Quick question lads. I'm wondering what the most braindead class would be for a total newbie who doesn't want to do pvp? On Turtle WoW.

>>1705232 Hunter. I miss still being new to WoW and figuring out all the cool stuff you could do, like controlling a pet and using it to sneak around areas and finding different ones with unique abilities.

>>1702115 Update. I am a rogue. They pushed an update that made cloak of shadows do nothing, and vanish not remove snares and slows. I am logging off.

>>1705232 It's Hunter, Hunter is also good for PvP if you grab a boar.

>>1705768 That is really rough, I was kinda tempted to go and play warrior again but I might just have to give it a few months before they figure all this nonsense out.

>>1705364 >>1705926 How's dealing with ammunition, though? Not too troublesome?

>>1705232 DPS Warrior. The expectations that the average WoW classic player has of a DPS warrior is so low that not wiping the group by walking into stationary enemy groups is considered a legendary deed. Meaning that even if you're fucking clueless, other people will just see it as "oh that's just a normal DPS Warrior doing DPS Warrior things".

>>1707125 I never recall the cost of it being a big enough deal to care about, more so needing quivers to carry it all. That's why I originally took up leatherworking too since I wanted to see how self-sufficient I could be but you can always just get better ones on the AH. I also sort of miss how needing ammo would motivate you to keep an eye out for inns and traders around the world to stop in at to restock.

Took them long enough. Blizztard suing Turtle WoW.

>>1709784 Not only that, but they doxxed Shenna. Get fucked you psycopathic, cheating, dishonest, gold selling cunt. I hope Shenna rots in prison.

>>1709784 >>1709881 what is going on?

>>1709906 Short summary: >Shenna makes WoW private servers >Shenna sells gold on the private servers she runs, lets gold farmers and botters play on the servers she runs if they give her a cut >Shenna sells copies of other players' characters, most notably copying and selling an early R14 char on a fresh-ish server >Shenna changes her name to Torta to in an attempt to hide her past; makes Turtle WoW, which is classic+, something players REALLY WANT and Blizzard is allergic to doing >TWoW has a cash shop with minor P2W elements, but mostly cosmetics and pets >TWoW makes money hand over fist, Blizzard stuck player with their dicks >"you think you do, but you don't" happens >WoW hardcore gains in popularity, TWoW gets so popular that they have to open multiple servers, they have massive queues, they're making millions >WoW classic comes out and all of its iteration >TWoW is still popular, still putting out new content, and still growing despite WoW classic being a thing >TWoW starts to port the WoW engine to Unreal Engine 5, they start advertising on social media sites and they start paying influencers and streamers to promote their servers >Blizzard sues TWoW >you are here >Ascension is next, since they're doing the same shit as TWoW, also see >>1650797 they're Russians, so maybe not >Blizzard is 1000% developing a true classic+ experience As someone who hates Blizzard with a passion, I think they're doing a good thing by going after Turtle WoW. Fuck these private server assholes making millions and millions of dollars through gold selling and low effort cash shop, while attaching it to low quality content. Fuck'em. And fuck Blizzard too, but fuck people like Shenna more.

>>1709925 ah i see, reminds of stormforge, that now has a subscription gives you a bunch of bonuses and basically made their servers pay to win too. they did ally with turtle wow and were finishing a legion emulator that actually runs it without problems. maybe this torta fucker also has his/her finger in stormforge too? i was actually just waiting for the legion emulator to come out with all the fixes and shit and for it to get mainstream among servers to tip blizzard about stormforge.

I find it sad funny that Classic servers and Classic+ stuff is so popular since it proves that Blizzard has literally never been able to significantly improve upon the formula a bunch of guys came up with back in 2004.

>>1709925 >private servers she runs >she all I needed to know

>>1709925 >As someone who hates Blizzard with a passion, I think they're doing a good thing by going after Turtle WoW. Shenna's faggotry is like 1/1000th of the shit Blizzard lets happen on their servers, so I don't see your logic. Literally everything you described happens at 10x the rate on official servers. Official classic you can literally buy gold from Blizzard, the entire game is riddled with infinitely more bots than any private server I've ever seen and they never get banned. Not only that, but the Blizzard botters and gold sellers will coordinate to mass report you if you even slightly inconvenience them in any way and get your account insta banned. The scripts on Blizzard's servers are somehow even worse than stock mangos and are blatantly worse than the leaked nost core. The entire game is a recode made by outsourcing to retarded pajeets that only know how to program using AI trash. So "fuck people like Shenna more" makes zero sense to me. I don't even care about private servers and won't touch them with a 10 foot pole after blizzard's signature was cracked, but you're a total fucking retard if you think they are in any way shape or form more reprehensible than Blizzard themselves. Private servers are objectively better experiences in essentially every single possible way.

Why are you lot obsessed with this Shenna person's boipussy?

>>1718404 Damn bro I was already interested in the turtle wow drama, you didn't need to tell me it was important

>>1650797 >>1709925 >>Shenna sells gold >>Shenna sells copies of other players' characters >>predatory P2W server. Pay for extra professions style P2W You guys need to go after Gacha games with same passion. They are also predatory anime pictures salesmen.

>>1736405 This screams "Blizzard is working on Classic+". Their Season of Discovery was aimed at autistic raiders, which is the minority of their player base. Classic+ is aimed at the more casual crowd, whilst still giving the sweat lords something to gnaw on.

>>1736405 >dedicating years of your life towards a project only to get fucked because you were too stupid not to use burners, VPN's, and/or TOR Honestly hilarious. Normalfags just keep wasting their lives because they can't not use discord and reddit 24/7.

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>>1738830 Anon, you're delusional. SoD WAS Classic+. That is what they want out of it. This will be rebranded slop made by the same retail dev assholes that hate the old game. They've already announced they will be doing retail changes to the next TBC on Anni before it is even on the beta. Face the facts, Blizzard is dead, and the only reason they're going after every private server is so no one can even see the old game as it was. Without retail shit.

>>1754059 all the more reason to keep hosting azerothcore projects. Rub their failures in their faces.

>Blizzard is so incompetent at developing WOW they just release release Classic >People paid for it >Now they're re-releasing all of the expansions again, one at a time >People will pay for it Time is a flat circle.

>>1754517 Not Blizzard's fault there hasn't been a single developer to replicate WoW's gameplay loop, engine, and aesthetic since 2004. All anyone had to do was spend the last 20 years building their own game instead of reverse engineering Blizzard's, and it would have taken a 1/10th of the time investment.

>>1762205 >Not Blizzard's fault there hasn't been a single developer to replicate WoW's gameplay loop, engine, and aesthetic since 2004. What are you talking about? Most MMOs since WoW's release have been WoW clones? People just want a good game to sink their time into, a lot of WoW streamers are moving to OSRS and bringing people with them, at least for the time being. You are right about the point of building their own games though.

>>1762205 >>1762683 Point me to good networking tools for gaming. Show me the open source library that just works with something like godot. Give me some goddamn tools to work with I beg of you.

>>1762683 >What are you talking about? Most MMOs since WoW's release have been WoW clones? Trying to replicate something and successfully replicating something are not the same thing. Every "WoW clone" tried to iterate or expand on the absurdly simple premise and design of the game to "kill" it by being "better". They ironically never actually just straight up copy it, which is why the only thing that ever came close to threatening Blizzard was reverse engineered copies of their own game with minor tweaks and additions.

>>1762950 Didn't the FFXIV head honcho tell his devs to play WoW:WotLK and copy it? Square decided to murder the original version of FFXIV, and I heard the redesign was based off of WotLK. Considering the end result, that's what they did: meaningless open world, shitty story that revolves around lore characters instead of you the player adventuring, villains that pop up out of nowhere to monologue at you, piss easy shit dungeons where you AoE down anything that isn't a gimmick, dailies and weeklies coming out of your ass, leveling and level cap being separate games for intends and purposes, EPIC CINEMATIC MOMENTS, etc, etc.

>>1764486 >leveling and level cap being separate games for intends and purposes I only rarely played MMOs here and there but this fact has always annoyed me about their design. It makes sense to have a plethora of content for people who have already invested time into the game but it just seems so counterintuitive since you're practically locking off most of the content made by the devs. Maybe part of it is just that it became a thing due to Tigole and his gaggle of buttbudies driving the initial MMO meta.

>>1764519 It became "a thing" in TBC. >first problem Go to quest hub > pick up 5+ quests > go out and quest for 30 minutes > turn in everything and get follow ups. >second problem Expansion content is completely removed from the main game area. You only see expansion players (aka high level players) in capital cities. >little to no reason to for high level players to return to low level zones Ease of access to taxis/teleports, theme park zone design where every zone is a narrow level gap. It's a huge design issue that FFXI solved over 20 years ago. They had the brilliant idea to remove the need for alts by making one character be able to select every class, and by implementing the sub-class system where you were required to level a second class. For those who haven't played FFXI, once you hit level 18, you unlock a subclass system where you can get another class at half level of your main class. But you have to level that class up too. That meant lower level zones were always populated, it meant lower level gear was always in demand, it meant lower level crafting mats were always in demand, it meant new players could farm good money by selling low level crafting mats. Plus, some subclasses kinda required you to level its on subclass in order to be effective. Say you want to be a Bard, you'll usually want to have either White Mage or Ninja as your sub. But Bard is a worthless sub for White Mage and Ninja, so you'll want to level Red Mage for your White Mage, and Warrior for Ninja. And since FFXI is camp based instead of elite based, that means players can technically go everywhere to grind or group. Then WoW comes along and goes "yeah fuck that, just quest and never come back here". It sucks. Thankfully there's a resurgence of old school MMOs. Retail FFXI is actually having population growth, Old School Runescape is hitting record numbers, WoW classic and private servers are in high demand, Pantheon shoot itself in the foot but is still hobbling about, Monsters and Memories is coming out Q1 2026, and Adrullan Online (previously known as Evercraft) is years away from being done but captures that MMO magic so god damn well that it may explode in popularity if it keeps up with its development. On the flip side, Tarisland is dead, New World is dead, Throne and Liberty is dead, Lost Ark is dead (don't believe the steamcarts number, it's 80% bots), Ashes of Creation is a scam and it's never coming out, FFXIV are revolting and quitting in droves because the formula got stale and the new expansion was dogshit, Guild Wars 2 just cruising along, and WoW can't get new players. Chrono Odyssey is DOA (the open beta weekend was horrible, devs were openly caught lying and stealing assets), Archeage Chronicles is DOA (published by Kakao, not a real MMO), Aion 2 is DOA (mobile crossplay, spell effect vomit, P2W garbage), Project Ghost is going to be a joke (made by the guy that directed WotLK and spent however many years making the Riot MMO), Bellatores is DOA (korean slop P2W slop), Lord of the Rings is DOA (made by Amazon Game Studio, the same team as New World), Guild Wars 3 is pozzed on arrival, Corepunk is doomed (incompetent devs), and finally Pax Dei is a scam and not a real MMO. That leaves Stars Reach (by the UO/SWG people), Ragnarok Online 3 (maybe good if they don't go P2W), Drakantos (fun for a month?) in the "may be decent" category. Long story short: WoW clones are dead as fuck.

>>1764486 Sure XIV's success is mostly because it came as close as possible to replicating WoW, but it still doesn't have the basic aesthetic and gameplay engine anywhere near what vanilla is like. The most basic things in vanilla WoW like shooting an arrow at a mob have weight to them. You see each individual arrow flying, the health chunking away, it's readable and telegraphed. XIV your first spell is some rainbow puke magical arrow shit where the animation is completely disjointed from your character and weapon.

Who has the pic of shenna's tits? i know her face and tits were leaked during Elysium era before Light's hope, alongside the crogge animation vids lmao I wanna spam them on the turtle discord and forums

Since the site appears to be dead I'll ask you guys. Did they butcher caster druid by making tree/moonkin mandatory? I really like the hybrid caster role and Shift -> cast -> Shift adds so much mana cost that fluidly swapping priorities in a fight is NEVER worth doing when forms are actually important.