>>1029441 >Valkyria Chronicles 3 is an interesting one if you've beaten the first game or played the second. You know from their introduction Calamity Raven will actually be preventing their main goal from happening if their plans succeed, and only by ensuring their plans fail do you see their goal achieved. It's an amusing little detail that makes them a more interesting antagonist than just a band of mercs. Can you expand on this? I've played all the VC games but I'm not following the logic.

>>1029384 THere's an expansion?!

FEAR kinda. End of the game she is set free. At the end of the first expansion she blows up the entire town and kills everyone. Sure you survive and kill paxton but that barely does anything in the long run. Even if you want to include the sequels she gives birth and lets pointman have the antichrist child. Unless paxton wins but then its just a different villain winning.

>>1029674 I still cant see Alma as a villain, shes a victim of armacham if anything.

>>1029619 Yeah, I'm not seeing it either. Wasn't Calamity Raven's goal to use a massive Ragnite or Valkyrian (whatever, "Atomic") missile and use that in order to force the Empire and Federation to carve out a Darcsen home state? The Darcsen never got their Israel, though they were more accepted in Gallia due to the Royal family being a bunch of filthy darkhairs.

>>1029647 Yes, it comes with the developer's cut or the dragon saga editions. It's better than the base game imo, just not as funny iirc.

>>1029680 >>1029619 >though they were more accepted in Gallia due to the Royal family being a bunch of filthy darkhairs That's it. Them succeeding at breaking Gallia for the Empire would actually have had the the opposite effect of their dream. The reveal the Valkyria were bad people and the dark hairs the fall guys they would have stopped if they succeeded wouldn't have hurt acceptance outside of Gallia either. > Wasn't Calamity Raven's goal to use a massive Ragnite or Valkyrian (whatever, "Atomic") missile and use that in order to force the Empire and Federation to carve out a Darcsen home state? I think the ending was them planning to actually destroy Europa, not hold it hostage. That's why you're trying to prevent the thing from starting.

>>1029269 Exactly. The mismanagement of the Shenmue games (made even worse by the fact that Yu Suzuki was exposed basically a hack/ideas guy with no actual skills) ensured that the story will never be concluded. The villain did what he wanted, and the protagonist didn't get his revenge at all. And the funniest thing is that nobody knows what the deal was to any of it, since the plot wasn't explained, nor expanded. So, the guy came in, killed the protagonist's father for some vague revenge reason, went back to China, and that is it. The end.

>>1029679 The ends don't justify the means in this case. She killed a ton of innocents, including her half sister and father to get her revenge, she's just a minor villain compared to Armachan.

>>1030690 Didn't mean to imply Harlan was innocent Alma just killed a ton of people in gruesome ways, many who did and many that did not. She's a supernatural monster created by a corporate monster.

>>1030690 Its not like she has much of a clue of whats going on other than being dead, looking for her baby, and REALLY Angry, also, Harlan had it coming, hes the worst of them all.

>>1030692 >>1030693 Just a raging bull that got out of it's pen really.

Alma also didn't technically win, she was technically justified in her psychotic reaction to her circumstances but she still lost.

>>1030737 >Got her revenge >Armachan in shambles and their secrets discovered F.E.A.R 2 didn't happen, fuck that shit

>>1030736 >>1030737 She just wanted a hug man...

The Drakons in Geneforge manage to secure an independent state and a radical reform of shaper law even in the hardline shaper ending.

>>1031051 >Spidweb games Yo this anon FUCKS

>>1029680 Who cares. Just gimme Silveria and her giant tits tbh.

>>1029759 I mean, I'm not going to take a firm stance on it because I can't read nip and I'm just relying on an unpolished translation - but the way I read it, Calamity Raven only had access to one or a few of those weapons. They couldn't take out the whole of Europa, though those weapons were what was used in the Great Calamity which had destroyed Europa before. I can't really see Gusurg betraying your unit to join Calamity Raven if their goal was just to fuck everything up out of petty revenge. He was fighting for an ideal. So yeah, I wouldn't count VC3 as the villain getting what they wanted. Dahou was more of a Malcom X type motivation of just fucking off and making a Darcsen ethnostate since nobody else wanted them around - and he needed the power of the Valkyrie WMDs to ensure nobody fucked with them - Outer Heaven style. The actual ending to VC is more of a MLK type vision where Darcsen are accepted as equals in existing societies without prejudice. That's two pretty different goals. Also, there was some VC3 content in one of the animated series, but I never watched it - so I might be missing context. >>1031108 Sylvaria's giant titties are definitely nice, but she's too much of an ice queen bitch for my taste. Lydia would be a much better fuck because she's got that playful, mischevious personality, and would probably be slightly sadistic in bed. Blondes have more fun

>>1031344 They only decided to activate it when backed into a corner. Their initial plan was a Mount and Blade tier raise money/troops>make nation with acquired resources (theoretically possible but very difficult and likely to get them invaded by everyone even if they managed to take land). They only got the doomsday weapon after killing the pope for the key.

>>1031361 Right, but they weren't an independent group trying to conquer their own bit of land amid the chaos. They were working with the Empire, because the Empire promised them a homeland amid the conquered territories - which they'd then ship their Darcsen citizens to. It wasn't until after Maximillian was defeated in VC1, and the seemingly inevitable defeat of the Empire, that Dahou decided to betray the pope and take drastic measures to ensure the outcome he had been fighting for. Lydia was basically their handler to make sure they stayed in line.

>>1031344 >blondes have more fun Nah they don't. Most of the natural not airhead oens though I'm talking about women hue don' have fun. This is coming from someone who's mother & sister were natural blondes. were they dye their hair

>>1024930 >>1025128 What I think is interesting about Armstrong is even if he's a hypocrite he LOVES people like Raiden and Sam, especially Raiden. People who are strong, and are using their strength to get what they want. He truly believes what hes saying but maybe, at least thematically, its because of that hypocrisy that he loses. Raiden at the end says "he has his own war to fight" so I think that maybe Raiden takes on some of that ideology and evolves it into something better.

>>1032122 Raiden agreed with alot of Armstrong's ideology but couldn't agree with the methodology used by Armstrong. At the end of the game Raiden decides to apply Armstrong's ideology but with his own methods instead.

Oh, the absolute irony of the story in this fucking game in comparison to the Marxist religion that Ubishit is currently peddling.

>>1033353 That a ruthless killer realizes that he and his fellows have been manipulated by a self-serving religious leader into taking a dangerous artifact from another self-serving religious leader? I don't get it.

>>1033485 One being a globalist secret order that now runs the world is where I think he was coming from.

>>1033506 The IRL order is hardly secret.

>>1033353 >>1033485 >>1033506 Also the game's overarching narrative is downright wild when you sit back and analyze everything: >Be a simple Templar doing your job >Keeping Pilgrims and their money safe >A Muslim leader comes to you with talks of peace >Introduces you to a magical device that completely refutes your faiths and beliefs <Come to the realization that everything you know and understand about the world is a lie <Realize that all the wars your people and the enemy are fighting and killing each other over are pointless >Proceed to spread this knowledge to other leaders with the inttention of creating peace >Even get several of the enemy leaders on your side as they come to the same realization >Begin to make peace in the Middle East a reality <Suddenly your closest allies begin to start dropping like flies >Investigate the murders and discover that said Muslim man who introduced you to this revelation is behind it >Realize that his goal was to keep strife and conflicting happening in the Middle East for his own personal gain >Watch as the cities and settlements that were becoming peaceful and hospitable through your actions slowly decend into dens of theives, drunkards, and the mentally ill <Come to the reasonable conclusion that you continue with your plans of peace in the Middle East because that's the only way to end this pointless war >Manage to bring together the Christian and Muslim leaders for talks >Even convince the assassin who killed your friends that he is the villain all along <Still killed and labelled as a traitor because you lost a fucking duel "decided" by a God who doesn't exist >Conclude that whenever you deal with Assassins, you lose each and every time >1000 years pass <"But the Templars were REAL the villains all along." The Templars didn't do a single damn thing wrong!

>>1033552 >Even convince the assassin who killed your friends that he is the villain all along When did that happen? The first game is the only one i played, it was about ten years ago, and I don't remember this.

>>1033549 Do rich people actually care or buy Forbes?

>>1033657 The entire mission to assassinate Robert de Sablé is Altair realizing that he's been used the entire game to clean up Al Mualim's crimes.

>>1033660 Naw, thats what servants are for. They just read them on private jets.

>>1033549 Yeah but how many people pay attention to the Davos confrence in Switzerland?

>>1033552 I should really replay it as when I first did I was 15 and I was too busy stabbing to actually pay attention to the game. All the same the templars went from promoting peace to enforcing it with some sort of Anunnaki slave sphere.