works being turned into miniatures and was really excited. Shame to see TC's creators are somehow more batshit insane than GW. I might pick up some models but will ignore the game itself, dead before it even fully launched.

This seemed like a promising war game that packed thoughtful world building that got into bed with sjws.

>>3243 >Shame to see TC's creators are somehow more batshit insane than GW. GW is able to hold their bullshit in somewhat.

>>1493 (OP) Why did Reddit fedora types make a game about Christianity fighting demons if they hate Christians?

>>3355 I have a feeling the art came before the setting and they are kind of stuck with the heaven vs hell aspect because it's what Mike Franchina drew.

>>3356 >Mike Franchina He's a fucking incredible artist, and it's a shame he has the sjw brain rot.

>>3356 They have said they let Mike draw what ever and try to make a setting out of them afterwards

>>3400 Not knocking the his art because he's pretty good, but that sort of approach usually results in disaster. It's like developing a game without a design document Bioware style lol

>>3401 Well that kinda approach can work for videogames. It especially works since most people will happily look past plot holes made for the sake of gameplay. If you want to make a whole grimdark universe made to be taken seriously though I don't think this approach is going to work nearly as well.

So why do 4/tg/ Jannie’s run so much damage control for this game?

>>3407 Tribalism is a hell of a thing. The other side dislikes it so therefore the trannies have to defend it. They don't actually like it mind you, They just dont want to give the rightwing a win.

>>1493 (OP) The artwork is spectacular but the lore and world building are amateurish. Why is th map not a total disaster if it's been 800ish years?

>>2985 Just a little guy and his friend :) >>1493 (OP) The art is good for stealing/getting influence from atleast, but that's about it

>>3418 >The art is good for stealing/getting influence from atleast, but that's about it Yea it'll inspire some good art.

>>3411 >Why is th map not a total disaster if it's been 800ish years? You know you retards could just read the lore instead of asking this question over and over and over when it's directly addressed like, right away in some of the first pages of the setting primer. Demons are immortal. 800 years to them is the blink of an eye. They are in no rush to conquer to world, in fact, they enjoy the suffering that a slow grindy war of attrition causes. They are also backstabbing, conniving bastard fucks that spend far more time fighting each other over the power dynamics of the courts of Hell than they do banding together to fight the Faithful forces of Humanity. Only every once in awhile (read: every few centuries or so) do they have some kind of big, major, coordinated offensive into non-Hell lands, and when they do, it carves out massive new tracts of land. Then the Faithful side spends the next few centuries slowly pushing them back and reclaiming some of that ground. The point is not to win. The point is to have a forever war, because war is hell.

>>2985 You're a retard who hasn't read a single bit of the lore. You need to actually read the shit if you're going to criticize it. >At least the bullshit plate armour in 40K is made out of sci-fi materials like plasteel or ceramite, but why are soldiers wearing shit that won't stop a bullet and will only weigh them down more? Case in point. All of your opinions are now worthless because you just proved you haven't even opened the fucking lore document, or you'd know that the armour in Trench Crusade is also made out of fantasy material unobtanium shit from divinely inspired alchemical metallurgy.

>>3425 >muh orichalcum Nah, this shit is gay and visually incoherent. Why would you want a Christianity themed game from greasy fags who think the pope is a nazi or hold some other sheltered retard opinion? Why would you play shit like this over Inquisitor, Mordheim or Necromunda? Because it has some of the people who worked on these games in the past? Cool. Are you the same type of guy who would play Mighty Number 9 over Megaman because you love sucking Inafune's cock? >>3424 The lore primer and timeline sucked.

>>3424 Just makes the demons look like total retards. 800 years and this is all they got. Its like Abaddon all over again, thousands of years and they didn't get anywhere.

>800 years and Hell has nothing to show for it Fucking muds in 150 years were able to conquer land from Spain to India.

>>3424 >>3425 This the most flimsy excuse I've read in a while. Are you Ditch Jihad shills this fucking retarded?

Heads up /tg/ TC discord fags are aware of this thread .