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Great series with iffy first entries Anonymous 09/18/2025 (Thu) 21:27:37 Id: 7b4390 No. 1765127

>Just Cause Less iffy and more downright bad, many JC fans have never played or even seen the first game in the series, leading to the joke "Just Cause starts at 2". Buggy, empty, repetitive, janky, did I mention buggy? Because it is SO buggy, it's bugging out absolutely all the time at every moment, there is never a period where this game is not struggling to keep itself from collapsing; vehicles that don't work, physics that don't work, explosives that glitch more often than they function, NPCs that can't stop themselves from killing their own, a camera that frequently finds itself under the map. Realizing the enormous scale of the map will strike you with awe the first time you play it, and the gameplay will ensure there's no second time. >Arena While having some very cool elements and a fun spell creation system, TES1 is an odd and obviously slap dashed game that went through wild development swings. The dungeons are infamously a mess and it's so unbalanced towards magic that playing a non-spellcasting class is effectively challenge mode. It struggles from a lack of real content beyond procgen dungeon crawling, and while it is fun for a dungeon crawler from the era, there are better in the genre. The sequel improves upon it in every way. >Codename 47 Just not fun. If you've played C47 you know it's terrible, shocking it ever got a sequel let alone turning into one of gaming's premier stealth franchises. Beyond the very toybox-esque levels you'd expect for a game from 2000, everything about it feels unpleasant and it's frequently very difficult in a bad way, even the camera is in an awkward position. Most of the hits aren't well designed and some appear literally impossible to do stealthily. C47 also commits one of the worst sins of a stealth game: the AI is wildly inconsistent and hard to predict.

Anonymous 09/18/2025 (Thu) 22:56:01 Id: 323869 No. 1765302

>>1765295 >oof

Anonymous 09/18/2025 (Thu) 22:57:03 Id: 323869 No. 1765303

>>1765226 >MegaMan >Resident Evil >Dino Crisis This has to be bait

Anonymous 09/18/2025 (Thu) 23:05:30 Id: 81af06 No. 1765319

>>1765291 >I didn't even try 4 >2 at least had an excuse considering it was rushed out the ass Apparently it was the sequel to 2 but with denuvo added on top of being rushed to damnation. Think it was one of the few games Squeenix kept when they sold off Eidos. You best hope they don't start shoving other IPs into Kingdom Hearts whenever they get around to crapping out more.

Anonymous 09/18/2025 (Thu) 23:38:40 Id: a78e83 No. 1765380

Anonymous 09/19/2025 (Fri) 00:05:56 Id: 66d943 No. 1765437

>>1765262 Maybe it's because Sonic 1 had a really good first stage but the rest of the game was ass. That and they weren't confident that the hardware could handle it so they probably played it safe for 99% of the game.

Anonymous 09/19/2025 (Fri) 00:36:52 Id: 67b5a9 No. 1765505

>>1765262 Sonic 1 being so meh lead to that period where every hack journo said "SONIC WAS NEVER GOOD" during Sonic's dark age, which is obviously fucking nonsense to anybody who played the series pre-2002. It's just that Sonic 1 is no fun at all unless you already know the levels and know how to zoom around them. >>1765437 As much as Sonic fans make fun of it, there's a reason they focus on Green Hill Zone so much. Sonic 1 is just a really fucking awkward platformer. On that note, Super Mario Bros also feels a little awkward, those controls are not the direction the genre went, but the levels are designed around it so it's not a big hassle.

Anonymous 09/19/2025 (Fri) 00:57:26 Id: 7858a0 No. 1765535

Less iffy and more so unrefined but the first Megaman zero would probably fit. The basic gameplay is solid and the bosses are good but it still does strange things, like forgoing stage selection in favor of an interconnected map. Even the in game portraits have a really sketchy like feel no other MMZ game had since >>1765262 >And oh yeah, making you go back for a fourth act of Labyrinth Zone right at the end of the game sucks. Fuck Labyrinth Zone. It's not the only reason Sonic 1 pales in comparison to the later games, but I keep finding that many of my complaints relate to it. Never forget Sonic 1 devs originally wanted Labyrinth Zone to be the second zone after green hill at first, yeah that would been fucked if they went through it.

Anonymous 09/19/2025 (Fri) 04:37:17 Id: 47d541 No. 1766008

>>1765535 Mega Man Zero also had grindan to relearn and expand Zero's moveset, which thematically made sense, but was such a turnoff for most it was gone by Z3.

Anonymous 09/19/2025 (Fri) 06:56:26 Id: 902ce1 No. 1766232

Age of Empires 1. It was downright primitive (heh) compared to AoE2. Still interesting and worth trying, but the difference is night and day imo. Also, I can't really speak to them personally, but at least from an aesthetic perspective, Homm1 and Warcraft 1 were very rudimentary compared to their sequels and that turns me off from playing them to begin with.

Anonymous 09/19/2025 (Fri) 12:00:02 Id: 2670ce No. 1767349

>Rayman The game looks and sounds great, but it's held back by how shockingly unforgiving it can be at times. Combine this with excessive backtracking & long, boring levels (such as all of Picture City) and you end up with a game you likely won't finish unless you're a real Rayman fan. Most people tend to pick on the fact that the game was never properly tested and all, but almost as bad are the file naming system (why do you only get 3 letters?), drip-feeding of powers, Rayman's poor attack options, and having to wait a trillion years before you can attack bosses whom have very high health, the latter two problems making the game way harder than it should be. >Metroid There are only two good things about the first Metroid: 1. The music; 2. It lead to Super Metroid. >>1765535 >Even the in game portraits have a really sketchy feel like no other MMZ game had since One of my favorite things about the game, I must say. Despite its unfair difficulty at least the game has some top-notch artwork to go along with it.

Anonymous 09/19/2025 (Fri) 14:26:44 Id: a9d575 No. 1767631

>>1767349 >>1765236 >Highly Responsive to Prayers >NEStroid YOU TAKE THAT BACK!! ...To be fair, though, those two are really great games when you take the moment to give them a chance and learn to move around their setbacks. Sure, they are weaker compared to most in their series, but at least you can have a blast with them.

Anonymous 09/19/2025 (Fri) 14:53:03 Id: 747fd6 No. 1767672

>>1765172 I still remember cheesing Tharn with Chrysamere.

Anonymous 09/19/2025 (Fri) 15:02:38 Id: 736252 No. 1767686

>>1767349 >Rayman To be fair, Rayman didn't even get a real sequel until decades later. The 3D ones play incredibly differently. The 2D revival games are good, I think I'd say better, but they're so long after they almost don't count. But yeah, Rayman 1 is very hard as far as games of its era go, and insanely hard compared to your average PS1 game. >Metroid Did the game originally come with a map in the manual? I've never played it with one but I feel like it would make a very big difference.

Anonymous 09/19/2025 (Fri) 22:10:42 Id: 323869 No. 1768727

>>1765319 Avalanche Studios is completely fucked, they've lost all their goodwill by constantly shutting down and delisting Early Access games and providing no refunds. Square Enix owns their biggest franchise and is sitting on it, and they have around 450 employees 5 divisions and haven't launched a game in 2 years. They haven't made a profitable game in 6 years and they even abandoned that one (Generation Zero), then again all the stuff they added was trash and didn't fix any issues with the game, just Live Service shit ala Techlands Dying Light. Pretty much everyone who used to work at the company back then is gone anyway and the CEO is some nepobaby whore from Iceland, likely handpicked by Nordisk Film (the company that owns them since 2018 and fucked their terrible management even harder) themselves. They also cancelled like 3 games including that Xbox published game, Contraband. They are absolutely fucked, expect a shitton of layoffs soon, at least a quarter of the company is getting the boot for sure. Fun fact, Just Cause 3 and 4 were developed by their New York Studio instead of the main branch in Stockholm, so it's no wonder they were completely different in terms of presentation and gameplay from Just Cause 1 and 2.

Anonymous 09/19/2025 (Fri) 22:13:58 Id: 503711 No. 1768737

>>1765303 I thought the same of your defence of JC1, to be fair.

Anonymous 09/19/2025 (Fri) 22:21:52 Id: 323869 No. 1768753

>>1768737 Those are all much better games than any Just Cause game, and they're not iffy at all. -Megaman 1 has worse level design than 2 but that's about all. -Resident Evil 2 is just copypasted 1 with more content -Dino Crisis 1 is Resident Evil with fully 3D levels and dinos and it's great, the sequel isn't even the same genre even if also good Outside of Breath of Fire (which I never played), you're right about Monster Hunter and Street Fighter those games are a skeleton of a good game.

Anonymous 09/19/2025 (Fri) 22:25:49 Id: 4c23aa No. 1768758

Probably a hot take but I found Combat Evolved to be quite outdated and felt badly aged. I've had way more fun with much older games than CE, and the later entries in the series are much better as well. Played the series in 2023.

Anonymous 09/19/2025 (Fri) 22:28:32 Id: 323869 No. 1768765

>>1768758 >Liked Halo 2 over CE

Anonymous 09/19/2025 (Fri) 22:40:21 Id: 4c23aa No. 1768786

>>1768765 >>Liked Halo 2 over CE For sure, I really liked 2, the story with the Prophets, and the Arbiter sections were really refreshing and fun. Chief and Cortana were more badass and sick in 2 as well. It's what salvaged the series for me as CE didn't leave the best impression when I first finished it. Half the game is literally just repeated sections, it felt really drawn out at times. The only really cool part of CE for me was the Flood level. The game was probably cooler when it first came out. ODST is my favourite entry in the series. I stopped after Reach (release date order).

Anonymous 09/19/2025 (Fri) 22:55:02 Id: 323869 No. 1768815

>>1768786 >The story that completely kills the Covenant as an implacable alien force into retarded humans was refreshing and fun >Chief and Cortana with barely any banter or emotional reaction to anything were "sick" >Half the game was repeated sections but 100 elevators, gondolas, tunnels, ruins and the whole of the High Charity copypasted 300 times is fine >The only cool part about CE was when you fight the horde enemies in linear fashion and not when exploring the ring world freeform >ODST is my favourite entry in the series No fucking shit, I can tell >The game was probably cooler when it first came out. No, actually it's cooler now, it was pretty gay back then

Anonymous 09/20/2025 (Sat) 06:52:16 Id: 748769 No. 1769820

>>1765127 the first just cause was a lot more fun than the games later in the series. 2 was just very boring and physically nauseating because of how much they fucking stretched the depth of field. which seems like it has carry on at the later entries

Anonymous 09/20/2025 (Sat) 08:14:40 Id: 05cc67 No. 1770975

>>1768727 I wasn't even aware Avalanche Studios HAD franchises besides Just Cause.

Anonymous 09/20/2025 (Sat) 09:28:07 Id: 32bbb8 No. 1771250

>>1765253 >I am not a keyboard warrior

Anonymous 09/20/2025 (Sat) 13:46:54 Id: 2670ce No. 1771876

>>1767686 I wish Rayman had more games but I'll settle for what we've got at present. >mfw Edith Up isn't coming back any time soon >Did the game originally come with a map in the manual? No, or at least not when it first came out. Your three options with the first game are to have a photographic memory, make a map yourself, or play a ROMhack that uses a map system like the later entries in the franchise. >>1767631 >YOU TAKE THAT BACK!! It's hard to forgive Rayman 1 for the Space Mama boss fight and Eat at Joe's. Also, R.I.P Remi Gazel.

Anonymous 09/20/2025 (Sat) 16:42:08 Id: a9d575 No. 1772262

>>1771876 >It's hard to forgive Rayman 1 I was talking about NEStroid, but okay...

Anonymous 09/20/2025 (Sat) 17:01:01 Id: 68baa3 No. 1772300

>>1765303 I didn't say they were bad, just iffy.

Anonymous 09/20/2025 (Sat) 20:10:20 Id: 318065 No. 1772797

>>1772300 But they're not iffy they're top tier games

Anonymous 09/20/2025 (Sat) 23:29:06 Id: 2670ce No. 1773292

>>1772262 >I was talking about NEStroid You sure were. I need to get my eyes checked.

Anonymous 09/21/2025 (Sun) 22:40:17 Id: cda459 No. 1776060

>>1768815 >>The story that completely kills the Covenant as an implacable alien force into retarded humans was refreshing and fun It is. The covenant civil war is an objectively more interesting story than "ALIENS BAD KILL BAD ALIENS". >>Half the game was repeated sections but 100 elevators, gondolas, tunnels, ruins and the whole of the High Charity copypasted 300 times is fine Saying literally half of CE is backtracking is a mentally impaired take, but so is whatever you're talking about cause I'm not even sure what you mean by >High Charity copypasted 300 times since you only fight on HC on two missions. The gondolas are tedious though.

Anonymous 09/21/2025 (Sun) 22:46:42 Id: 318065 No. 1776081

>>1776060 >CE story was just "ALIENS BAD KILL BAD ALIENS" Stopped reading, you're fucking retarded

Anonymous 09/21/2025 (Sun) 22:57:48 Id: dc7c94 No. 1776116

Halo is only worth it for the Sangheili pussy

Anonymous 09/21/2025 (Sun) 23:01:40 Id: 4c23aa No. 1776122

>>1776060 >Saying literally half of CE is backtracking is a mentally impaired take I said repeated sections, not backtracking. And yes, some levels are just backtracking, but I was also talking about how the level design has a lot of repeated hallways, corridors and even a lot of the inner rooms are just the same over and over.

Anonymous 09/21/2025 (Sun) 23:38:04 Id: dc7c94 No. 1776204

Say what you want about Just Cause 1, it's janky and hasn't aged well, but the fact that ran on the PS2 is insane. It doesn't feel like a game that should have ran on the system, the map is over a thousand square kilometers. For comparison, GTA:SA is 38km2.

Anonymous 09/22/2025 (Mon) 01:17:24 Id: fe6608 No. 1776370

>>1765170 Nah i played air combat and it was fine 2 is still my favorite in the series though even more then 0 yes

Anonymous 09/22/2025 (Mon) 01:42:59 Id: 2a537d No. 1776424

>>1776116 >Sangheili pussy And that doesn't show up until gaylo 5, where you don't even get to see it.

Anonymous 09/22/2025 (Mon) 02:26:37 Id: 03f9ff No. 1776495

Dune II: The very first RTS alongside Herzog Zwei, but also rough as sand. Tower of Doom and Final Fight, not as fluid as later things. Many fighting games: Guilty Gear, Fatal Fury, Samurai Shodown. The one exception would be Art of Fighting, because it's a very cinematic game, unlike almost any other of the genre.

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