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/bombergirl/ thread 「ボンバーガール」 Anonymous 04/17/2025 (Thu) 12:00:42 Id: e13747 No. 1111927
previous thread: https://arch.b4k.dev/vm/thread/1699423/ >Officials: Website: https://p.eagate.573.jp/game/bombergirl/bg/p/index.html Twitter: https://twitter.com/bombergirl573 (news on the PC version will have 【コナステ】) Current/upcoming banners and maps (PC): https://p.eagate.573.jp/game/eacbg/bg/index.html >Installation Guides: Image guide: https://imgur.com/a/G2fK1Z0 Registration: https://p.eagate.573.jp/gate/k/newcomer.html Download: https://p.eagate.573.jp/game/eacbg/bg/download/installer.html >Technical errors: If you can't get past the bench test screen, change your computer's region to Japanese in the control panel If your NAT type is below C, try forwarding port 5291 on your router If matchmaking breaks more than once, restart the game >Wtf is the point of my role?: Bombers destroy buildings and dig for items. Attackers make space by separating enemies either by distracting or killing them. Shooters make it to mid as soon as possible for the first team fights before going back to base to defend. Blockers delay any inevitable attacks for as long as possible by denying area and stalling with heals, buffs, and blocks. >In-depth resources: JPN wiki https://gamerch.com/bombergirl/ Map Guides https://mega.nz/folder/3lhE3QqJ#t3chGlssiqMYRXhdLWLMPA >Shitpost images resources: https://wikiwiki.jp/9988/絶妙に外す/絶妙に外すSOZAI >Top JP players: テラルナ (Bomber) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoxtETWZ0rOaOzkDfF_KFbA だいげんしさん (Attacker) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEl7wk5Z_bBl7lzlA9afYXg ぼっすん (Any role) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPVwfGSfmFVIYaZV1kaVMow ぽろぴ (Any role) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUe6nmjjXr2Rz6doddMum-g
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some gameplay clips
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a few more
We are so back.
Anyone here plays with a VPN? Do you get better ping with it?
>>1112151 i remember someone saying they did in one of the previous threads but i don't know which one and how much difference it makes. you could try exitlag, they have a 3 day trial
Hey, as a longtime poster here, I'm stoked to have you guys here. This board is way more open to loli and fanservice than cuckchan, no need to create bait OPs, you can just discuss and post about the game here. >>1111942 >>1111964 I do note that though you guys have noticed you can upload five files at a time, that you may not realized that you can post AV1 webms with sound that are larger than 4MB. In about the same size of one clips of yours I can upload 4K60FPS footage with audio in this webm I quickly encoded as a demonstration. Food for thought, I'll try to get a guide on how to encode these hi-res clips up and running.
>>1112816 i never used av1 since it seems to take forever to encode but the compression seems pretty good. most of the webms/mp4s we have were for 4cuck either way. i doubt most people keep the raws after they encode the files. if we end up staying here for good, i'd expect people to start encoding their shit to support the better features. i like it better here but i think most people would want to go back to 4cuck if it's back up. and splitting the thread between the two boards would make it even slower sadly also i thought we'd get ranked back by april. i wonder if they skipped the ranked season. they did that once last year iirc
I don't care about the game, but the characterd are pure sex and it's helping to create a lot of great doujins.
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i don't play much but i love oren
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I will have to redo all my soundposts and webm...
MANAITA SO CUTE
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Where are the mana cuteposts?
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I love my dog
>>1113363 only bombergirl books i liked were the great mosu ones. the other books i see people post are posted because they're bombergirl themed, not because the art is actually good
Never tried this game but always saw lewd art on pixiv of the characters, might try it now, thanks OP
>>1119083 btw there's maintenance everyday between 5 am jst and 7 am jst so you can't play atm. the game is also not very active right after maintenance ends, it takes a couple of hours for activity to ramp up
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>>1112151 Yes you do, at least in my case.
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The Pretty Bomb convention is happening tomorrow. Looking forward to it.
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>>1120510 Buy these. Fap a ton.
>>1120510 an unofficial convention? please let me know if you see any emera merch
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>>1131856 why? makes you wanna spend all your money on stuff you don't need?
>>1131856 Is it because of the unique IDs? Or the lack of shitposting?
>>1133329 i thought he was talking about hating japan, not this board. i dunno. the unique ids definitely give it a different feel though, especially in our thread
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>>1132925 >>1133329 Hard to get used to it. It's nice to have more capacity for files and other QoL, but I'm too used to things from before.
I hate this site

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>>1134039 there's /vb/ if you want a /v/ similar to 4cuck's. no (you)'s since there's no 4chan-xt/8chan-xt thougheverbeit >>1134147 based pine poster good taste haver
>>1133329 not enough shitposting
>>1135005 go read the soyjak one, they seem to be nothing but that https://www.soyjak.st/soy/thread/10689784.html#10709866
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>>1136864 It's scary how better Suisui looks with regular black eyelashes compared to white ones
i hate networking

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>>1136864 if it doesn't have foot smelling handjobs, i'm not interested
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can post this one now
>>1133565 There is a thread on /b/ where some anons are making an 8ChanX, it's still wip though but it works.
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oh, it works now
>>1136864 this artist is good. i hope draws a sepia or silver book
>>1146603 ahh happens all the time...
i'm gonna play until ~11:30 am jst if anyone wants to come. unsure if we should post queue times here though since it might be seen as spamming the board
>>1146706 wait i meant 11:30 pm jst
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>1146811 took me a second to make the connection
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>>1146584 喜べ少年。 君の願いは、 ようやく叶う
how can I make this site looks better? tomorrow theme?
I downloaded this game on a win one day but haven't actually booted it once, how playable is it actually without paying or being in japan?
>>1146721 I just got back from Tokyo. Are you still queuing?
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Post time.
OK, queuing 23:11.
>>1147425 the starter characters are usable you can get 1 free roll a day for playing 5 matches as for how "playable" it is, depends on how far you are from Japan
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I think I saw Jeff...
>>1147668 go to bed mana
>>1147682 I only saw rudo
>>1147463 i ended up playing portal 2 with nakadashitai, sorry. right now i'm taking a break, i'll be back in 1 hour or so
>>1147682 why are you sparkling
>>1147868 BECAUSE I JUST CAN
>>1147887 oi, gimme that and what's this for?
>>1147929 <not sure but in the help section you can see the different ways you can post text
>>1147123 oh i remember that book. it was nice overall but i found it to be lacking something. i don't remember if it was the paneling or the poses or what. the suisui stuff seems to be an improvement over it but it could also be because he likes draiwng loli more. either way this guy has potential
i'm gonna queue 12:40 am jst no momokek
>>1148430 kay I'll finish up by then
>>1147425 there's a lot of filters >need to set-up account / not on steam >japanese only (nothing complex but still filters people) >relentless gacha. starters are good but after a while you just want new characters. you also have to roll for skills on top of characters (all starters are improved with skills). most of the fancy cosmetics are arcade only >people only start understanding the basics of the game when you get into the medium bracket and you have to make a conscious effort to climb >can only play the game when the servers are active and not under maintenance (maybe 16 hours a day or so?) it solves a lot of issues with other mobas (short matches, don't have to read/listen to retards complaining, variety of maps, all classes being important and fun in their own way, cute girls and whatever else i'm forgetting) but it also has a lot of issues. the player retention is really low so if i had to guess you're gonna drop it after a few weeks if you even start playing. this game is like an acquired taste like futa x shota tbh
>>1148565 > this game is like an acquired taste like futa x shota tbh I was agreeing until this it's shit
I think I see Jeff again...
>>1148845 Hello.
>>1148625 you know it's true >>1148845 no one queued with me widepeeposad
>You tried to upload a file with an invalid format for this board. what the fuck
>>1149289 Stop uploading pdfs to the site.
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>>1120510 So yeah. Had some fun times today, and will likely show up to the Nagoya convention in June. >>1121696 Not only did I see Emera merch, I saw a dude in cosplay as Emera.
>>1149343 We know about your evil intents, Mana. You want to turn everyone here into a momokek. I don't get it. What file are you trying to upload? If it's a video it needs to be mp4 or webm.
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>>1151271 oh damn that's so cool. you even got to take pics with the famous grim aloe one. i'm jelly
>>1151271 did people look at you funny? did you see kasuri?
>>1151271 the one with platina on the cover seems ok. you also got the suisui one. i assume you're not scanning anything though. those keychans are cool
>>1151341 I was surprised to see it there too. A staff member was getting pissed at us for originally trying to get a photo near the cosplay area, but I think that backdrop might be better. >>1151376 Nah, they all thought the Shiron plush was cute. Don't believe I saw Kasuri, or anyone with a Gray keychain. Some other non-Japanese player asked me if I was スイカ.
>>1151503 Never scanned anything before. How would I go about doing it? I know it involves carefully taking the pages apart.
>>1151528 If you care about the quality being as best as possible youd have to take it apart, but you can just slam it on the scanner and press hard on the book spine (i used a thick encyclopedia for that)
>>1151528 i'm not sure. i think you have melt the glue in the middle of the books (iron it?) and then remove the clips with care. it could ruin them. you could send it to someone to scan them but you'd have to pay them which sucks you could just take photos with your camera if you don't wanna risk anything. it won't look as good but it's serviceable >>1151585 i think this can damage the books too. but it's less risky than taking them apart. if you want to be safe, just take pics with your camera
>>1151511 anything memorable?
>>1151296 cute Hiiro and funny art, reminds me of the comics
>>1151286 and OBS screenshot but it seemed to complain about any image
oh NOW it works guess it needed a page reload
>>1153522 i've ran into a few errors trying to post and refreshing the page usually fixes them. seems to be because the captcha expires? and there's some bug in replaying it. maybe because the server is overloaded, i dunno
>>1153542 There is a /xiv/ schizo having a melty because nobody wants to post in his board that has no IDs.
>>1131856 >>1131764 DILP damn I love prune
>>1153577 >/xiv/ They're a bunch of ERPs. I don't know how anyone can feel comfortable in that general and play the game.
sorry Fudge
GG, sorry mana, couldn't get the trees to connect
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had fun games today!
oh hi tab
>>1155162 久しぶり naka
GG naka
>>1155372 gg tab idk why but bossun died quite a lot probably because he wanted to use the 2 dashes skill if it were the heal I think he would've survived a lot longer
>>1155384 >countdown to 0 >errored out it's been fun...
>>1155461 just snipe bossun lol lmao
>>1155486 so close...
>>1155496 we lost kani tho
what's wrong with your bomber?
>>1155630 he seems to be obsessed with the teleporter I don't know what 4D chess he's playing
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>>1155800 sorry naka
it's okay I failed you too
>>1155818 but the base exploded
>>1155832 if I did better we could win that
>>1155858 but if I kept the base alive longer...
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tab...
>>1155909 there was no fucking way I would stop him on my own
it's over, no one left to queue gg tab
>botmatch owari da
>>1156605 GGs naka
>>1151271 >Not only did I see Emera merch, I saw a dude in cosplay as Emera. no pictures of the Emera merch? damn I wish I could have paid you to buy some for me
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My new e-amusement pass got dropped off yesterday
>>1151271 >>1151296 that looks fun
>>1166687 Does the ult also teleports the bombs?
report rudo tab
and here I've been trying to refresh the site for half a day...
>>1179493 the .moe stopped working
>>1179584 but I am seeing and replying to you on .moe?
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>>1179605 doesn't load here time out
>>1179699 check your dns or something I guess
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>>1179921 I don't know what to check...
>>1180230 https://github.com/ValdikSS/GoodbyeDPI try this run 2_any_country_dnsredir.cmd then open new browser or something and try .moe again if you can then your IPS blocked .moe for some reasons
>>1179699 use se
>>1180230 this kot looks almost exactly like jeff's shiron what the fuck
>>1180357 I'm on Opensuse >>1180585 I'll probably stick with this for now >>1180686 oh my... >>1180701 I.. I guess?
>>1178775 It only flings the players back to spawn and slows them
bonga time
another day of getting completely shitted on
>>1191539 GM bracket?
>>1191646 i think so. ever since reaching S rank ive been getting stone walled hard. none of my aggressive tactics are working so i have to return to practicing the way others play
>>1191695 you can't be aggressive bomber in high rank or more like you won't be able to
>>1191695 if you had to fight tooth and nail to get into S, then it's to be expected
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So this is where you guys went
>>1191768 check the steam group
>>1191768 oh damn they're gonna turn those into cosmetics huh. those chibis are so cute. on top of that it's probably easy for them to reuse the asagi ball model. i wish i could have one. we don't even have the minbo or the servant head pieces yet widepeeposad
>>1191880 stop that discord tier emote you dark skined futa filth
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>>1191973 this is acceptable just don't be like kappa dentge or whatever it shows how terminal you are
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It's him in the flesh... MANA
>>1192163 Yo GG
>>1191795 I didn't even know there was one.
>>1192305 I like cat aro
is rudo going through a phase
>>1192740 that one might be nigga. he has an account where he cosplays ruudo but they don't grief in the same way
>>1192782 what is the real ruudo like?
>>1192836 think of it as ruudo being vantablack and nigga being charcoal colored
>>1191768 >Months and months until all the magical girls outfits get release >Papuru won't get it
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>>1201103 get this vile shit out of here
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>>1201103 Futa...
>>1201168 widepeeposad >>1201446 it's only gay when gay people enjoy it. when i do it's straight, when nakadashitai does it's deeply rooted on socioeconomic african features
>>1201446 Why has my id changed? I haven't changed anything, I haven't even turned off my computer
>>1201776 we just don't know did your ip change? altho I think it's browser fingerprint not just ip
>>1201797 I don't know, maybe my internet went down and the ip was changed without me seeing when I was working or sleeping
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Do you always play at this hour Fudge?
>>1205873 not always but GG anon!
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Don't mind me just checking my ID
>>1151660 One of the vendors I bought from had these cute, homemade Momoko and Pine hand puppets, that I bought a doujinshi out of sheer charisma. Hearing the matching screen theme blare over the venue's loudspeakers was also nice. >>1180701 My Shiron plush is made in the 20cm cotton doll style. Both the plush and the respective clothes were fully commed off of Etsy. It's great because of the range of interchangeable outfits that can be worn just like ingame. If you've got a few hundred burgerbucks laying around and don't mind waiting a few months, you too can have your own Bombergirl plush.
>>1208876 I mean the face and eyes it's kinda the same from what I can rememeber
>>1208905 Oh yeah, I see the resemblance. Those must be embroidered too. I just specified the plush maker to use Shiron's ingame model for face and eye references.
>>1208876 did you take pics of the homemade momoko and pine hand puppets?
>>1208943 I wish I did, but I didn't want to take a pic with him wearing it for privacy reasons. If I see him again at the Nagoya convention, then I will.
>>1208966 draw how they look like
>>1191768 I really want to have the Brass and Grim magical girl outfits.
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>>1208943 I think he's talking about あなご. https://x.com/anago072
>>1209051 they look pretty funny and soulful
>>1209051 Yup, it was him.
>.se stops working >.moe works again we're in for a ride
>>1201776 I think the devs are currently testing some anti samefag measures to catch spammers samefagging.
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>>1212325 you have betrayed the momokek clan
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>>1222612 Yeah. I remember this match. You were also trigger walking bombs on my end. It was wild I tell you.
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You guys play R.E.P.O? I've got nobody to play with.
>>1223412 wow that is one ugly game. i think i'm gonna skip that one
>>1223412 I don't have the game, sorry anon
>>1222612 sick!
>>1223412 no i dont have it sorry
just got disconnected with ten seconds in the match after rush got triggered, hope we won.
does this item actually exist?
>>1223412 I don't have the game
>>1226516 I don't see it listed, so "no"?
>>1226605 > it listed, so "no"? yeah. My ID change again...
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>>1226652 stop it
>>1226652 Thank you, kind stranger(2).
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I think my ID has changed four times already.
I miss the /v/ module. I miss the ranked queue where you stayed in the queue even if you had an error.
>>1227141 >where you stayed in the queue even if you had an error.
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>>1227141 > I miss the ranked queue where you stayed in the queue even if you had an error.
>>1227175 >>1227233 why are you mad? I don't remember what's wrong with that
>>1227175 >>1227233 It was nice. Just like any other game that you enter the queue when you want and leave when you want. If they put how many are online in the queue, that would be nice too
>>1227237 >>1227304 >and leave when you want. I'm not sure it worked that way.
>>1151271 I prefer Pine but I think Shiron is really cute too.
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i whip my hair back and forth i whip my hair back and froth
>>1228349 when a momo place a wall, YOUUU MUST JUMP IT
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外人, 一人, バカ 外人、二人、つよい
>>1228469 JUMP THIS!!!
>>1228645 damn, nice save
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>>1228957 ah shiet didnt post the image.... DONE!
>>1229337 AAAAHHHH HELP ME BRA---ACK!
i forgot, but what time do gacha tickets reset?
>>1229917 ? not sure what you mean but they last 180 days
>>1229917 when maintenance starts
>>1229937 sry, meant when you can earn more again for the day >>1229947 coool thanks
>>1229531 reminds me of that image where sirius is comfy inside a house waving (during christmas?) and bomberman is outside like a hobo
>>1223412 you know what, i saw the steam page and it's cheap and the reviews make it seem good so i'm gonna buy it. we'll try playing some time
generals are being moved to /vg/ does that mean we're going to be moved too?
it's like lethal company I think, only saw clips of gameplay if you and the slutty yabbit can work out the time to play together then ping me Im in the same timezone as the yabbit anyway
>>1233014 i think our thread is the same as having a thread for a specific game like metal gear solid or dark souls or whatever. i don't think it needs to be moved but if they move it we just have to live with it >>1233112 ok
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>>1223412 If you really need people I can join but I'd rather play something else like Deep Rock Galactic or HellDiver
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The new map
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I only have to play ~40 games per day to get the event finished
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got a piledriver
>>1233112 >>1234523 we're gonna try playing 9 pm jst on saturday if you guys wanna come. i think second one is ignoble, if you're not and i don't have you on steam let me know
>Matching Error x3 >wait a few minutes >Matching Error x3
Is Grim Aloe Konami's designated crossover slut now? It is funny that she got way more popular in Bombergirl than her home game.
I had registered an account like 3 years ago and I installed okay but when i run exe it brings me to the US log in page and it makes me re-register my konami account.
>>1241834 it's supposed to bring you to a webpage and you run the game from there https://p.eagate.573.jp/game/konasteapp/API/login/login.html?game_id=bomber-girl this one
>>1241834 did you follow the guide to install the game? it's possible they deactivate accounts for a period of inactivity. 3 years is a lot of time >>1241543 i watched a few streams and no one seemed to have connectivity issues
>>1241927 * after a period of inactivity
>>1241857 It just redirects here https://my.konami.net/en_US/signin I'm using a jpn vpn too >>1241927 I kinda skipped the registration guide because i had an account already. Is there an installation guide other then clicking the link?
w/e ill probably just make a new account. I probably didn't have much anyway.
>>1242024 nobody really knows what's wrong with you so yeah that might be the best follow guide in the OP good luck
>>1242024 make a new account and see how it goes. if you manage to login, clear your browser data and try logging into the old account. by then, you'll have figured out how to login etc. if it doesn't work with the old account, it's because they must've deactivated it or something after you didn't play for so long
>Mana saw me hanging out with the low bracket kids. You saw nothing.
>>1242049 >>1242035 I'm retarded... I just needed to log in with the us account to get into the jp account. Well I'll see if my stuff gets deleted or not haha.
>>1242069 what the fuck are you doing yabbit also repo thingy? why is it ignoble now?
>>1242069 I got a phone call just as the match started sorry
>>1242087 The heck are you talking about? We play tomorrow >>1241164 >>1242156 GG. Sorry. All of my shots went through nothing but air.
>>1242208 it's still thurs aaaaiiieeeeee also I saw second one and thought you are not in it
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>>1242229 >thurs Fuck. You're right.
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>>1242069 >Smurfing in the lower bracket >>1242087 I just said that if you guys need more people I can join, but it looks like there are already four people who are going to play. >>1241543 Things are very strange. Before yesterday the queue was breaking 5 seconds after the timer disappeared Yesterday the host was disconnecting all the time. 3~4 were disconnecting from the match. Also, looks like it's comming back
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>>1242364 >but it looks like there are already four people who are going to play who??
>bots dead game
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>>1242364 I can't help it. I've been lusting for Pine for over two years and just recently got her on my new test account. I'm enjoying my anger.
>>1242381 Inaba, Mana, Futa and Naka? Checking the game now, I guessed wrong. Half of them don't have the game.
>>1242492 nakadashitai said he was gonna play it. i don't know who >>1234523 is, i thought it was ignoble
guys, plz I just wanna do the dailies...
>>1242427 It's all right, the game shouldn't be so high pressure just to do the dailies. Ranked is a mistake >>1242507 >i don't know who Yeah it's me. So we have four with me. I going to play then.
there are a lot of GMs that don't play on konasute huh?
lmao YAMAS demoted
I like the tall one
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saw someone with an alt outfit for the trumpet girl didn't know she already got one, does silva even have any? besides the ss uniform
>>1251061 brass has the 2 alternate colors ballet one (that one in the pic ) and nun costume too silva only has her swimsuit and her alternate colors
>>1241830 i think pine is still the most popular. she's also factually and canonically the best girl. but grim aloe seems to have become more popular over the last few years. maybe it's related to the pc/konasute release
>>1253661 If it's Konami canon then Fujisaki-san is the best girl
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>>1241830 Konami loves cross-overs. Since the successful release of Parodius, almost every Konami game has a cross-over. It's not something exclusive to one game or character. I guess Grim is an character that's easy to experiment and create outfits for. Basically they create something for Grim and then Pine and Prune copy it, or or Grim is the perfect Mesugaki. All the others are variations on the model. or Konami just like Grim...
Aah, you were at my side, all along. My true mentor... My guiding moonlight... GG
>>1254421 you can't just post a card of perfect mario but didn't show what perfect mario looks like
>>1254478 You could google it...
>>1254999 based
>>1253848 なんだコレ? >>1254457 なんだコレ!!??
>4chan is back So what are we gonna do?
>>1256280 post oppai loli
>>1256280 I don't think the general had many shitposters though, so whatever. This site can host bigger webms with sound so I would prefer to stay to be honest but if people want to go back then it is what it is.
>>1258491 i like here better too but i think most people want to go back. i'll keep posting on 8chan as long as it remains relatively active, unsure if we can keep the thread alive but if you want to post here i'll still be around
>>1256280 You guys will have to go on without me. after seeing that 4chan is compromised by the most incompetent people i do not want to go back
tried translating one page of that blocker book. it will probably take me a while/few weeks to do the whole thing though title >ブロッカー god 指南書 blocker god handbook page 3 >ブロッカーの簡易タイムスケジュール simplified blocker time schedule >*マップや状況で動きが変わる場合もあり * circumstances may change depending on map or game situation >残り300~250秒 300 ~ 250 seconds remaining >目標:初期築城(コの字・構道)とステータス回収 objective: initial fortification (U shape construction) and collecting upgrades at the start >マップによって築城箇所・ステータス回収場所・前線合流時間は変わるため、上位帯の配信などを確認して同じ動きを目指す1番上位帯と同じ動きできる時間帯のため要座学・練習 the locations for block building, collecting upgrades and the time to join with the frontline all change depending on the map, so confirm you can move like the top players (watch their streams or get information elsewhere). pay attention to the theory and practice >残り260~100秒 260 ~ 100 seconds remaining >目標:ラッシュをもらわない objective: don't give away rush >ラッシュをもらわないために何をするか? >1.下がり防衛 >2.シューター支援・回復 >3.ベースの回復 >4.シューターが撃破前に敵前衛をベースに流さない what do i do in order to not give away rush? 1. defend the bottom of the base 2. support/heal the shooter 3. heal the base 4. stop the enemy from getting to the base before the shooter has to kill them >残り100~30秒 100 ~ 30 seconds remaining >目標:ベースへの被害を抑える objective: damage control on the base >ボイスをできる限り使用していく
[Expand Post]use voice/healing as much as possible >残り30~0秒 30 ~ 0 seconds remaining >目標:ベース付近、中にいる事 objective: stay near or inside the base >この本ではボイスキャラを根幹に説明しています。ボイスではないキャラは大きいな回復で立て直しが難しいものの、総じて遅延行動が強く特にネック防衛に強いため使う人はネックを通さない事、ネックで最適な行動をする敵を流してリス埋めするよりは遅延とネック防衛を活かしましょうその方法もたくさん載っています。 this book explains the fundamentals for characters with the voice healing. characters that don't have voice healing have a hard time using their heals to reorganize the back row, so instead of focusing on healing, concentrate on delaying the enemy and defending on the bottlenecks. there are many ways to do this
i made a mistake for page 3 i think page 3 >1.下がり防衛 1. falling defense (defend gradually while stepping back) page 4 >ベース内・周辺のブロック置く場所 block placement inside and around the base >敵の進行経路 enemy progression path page 5 >1.コの字 U shape >優先度 >序盤中盤:高い >ラスアタ:低い priority level early and mid game: high last attack: low >・ベースインしてきた敵の動きを強力に制限することができる定番の築城 >・コの字があることでシューターが1人でも守りやすくなる >・破壊された後、ベース内に敵がいない場合は基本的に再築城を行う >・ラスアタの時間帯はベースインを防ぐ事が重要になるため憂先度は下がる >・ベースない築城はコの字を伸ばすことで更に強力にすることが可能 - standard block placement that strongly restricts the movement of enemies who get inside the base - with this U shape placement the shooter has an easier time defending the base by himself - after it gets destroyed, once there are no enemies in the base, build the U shape again - around the time of the last attack, it's more important to stop people from entering the base so placing blocks inside becomes less important - extending the U shape inside the base can make this block placement even stronger (see image on the right) >強化されたコの字 reinforcing the U block placement >2.ベース外周(構道) base perimeter >優先度 >序盤中盤:の次 >ラスアタ:低い priority level
[Expand Post]early and mid game: intermediate last attack: low >・ベースの裏道へ周る行動に時間を使わせることができる >・ラスアタの時間に埋まっていると侵攻ルートをベース上のみに絞る事ができる >・コの字の次に重要となるポイントで初期築城ではコの字と構道を埋める事が多い - can be placed when moving around the area of the back entrance to the base - can block the attack route and force the enemy to attack the base from above - second in priority after the U block placement. at the start, you often do the U block placement and also place blocks to the side >3.ベース上ボトルネック(表口) bottleneck above the base (front door) >優先度 >序盤中盤:低い >ラスアタ:高い priority level early and mid game: low last attack: high >・ラスアタの時間帯に最優先となる設置個所 >・それ以上の時間では先置きすると下がり防衛の障害となるため先置きすることはな >・籠城戦法やボイスに時間のかかるキャラで時間稼ぐ時にも使用 >・ラスアタ時間帯はここに設置した後に更に壁を置く準備が出来ていると更に時間が稼げる >・置き方によって貫通ボムや飛んでけ系のスキルで突破されるため可能な限り図の置き方で設置したい - during the last attack phase, becomes the priority area for placing blocks - if you place blocks there before the late game, it becomes a hindrance for defense - also used to buy time to use healing voice or to keep the enemy out from inside - during the last attack phase, placing blocks repeatedly at the entrance lets you buy more time - depending on how you place the blocks, they can be broken by pierce bombs, tonde bomb etc so you want to place it similarly to the picture >4.ベース下ボトルネック(裏口) bottleneck below the base (rear entrance) >優先度 >序盤中盤:低い >ラスアタ:状況次第 priority level early and mid game: low last attack: situation dependant >・アタッカーに対して強い遅延力を持つ、先置きしている場合はボマー相手だと確定で抜けられる形を作られるため、先置きするかの判断はアタッカーが裏口へ周ってくるかによる >・ラスアタ時間帯稼ぎや籠城戦法を取った場合の時間稼ぎとして使うが先置きしたものが残った状況で撃破されるとベース内の復帰が厳しくなるため注意 - strong delaying power vs attackers, place it only if the attacker goes for the rear entrance, the bomber can deal with it - when trying to keep the enemy out in general and especially on the last attack phase, you might have a hard time coming back inside the base if you die so be careful >5.ベース窪み inside the base >優先度 >序盤中盤:低い >ラスアタ:低い priority level early and mid game: low last attack: low >・敵がベースインしている時、ベースのダメージを軽減する目的で置く >・防衛の逃げ道になるため先置は行わない - when the enemy gets inside the base, place blocks prioritizing damage control - don't place blocks that stop your defense from moving in and out of the base >6.オレン返し dealing with oren >優先度 >序盤中盤:の次 >ラスアタ:低い priority level early and mid game: intermediate last attack: low >・敵にオレンがいる場合にダンクブレイドでの侵入を防ぐに設置する - if there's an oren on the enemy team, place blocks to defend against dunk blade
i might've made mistakes with these last 2 pages too also lol at people getting inside the base not being a priority also also i think the board is not active enough for a thread this niche sadly.
>>1266799 if the board is slow enough we can fill the niche nicely as long as we stay somewhat active daily not like vm is any better really
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>>1256280 It's trivial to just have both the /vm/ and 8chan thread open at the same time, but I kind of wished that the site had stayed dead seeing that it's all back to the status quo. The difference now is that instead of being numb to like 95% of threads on that site, I'm now numb to 99% of them.
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>>1271232 She smelled the blood in the water
>>1271232 i've noticed that the higher rated players tend to fill in the empty space left by others more often. so for example, in that map, the attacker was supposed to be digging from the initial spawn (top left) and should've met you at that corner. he could've protected it until the blocker arrived. i've seen that a couple of times. you can see it often when poropi plays in ranked too, in part because he needs to make up for more that said, the sepia was wrong from the start since she wasn't even digging at the right spot. you need the experience that comes from digging there to get to level 5 soon, as well as preventing the enemy bomber from taking the respawn before the blocker can get in the middle so i guess it's one of those plays that works but shouldn't lol
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how am i not allowed to punish this skill? how is this shit still not nerfed?
>>1272054 just look at her she's so happy
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>>1272095 that was nerfed and you can still take dmg while casting it so it's a riskier than just camping the base and allah ackbar a big bomb
>>1272101 it was only nerfed in the arcades i think. if it was nerfed on konasute, i believe she would've taken damage there
>>1272101 oh wait, you're talking about gaman. i thought you were talking about suisui. my bad. i didn't remember kuro gaman being nerfed
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>>1272054 How do you even counter that? just trap her with bombs?
>>1272333 Nothing. You cry. Unless you use Brass.
>>1272333 only way is a full punish using brass or another skill but the timing is strict and she can just chain with a flash kick or the dash to avoid most if not all dmg even brass struggle against a good suisui
>>1272333 apple
page 6 >道中遅延・前遅延・下がり防衛について about delaying on the way / delaying in front / falling defense >敵がベースに辿り着くまでの時間を稼ぐ方法、防衛力にとても影響する how to buy time to stop the enemy from reaching the base, having a major impact on defense >1.ボムを壁にして遅延 >・ボムを使いながらベースネックまで時間を稼ぐ行動 >・基本的に置いたボムの後ろへと下がり前にいかず置いていく 1. delaying with a wall of bombs - use bombs while moving through the bottlenecks toward the base to buy time - basically, move behind the bombs you placed (there's something else to this sentence that i can't understand and neither can google afaict) >2.ヴォールを使った遅延 >・ボムを置きながらヴォールを出して広い通路を埋める方法 >・敵が即破壊用のボムを準備している場合は抜かれるので注意 2. delaying with blocks - while dropping a bomb, use your wall skill to block the path - pay attention because the enemy can chain bombs to pass instantly (black numbered bombs on image) >3.気を付ける事 >・置いたボムの爆風でスタンした場合は後逸してしまうので注意 >・ボトルネック以外は置き直しはできないので注意 3. things to be wary of - if you get stunned by the bombs you place the enemy will pass you - you can't reposition the bombs outside of the bottleneck (?) >マス目ぎりぎりを通ることで抜けられる possible to pass by going through at the right time >使用するチャットについて >1.「ごめん」…撃破された場合に使用、前衛もこの報告を重要視する場合がある >2.「私のところも来てください」…ボイスを使用時、味方に回復する事を伝える時に使用 >3.「攻めよう」(味方前衛ベースイン時)…前衛にラッシュを入れて良い場合に使用 >4.「守ろう」(味方前衛ベースイン時)…前衛にラッシュを入れて欲しくない場合に使用 >5.「ここに来てください」(初期時点を指す)…味方シュターに帰還して体力を回復して欲しい場合に使用 >6.「攻めよう」(ベース耐久わずか)…ベースがもう待たない時に使用 >7.「ここに行く」…主にリス埋めする時に使用 >8.「ベース守る/戻る」…ベース防衛に戻る時や、ボイスを使う場合に使用 >9.「ベース守る」(敵撃破後)…コの字やベース周辺の再築城をする時に使用 about using chat voicelines 1. "sorry" => when you die, the frontlines may also pay attention to this 2. "come to where i am" => when using voice/healing, tell this to your allies to heal them 3. "let's attack" (ally offense inside enemy base) => tells the frontlines that they can trigger rush 4. "let's defend" (ally offense inside enemy base) => tells the frontlines that you don't want them to trigger rush 5. "come here" (click on the mini map pointing towards the starting area) => tells the allied shooter you want them to heal
[Expand Post]6. "let's attack" (base with low hp) => let your offense know that the base won't hold for long 7. "go here" (click on the mini map) => telling someone to go to a specific area 8. "defend the base / returning" => when returning to the base to defend or when using voice/healing 9. "defend the base" (after killing the enemy) => rebuilding the U shape or placing blocks around the base >ベース内ヴォールの使い道 how to use blocks inside the base >1.足止めで使うのは弱い >・ベース内の敵に対してこのヴォールの使い方をするのであれば角ボムの方が取れる手段が広がり強い行動になる 1. using it to keep the enemy inside is weak - to make this move stronger, use the wall when there's a bomb at the corner (placed by the shooter) so that it's easier for the bomb to land >2.ベースへの被害軽減 >後隙が長いため角ボムを置く >(1)ベースの被害を抑えたい時に敵を倒すために使う窪みを埋めるために使用 >(2)または窪みにいる敵を囲い込む目的で使用 2. mitigating base damage during long openings place a bomb in the corner (1) when you want to keep base damage under control, fill in the base cavities (2) or inside the cavity, place a wall to trap the enemy on the other side >3.敵を倒すために使用 >・スタンしている敵をボムとヴォールで囲い撃破を狙う >・リス埋めする場合はキャラによっては使えないので注意 3. using it to kill the enemy - when the enemy is stunned, your goal is to surround him with bombs and blocks - place the bombs as numbered (1 left, 2 in the cavity, 3 over the enemy) and use the blocks. watch out for characters with different block placements (some of them can't do this)
i probably won't be able to do this during the week so next page should be saturday or friday i think there's some things i might be wrong about, some of the sentences are too long and i don't know enough conjugation to properly translate them, i feel like this could've been written in a simpler way, i don't know if poropi likes writing like he's shakespeare or i'm just used to simplified japanese from shitty games for children or what
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everyday is torture
>>1278640 >picking Tsugaru against Suisui
>>1279518 the apple is supposed to counter her. but it seems really hard to use, considering you have to be outside of the base and look at the minimap and whatnot. i don't have it yet. i've seen renha use tsugaru against nyorocchi in the desert map (i think it doesn't favor tsugaru since there aren't many corridors) on nyorocchi's stream and crush him so you can do it if you're good enough. also, people say brass is a suisui counter, i can see why but i feel like it's harder to play brass with higher ping than other shooters. maybe i'm just a bad brass player though. i don't have her gacha skill yet and i don't play her often also i think tsugaru is the strongest shooter after the last patch. until they release the new one and make her overpowered to get people to paypig at least
>>1279531 all I know is that they keep i-framing almost everything I throw at them
>>1279548 yeah she's just broken. her cooldowns are too short and the heal on top of having a short cooldown and healing too much, also has iframes up the ass. she was nerfed on arcade but i think it wasn't enough. either way, on konasute, the nerf patch wasn't applied
>>1279518 I played Emera for awhile against her until I could properly get a read on her iframes. Anyway, whats that word Suisui says at the end of her lines? "Jaiyou" Or something like that. What does it mean?
>>1279731 as far as i can tell it's a variation of "dayo", da being short/casual for desu and yo just an emphasis particle
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game from the weekend, i tried doing av1 but it was taking too long. unsure about what parameters to use with ffmpeg too
>>1286715 nice play >file limit 0/50MB >drag 36MB clip >TOO BIG! 36/32MB! somebody lied to me
>>1287462 yea it's 50 if you upload multiple files, but individual file size is capped at 32.
>800 tickets >a single Dark dupe looks like no Suisui for me again >>1287602 naruhodo
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I not dark but okay... ill accept it
>>1290964 Nice joker get.
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>>1290975 its been awhile since my army grew. what accessories should i put on blueberry?
>>1290983 Matching stuff with Momoko
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Finally, 31MB after hours of trial and error.
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>>1290983 Not really much of a Blueberry player myself, so I had just put her in clothes intended for Aqua for the time being.
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>>1290992 >>1291030 they are matching now. beware
>>1291125 Cute shrine maiden idols!
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>>1291002 nice!
>>1290964 nice berry get!
i don't know if blueberry is underrated or an acquired taste but i feel like she's better than most people give her credit for >>1291002 did you use ffmpeg? if so, with what flags/options? if you didn't use ffmpeg directly, it was probably a wrapper for it so if you have the parameters/options etc i can probably use them with it directly
>>1290983 you have a lot of characters. did you ever paypig? i think you're the closest f2p to me if you didn't. might have more than me i dunno i have like 500 something tickets right now, i think i'll wait a couple of days to hit 600 to roll in this banner since burst rolling makes it less likely that konami will just take a dump on your face
https://strawpoll.com/6QnMQr9okne if i have to coordinate the games i'll only post the queue times in one place. it will probably have to be 4cuck
>>1293263 He has Papuru, so he's paid to play the arcade version at some point.
>>1293252 I used handbrake. AV1 10-bit Constant Quality RF 56 FPS: 48 AAC Mono bitrate 32
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>>1295121 Not bad, it makes me happy whenever people find out how much better AV1 is compared to older codecs (no more conspicuous artifacts) but did you use the Handbrake that supports SVT-AV1-PSY? https://github.com/Nj0be/HandBrake-SVT-AV1-PSY If you have the master I could probably put together a tutorial on how to use more advanced AV1 encoding techniques to produce higher quality video. Heck, with tune 0 or 1 you could even use 2-pass VBR encoding like the preexisting VP9 meta. I dunno, it surprises me that a 720x480 clip can take so long to encode, AV1 excels at low resolutions like that.
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https://streamable.com/jlhuar sir, a second oren has hit the tower! >>1293263 I paid when dark came around and got platina, chigusa, brass, and melon I think
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>>1300592 nice. if only konami would rotate the konasute cosmetics so we're not rolling for 6+ year old ones (for over 3 years)
>>1295174 what the fuck that's a lot of flags >>1295121 i'll look it up later thanks >>1296349 i don't understand how that chiamo died. were the bombs desynced and he died because the exploded later on his screen? he seemed to be invulnerable during the explosions
>>1300592 that's a very cute outfit
>>1294022 we're gonna try playing ~25h from now. i'll post the queue times on the 4cuck thread. i'll post here when we're about to play i guess
we'll play in ~15 minutes, queue times on the 4cuck thread
page 7 >ベース戦での弱い動き「敵を追いかける」 weak moves when fighting inside the base ("chasing the enemy") >1)敵の方が有利 >基本的に敵は自分と速度が同類か早いため、切り返しで撤かれやすくボムブロで対応されやすい 1) enemy has the advantage since the enemy moves at the same speed or faster, it's easy for them to shake off defense by placing walls with bombs >2)取り逃すと被害増大 >追いかけて倒そうとして取り逃すと敵は自由に動けるようになり被害が増える 2) as you fail to catch them, damage to the base increases the base takes more damage if you try to chase the enemy and they escape >3)防衛同時の事故 >ベース内を走り回った結果防衛同士のボムで自爆し、スタン状態になる被害が増える事故にも繋がる 3) synchronous defense accidents if you just run around in the base randomly placing bombs, you're gonna stun yourself or the shooter >ベース戦での強い動き「敵を追いつめる」 strong moves when fighting inside the base ("corner the enemy") >「角ボム」を使って敵の動きを制限 >図1角ボム箇所 >図2角ボム後の動き >図3敵のベースインに対応した形 use corner bombs to limit the enemy movement image 1 => placement of corner bombs image 2 => movement after placing corner bombs image 3 => dealing with enemies inside the base >シューターの射線 >敵の進行に合わせ引いていく >取り逃さないようボムで詰めるていく >←解説(4)のダメージを取る動き shooter's line of fire lead according the enemy's movements connect the bombs so they don't miss <= explanation (4)'s movement to deal damage (the enemy inside the area of the rectangle will take damage) >(1)図1のように防衛同士で角ボムを使って囲い敵の動きを制限し、ベースへの被害を減らせる他、シューターの射線を絞ることにも繋がる >(2)ボイスなどを使う場合も基本的に相手の動きを制限させるボムを置いてから行動すると良い >(3)角ボムに置き直すことはできないため、図2のように敵進行に合わせて引いていく(1~4) >(4)無敵がない敵に角ボムから相手に詰め寄っていきダメージを取る事もある(図2の1から繋げる) >(5)図3のように敵のベースインに対しても使用する(1~2ネック下ボムブロ→角ボム) (1) using bombs in the corners like in image 1, you can limit the enemy movement, decrease the base damage, narrow the shooter line of fire etc (2) if there are enemies around, it's also a good idea to place corner bombs when using the voice healing
[Expand Post](3) lead the enemy and place bombs depending on how they move as shown on image 2 (the black circles with 1-4 show the sequence to lay out depending on the enemy -- the sword/attacker -- placement) (4) as you connect the bombs, the enemy will take damage as long as they don't have iframes to use (5) can also place the bombs as shown on image 3 (1-2 bombs below the bottleneck => bomb in the corner)
>>1309863 the purple text wasn't meant to be purple (it's the arrow to the left) but i'm just gonna leave it like that
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suisui is ruining my life
>>1313263 konami correction soon brother
>>1310039 I was already freaking out playing on defence.
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one of the games i played today. i tried encoding as av1 with: ffmpeg -i input.mkv -c:v libsvtav1 -vf scale="752:480" -preset 0 -crf 50 -g 30 -pix_fmt yuv420p -svtav1-params tune=0:film-grain=8 -c:a aac -b:a 128k output.mp4 based on: https://gitlab.com/AOMediaCodec/SVT-AV1/-/blob/master/Docs/Ffmpeg.md but the file was too big. iirc at 2 min or 2:30 it was already 28mb. should i increase -g to 60? and the crf to 60? with mp4 i used ffmpeg -i input.mkv -c:v libx264 -vf scale="852:480" -crf 36 -preset veryslow -c:a aac -b:a 128k output.mp4 which made this file
>>1315906 nice!
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i didnt expect to get joker ice wall so soon. this must be a sign
I keep seeing that one Chiikawa character, and thinking it's ball Asagi.
why the fuck /bag/ mika schizo is posting here fuck off
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>>1317890 i also got the ice wall for blueberry and melon shortly after getting them. but i'm still missing the momokek 3x3 another game from the weekend (not the inhouses)
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>>1315906 Do you have the masters? I can probably encode them for you. So here are some problems I immediately see. >-g is set too low. Generally you want to crank that as high as possible. 300 to 600 for seeking, 9999+ for maximum efficiency, especially because you include loading screens. >film-grain generally is only intended for analog movies because AV1 tends to denoise video, the toggle is intended to synthesize fake film grain, it's got no place for Bombergirl's clean artstyle. You're racheting up the bitrate for nothing. >As desirable as it is to raise the encoding quality preset 2 to 4 have the same features as 0 but are much faster with less time taken. <2 is when you run into placebo territory and you're just wasting your time and CPU. >Audio encoding has come a long way and 128k is kind of high these days. I usually recommend 32k bitrate, although for maximum quality you need to use the original encoders like opusenc and qaac/fdkaac. That slices audio size down 75%. For perspective I figured out how to use two-pass VBR and CVBR encoding with SVT-AV1-PSY and encoded a portion resembling your use case from https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=HNld9fWEXGw using tune 1. While it's also got macroblock artifacting like the H.264 encode you made, it's at 1080p60FPS. With this new knowledge, I'll try and comp a proper tutorial together, although my recommendation is to use 1-pass encoding and tune 2 or 3 with SVT-AV1-PSY since PSY hasn't been fully ported to mainline yet and said process tends to avoid the inconsistent quality in quantization shifting you tend to see with VP9 encodes. In the meantime I'm going to experiment around with tune 0 and compare the two to see which one is better.
>>1324509 i tried encoding with this: ffmpeg -i input.mkv -c:v libsvtav1 -vf scale="752:480" -preset 2 -crf 50 -g 9999 -pix_fmt yuv420p -svtav1-params tune=0 -c:a aac -b:a 128k output.mp4 but at ~4:17 the file was already ~34 mb. i have the raw files but they're like 1gb, i don't know where i could upload them. i think most services don't take files that large, streamable would also convert the files after upload also why do you record at 1080p? doesn't the game render at 720p and upscale everything? i record at 720p since i figured recording this game at a higher resolution was a waste. is it not?
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>>1325683 Gofile.io works just fine for big uploads, although it doesn't keep them around forever unless you have an account. I personally use Staxrip for my encoding, since it has the unique feature of frame-exact cutting. It seems like you're also practicing 1-pass encoding, so it looks like it'll be a good fit for you. Encoding a vid right now so I'll post the settings I use later. >1080p The recording isn't mine, I just looked it up on Jewtube to provide you a direct example of what you could do with modern technological advancements. A magic sauce you're missing out on is not turning on enable-variance-boost. ./ffmpeg -i "BomberGirl | Grim Aloe Gameplay #6 [HNld9fWEXGw]_cut.webm" -c:v libsvtav1 -vf scale="1280:720" -preset 2 -crf 56 -g 9999 -pix_fmt yuv420p -svtav1-params tune=2:scd=1:fast-decode=2:lookahead=120:enable-variance-boost=1:startup-mg-size=3:recode-loop=3:enable-dlf=1 -c:a libopus -b:a 32k -ac 2 "bombergirltest.webm" bitrate=555.8kbits/s
Playing blocker in this bracket feels like im relying on everyone else but myself. >>1326155 miiukade? for real?
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>>1326155 i managed to make 4.mp4 this with that command. image quality does look better. 2.mp4 was made with the ffmpeg command i mentioned earlier i uploaded one of the raws here: https://gofile.io/d/8c0e5147-90e3-4e53-8a3e-738cb6e15c37 also ffmpeg showed these warnings: Error parsing option fast-decode: 2. Error parsing option enable-variance-boost: 1. i guess it's because you have the newest version. i'm using what's on ubuntu 24.04. so the video can probably be compressed further with those flags in a newer ffmpeg version
>>1329876 oh fuck me. i just realized one of them has the wrong resolution lol. i'm not gonna redo it though
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odd games
>>1341071 what are the odds?
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I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE
>>1344250 but you won?
>>1344253 after losing 3 games in a row. these matches always feel extremely lopsided and unsatisfying. but it could just be me feeling burnt out
>>1344257 did you never experience 5 losses in a row during ranked? this is nothing
>>1344257 wait until poropi rapes your ass
https://www.twitch.tv/meatboy_90 now with 100% more kuso plays
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closing in
as always there might be mistakes etc page 8 >ボイス(回復)の扱いと体力管理について voice (healing) and health management >(1)各時間帯ごとのボイスと体力管理 >250秒:前線合流から回復 >・最優先はシューターの体力回復 >・体力十分であればゲートやタワーの回復 >・ボイスがない場合は負傷したシューターに帰還回復指示その間シューターの代わりに防衛 (1) voice and health management for each time interval 250 seconds: healing after joining with the frontlines - first priority is healing the shooter - heal the gates or towers otherwise - if you don't have heal and the shooter has taken damage, give him instructions to go back to the spawn point and defend in his stead >250秒:回復で敵のラッシュを防ぐ >・シューターの体力、ゲージが削れている場合は回復しにベースへ戻る >・ボイスがない場合は負傷したシューターに帰還回復指示その間シューターの代わりに防衛 >・その間に味方のラッシュが入る場合、すぐに破壊されるゲートにボイスは使用しないこと >※ここから先、自軍ゲージがリーサル範囲(ベース破壊圏内)に入った場合「(2)リーサルが見えてきた時のボイスの扱い」に動きが変更される 250 seconds: using heal to stop rush - if the shooter is low on health, the base is taking damage, go back and heal - if you don't have heal and the shooter has taken damage, give him instructions to go back to the spawn point and defend in his stead - if in that interval your frontline triggers rush, don't heal gates about to be destroyed * from here on, when your team's remaining healthbar can be bursted, look at "voice management when healthbar is in lethal range" to adjust your movements accordingly >100秒:ラッシュ消化時間終了 100 seconds: rush usage time ends (i think the idea is you're not supposed to trigger rush with less than 100 seconds left) >100秒:ラスト前前ボイス >※ここからタイムアップ後の判定勝ちを目標とする動きを重視 >目標:100秒~0秒までボイスを3回使用 >・ゲージ差有利又は両方MAX → シューターの体力を回復やバフの付与で防衛力強化 >・ゲージ差下利又は拮抗状態 → 先の展開に向かてベースの回復を行う 100 seconds: 3 voices left * from here on the goal is to focus on moments to win by time up objective: use voice 3 times from ~100 seconds until time runs out - healthbar advantage or both maxed => heal the shooter or use the heal for the (speed) buff - healthbar disadvantage or stalemate => heal the base >60秒:ラスト前ボイス >・ゲージ差有利又は両方MAX → シューターの体力を回復やバフの付与で防衛力強化 >・ゲージ差下利又は拮抗状態 → 先の展開に向かてベースの回復を行う 60 seconds: 2 voices left - healthbar advantage or both maxed => heal the shooter or use the heal for the (speed) buff
[Expand Post]- healthbar disadvantage or stalemate => heal the base >0秒:ラストボイス >・試合終了に間に合うように最後のボイスを使用 0 seconds: last voice - use the last voice right before the match ends >(2)リーサル範囲が見えてきた時のボイスの扱い voice management when healthbar is in lethal range >リーサル範囲とは敵が最大火力を出した時、ベースゲージが0になるに近いゲージ量の事 lethal range is when the base's health can be bursted by the enemy firepower >勝負内容がタイムアップの判定からベースを破壊させるまで耐える勝負となる the game turns into a battle of endurance to stop the base from being destroyed before the timeout (i think that's the gist of it, might not) >例:リーサル勝負ゲージ量の目安 >・この状況でボイスを使用するかどうかの判断は次のボイスまでベースをもたせられるかによる >例:1000(ベース)+350(モモコのボイス)=1350で次のボイスまで耐えられるか >※1メモリ=100 example: lethal healthbar example estimate - in this situation, the decision to use voice depends on whether you can hold the base until the next heal or not example: 1000 (base) + 350 (momoko voice) = 1350 until next heal * 1 rectangle = 100 >リーサル回避のボイスをいつ打つか >・リーサル回避のボイスがキリギリになると即爆のレベル5ボムなどにボイスが間に合わずベースが破壊されてしまう >・使用目安は「ラッシューが起きないゲージ量」 using voice to avoid lethal strikes - when the base is about to be destroyed by an instant explosion of a level 5 bomb or something similar, use the heal to avoid defeat - the reference for using is "an amount that doesn't trigger rush" >敵のゲージを削るベースや回復量なども関係するが、味方が敵のゲージを0まで削る時にラッシュー(ゲージ差800)が入らない状態であれば使用しても問題ない。それ以外の状況では後述する「リーサルを遠ざけるボイス」となる the rate at which the enemy health decreases and the amount you heal both matter, you can heal if it won't trigger rush (800 health difference). other situations turn into what was discussed in "using voice to avoid lethal strikes" >(3)体力管理の重要性 (3) importance of health management >ブロッカーの体力があると取れる行動が広がる >・敵の体力を削るスキルの警戒を緩くできる >・ボムを置いて突撃(タックル)行動を取れる >・前ブ(前衛支援行動)の選択肢が取れる if you have health as blocker there's a lot you can do - you can take some damage from enemy skills - you can place bombs and charge (tackle) - you can help the frontlines push through >シューターの体力を回復する重要性 >・敵撃破→体力があれば前遅延へと行動可能。体力がないと帰還回復で5秒ロス >・ベース防衛に撃破されると大被害へ繋がる importance of healing the shooter - defeat enemy => if you have health, move forward to delay. if you don't have health, you lose 5 seconds returning to base - if the base defense is destroyed, it will take heavy damage >ベース防衛時に撃破されると >・序盤から中盤にベース防衛が撃破される時はそのまま敵のラッシュー消化に繋がる >・ラス前ボイス辺りからでは取返しのつかない大損害となってしまう >・リーサル範囲内ではボイスの使用ができない場面があり、撃破がそのままべースの破壊に繋がる when killed inside the base - in the early and mid game, it might lead to rush being triggered - dying around the time of the last heal will lead to major damage - sometimes you can't heal during the lethal range and getting killed leads to the base being destroyed


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