>>1608763 I can't create an account though...?

>>1608804 Looks like they've temporarily disabled new accounts while they deal with the current playerbase. Here's the Discord: https://discord.com/channels/729423227373355040/996364379249459221 Like I said, the launch is going about as well as expected lol. The first few days are sure to be like this. If you're interested, I'd suggest downloading the client and Epoch updater, which you can do without making an account, so they're ready when the game is actually playable.

Oh damn they did a realm reset.

>>1608913 nvm lol

>>1608763 >lvl 60 but with lvl 70 spells and talents Interesting. Did they add resil on the pvp gear?

The devs are considering a temporary round-robin queue by timezone. I hope they get this worked out soon.

>>1609189 yes and they got rid of regular vanilla ranking there's now daily pvp objectives that net you a currency to buy gear and arena coming in a few months I'm gonna chill and play that aspect of the server a bit

You shill your trash everywhere, on twow and in here. Nobody wants to play your garbage with servers that crash because of incompetence

>>1613664 >Nobody wants to play your garbage with servers that crash because of incompetence Then why are there literally thousands waiting in queue? This game is heroin. I'm avoiding this drug. It's bad game design anyway, a good MMO shouldn't be about "being the first to XYZ" and then when enough people get to max level the server's population plummets to nothing like when feminism and dating apps are introduced to a population.

Eh I'll pass. This game is 20 years old by now, I probably played every expansion up to Cataclysm in 50 or more private servers. Recommend me a Dragon Nest private server instead. Now THAT was the shit.

gonna try playing holy paladin in pvp for the first time looks like a meme but I think it could be a solid offensive support spec slap on the orc racial set to annoy everyone with 25% stun resist

>>1616620 >holy pld in pvp >no holy shock >no holy guidance >no divine illumination You're giving up your only ability to heal while moving, a BIG chunk of spellpower, and your only burst cd doing this. I'll confess I only ran hpld in wotlk but this looks like suffering. Block talents are worthless on hpld, you won't have the str to support blocking and nobodies going to try hitting you from the front in pvp anyway. >solid offensive support hpld has notoriously bad offensive options, especially in earlier expansions. 6sec cd on shock, you've got no str and a 1h, only 1 cc ability, and exo doesn't even work on players. Hpld wins fights by just never fucking ooming, not by direct pressure. Maybe there was a meta shift, maybe I'm misremembering things, maybe epoch changed more than I realize, but I'd really advise checking out some other builds and double checking the talent changes to be safe.

Is it RP friendly?

MMOs are immensely boring

>>1617041 I'm studying tbc pvp videos to see how they play holy shock does seem very important to assist warriors on damage and breaking priest shields quick to start rage gaining I get the feeling warlocks are going to be nuts they have the usual sl/sl spec and received UA ontop of that now you can't even safely dispel all their aids anymore

>>1617267 ah nvm there's isn't enough talent points to take both SL and UA they placed it exactly deep enough they have to make a choice more dps or more tankyness that's cool

>>1616620 Improved Righteous Fury is mandatory for PVP, it's a flat 6% damage reduction. Pursuit of Justice isn't worth it, you're only moving 7% faster than other people in exchange for 13 talent points. Holy Guidance is an OP talent in general, but especially for PVP where you stack stats over spellpower. This is what I ended up with: https://www.project-epoch.net/classes/talents?data=1;0:6:6:6:6:6:0:0:0:0:0:2:4:4:4:13:13:20:20:8:8:8:8:8:1:10:10:10:15:15:3:3:16:16:16:11:18:18:18:18:18:19;1:0:0:0:0:0:4:4:14:14:2:10:10:10:9:12:12:12:15:15:11 Not sure how to squeeze 3/3 Improved HoJ of Justice into this

>>1617267 >>1617277 The real nightmare with tbc talents and resil (or rather, the wall) is going to be rdruid/war in 2s. Its easy to run and incredibly strong. Warrior is incredibly sticky, has a fair bit of cc and defensives, and there's no cure for mortal strike debuff. Druids have an obscene amount of mobility (and manaburn protection) via shapeshifting, and can easily outlast if the warrior is smart and uses defensives to give the druid a chance to kite and drink. As hpld at minimum you need to lure the warrior back to force the druid into the open. Ideally, you run with a ranged dps so you can cleave them both (hpld/lock teams) but just target switching and forcing him to constantly restack hots will oom him if you can't get a consistent cc chain for pressure. You'll spend a lot of mana cleansing roots off if your dps is melee but at least they supposedly have freedom not overwriting your regular buffs now. Your next biggest threat is priest/anything. If your dps doesn't pressure them hard enough, you will get manaburned to death. This is especially a problem vs priest/rogue- the rogue can do whatever he wants for about 15-20 secs at a time if he goes all out and gets a lucky interrupt off, giving the priest plenty of time to have his way with you. You can try to LoS/kite him around, but he has much better healing while moving than you do. Pro tip: if you're a real gamer you can pop hand of sacrifice on your dps proactively and the damage redirection will break blind/sap. Also works for mages with sheep. Again, not a gladiator ranked player, just speaking from experience. I honestly would be tempted to play again, but holy fuck is rdruid/war such cancer >>1617610 This guy knows whats up. I think overwhelming light MIGHT be good for bg grinding depending on how its implemented (i wouldn't trust the tooltip for a private server), but i'd swap to something else for arenas. Obviously swap the hit rating talent around in the prot tree depending on your gear. Lay on Hands might not be enabled/allowed in arenas so thats another 2 points to play with.

Update incoming. You think there's any chance this will be playable by August?

Here's a summary of their latest update: The Project Epoch team is addressing server stability issues due to an unexpectedly high launch demand of over 30,000 concurrent players. They've formed a Launch Council with 12 modding community experts, split into two teams: >Optimization Team: Focused on improving server performance by migrating core and database infrastructure to Linux Debian, enabling tools like Memory and Thread Sanitizer for better stability. They identified a major database issue and are tackling memory-related challenges, aiming to support 5,000–7,000 concurrent players per realm. >Multirealm Team: Developing a backup plan to split realms (e.g., Kezan and Kezan 2) as a temporary solution if optimizations fall short. These sub-realms would share character and guild data, with plans to merge them later. They may also open a third realm if login queues persist. The team is collaborating with WoW modding experts, making hourly progress, and will provide daily updates. The server will be periodically online for testing, with no specific relaunch timeline yet.

>>1617874 >migrating core and database infrastructure to Linux Debian Were they actually hosting on windows? I know a lot of the dev tools 'just work' on windows, but holy shit lmao. I would get doing that if you're hosting for double digit playercounts and just dont give a fuck, but they deserve some bullying for trying that with such a big crowd. >They identified a major database issue Thats actually interesting, I'm curious what they found. >30k players Yeah thats probably not gonna fly on a single server, but worse still those numbers will tank after the first few months. Then they'll have to merge everything back together. What a fucking nightmare. We really need to just spin up our own server one of these days

Wake me when they reopen registration

>>1618549 The server was also single-threaded until they started working on this optimization stuff. I'm convinced they're retarded

>>1619946 >single threaded wow server for 30k people

Looks like the shitcord is in full lockdown, every single channel hasn't had a non jannie/staff post in 5 days, fucking incredible

>can't sign up >discord on full lockdown is this dead already?

It seems they're gonna hold a vote on wipe or not, what's your stance?

the race discussions channel in the shitcord doesn't have the ability to create threads with a custom title disabled, if you wanna say something and get timed out for a day go there

Latest updates say servers will randomly come up after the launcher gets patched. When's the launcher supposed to get patched? >>1616620 Sucks. >>1617267 The amount of dmg Holy Shock does is insignificant. Every Priest will engage with their PWS up and their Weakened Soul about to fade. This is especially true against a Warrior. Your Holy Shock means diddly squat against that. Here let me put it this way: if the Priest stood still and simply wanded you down, kept up Inner Fire, and cast PWS on cooldown, you'd struggle to break his PWS without Consecration spam. >>1617610 For BGs I'd actually recommend going down to Sanctuary, as it massively cuts down Rogue/Enh Shaman/Hunter/pet damage. >>1617683 No Stormherald will make Warriors far weaker than they were in TBC. Far more difficult to stay on target without the mighty Stunherald carrying them. You'd be astonished how helpless the average gladiator Warrior is without their precious stunnystunny hammy. Espcially on private servers where the average player still is several orders of magnitude worse than on WoW classic servers.

>>1608763 >Undead Paladin ?

Trying to make a pvp rogue spec that isn't literally the same as everyone else makes me want to kill my self. Hemo swords bores me to sleep and I want to be the snowflake who uses backstab, but the only reasonable way to play backstab is combat which means no prep no shadowstep. The amount of spec into subtlety or fuck off rail roading in rogue is disgraceful >>1636529 >undead priest ?

>>1637228 The way they justified undead priest is by saying all of the mare shado priests. PC with a holy undead priest isn't canon. Undead paladin is fucking stupid though. no excuse for that.

>>1637288 That's a weak justification for undead priests as well and every one knows it, you can't just pretend all undead priests are exclusively shadow. it's pretty clearly been established that forsaken are unique to undead and it shouldn't be so strange that an undead paladin be possible.

What's the verdict. This worth jumping into to get my WoW fix, or another flavor of the month blackjack and hookers server.

>>1638677 we don't fucking know because the server isn't online, they're desperately trying to run this shit after getting 30k+ players, registration is offline and the shitcord is in literally 2 hour slow mode.

It was shadow dropped for 10 minutes, then went down because of floating NPCs but they'll fix it real fast :) it never came back up, now they're saying that was actually just a test and it's going to take more time because one of the key devs suddenly has a family emergency. We've officially left the territory of typical MMO launch shit show and entered the devs are over their head and blatantly lieing clown show

Who else /lostallhope/ in here?

>>1637311 There were those Blizzcon panels where they explained that the Forsaken Priests can use their Willpower to use the Light but it fucking hurts as hell.

>>1641955 >server started with the devs gaslighting the users clearly my pattern recognition and years of dealing with shitty devs are wrong and this time it will be different, right guys?

>>1645320 >Who else /lostallhope/ in here? Me. Multiple devs and mods have already quit. It's obvious that it's not launching any time soon. TurtleWoW's fresh server launches on the 17th. If Epoch can't launch before then, the Epoch devs may as well noose themselves. On that note, I do not recommend playing TurtleWoW for the following reasons: 1) Pay 2 Win, there are 36 slot bags in the donation shop 2) Class balance is a mess, Paladins are unkillable gods in PvP 3) The admins actively read guild chat/whispers and will ban you for wrongthink

>>1647504 <3) The admins actively read guild chat/whispers and will ban you for wrongthink Imagine being so much of a fucking loser in your life that you shit down and review every fucking whisper and messages in your private server because you can't fathom people having a different opinion and ideology than you do. Is there actually a private wow server that's not dogshit or p2w trash and has a decent playerbase?

>>1645320 >>1647504 Even if it launches this week, it won't be a viable, long term server. The leadership is clearly too arrogant and incompetent to keep a server of this magnitude functioning without all the current problems spiraling out of control. A whole lot of inflated ego, but no self-reflection.

>>1636529 >Undead Paladins They're called Death Knights, what a bunch of retards

Reminder that every private server is entirely capable of remote code execution on your machine and literally all it takes is for a rogue dev or someone to hack their server to completely rape your machine. Which literally happened to turtleWoW and everyone just forget about it a week later.

>We have entered into an agreement with Ascension WoW to move to infrastructure built and maintained by Ascension's server team. Lmao, they sold themselves to Ascension. I wonder how much they got

>>1650692 For those unaware, Ascension is a predatory P2W server. Pay for extra professions style P2W.

>>1637228 >>1637288 >>1637311 >>1646193 Priests are masters of light and shadow magic, like mages are masters of frost, fire and arcane magic. More importantly, they focus on flowing that magic between the two states (that'd be Discipline) and it doesn't necessarily use their body as a vessel for it. Priests aren't inherently agents of the light or the shadow even if some take up that mantle. Paladins only use the light, and they use their bodies as vessels for it. They are completely dedicated and zealous. Undead Paladins don't make any sense, much like the "lightforged" nu-blizzard pulled out of their ass. More importantly, it looks stupid.

test is up, launch is tomorrow so they say :^) https://8chan.tv/view/7f0f8209-4f95-4591-89ca-403e704f75b2/

Got to 20. The custom quests are mostly pretty miss since they seem to be tuned around a server with 2k pop due to annoying design like "kill 5 bears but there's only 5 bear spawn total and there's 20 ppl trying to do the quest" or "the quest NPC dies when you turn in the quest so only 1 person can complete every 5 minutes". Bunch of them are straight up bugged. One of the server's selling points was increased world difficulty, but a large amount of mobs are missing key abilities, most notable is that pretty much every healer mob doesn't actually heal. Also did Deadmines, everyone was 19+. The place is super overtuned, every boss was doing a ton of dmg and had a ton of health. Healer was oom at 40% for every boss. Loot isn't updated and we got green drops from every boss. One new boss, every boss is slightly different except for Smite who's a completely different fight. The updated fights were pretty fun, which is a rare positive for this server. There's a lot more trash to clear, and there's a lot of whackyness with trash with some mobs not doing social aggro properly, aggro range. And of course, aggroing mobs through the wall on the ship. Overall, I'm not impressed.

And I'm done. This server has too many bugs to be enjoyable. About 70% to 80% of the mobs have multiple missing abilities or they aren't using their abilities properly. Healer mobs are the worst ones so far with them either not healing, or only healing when they're at 10%, or being able to heal other nearby mobs you're fighting while they themselves are out of combat. Ran into a mob that was using abilities while stunned. Tons of mobs have aggro ranges so bad you can run on top of them without pulling.

LVL 42, total played time 4 days 21 hours I'm having fun just doing the classic leveling process and pvp but everything remains broken, hit tables are supposedly wrong, causing more misses than usual, especially on level difference targets. Included in new gear is leveling pvp gear you can buy or upgrade every 10 levels in exchange for warsong gulch marks. The gear is overtuned with every piece having -1% pvp damage taken, and the chest and pants giving a -2% pvp damage taken with out skimping out on stamina and primary stat. This has created the cancer druid in battlegrounds, druid is already both tanky and nearly impossible to pin down, so what druids are doing is wearing 6 different sets of pvp gear to get the 2 set bonus of -2% pvp damage multiple times, making them both the fastest, and most unkillable flag carriers of WSG, making the means of even getting the pvp extremely unejoyable. Off the top of my head rogue poisons are overwriting each other meaning you can only use one type of poison that causes a debuff, paladins seal of justice has been intentionally disabled due to some 'critical bug,' hunter pets are doing enough damage to solo any class 1v1, but their disengage is non functional. Multiple important talents are non functional including shatter, master of deception, most of the hunter survival tree, affliction damage talents, and impossible to tell countless others. This server has so many good ideas of custom content that it got it's population on promise a lone, though it's not yet in decline if things don't change course the server will crash harder than the tortanic. Maybe it's my own sunk cost falacy but I want to at least hit 60 before I give up, and many feel the same as what custom content there is was still really nice, the full redesigns of wailing caverns and deadmines were really good, and things like updates to multiple reputation systems with new content like ravenholdt rewarding a fake chest you can place that casts aoe fear when opened are great ideas I want to see fully pan out, but as always, the quests to even trade in syndicate marks to get ravenholdt rep is literally broken. Every on this server is just really good ideas and content, that just doesn't fucking function properly, and we all wish it did.

Quick question lads. I'm wondering what the most braindead class would be for a total newbie who doesn't want to do pvp? On Turtle WoW.

>>1705232 Hunter. I miss still being new to WoW and figuring out all the cool stuff you could do, like controlling a pet and using it to sneak around areas and finding different ones with unique abilities.

>>1702115 Update. I am a rogue. They pushed an update that made cloak of shadows do nothing, and vanish not remove snares and slows. I am logging off.

>>1705232 It's Hunter, Hunter is also good for PvP if you grab a boar.

>>1705768 That is really rough, I was kinda tempted to go and play warrior again but I might just have to give it a few months before they figure all this nonsense out.

>>1705364 >>1705926 How's dealing with ammunition, though? Not too troublesome?

>>1705232 DPS Warrior. The expectations that the average WoW classic player has of a DPS warrior is so low that not wiping the group by walking into stationary enemy groups is considered a legendary deed. Meaning that even if you're fucking clueless, other people will just see it as "oh that's just a normal DPS Warrior doing DPS Warrior things".

>>1707125 I never recall the cost of it being a big enough deal to care about, more so needing quivers to carry it all. That's why I originally took up leatherworking too since I wanted to see how self-sufficient I could be but you can always just get better ones on the AH. I also sort of miss how needing ammo would motivate you to keep an eye out for inns and traders around the world to stop in at to restock.

Took them long enough. Blizztard suing Turtle WoW.

>>1709784 Not only that, but they doxxed Shenna. Get fucked you psycopathic, cheating, dishonest, gold selling cunt. I hope Shenna rots in prison.

>>1709784 >>1709881 what is going on?

>>1709906 Short summary: >Shenna makes WoW private servers >Shenna sells gold on the private servers she runs, lets gold farmers and botters play on the servers she runs if they give her a cut >Shenna sells copies of other players' characters, most notably copying and selling an early R14 char on a fresh-ish server >Shenna changes her name to Torta to in an attempt to hide her past; makes Turtle WoW, which is classic+, something players REALLY WANT and Blizzard is allergic to doing >TWoW has a cash shop with minor P2W elements, but mostly cosmetics and pets >TWoW makes money hand over fist, Blizzard stuck player with their dicks >"you think you do, but you don't" happens >WoW hardcore gains in popularity, TWoW gets so popular that they have to open multiple servers, they have massive queues, they're making millions >WoW classic comes out and all of its iteration >TWoW is still popular, still putting out new content, and still growing despite WoW classic being a thing >TWoW starts to port the WoW engine to Unreal Engine 5, they start advertising on social media sites and they start paying influencers and streamers to promote their servers >Blizzard sues TWoW >you are here >Ascension is next, since they're doing the same shit as TWoW, also see >>1650797 they're Russians, so maybe not >Blizzard is 1000% developing a true classic+ experience As someone who hates Blizzard with a passion, I think they're doing a good thing by going after Turtle WoW. Fuck these private server assholes making millions and millions of dollars through gold selling and low effort cash shop, while attaching it to low quality content. Fuck'em. And fuck Blizzard too, but fuck people like Shenna more.

>>1709925 ah i see, reminds of stormforge, that now has a subscription gives you a bunch of bonuses and basically made their servers pay to win too. they did ally with turtle wow and were finishing a legion emulator that actually runs it without problems. maybe this torta fucker also has his/her finger in stormforge too? i was actually just waiting for the legion emulator to come out with all the fixes and shit and for it to get mainstream among servers to tip blizzard about stormforge.

I find it sad funny that Classic servers and Classic+ stuff is so popular since it proves that Blizzard has literally never been able to significantly improve upon the formula a bunch of guys came up with back in 2004.

>>1709925 >private servers she runs >she all I needed to know

>>1709925 >As someone who hates Blizzard with a passion, I think they're doing a good thing by going after Turtle WoW. Shenna's faggotry is like 1/1000th of the shit Blizzard lets happen on their servers, so I don't see your logic. Literally everything you described happens at 10x the rate on official servers. Official classic you can literally buy gold from Blizzard, the entire game is riddled with infinitely more bots than any private server I've ever seen and they never get banned. Not only that, but the Blizzard botters and gold sellers will coordinate to mass report you if you even slightly inconvenience them in any way and get your account insta banned. The scripts on Blizzard's servers are somehow even worse than stock mangos and are blatantly worse than the leaked nost core. The entire game is a recode made by outsourcing to retarded pajeets that only know how to program using AI trash. So "fuck people like Shenna more" makes zero sense to me. I don't even care about private servers and won't touch them with a 10 foot pole after blizzard's signature was cracked, but you're a total fucking retard if you think they are in any way shape or form more reprehensible than Blizzard themselves. Private servers are objectively better experiences in essentially every single possible way.

Why are you lot obsessed with this Shenna person's boipussy?

>>1718404 Damn bro I was already interested in the turtle wow drama, you didn't need to tell me it was important