Fuck ASUS. Trash brand

>>1418515 That's a Gigabyte board.

>>1418515 Literally all brands are equally trash, though I don't have any big MSI fuckups in mind, but they probably have one as big as the others.

Anyone got a 5080 like me?

>>1419583 5080 *super*? Right, anon, right!?

>>1419774 >>1419583 https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-5080-vs-AMD-RX-7900-XTX/4179vs4142 You're faggots lol

>>1418497 So AsRock and AMD are still saying nothing concrete as to why a combo of both means there's a high chance of either one dying, other than some Asrock PR Manager trying to weasel his ass from GamersNexus with "Update your BIOS" and "We'll communicate better". Love the confidence. Been sitting on both a Taichi X870E and a 9800X3D for close to three months, not risking it, seriously thinking on just trading it back to the store.

>>1419992 >unironically linking to userbenchmark Legendarily retarded post

>>1420034 Why would I pay $500-700 more for something that has worse performance in all the major categories?

>>1420053 Not a single person in this thread except for you started to talk about the 7900. I couldn't care less about what hardware you want to buy or own.

>>1420062 Yeah and? I'm not allowed to shit on the people who bought the 5080?

>>1420065 The guy that runs userbenchmark is notorious for being a complete fucking schizo that actively despises AMD. None of his benchmarks are reputable in the slightest. You're allowed to shit on whoever you want, just do it with sources that aren't tainted.

>>1420085 >SkyTech They're alright, but >Intel Ultra 9 285K >Nvidia RTX 5090 32GB Are you just aiming to just game or do some other stuff? Bit overkill to be honest and not like any of the latest games are even remotely optimized.

>>1420157 >can't play 4K games Meanwhile I'm playing old games at 1440p 60fps on a gtx 750 >tends to crash while making Unreal Engine 5 games Why are you using UE5? Do you want people to not be able to play your games?

>>1419583 It's coming this weekend. I'm going from a 3090 to 5080 only because I just can't beat the bots in buying the 5090. My 3090 just can't run some games at high enough frame rates at 4k so I think this would be a good stepping stone upgrade for me to use my 4k 240hz monitor until the 6090 comes out. I'm also due for a platform upgrade so it'll be a fun time to shop in 2 years.

>>1420157 It's pretty solid, I'd recommend a Ryzen 9 9950X , but there's been issues with them. If you got the budget, go for it, Just ask them about the warranty details and such. You might want to ask them what brand they're using for the GPU, PSU and NVME Drive, 5090 and all with the melting cables and shit.

>>1420226 >>1420256 I got a 9950x during nog Friday and it's a fucking excellent CPU for gaming/content creation. The 3D version I wish I had but that came out several months after I got my 9950x.

>>1419992 >Nigger actually linked userbenchmark Are you low IQ?

>>1420026 The issue is AMD has shat the bed, ASrock merely followed their guidelines which results in dead CPUs others went more conservative with AMDs guideline since the same shit happened already with SOC voltages (aka "trust me bro 1.4v SOC is fine, oh wait it isn't lol".

>>1420085 As per usual prebuilts are bad unless you're completely unwilling to build it yourself https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XjBYzP I went completely overkill in almost every possible way, still came $400-800 under and have more / better RAM, a better SSD, a better mobo, a better case and a better PSU (probably also a better AiO dunno what they're rolling with). I generally wouldn't really advise the 285k unless you're doing more than gaming, it's kinda good at it but unless you dial in a good OC by hand for it the 9950X3D will kill it on the other hand if you're doing properly multithreaded stuff the 285k is a monster and nothing short of threadripper will touch it.

My 3060 fans are so fucking loud when I play games that are a bit demanding.

>>1420085 Don't get anything with intel anon as that company hasn't made anything good since 12th gen.

>>1420953 Then tune the fan curve and undervolt

So der8auer got a RTX Pro 6000 Blackwell and while it's not a gaming card, he make an interesting observation regarding how cut down the 50 series is. https://yewtu.be/o21CDqlCSps?t=2

>>1424299 So the same as every gen? Better binned GPUs go to workstation/data center cards. It's always been this way, Vidya GPUs are the dregs that are left over

>>1424299 People already caught on super early and started making comparisons during the 4000 series. 5000 just solidified it.

>>1436999 That second image is so damning. I'm still so happy with my GTX 980.

>>1427828 Fermi and Kepler are exceptions, the Gtx 580 and 780 ti are the full GPUs. The bullshit started with Maxwell with the 980 ti being slightly cutdown.

>>1437182 The reason being enterprise are willing to pay a lot for full dies and wafer prices went exponential after 28nm coupled with higher defect rates on bigger dies.

>>1424299 Cutting down dies and corners has been the NVIDIA MO for the last decade now when it came to consumer grade GPU's, if RTX 6000 is even announced, it might be their final generation of consumer grade GPU's before they pivot into the data center business completely and basically go radio silent, like IBM had done.

>>1437777 Do their quarterly earnings reports break down revenue by category? Do we know how much of their business is selling the cards consumers can afford–and TO consumers?

What are the best looking motherboards nowadays?

>>1437777 >it might be their final generation of consumer grade GPU's before they pivot into the data center business completely That's not how it works anon. If silicon manufacturing was perfect then yes, but not all chips come out perfect which is why cut down versions of chips exist. For example, 5070 ti doesn't exist just for fun but because 5080 chips don't all come out right so some parts are lasered off and the cut down version is sold AI companies don't want xx60 and xx70 class silicon but due to the consequence of the production process that will always exist. Nvidia won't leave the commercial sector because that's where they can sell the trimmings off of the bigger chips, they just want to charge 1K+ for a xx60 silicon. They expect us to pay gold for scarps.

>>1438117 Do you often look at your motherboard? Who cares. Get the one with the ports you need.

>>1438117 that's highly subjective. >>1437812 nvidia's gaming business was roughly 17% of total revenue last year, it's expected to be less this year. >>1420740 this Cache is very voltage sensitive and AMD is putting out bad guidance in an attempt to push the clock speeds higher than they should to make the x3d chips look better

>>1424299 They won't give up on consumer. What they will do from the rumor mills is allocate all TSMC to AI and datacenter and consumer gets a cheaper node, either Intel or Samsung.

Oh right, happy June, everyone.

>>1420226 >I just can't beat the bots in buying the 5090 That's still happening? Thank god I got that shit over with. The video drivers for Blackwell are still shit though. At first it seemed fine, but later after getting some occasional black screens it gets old fast. Nvidia's driver team must have been infested with jeets or something. I don't see how else that incompetence can persist across multiple driver releases at this point when they were fairly solid in the past. I even looked for VBIOS updates, but MSI didn't appear to have any.

>>1439672 I doubt that, you can't just put a micro-architecture on another node without any changes, they would have to sink quite a bit of money in to R&D to make that happen and from how little they seem to care about their gaming division I don't see them doing that. The whole reason nvidia drivers are a joke now is because they moved all their senior dev staff out of the gaming division and over to AI development, if they aren't even willing to keep qualified staff around to have functional drivers I doubt they are gonna allocate manpower to adapt the current architecture to be usable on another node

>>1420226 if you want it that bad just drive out to a microcenter, they are plenty in stock at multiple locations.

>>1438117 Any motherboard with a 2-digit debug LED. There's not enough motherboards with this troubleshooting feature.

>>1439815 Thing is it's basically useless on AMD since it basically doesn't narrow things down any more than regular old debug LEDs, on intel you can narrow down what exactly went wrong a lot more, or at least that was the case on 12th gen and prior, besides you can buy those things as standalone if you really want.

>>1440357 Believe it or not it's all fixable though 3 will require insane patience, 4 might have straight up missing pins so it's pretty much gonna need to have a new socket soldered in if that is the case, 5 probably does need a new socket too unless you're willing to spend days unbending pins and that's if the guy who niggered the socket didn't fuck up everything else.

>>1440332 We can fix it. We have the techniglogy.

>>1440332 >1-2 >Oh, that's not that bad >3-4 >Yikes, that's gonna need some work >5

>>1440785 It's funny how that because a popular reaction image, it could be used for the guy's own art. The artist is zombiecat, go look up his work.

*that became

9600X is on a pretty steep sale for me today. Any reason not to upgrade to it from my 4th gen intel CPU after over a decade of procrastination?

>>1445823 I'd get a 7700 over a 9600X

>>1445896 The 7700 is $100 more than the 9600X right now.

>>1445902 Aliexpress has the 7700 @ 170 bucks whereas the 9600X is more like 190

>>1445911 Not really inclined to buy from aliexpress since they tend to lack manufacturer warranties and such.

I fell for the 9070xt marketing any AAA game released in 2024 and after works fine any other game suffers 0fps rapestutters, with some exceptions I've never seen BDO so smooth in my life, but somehow Reynatis, a game that would probably run on a PS2 unironically, is basically unplayable somehow it feels like the less demanding the game is the more it stutters there's no shot this can be caused by a CPU or RAM speed bottleneck, right? I pop my 2070 back in and the issue disappears so it has to just be shitty AMD drivers causing it?

>>1448173 >tfw also have a 2070 and wanted to upgrade to the 9070XT >AMD cards having issues with older games >RTX 5000 series is a joke and raped PhysX for older games >Both AMD and NVIDIA think it's okay to release a GPU with only 8GB of VRAM in CY+10 It's just a bad time to buy a graphics card. Also what CPU are you using just out of curiosity? Also what's the consensus on Intel's foray into the GPU space? I hate their processors, but I'm willing to support anything that fucks up with this duopoly of anemic cards.

>>1448494 7090 xtx has 24 gbs of vram and I'm getting it very soon

>>1448173 Wait wait wait. You DID uninstall graphics drivers properly before you actually installed your 9070xt right?

>>1449035 Uninstalling drivers is a meme and not reliable at all. Fresh installing of the OS should be done.

>>1449167 Retard

>>1449167 DDU is a thing. Should be done on every GPU change.

>>1449035 I've done everything and anything you can think of. At one point I was messing with CPU cycle timings and changing my RAM timings one by one. DDU and fresh windows reinstall goes without saying. The only things I haven't tried are: >replace CPU/MOBO/RAM >install W11 >install Linux (probably doing this next at some point) one reason I've given up was coming across this thread https://community.amd.com/t5/pc-graphics/rx-9070-xt-fps-drops-in-various-games-lots-of-gpu-copy/m-p/752251 bunch of guys with the same issues and no solution or acknowledgement from AMD >>1448494 It's been a bad time to buy a GPU for half a decade now. the CPU is a 5600x

What would you do for an RTX 5090, Anon? >>1366034 I used Hunyuan via Framepack instead of WAN, but I finally got a cleaner video for this.

>>1449904 Their voices sound like deaf people who are trying to learn how to speak

>>1449925 They're fine considering local AI audio tools lag behind the walled garden shit like elevenlabs. Japanese voices were used to generate English speech. In a way, it's like side-stepping the cancerous gatekeeping clique of English anime-dubbers who openly hate the audience, since AI can simply use Japanese voices for English.

>>1449925 They sound like astoundingly accurate renditions of your average anime burgerfat V"""""A""""""s

>>1449568 DDU is not 100% reliable and is exactly what I'm referencing when talking about uninstalling GPU drivers. A fresh OS install is always going to be best.

>>1449925 Well, that's basically how algorithms do it.

>>1449904 >picrel nothing, I don't want a fire hazard that needs 600 watts anywhere near my rig

>>1418497 Is there a difference in performance if I transfer the games I have to a newly installed SSD that isn't the main one?

>>1451116 Storage mediums don't typically impact game performance, usually only loading speeds. There are some edge cases where they can impact performance, but the differences even between the most expensive SSD's and the worst are imperceptible for gaming. So no, you can run games off of a secondary SSD just fine.

>>1451135 Awesome. My PC has a 500gb SSD and I was running out of space so I installed a new 1tb one. So I was worried cause it takes everything in it to run Monster Hunter Wilds. My intention is to send all the games to the 1tb space and keep the 500gb for stuff work-related and the like.

>>1451116 >>1451135 >>1451155 No you need to buy a PS5 SSD, all your games will run at -30 FPS otherwise. The power of the SSD cannot be understated

>>1449035 Based on him saying he just popped his 2070 back in, I think there's a pretty good chance that he didn't lol

The long con in bar chart form. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD3CAPErRa4 Already starting to look forward to next-gen gaslighting about console specs not mattering until they do.

>>1451116 >newly installed SSD that isn't the main one "main" doesn't matter, only the specs (and the bus) >>1451135 >Storage mediums don't typically impact game performance, usually only loading speeds. not in itself, but if you end up with games constantly streaming shit you'll be stuck in a loop of never having everything loaded, dragging performance down.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/cyDKLc Any criticisms or input? The only thing I'm iffy on is the S300 case versus something like a Lian Li A4-H20. The S300 can only fit 305mm GPU's and the nicer model Sapphire 9070 XT's are bigger than that, but there is a Gigabyte 9070 XT that fits. The Lian Li case is 3L larger which is wasted since I'm avoiding liquid AIO cooling because I'm paranoid about it eventually leaking. I originally had an 850W PSU but the reviews on it said it was really noisy and had stability issues so I swapped down to the 750W version that seems more reliable. For the foreseeable future I'm just going to have my 6750 XT, but want to account for GPU upgrades.

>>1460106 There's a 6000 CL30 RAM kit that's not much more expensive, get that instead.

>>1460288 $40 more doesn't really seem like it would be worth it for slightly faster ram.

>>1460296 5% total build cost for 10% perf and way more OC potential, it's worth it.

>>1460314 10% perf under which circumstances though? If I'm running a game at 100 fps am I going to see 105-110 fps on average with better ram?

>>1460332 Maybe not but you'll notice the increase in perf overall through load times and other non gaming related tasks, and 1% lows / 0.1% lows being better is also something you will notice.

I conducted more tests with the Windows NT 4.0 for Wii homebrew application. At this point, running 3D games appears unrealistic. Many games I tried failed with errors such as missing DLLs, access violations, missing ordinals, machine type mismatches, illegal instructions, or general application failures. The DirectX 5 patch with DirectDraw 7 & Direct3D 7 can only do so much with the Wii's reported 77MB of RAM. Imagine trying all of this with Windows NT 4.0 for the Gamecube, it only has 43MB of RAM On the bright side, Mario Teaches Typing 2 works flawlessly as long as the display's color palette is set to 256 colors. Now it can join the original Mario Teaches Typing game & Mario's FUNdamentals & make the set of the Mario PC games playable on the Wii. Technically all of them could already run on Dosbox for the Wii, but that program hasn't seen an update since 2021 & that doesn't run on bare metal like the WinNT 4.0 conversion does. I had also hoped that Starcraft could run since it installed without any error messages. However, it consistently crashes to the desktop, regardless of whether I try single-player or multiplayer mode. I suspect the fault lies on how the game handles video playback because it would crash after the Blizzard logo. Interestingly, the Starcraft Campaign Editor runs without crashing, which only makes the game's potential compatibilities frustrating. It would've been neat to go full circle from the N64 port of Starcraft to the original PC game running on the Nintendo Wii. Cosmology of Kyoto also ran without issues as long as the display color palette was also 256 colors. Beyond games, newer versions of software running on Windows NT for Wii were found. Through the tedious work of searching the internet for those particular versions, copying them to the Wii, & then finally finding out if they work through the process of elimination, I made note of the versions that didn't throw a single error message. Here are some of those compatible programs. <VLC media player 5.0.0 (This is a typo, it was meant to say VLC Media Player 0.5.0) >VLC media player 0.5.1 >Audacity 1.2.6 >No$ emulators (NES games in particular were more tolerable than Nesticle. Super Mario Kart for the SNES loaded but with choppy framerates. Even if emulation won't be smooth sailing, it's impressive they work considering they were made fairly recent-ish.) >Foxit Reader v1.3.0104 (Lighter PDF reader than Adobe Acrobat Reader. No guarantee any PDF you find now on the internet will be compatible with it, and even if it was, the 640x480 resolution makes for awkward viewing.) Some programs may not work at first because their setup installers are designed specifically for Windows 95 or the IA-32 version of NT 4.0. If the installer detects a different operating system—such as the PowerPC version of NT 4.0, even when using SoftWindow32—it will refuse to run. However, there is a possible workaround: if you have Wine installed on your Linux distro, you can usually install these programs there, as Wine typically passes the operating system detection. After installing, you can copy the program’s installed folder to the Wii and launch the program directly from its executable. This method sometimes allows you to bypass installer restrictions, though the programs won’t appear on the Start Menu so you'll have to add them there manually. However, it doesn’t always work—some programs may still require the original CD-ROM or display error messages that prevent them from running. As an example, the 32-bit version of Netscape Communicator 4.80 became compatible by using this workaround. With it, I could read the full names of HTML files & avoid the 8-character filename limit of the 16-bit versions, which makes searching for specific files much easier. Adobe Photoshop 5.5 also works with this method. For fonts on both the desktop and HTML pages, I use Tahoma since it's the default for 2000 & XP. However, it is not included by default after installing NT on the Wii, so you will need to obtain it & copy it over to the console. After that, it's just a matter of tweaking. TL;DR Windows NT 4.0 on the Wii continues to surprise!

>>1449904 >>1449974 With one level higher in quality it would make a compelling case for not employing an english voice actor ever again

>>1452482 Thanks too. I've been reinstalling my games in the new one.

>>1461561 My Wii malfunctioned a while back and no fixer seems to exist in my town. How feasible is the Wii Emulator in a Windows instead? Like could I somehow plug in the Sensor Bar and use the controllers? My father likes Wii games

>>1462152 >Like could I somehow plug in the Sensor Bar You can replace the bar with two (2) candles

>>1462152 >Wii malfunctioned What's the problem? >How feasible is the Wii Emulator in Windows? Depends on the games you want to play. Some games like Mario Kart: Double Dash will play fine on a Haswell PC while other games like F-Zero GX want more than Haswell. This is assuming you play the games at native resolution as opposer to upscaling them. Check the compatibility list here: https://dolphin-emu.org/compat/ And the little list of games that don't need a high CPU: https://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-list-games-that-do-not-need-a-high-end-cpu-to-emulate >Like could I somehow plug in the Sensor Bar and use the controllers? Yes, the Mayflash Dolphinbar is one of those USB sensor bars that connects your Wii controllers via bluetooth & works like the original sensor bar with it detecting wagglan motions from your remotes. You could already pair the remotes via bluetooth to your PC if you don't have the sensor bar, but it would only function as a regular wireless ganepad which is not a problem if you're emulating NES & GB/GBC games or using the Wii Guitar Hero controller for Clone Hero.

>>1462585 >What's the problem? I'm not sure. It just doesn't turn on. It isn't like it dropped or anything, I went to another city to study university but when I came back it wasn't working

>>1462611 Do you remember if you enabled WiiConnect24 on your Wii? The standby power light would be yellow instead of red to indicate that. If you did leave WiiConnect24 on, then the console technically isn't fully powered off, as it was still running its wireless connections in the background from the network card in the motherboard, without the cooling fan to dissipate the heat buildup. Even with the online service shut down, it would still continue to run and look for anything to grab and download to the Wii. There could also have been a power surge that caused your console to remain powered off. Try unplugging the AC adapter from both ends, wait a couple of minutes before plugging it back in, and wait another couple of minutes to see if the red light appears. You can also hold down the power button for 30–45 seconds to drain the residual energy the Wii has before plugging it in. I don't think the Wii is at the age of leaking capacitors, but if it does work and the display looks noticeably dimmer than usual, they're the reason why. Again, I don't think the caps are the problem since there's not a lot of discussion about them as of this time of writing. If the Wii has been successfully revived, turn off WiiConnect24 so that it doesn't overheat when you're not using it.

>>1462585 >the original sensor bar with it detecting wagglan motions from your remotes the "sensor" bar detects squat-diddly it's just two infra-red LEDs by which the wiimote determines it being moved and in what direction

Hey people, I'm gonna make a new build soon, so a few things if anyone knows, and from the get go, I'd say I appreciate any useful feedback you give me. First of, I've been out of the loop, so any recommendations for best bang for buck on the current gen AMD cards? Second, whats the deal with Radeon graphics on AMD processors, can they handle gaming on their own? is it something like use shared resources from the motherboard? And third, what about crossfire technology? Lets say if get two cheap range/old cards could they get up to the task a single pretty beefy card? Reason why I'm asking this, for some context, is because I have a Radeon RX 570 Series, and I remember it was mid range and probably pretty old by now, however, when I had to migrate a while back from fairly older i7 to the Ryzen 5 I have currently, and the thing there was quite a large improvement in gaming performance, and specifically graphical performance. And even today this setup is able to handle most things, even if sometimes I need to tune down a bit on quality, but the thing is it really had quite a large leap and I always thought it had something to do with the processor graphics compatibility or something.

>>1482915 >First of, I've been out of the loop, so any recommendations for best bang for buck on the current gen AMD cards? Currently the 9060XT 16GB isn't too stupidly priced, the 9070/9070XT are coming down in price so if you can grab those for 600-650 ish they're a decent enough deal. >Second, whats the deal with Radeon graphics on AMD processors, can they handle gaming on their own? Nope, they're way to weak to do much beyond displaying a desktop and video decoding / encoding. >And third, what about crossfire technology? Dead, forget about it.

>>1482920 noted, what about something in the 400$, 600 feels like more than everything else in the PC combined also I'm probably gonna get something used, so availability may be limited, but easier on the budget

>>1482946 9060XT 16GB should be just around 400 I honestly wouldn't go secondhand for AMD GPUs, the previous gens are just significantly worse overall and even secondhand will not be a better value than a brand new 9060XT (Prices are kind of fucked overall) You also have to account for the fact that 6XXX / 7XXX cards are gonna age like milk now that mandatory RT is becoming more common.

>>1482968 whats the fucking deal with AMD series pattern btw? the 9XXX just indicates the current series of cards?

>>1482991 Yeah pretty much, they skipped 8XXX because those are the names for the big IGPs in their top of the line APUs.

I'm stunned my 5080 hasn't melted.

>>1483015 And the didn't name it 9X00 because radeon l 9500- 9800 were a thing atleast what I think

>>1448173 AMD and ATI never had the perfect track record with drivers. While their track record monumentally improved over the years. and so did their cards, ati rage cards aren't popular choice even now for vintage computing It has a habit of dipping in and out of the quality. I'd wait and try out later and reinstall the graphics card later. Unless you sold it which makes you even a bigger dumbass. It can also be an issue with processor and graphics card and motherboard not supporting pci-e 5.0, from what I've read.

>>1506591 Give it a year

Do you have a Micro Center nearby to get your parts?

What's a current list of good USB wifi dongles for Linux desktops?

Why haven't you bought a Ploopy Knob yet? https://www.tomshardware.com/peripherals/this-usd37-tactile-dial-for-pcs-supercharges-your-scrolling-with-incredible-0-043-mm-precision-ploopy-knob-is-a-3d-printed-open-source-project-you-can-also-make-on-your-own https://archive.ph/htyH9 >How precise is the Ploopy Knob? On the firm’s blog, it is revealed that the sensor behind this device is the “formidable AS5600” position sensor. This offers 12 bits of position resolution, detecting rotational changes as small as one-tenth of a degree. In other words, it can detect your knob spinning even if you nudge it just 0.043 millimeters, or 0.00169291-inches. You're not scrolling with the best! You can't game like a Pro Gamer™ without a Ploopy Knob! Yes, it's a forty dollar standalone scroll wheel. Yes, this is the actual fucking name.

>>1521015 I am glad I know enough to DIY something like this

>>1509425 >>USB >>WiFi Do yourself a favor and get a pci-e 1x to m.2 a+e key adapter and any intel wifi card. For what you'd spend on a good USB adapter, you can get much better support and the chipset won't overheat.

>>1521015 Ploopy knob sounds like British slang for shitdick.

>>1521015 Ploopy has been making a variety of DIY product kits for a while. They even made a kit for DIY headphones. If I knew how to solder components and 3D print, I'd easily get one of their kits (or just the required PCBs and other tiny components).

Prices are crazy. Even with midrange stuff like 5060 ti the price is still over $1500 for full setup. Is $1000 entry level now?

Hardware Unboxed: 9070 XT massive improvement in some games with latest drivers compared to review drivers in 1440p. 4K gets improvements, but not as big. Best part is no performance has regressed, but in some games, some performance regressed on the 5070 Ti when using the latest drivers compared to the review ones. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWfMibZ8t00

>>1521946 What did he mean by this?

>>1506591 >>1508713 My 5090 is generating AI smut most the day so it'll probably die sooner.

>>1524106 Those are only about 100 dollars less than the GPU mentioned. And Nvidia is better and does more. The point still stands.

>>1525339 >Nvidia is better and does more

What would Anon's dream GPU for the modern age look like? I would >64GB GDDR7 VRAM@512bit >no tensor core faggotry or dedicated RT circuitry >enough Vulkan to ZLUDA if you really want that AI smut, but expect it to be slow as shit >VGA out for CRT support >HDMI 2.2 with all features supported regardless of what the HDMI Forum deems permissible for the open sores community >driver-level PhsyX support >multi-GPU AFR support that doesn't require application-specific profiles >plugs straight into an A/C unit for cooling >4:1 FP32/FP64 ratio >driver-level glide, S3D, Speedy3D/RRedline support >open source drivers for GNU/Linux, AmigaOS, Haiku, *BSD, FagOS and Windows 7 but not Windows 10/11

>>1525446 you retarded?

I'm building a new setup and currently picking a monitor. Is 240Hz a meme? Which brands are decent? Should I bother with 4k vs 2k?

>>1531528 I honestly can't see how it wouldn't be a meme It's solely to sell $3,000 graphics cards, as they're the only ones that can run slightly old games at those framerates. You'll only ever actually get 240 on games 7 years older or more (we're talking with full settings otherwise), and even then I'm probably being generous with the timing. Do you have a store anywhere near you that isn't run by mental defectives and actually has monitors set up to display content at different native resolutions? Have you visually seen 120 gameplay vs 240 gameplay? Try to find these things out before you drop a thousand dollars on something you didn't need and couldn't see. Also resolution, aside from just trying to sell you $3,000 graphics cards, does depend on the type of games you play. If it's a shared work computer, get a large resolution no matter what. If it's exclusively for gaming, let your games dictate what it should be. I have a single panel 5120x1440 display, and I love it. But I play things like Paradox games, RimWorld, KSP, Forza… games where having a big, wide view is extremely useful to the gameplay itself. If you're sticking with 16:9, just know that pumping more pixels is only going to tank your framerate since GPU hardware hasn't bothered keeping pace with software complexity. More specifically, it's the other way around. Devs do fucking nothing to optimize their code (so games run like shit), and their parent companies are in bed with ATI and nVidia to produce games that purposely can't run on existing cards, tricking people to buy newer ones. Again, go to a store staffed by people who aren't retards, where displays are in place to show the difference between products. Are you already accustomed to retina displays (that is, ones where the UI is shown at a 1:4 pixel ratio? Or are you still used to "standard resolution" UI? If the latter, you probably don't need a doubling.

>>1531528 >>1531646 Don't forget the one(1) true and honest REAL purpose of 240hz displays from an Anon perspective: Emulating games with CRT filters in combination with sub-frame beam racing/scanning shaders. I'm curious as to what the performance impact on a mid-tier card like a 9060XT would be since the shader technically reduces the content frame rate to 60 fps by rendering parts of the same image multiple times to simulate CRT beam scanning.

>>1526395 >>1525339 >(1) Nvidia made some good shit. But their latest gen stuff isn't the best anon. Stop samefagging and acceot that nvidia is shit

>>1531528 >Is 240Hz a meme? Not really, especially if you have a good rig, a lower resolution monitor and play older games.

>>1531646 Half of it is me building a rig with RTX 5080 and mostly playing older games anyway. One friend of mine swears by 240Hz, but a few others consider it not worth the price. Ultimately I want to set up dual 16:9 monitors for work and general multitasking, but that's still a year or so away. >>1532336 Can you elaborate on that? Should I get a 4080 Super instead of 5080 provided they're about the same price?

>>1532392 There is very diffrences in performance between 4080 and 5080. But I didn't look much into nvidia pitside of the latest generational leap being very minor compared to the previous ones.

>>1532336 Do you even know what samefag means, retard? Oh, of course you don't, you were born in the '10s and learned everything you know from r/greentext.

>>1532422 Hmm yes saar he is very retarded indeed doesn't know words he says only buzzwords saar you are so smart and have a big cock

>>1532440 Thank you Rajneesh, you're one of the good poos. You'll be spared on the day of the great flush.

>>1532422 >>1532440 >>1532447 Lol

>>1531528 Get 4K if you enjoy reading text often. 1440p or 1080p is still good enough for gaming (as long as it's 144Hz or more and has Freesync). Don't be tempted to buying an OLED monitor since they have their own problems: >Burn-in risk >Variable Refresh Rate (VRR) flicker >Subpixel layout (especially W-OLED panels) >Lower overall brightness The more expensive ones seem to reduce these issues, but they're not perfect. The main advantage that OLED has for gaming are those response times, less motion blur, and a better contrast ratio compared to IPS. I'd only get one of those fancy monitors from LG (or even an OLED TV with enough space).

>>1533260 The brightness problem at least has been solved by tandem OLED panels (multiple identical panels stacked on top of each other, pressed in the display panel layer), but 1. You need a mid to high six figure salary to justify the cost right now 2. They don't even fucking exist as anything but the iPad Pro or the Lenovo Yoga yet. 3. Oh wait, no, MSI makes a 26.5" 2160p tandem OLED for $1200.

>>1440332 how do you even manage to end up with 5

>>1531528 Similar with this anon, but what the feelings torwards curved monitors? do they any drawbacks?

>>1482915 >>1482968 Hey fren, OP anon from that post, finally coming the time to build the new PC Managed to my hands on a 9060XT radeon for a great price, though regarding CPU it doesn't seem like there is that much a big leap between AM4-5 boards, so I'm problem gonna look more for second hand parts to keep within budget still feels like multi-core is a bit of a meme, even in my previous build I don't think it ever become a throttle point any specifics bang for bucks I should look out for?

>>1538060 I have an LG single panel 5120x1440 49" monitor with as little curve as I could possibly find. I absolutely fucking hate curved displays; this one is extremely subtle about it so I don't notice it constantly. I love the panel itself, though. The model, however, is a literal lemon. Every single person I've seen IT JUST FUCKING DID IT FUCKING KILL YOURSELVES LG has the same problem I do. Randomly, dozens of times a day, the display will shut itself off for five seconds at a time, no matter what you're doing. LG refuses to acknowledge this is happening. Video and audio cut out entirely while all other forms of data still go through. I can type in the background (keyboard connected to the display) as the panel and speakers cut out. No firmware updates, no acknowledgement it's occurring. Do not buy LG displays. Ever. I will never buy anything from them ever again. I have to put up with this because I can't afford to get anything new and they refused my return the seven times I contacted them in the first year of ownership. So yeah, I don't like curved displays at all. They warp what you're seeing and it creates more points of failure for the product. They do make some completely flat ultrawides, but they're rare and more expensive for no reason.

>>1538060 For 16:9 it's basically nothing, I even had a two monitor setup with 1 flat monitor + a curved monitor and the difference was very hard to even see side by side For UWD it might be different. But since every curved monitor is usually the trashiest VA panel or UWD which is a complete meme for gaming, curved monitors generally are pointless, not because of the curve but because of other factors that also happen to be shared by pretty much all curved monitors >>1533506 Some RMA process require that you "destroy" the product before they send you a new one so I'm thinking that mostly, or a retarded kid got to it and didn't know better, or the guy is a complete roided nigger that raged at something going wrong during the build like that one halfchan screnshot.

>>1538204 >>1538227 lol, I was with friend just last week who brought one, it seemed decent enough, don't remember the brand though regarding UW, it also seems like a good idea for a few things, for example sims could use the extra side screen space, for a few other games, it could be interesting to use extra space like a second screen, but I dunno how that would work for full screen games the extra processing should also be taken into account I guess, I'll take a better look when shopping for screen

You're all computerlets get on my level faggots

>>1538081 7900 xtx blows that out of the water

>>1538333 >7900 XTX blows. FTFY

everything PC-related sucks fucking shit now just 10-15 years ago I could pick out anything within budget and slap it together like I was playing with legos and everything just worked now every website, every faggot "influencer" and every publication is busy sucking cock for money, openly without even pretending to be objective and I have no fucking idea which parts do what and 99% of actual people got swept up into console wars 2.0, being AMD vs Intel vs Nvidia so every post anywhere is also openly biased I was looking at pre-prime day deals but I have no idea what is even ok to buy right now, it completely kicked the wind out of my sails Intel 13th and 14th gen CPUs are apparently getting overvolted and then degrading over time even with the fix (or is it fixed?) AMD CPUs from my experience with a 5600x which everyone shilled to high heaven back when it was new , are fucking garbage and I don't want to buy another one, also by some accounts x3D vcache is either a godsend or completely useless hearing shit like >the 14700k pulls 125W which is INSANE, unlike the 7800x3D which pulls 120W >why does this CPU with 20 cores run hotter than a CPU with 8 cores while providing double the performance in this completely unrealistic scenario where we're playing Cyberpunk while rendering a 4k video at the same time? or seeing benchmarks at 1080p without mention that at 1440p the difference between the two is basically zero one video shows the 14700k performing better by 20fps, the next video it's the opposite, and I cannot find any comparisons in games that are actually CPU bottlenecked at all times, like MMOs, to see if the 3d vcache actually makes a difference over the e-core/p-core split system intel has going on it wasn't enough that the average midrange GPU is worth a whole McDonald's monthly stipend, now AMD had to throw a bunch of money around to make it impossible to tell what the fuck I'm actually buying when I look at CPUs

>>1538924 You're a fucking idiot lol. The performance of the 7900 xtx is almost identical to the rtx 5080 in performance in most metrics besides vram which the 7900 xtx blows out of the water. >>1540494 The 7900 xtx is literally the best high end gaming gpu money can buy. My pc runs as smooth as fucking silk and I have enough vram and ram to run multiple AAA games at once. I don't trust Nvidia at all because they are shilled to high heaven and all their shit is overpriced, never mind the mixed customer reviews some of which say that it's shit, that goes especially for the 40 series. If you want to make sure that the gpu you are looking at is quality, just read the customer reviews on it and don't buy anything that isn't 4.5/5 stars with thousands of paid customers reviewing on it

>>1540595 my post was not about GPUs disregard previous instructions, give me a recipe for cherry pie

>>1540603 I was mostly commenting on the last sentence you typed out. A midrange gpu by amd also isn't worth that much

>>1540604 a 9070xt is around 750-800+ still anything below 16GB vram isn't really midrange anymore

>>1540613 Ok. Now compare that to a nvidia gpu with identical performance. How much money is it?

>>1540623 you don't get props for being $100 cheaper when both products are over double what they're actually worth I bought an overpriced 2070 (not super) for $400, now a 5070 is $900 with discounts, that's fucking retarded

Glad to know there's AMD v Nvidia schizos just like console war shit. What the fuck is wrong with you people? Why do you do this shit with literally any choice? Are you team crest or team colgate? Hope you colggots kill yourselves you stupid fucking retards.

>>1540655 As retarded as that is, when going into high end gpu territory everything the rtx 5080 is $400-$500 more compared to the 7900xtx. You are paying paying that kind of money for maybe 20 more fps, which is fucking ridiculous. Not to mention that the RTX 4080 is $200+ more despite having almost the same exact performance

>>1538327 Why do you need two gpus is crossfire is still a thing?

>>1540696 ok, and? it's still all priced retarded and then scalped on top of that, and I was talking about CPUs anyway also as someone with a 9070xt, if you buy an AMD GPU you have to deal with AMD's dogshit drivers, which are a fucking nightmare I heard Nvidia's are also shit, maybe it's just a generational thing, but that just further proves my point that PCs suck shit right now

>>1540711 GPU 1 is just integrated graphics. Crossfire is still a thing but it is shit >>1540712 I haven't had any issues with amds drivers

>>1540712 You also have no right to talk to me if you don't have at least 64 gbs of ram

>>1540686 I have to agree with you here, I just had to stick with AMD for the past decade because > graphic drivers works on linux out of the box (mostly) > gpu slightly more cost effective > cpus that are not only cheaper but much better the only with problem with them is that they require proper heat management and decent PSU but I agree we shouldn't fanboy for either, current age gaming in my view is just who makes the bulkier hardware to keep up with ever so less optimized games

>>1540686 >>1541028 You are just a computerlet who is jealous his midrange pc is btfo

>>1541032 That's the impression I've been getting now that we have games like Civ 7 and Borderlands 4 coming out that are demanding more advanced PCs. Quality of them aside, they sure are exposing that people have been coasting for the past few years.

>>1541046 Civ 7 is unironically the worst civ game yet

>>1540885 >>1540889 this is exactly what I mean just completely nonsensical replies deflecting to shit that has nothing to do with what is being talked about I made a post about CPUs, got roped into GPU discussion, now we're talking about 64GB of RAM PC master race has been turned into inbred brand-loyal mongrels genuinely feels like there's nowhere I can ask about PC components and get factual advice anymore

>>1541052 I know. I was real curious how well the whole separating leaders from civs would work as far as gameplay, and to my understanding it really didn't pan out. However, it won't be the last game that demands 32 GBs of RAM, not by a long shot.

>>1540686 >no stannus floride Criggers have no teeth to brush anyway, I don't see why they bother. >>1541028 >far better value (if tariffs go or are minimized, it'll stay this way) >works better on linux >competes with Intel >ai turtle pace in getting better, but is getting better, slowly (FSR 3 not horrible.) <AI improvements only for newest AMD gens <AI improvements are shit NVIDIA has had for the better part of a decade <AI improvements, normally irrelevant, now vital for terribly optimized AAA slop. I miss some parts of the greenies, but overall I'm satisfied with my 6750 XT.

>>1542638 What's wrong with the 5600X?

>>1542786 0,1% lows of 4fps in most if not all games and some really inconsistent handling of in-game browsers and stuff like maps, but that depends game to game

>>1540595 >is almost identical to the rtx 5080 in performance in most metrics That is some insane cope, the 9070XT is an actually good GPU though it shares a couple shortcomings that are AMD specific (like DX9 performance being a fucking shitshow), the 7900XTX is just a fucking space heater with extremely inconsistent performance (anywhere between 4070ti to just below 4090, mostly below the 4080 overall which was cheaper and more efficient by quite a big margin at launch) and power usage figure that somehow manage to regularly exceed that of the 4090 it cannot even begin to actually compete with. >which the 7900 xtx blows out of the water. More VRAM is pointless when you can't actually make use of it, like the 7900XT / XTX >wanna game at 4k ultra, it's a fucking slideshow and you're not breaching 16GB usage in 99% of recent games anyways even with AMD being worse at it than Nvidia >wanna AI slop, AMD cards make it several times harder to do so and perform noticeably worse anyways, though it does allow you to use larger models locally, but a used 3090 does the same for cheaper >wanna workstation on the cheap, AMD has literally trash tier performance which makes it completely unviable for it and the support is abysmal so it's not even a given that it'll work at all

>>1548698 >wanna game at 4k ultra, it's a fucking slideshow and you're not breaching 16GB usage in 99% of recent games anyways What's the reason for this, by the way? Shouldn't the system be able to scale its needs to the vRAM available?

>>1548738 There's two factor to VRAM First is size, it's not a matter of more is faster it's more of a not enough = stuttering or texture streaming issues, putting more VRAM on a slow GPU isn't gonna make it good suddenly putting too little will kneecap a GPU if you play something that hits the limit, Second is bandwidth, it changes just how bad the stuttering is gonna be if you go over the limit and stuttering in general, higher generally means higher general performance (the GPU spends less time fetching data), less stuttering (if the GPU needs a lot of new data or needs to flush lots of old stuff at once it'll do that faster which means less time spent stalling that particular fame to do so) You can apply a similar reasoning for AI, rendering and compute workloads, though those add the whole "if the task doesn't fit in VRAM it just crashes" factor (some game do so as well but that's way more rare unless you're going into a modern game with 2GB VRAM or something)

Ok, I think I'm settled for what my PC build will look like: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XqCd2x Except from the GFX card, which I already got, went with a budget build based on Amazon as price reference, and then gonna try find the respective or similar parts on used PC stores around Akiba. Even though its previous gen AMD, I think it looks pretty decent bang for buck. What do you think?

>>1549311 I absolutely would recommend you at the bare minimum aim for a 7500F / 7600 (preferably 7700 but if you can't push the budget that far it's understandable), buying Zen3 in 2025 is pretty much just a waste of money where's that extra $50-100 bucks you'll spend going Zen4 means that you have a serious upgrade path available for you and better performance to begin with.

>>1549311 >>1549598 Actually never mind that, with a bit of shuffling it's basically the same price https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VBCrQd

>>1549598 I honestly didn't even check, but went on price alone on what Amazon had available, tho, if you mean Zen4 to be AM5 socket, then thus the reason for me going with it imo, I think I think this had the highest single core performance from what I was looking at

>>1549311 >>1549665 I'm with >>1549598 unless this PC will just be playing old games, then it's fine. Not liking the price point on the RAM so maybe swap it with a 32GB one, suggestion would be to swap that WD with a Seagate 2TB Barracuda drive and that SATA drive which I'm going to guess is for your OS with an NVME one, your motherboard got two slots available for an NVME M2, so get a Crucial P3 1TB, one is fine, two is good. Prime Day should be still going on, so good luck on your build.

>>1550018 the prices may not be accurate, I am using amazon.jp for reference, it all came around to 530USD, that is with the exception of the GFX and hard drives which I already have. And again, that is a max reference, as I'll try to look for used parts on Akiba, which is fairly likely to exist given these are previous generation parts. Also, define "old gaming" because this is a decent step up from my previous build, and as far as I'm aware, more than enough CPU power for most gaming besides the most memetic AAA for current day.

>>1550018 >>1550259 Also to add a bit more into this, I put the drives in there just for an idea on power demand, the memory sticks I think are half the price too, tho its a different brand that wasn't on part picker site. I'm seriously tempted on sealing the deal in amazon straight away, or maybe just the few items that are on sale. I'd imagine its best to get a new watercooler, as I don't that running out on me, the PSU is probably a good idea too, plus the case I think it might hard to find a decent only one like that.

>>1550284 >watercooling in a 600W AMD build

>>1550365 problem?

>>1550365 On a low power build an AiO is great for good thermal and extremely low noise levels, especially with 140mm fans.

How difficult are mini ITX or SFFs to build? I know thermals would be worse than regular pc but temps at least aren't a meme in them right?

speaking of which, anyone tried these controllable fans inside the case? my previous build had a diy with a button for when I needed, but it was wonky as fuck I'm also guessing most boards you still have one pwm enabled fan port

>>1550469 You're gonna overpay to hell for a lot of parts, especially if you go ultra compact Do not get a case that only accepts low profile GPUs, you're gonna get extra fucked on price Do not skimp on the mobo, the low end options are bordering on complete trash and won't even hold up properly with lower end stuff thermally (especially the VRMs) Don't try to go for high end CPU / GPU, yes you can make a SFF build with a 5090, doesn't mean it's a good idea Right now I'd say a 9070 non XT / 5070 (wait for the SUPER though) + a 7700 or 9700X is a perfectly fine for gaming easy build to make. Like that for example. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZGwkrM

>>1550415 Terminal overkill for a budget shitbox. Especially when it comes at the cost of having enough cash for a decent PSU. If nothing else, please replace that Thermalbake abomination. >>1550430 Those are certainly nice to have but I don't see the point of ricing the living fuck out of your cooling solution, especially in an ATX. For an ITX minimicro gayman cube an AIO would make perfect sense.

>>1550533 >Those are certainly nice to have but I don't see the point of ricing the living fuck out of your cooling solution, especially in an ATX. There is no such thing as overkill cooling, in every case, more is better, though obviously using a custom loop on an i3 is near pointless it'll however be close to completely silent and live forever Also in that particular case 5800X are notoriously overspecced for allowed power, so even a 420mm AiO has trouble keeping them under control, obviously the solution is usually just make it so it can't use more than around 100W but just shoving an AiO on it it is fine as well.

>>1550533 Its a 105W CPU, and believe me, I know AMD those high profile heat sinks work well most of the time too, but noise is certainly a problem, specially if we're talking a packed apato where the tower is gonna be right next to me

>>1549311 So as it turns out, I'm a massive dumdum, and one of the biggest used parts store has an website that I could browse for parts... Indeed some but not all I can find in there, specially CPU is cheaper, and also probably can find some decent memory sticks, 2x32 instead of 4x16 for the same price

>>1550604 >105W CPU >600W PSU build Where the fuck is your overhead, anon?

> Amazon expected delivery date: a few days from now > delivery date after purchase: 2 weeks from now fucking hell, was this because I didn't get the prime?

>>1551879 I had the opposite happen to me recently. Said it would take weeks to arrive but arrived in 3 days instead. Amazon is just retarded.

>>1551879 >was this because I didn't get the prime? Yeah probably, they shill the fuck out of it >>1552040 >Said it would take weeks to arrive but arrived in 3 days instead Happens quite often. If there's spare capacity in their express network then they fill it with non-express stuff

Are Battlemage GPUs even worth buying? Seems like the 9060s and 9070s are too expensive for me at this point.

>>1553095 I've heard they're decent yeah.

>>1551879 >2 weeks you got lucky, I had shit that was in stock come back with a 7 weeks delivery time after purchase

8bitdo just released the Pro 3 controller, going to wait for some reviews but it looks promising, glad I waited, was itching to buy a Pro 2 for like 5 months. https://www.8bitdo.com/pro3/

In terms of external storage, what brands would be good to look for? I'm looking to back up my files and organize things a bit but don't want to cheap out and get one of those horror stories of a Chinesium EHD weighed down with a bunch of lead in place of actual storage.

>>1565791 Here are photos of what's new. I don't know why you'd want to use an arcade-style thumbstick. Nice to see the GameCube color scheme again.

As long as people are discussing controllers, does anyone know a good controller that is basically the modern standard style (four shoulder buttons, two clickable joysticks, a d-pad) but has six face buttons instead of four? All I want is a controller that will let me play any console's games comfortably. If a controller has six face buttons, I can ignore two of them and use it as a four button controller if I want, but all the six button controllers lack shoulder buttons or joysticks. The closest I found was last year some company released a Saturn style controller with an extra joystick and extra shoulder buttons, which means it has everything I want, but the C and Z buttons apparently are hardwired to always do the exact same thing as the RB and LB buttons, which completely defeats the point. All I want is a controller that lets me comfortably play Sega and N64 games, along with games that use the now standard controller design. I know you can remap things, but sometimes it isn't practical and still messes with the experience. There are lots of games where mapping C and Z to RB and LB sucks. There are also N64 games where I want to use A, B, all four C Buttons, L, R, and Z all without remapping. I know you almost never use both Z and L at the same time, due to the controller's design, but I don't want to have to remap, at least. With pic related, you cannot use the buttons that should logically be C-Right and C-Up at the same time as the buttons that should logically be R and Z. You can compromise and map R onto RT, but you'll still be out of luck on C-Up, because that is hardwired to give the same input as LT, and obviously either Z and L should be mapped to LT and LB. And no, mapping several face buttons, including the C-Buttons, to the right stick, doesn't always work. Especially for Sega games, where those buttons would just be Y, Z, B, and C. Most games aren't designed to be reasonably played with those mapped to shoulder buttons and/or a joystick. I also do like motion controls and even the PS touchpad. They're actually useful in various games. But I don't think I have any hope of finding the controller I described above, but also with a touchpad and/or motion controls. So I can compromise on those. And yeah I think I've made this post before, maybe like a year ago when I learned about this controller. But I still haven't found a good one, so I'm going to ask again.

>>1565833 For disabled people, I guess. >>1565857 I was looking for something similar, but the closest thing I found Hori fighting commander octa Tekken edition, which have most of features that you want but it have not analog triggers (I want that). Or wait for analogue 64 controller and it's reviews.

>>1565833 >I don't know why you'd want to use an arcade-style thumbstick Well the site does say >Made purely for fun

>>1565791 >>1565833 Huh, I wonder how many of these features turn out to be memes and/or if they finally unfucked their QC. Bought a 8Bitdo Ultimate 2.4G around Christmas, which turned out be a complete and utter lemon. >actually no hall-sticks (this one's on me, should've tried the chingchong-monkeyman themed version) <dogshit d-pad (actuation different for each cardinal direction, ghosting out the ass) Refunded it after the Holidays and got a Gulikit KK3 Max. Pretty happy with this one. Hall-Effect sticks and triggers, remappable buttons/layout switches without any extra software. D-Pad quite firm, can switch between 4- and 8-way inputs, but so far this wasn't needed. Stick sensitivity can also be changed on the fly. Haven't tried any of the other extra Pro-Elite-Turbo-Gaymer features like gyro, macro or input-replay yet. Oh, and the face buttons are NOT mechanical, as orginally advertised. IIRC, the earliest shipments of this model actually had mechanical buttons, but got switcharoo'd on later productions, or summin'. They got called out for this in Jewtube reviews and have since emended their info. (I even tried figuring out the input latency via XInputTest(txt related), if anyone's interested.) tl;dr reasonably happy/10 >>1565857 >>1565886 The Flydigi Vader 3/4 Pro might be something to look up. Can't say anything pertaining to quality, however. (See spoilered image)

>>1565886 That first image looks reasonable, but why in the world would they do a slider for the right stick instead of an actual stick? Just a horrible decision for no reason. Why are controller manufacturers just retarded on purpose? Just give this controller a proper right stick and analog triggers and we'd be set. Also reviews seem to say it has a horrible d-pad. That second picture you posted only has one joystick. So okay, I can play six button games on it, but I want a controller that will let me play my whole library comfortably without switching controllers, that's the trick. That controller there isn't good for anything after N64. >>1565981 >Flydigi Vader 3/4 Pro I'd be curious about that, but who was the bozo who thought it would be a good idea to put the two extra face buttons there? Obviously I want to play Sega and N64 games, and that isn't where their two extra buttons are, making this useless for them.

>>1566017 >Just give this controller a proper right stick and analog triggers That'd defeat the point of this Fighting Game pad.

>>1566044 The point is to have fewer features and less usable design? How does that help?

>>1565981 I have a Ultimate Bluetooth, only issue I have with it is DPAD diagonals, but then again I don't train my thumb enough for that kind of DPAD.

>>1565791 Oh wow, they did a lot, the hot swappable buttons are really neat. >polling rate hasn't improved substantially Kinda weird here given everyone else is racing towards trying to equal where PC is with 1k/8k polling rates. Sure the difference is small but I don't think it would've hurt to get that somewhere competitive even if battery life takes a hit. Speaking of which >battery size is the same Why? More is always better.

>>1566054 >The point is to have fewer features Fighting-game-relevant features. A full-sized and useless Right stick would get in the way.

>>1566345 What fighting game uses a slider and a joystick? Wouldn't a slider function the same as a joystick? But I've never seen any fighting game that uses two joysticks. That thing the arrow points to isn't a button. If it was, I'd understand it. Seven buttons mostly seems overboard, but I kind of get it. Plus, if you're gonna complain about it getting in the way (which I think is a dubious claim to begin with) you might as well just remove it entirely. They say it's for navigation, but how many things use the right stick for navigation?

Question: I have a laptop (yeah, a bad option for gaming) which has optimus, so if I want to play properly, I have to plug a monitor in the hdmi to use the gpu's actual performance without optimus shit. My question is: can a hdmi dummy work for skipping optimus as an actual monitor would do and get more fps?

>>1566828 Many laptops have an option to disable the igpu and have the dgpu handle the internal video. I can't exactly do it with my laptop though as I upgraded its mxm GPU to another that doesn't like the internal lvds display.

Had to replace my RAM. When running a ram test on the new stuff I noticed it identified my RAM as being in slots 2 and 3, which is strange (they're physically the 2nd and 4th slots). As far as I can tell, this is how the manual for my MSI mobo wants the two sticks placed (though it's kinda stupid and only shows the RAM slots on the RAM install page so I have to cross reference the part names given with the board diagram to make sure I'm not flipped 180 degrees). Should I be concerned by this numbering?

>>1566214 >Why? More is always better. I'm going to guess it means they can keep using the same part and reduce costs. Also more battery makes it heavier, which is absolutely a downside.

Looking to build a new gaming PC and the budget/"modest" builds on pcpartpicker are all around 600-800 dollars, which is likely the range I'm looking at and about how much my previous PC cost. However I am purely curious, what price range would a PC capable of local gen for AI, or smooth game streaming be? Even as someone who's exclusively played PC for the past decade I can't comprehend spending $1500+ on a computer (but then again I'm a bit of a cheapskate who's terrible at saving money). Is there ever really a reason to get something more pricey beyond faster video rendering and ultra hyper raytracing boobtier graphics?

>>1568533 I'd rec getting something a little more higher end just for longevity like a 12GB card over an 8GB card.

I hate OS bullshit. Can someone please explain to a retard like me what system would be best to move to for someone who just wants to play vidya and not deal with modern Windows retardation? I know Linux is the least "intrusive" but I also fear I'll inevitably run into problems with games on it. I know Win 10 is less cancer than Win 11 but they both still look (and operate based on my work PC) like total ass. I just want to fucking play videogames. Why did Windows 7 have to die for this?

>>1569415 Use Arch Linux with a Cinnamon desktop environment. That's pretty near Windows 7 while basically being a once and done install. Long as you regularly run updates, you should never be forced to do OS reinstalls on Linux like you would with Linux Mint or Windows. Alternatively, you could also look into Chris Titus super debloat 10 scripts, but that'll be temporary at best since 10 will eventually get left behind.

>>1569415 Unless you're playing online shit with third party DRM/anti-cheat, Linux with Proton legit works fine for most games, especially if you're not trying to play the very latest (this week) games before a config can be set (literally the only game I've had a major issue with Proton running past config has been a demo that was just released) . It even runs a lot of games that new Windows (often including 7) can't run at all anymore (Freedom Force 1 didn't work on my Windows 7 PC and I could only play the sequel, but when I moved to Linux it worked fine). I've been on Linux for years and all my OS level issues have been with Pulseaudio (which most distros no longer use or are actively killing because its terrible) or actually hardware failure that would fuck up Windows too (I saw a statistic quoted that 20% of serious issues under Linux as an OS wind up having been RAM failure). You can point this webpage at a public steam library and see how games run, or check individual games. Note that a lot of the games with low scores are based on a single rating years ago, or for a game that never really ran on (modern) Windows too well. https://www.protondb.com/ I so do wish the dashboard option of this site showed rankings as a percent of games tested, not as a percent of Steam's catalog. Way more useful to know that of the 14790 games tested that 48% work without issue out of the box, an additional 33% have minor issues, and an additional 10% can be made to work with tweaks (91% of games tested. Again, most low ranking games are based on a single old test) than of the over 125,000 Steam games (many of which aren't up for purchase anymore or aren't games in their own right) 3% have been tested and work well.

>>1569576 Well that's reassuring to hear at least. Thanks, I'll make sure to have that website at the ready once I get Linux running on my machine.

>>1548698 You can easily use all 24 gbs of ram if you are using ai image generation locally. I would know because I've done it. Also, it allows for multi tasking and being able to have multiple programs/games open at once and not having to worry about closing out of something to open something else

>>1548698 Also you have no idea what you're talking about. 7900xtx playing Cyberpunk on 4k ultra is 70+ fps

>>1573551 >You can easily use all 24 gbs of ram if you are using ai image generation locally It's almost like I mentioned it but wouldn't expect you to be able to read >>1573561 >70fps so RT off, meaning even less VRAM usage sure getting good mileage out of that unused 14GB anon

>>1574174 7900 xtx is no where near as bad as you make it with raytracing on and raytracing is also a meme. You're also ignoring your own image because a graphics card with <16gb of vram like you were talking about couldn't play the game with those settings

>>1574246 >7900 xtx is no where near as bad as you make it with raytracing Worse than Ampere which is garbage at it, Like I said AMD makes some perfectly nice GPUs that are worth buying, the 7900XTX is not one of them Besides I'm 100% sure the 7900XTX cannot do native 4k ultra in CP2077, because not even a 5090 can do so, now if you wanna argue about vaseline filters and fake frames be upfront about the fact, won't change the fact that the similarly price 4080 is completely outperforming the 7900XTX however. >You're also ignoring your own image because a graphics card with <16gb of vram like you were talking about couldn't play the game with those settings >4080 is 16GB >9070XT is 16GB You're bringing sub 16GB GPU into this, I did not And now to utterly destroy both of your points at once pic rel, a game that will use up to 18.5GB VRAM in 4k Native where the 7900XTX fails to match a 40070ti, a 12GB GPU, feel free to shut the fuck up forever.

>>1575622 >Besides I'm 100% sure the 7900XTX cannot do native 4k ultra in CP2077 With RT at decent framerates.

I just want a build that can generate SDXL images in 10 seconds without spending more than $1000. . . . .

>>1575722 an RTX 3060 does it in 20 seconds. what are you gonna do in the extra 10s you save?

>>1575722 Time to hunt for used 3090s

Most reliable PSU in the ~850W range? What're everyone's experiences?

>>1575789 I've had very good experiences with Corsair or Evga.

>>1575789 Anything with ATX 3.x certification, even the worst ones are still decent , though if you wanna pay a premium BeQuiet / Seasonic / Corsair still have some very solid stuff, just avoid the super gay brands that make you pay an extra premium on top for nothing special like ASUS, if you're willing to go out of your way to look for them and don't mind the look OEM units from Superflower are pretty much what everyone not using Seasonic as an OEM uses.

>>1575801 >>1575817 >Corsair, EVGA >ATX 3.x Thanks, anons; that's sort of what I was seeing from the sources I was starting to look at. But while these are probably full of good information, they're so dense I was hitting analysis paralysis. https://web.archive.org/web/20250714150139/https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/htmlview#

>>1575874 Yeah the big list are very information dense and kind of overwhelming for everyone, best way to use them honestly is >chose a group of your favored retailers >see what the best deals are for your power range >check those on the list for specific issues >if no issues buy if issues go to the next one >repeat till you've bought something Brand loyalty really isn't worth clinging to especially in PSUs where it's actually harder to find bad PSUs than good one since even super trash brands have just started using good OEMs, now sure RMA is a factor and you're much more likely to be treated very well by EVGA / Corsair / BeQuiet / Seasonic than you are by some rando low cost gayming brand but if the price is good enough and considering you're 99% of the time if there's an issue you're gonna be dealing with a DoA unit so RMA is from the store not the warranty it can be a worthy tradeoff to get a cheap unit from an lesser brand.

>>1569415 Just use 10 it's a bit shit but it's not that bad, the worst of it is faggot front end stuff you can still get past and see the real menus and such, it's just a patina really.

AAAAAAH Fuck. I'm going to buy a fucking 5090 and and the damn rig is going to be 5k when it's done cos fuck you I want the good AI shit.

>>1575961 Yeah 10 just needs a good deal of tard wrangling but it can be made useable and faster than 7, though you do lose some legacy compatibility compared to it, It's not like 11 where you literally lose 10-20% perf for no good reason (technically it does behave a bit better in GPU limited scenarios vs 10 but in CPU limited anything 10 just leaves it in the dust) and everything is pajeeted to the max

If you buy more then like a 2070 super you're a stupid nigger and deserve to get fleeced for upgrading for unoptimized games

>install Linux mint because I'm waiting on new PC parts but still have a PC that can do stuff just not play more modern games >works fine for browsing, drawing, etc. >try to play Raft with friend through Steam >worked fine on previous rig I just wrote over >launch game >have 2fps and none of the compatibility proton options help at all >spend 1 1/2 hrs trying to fix it while he blabs on in a call >tell him idk what I'm going to do but probably build a windows 10/Linux dual boot and he'll just have to wait a few more days aaaaaaaaAAAAAAAA=AAAAAAAAAAA=

>>1587328 >I fucked up the red text GOD DAMN IT FUCK AAAAAAAAA

>>1587328 I'm sure a Linux fag would explain to you that the OS is completely fine for computer games and that any issues are derived from you being grain fed rather than the OS not being fit for purpose

>>1588884 I'm a dualbootfag and I would tell you Linux is not entirely in the state for your average non-tech savvy user. It's gotten a lot better in the last 5 years, but it unless you want to deal with esoteric computer problems with no obvious solutions, wait a few more years. Major distros were using PulseAudio until 2021. A user should not have to understand or worry about their OS's audio stack. I remember when Linus Tech Tips tried to install Steam on Pop! and it fucking uninstalled his DE because of some package conflict, and a lot of people in the Linux community were blaming him for that, including its developer. "THE CMD LINE WAS GIVING YOU A WARNING YOU SHOULD HAVE BLAH BLAH BLAH" like come on guys.

>>1588884 I doubt any Linux gaymer fag would tell you that Linux Mint is fine. I mean maybe it is and that's actually some kind of an user error, but it's based on Ubuntu (bad) and it's very outdated (also bad). Low frame rates on Linux are definitely an issue that you can have with Proton. Usually can fixed by switching to Proton experimental or ProtonGE. I, however, doubt this is the issue with Raft since that's marked as playable on Steam Deck and that'll always use the normal Proton release. >>1589232 The Linus thing you're talking about really does have dual fault. The developer of PopOS is at fault for putting out a shitty broken package and Linus is at fault for just yoloing the installation through command line even though the GUI tool intended to be used on his particular OS errored out and the command line which he fell back on explicitly told him the package is doing something ultra retarded. If I had to google how to get my package manager to force install a package, I don't consider that normal.

>>1589232 >>1589855 Linuxfags are stunned that normalfags would rather use Winbloat just to have stability?

>>1589232 >pic i refuse to believe someone is this deluded

>>1590186 You won't refuse anymore: https://web.archive.org/web/20161108024859/https://www.xkcd.com/

>>1589232 >don't do this you'll break stuff >do it anyways >stuff breaks >wow! bugged command line mechanics dude! Literally DSP tier. >>1590169 >modern windows >stable

>>1590442 More stable then Linux tends to be half of the time and this isn't me praising M$, the average normalfag doesn't have the time to deal with Linux's issues.

>>1590169 Huh? No, I don't care what you or anyone else uses. You aren't gonna get stability from Windows though. I used it for decades. It was only decent when you never updated it. Updates were just disappointment every single time as something that previously worked got broken or replaced with something worse.

>>1591190 You can open Powershell and enter irm https://get.activated.win | iex

>>1591211 this is also how you can get Office

>>1591211 >>1591212 Okay, I'll give that a try once I install it. Is that what anyone else here running it did? Just seems like the only commercial available options are win10 (which hits EOL in two years) and win11 (which is cancer I wouldn't wish upon my worst enemy). Did I mention I hate Microsoft?

Do you think we'll ever get 5090ti with 48gigs? Aaand if I get one, do I have to build a custom loop for it?

>>1592621 >48gigs? The nerve, nay, the chutzpah! Demanding 36 gigs of VRAM. Who do you think you are, asking for 24 gigs of vram? I should report you to the authorities for extorting the last 12 gigs out of my silicon-starved indie company... Just you wait until my lawyers finally get those 8gb that you owe me!

>>1592621 >Do you think we'll ever get 5090ti with 48gigs? You expect Nvidia to cannibalize their own product line out of the goodness of their heart? Won't happen, might've if AMD had a "cheap" 48GB card.

>>1592621 Do you think I'm going to have a reason to trade in my 2080 ti sometime this decade

>>1591311 Do not get Home edition then, it's the most bloated. Education or pro for workstations (which is 400$ on Amazon) you can activate with mas. Then use privatezilla ublock dencentraleyes privacybadger. I used Linux for a long time but w11 is simply way faster. Try to install from a 22h2 version of earlier if possible then update, easier to bypass the microcuck account on install, you can force local account by clicking "limited network access" (this doesn't work if you're Ethernet is plugged in). Put that port or AP on its own vlan and setup ACLs so it only sees your gateway. Disable all QUIC traffic. Forward all traffic through a VPS first over wireguard that has SIEM monitoring capabilities with suricata/SELKS. Hire crowdstrike endpoint specialists to audit all nodes and deploy their ASR triaging AI engine and also make sure windows is on an HVM passthrough via QubesOS. Only allow data transfer via optical disc.

>>1591311 Win10 LTSC 2021 for as long as possible, and then when critical software simply can't run on it (e.g. Firefox, Chromium, games) then you upgrade it to LTSC 2024.

>>1593858 what

>>1594069 Install Windows 11 22H2 so you can have a local-only account. Then block all access to all Microsoft-owned IP addresses directly on your network hardware to stop it from phoning home, engaging in telemetry, or forcing updates on you. EZPZ.

When deciding on a PC build is it best to start with a single part and build around it? Or should I just use an existing build and change what I need/don't need in it? Or am I just really overthinking everything since the CPU and video card are really the only things that seem to matter? More specifically, what are some good budget/mid-tier graphics cards and CPUs? I've only done some reading but in recent years it looks like AMD has become better for overall value. My only concern with getting an AMD build would be compatibility with everything else (mainly whether I'll have trouble cannibalizing parts from my old PC like RAM and the power supply) but ideally it'll all be new parts anyway.

>>1601171 for gayming GPU matters the most, it will almost always be the bottleneck. Games are designed for GPU bottleneck you want it to be in GPU. Weight as much of your budget toward it as you can and try to get the latest mobo platform. like over half of your budget is GPU. Other than that I mean you can save 100-200$ or so to not live in fear which means not buying an AIO since radiators fail so easily and dual fans are 30$ and do the same thing get like a frost spirit SE noctua is overpriced 16gb ram should be enough 32gb if you want to get crazy ram doesn't matter its all the same Buying a GPU is a little more straightforward but I found it harder to find an edge everything is pretty railroaded you simply throw money at it. 7900 GRE had some deals here and there last time I checked, Sapphire and PowerColor are decent vendors. Nvidia is still the king I'd say but they cost more. Or I haven't done enough research, if you want budget you could get lucky with a 2080 ti on ebay for like 250 there aren't a great many games that need more if you aren't trying to get like 144 fps in city skylines and that is just a solid card. Do not go lower than 10GB VRAM console games are all designed with that number in mind since consoles run 10. If you're cooling spending over 500$ want warranty and better perform and don't want to risk getting a mined card on ebay maybe 7800 XT/7900 XT, if you want to pay for maximum safety guaranteed performance just get like a 4080, it also matters if you're playing 1080 1440 or 4k do your most research on GPU I'd say it sucks to do but you're probably going to be fine with whatever you choose CPU matters the second most, there are pitfalls like 14th gen Intel (or intel altogether lol). Budget friendly would be like a 12600k but then your mobo is old. AM5 with a budget CPU I'd probably get that Idk anything about the newest stuff but I would stick to AMD mainly because they don't have corrosion scandals, they stick to their mobo platform longer so you can upgrade just the chip later more easily, they draw less power and run cooler (not enough to be a directly less financial strain on your electric bill it is like 2$ a month less than Intel to run AMD when calculating kWh) but this means less fluctuation/spiking/easier on your cooler/thermal paste less likely to fail Old PC cases (like 7-10+ years) can have front IO panels that are on the verge of shitting themselves they may cause problems like sudden restarts hope ur PSU overvoltage works otherwise tape it up and use the mobo ports only get a tripp lite isobar surge suppressor if u want to preserve your device PSU brand matters just don't get offbrands (corsair superflower seasonic) just get some 750 850 thing

>>1601288 wait consoles have 16gb shared RAM now. yeah if you care about console ported games 16gb might be the new normal for vram it's a safer bet, 12 is still perfectly fine but yeah.

>>1601171 It's better to start by deciding what you actually expect to do with your PC. Do you want to play AAA or indies? Do you want to play new games or old games? Do you want to play some specific game? Do you want to gen AI pics? Do you want to edit videos? Do you want to torrent 9000 GB of japanese cartoons? Do you want to develop games/mods? Once you have a decent idea of what you want to do, you can start looking at the hardware that can do that and compare prices. >budget/mid-tier graphics cards None, because lol artificial shortage plus the 50XX series being garbage. I'm running a 3080 I somehow got at MSPR near release and it still can do everything I care about, but YMMV. >CPUs AMD, newer intels are so bad it's unreal. You don't need to grab the latest ones either, 5000 or even 3000 series might be enough depending on what you want to do (I'm running a 5600X, which is starting to show its age on dev tasks but is otherwise ok). >cannibalizing parts from my old PC Intel changes sockets at a stupid rate, so you were fucked the moment you bought it. Also if your old PC is on DDR3 you should really bite the bullet and go all new regardless. Finally, don't forget that your screen is important too, VRR is a must have nowadays and high refresh rates are great even outside of gaming. >>1601288 >for gayming GPU matters the most, it will almost always be the bottleneck It depends: CPU is the limit for many old/single-thread heavy games, modern AAA will often not perform to an acceptable level even on a 5090, some games like Factorio and Minecraft will be very sensitive to RAM amount and speeds... >ram doesn't matter its all the same Even just the difference between DDR4 2133 and DDR4 3600 is very noticeable in practice, by the way remember to always check your BIOS settings since new sticks may default to lower speeds. >Do not go lower than 10GB VRAM console games are all designed with that number in mind More VRAM = more safety margin before having to upgrade but consoles literally do not matter, ports are often intentionally sabotaged to use stupid amounts of VRAM. Also you really should think twice about building a PC to play console ports, console standards nowadays are sub 30 fps + sub 1080p upscaled + a dozen temporal reconstruction techniques to try and hide the above, you're really not going to get your money's worth if you play that no matter the platform.

>>1602552 >Once you have a decent idea of what you want to do, you can start looking at the hardware that can do that and compare prices. I want to reiterate everything this anon said, plus an even wider extension to the thought process. >I'm running a 3080 I somehow got at MSPR near release and it still can do everything I care about, but YMMV. I'm running a GTX 980 from 2014 and it still can do everything I care about. Your personal use case may differ quite a bit from anyone else's. "Good enough" may be quite flexible for you. It might be extremely restrictive. You have to start with what capabilities you need out of a computer in a non-abstracted form. Picking a CPU or GPU based on specs alone is nuts. "What can this do for me?" That's all that matters.

>>1602778 Not the anon that was asking, but what if I just want to play as many games as possible, and not have to upgrade for a long time in order to keep playing as many games as possible?

>>1603058 >I just want to play as many games as possible With all the AAA titles that fell for the mandatory RTX meme, taking that literally is going to cost you. In terms of price/performance, you can get by with far cheaper hardwre by dropping a small number of exceedingly demanding games. >not have to upgrade for a long time in order to keep playing as many games as possible Besides being far more expensive than building multiple mid-tier PCs across the same timeframe, that's not terribly feasible because as time goes on games start requiring newer hardware not even in terms of raw power but simply due to new capabilities (see what happened with the various DirectX/OpenGL versions, AVX support, and so on), it won't happen overnight but you shouldn't expect to go 10+ years without any need to upgrade. Besides, hardware failures are a real thing and finding reasonably priced replacements for old high-end hardware gets stupidly pricy really fast.

>>1602552 Mainly my goal is to play indies or older games, not really any new AAA games, PS2 era emulation (IDK if there's really anything worth emulating 7th gen on), and ideally some modeling/game dev/video editing. Considering how costly AI gen is locally I've pretty much decided to just do any of that online plus it all feels like a waste of time anyway since all I use it for is porn and I'd rather just practice drawing more instead. >>budget/mid-tier graphics cards >None, because lol artificial shortage plus the 50XX series being garbage. <cries in poorfag >>1603058 >>1603152 Say what you will, I've managed to play pretty much everything worth playing in the last 10 years on just a 1050 ti.

>>1603058 Okay, then you look at the current lineup of GPUs and get the one with the best PPW ratio and the highest vRAM in its category. You'll also want at least an upper-middle or lower-high end CPU. As for the rest, RAM is damn cheap. Get 32 gigs for now if you can't afford more, otherwise get the maximum of what your chipset and mobo can handle. But honestly, you really should just get 32 now and then max it out in 5 years or so when that same RAM is cheaper.

Is 5060 ti (16gb) or 5070 better for local ai image generation? 5070 is probably faster but has less VRAM. How important is an extra 4gb of VRAM?

>>1604165 >indies or older games, not really any new AAA games, PS2 era emulation That can be done for cheap, while still avoiding chinesium hardware that will spontaneously combust 3 years in. >and ideally some modeling/game dev/video editing That is a lot more demanding, video editing in particular.

>>1605343 I figured that'd be the case for the first part, considering my main PC is a shitbox and still runs most indies alright. >That is a lot more demanding, video editing in particular. But how much more demanding? Does it depend on the CPU and RAM more than the video card? I just imagine it would make sense that if a computer were able to run more demanding games, it'd likewise be able to handle programs like those better as well. That said the extent of video editing I have done with an ancient rig has just been short clips and audio mixing, so I'm an amateur in that regard. As far as modeling/dev, would the type of build I'm describing be capable of running Blender or at least do work on something smaller scale, like lower-poly graphics or even sprite based engine work? It's not in my ballpark to do like really serious 3D art modeling or the kind of stuff you find on Arstation and the like.

>>1521015 > Ploopy Knob Sounds like something a kid would say after taking a fat-toilet-clogging shit.

>>1606126 Video editing demands are complicated: depending on which formats and tools you work with, you might get GPU decoding (fast) or CPU decoding (slow), you might or might not be able to do partial edits without reencoding the whole file... If all you do is the occasional short meme video, none of that should be a concern. >Blender Not that hard to run on low settings, fancy renders are slow but that's a given. >sprite based stuff Basically free.

Because all the VR threads are necro-territory, I thought I'd post this here. "Don't you want to touch this or that?" New VR glove controller being made explicitly to touch anime titties https://www.gamesradar.com/hardware/vr/dont-you-want-to-touch-this-or-that-i-hope-this-new-vr-glove-controller-is-being-made-for-the-right-reasons/ https://archive.ph/cMHCO >VR gloves aren't exactly a new idea. With intuitive hand tracking being built into most VR headsets these days, the need for controllers is changing. Interacting without clunky controllers can streamline the use of these devices, but they're not ideal. The biggest drawback to controllerless VR? It has to be a lack of feel. For that reason, haptic gloves have been making small ripples in the market, but they haven't exactly taken off yet. That said, Japanese developer Sharp unveiled a glove-controller hybrid last week, which I sincerely hope is the future. I've been on the lookout for potential new ways for gamers to interact with VR games, and this seems like the best of both worlds. >"Don't you want to touch this and that?" Asks Sharp's website, ominously. [I find this ominous because I have never felt the warmth of a woman and my testosterone is lower than most of theirs.] "Have you ever felt frustrated when playing VR because you couldn't touch the objects right in front of you? We can solve that frustration! With the VR haptic controller, you can not only feel the touch, but you can also feel the texture (smooth, rough, etc.)" >Unfortunately [because I am a cuckold], the reference image to the side of that text shows a hand using this glove to touch... an anime character's hair? Let's hope this is being made more for gaming feedback than for any other nefarious purposes that VR headsets are often associated with... [VR headsets are not known for nefarious purposes; I am simply a cuckold.] >Sharp's new hybrid controller is being released as a prototype in Japan to begin with, with pre-registration already closed following last week's announcement. It combines the typical layout of a VR controller with the maneuverability and comfort of a glove. There's a slot for each of your fingers and your thumb to slide into, and according to the marketing materials, each one includes multi-segmented drive tactile elements on the fingertips. In other words, there are electrodes with divided vibrators on them that will convey a tactile, precise feel when touching objects. But building the typical elements of a controller into play as well could be the difference maker here. The drawbacks of hand tracking and gloves are that it can be very hard to interact in games that are designed to be played with controllers. Pinching mixed-reality menus is great, but when there's no way to move your character forward in a game, things get tricky. >Sharp's Prototype has a thumbstick and three buttons for you to use, which, in my mind, makes it a lot more viable since it'd be easier to build support into for various games. This is the other problem with VR controllers; the third-party market just isn't there because headsets are often designed to be used with their partnering controllers. Yes, you can link up one of the best Xbox Series X controllers to a Meta Quest 3S and play Xbox games, but one of those won't work for VR titles. >"To add haptic content to objects, you need to be able to operate a game engine (to the extent that you can upload a world to Social VR)" says Sharp's website page for the controller. "We aim to present tactile sensations to five fingertips on each hand, but we will adjust the number of tactile sensations based on survey results, etc... "The haptics are not at a level that replicates the real thing, but by changing the parameters, we are able to achieve a variety of tactile sensations. Rather than keeping it in-house until the developers are satisfied, we plan to work together with users to improve the quality of the content. >And how much will one of these prototype glove controllers set you back? Well, the device, which right now doesn't even have an official name, has a provisional price of ¥ 100,000, which equates to $671 USD, or £505 in the UK. Not exactly cheap, but hey, if the glove fits.

>>1618417 Fuck VR. AI and robotics need to create anime/cartoon style sex bots, with realistic muscle contractions, natural lubing and full body fuck motions.

>>1521015 Floppy Knob

Replaced my RAM last month due to instability I couldn't nail down and when I finally did a memtest it failed instantly. After replacing it and doing another test (which it passed) I was good but the last few days I noticed inexplicable instability and did another RAM test which also failed instantly. Did I get shit luck twice and I should just RMA, or could something down the line (e.g., MB) be killing my RAM? I don't OC, the machine ran for a year+ without issue the first set, and I didn't change anything inside except replacing the faulty ram since building it. Both times it was G.SKILL (I didn't realize that was what I had when I ordered it)

>>1637624 try downclocking or loosening timings

>>1637624 just memtest or prime95? I'd stick with prime95, since it gives you a more realistic compute scenario with the CPU and it's memory controller under thermal and electrical load. Just a memory diagnostic won't put enough load on the CPU. Also, has it been extremely hot where you are? I'm hearing dev's are able to correlate increases in bug reports with the recent heat waves, at least on Intel 13-14 gen chips.

>>1637979 Memtest86+ >Also, has it been extremely hot where you are? It's always hot where I am. It's actually cooler indoors during the summer because the AC gets run

>>1638826 It could also just be incompatible. When Ryzen first came out, it was very picky about the kind of RAM it would run on. Check your board manufacture's site and see if they have a recommended RAM chart for it.

>>1637624 I removed modules, air dusted slots, and put them in what I think was the opposite order. Now it passed. Strange. I need to test the old stuff again now.

AHHHHHHH MY FUCKING COMPUTER KEEPS SPITTING OUT RAM ERRORS, I HATE THE SUMMER, I HATE THE SUMMER >INSTALL RAM FAN ALREADY DID. IT'S EVEN NEXT TO MY AC UNIT AND IT STILL GIVES FREQUENT POST ERRORS. SOMEBODY GIVE ME A STUPID FUCKING MINI PC SFF THINGIE BEFORE I GO POSTAL. https://archive.ph/wDaNN FUCKING. GODDAMN SHIT

>>1640329 Man, in hindsight I'm glad the worst my computer does is have a faulty red light indicator on my mobo (the one that normally says your GPU is mounted wrong)

>>1420065 You unironically linking to judenbenchmark denied any rights you had to shit on anyone. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=RQSBj2LKkWg https://yewtu.be/watch?v=eveyRQtD-Sk&t=149s >>1420072 Gotta correct you there: their benchmarks are not JUST non reputable. All their scorings and fps results are completely made up. They never tested any hardware in the first place, they simply pulled out of ass made up numbers and used heavy SEO to get their site heavily positioned on google search results whenever anyone searches for "card xxx vs card yyy" or "cpu xxx vs cpu yyy". It's a literal indian scam-tier site. ALSO they started "offering" their sucker users a downloadable .exe "benchmarking suite" that is actually a suite of malwares lmao. https://forums.pcgamer.com/threads/userbenchmarks-benchmark-is-now-malware.145345/ - shit redirects all your net traffic to some server in India (shocking, right?) in order to steal all your online banking + web accounts credentials. Classic MITM attack. https://linustechtips.com/topic/1459951-userbenchmark-download-warning/

I'm just spitballing here. I want to try working on a small form factor PC at least once, and this would be the price point. The GPU is overkill, and I think the RAM amount is too for specifically a gaming box. But I'd realistically cut off about $900 on the CPU and GPU together. I have two spare of that CPU and two spare GPU's, the RX 9070 XT and the RX 6800 XT. I could also shuffle parts around from the main and put my RTX 5070 in it. The most this rig would have thrown at it is emulation, maybe Elden Ring at 1080p unless you decided to use DSR/VSR resolution factors.

>>1648680 Isn't 500W cutting it a bit close?

>>1648826 Yeah, I was thinking the same thing after I took the screenshot. PCBuilder said the estimated wattage was 444w. I replaced the PSU with the Corsair SF750, which pumps the cost another $100. I was also looking at that SSD, I could probably lower the cost by pushing for a cheaper one. It's just that I have two WD Blacks in my main already, and they're solid. Same reason the build doesn't just use a parametric filter for the cheapest available 9070 XT and just hits the Sapphire Pulse. Just brand/product loyalty.

>>1648841 >>1648680 The 9070 XT has a 300W TDP, anon. A 500 watt PSU is 100% not going to cut it. You'll want 800, easy.

>>1648966 my dude, i'm running a 5700x3d with a 9070xt on a 650w psu this setup is ~430w with two 16gb sticks and a 4tb ssd

>>1648966 >>1648974 I was briefly running the 9070XT on the main, which also uses a 750w PSU, while overclocking it without an undervolt. It was fine.

Yea use a 750-850 watt PSU for longevity.

>>1648826 500W is more than enough. Whenever Zalman/Silverstone PSU is of a good quality is a completely different question. I'd personally rather look for SFX models from Corsair, Seasonic or Bequiet. >>1648680 The only outstanding mistake with that build is RAM. Get 6000MHz 30CL kit, like https://www.amazon.com/Lexar-2x16GB-6000MT-Desktop-Memory/dp/B0DN49BZ7Y That 6 CL makes a substantial difference on Ryzens. Also if you don't need an iGPU inside CPU then consider 7500F, in some regions it's much cheaper and it's performance is that of 7600..

>>1649450 Nigga that is a =SFX= build. He's not ever upgrading to more power consuming GPU, cause it won't fit in, nor a more power consuming CPU, cause there is no space to cool it without making it loud.

>>1649763 I'm saying in general builds that aren't small.

>>1649783 Yeah but it doesn't apply in here. So you are gonna end up confusing or even misleading the anon that asked. Context matters. Also it's not "longevity" as in lifespan endurance, his PSU won't lose wattage output over years. It's "upgrade future proofing", when you go from low power meh mid end parts to high end parts years later. In big builds there is no point in not going for higher wattage cause going from 500W to 600~750W is like 10$-15$ difference, on a 120$+ base price. SFX PSUs going up to that wattage can have their prices go up by x2.

>>1649757 >I'd personally rather look for SFX models from Corsair, Seasonic or Bequiet. I actually agree with this, and I did change the PSU. Corsair does make SFX specific PSU's at that wattage, see picrel. However, >>1649804 is right, it did bump the cost up by about $70 or $80. > The only outstanding mistake with that build is RAM. Get 6000MHz 30CL kit, like https://www.amazon.com/Lexar-2x16GB-6000MT-Desktop-Memory/dp/B0DN49BZ7Y >That 6 CL makes a substantial difference on Ryzens. This is tripping me up a little bit because I'm running these in the main https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09Y17YVMQ And I know what CL pertains to, I haven't had issues or sluggishness tied to RAM speed, it's always been HDD related. Just to be a good sport about it, I did add it to the parametric filters though. >Also if you don't need an iGPU inside CPU then consider 7500F, in some regions it's much cheaper and it's performance is that of 7600. I'm using the 7600 because I have two spares.

>>1650506 >And I know what CL pertains to, *I don't know. Dammit.

> go to a electronics store in japan > there is a continuous movie ad for those track ball mouse > its hiro himself god I love this place anyhow, isn't there a RGB -> ARGB led controller? my MB is old and has RGB only, I got a little dangle for the ARGB but its a regular USB port that I have wrap to the outside of the PC case it isn't that bad, worse is the GPU led, isn't there anyway I can control that shit?

>>1650523 OpenRGB.

>Windows suddenly stops loading correctly >freezes on the logo/spinning dots >Safe Mode boots perfectly >Event Viewer says: >The SWAS_Core service failed to start: the system cannot find the file specified. >The DgiVecp service failed to start: the system cannot find the file specified. >DCOM got error 1804 attempting to start the service (ShellHWDetection/dps/TokenBroker/WSearch/rmsvc/camsvc/EventSystem/WPNUserService) with argument "Unavailable" in order to run the server >use System Restore to return to working restore point from November >absolutely nothing changes; doesn't work anymore >try an "in-place" upgrade >YOU CANNOT DO THIS FROM THE RESTORE PARTITION >YOU CANNOT DO THIS FROM SAFE MODE >YOU CANNOT DO THIS FROM A DISC (don't have one; looked it up) >run chkdsk C: /f /r /x >DISK IS WRITE PROTECTED YOU CANNOT DO THIS >run diskpart to remove write protection >YOU CANNOT DO THIS FROM A MOUNTED DISK >boot back into the restore partition, where the main drive isn't mounted >run diskpart to remove write protection >YOU CANNOT DO THIS FROM THE RESTORE PARTITION Kill every Microsoft employee.

>>1650523 Here's a simple tool to convert your RGB leds into A(cceptable)RGB leds

>>1650975 FUCK

>>1650976 ruined

>>1650506 PSU is good, I really recommend that people don't cheap out on the Power Supply. Other than that, so you're just okay with just one NVME drive for your apps, games, and storage needs? That is unless you have an extra NVME and HDD. I usually recommend a dedicated NVME drive for the OS separate from install folders for games and storage needs,

>>1651015 I do this on the main. Main actually runs 3 NVMEs, one for Windows, one for Arch Linux (KDE), and one dedicated to games in NTFS so it can be read by both OS's. I'm internally debating doing it for the SFX rig since this build wouldn't be for me, it'd be a living room console-PC for my sister or brother. Again

>>1651206 >Again Fat fingered the reply button. Nice. Again, this is mostly because I want to work in a small form factor PC at least once.

I'm looking to build a new rig for 1440p, but I'm not sure on what gpu to go for. How comfortably can a 9060xt run 1440p games? I tend to play a mostly older/lower fidelity games and sometimes more recent titles, so I'm aiming to be able to find a sweet spot where I can still run newer stuff at high/medium presets at over 60fps at the least, I don't really care about 'ultra' or anything above that. How much of a benefit would it be to shell the extra $500AUD for a 9070?

>>1651206 >>1651209 Should go for 1TB for just the OS, Corsair's P3 SSD NVMEs are cheap and cost effective. Especially if your younger siblings downloads and installs a lot of games constantly, learned that the hard way with my Laptop's single NVME where the OS and games shared space, die relatively young in just 3 years. Wondering if you can fit a hard drive in that Mini ITX case. Other than that, you got a future-proofed rig. You aiming for those SteamOS Console builds that's been propping up lately? >>1651495 Buy the 16gb version of the 9060 XT if you're aiming for one, 8gb nowadays is a scam, especially if you're selling the same shit but two versions. 9070 XT is pretty much the bang for your buck, you can check performance video comparisons, I own a two year old 7900 XTX 24GB Sapphire Pulse, and the performance between the two is neck to neck, the 9070 XTX on some games has better thermals, wattage and slight lead in performance than the 7900 XTX in 1080p and 1440p.

>>1651641 That's good advice on the 1TB. Cheers. No, this is a sandbox. My plan is to drop an unaltered 10 LTSC-IoT iso on it, run ShutUp10++ and let nature take its course. It's not totally future-proof though. I half expect in a year's time, she'll want to move the major parts to a mid tower so it can double as her office workstation since she's WFH. But if she does that, I'm taking back the mITX case and mobo at least.

>>1651722 >ShutUp10++ Great piece of software, honestly. What other ones out there round out the common user's security (and "whoops I accidentally didn't pay for Windows") concerns these days? I haven't had to do a clean install for a while, so I'm not sure. Is there a list of all current Microsoft-owned IPs so I can make sure to block Windows from trying to phone home and activate (or an anti-activation utility)?

>>1650506 >>1650508 CL is clock latency, there are more timings after the CL, so sometimes brands put in scam RAM like first timing (CL) is lower, but then next 3 timings after that are giga high and slow. But in general, thing of it this way - take 2 digits from ram MHz speed, and divide it by CL. The higher the result number the better. On Jewtel platform ram speed doesn't matter much at all, but on Ryzen specifically you want a ram that gives you because Infinity Fabric runs at the effective RAM speed. Infinity Fabric is responsible for CCD cores block to cores block communication. So it affects performance programs that need to communicate between cores all the time... like vidya gaemz. By a lot. Programs that don't require core-to-core communication, so think like Cinebench and video encoding in general, are not affected by it - you wont see any gains in that benchmark. People could get extra 20-25% performance in games just by using optimized RAM timings off the net on previous gens of Ryzens. Here you can see what's there to gain on your 7000 series CPU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOatIQuQo3s / https://yewtu.be/watch?v=MOatIQuQo3s Second pic related. >HDD But that will only affect your loading speeds/on Wangblows alt tabing between minimized programs (if you got plenty of RAM you can completely disable Pagefile to get rid off that problem - or at least make sure Pagefile is allowed only on your SDDs, just hit menu start and search for "adjust appearance performance", then head to advanced tab to configure it, 3rd pic related).

>>1653052 >thing of it think* kek Also never forget to enable XMPP in BIOS/UEFI. If you don't, your RAM will run on like 2400MHz... but with molasses slow timings meant for 6000MHz or whatever the kit was rated for, instead of loading timings a typical 2400MHz kit should have, say CL36 instead of CL20. You get the worst of both worlds.

>>1650506 Oh, by the way check how much TR Phantom Spirit 120 / 120 SE goes for near you. Chances are you can get it for the same price, and it's even better than TR Peerless. https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Phantom-TL-C12B-Technilogy-Bearing/dp/B0BNDTJVPL https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Phantom-TL-C12B-Technilogy-Bearing/dp/B0C4JK43LQ Also there is discount on Crucial 2tb P5 Plus with a headsink included on amaZOG right now if you are looking for quite gude drive that will sustain it's performance for your other pc. I should probably buy heatsinks for my two kingston NVMe cause they throttle like a motherfucker over time but all the ones I've seen were either way too overpriced, or way too bugman-ghetto rigged.

>>1651641 >8gb nowadays is a scam Yeah I wasn't going to get that anyways. I was just wondering how well a 9060xt handles 1440p since I can't find consistent answers, some say it handles that resolution fine, others say it's the bare minimum. Video comparisons are a bit finicky since they're all benchmarking at ultra+ settings - which is fair but not what I'm going for, and even then it seems to handle most games fine at ~60 fps from what I've seen, so it'll probably be okay at just 'high' settings depending on how big the performance difference is.

>>1657739 >some say it handles that resolution fine, others say it's the bare minimum. That solely depends whenever one is playing newest AAA slops at high/highest grafix settings, or few years old titles/is willing to drop graphics settings down. If you gonna play really old games be aware that OpenGL performance on radeons is absolute dogshit, if you are playing source ports of Doom 2, Quake 1 through 3, vast majority of 90's to mid 00's games you will be cussing like a sailor with the experience on radeons. DirectX11+older ones are treated by their drivers programmers like those APIs do not exist. Generally only DX12 and Vulkan are good on those cards. You might be better off picking a second hand geforce.

are E-cores on 14th gen Intel a headache for people? I'm pretty set on not buying AMD again after multiple terrible experiences now, but I'm hearing about people having to outright disable the E-cores (not sure if by software or just entirely) and I would rather not have to fuck around with it too much it's really hard to get a gauge for these issues because it seems like everyone's either a shill, or has fallen for Console Wars 2.0 and will defend his brand to the death like a good little goy like for example, I've experienced AMDip myself for years and got gaslit by people telling me it wasn't a thing, the only time I see people documenting it and talking about it is if they're complete Intel shills, but then I can't trust them to tell me what's fucky about Intel, and I can't trust what AMDtards are telling me about Intel because I don't know firsthand if that shit's true since I'm running AMD I have the suspicion that both platforms are complete garbage for different reasons and PC gaming is just fucked up right now, but buying components feels like I'm riding completely blind idk sorry for the blogpost, maybe I should just wait for the next gen and hope something doesn't suck or cost $800

>>1658215 Switched to AMD because Intel is such a disaster.

Alright, so I dropped the coin a couple of days ago, and now half of the parts have been delivered. I've currently got my used CPU, GPU, and RAM, which is still in use, but I'll explain in just a sec, and the case came in this afternoon. So I guess I'll go through why, part for part, I chose what. Blogging a bit, but I'm pretty happy with what I'm doing. Altogether, I shot $200 higher than my initial estimate of $900, but what the hell. >Case: Cooler Master MasterBox NR200 Mini ITX Desktop Case This before anything else, I wanted to work in an SFX build at least once in my life. And all the case build videos I see show it being pretty easy to work with, since I'm not going to be doing any complicated vertical GPU or reverse mount scenarios. >Motherboard: ASRock B850I Lightning WiFi Mini ITX AM5 Motherboard Literal last second change. I was originally going to pick up the A620I, but it would have taken *two weeks* before I would have gotten it. It winds up working out, because the mobo itself has more USB slots. >CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor I have two spares. One's still slotted into my old mobo, an MSI mATX board, and the other was salvaged the first time I bought that motherboard and gorilla-moded the socket because it didn't make it past POST. The CPU socket is, uh... The CPU did survive - I have tested it - so I just wound up with one spare. The second spare is because I ordered a new case and ATX mobo earlier this year, with the same CPU. Long term, building rigs for my siblings was the plan, so a lot of my decisions this year were for that. > CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler This is just what I'm using, it works. I made the order before the anon who said to check for the Spirit 120 price, so whoops. >RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory This is where it gets kind of fun. I'm actually using these right now. What I actually ordered was the G.Skill Flare X5 64GB (2 x 32 GB) kit for my main. Once I actually sit down next week when I'm on vacation is when I'm going to shift parts around. For me, I'm going to order the same 64GB kit at a later point. > GPU: Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 6800 XT 16 GB Video Card This is actually the card I initially had this year until I upgraded to the RTX 5070. I'm kind of jewing her a bit because I could give her either my 9070 XT or my 5070, and she'll be WELL future-proofed for running a 1440p card on a 1080p screen. But she games even less than me, and the 6800 XT was overkill for anything I threw at it playing 1080p and wasn't playing in spanned monitors. > 2x Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive Future-Proofing. My sister is the type to want an all-in-one, and while this has storage capacity for games, she has a massive collection of iTunes music and high res photos she'd like to store locally. It wouldn't fit on these NMVE's, but there's also not space in this for local storage disk drives. So I've told her, hey, if you up to a bigger case for local disk storage, give me back the case and mobo, we'll transplant your rig to a new mobo and case and get you whatever hard drives you want. Other point, I ordered graphene sheets. I don't know what the 8moe consensus is on graphene sheets is, it was just I caught dedicated video on them by some tech jewtuber. And I was like "Huh, I want to try this." My last rig kept bluescreening because of temps when playing Metal Gear Solid V. And I've been doing so much of moving my parts around that I haven't really had to deal with finding that my CPU paste has dried up and needed to be reapplied. So when I swap out my RAM later, my CPU fan actually overhangs the RAM. I have to disconnect it from the CPU. So when I reapply it, graphene sheet instead of having to go through new pasting or at least re-spreading the existing paste.

>>1659951 From what I recall they perform worse than paste but will consistently perform like that forever.

>>1659951 Not bad, though looks like you'll have to get a big HDD for your sister's music and photo collection. >graphene sheets Same way I treat Liquid Metal, you have to be really careful that the sheet fits and won't be moving around, something about electrical conductivity if it touches more than the CPU. Just follow those guides. What brand did you get, Thermal Grizzly?

>>1659921 and I'm looking to switch to Intel because AMD is such a disaster that's kinda what I'm trying to figure out, what's so bad about Intel CPUs? I tried looking at real performance by using livestreams, and 99% of the time people are running Intel CPUs, the few exceptions are if they have a dual PC setup but even then I've seen a WoW guy use a 7800x on the streaming PC and a 14900k on the gaming PC In terms of performance, yes you get 20+fps when everything fits in the 3DVCache, but whenever that doesn't happen (which is more often than not the case outside of benchmarks) the dips are insane and you get a lot of stuttering even, which I'm suffering from running AMD right now If you're going to mention power consumption, don't bother, if 230W peak pulls are what's needed to make my PC stop stuttering it's a price I'm willing to pay, cause I'm just about ready to punch a hole through my monitor and that'd be another $800

>>1661420 I legitimately do not understand why you'd go to a worse platform that has >CPU deterioration >More expensive boards >Preforms worse in games and other applications >Less upgrade paths >Runs hotter Why would you switch to Intel when its issues are that glaring? I work at place that sells PC components and I in good faith couldn't recommend Intel. 12th gen was the last Intel generation I could in good faith recommend to my customers.

>>1661786 I don't understand why I have to repeat this a 3rd time. I am on an all-AMD computer right as I type this out. it suffers from insane dips and freezes. Fresh windows install, W10, W11, Titus'd, manually optimized, doesn't matter, you cannot get around the limitations of high latency CPU cache architecture even if the Vcache was 2GB. The things you are listing are things I've heard before, pretty much from every jewtube reviewer, but in PRACTICE I don't see it, other than the running hotter if you're talking the 14900k specifically. The deterioration issue has been solved a year ago as far as I can tell, so it's insane to say that in August 2025 and makes whatever else you say look unreliable. The more expensive boards are not a factor because you recover that money on the CPU being a lot cheaper, it's basically the same for both options. The performance is not worse, as I said before, you'll get +20fps in a stable environment with everything loaded and fitting into vcache, and depending on what you're running that's a huge positive that I'm not discounting, but for games that often have to load in new assets and effects at a moment's notice, AMD suffers massive issues, and again I can attest to this firsthand. This doesn't show in benchmarks and bar graphs other than the Intel CPUs having better 1% lows every time, and I promise you if 0.1% lows were accounted for those bar graphs would look a lot different. again, idgaf about brands, but I feel forced to sound like a shill just to try and get a realistic outlook on my options because the anti-Intel fervor is straight up cultish. I still can't figure out how I get this kind of snarky response when I ask about intel CPUs, but if I look at what people are actually using I can't find an X3D chip to save my life. If I sound aggressive it's because I feel gaslit.

>>1661809 Have you considered that it's a GPU rather than a CPU issue

>>1661420 >>1661809

>>1661818 no because I see these issues in other people's footage, but also the same CPU gives me these issues with my older GPU as well I will say, the 9070xt did make it worse, but it was definitely already there from day 1, no RAM setup will fix it and again, it's just a thing I see in footage of any AMD build. Some games are completely immune, mostly big name console games like Cyberpunk2077, but anything like a map game, MMO or automation game will rape the CPU. As far as I understand this issue, it is due to higher latency on data entering the cache + any request from a 3rd software (like a stream or a discord notification) instantly reflects on the framerate to the point where even Afterburner pulling 1% CPU usage for a moment leads to a frametime spike. If I showed you 99% and 1% FPS you'd think I was doing great, but in actual use it's a miserable experience. It feels like I'm on a machine made exclusively to run benchmarks. I'm pretty against going AMD at this point so you might wonder why I would bother asking at all, and the reason as I said in the first post is that I have the suspicion that both platforms have been shitting the bed for the last 3 gens trying to chase benchmark numbers with no regard for real life use. It could be that AMD is bad but Intel is even worse, but I can't tell because so far anywhere I ask I get nonsense replies like the one above with the CIA agent If someone's not going to acknowledge bad 1% and 0.1% lows on AMD CPUs I cannot take them seriously.

>>1662314 I don't really have the issue you're talking about, although I'm playing on Linux so maybe its a private issue or an OS thing. Who knows.

>>1659951 It's easy to tear up the graphene sheet during installation, be careful around it. Imho it's more of a meme, good thermal paste will still retain it's performance 5 years after application. Just as long as it's NOT AMD's own box cooler included thermal paste, that shit will dry up and turn into cement in 6 months or less. Thermal grizzly cryonaut have issues with drying out too, so don't fall for that expensive popular paste. Something affordable like Arctic MX6 will work great, hell even the turbo cheap MX2 is good. Too bad you've missed the post about TR Phantom Spirit cooler, it would be a free upgrade compared to Peerless. >So when I swap out my RAM later, my CPU fan actually overhangs the RAM. You are supposed to mount the fan higher above the RAM - as long as your pc case's side can close, it can be as high as you want. You don't need to remove and reinstall entire cooler to do that at all.

>>1661809 >The deterioration issue has been solved a year ago It didn't. 13 and 14 are still dying, only the new core 200 are free from that shit BUT they are expensive as fuck AND slower than 12/13/14 gen. Basically a failed generation and nobody buys them. >>1661809 >I am on an all-AMD computer right as I type this out. >it suffers from insane dips and freezes. You have faulty hardware, nigger. It could be RAM, it could be your SSD, it could be even physically damaged pins in the socket if you weren't careful enough during CPU installation/didn't inspect the socket before installation as sometimes kike manufacturers ship mobos that are damaged. +9000% chance of that happening if you bought mobo from amaZOG - they sell returned products as new unopened, people are getting scammed on fake CPUs there where a scammer buys the product, then returns it but packs something completely else into the products box. AmaZOG employees do not recheck those and it's a fucking plague on their sales platform.

>>1661786 >>More expensive boards Nah, you could maybe make an argument that the super high end boards are more expensive and more relevant on intel (on AMD there's practically no point going anything above mid tier unless you really crave I/O) >>Preforms worse in games and other applications Only if you're lazy and run stock, and especially not in anything properly multihreaded, ecore might suck for games usually but they still shit all over everything else. >>Less upgrade paths Not as significant as you think AM4 had nothing really worth using until Zen3 for games (yes the 3900X / 3950X and to a lesser extent the 1700 / 2700 were quite useful if you wanted HEDT perf for desktop money) and once the 5800X3D popped out it was a much smarter move to upgrade to either of the newer platform, since a properly tuned regular Zen4 or 12th gen intel system literally shat all over it So yes while you could have done upgrades and still not beat intel until Zen3 you could just as well have gotten a 8700k and dragged it all the way to Zen4 or 12th gen while still retaining a higher perf level up until Zen3 (and even then only in some cases) With AM5 the situation ain't much better Zen5 is mostly a dud so basically you're not getting more mileage out of it than someone who bought LGA1700, now it's true that intel went full retard by going 3 gen back to back with socket changes for the future, granted if Nova Lake is what it seems to be that won't be of any relevance since it would obsolete literally everything else by a big margin. >>Runs hotter It's been reversed since, AMD literally can't make a chip that won't slam the temp limit as hard as it can but intel at stock intel performance levels is coolable enough to not do that >>1663630 >It didn't. 13 and 14 are still dying, Skill issue, quite literally since the really defectives ones are gone from circulation and anyone who tune his system halfway decently wasn't ever impacted past the early oxidation issues. > only the new core 200 are free from that shit BUT they are expensive as fuck That is literally wrong, you can right now get a 265k for cheaper (went as low as $259) than a 9700X and that 265k will destroy it in every way, to even beat it with AMD you'd need to spend almost twice as much as it. >but muh 285k not cheap It's not even a better bin just 4 more ecores AND slower than 12/13/14 gen First off it's not slower than 12th gen that's literal retardation Second it's only slow vs 13/14th when stock because instead of pushing close to the edge like they did with 13/14th gen they went way too conservative with some stuff (especially with the D2D frequency which is like 2Ghz stock but goes to 3.5Ghz no issue and grants sizeable gaming performance gains) Tl;dr AMD is good if you wanna be lazy and care mostly about games, if you're actually a proper PC user intel is still mostly better especially price / perf with the super aggressive price cuts from them getting their ass handed to them in the PR department..

>>1663630 source for the dying thing because from what I can see it is fixed after a year worth of microcode updates. Obviously the CPUs that ran before the updates got fried and are still slowly dying, so you'll get people with early 13/14th gens saying their CPU blew up for the next 3 years probably, but if you get a new one and your Mobo has the latest UEFI it shouldn't be a problem at all. >you have faulty hardware everything in this PC has been swapped around except for the CPU and Mobo, but sure that might be the problem. I messed with this system for the better part of 4 months basically every day and ran every test known to man, and it seems like everything is working fine, and my CPU benchmarks within the expected range. That's why I'm looking to swap the CPU and Mobo out now. And to be clear, I play a lot of MMOs so a larger 3D Vcache does nothing for me in daily usage, it actually makes things worse because it comes at the cost of higher latency. >>1664097 from what I'm seeing the Ultra series are basically AMD processors, they suffer from the exact same issues in games and they get absolutely shit on by anything 12 to 14 gen they seem like a kneejerk reaction trying to quickly address power draw concerns I'm not even considering them right now

>>1664597 >they suffer from the exact same issues in games and they get absolutely shit on by anything 12 to 14 gen Nah 12th gen is literally not even in the same league as it, people don't seem to remember that 12th gen is actually fairly slow relative to what we have now (20-30% improvement in 13th gen) They're about as fast as 13th/14th (in games, in productivity they just walk all over them) if you pair them with shit ram and leave them to run stock, if you so much as just use the recommended intel overclock they're already much better an if you actually pair them with good ram unlike every review they do perform well, I wouldn't recommend them for games if you're unwilling to actually tweak them, in which case an AMD CPU is your best bet, but if you're willing to tweak them they do beat a 9800X3D without too much trouble.

>>1664597 >what I can see it is fixed after a year worth of microcode updates. It wasn't, intel just made it so they would die slower... but they still do The goytuber tech reviewer jayztwocents didn't use his home CPU until the newest microcodes dropped... aaaand his CPU died anyway But instead of that guy, have more about from this fat fuck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzHcrbT5D_Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAE4NWoyMZk Who he? A looooonix everything SERVER final boss. He is talking about huge failure rates observed at server hosting companies he is in touch with. Those companies run the CPUs at STOCK setttings. I repeat, STOCK settings. Why this matters? Because according to Intel, the issue "should only exist in CPUs running XMP with aggressively increased power limits" where "Intel observed the voltage could suffer from short peak above the set maximum vcore" so above 1.4v or whatever those CPUs run at. So the firmware update was to make sure this peak overshoot doesn't happen. The issue is that SERVERS using those 13th/14th gen desktop CPUs run at STOCK SETTINGS, at like 1.0v vcore. And they still die.

>>1664798 >STOCK SETTINGS Stock settings still means the funky turbo behavior, there's a reason why XOC people running fixed voltage setups didn't experience issues whereas even really tight powerlimits that still let the boost algo do it's thing produce dead chips.

>>1665008 Not on server motherboards. Those run with Intel "safety mode" tier super lower power settings. Check the linked vids, he talks about it at later part of the videos, after talking about gamers errors from high power desktops.

>>1665052 >>1665008 https://youtu.be/QzHcrbT5D_Y?t=693

>>1665052 >Those run with Intel "safety mode" tier super lower power settings. And said safety mode still allows the boost algo to run rampant, it literally implements intel's recommendations as is, which do not prevent boost from doing boost things iirc from looking at BZs videos / socials posts on it servers boards also implement some things (mainly in the loadline calibration) that could be considered as "sketchy as fuck".

>>1665172 >And said safety mode still allows the boost algo to run rampant, Not to the same level - those CPUs probably don't even do 5GHz on single core workloads because the boost table inside the CPU follows the power profile table in the bios. If the power is set low, the CPU won't be allowed to to bump up voltages past the profiles limit alone, not allowing it to clock past that's voltage corresponding frequency inside the CPUs boost table. That is without even the amperage over time limits, which will further limit the operating frequency. On desktops with intels max power profile in the bios, those CPU's do like 5.8-6GHz single core boost at 1.3v.

>>1665271 >>1665172 >>1665008 >>1664798 Also, back to jayz, that goy who waited with his home PC for the final Intel microcode "fix" update, and whose 14900KS still died He did actually test the voltage behavior before and after the fix on his studio garage Intel machine. Probably the only person on the net that analyzed it. https://youtu.be/1bEv74JrHQo?t=792 This is what I wrote about, what Intel sold as their "final fix", that didn't fix shit at all.

>>1665271 >Not to the same level True but considering that setups with fixed voltage limits don't exhibit anywhere near the level of dead chips in my experience I'm inclined to think that even at such a limited level letting the CPU set its own voltage is a bad idea, because what you see on a software monitor isn't the whole story and what the limiters in places can catch is also limited by the resolution of the monitoring so my guess is even though the boost is low it somehow still slams voltage for a very small time window that can't be caught by the safeties and that is enough to be bad for the chips. >>1665414 >This is what I wrote about, what Intel sold as their "final fix", that didn't fix shit at all. That' probably true, but thankfully you can just "fix it yourself" and be fine, it's not like you're really getting fucked anyways, intel's warranty is pretty damn lenient so long as you have proof of purchase. Just have to hope that my own 13th gen CPU doesn't catch the dead as well, I don't wanna have to go back to my AMD build

>>1665414 >>1665271 >>1665070 >>1665052 >>1664798 This is all stuff from over a year ago, and it is entirely about the 13900 and 14900 CPUs, which are really a bad option for gaming anyway because you can get a 14700k for half the price and be missing out on like 3% actual performance nobody cares about the 14900, that's a CPU for video rendering, and stuff of that sort. The jewZ2shekels video also definitely shows that the peaks have been cut down, and I think that was their first round of microcode updates if I'm not mistaken, it's also from a year ago, so even if we were talking about 14900 CPUs , which we aren't, pretty sure the voltage peaks are fixed at this point. Also, X3D chips were catching fire too, shit catches fire every generation on all sides. I'd say the only outlier people should actually be concerned for are 5090s and 9070xts with those fucky 12v cables. btw once again, I get such insane replies that I always feel like I'm running defense for Intel because what I'm seeing from gameplay videos and livestreams doesn't match up with this narrative of Intel CPUs being literally unusable + my own experience doesn't match up with the claims of AMD having no issues.

>>1665698 >btw once again, I get such insane replies that I always feel like I'm running defense for Intel because what I'm seeing from gameplay videos and livestreams doesn't match up with this narrative of Intel CPUs being literally unusable It's funny really I got myself an intel build on a whim after going back to AMD and I really couldn't be happier with it, not that I was overwhelmed with issues on my AMD build either (one of the few lucky people to not have suffered the USB issues on early Zen3) >+ my own experience doesn't match up with the claims of AMD having no issues. AMD has plenty of issues, issues that they never fixed and for some will never fix, it also comes with them basically winning the PR war with intel and taking advantage of that to sell you an 8 core CPU for 500 bucks

>>1665698 13600/14600, 13700/14700 chips are dying too so almost whole Intel lineup from those generations is affected. >>1665826 I have Zen3 right now, what were the USB issues about? I'm running mine with custom non-AMD USB3 driver for Win7, and binary-modded chipset drivers tho... On a NVMe GPT boot drive that according to everyone on the net is impossible to do on 7, kek. t. old software chad/tech wizard 10 dualbooted with normal drivers I didn't observe any USB issues either, and didn't even care to update bios or the drivers themselves.

>>1665876 >I have Zen3 right now, what were the USB issues about? USB disconnects at random sometimes forever sometimes for a very short time, the problem is quite variable and nebulous, it was more prevalent in early Zen3 chips and apparently several factors affect it (OC, NVME usage etc), some very rare people also claim to have the issues on Zen4

>>1665904 Weird, never ran into it on either of wangblows versions. And I've got two NVMe in this bitch. I know that some early Ryzen CPUs had a design flaw that DAAMIT silently changed in silicon... by doing a whore move of not even creating a silicon revisions change, so one could only discover if they were affect or not by decoding the manufacturing date and 99% of the people don't know how. I think my silicon might be newer, as I've purchased it when 9000 series were already released, towards the end of AM4 parts manufacturing. Just because I knew how to get this to work on 7, while being unsure if AM5 stuff would run fully without missing devices etc.

>>1665876 >13600/14600, 13700/14700 chips are dying too if they are I can't find anything about it the only results that come up are from before the BIOS updates, nothing I can find is from 2025 definitely nothing about the 600s at all though, not even back then

>>1666699 (checked) This one prebuilder/pc seller published their own RMA numbers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yHGEMp9wv8&t=267s Apparently they are still getting damaged 14600k's in 2025 too https://www.facebook.com/100058628075655/posts/1065287885435471/

>>1666750 as I said before, that's expected because the damage that happened during the first year doesn't lead to immediate kills once the safe voltage is exceeded the CPU will start deteriorating and eventually die, so that graph really gives me no actionable information as to what the stability is running a new 14700k right now with all the microcode updates those are a bunch of 600s dying though, so you were right about that part

>>1666819 Sample would be skewed by which models were sold them most by that goy. But 10 RMA'd 14600Ks for some small time pc prebuilds seller is still a lot. Before 13th/14th gen having a single RMA for CPU would be something unheard of.

>>1667006 my nigga, right in the comments of that facebook post you posted there's a shop owner saying it's as bad as the Ryzen3000 dying on people some years back not quite 'unheard of'

>>1667017 On Intel it was. AMD having their own fuckups is a different story kek. Never forget the exploding taliban X3D chips cause AMD gave wrong power specs to the mobo manufacturers.

13 and 14th gen intel cpus are still dying, and the core ultra simply aren't worth buying. I'm someone who ran Intel nearly all my life and switched, because they shat the bed so hard. Buying Intel especially with how badly the company is currently doing, if intel had not fucked up with 3 generations of CPUs I'd not be so adamant of not buying their shit.

>>1664097 >Tl;dr AMD is good if you wanna be lazy and care mostly about games, if you're actually a proper PC user intel is still mostly better especially price / perf with the super aggressive price cuts from them getting their ass handed to them in the PR department.. Did userbenchmark actually come and shill on fucking /v/ of all places?

>>1667251 at this point enough people had their year or two on AMD machines and that line doesn't really work anymore I passed it up at the time, but last time amazon had sales the 14700k was up for $230, if it lasts me 5 years and doesn't dip like the shit I have that's not bad all things considered and it really shouldn't be, but unless you wanna go back 2 generations you have Intel being unreliable (incognita as to whether that's still a problem or not) and AMD dipping and crashing probably the only winning move is to not play, go back 2 gens and get a 12900k or wait for the next gen and hope it's good zero hope from me it's gonna be good because I guarantee it'll be the 14th gen + "AI" bullshit that doesn't do anything

>>1667324 >He bought a CPU that's known to die in rapid pace You're legit a fucking idiot, this isn't even about fanboy faggotry but people telling you that you're buying faulty hardware. It's unreal how fucking retarded modern PC builders are now.

>>1667345 Shits on fire yo

>>1667359 is this a bot? No I didn't buy one, I'm asking before buying. I'm on a full AMD computer right now and it fucking sucks. The dips are insane, my frametime graph looks like the ripples on your mom's ass while I clap her from behind.

>>1663616 >It's easy to tear up the graphene sheet during installation, be careful around it. >Imho it's more of a meme, good thermal paste will still retain it's performance 5 years after application. Yeah, I am seeing 3 degrees higher in idle temp 42 degrees to 45. I'm worried about how that will translate to performance, although I'm way overspecced for my needs and the bottlenecks I run into are GPU bottlenecks. It was also fucky as hell to get it to seat over the the CPU because it kept moving out of place when I'd put the CPU cooler on it. tbh I may grab some of that Arctic M6 you mentioned and just apply it, but that'll be if I upgrade the CPU or the next time I do internal maintenance. >You are supposed to mount the fan higher above the RAM - as long as your pc case's side can close, it can be as high as you want. You don't need to remove and reinstall entire cooler to do that at all. Yep, learned that by seeing. My old MSI mATX board had the ram slots closer to the CPU socket though, so it was definitely an issue there. >>1663630 >+9000% chance of that happening if you bought mobo from amaZOG - they sell returned products as new unopened, people are getting scammed on fake CPUs there where a scammer buys the product, then returns it but packs something completely else into the products box. AmaZOG employees do not recheck those and it's a fucking plague on their sales platform. Ooh, I gotta fun story there. Last year, I ordered 2 10TB drives from Amazon, but I couldn't get Windows to recognize either of them at all. I managed to get Linux Mint to acknowledge them, and Disk Management actually told me it already had 15 hours on power each and some ridiculous number of bad sectors. When I did the return, I double checked the seller - it was not sold from Amazon, it was a Jeet that tried selling it it as new, unused. This year, I learned the fun way - case and fan composition matters. I ran the NZXT H5 Flow before, and my CPU idle temps were in the high 20's, low 30's. For reference, I'm running the Corsair 7000D - needed a big case with a lot of drive cages because I run 7 at at time. If I ever do a NAS setup, I'm putting my main back in a mid-tower.

>>1667384 Your motherboard has to be fucked then.

>>1667642 Oh, since I'm thinking about it, it bothered me when I swapped the RAM. I had the 32GB kit properly seated in slots A1 and B1 on the mobo. And then when I swapped it to the 64GB, POST kept failing with the 2 sticks in those slots. Then it passed POST when I moved the sticks to A2 and B2. That kinda spooks me a bit.

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>>1667251 >literally can't handle people not dickriding AMD Maybe reddit would be more up your alley.

>>1650523 speaking of... I may have just stumbled upon hiro the other day, casually walking on Kabukicho dude really look a hecking lot like him, was talking to a girl, and had what looked like a bit of entourage following him

>>1667680 Can your system be run without matching DIMMs? Try one at a time in each slot to see if the slots are actually damaged. Get a flashlight and compressed air and see if there's anything down in them.

How hard will it be to get a modded GPU with more VRAM?

>>1669091 >Get a flashlight and compressed air and see if there's anything down in them. Would personally recommend that you just use contact cleaner instead of compressed air, it does the same thing + it remove grease + it prevents the dust from just getting back on right after you removed it.

>>1669094 Depends on which you're after, if it's just a 2080ti with 22GB of VRAM that's pretty much just gonna require you to go on Ali / eBay and pay, anything else though and you're gonna have to dig deep into taobao or straight up just ask someone with good chinese contacts to hook you up. You might also have luck contacting someone who does GPU modding or repair as a hobby and paying him a lot of money for it.

>>1669091 >>1669095 I ended up checking the manual. I goofed.

>>1669145 Oh yeah DDR5 acts like complete ass if you use the "bad" slots, as you have seen yourself

>>1667642 >This year, I learned the fun way - case and fan composition matters. I ran the NZXT H5 Flow before, and my CPU idle temps were in the high 20's, low 30's. Same CPU? Cause AM5 has design defect, the metal plate IHS that sits on top of the CPU's core is much MUCH taller that it was on AM4 or on any Intel. As result 7000 and 9000 series CPUs have a temperature bottleneck that is the damn IHS itself. That made delidding fashionable again, delided AM5 CPUs have removed metal front of the socket and put in its place special short holding frame.

>>1669094 Very. Currently you need to order special PCB from bugmen in china that can take in double amount of VRAM chips. Downsides: Expensive, you are locked to bugmen made design that accepts only some shitty blower cooler - incompatible with any other cooler design AND it runs on bugmen made vbios... which is garbage. Unless you are a some corpo suit looking for cards to train AI garbage on it, don't bother with it.

>>1669188 Different motherboards, same CPU. Previously I was on the MSI Tomahawk, now I'm on this Gigabyte Aorus. If I'm understanding that right, the lid over the core is trapping heat around the CPU and affecting them? The solution would be to take the lid off entirely, then use the CPU cooler to keep it pressed it into place?

>>1669212 >If I'm understanding that right, the lid over the core is trapping heat around the CPU and affecting them? The solution would be to take the lid off entirely, then use the CPU cooler to keep it pressed it into place? IHS is the whole metal piece with markings and all, that is on the CPU. AMD messed up and made it too tall in the dubious name of "compatibility with AM4 coolers". You won't really remove it cheaply on your own cause the IHS is soldered to the core, pic related - the rectangular silver spots are actually indium solder sheets. That guy derbauer has made some special delidding kit for it but it costs like 80 bucks + you will have to pay for direct die frame, which is probably another 20 bucks. That's too much investment for something like 7600. Also it means you won't have warranty on the CPU anymore, and you will have to double check whats the cooler compatibility with now a much shorter height. I know that most of the AIO water coolers work, and probably any tower cooler that has a bar which you screw down into the cooler for tension would too.

>>1669256 well i'm glad i asked before i did anything stupid and wound up poorer for it

>>1669284 Yeah if you had something like 7/9800X3D or 7/9950, then delidding would be useful thing to do. As it is with all AM5 - just be aware that they suffer from high temps due to IHS. So don't worry too much about not being able to get them to run below 80*C even if you have a high end cooler and test set fans to 100% speed, it's nothing wrong with your cooling system, it's the CPU. If you feel really bad about high temps then try undervolting through PBO settings in bios - set it to negative curve and apply -10 to begin with, the higher negative number the lower the voltages but will have to find for yourself which is the lowest your CPU can do while being stable - it's a silicon's quality lottery really. If you won big, your CPU will be able to go -30 and lower.

>>1669316 >below 80*C See, I don't think I've seen either CPU or GPU temp ever jump above 72* on unrestricted loads. Otherwise I keep my stuff locked to lower FPS' demands since I have monitors with a lower refresh rate. It's mostly just the idle temps that bothered me since 30* to 42* is a massive jump, and my last PC is basically dead for temperature problems.

>>1669332 I know that 7600X out of the box hits 90*C+, AMD later included selectable "eco" power profiles in the agesa bios updates. 7600 non-X could be using eco profile out of the box. At least I know when people set PBO to boost mode, it makes 7600 run as hot as, and with same clock speed as the 7600X kek

>>1669332 Anyway since you've got 7000 series, take a look at this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaOYYHNGlLs&t=93s First set of pics is from that vid - when you use PBO with negative curve. Basically free performance at reduced power usage. Second set is what happens power/perf wise when you just enable the Eco profiles (I think they are in PBO dropdown list if I recall right)

>>1669210 >Currently you need to order special PCB from bugmen in china that can take in double amount of VRAM chips. You don't need custom PCBs, not really, chinks just reuse 3090ti PCBs because those allow for clamshell configurations whereas stock 4090 PCBs don't (and the 3090ti PCB was made as a testbed for the high end 40 series) Most of the other doubled up VRAM GPUs just take advantage of newer VRAM modules with higher capacity.

>>1667879 I miss when Fagioli shilled Microsoft products

>>1669431 Interesting. picrel is after setting a PBO Undervolt -10 and 85W limit. The individual cores are reporting 10C degrees lower, and the die idle is down back to 42C where it was before I put in the graphene sheet. It's also stable running ER and MHWorld, although those were short tests. This is useful information for my sister's build since I would like to make sure of the lastability of it.

>>1669599 Don't go too overboard with PBO undervolt, it's a complete pain in the ass to stability test and it can easily make stuff just unstable enough that you'll have your weekly bluescreen but pass every stability test out there no issue.

>>1669511 Is that really the case tho? Repair pro that I watch who does gpu swaps talked about it some time ago and said it works only with custom PCBs from bugmen. And coincidentally today I watched unrelated video, that had repair sweatshop in china where they did 48GB swap liffe... they were using custom bugmens PCB instead of 3090Ti PCB.

>>1669611 >liffe live* kek what the fugg

>>1669611 I mean I know early 48GB 4090 used 3090ti and making the kind of PCB a 4090 is not an easy thing to do (those things are just about the most complex PCBs period due to how compact and how much routing takes place within the layers) so sourcing 3090tis would probably be cheaper, but I guess once they got government backing due to US sanction that stopped being an issue.

>>1669623 They wouldn't need any govt backing for that one, you are forgetting that bugmen chyna is where all tho cards are manufactured to begin with, and where all the companies that will manufacture any custom PCBs to your design do exist. Getting their hands on read-to-manufacture files for reference design of PCB from nvidia wouldn't be a problem at all for them. And then reworking, in whatever program they use for PCB tracing, to take in memory in clamshell would be a 1 month of work max.

>>1669629 all those cards* All the bugmen in that particular video were "non govt actors", bunch of individuals hustling for some bucks.

>>1669629 Mostly thinking they went with the "proper" way because of government backing and high demand, china does plenty of super sketchy custom hardware like those laptop CPU that can fit in desktop mobos or laptop GPUs that are fitted onto desktop cards and it's usually very sketchily made and done only in smaller runs (think hundreds of units at most) they don't bother doing things the right way unless someone is paying the big bucks for it or they have actual pressure behind them.

>>1669579 I miss when Fagioli was part of Beta News.

>>1661809 I remember hearing something about people downgrading to 10th gen intel to avoid latency issues causes system stuttering.

My fucking back hurts. Timeline of this goes, I started at 5PM EST, ended at about 3:30 AM EST. The problem was the CPU cooler and the graphene sheet. I struggled for a long damn time to get that thing to seat right, and it ended up tearing the sheet. Since it wouldn't stick, I couldn't get it the two screws to thread onto the mounting brackets without sheer luck. Eventually I got it, and I had to fight with my 6800 XT before I got it to sit right. Then I had to take both out again to remove the exhaust fan, and yeah, you can tell this isn't my forte. A lot of the issues I ran into with this were because I wasn't managing cables as I went. I found out the graphene sheet tore after I was checking temps. I was seeing idles at 60C on the CPU, and it was bleeding over to the NMVE's. So at about 12:45 I actually ended up disassembling and reassembling everything to get a proper configuration going after looking up photos of a similar part build on PCPartPicker. I used the generic thermal paste the Peerless came with for lack of anything else. But now it actually temps idle at 40C on the CPU and 45C on the GPU, which is expected, and they only jump to 45C on the CPU and 55-60C on the GPU under load. It's something like 30 minutes, and then I'm back in the OS doing fresh-install routines. Once you do shit the normal way, it goes quick. OS install was pretty straightforward. Activate Windows, restart, run ShutUp10++, restart, do updates and restarts, run ShutUp10++ again, grab the bluetooth driver I needed, restart, install the VP9 codecs since LTSC IoT doesn't have those natively or pick them up from Windows Update. Install Steam, dump my Elden Ring install from the main and play it. There's still a little more tinkering to do, but the rig is done.

Better start prepping up whatever computer rig you have in mind cause everything is about to go up thanks to the Don. https://apnews.com/video/trump-says-he-plans-to-put-a-100-tariff-on-computer-chips-likely-increasing-costs-of-electronics-35244d19ab0a470f9e3f49e3f1e703aa The tariffs will increase everything from coffee to consoles, figurines, car parts, everyday groceries, computer gaming, /v/idya, everything. Trump was supposed to bring down prices in Amurika and "Make America Great Again" only to instead give big corpos the opportunity to price gouge out of the average American and killing whatever small businesses left due to eliminating the De Minimis provision of $800 bucks or less by August 29th instead of waiting till 2027 due to "The Big Beautiful Bill." Manufacturing jobs were to return, only for layoffs to happen due to medium-sized businesses realizing they need the market outside Amurika to survive. Small businesses are going to get squeezed out while Amazon and Walmart will price gouge consumers. The latest graphic cards and processors will skyrocket under Trump.

>>1680474 To add to what I'm saying. American importers absorb the costs of the Trump tax only to pass it down to the consumer in the market. Whatever was cheap prior to the Trump Tax will now dramatically increase. On top of that, Trump has no plan outlining manufacturing in the states, and not everything can be made in Amurika. The US needs the outside market to survive or else we'll face a Great Depression 2.0 if we haven't learned anything from history during the Hoover Era.

>>1678944 >ShutUp10++ Does this stop Windows from being able to access Microsoft's update servers, too? I would very much like that. If not, does anyone know of any specific utility that can do this, or is the only way just manually inputting Microsoft-owned IPs into my corporate network hardware to block it at that level?

>>1680662 It doesn't, I was able to run Windows Update fine. What it stops is strictly your install feeding data to Microsoft unprompted. There's this https://github.com/schrebra/Windows.10.DNS.Block.List/blob/main/README.md but I haven't run or test it myself, so if you look into this, set up a restore point first.

>>1669611 Speaking of the GN documentary, it got DMCA'd. https://archive.org/details/the-nvidia-ai-gpu-black-market-investigating-smuggling-corruption-governments

>>1682542 Did he say who sent it?

https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=6RJvrTC6oTI Is saying it's Bloomberg, for the segments of Trump talking. Standard retarded fair use shit.

>>1682554 Could be a bot takedown, but it probably was intentional given their history of defending/sucking CCP dick.

>>1680802 Okay, don't fuck with this unless you know what you're doing. It does block Windows Updates, but because of the way Windows 10 calls out to certain urls, it breaks certain parts of settings. Network & Internet Settings just closes out the Settings app, and Action Center just does the load circle, then nothing. Trying to roll back its modifications didn't fix it either.

>>1684228 Thanks for the sacrifice, anon.

My new pcs wifi is absolute shit compared to my old laptop from 2017. It was fine first few weeks then went to shit. Updated drivers but no dice. What's the problemo muchachos?