https://www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2022/07/design-of-a-card-jeskai-elder/ "there’s this illusion among players that balance is an inherently good thing. When you zoom out, you want there to be a dynamic balance among archetypes in Limited or Constructed format, but only at that macro level. On an individual level, you want there to be power imbalances. " Zach Barash, Design of a Card: Jeskai Elder

it kills me that the boards finally getting life again. But its all YugiOh. Surely you guys have seen some 40k stuff yeah?

>>491 The collab with mtg? Between D&D and Balduer gate I can't remember which one character background mechanic came from

There are people who play Llanowar Elf longer than I lived

Does thoughtseize still matter?

>>491 I saw it I bought it I like it >vehicles all kinda do some cool stuff but crewing vehicles is pretty meh >cryptothrall is a good option but it's not very cost effective >canoptek scarabs are all kinda weird and don't synergize very well >Szarekh puts himself on the line just for the potential to put a creature into your hand >Anrakyr is good, but primarily best for getting artifacts that you can't return very well, much better cards can do what he does >Imotekh is cheep, easy to put down, and has a relatively nice ability set that plays well with most of the cards no matter what you choose to keep or swap >Trazyn is godly when you have a full grave, which the deck is great at, but is way too expensive for early game, meaning he is best suited to be a secondary win con After I thought about his ability a bit more, he has a lot of synergy potential as long as you can keep your grave in play, which is actually fairly easy all told >pili-pala means he untaps for infinite mana if you have a mana source artifact in your graveyard that taps for more than one mana >golem artisan makes it so everything can be haste trample fliers with as many +1/+1s as you desire >endless atlas means infinite drawing >elixr of immortality as a safe, quick way to delete your graveyard if you need to subvert an exodus >scarecrone and skeleton shard return artifact creatures to your field or hand respectively, causing commander stormlord to make necron creatures two by one >bolas's citadel can be used in conjunction with all the aforementioned abilities to tap, sac 10 creatures, 4 of which should be non-tokens, do 10 damage to all opponents, 2+untap generate 1 mana, pull 4 creatures from your grave, generate 8 necron tokens, and do it all over again until your opponent is out of life >if they have some sort of lich card or an ability that prevents them from dying due to life loss or are unable to lose the game otherwise the deck needs some removal to satisfy those conditions, many of which exist as creature cards in the deck, such as a creature that forces players to sac when it enters the battlefield, which if you're using the above method, should just be a necron token All in all it's a pretty strong precon and it doesn't take a whole lot to tinker with it's basically a fun necromancy deck with artifacts instead of dead, and since it's got a monocolor commander you can use some of the stronger monocolor spells black offers. The only problems are the general pitfalls of artifacts, but since this deck has a lot of options for restoring your numbers.

>>502 I feel like your still talking about yugioh. Whatever close enough.

>>491 >>504 kill yourself asshole you don't contribute more

remind me of dota's captain

>>1021 Reminds me of Fur hire.

https://youtube.com/shorts/em8Iwuntz64?si=HWFi53HEBynV8NYQ I hate mtg lingo. 1 itbdoesnt state it is once per turn 2 the variable effect is continously checking unlike Sandayu

Not content with using AI they are now just ripping off other peoples work directly.

Yugioh player here. I heard Mtg spoiler season never end for the past year. We do get weekly spoiler/ card preview but this year there is a 1 month period of preview drought from early February this year.

>>1100 Blatant plagiarism like this in the internet era confuses me. You're gonna get caught and you're gonna get a very public shaming. Especially for something so high profile. Surely they've seen plagiarists getting caught themselves, do people think they're magically immune?

>>1178 It is doubly confusing since he did so much to try and hide it. Like he could have put all that effort towards just drawing some stairs.

just a little over thousand posts, feels weird man. I wonder if this hole will be the new place for /edhg/ and /mmg/ or maybe I dug too deep by necropostan..

>>1307 I wonder if this goes on long enough if splinter threads for the formats will pop up.

>>1336 Let's see if there's even enough traffic to keep one thread's discussion alive first. And in that spirit, anyone had any good experiences with Dragonstorm limited? Is it worth trying to find a draft or should I just buy singles of whatever cards I want?

>>1344 maybe the anon who said I was just replying to myself in those threads was right all along considering how few migrated. pic kinda related also >quippy quote >x's last words this flavor text every time, man

>>1363 I think a lot of people expected 4chan to be down for a few days and come back, but it's not. 8chan site traffic will probably increase over the next few weeks while we talk about Final Fantasy spoilers.

So much shit is happening across all my interests and 4chan decides to go down now. Fuck. This was gonna be a great chance to talk about MTG Arena on /v/ too.

>>1364 well at least this place has ids so shitpostan might decline drastically

>>1367 Probably. The catalog is small enough that your ID is basically permanent, so you're going to have to stand by your decisions and defend your opinions. What's the image limit on 8chan?

>>1368 Wait, the IDs are the same across different threads? Absolute cringe.

>>1369 No, I meant that there aren't enough threads for bump limit to churn this thread out, so this will be the only mtg thread until we hit the image limit.

>>1367 IDs are worthless, mine already changed for no reason a bunch of times

>>1372 I travel a lot for work and mostly phonepost, so it will probably change whenever I move between cell towers.

>>1344 Yeah, fair enough. I imagine there will be some splitting of perception depending on what format exactly but a decent amount is still the same.

>>1363 >x's last words I initially thought this was a joke card with that. They really do love using that. Got to say, a two mana copy with only slight restrictions isn't half bad.

the bracket system was a good idea!

>>499 It's still okay in the sideboard.

New Frank Karsten article if anyone still cares about Standard https://magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-standard-takes-flight-with-tarkir-dragonstorm I am still seething that Monstrous Rage wasn't banned, especially now with Cori-Steel Cutters showing up in every format. >>1364 I hope more people find this thread. I always enjoy reading anon's takes on card power levels (whether they're right or wrong) as they get spoiled.

>4chink dead >Can't find anons everywhere else who are into real magic I kinda get why JotC thinks standard is flourishing, nobody just cares about competitive anymore. or i'm retarded and have no idea where it's being talked on except for d*scord

>>1469 mark nosewater won with the fracturing of the chamber of truths

Let me get this straight: Tarkir is an Asian set and every human in the set is clearly Asian or at most difficult to tell (pics related). Why can't the same apply to European sets?

Where have the /tg/s refugees gone to?

>>1469 I'd love to complain about the state of magic right now, I mostly play arena and I fucking HATE ORHOZ

footGODS can't stop winning also, EDH/Commander thread post your decks

>>1509 Europeans are "normal", so they have to be changed to something else. Asians aren't "normal" so they're fine. Yes, this is retarded.

>>1530 dood could at least have pastad up >The new bracket system, currently in beta https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta >Spoilers http://www.magicspoiler.com/ https://mythicspoiler.com/ >Commander website, where you can learn the rules, see the current banlist, and read the format philosophy, laid down by the rules committee https://mtgcommander.net >Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet https://www.edhrec.com >Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices https://www.archidekt.com https://www.moxfield.com https://www.tappedout.net >Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity https://managathering.com >Card search https://scryfall.com >Make custom cards https://magicseteditor.boards.net https://mtg.design https://mtgcardsmith.com >Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM >How to proxy using any printer https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com >Precons https://magicprecons.com >TQ what drives a man to spread pic rel kind of propaganda. are these some control player rape victims that get their feelings hurt if I counter their wincon too?

>>1522 ain't there a rdw format on arena too? I played the forge adventure mode and it had alchemy cards. shit's busted

>>1558 Naw, there's too much life gain, especially in historic. RDW is dead, DEAD

>>1509 Something leftist ploy to push for representing minorities (despite them not even daring touch the game with a ten-foot pole.) something.

Here is my first draft for a King of Oathbreaker's EDH deck with a focus on Tokens and some lockout using some cardsI have on hand. Commander: 1 King of the Oathbreakers Creatures (20): 1 Clarion Spirit 1 Hanged Executioner 1 Mirror Entity 1 Selfless Spirit 1 Kami of False Hope 1 Twilight Drover 1 Thalisse, Reverent Medium 1 Windborn Muse 1 Katilda, Dawnhart Martyr 1 Drogskol Cavalry 1 Drogskol Reinforcements 1 Angel of Flight Alabaster 1 Horobi, Death's Wail 1 Opposition Agent 1 Mirkwood Bats 1 Grey Host Reinforcements 1 Skyclave Apparition 1 Remorseful Cleric 1 Bygone Bishop 1 Guardian of Faith Instants (11): 1 Swords to Plowshares 1 Path to Exile 1 Anguished Unmaking 1 Kaya's Guile 1 Benevolent Offering 1 Cauldron Haze 1 Eerie Interlude 1 Scapegoat 1 Embolden 1 Release to Memory 1 Plumb the Forbidden Sorceries (8): 1 Austere Command 1 Hour of Reckoning 1 Kirtar's Wrath 1 Lingering Souls 1 Spectral Procession 1 Storm of Souls 1 Shadow Summoning

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1 Patriarch's Bidding Artifacts (11): 1 Sol Ring 1 Arcane Signet 1 Orzhov Signet 1 Talisman of Hierarchy 1 Mind Stone 1 Fellwar Stone 1 Skullclamp 1 Long-Forgotten Gohei 1 Staff of the Storyteller 1 Oketra's Monument 1 Golden Argosy Enchantments (11): 1 Blind Obedience 1 Ghostly Prison 1 Ethereal Absolution 1 Field of Souls 1 Haunted Library 1 Promise of Bunrei 1 Intangible Virtue 1 Etchings of the Chosen 1 Spirit Bonds 1 Inspiring Leader 1 Bastion of Remembrance Planeswalker (1): 1 Kaya, Geist Hunter Lands (37): 1 Command Tower 1 Path of Ancestry 1 Orzhov Basilica 1 Caves of Koilos 1 Isolated Chapel 1 Shattered Sanctum 1 Tainted Field 1 Temple of Silence 1 Scoured Barrens 1 Sunlit Marsh 1 Unclaimed Territory 1 Vault of the Archangel 1 Bojuka Bog 1 Shineshadow Snarl 1 Myriad Landscape 1 Evolving Wilds 1 Terramorphic Expanse 13 Plains 7 Swamp

>>1650 where is the lockout?

>>1559 like what, authority of the consuls?

>>1655 Sorin and tell

>>1657 bro it's not legal in rdw format

>>1664 I did specify historic

>>1665 oh, right. but there IS a rdw format on arena. just in case you get tired of orzhov in historic

>>1669 RDW format is fine, it's way better than the thoughtseize combo format IMO...

Mono-green is the best, I will not hear otherwise. >We draw more than blue >we can lifegain harder than white >we can reanimate just like black >we can do büngo damage like red But I would like more big flyers, wizards pls.

>>1683 you forgot >get excused for tutoring in low brackets >get excused for getting interacted with your resources >get to dodge playable exile removal on your resources almost completely anyway there is LITERALLY nothing you can do against green

>>1469 >4chan down >All my favorite alt chans died years ago >X and Reddit are still not worth the squeeze Guess this might be my new home now.

>>1685 >there is LITERALLY nothing you can do against green Give 'em the 'ol halve-their-life on turn 3. It's done miracles against the green decks at my group, to the point one guy with a sultai deck says he'll scoop if it happens early.

>>1689 I hope 4chan reopens soon. This thread is almost as slow as the custom card thread

>>1694 well not only is half not dead but >can lifegain harder than white

>>1700 If the people at your tables let the green player get away with that, that's on them. If 3 people can't group up to pummel one person into the soil, then there's other issues.

Tiamat's deck so far. Got lucky in the Draft and got Ugin and Mox Jasper. Buddy pulled Dracogenesis though and I had nothing to trade with him.

>>1697 We just need to post more. I'm sure it will pick up a bit when Final Fantasy spoilers start in ernest.

>>484 >balance is an inherently good thing It is. Because the opposite is a game where the vast majority of possible playstyles lose you the game. Having to play either the fastest aggro deck or the only control/combo deck powerful enough to beat that aggro consistently is absolute garbage. And it's funny how this retard thinks it's a good thing to have a game where everything has haste and gets bigger constantly.

>>1559 >RDW is dead LMAO >too much life gain Lifegain decks kill midrange and control much more than they do aggro. Life gain is generally still too slow and relies too much on luck compared to the aggro decks.

>>1522 Generally white and white multicolors get disproportionately overpowered cards. It's a problem with WotC's design ethos.

>>1728 anon that post is over 2 years old. bro is propably dead

>>1730 But anon said White is severely underpowered.

>>1697 What, not enough Gay Bolas for you here?

Overruns are fair Magic

>>1683 >>we can reanimate just like black Citation needed >>1694 Henzie would be so based if he wasn't New Capenna >>1709 Fellow Outlaw Star enjoyer, and your pile of dragons is neat too.

>>1766 Based Post your favorite Overruns

>Try out competitive format that's incredibly popular where I live. >$250 staples.

One thing I've always wanted to do but have never had enough care or ambition is go through all of the Basic Sets before M10 and compare/contrast what's in them to create an Archetypal M:tG and do a complete Rules rewrite with all of the knowledge about the game and it's meta we now have to work off of. Create a sane eternal format that is quintessentially Magic with all the bullshit filed off. I think that kind of thing is what would preserve the game into the future after WotC shoots itself in the head for the final time.

>>1770 I like this in my Gale, Raised By Giants. Turning a bunch of 1/1 birds into 11/11s makes for fun game enders. Being able to cast it again either in the same turn or again next turn cycle if anyone is still up is a blus.

>>1781 That feels like what Foundations was trying to be, but the constant need to design a set around limited kind of shot it in the foot.

>>1364 >few days it's going to be few months realistically. from what i've seen hiro didn't bother updating anything ever since he bought the site from moot and the source code theft will only uncover more vulnerabilities.

Where did most of the /mtg/ crowd go?

>>1770 For me, it's 'Hoof >nooooooo it's too ez shut up whore

>>1798 For me, it's crackerhoof.

>>1765 I don't think Foundations is a problem by itself, and it is not a problem that it has to support limited either. The problem exists in what they are lying the foundations for: and endless supply of Universes Beyond that debases Magic as an IP, because they can't be bothered to afford time to develop"within universe" cards. For me after the space set gets released 2025 will be over.

>>>>>>>>remake design FUCK

>>1734 Kek

someone make a thread i don't need to share with coomander """players"""

>>1832 I think there already was? but now they suddenly got merged

>>1828 theyre really dialing in these designs at this point. so unbelievably uninspired and boring.

>>1839 For a commander card, I think its alright. Its a nice callback to hitting 777 in her slots limitbreak since you get 3 extra combat steps if you manage to hit 3 other players with power 7+

>>1832 I really do not see the point in having 2 separate MTG generals.

>>1846 it's like having a chess thread with both tournament players and people who run d&d campaigns using chess pieces as character representations

>>1832 >>1849 Be thankful you get this much activity, nerd.

>>1789 Oh shit I hadn't even seen this was a thing - that's how disconnected from current M:tG I've become. Yeah this looks exactly like what I'm talking about. Glad Wizards took my advice I never told them.

So did they really manage to powercreep motherfucking Mice with this shit?

>>1858 >t2 land, cast this, pass >mouse kills you because no board or mana up wooow

>>1863 try actually playing standard, arena is free if your lgs is shit

is standard alive yet

>>1885 I want to get back into Standard. All my friends are doing Commander, but I miss just running a 40-card deck with a theme and games not lasting over an hour.

>>1892 >40 >deck anon I..

Threads can be merged? <weirdge Are they going to free my boi this week?

I haven't played Magic Since Khans of Tarkir was in standard, is the new Tarkir set any good?

>>1917 no chance in h e double hockey sticks. his boi sylvan primo might tho

>>1919 New Tarkir was a mediocre attempt at chopping up Khans and Dragons then stitching them together. 15% of the cards are generic three-color filler, 70% of them are filler that rely on references to old Tarkir, 10% of them are redone versions of powerful cards from old Tarkir or other sets pushed even more than they already were, and the remaining 5% are either interesting cards or pushed cards that are at least somewhat unique.

>>1894 Poor guy hasn't played Standard in that long.

>>1858 This card is a multi format allstar but it doesnt share the same space as mice in Standard RDW. Its unitonically too slow to be in that deck.

>>1828 >if 7do a thing I really really don't like this shit. It's like the most surface level kind of shit they could have done. For Tifa I can kind of get it since it's trying to do Final Heaven, but fuck it's lame.

>>1917 >merged Oh, so that's what happened. That sucks. The formats are so different we may as well be playing completely different games.

>>1936 Perhaps the main set Tifa can be more unique, but the precon is built around >if 7 do thing anyway so theres not much room here.

>>1530 YJK

>>1781 >Create a sane eternal format that is quintessentially Magic with all the bullshit filed off As a longtime vintage/legacy fag, i can see the desire. Pre-modern is popular enough to warrant a revised eternal version. My personal preference is to keep legacy/vintage legal list as it has been for many years with a few exceptions: >all silver border/unglued type cards are banned >the companion mechanic is banned (cards can be played otherwise legally) >all IP unique cards are banned (unless they have a non-IP version already) The restricted/banned lists would have to diverge from the recent WOTC lists when all of the advertisements are removed. Going forward with the anticipated majority IP products would start a distinct format that still allows the occasional non-gay sets to change things up.

>>1939 Yeah I suppose it's fair if the theme is going to be "if seven do thing" that they all pretty much do that. I just don't know why they chose to make that be the theme. It seems like they go back and forth on if thees Universe Beyond sets are supposed to be simplistic for new players or mechanically interesting for flavor. Warhammer and Assassin's Creed being more simplistic with stuff like Fallout and Doctor Who being more varied mechanically. Guess Final Fantasy is going to be another simple one.

>want to cast something on the opponent's upkeep on mtgo i just set a stop to their upkeep, but how do you do this in paper magic without revealing it at my end step (like saying "pass, i will cast something on your upkeep) AND without being a jerk and forcing them to announce steps every turn? common use case for this: i want to boros charm my opponent and they have mana open for a counterspell, i cast it on their upkeep rather than my end phase to make them use their mana and before their draw to make them, say, discard a card they didn't want to with force of negation or make my spell resolve if they didn't have an answer before the draw

Post cards that did not age well

>>2119 I was thinking about this a couple months back but in a more complex situation where giving the info would actually make you lose the game but the idea is the same. you just have to stop them immediately when trying to do something, be it going to draw or trying to announce attackers. where this gets really bullshit is when the other player knows to try and force info out of you by touching their cards deck/creatures but not actually doing anything this is why I actually say "draw" out loud (yes, every time) so they can stop me there is this whole thing about one tournament where a guy said "go to attacks" and then called a judge because in his mind they already passed "beginning of combat" too. idk how to handle angleshooting like that without going through every step every time

>>2123 to correct myself. the tourney quote was "go to combat" not attacks and the other player thought that meant beginning of combat. this whole interaction lead to "combat" not shortcutting to attacks but to the beginning step

>>2119 >>2123 You do the first thing but word it differently, like "pass, hold on your upkeep." What specific situation can arise where your opponent knowing you have a priority hold in a particular phase could lose you the game?

>>2153 >pass, hold on your upkeep this gives it away i'm casting/activating something on their upkeep, so after i pass priority to them they can crack a fetch or use up that open mana in response at the end of my turn, untap and then still have mana to respond to my spell on their upkeep

>>2153 I hoped I didn't have to make an example but let's say the opponent has a mana sink but has to keep mana open for a counter. if you say pass and hold, they won't use the manasink at endstep now that they know you have an instant and tapping out would let you cast it. I know this is not EXACTLY what anon was saying but the idea of giving info and losing something is the same. the game is programmable so anything is possible

>Marvel's Spider-Man (as well as future Marvel sets) will not be coming to digital Magic platforms. Instead, we will release our first Through the Omenpaths set >Through the Omenpaths releases will be digital sets that are Universes Within versions of Universes Beyond sets that otherwise wouldn't be coming to digital Magic platforms. These digital cards will be mechanically identical to their Universes Beyond tabletop counterparts but with unique creative treatments, different art, and different names. how does it feel that arena will have magic versions of magic cards and paper players are left to eat the UB slop https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/through-the-omenpaths-and-digital-universes-beyond-updates

>>2168 I hope people make physical proxies of the Omenpaths cards

>>2169 knowing how cucked the magic community is you'll probably be barred from playing locals with omenpath proxies and forced to buy the "REAL" spiderman magic card

>>2168 I fear the Universes Within versions of Marvelslop will be lazy and soulless. The creative team is already stretched thin to uselessness, they WILL phone in an assignment if they can, and I fear making a UW version of an entire set will increase the damage UB has done to Magic, not lessen it. Just look at the Stranger Things cards. The UW versions are random Innistrad people with "Friends Forever" as a named mechanic. Am I supposed to believe that these random people are best buddies? Is Innistrad a place where people become friends forever?

>>2174 >Is Innistrad a place where people become friends forever? Yes, my face and Avacyn's ass being the main example.

>>2169 I know I will >>2174 that's not even the worst of it. I can already imagine the rules referencing spiderverse things like counters that cannot be changed as names can.. oh..

>>2119 This really shouldn't be an issue. Does your table not announce steps and attempts to move out of them as you play?

>>2168 Odd. I'm guessing this is some legal nonsense that is making this happen. Presumably something like they have the rights to paper cards but digital was a whole other deal. Wonder if this means we could get Universe Within stuff faster in paper.

>>2168 Holy shit, I am actually considering drafting the Spider Man set on arena now lol

>>2187 my guess would be that they'll reprint some of the chase cards in a modern master type product

>>2192 Hell, I hope so. There's a couple cards from those sets I wouldn't mind seeing getting the "Random Innistrad guy" treatment myself. Especially if it's actually an Innistrad guy. It doesn't seem like they're going to be going back and doing this for previous Universe Beyond stuff but going forward at least this is going to be a thing.

>>2192 reprint? lol no, they will print a powercrept version in a modern HORIZONS set ;)

Watch the Richard Garfield interview with the Tolarian Academy Professor

https://greta.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/poverty/1745051223 https://mi.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/news4vip/1744341867 >遊戯王は？ >あれはカードゲームって感じではなくオナニーの見せ合いだね

>>2186 >my table i play modern, not edh and no, not every player announces untap upkeep draw, but i don't to be the douche that forces them to

>>2168 >>2187 I've never used Arena so I could be completely wrong, but I assume the issue could've been that they agreed to only have a limited frame of time allocated to "publication" of these cards (i.e., only make them available when the set comes out), so the fact that you'd either still be able to purchase packs/use wild cards on the set after the time frame wouldn't have been allowed in their agreement. Would be kinda weird to only let them exist in paper. >>2192 They'll probably only ever reprint the staples for older formats.

>>2168 Weird and stupid, but whatever I guess

I made my first monogreen EDH deck and this is hell, do green doesn't have any instant interaction aside fighting (I don't have a lot of creatures) and beast withing? jesus I hate leaving everything to the rest of the table

>>2219 In mono-color things like that become more evident. You've got a lot of make-creature-indestructible instants which you can combine with a fight. But yeah, destroy creature instant effects are not really a thing in green.

>>2187 Maybe Disney doesn't want MtG Arena. to. Compete with Marvel Snap

>>2211 >i play modern, not edh If that's the case then I'd assume it should be more expected that people announce their steps. Either way, this isn't really an issue unique to this. Seems to be an issue in card games in general. Vagueness about when in what step. Not much for it but to just ask.

https://medium.com/@ari.nieh/how-we-fixed-white-a-case-study-in-niche-protection-balance-and-player-feedback-d374fe30e14d wotc made an article just for white schizo

>>2219 I've had some fun with mono green Omnath, but it can be rough. Green has a lot of enchantment and artifact removal which is a good plus, but it's going to only really have conditional creature removal which is unreliable at times. Who's the commander your building?

Dockside unban soon

>>2248 More likely Dockside powercreep soon

>>2209 >Richard Garfield he has to be rolling in his doctoral grave over the soulless cash grab it turned into

>>2243 about time

>Casting spells that oblierate entire planets is okay >Doing a heckin racism is banned Why would my wizard be okay with genocide but not with being prejudice?

>>2247 Nissa, resurgent animist, it's a combo deck with mostly land tutors and only the right combination of elves and elementals to avoid finding bad cards with Nissa's skill. Right now it works great, but staxy creatures (archivist of oghma, mindcensor, opposition agent...) make everything inceedibly clunky and slow.

>>2294 one is UB and warhammer is inherently xenophobic (racist)

>>2277 Actually he went there and shilled his newest cardgame. The guy probably doesnt care of MtG went big these days

>>1928 wtf i thought ugin being a gay sex pest was just a meme

I wish /tg/ was alive, I'd shitpost this down their throats so hard. Arena is getting universe within while paper gets UB Arenachads won

>>2348 And I, the most prominent arena poster has been vindicated. Alchemy cures RDW, Alchemy cures UB

>>2348 So there's just going to be stand-ins for all of the Spider Man characters?

>>2351 yes, with all the adored magic mechanics like symbiote and other spiderverse specific counters or what have you because you KNOW they won't make them ambiguous enough so they'd fit both versions

>>2354 this game is such a fucking mess i have no clue how wotc can unfuck this game 5-10 years from now without making every old mtg card not legal and starting over the same way pokemon did with their tcg

>>2357 WoTC did start over, that's why Arena exists

>>2348 >>2350 based

>>2357 >pokemon started over qrd?

SHE'S FREE!

I can't wait until 4chan is back and I no longer have to share a thread with disgusting Memeand*r vermins

>>2409 i'm not going back to that shithole if i can help it, i hope /tg/ here stays active

>>2409 I just want the threads split again. We're playing effectively two different games just with some of the same pieces.

>>2391 >not even a game changer it's fucking over

>>2460 She's not? I thought they said all the cards taken off the ban list were moved to game changers?

>>2391 unplayable tras- >remembers we share the general with casualmander tards

>>2467 oh, right. the other article didn't list them

>>2391 I'm glad they didn't unban the cards from the September ban. As things get worse and worse for standard and other formats, I might end up retooling my old commander deck instead of getting back into standard or modern. Never liked commander as a format, but unless landfall or insects are relevant archetypes in the next two sets, I'll have no reason to get back into standard or modern.

>>2481 same. I also am relieved to see only jew lot could see the light of day. altho I highly doubt it with braids now free

Gifts is a one card combo. How is this even remotely okay to unban?

>>2491 it's pretty crazy. the article said something about pre-game convo/rule 0 exposing anyone who has an infinite with it so the rest can use it as a political value fact or fiction. but then again the same article argues in favor of "dies to removal" for several other unbans while not applying it to others so I wouldn't give much credit to them knowing shit from fuck

>>2492 Yeah "turn 1 braids is okay because people know how dangerous she is nowadays" is a sentence we're supposed to take seriously from people who are supposed to manage this format as their job.

>>2495 the trick is to put a gun on the table when someone pulls out their (br)aids deck problem should solve itself

we all love the bracket system here right? new additions to the game changers and unbans today!

>>2481 I've been getting my 60 card fix from Pioneer. May not stay a refuge as aggro continues to be powercrept, but for now my beloved cat oven is still playable.

>>2492 >you have to reveal your deck and wincon before the match starts fucking joke of a format, imagine showing up to modern fnm and being required to tell people what you're running for that week

>>2511 open deck lists are a thing tho

>>2512 literally not a thing that happens IRL, i can sit for legacy fnm and scoop twice to my opponent comboing off on turn 1/2 and he'll never know what i was running unless i tell him

>>2507 There's nothing wrong with the idea of brackets, but the half assed implementation relies on vibes and table talk instead of making actual rules for people to follow.

>>2515 I play bracket 3 where the rules matter most and it feels great so much new deck variety and creativity expression

>>2513 losing just because there was no way to know what was coming seems highly abusable by combo decks that can morph into something else thanks to sideboards

>>2517 that's only relevant for game one and it goes both ways since your opponent doesn't know what you're playing either if you lost game one it follows that they have showed you their wincon, so you have the opportunity to mainboard in hate cards against their strategy

>>2518 yeah, unless you scoop to take that advantage like you said. anyway it's a different beast as cummander is a best of one joke format for joke cards and decks there is a reason for people to play different power levels

>>2516 >new How so?

>>2522 deck building restrictions means you arent playing optimal color good stuff

what the fuck happened to mtg in japan? how do you lose to something called "hololive OCG"?

>>2527 gooners, magic is an anti-goon game

>>2525 Fair enough. I've been adhering to bracket 1 rules on all of my decks for a similar reason, but also to bypass any gay "erm, akchully we don't allow that here" surprises.

>>2531 youre not gonna be able to get away with that the more it gets used the whole "my cedh deck is bracket 1 technically!" thing is really looked down on

>>2527 Modern magic cards are ugly and have ugly characters. There's basically zero "collectable" in this TCG.

>>2533 Then they should have rules that reflect that. I'm not building optimized B1 decks to stomp B1 tables, I'm building optimized B1 decks to stomp B2+ tables.

>>2536 youre just not engaging with the system if youre making a b2 deck then say its b2 the point of the system is to make a more tangible way to sit down and get people to be honest about their decks power level

>>2537 That's exactly what happens. I have no way of knowing who or how many people will show up, so I build my decks with the strictest set of rules to make sure I actually get to play. I build B1 decks, sit down at a B4 table, and dumpster everyone because it turns out the bracket system still needs a lot of work. Having access to "game changing" cards and two-card combos isn't actually that great when you don't run interaction and good color fixing. This is partially because the GC list is woefully inadequate, but also because powerful cards aren't a substitute for being good at the game. The competitive part of cEDH is literally a skill issue, especially when your LGS allows for (up to 5 at my store) reserved list proxies.

>>2539 again you are just not engaging with the system and coping by pointing out OTHER players who arent engaging with the system either new players will play 4 game changers in a precon and call it bracket 4 and then when you stomp them with a gamechanger-less cedh deck you act like its the systems fault youre being an asshole to new players who suck

>>2508 Pioneer seems like an interesting format, that one morph deck an anon was posting about seemed pretty cool and I loved running Deathmist Raptor back when standard was still fun. Unfortunately, the only places near me that still hold Magic events only run standard, modern, legacy and commander.

>nooooooo your deck is too strong!! remove the strong cards or else i'm not playing!!! behead edhniggers

>>2541 I'm not targeting new people. I have low power decks that I use to teach people to play and pull out for low power games, but they're "my low power decks" and not "my B1 decks" because the bracket system we currently have is a first draft at best. It needs serious work, and adding a few cards to the GC every few months isn't going to fix the core problems. We need each bracket to have it's own ban list, and/or thousands of cards added to the GC.

>atq factories are $50 goddamnit

>>2534 That's probably the main thing. What can probably be looked to as an interesting barometer of appeal and the lack of of it over there is the lack of fan art.

>>2578 It's a good measurement of popularity. The only mtg fan art I can think of offhand is the Thalia guy and the anon who gives women their boobs back.

>>2424 You need to develop a system to filter them, in the custom card thread I always skip a post if the card is legendary because I assume it's just a pet commander. Here when you read about bracket or rule 0 or pre-game you stop reading.

>>2549 yeah i teach new players, with modern and legacy burn welcome to the real world fuckers, your costco precon starter deck is not online by turn 3, YOU LOSE!!!!!!

>>2597 The weebshit stuff they posted over at xitter is probably the best engagement they've had for decades. Unless you count plebbit ofc.

I'm glad the Braids lovers are happy

As someone who last played during the second theros set, it's actually crazy how green went from war of the spark Nissa, Veil of Summer, and Questing beast to becoming the worst color.

RETVRN

Say, doesn't every creature have a spirit?

I'll protect your commander if you shoot me a photo of that bussy

Alright now why is the kamigawa block so full of coombait? Post some nezumi titties for old times sake.

>>2679 Would pedicure

Post the throat slither one...

>>2700 >Be proud samurai descended from the shogun. >Job to a rodent skank from the swamp.

>>2705 I'll let her shank me for sure...

I recognize a couple of posters here from /mtg/, it took me a while but I found you guys what are you playing at the moment? I shoved eshki and cori-steel cutter into a pioneer temur adventures pile and the deck works a lot better than I expected it's a shame I can't play the deck on MTGO because CSC is like 40 bucks lol

>>2718 Welcome back hombré. Brewing around with the precon Eshki. Contemplating retooling my Xenagos deck towards it. Xenagos has been feeling a little too much like "ramp hard, Xenagos, play a big fucker to kill someone", which is fine. But my pod got a lot better at interaction and I found chilling out until I have sufficient protection and can fling & power-double people to death to be a little monotone. I did brew around your pic's Eshki too. Adventures seem logical to more consistently hit her trigger. I brewed it with small support creatures, a few arguably higher-threat creatures than Eshki and the rest all cheap interaction and pre-combat tricks.

>>2725 Do the spell side of adventures proc her ability, or are you talking about using the spells to put 4+ power creatures on standby until you're ready?

>>2726 >Do the spell side of adventures proc her ability yes, she wants a creature and a noncreature, adventure creatures have both

>>1863 >implying this is cast without immediate followup

>>2706 Why don't she just crush his melon with her thighs?

>>2718 Went back to playing Sefris. Got a couple of upgrades to the land base and recently picked up a couple of game enders for her too. Always been a favorite of mine but the deck often had trouble ending games before. Starting to fix that. Also find myself going back to Odric a lot in between games with her. I like the value he gives all the cheap mana value creatures with varied keywords.

Yooo

^ too slow for real formats

>>2718 I've worked on a handful of decks I reworked niv mizzet parun into ghyrston starn cause im gonna make that irl as my first deck and I want something traditional and simple for bracket 3 to take to a shop I have the other eshki as an aggro deck and it is I think way too fast and strong to stay at bracket 3 and ive been working on a captain america sunforger tooblox list, its pretty fun

Don't bully me, I'll cum!

Hot zombie? What is the world coming to

>>2763 they ripped jade straight from MK

>my opponent opens the game with leyline of abundance + mana dork on turn 1, then he plays the 3 mana tyvar pw, which passively gives mana dorks pseudo-haste and can mill 3 to bring back a creature with cmc 2 or less, he mills devoted druid and pic related, plays a fetch for dryad arbor, taps and untaps druid for 4, taps dryad for another 2, he now nas enough mana to harmonize for x=2, finding vizier of remedies and get infinite mana with druid, then pumping his creatures infinitely with leyline of abundance not even mad to be honest, I've been combo'ed in modern on turn 2 but seeing this in action was nuts

graveyard order should matter again

>>2641 They moved away from efficient green creatures that have an immediate impact as soon as you play them (Hydroid Krasis, Questing Beast, Uro, etc.), extremely versatile creature protection and 2-mana land dump spells (i.e., Growth Spiral) in favor of green creatures that are above the curve with utility abilities. Also doesn't help that they normalized two-mana removal with little to no restrictions, including a removal spell that turns off hexproof and ward (i.e., Nowhere to Run), along with tons of powerful cards that bounce, exile or make you sacrifice instead of directly killing the creature. Most of them don't even run Snakeskin Veil, they just run out the green creatures and hope they can either stop aggro from winning turn 2 or 3, or they hope the utility the creatures offer will be enough to overcome control.

>land denial is feefeesbad >card denial is now game changer what's going next. nonland permanent denial? library denial (mill)?

The only redeeming quality of Farewell is that it forces people to learn to keep their hand reasonably stocked. I'd rather see a Worldfire without an instant win attached to it resolve, than a Farewell. Not like it's ever not cast targeting all modes.

>>2821 6 mana sorcery is too slow, standard and modern decks win by turn 4 or 5

>>1365 >Talking about MTG Arena You are hopeless anyways.

>>1365 >>2168 >>2187 >>2227 They were going to paint themselves into that legal corner sooner or later, especially with Disney since they are notorious for being super controlling over how their IP is used, just ask Capcom and Nintendo.

Artifact creatures don't, save for Karn.

>>2763 >Fully covered head-to-toe >From a faction that was inspired by ancient Thai stuff where everybody always had their midriffs showing You get satisfied with so little, anon.

>>2856 It's true, I imagine getting hugs from cards ;_;

>>2763 Zombies have always been hot though.

>With Tarkir: Dragonstorm and Magic: The Gathering—FINAL FANTASY on the horizon, it's going to be fascinating to watch the journey of this Standard format. I'm very excited to see what players do with these cards and what new decks and strategies emerge. >The only TDM cards seeing frequent play are Cori-Steel Cutter and Tersa Lightshatter (generic red spellslinger enablers), Glacial Dragonhunt and Winternight Stories (carddraw with better flashback), and the bounce Kirin, all cards that just slot into preexisting tier 1 and 2 decks >Most of the top decks don't use any new TDM cards, despite the set being released almost two weeks ago Maybe we'll start seeing some new archetypes this weekend...

>Final Fantasy is the game's best selling set of all time and it isnt even out yet. Welp

just remember. current set is the best selling set of all time

[spoiler]I love the goofy modern settings, and the romantic secret lairs

>>3092 >>3027 Out of curiosity I watched Rudy's latest video and he was really positive about how well magic is doing. It's clear that real magic is gone, if the market wants FF and Marvel, wotc will provide. I hope they fail, I'll be in my corner creating custom cards and sets. I am thinking about dumping everything that belongs to wotc and make "compatible cards".

>>3158 two of my oldfag friends actually sold their collections to big stores recently. I was shocked a little for it coming out of nowhere but so did UB so I get it. one said they didn't enjoy the constant releases of sets to keep up with and the other disliked all the non-magic sets making the game a funko product. to me the line is not there yet but with every UB set I can't help but think they are just making more reserved list cards

>>3092 Inflation pushed prices up since the last set came out, new all time high

>>3158 well obviously magic is dead if people are going to faggot investors and scalpers to then figure out whether or not the people who treat the game as stocks are doing well the next set won't have ANY precons and it will be the first set to cause standard and modern to be FOREVER separated due to the marvel universes beyond retardation, but the jews are making more money so uhhhh yeah the game is doing good :)

>>3197 >standard and modern standard/modern for paper and online

>el ratto gf tells me I can join Okiba gang >but I'm human so the initiation will be grueling >Greasefang herself beats the shit out of me while el ratto gf frigs herself wildly >Greasefang's ugly mug spits on me, "nezumi only" >el ratto gf cries out, "let's eat him!" >she's getting the promotion while I'm being tenderized The rat girls look at you with hungry eyes, don't trust that shit yo. Posting from a pie rn

>>3212 Feline hands typed this post. Rat girls just want love.

welp shit. it was fun while it lasted I guess see ya in a couple of years

>>2527 Magic has been going downhill for years. Of course it's going to lose against some with even a fragment of soul still invested in it.

>>3267 I'm still sticking around. Nothing's really going on in 4/mtg/ and I only really use the website for a couple general threads anyway.

>>3304 I left for a few days and come back to see that 4chan is back and this thread came to a screeching halt. I guess the majority of the thread really is consoomers who don't care about anything except getting their slop 15 seconds faster.

>>3442 >I guess the majority of the thread really is consoomers who don't care about anything except getting their slop 15 seconds faster. That's most of 4chan at this point. Not dealing with slop 24/7 outside /b/ was one of the few things I enjoyed about alt chans. Makes me miss all the websites I used to use that went down long ago...

>>3458 Yeah. This one is the only one I'm aware of that's worth a damn.

Anyone know what's the lore of his thing? I tried search BG legendary in kaldheim but don't know what got binded. Saruff? https://gatherer.wizards.com/search?setName=eq~Kaldheim~KHM&colors=eq~B_G&instanceSuperType=eq~Legendary What is this nerd doing here

>>3793 Apparently it's the The Seven Jaspera Trees from Skemfar. >Seven towering trees scattered across Skemfar's wide forests are said to be prisons where the Skoti imprisoned the surviving leaders of the Einir, setting them as a warning of what happens to those who challenge their divine authority. The entombed Einir are now one with the trees that bind them, and the elves revere the trees as if they were their ancient leaders. Each of the trees has unique magical properties based on the god imprisoned within; one produces fruit that can heal any illness and close any wound, another produces wood that can't be cut or broken (except when the god inside decides to give a branch to a worthy supplicant). Harald, king of the elves, claims to have received a vision of a united elf dynasty when he ate the fruit of a Jaspera tree and slept beneath its boughs.[