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I'm playing Investigations now because I never have before. AAI1 was probably the worst AA game I've ever played. I hear AAI2 is good, though. I'm a little ways in and it seems better.

>>1216071 Well outside of Ace Attorney I'm sure that there is a big audience for potential remasters of MH3U, 4U and GU for PC. That would rekindle my love for the company. >>1216173 >AAI1 was probably the worst AA game I've ever played. Even worse than AJ or DD? To be fair I agree it's kind of a slow drag. Gave us some funny memorable quotes though (extraterritorial rights). Despite being written by Yamazaki, I think you will find a lot of similarities to the original trilogy while tackling AAI2. The plot is much more personal to Miles which is why it got so much praise after it got fan-translated.

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I dropped the AJ collection at Dual Destinies Case 2. I'll get back to it someday but I'm just really not feeling it - Apollo and Athena aren't that fun. I own the Investigations games so I may give those a shot sometime Great Ace Attorney is fucking amazing though and might beat out the OG trilogy for me

>>1216270 You have to show some restraint, anon

>>1216266 >Even worse than AJ or DD? Yes without question. AJ and DD at least have good final cases and AJ's first case is peak. Turnabout Ablaze was the worst final case in the series. I was miserable the whole time. The constant stream of every single fucking side character coming in with a new piece of evidence at the end was awful. Yew was the antagonist with actual weight and she was gone halfway through. Alba might be a meme but just being a meme doesn't make it good. Case 4 was the only good one in the game and even it is marred by Edgeworth acting too much like his modern day self.

>>1216300 >I dropped the AJ collection at Dual Destinies Case 2. I will say this, The Monstrous Turnabout is easily the low point of DD. I think it's a very uneven game, but at least everything is uphill after that. Other than that I'm probably Spirit of Justice's strongest soldier. I personally think that's a great game.

>>1215968 Is it Q3 of 2021 yet?

>>1216384 >AJ's first case is peak Based. I had forgotten about it and how good of an introduction it was. It's really a shame how the rest of the game turned out. Phoenix should've stayed out and remained in a mentor role after that. >Case 4 was the only good one in the game and even it is marred by Edgeworth acting too much like his modern self. Agreed. This is actually an issue I've had with the games and content post original GBA trilogy, where they tried to wholesomechungus Edgeworth by lessening the dark aspects of his past. Like with 1-5 where it turned out he only was using false evidence unconsciously instead of how the rumors described him as a Manfred-lite. One angle I wish AAI would've explored is making Edgeworth face the limitations of the justice system he's trying to uphold, via Kay. She being the Yatagarasu successor would've been perfect to introduce a moral conflict like "There's not enough legal evidence I can use to nail that guy down.. should I put Kay in danger and allow her to infiltrate <important place>?" or something of that nature. This time it would be for the truth instead of personal satisfaction, but it would have been a nice callback or tie-in to how he used to be. Would've also a great opportunity to have stealth sections/escape room puzzles a la zero escape. Oh well. >>1216300 I both love and hate the DGS duology. In 2015 it was extremely painful to finish the first game. First case was unnecessarily dragged out. Then the ending left you with a cliffhanger and a lot of unanswered plot points. The cases themselves felt inconsequential and diverted too much from the traditional formula. If it wasn't for the amazing external elements like music, visual presentation, character interactions and overall "comfy" feel DGS would be without question the worst AA game, and in my opinion it's not far from AJ/DD/AAI.

>>1216173 somehow kay and her bullshit gimmick is even worse than ema, god everybody but maya sucks

I just replayed Apollo Justice first case on a whim and the loss of potential feels so bad. Hobo Phoenix was so good

>>1240650 >Hobo Phoenix was so good Hobo Phoenix is too out of place for a character like Phoenix. I know character development exists, but that's just rewriting the entire character.

>>1240743 It always felt to me hobo phoenix was somewhat of a character Phoenix himself played up a little bit. He was being extra aloof and downbeaten to make sure his plan would go without Kristoph noticing. Still a stretch, but I could see this train of thought fitting.

>>1240809 >for 7 years I was pretending to be a hobo for this exact moment honestly makes sense for this franchise considering he wouldnt even be the first person to do that

>>1240743 It was just such a drastic change considering the last time we saw him he was on top of the world and was basically told he fully inherited Mia's legacy and came into his own as a true champion of the law. Yes, I know the game explains why he fell from grace which makes sense when you consider that whatever was left of his family, Maya, Pearls, Edgeworth, all kinda just fucked off to do their own thing. It was just a very jarring way to open the game and introduce a new character.

>>1240275 thank you. i thought i was going insane. i tried the remaster just a few years ago and didnt even finish one game. sure everything else like the music, art, animations, the jury mechanic are all great, but the bad pacing, uninspired twists and unsatisfying resolutions really bogged the game down for me. not to mention how you can predict every single twist from miles away. i appreciate the little sherlock holmes references but not herlock, even if he is just pretending to be restarted. i think both the fan translation and the official one are too faithful to the original japanese, which is as roundabout and redundant as the worst japanese vns get. that said i liked aa1, probably more than most people. even if the chess minigame was stupid, and how it starts to drag on in the later cases. i agree with the community consensus otherwise, its just these two games that throw me

>>1242969 You're not alone, trust me. As opposed to AAI2 which was hyped a lot before it got fantranslated and turned out good, DGS was the complete opposite and it almost made me regret investing so much time into learning japanese back then.

>>1215968 Well there is a porn game of AA

>>1257655 I think there's at least two. Phoenix Drive which is old as fuck and another one currently in development by one of those Patreon people.

Apollo justice collection on Switch: Y/N?

>>1258684 Do you mean should you get it? AA is an incredibly graphically unchallenging game series so it's not like it's bad on Switch. If you're wondering whether the games are good or not that depends on how you feel about AA as a whole. I think they're fun and worth playing. Spirit of Justice is far and away the best of the three of them but AJ and DD aren't without a few good moments themselves.

>>1258740 My bad I should've mentioned I did play AJ but never touched SoJ or DD. Just wanted to know if they are as good on the Switch.

>>1259392 If I had control of the AA series I would make all the het ships canon to kill the fujoshits.

>>1240275 the whole search for the truth angle is retarded. lawyers stand in court to get their way. seeking the truth never enters the picture. of course it stands to reason that punishing the innocent is counterproductive (real culprit still out at large, innocent guy's life ruined), illegal evidence is bad (inadmissible, fruit of the poisonous tree) and mistrials are exorbitantly costly, so it's within the prosecution's best interests to nail the actual perp and at least make a modicum of effort to appear legit >>1240650 the thing is hobo phoenix is not phoenix >>1240743 >that's just rewriting the entire character. a few glimpses of his original trilogy character come through when he shoots down kristoph's flimsy excuses and corners him >>1241080 >he wouldnt even be the first person to do that it happened in the first game of all things

>>1259420 Also renew your fire insurance cause you are getting Kyoani'd

Ok so DGS 3, AAI 3, or a game for athena

>>1261260 AA7 it's been too long. And I'd like Athena to have more of a purpose.

>>1261291 Best I can do is 2 athena cases, a new apollo backstory case, and phoenix wrapping up the rest of the game

Who else thinks the PR world’s court system is interesting as a dystopian lawful-evil system? First of all, fuck juries you get a god-judge. Defense is just a formality — but it is a formality which is STRICTLY adhered to. No matter what, when the Prosecutor makes an assertion the Defense will be given a chance to respond. And if the Prosecutor is unable to deal with the response then a Not Guilty will be issued. Such a system would result in the Prosecution willing in almost all cases but the player has supernatural powers and the Prosecutors he faces will never lie so victory of the Defense becomes possible. All the Prosecution would have to do is lie and there’d be no hope at all.

>>1261311 Hey that's one more than she got in any of her two previous games!

i got done with this finally after a long as fuck 3 months, AA1-3 only took me 1 month because it was so good this was a slog in comparison fuck whoever said to play this because its more grounded - it was just drawn out and boring i found the twist and shit like Asa Shinn being an assassin to be eye rollers

Ace Attorney Investigations 2 is the best game in the series and I like how it was "grounded" the entire time and didn't just ass pull mystic maya stuff that I grew to understand as "good one first playthrough, but real just a boring obstacle to padout the time". AAI2 also has the best pursuit in the game to me, maybe tied with AA1's, due to just how much hype it draws you in with when it starts going to the final sentence of each case. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVA2z_zbWwA

>>1277733 I still can't wrap my head around the same guy who did AAI2 was responsible for fucking DD and I guess SoJ to a slightly lesser extent.

>>1277765 That fact demoralized me so much that, after giving SoJ a chance after pirating it on my 3ds on release, I was officially finished with the series and consider AAI2 to be that actual last one. Either the writer got lucky for AAI2's story or the bigshots said they HAD to include x,y and z and the story ended up being a mess. Doesn't help that Apollo had ANOTHER backstory that he was the stepbrother/prince of a country that killed defense lawyers and didn't tell Phoenix about it Phoenix about it when he was going to said country. The story is just bizarre and the only case I liked in it was the Kabuki one with Blackquill since it felt like a original series case in terms of vibes and dialogue. They really need to stop doing things like "the dark age of law" and "Phoenix and friends liberate a nation" tier stuff because he is a fucking defense attorney. It makes sense for Edgeworth to get involved with international affairs because of his connections and status at the Prosecutor's Office, while Phoenix is just working out of a basic office building he also lives in.

>>1278245 I maintain people wouldn't have complained about Apollo's Kura'in backstory (especially since they tie it to his dad) if they hadn't done the stupid Clay stuff in DD. Hell SoJ is the only game in the "Apollo Justice Trilogy" that's actually about Apollo Justice and lets him be the star.

>>1278245 I like SoJ, more than DD and I do think it was a good game overall. My biggest gripe is that they completely squandered the Phoenix vs Apollo case. I was so hyped for it, when I saw it in the trailers, and it just ended up as a big nothing burger. It would have been so cool, if Phoenix actually believed that his client was in the right, instead of just being forced to do it, or maybe he had to take Edgeworth's place, similar to how he did it in Trials and Tribulations when he went against Franzis(besides Payne and Jacques Portsman, probably the biggest joke of a prosecutor, really wasted potential even in Edgeworth's games) a or maybe he was actually correct, and humbles Apollo a bit in that not every client is innocent, but you still have to believe in them to the bitter end. As it stands, Apollo has never lost a case in his entire life, while Phoenix lost at least 4(the one at the end of Justice for All, the one that resulted in him loosing his badge, the one on the first day of The Rite of Turnabout from SoJ, and another one against Apollo also in SoJ), almost lost against Von Karma in the first game, as the "Guilty" text did appear on the screen, but then Larry stepped in to save the day, and he unofficially lost a case, when someone impersonated him. At this point even Edgeworth lost fewer cases. Phoneix should have been running in circles around Apollo, putting constant pressure over Apollo, basically being Von Karma if he wasn't cheating, instead he had the "actually this is a murder case" card, did one last ditch to save his case, and then gave up, because he knew his client was guilty. Fuck that shit. At least the end prosecutor was fun, it felt like a stereotypical JRPG where you fight God, I mean she was not just the former Head Prosecutor and Minister of Justice, she is not even just the Queen of the country which enables her to rewrite laws as she pleases, she is the descendant of the country's religion, being God on Earth, acting as Judge, prosecutor and jury, and not only that she was also the true criminal but still got defeated by Apollo. I don't know where you can go from there, I think they need to tone it down for their next game. >the Kabuki one When playing it, it felt like a giant shitpost by the japanese writers to see how in the hell were the American localization team going to westernize that case with all the udon and soba references. Poor Athena, she got to star in one case, but was so bad at it, she had to be baby-sited by the prosecutor from the previous game. >>1278300 >Clay Who? Looking up the wiki, he was Apollo's childhood friend introduced in DD. Huh? I played DD and SoJ almost back to back and I completely forgot about that plot point. So basically every game had it's own backstory for Apollo.

>>1278300 They could've just centered it around the loose ends from AJ of his mother and Trucy. No need to basically rewrite him from the ground up just to give him more drama.

>>1279857 I mean case 2 kind of did that. It's one of the reasons I think it was a good case. And Apollo's dad was an unknown quantity since it was known since AJ he and Trucy were half-siblings and her dad was already explored. I do agree it was annoying Thalassa wasn't addressed in SoJ.

>>1279857 As someone who genuinely enjoyed Apollo's game and was curious to see where they took his story next, it still pisses me off that the 3DS games discarded basically everything it set up. >Trucy gets shoved into a corner and is barely relevant outside of 6-2 >Apollo and Trucy never find out that they're related >The Gramarye stuff gets """"resolved"""" in a single filler case where the writers pull a fifth member out of their ass with zero foreshadowing, rather than doing anything more with either of the two Gramaryes who are still alive >Klavier appears in one (1) DD case—where he ends up feeling like a cheap cameo because he isn't really relevant to the case itself—and that's the last we see of him >Phoenix immediately reverts back to his pre-hobo self offscreen between games >The Jury system is completely memoryholed and trials are still conducted exactly the same way as before >Unlike in the original trilogy (which had a handful of recurring witnesses like Larry, Lotta, and Oldbag), none of the side characters from AJ are ever heard from again until the Thalassa cameo at the end of SoJ I get that AJ was a controversial successor to the trilogy, but it sucks that they threw the baby out with the bathwater without even trying to salvage anything. Playing DD for the first time was easily one of the worst rugpulls I've ever experienced from a video game series.

>>1281272 >Oldbag The 3DS games not having Oldbag raises them a whole letter grade for me. One of the reasons AAI-5 was so awful was because of her. I hate her so much. She's such a fucking annoying character.

>>1281350 She was okay in 1-3 imo. The issue with her character (and other recurring ones) is that she got flanderized and reduced to a gimmick instead of being her own person. Larry suffers from this too but to a lesser extent

>>1281723 >She was okay in 1-3 imo Yeah that was fine. It should have been her only appearance.

>>1240275 I agree DGS1 would be shit if it weren't for the sequel and doesn't stand up well as a solo game for that reason, but I really thing DGS2 knocks it out of the park with the best average quality-per-case of the entire series aside from AAI1-2 which I haven't played yet I also think the DGS games have the best investigation sections, if only because the Dance of Deductions add some level of engaging puzzle solving to the mix

>>1281350 oba-chan is more bearable in the anime. they gave her a conscience and toned down her obstructiveness and obnoxiousness

Shamelessly shilling for Trials Of Innocence. Just like Tyrion Cuthbert, it's almost a textbook clone of the ace attorney games. Sound design and animations could be polished a bit, translation is MTL tier at times but the story and "vibe" are really great. Was a bit iffed by the chinese dub but I think it's the kind of stuff that you can get used to quickly. There's also english and japanese but it's only for the vocalized interjections. I'm only on case 3 so far but I've been enjoying my time a lot with this game, more than I initially anticipated at any rate.

>>1360837 >it's almost a textbook clone of the ace attorney games. Sounds neat, I might give it a try, since it's been some time , since I last played an AA game. >translation is MTL tier at times but the story and "vibe" are really great Also a good opportunity to test my Japanese skills on a game with a lot of lawyer vocabulary. >chinese dub <made by a chink company Oh... I am sure it's good, but I haven't played DGS 2 on the 3DS, so I will play that first.

>>1360837 Bumping to say that this game is REALLY good, just finished case 4 and it made me feel more invested than I was playing any of the 3DS games. Don't be scared by the low production values or translation issues. The apparent MTL makes some filler humorous moments better but the dialogue does come across as too direct at times especially during the confrontations. Despite that I can safely recommend this to any AA fan out there. I find the interaction between characters charming like they were in the original trilogy. Turned from a pirate to a buy for me. >>1360869 >DGS 2 on the 3DS Why not benefit from the higher res and framerate on PC/console? Or even through the android version. The 3D AA games tend to be slow especially on 3DS.

>>1378080 Because I like the 3D effect plus it was used a lot in the final case of the first DGS game, so I assume something similar in the second game.

>>1378080 Interesting.

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>>1378126 >so I assume something similar in the second game There will be, kind of. Can't wait to see your reaction to "it".

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>>1216173 Finished AAI2. Great game. Easily top three in the series. Yamazaki can bring it when he tries (I'm probably one of the few who felt like he also brought it for SoJ). There are no bad cases. The promise of "each case feels like a finale case" is true for at least the back three. Every case being inter-related is very cool. No Oldbag anywhere, huge plus. All the secondary characters were good as was the final villain. The one downside is you are kind of expected to play AAI first and that game is sawdust, but it's worth it for this. And with that I've played every AA game. Hope they make a new one some day.

>>1378080 >Why not benefit from the higher res and framerate on PC/console? because they censored the tgaa in an update. in japan >>1384495 >Holmes you're getting sued >>1437171 his name will always be sebastian debeste

Does the PC version of GAAC have Engima Protector? I saw it randomly got an update in April 2024 with no patch notes.

Which character has your favorite transformation / breakdown? Also what if your favorite in-court violence?

>>1479375 I like Matt Engarde becoming evil. Very simple transformation but I always liked the twist. As cor courtroom violence I like when Franzy whips people.

>>1479433 I can't believe I thought of the same two things you did. Yes, I liked Franziska's whip even though I am not into S&M, and I liked Matt Engarde's breakdown/transformation. >>1479375 So to give some other answer, I really liked the Phantom's breakdown, as in the idea of having so many masks you don't even know who you really are and less the execution he gets snipped. The whole Phantom could have been done better, but at least it was a cool concept and made me think a bit. As for violence in the courtroom, I can't remember all that many instances, the only other thing I can think of is Blackwill's sword and hawk so there's that.

>>1479375 >>1479433 There is a charm to the simpler breakdowns of the original trilogy. Sahwit throwing his toupée is simple yet memorable. On the other hand, they can get really creative in the later games. I like Paul Atishon's hallucination.

>>1439348 Just pirate an older version. >>1479375 For me, it's "Ini"Miney's love of cars slowly seeping through and revealing that Mimi was actually still alive. I could swear that the basic sprite is also kinda hinting she's holding a steering wheel, though this might be a huge stretch. Looks kind of big.

>>1215968 Pearl and Emma are for me then