>>1371864 I'm considering a full blown build, because all my past PCs were either prebuilds or office computers with nonstandard nonsense. Would like this next computer to be the most ATX tower box that can use basically everything within reason and budget. AM4 and AM5 are still pricey if you want the nice stuff like ECC, and LGA 1700 demands you disable boost clocks to prevent CPUs. And it's not like getting the cheapest LGA 1200 motherboard, a Xeon W-1290T and the Alpine 12 Passive is a buzzy build combination.

>>1372376 Okay. That still wouldn't mean you need some ridiculously expensive cooler. The current and last 2 amd cpu gens can be power limited to 65W for the 8 cores and less cpus, or 105W for the above 8 cores models and let you use cheaper air cooling with only ~5% performance loss. If you really get into cpu underclocking you can get the same power reduction with no performance loss.

>>1369464 Lmao!

>>1369549 Somebody thought the older cables were too bulky to run through the case since you usually need two, maybe more, crammed in with other bulky cables like the 24-pin, & thus wanted a single PSU cable for the video card. The idea to eliminate cable bulk is fine. They just didn't execute it well enough. Asus (& another company maybe) were even trying to put the GPU power connector onto the motherboard itself next to the PCI-E slot. Which is doomed to fail since only specific models from specific brands would even support it. The reverse-side motherboard connections idea may have a better chance of surviving though since it still uses existing connections, only re-positioned. Re-tooling PC cases to support reverse-side connectors is a much lower hurdle so long as the connections are in expected locations brand-to-brand.

Will there ever be a day I can open my browser and casually order a XX70/80/90 for roughly MSRP from a vendor and not some nigger on eBay, or is this just the faggy world we live in now forever?

>>1377529 This applies mostly in yurop I know US market is way more fucked so YMMV For 5070 you can find them below MSRP because reviewers decided to reviewbomb them, I've seen multiple times with decent stock at or below MSRP in several places. 5070ti I've seen a couple times at near MSRP with low stock, you probably are gonna have look around regularly in online stores (not the "normalfag central" ones obviously you're never getting a good deal off amazon / newegg etc) to find that. 5080 I've seen once, and there's already an anon in this thread that had a very near MSRP one, I'd say it's unlikely but not impossible 5090, keep fucking dreaming anon you ain't getting that anywhere near MSRP as long as AI is a thing. You can always get a RTX Pro at MSRP :^)

>>1378775 That's not what review bomb means.

>>1369464 >defending nVidia's behavior Kill yourself. No more articulated position need be presented.

>>1378798 It's still appropriate, every reviewer decided that the 5070 was shittier than it actually was (still kinda shit just not 5060ti 8GB / 5060 -tier shit), leading to people not buying it as much.

>>1377529 You can order a GTX 980 for MSRP right now. Yes, MSRP from 10 fucking years ago.

>>1378809 It's been reviewed fairly as 50-tier card being upnamed and sold as a 70.

>>1294748 There's not even a real need to buy a 4XXX series for gaming, only reason to get a 5090 is AI shid.

>>1380466 >There's not even a real need to buy a 4XXX series for gaming Sorry, gaytracing is mandatory now because niggerdevs don't want to spend time on normal light sources anymore

>>1377529 Not forever, but not in the near future either. Nvidia literally has not made enough dies for the demand that the market has, which when you have about 85%-90% market share means a complete collapse of supply. Even if the AI bubble pops tomorrow (it won't), you would still be looking at a minimum of 18 months for die orders from TSMC to make it through to board partners and then retailers. I don't have a crystal ball, but it IS very likely the bottom will fall out of the AI companies in the next 6-24 months in the absence of a major breakthrough. Remember, none of these companies are actually profitable, they merely attract investors with the promise of BECOMING profitable. depending on the type of industry, these investors can be patient to a certain extent, but the money will start drying up after a few years without any return. OpenAI kicked off the craze in 2022, and we have had 3 years of it being nothing more than a glorified search engine or stackoverflow regurgitator. Compared to 2024 investments are already slowing down in 2025 as well, so it is very reason able to expect 2026 to see a lot of these startups going tits up and Nvidias money printer starting to dry up. However, if a breakthrough does happen, the gaming GPU market is absolutely fucked for the next decade, minimum.

>>1372437 It took a good while of comparing specs, but I have managed to figure out where to reuse some parts to reduce cost. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x6yZDj >SSD, GPU, and case coming from office PC (the Antec VSK2000-U3 has literally the exact same hinge mechanism for the drive bays as some ThinkCentre and Optiplex SFF boxes, may replace front plastic bezel with something custom) >have considered drilling out 5.25" bay rivets, USB 2.0+ allegedly supplies enough bandwidth for Bluray discs >will get some form of adapter plate to make a Flex ATX power supply work with TFX, can find cheaper & more powerful alternatives from Enhance, SeaSonic, and FSP themselves. can potentially reuse older prebuilt PSU too, as its well within power tolerance >have got a good amount of SODIMM DDR4 from scrap laptops (8GB+) but not sure if any adapters work & are stable. >Motherboard and CPU still the most expensive parts >can ditch the idea of AM4 ECC and switch to an R7 4700GE + cheaper or free RAM + lower tier AM4 chipset >perhaps even the R5 4500 to maximize price while still getting at least 6 cores

>>1381708 >>have got a good amount of SODIMM DDR4 from scrap laptops (8GB+) but not sure if any adapters work & are stable. Adapters are literally the same price as decent DDR4 kits

>>1381109 There's barely a game worth playing with it improving anything.

>>1272602 >you are gonna see a lot of people going back to consoles. Console/Nintendie Switch, Xbox and PlayStation are dying a slow death. When's the last time you heard someone genuinely get excited for Xbox One or the PS5 2.0 with a slightly better GPU?

>want a XP retro system >decide on Core 2 quad + X48 + DDR3 for max performance >look around on ebay >absolute fucking joke-tier price on everything besides the CPU, still 50 bucks but tolerable for something that was $1300 on release >decide to look at already sold items just to get a feel of what people actually buy instead of what collectards try to sell them for >what I want sold for 20 bucks >click on it just to look >"you've bought this item" >pic rel >sold as for parts but the guy can't test himself so kinda mixedopinion after reading Sometimes I impress myself, not in a good way but still.

>>1381379 >Not forever, but not in the near future either. Demand is already slowing down. You can go on Microcenter and see tons of units in stock at prices closest to MSRP ($750 5070 ti's don't exist anymore, cheapest is $830, same shit for other models). The online retailers are following behind just at a slower pace. The overpriced models are always in stock on jewegg and the cheaper ones stay in stock for days. Whether MSRP is gonna happen is harder to say given that the situation with US tarrifs but I think as summer comes around unless there are some big game releases stock will not move off shelves; if that keeps up for several months prices will fall. I don't expect to see MSRP gpu's until Q4. >I don't have a crystal ball, but it IS very likely the bottom will fall out of the AI companies in the next 6-24 months in the absence of a major breakthrough. Remember, none of these companies are actually profitable, they merely attract investors with the promise of BECOMING profitable. I disagree, AI isn't going anywhere for a some time. Development might slow down but it already does a lot of what is wanted from it, like being the most jew compliant internet janitor that works for free. Not everything is about money, some things are about control and that is the primary purpose of A.I. When it comes to power the the jews are happy to spend the money, as an example Palantir is a money sink but yet it always has investors. >However, if a breakthrough does happen, the gaming GPU market is absolutely fucked for the next decade, minimum. Not gonna happen. The models are already so complex that creating new ones is often faster than repairing already trained ones. The hardware and associated costs of making and running the models is also ballooning while the tech industry is getting filled up with women, chinks, and street shittiers. If anything we will see a technological regression as formerly function systems break down without the necessary quality of people needed to maintain them.

Man if I didn't need a new GPU for work I wouldn't of bothered with a 5080.

>>1408710 >for work Anon, that's not even part of the discussion. Whenever you require something for your literal job, you get it and that's that. It's built in; no need for second-guessing or self-reflecting. Congrats on your relatively modern card. Hopefully it helps you do things you need to do faster and more efficiently, thereby making your life easier or earning you more income. Don't worry! This thread is for arguing, whining, bragging, and telling each other to kill themselves over PERSONAL purchases and preferred hardware setups. And, as we all know, everyone else's choice of RAM is utter shit except mine, because my RAM timing is superior and it doesn't have RGB lighting. Or it does, depending on the argument being had at the moment.

>>1409175 >because my RAM timing is superior >implying implications finding good OC ram for retro systems is an absolute pain For DDR1 it's absolutely painful, several ICs are really good but quality is extremely variable and getting stuff with good quality PCBs is way too expensive especially if you're going for 2x1GB, you can go back to Micron green sticks which will do some insane stuff but also like to die for no particular reason DDR2 is much simpler, Micron blows everyone else out of the water so fucking hard you'd have to be retarded to consider anything else DDR3 is fairly complex, Hynix has frequency with 4Gb MFR doing over 3000 no problem but latency is ass, Samsung has the best for overall perf but it's 1Gb Gdie so capacity is ass, but here comes the real trouble, if you're doing DDR3 on LGA775 then you can't use the high density stuff nor the recent stuff, and then you're back to Samsung but with 2GB Ddie or even stuff like Elpida BCSE because those do tight as fuck latency at low frequencies which you might have to stick with because over 1600 on some earlier chipsets is not easy, X48 though you're dong 2000 without too much trouble DDR4 is easy, it's Samsung 8Gb Bdie and the rest is cope because you can afford Samsung 8Gb Bdie, except maybe X99 where some micron sticks will do tight 2400/2666 which is about as much as you should expect on X99 without randomly dropping channels

>>1409175 >This thread is for arguing, whining, bragging, and telling each other to kill themselves over PERSONAL purchases and preferred hardware setups. Shadowboxing

>>1409260 What actual performance gains do you see from all that autism.

>>1409476 On older systems OCing actually nets you a good deal of performance, It's not rare to see + 50% without too much effort, RAM autism can be 20% on it's own depending on just what exactly you're starting from and going to.

>>1409260 How are you supposed to find samsung b-die ddr4? They sell to multiple companies and you can't see the the chips under the heat sinks.

>>1410348 Finding isn't too hard, it's finding good samsung Bdie for a not crazy price that's hard. Any kit with flat primary timings better than 3200 Mt/s C15 is Bdie (3200 14-14-14-34 for example), below that it can be Bdie so long as the primary timings are low and flat but it could be useless garbage too, usually typing 3200 C14 on ebay gets you result and if you're lucky it's not some turbocunt asking $200 for it. Or you can look up OEM samsung green stick in 8-16 GB that have a B at the end of the serial but those can be very shit (or you can be lucky ad find a 4000 C13 capable stick)

>>1410968 > end of the serial Forgot to say, the serial on the individual memory chips, not the one on the sticker.

As a person with a 2070 super right now who pretty much sticks to 1080p gaming (I'll prorbably get a 1440p monitor soon), should I upgrade to a MSI Shadow 3x 5070? I am not desperate to upgrade right now since most games I play aren't too demanding, but I have started to see some dips.

>>1418054 wait for the SUPER refresh

>>1418054 >5070 that's just a very expensive 4070Super: Very-slightly-more-Super Edition

>>1418309 It has way more OC potential however, but you're still on 12GB which is shit, the SUPER will have 18 most likely.

I can bake if anyone wants.

>>1418497 New thread.

>>1086108 test