How do you people defend $100-$500 skin bundles and other scummy shit modern games do but turn your noses at gachas with $5 monthly passes? I just can't understand that logic

>>1694996 Getting enough gacha currency for a guaranteed pull/spark can also cost a few hundred dollars. As for your question, I guess a skinner box is not viewed as badly as a slot machine, as it doesn't create gambling addicts.

>>1693893 >no gachaslop >all cosmetics I fucking kneel.

>>1694996 A 100$ skin is not only irrelevant to the gameplay itself but also cheaper than a single character + weapon in an average gachashit, those games also usually make you build an entire team so multiply it by however many slots there are, yet another venue is copies of characters and gear which can multiply the base cost up to 20x, now consider the fact that powercreep is everpresent and start the cycle all over again

New story trailer. Still nothing about the monetization or how big the grind will be, but only a month left for the release. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=X3sCWQTgoZ0

>>1694259 >what's wrong with paying 100$ for skins I wish I could flay you alive, heathen. You and your kind have done irreparable damage to gaming, and I hate you for it.

Don't want to make a new thread for this. Ananta also went the same way DNA did. The gacha game is no longer the gacha, you unlock characters through playing and all character gacha is removed, you can pay to reduce grind and buy cosmetics. https://www.famitsu.com/article/202509/53241 >By playing, you can recruit all playable characters. >Monetization is for customization elements like clothing, vehicles, DIY, etc. >This week's Weekly Famitsu features it on the cover and in a special It's like chinese GTA https://youtu.be/uYejjuRrLzw?

>>1748179 lol what's the issue, if you don't like it just ignore it :^)

>>1781455 >chinese GTA Yeah, no strip clubs, no shooting random people on the street/running them over with a car, no foul language, no drugs, no police corruption and zero references to the triads.

>>1781455 >>Monetization is for customization elements like clothing, vehicles, DIY, etc. So the 90% of the reason people play GTA online servers.

>>1781455 >>1782482 The "chinese GTA" title belongs for Sleeping Dogs

>>1693893 >>1781455 Is there any reason they are investing in this model recently? I know games like Warframe and League of Legends do, but did they feel it was safer than actual gacha? Did something happen?

>>1782759 They are trying to emulate Marvel Rivals.

>>1782759 Gacha market is overly saturated having one suddenly come and say they are ditching the characters gachas is different and new thing it brings a lot of free exposure to them,the online gaming market like MMO has been in decline too so they are trying to capture that public too.

>>1782759 Has gacha every come under fire for the same legal issues Fortnite and similar have for being what amounts to gambling simulators?

>>1781455 To be honest, I was dreading that it'd be another gacha slop. Fact is, this market has been rapidly evolving since the release of Genshin Impact, both in terms of story and gameplay, and it really sucks that they'll put in all this work and create a game that looks extremely appealing, only for me to spot that cash shop icon in the top left/right corner in the gameplay trailer and immediately be disappointed. I ignore anything 'hoyo' for explicitly this reason. I don't get involved in gacha. >>1782759 It's not just those games too, its also similar to the monetization model of Helldivers and Fortnite. This works a bit off of the consumer good will too. You have the people who don't give a shit about skins- they're nearly completely unaffected by the monetization model and will promote it as a excellent free game. You have the people who care a lot about skins- they're usually the type to pay for shit in the aforementioned games anyways and would be the target market. Either way by creating a genuinely good game and setting, you entrap a market who is there for your game only. It is exclusive, and that is a golden monetization opportunity. No different from Disney making infinity money off of childhood capeshit. Shit, by a certain extent it's also the monetization strategy of FF14. FF14 also makes money through other means, but they've admitted that the mostly cosmetic cash shop is a large source of revenue >>1783135 Yes. I think the EU has already passed laws? It's made every new-gen gacha starting with Hoyo's slop start a new gacha model entirely based off of "extreme" pity. Night and day difference between it and, say, Fate/ Grand Order. It's not too far fetched that a few conversations have happened in board rooms with the lot at the top realizing that if they keep pushing that business model it'll be ruined. It's only good business sense to anticipate government movements.

>>1782759 Too many gacha shit, too little whales probably.

>>1783365 Pretty much, its hard to get people to invest in new gacha when they already have other games they are playing. Its really funny seeing people freak out that there isnt a gacha anymore and learning they actually have to play the game for once.

>>1783135 The only one I know, was in Japan, that forced companies to disclose actual rates for each individual character. Before you only knew you had a 3% chance to get an SSR character, but now you are also told how much of that 3% is for the banner character, and how much is for all the other SSR characters who are not on the banner.

>>1795587 >Its really funny seeing people freak out that there isnt a gacha anymore and learning they actually have to play the game for once. And then they would pay for aim bots or macros that bypasses the anti cheat, and it would cost them as much as the banner characters if it was a gacha. It would be funny, and ironic.

>>1693893 In one hand I'm interested, especially because warframe became utter goyslop, but on the other hand I find it hard to care about "live service" games anymore which just translate to having a second job, especially because it's chink made.

>>1694379 >I don't even know how mainland chinks spend so much on multiple gacha games there Their "real games" market is effectively dead aside from imported japanese PS5s and dota/league of legends.

>>1782759 Hoyoslop basically crashed the 3D action gacha bubble with no survivors, the only money to be made at this point is off industry inertia before the boat sinks.

These new monetization schemes have to prove themselves first with their gameplay loop and content cadence first before they can squeeze money out of people.

TGS showcased a playable cunny and some more gameplay >>1798489 I'm hopeful, I'm tired of dooming all the time I want to feel hope, this will be decent

>>1798489 >>1799921 >fifa football players, but for weeaboos >WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo

>>1782759 These bigger studios definitely made projections and realized that most whales won't spend money on anything but Homoverse games or whatever they're already regularly spending on but if they bait people and manage to fleece them another way it's all good.

>>1798444 Could you please explain how? I have never touched chinese gacha, out of my hatred for the chinks, I am only touched gook and jap gacha :^) so I am out of the loop. Is there also a reason why the Japanese, seemingly didn't try to make their own 3D open world gacha, that is also available worldwide? I always expected Granblue to have such a spinoff. >>1799921 >TGS showcased a playable cunny <pic unrelated

>>1800011 >I always expected Granblue to have such a spinoff. There is one but its a real game instead, relink

>>1800077 >real game >relink

>>1800011 Genshin Impact has a defacto monopoly despite coasting with minimal reinvestment compared to the billions the game raked in. Then the same company made Zenless Zone Zero which is much more niche and less succesful. Perfect World has a gacha MMO Tower of Fantasy and Tencent owns majority stake in a company that made PGR and eventually Wuthering Waves which is supposed to be Genshin but post-apo and better combat. Again both of these are much smaller than Genshit. Cygames were smarter than a lot of chink devs that had to shutdown their games in the first year and release Relink as a single player game with optional co-op for a retail price and microtransactions on top. Now there's a wave of ~10 games coming in near future that are going to compete with these and each other so they have to pivot somehow and get some PR points while doing so.

>>1800077 I am ware of Relink, but I mean more in rebooting the gacha, but now in a 3D world. Redo some of the stories, and side-events, by taking the best of the best, and resetting all the power-creep, back to year 1. >>1800090 Yes Relink is a real game. It's a standalone single-player game, with some optional Co-Op elements.

>>1800090 Relink is a real game anon, what the fuck are you on about?

>>1800011 >Could you please explain how? Picrel. >I am only touched gook Gonna guess that translates to "I'm a BAb" because other gook gacha basically don't exist. > Is there also a reason why the Japanese, seemingly didn't try to make their own 3D open world gacha, that is also available worldwide? Because it's unsustainable and at the point you are sinking that much money into a game you are better off making it a real game instead of shackling your entire company to the GAAS treadmill. Japan always knew gachaslop are always cash grab games and acted accordingly while making real games, only recently chinks seem to have gotten the memo and at least turned their new releases into MMOlites. And of course gooks are retarded and always and have made like 2 real games in nearly 3 decades.

>>1805337 >literal feminists infiltrating MHY to sabotage waifufags, culminating 2 or so years ago on one rather anticipated character getting utterly shit on and nerfed to uselessness just because she was an attractive female What character is this referring to? And by feminist infiltrators he means the korean dyke concept artist or is there more?

>>1805503 the only one i can recall being completely dogshit is dehya