>>1675845 Is anyone really surprised? Pretty much every "re release" gets censored in some way, shape, or form. If you want to enjoy these games, just emulate them. This industry doesn’t deserve your time or money.

>>1675845 I lack the supercomputer required to emulate this (assuming that's what this is as you sure as hell didn't elaborate), but I thank you on behalf of those that can.

>>1675845 Thanks anon. Do you happen to have the jp version as well? As in, japanese text/interface.

>>1350832 You mean how the developers had a more interesting premise in the first game involving sci-fi and space for the first 1% of the game but then their Japanese genes kicked in and they immediately abandoned it for a traditional and forgettable generic fantasy plot until the last 1% of the game? I don't even remember any of the non-scifi parts of the plot, it was so forgettable.

>>1827039 Star Ocean was literaly made by ex Phantasia devs.

>>1827046 I played them back to back a few years ago. The original SFC version of SO 1 even uses some of the same menus and sound effects as Phantasia.

>>1827110 SFX of that era were often from sound libraries or incredibly simple (e.g., Doom's item pick up is actually an incredibly basic from scratch sound) so I'd think something like menu sounds is just same people picking what to use for both rather than an actual copying.

I wanna get into this series but i only have a PC. Which game should i start from and which games should i play in order?

>>1827859 Most of them aren't linked together plot wise, so you'd be fine starting at any point. I'd start with the snes version of Phantasia with the Dejap TL. It's old, it's basic, you'll hate the AI for being dumb as a rock but the story is still solid and the gameplay is fun. It's also not complicated nor very long, so you'll never really need a guide if you have even a smidge of patience. And you'll know if you like the 2d games and want to keep going in order. If that fails or if all you want is to experience the 3d era, go with Grace F or Berseria. They're both flawed and grace has a really, really terrible shounen story but they're also the best 3d entries gameplay wise. Just... Never expect good stories or good dungeons going in any of the "tales" games.

>>1827968 Why not the psp version of Phantasia? From what I heard it's more or less a 1:1 port, but with voice-acting, and it also has a translation patch. >Never expect good stories Maybe the stories are not high literature, but I am playing through Destiny Director's Cut and enjoying the story and characters. The story might be just "shounen tier", but I like the overall optimistic and light-heated story. >>1827859 Like the other anon has said, the games aren't inter-connected, with exceptions of direct sequels, like Destiny 2. I guess if you want the best version of the 2D combat, I heard Abyss is the best one, as it was a culmination of all the lessons they had learned from the previous PS2/Gamecube era games, but haven't played it yet to confirm.

>>1828003 Abyss is kinda 2D in the same vein that symphonia would be. Main fighting is a 2d grid but you also get 3d free run and dash attacks. (With crit stunlocks if you get hit while you freerun.) I do only recommend the stuff I've personally played and I never tried that psp port, so that's why I said the snes version. (I also tried the ps1 version but I found that to be just a worse experience overall.) Also I said grace was shounen tier, not the others. While the old 2d game usually had better stories, they were still pretty basic. Destiny has a lot of pacing issues and unexplained important stuff but it's still enjoyable even if the MC is retard tier.

>>1828053 >I do only recommend the stuff I've personally played Fair enough. >I said grace was shounen tier, not the others When I called Destiny's story shounen tier, it was just my personal assessment, not a counter argument. I was more going for a "even though the stories aren't great, they can still be enjoyable" which I think we both agree on. >even if the MC is retard tier I should preface by saying that I am playing the JP version, and I am not fluent, so some things might go over my head. Personally I enjoy the MC, yes he is a bit of a retard, but he fits right in with the story, maybe because it's from his perspective. I like how he clashes with some of the other characters like his sword, such as that one scene in the beginning, when he says something akin to "Whoah, I have a talking sword, it's like I am one of those Legendary Heroes", to which the swords retorts and calls him a dumbass. Plus he does mature a bit as he travels around the world, so it's not all that bad.

>>1169695 correct

I know there are controversies with the Xillia censorship, so I have to ask if Vesperia also had the same problems, or if the Definitive Edition is just the PS3 version but with better graphics? I tried searching online, and couldn't find anything, which is a good sign, but I just want to be sure.

>>1872648 Xillia was the first one to censor things in a remake. Vesperia DE is just the PS3 version with slightly better textures and all the costume dlc bundled in. Same with the Graces F remaster.

>>1872910 Thanks for the info anon.

>>1872648 >>1872910 Vesperia PC is missing some licensed costumes. Apparently mods can restore them though.

>>1872910 >Same with the Graces F remaster. That one is missing some DLC costumes, though. I think the Code Geass, Miku and im@s outfits arent in it.

>>1876028 >>1873587 Ah, so they're both missing licensed costumes. I didn't know that but it makes since, as there'd be some issues with getting the licenses again for some of those. Can probably be restored in much the same way as the Vesperia ones if it ever gets a PC port. Still, outside of those missing costumes the script, events, skits, etc, all were not censored with the remasters as far as I know. Xillia is the first one to do this and is a bad mark for any future ones, I'd say.

>>1139180 >the franchise peaked with Abyss So, the worst Tales ever will be called "Tales of the Peak"?

What Tales game has the best story? The only one I've played to the end was Phantasia, and while I liked its story, the ending felt rushed.

>>1892084 Vesperia because it has yuri.

>>1892084 From just what I've played, I'd say Abyss or Berseria - but Vesperia and Symphonia are pretty good too. Graces F is mid but not terrible, and Zestiria is pretty bad with Arise being absolute garbage. Xillia Remastered is coming out on Steam in a few days on the 30th, but you're probably better off just emulating the PS3 version. I've never played it, so I have no idea if it's worth your time.

>>1892084 Abyss 100% It doesn't hit all the marks but it's much higher in quality than the other games.

>>1892084 Vesperia > the Abyss > Graces > Xillia (the only ones I played)

>>1878060 >Xillia is the first one to do this and is a bad mark for any future ones, I'd say. I don't know, I think it's just an exception. The pipe could be equipped to Jude, Leia and Elize who are all underage. I don't think it's that big of a deal either way, but I don't feel like it's some sort of "beginning of the end" scenario.

>>1897427 It's a fucking prop they put on their face to look silly for fuck sake It's not a tobacco ad. It's a fucking prop in a video game. 0 valid reason to change this, like 99.5% of censorship

>>1897484 It IS censorship. No one said it wasn't Anon. The thing is that showing underage characters smoking or any sort of similar behavior that underage kids irl might imitate is simply a no-go for both PEGI and CERO, and in order to get their approval the pipe had to go, and you need their approval in order to ship physical copies of your game (not to mention storefront owners like Sony and Nintendo refuse to sell unrated games). In short the game had to be censored to make the most amount of money possible within the scope and expectations placed on this remaster.

>>1897484 >>1899002 And again, what I said in my original reply is that it's (probably?) more of an exception rather than a rule. I mean it IS the only cosmetic in the entire game that was censored. Whether it's censorship or not (again, it is) wasn't the topic of the conversation.

>>1899013 >I mean it IS the only cosmetic in the entire game that was censored. Are the panty shots in the alt costumes still in?

>>1899215 I'm not a panty hunter, but probably. The earliest pantyshot is Agria's like 30 minutes into the game, and she's underage in-universe, so the rest are probably in too.

>>1899955 Panty are work of the devil.

>>1900112 Hail Satan

They announced a Berseria remaster a few days ago that's legit a complete waste IMO. Well, the Switch release is nice, but no Switch 2. There's BC, I suppose...but yeah, no native version, apparently. I did hear Nintendo wasn't provided SW2 devkits or smth either way, Berseria is a poor choice IMO. they should've gone with idk, Xillia 2 or maybe even the Vita remakes

>>1954039 wasn't providing*

>>1954039 Should have done Phantasia Cross Edition