>>585 Lets start where it matters. The thunder warriors. In the few battles they had against Astartes they killed 5-7 space marines a piece before dying. They were superior warriors. The Emperor didnt make the best possible fighting dorce he could. He made a force just good enough for the threats to be faced, while also being weak enough tonbe defeated when they inevitably turned. The Heresy was foreseen. Just as planned.

But okay. Lets say it was all known to occur beforehand. So what. The primary actors did not know their roles. And so even in the macrocosm of it being a plan for God hood (as Horus claimed and was right.) it still took humans to act. And here is where the tragedy begins. It is trite at this point to say it started with Erebus or Lorgar, but this is still true nonetheless. Oh sure others were on a dark path before him, and it would have occured anyway as a politically driven civil war perhaps, but it was a HERESY. A religious war. And so we start truly with the Emperors first priest. Lorgar.

How did a man who loved the Emperor as his father and his only God betray the Emperor? What force turned love into hate? That Colchis had pockets of chaos worship is known, that Lorgar struck down these cults before joining the Imperium is also known. What is less known is what happened to some of these ex cultists. We turn our attention to one in particular. Erebus. Once a slave to the ruinous powers, always a slave. And so it was with Erebus, though he turned his cloak and claimed fealty to Lorgar, this was a deception. The Emperor's rebuke of Lorgar was a trigger not for betrayal, but for soul searching. His faith shattered he was vulnerable to the first Idealogue that showed up, and to his misfortune one was already in his retinue. And so fell Lorgar, to depths he never returned from. His people would say later that they did as their ethics dictated. The discovered the answer to Mans first mystery. What happens after you die? They found Gods and an afterlife to exist, and though horrified, could not turn away from this basic truth. And once damned, they appeared reconciled to there being no hope of redemption.

>>589 Ackshually Lorgar was always technically a Chaos cultist, he just thought that Big E was a Chaos God (not god). The one who I believe takes most of the blame, moreso than Erebus, is Kor Phaeron, the one who steered Lorgar on that dark path and somehow gained his loyalty as if he were his father. Those cults on Colchis werent struck down, most were confederated into Lorgar's own as he united the planet under Big E worship. This is all detailed in Lorgar's primarch book. There was soul searching done after the Monarchia incident but it was Kor Phaeron who he confided in. Erebus came afterwards and was more of a symptom than a cause, though he certainly did a lot of damage in his own way by forcing Horus into a position where he'd have to betray/kill that one sophisticated planet that was aware of the taint of Chaos. And also what he did to Argel Tal...

>>591 I got way too off topic. Um. Yeah. So next up the guy who got corrupted by the word bearers bullshit and our next Primarch on the chain to the Heresy. Its Horus time baby!

>>605 Horus is a big old bald retard. There summed up.

I was wondering why Fulgrim getting a new model wasn't getting any attention. Until I noticed that it only had rules for the horus heresy. Model looks pretty cool though.

>>830 He wasn't bald when he started though, he was just balding.

>>830 >>1030 Most modern art for Horus makes him look like a cross between Yul Brenner and Benito Mussolini, so I don't blame people for thinking of "bald" as the first trait that jumps out.

>>1098 It was the bitterness of being bald and ugly that made him turn evil. Many such cases.

I just wanna say on this dead board that 30k White Scars rule

>>1203 do they even have negative traits ? They are a bit too perfect for me, and no being insular isn't one. I like the 30k dark angels : competent, chad Corswain and Lion, have their own arcs. Too bad the authors had to give the NL plot armor to keep them out of the heresy