>>1377948 For launch?

>>1377948 fake and gay

>>1377948 >wiki has drafts ready so they can be up the moment an announcement up interesting but why did you post this?

I feel like they blew their load with Ultimate. What can they possibly bring to outdo it?

>>1378496 Ultimate ((Deluxe))

>>1377948 >>The first teaser trailer was revealed at the end of the Nintendo Direct on April 2nd, 2025

>>1377948 >no archive of source

OP is a faggot but the next Smash is probably coming 2026 or early 2027. So development of Ultimate ended at the end of 2021. But in late 2023, they started updating the game again with Spirit Events. The last time something like this happened was Splatoon 2. After ending Splatfest in 2019, they started them back up out of the blue in 2020. Then in 2021, they announced Splatoon 3. So the fact they are working on suggest they got are working on it again. >BUT SAKURAI IS MAKING ANOTHER GAME The game is likely being made by another team, most likely the Mario Kart team. The timing of the Smash Ultimate updates are interesting because its was right when the Mario Kart 8 Booster Pass ended. Even more interesting, Bamco's studio S/2 put out a job listing with action game with a side view. Bamco also worked on Mario Kart 8, Tour and ARMS. The Mario Kart team would actually be the best team within the company to make it since they work on multiplayer games with online and already draw from the history of a specific franchise (being Mario). >https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2023/12/bandai-namco-announces-new-dev-studio-for-commissioned-projects >BUT WHAT ABOUT SAKURAI I don't think Nintendo wants to work with him anymore. Smash makes too much money to have it be done by a freelancer and the guy that kept this relation going has long since passed away. Also, I don't think Smash is as special as Sakurai wants to make it. The guy who makes the game (and likely makes a killing doing so) says only he can make it? Color me surprised.

I can only imagine the hell of renewing all of those licenses. Also fuck nintendo for never adding Ryu to smash. They added joker and steve but not the guy who had a full trilogy on the NES.

after ultimate i have no desire to play smash bros ever again.

>>1377948 >Octoling >Not an echo lol lmao even.

>rosterfagging on .moe after the dlc ended, everyone slowly realizes how underwhelming ssbu was even compared to 4. imo people don't really expect much from this series anymore aside from hoype mugen-tier crossovers, and even then they can get a way better fix from fortnite which has a shitload more franchises it can crossover with. that said i think nintendo not showing an enhanced edition of ultimate for switch 2 could be a giveaway that we're gonna get one with a somewhat substantial update (kinda like the pokken dx port for switch 1) revealed soon-ish. maybe we'll even see a new pass out of that? it's not out of the question that, rather than making a new game that will feel "scaled down" and will have to take some risks to justify the evolution from the last game, they're gonna play it safe and just release a port. or i'm spewing bullshit and the new smash will be exactly that. don't think people will be mad with a smaller roster, they can just switch up the third parties, and cut character can just be re-added behind a price.

>>1379938 >4 revisionism hey hey, let's not get crazy now.

>>1379938 This is how I always felt about Ultimate. I had way more fun with Smash Run and Crazy Orders than I did with anything in Ultimate. It felt like the game was just MEMBER THIS without any actual substance. World of Light was no where near as good as other modes and every mode that was in the game was a worse version of a previous one. I also think the game was just better when it was Nintendo focused. It gave the game an identity that is kind of lost with Ultimate. It also gave weight to stuff other than characters. Now its just soyfacing about whos in, and interest in the game dies the minute the dopamine rush is gone. I'd go as far as to say it's one of my least favorite Smash games. Also, I doubt there will be a Deluxe version. Nintendo wants to sell a new game and licensing even for the base game would be a bitch. They also want people to keep their NSO accounts and Smash is a good way to do it.

>>1380020 i don't mind third parties, even fringe ones, but it's clear they took of the development's focus later on. sakurai, or whoever may be developing the next smash, should focus on making an enjoyable game worth playing even without online or with fighter passes. as you said, ultimate lacked severely compared to other games, the only one addition that was as fun as the past modes were tournaments and the criminally underused kof-like team mode. also i think companies, even japanese ones, would be more eager to renew licenses for a port of a reliably succesful game like ssbu than do thag for a new game, even if still smash-related. even if they asked more, a port worth buying over with additional content (and possibly cross-play) would sell well regardless >>1379946 stfu, smash run was awesome and would have been even more if they made it again and added battle royale elements in ultimate. and besides many modes and features were much better in 4, like classic mode, all stars, trophies and even the goddamn online

>>1380196 >>1380020 Yeah, it had better single player modes but the combat wasn't as good as Ultimate. Although I know that isn't saying much considering that Smash never really had a combat system that was super robust, but at the same time I think that the rage mechanic made Smash 4 the worst Smash.

So much for Smash Bros “Ultimate”. What should happen, but clearly won’t, is for Nintendo to make a new crossover ip doing something different than smash. I don’t know what it would be exactly, but something more than just making another smash game. Ultimate should have been the final smash.

>>1380357 Make a game showing that Metroid, F-Zero, and Star Fox take place in the same universe. The three have to team up to do literally who gives a fuck. Samus for first person shooter levels. Captain Falcon for driving levels. Fox for flying levels. You're welcome, Nintendo.

>>1379938 >>1379946 >>1380020 >>1380196 >>1380273 What I find funny is how people talking about how "hollow" Ultimate is compared to Smash 3D, but no one ever realizes how "hollow" Smash 3D is when compared to Melee or even fucking Brawl. Forget about online, forget about tounreyfags, and just make good singleplayer content. I want another Adventure Mode. But that's also assuming that Nintendo gives a shit, and I lost any hopy about that back in 2015.

I fucking hate Smash and I genuinely never want to see another round of Smash speculation ever again as long as I live. But the game is a cash cow and it's never going away so I might well brace for the storm. I think Sakurai is an overrated, shitty game designer, and if he was any good he would've evolved Smash's gameplay at some point in the last 25 years, but it hasn't done that. The last significant change to Smash was the addition of side specials in Melee and the rest of the games after that have just been various mutations on the same formula. I think Smash could have something genuinely unique and interesting if it had a gameplay evolution in the form of going fully 3D, like Power Stone 2. This but with four players could be an amazing product. Sadly Sakurai is too lacking in imagination to do something like that so he's most likely just going to make "the same game with adjustments" again and oh look they're going to introduce the Nintendo Gamecube controller adapter for Switch 2 because it still needs to be designed for that controller for some reason. Smash if it was good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gse-tk4lMfE

characters that WILL be playable: red sus karate man from virtua fighter roy (melee) dr Luigi (has the Poltergust 3000 for some reason) hatsune miku from fortnite

>>1380672 I believe it.

>>1380672 >the Poltergust 3000 I'm so fucking upset that they took away Luigi's final smash from Brawl. That was my favorite thing to spam.

>>1380196 >also i think companies, even japanese ones, would be more eager to renew licenses for a port of a reliably succesful game like ssbu than do thag for a new game, even if still smash-related. even if they asked more, a port worth buying over with additional content (and possibly cross-play) would sell well regardless The main problem is DLC. Its way more profitable for the licensees to collect a royalty from sales than to just get a flat fee. Thats one thing that will prevent a port of Ultimate or any Smash game past Melee. That said, Nintendo has been weird with Smash recently. Its not on Nintendo Music. It's not one of the series you can follow on Nintendo Today (despite being the 4th best selling Switch game). They've never added Smash 64 to NSO. Its in a weird limbo. Even during the Switch presentation, I saw it once on the Gamechat section in the corner (and it was just Mario vs Bowser). ] I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo wants to put THEIR stamp on Smash Bros rather than just have it be all about Sakurai's whims and wishes.

>>1380196 Smash Run was the best part of 4 and I wish it wasn't stuck on the goddamn handheld.

>>1377948 After the download link is ready, post it so I can pirate it.

>>1380388 >I want another Adventure Mode. Me too, Anon. But I would vastly prefer if it were more like Melee's Adventure Mode, where there's better crossover content and arcade-style gameplay. SSE was a letdown by comparison, running around in mostly royalty-free stages, fighting mostly royalty-free damage sponges, while forced to use mostly shit characters until endgame/postgame.

I don't understand how people can actually like this game series. It's gay unbalanced shit where a fucking minecraft character is considered OP and the gay mechanic that is falling off the map

>>1381626 >It's gay unbalanced shit yes that's the point. It's mario kart but fighting and you can punch peach and pikachu in the face.

>>1381647 Imagine being ok with a minecraft character being in S tier lol

>>1381674 imagine

>>1379388 You can pretty easily find the source by just putting the text into google It was a draft of a smash bros wiki page so they would have something ready immediately just in case nintendo actually did announce smash at the direct (which didn't happen)

>>1382083 >You can pretty easily find the source by just putting the text into google That's not how it works. Provide a source or fuck off

>>1381674 why should I care, nigger? I don't play this party game competitively

>>1381714 We honestly need more levels with vertical, impassible walls. The fan needs to be even more broken.

>>1377948 >no fox I'm sure they wouldn't screw over star fox after so many games >>1380020 >I also think the game was just better when it was Nintendo focused no that's just your nostalgia glasses. what actually changed is that it changed from a passion project to some sort of crossover franchise promotion with guidelines and mandates getting in the way of fun, creative stuff. it's not the presence of 3rd parties per se. the same thing could happen to games made by one company

>>1384327 To be fair, Fox wasn't announced in the first Brawl trailer either.

>>1379841 I go back to 4, sometimes. I have no hope for the next one. >>1380020 I think the problem with third parties is that everything becomes a popularity contest. This is an area where limitations can breed creativity. Even with specific companies, you'll never get a character like Protoman, because if Nintendo and Capcom already have to negotiate, they'll try to pick someone who will make more waves.

Who's returning and who's not?

>>1385972 I'd be funny if steve never came back

People have so thoroughly given up on the idea of Smash Bros.'s gameplay ever being good again that all there is to discuss is rosterfaggotry. I'm not really looking forward to all the "leaks" in a post-AI world.

>>1384327 >what actually changed is that it changed from a passion project to some sort of crossover franchise promotion with guidelines and mandates getting in the way of fun, creative stuff What I think you don't realize is that third parties basically facilitated that. Smash became a series about "Whos in" while every other aspect fell to the wayside. Third parties make the game more about the characters than anything else. Not to mention with so many companies involved, its going to make the series feel sterile because it has to be. I'd argue a big reason Smash Ultimate looks washed out is because it needed to be with so many different characters from different companies and games. Like >>1385695 mentioned, limitations breed creativity. If you can only take characters from Nintendo, you are going to have to get more creative on what you have and you may have to make a unique moveset rather than slapping a meter or gimmick to be "like the original game." It means you might have to go outside the "hype" characters and justify the guy your adding in. I'd also argue that when it focuses on just one company, you can give the game a better identity or even do things that are about "Nintendo" that aren't just the characters (like stages or items). Third parties are just peak slop and its not surprising that no one is excited for the new one since the series is just character reveal trailers now

>>1385972 They can't afford to remove anyone again. That's just retarded. What they need to do is reorganize the character select screen by franchise so it's less cluttered. Thing is, they don't really need to do much with Smash as a concept anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if the next Smash is genuinely the last (they already named this one "ultimate," for fuck's sake) and the franchise moves to a "live service" format. What I mean is this. Say Switch 2 gets the release "Super Smash Bros." No subtitle, just a "soft reboot." It starts out being "Ultimate Deluxe" with every single piece of DLC from Ultimate available in the game at launch. All characters, stages, and Mii costumes built in. Further, every past stage from every previous Smash not already in Ultimate is included, as well as every past song. Call that the initial "bonus." Then, every 1-6 months, they simply release one new character+stage+music combination for $5.99. They can then just stretch that out as long as they like. When Switch 3 is released, if you own Super Smash Bros. for Switch 2, you can literally just re-download it again for free and restore your purchases. If you're new to the franchise, you buy Super Smash Bros for the Switch 3 and can start DLC'ing from there.

>>1386565 >They can't afford to remove anyone again Its the complete opposite. There are 16 characters owned by 8 different companies. With how much time and money it would take to get them back, they would never consider being everyone back. >It starts out being "Ultimate Deluxe" with every single piece of DLC from Ultimate available in the game at launch Thats also never going to happen because those companies want their cut of the $4.99 DLC. There is a reason they have way more licensed content as DLC. Nintendo painted themselves into a corner with Ultimate and they can never really do it again.

>>1386647 This, the only way forward for Smash is scaling down on roaster faggotry and actually focus on Nintendo characters, and not fucking Wii Fit trainer or the 5th Fire Emblem sword dude, actual characters that fucking matter. Characters barely got their moveset reworked from entry to entry and Mario (the big bing himself, the face of Nintendo) still has a lame moveset from the 64 era (bar the tacked on FLUDD move) while third party characters get to have unecessarely complex mechanics just to stand out in the bloated roaster (hi Steve). If they focus on making like 20 very good and different characters, it'll be more than enough.

>>1386647 >With how much time and money it would take to get them back I don't understand this. Just give them the same cut of sales they got for Ultimate, per purchase, with respect to their licensed characters.

A story mode for this game would be cool if the characters had any sort of agency or interacted with each other in any way or even fucking acted like themselves. But no it's just gonna be soulless made up shit and robots wearing characters skins because this fucking overrated hack is still allowed to be in charge.

Tingle needs to be the next joke character in the next Smash game. The Mario franchise had their shot with Piranha Plant, it's Zelda's turn.

>>1382083 >Using Jewgle That's like sucking cock if you have a protein deficiency

>>1379789 Smash had some really dogshit DLC choices.

>>1379789 >Joker Funny how we could instead have Jack Frost as a general Atlus representative, and it would make sense because Nintendo consoles have a shitton of MT games. But no. Joker is popular, nevermind the fact that outside of 2 spinoffs none of the main Persona games have ever been on a Nintendo console. Let's have Joker.

>>1389547 People don't understand what motivates DLC character choice. Hint, it's money.

>>1389547 I like how they put Steve Minecraft in with none of the music from Minecraft

>>1389547 Most of them were solid choices like Sora, Hero, Banjo, Pyra/Mythra, Sephiroth, Kazuya, etc. Although my issue with some of the characters like Sora and Joker is that you can tell they cut a bunch of corners with running animations and making the down special move a counter if they can get away with it. Additionally choices like Joker, Steve, and Min Min were just awful, I'm willing to defend Byleth considering that they were implemented better than say Corrin. Having Min Min over Spring Man just makes no god damn sense, and would also make people happy over arguments over the Assist Trophy autism. Why does Nintendo of America change Japanese names so much? Are they that afraid of having Japanese culture in their games?

>>1390746 >Why does Nintendo of America change Japanese names so much?

>>1390746 >Are they that afraid of having Japanese culture in their games? yes you moron. how have you failed to catch on in 30+ years? remember, foreign bad. all traces of foreigness must be expunged

>>1390815 That's kinda retarded.

>>1390763 The funny thing? This is apparently the wrong form of the word in Dutch. It should be Dorpeling, or simply Dorper.

>>1390882 You're a Dorper.

>objectively the best female character in all of vidya >remake of her game is coming out soon >kiseki's popularity is at an all time high >fights with something other than a sword, fists, or laser gun IT'S HER TURN

>>1389841 You could say the same thing about Cloud and Snake, to be fair.

Smashbros fans in a nutshell.

>>1392356 >forgetting about Twin Snakes

>>1392751 Was that before or after Smash though?

>>1379789 WILLIAM ADAMS AND RYU HAYABUSA FOR SMASH!

>>1392985 >1kat lol

>main Luigi >secondary Zelda, Zero Suit Samus, Lucina What on Earth does this say about me, I wonder.

Where the fuck is the source. The wiki doesn't count, which is also unsourced. There was no logo in the Switch 2 trailer.

>>1393191 There is no source, it was all literally just wiki speculation.

>>1393191 >he has never been in a fake leaks thread my condolences, speculation is death.

>>1379789 kasumi

>>1393191 It's literally just a spam thread written by an LLM that is allowed to remain up, apparently.

>>1379789 How would (((YOU))) make ryu hayabusa in smash without having entire armies of retards fucking your shit up everyday holy day like the bayo clinical retards

>>1394120 i would make him fun

>>1390746 > Min Min were just awful Opinion discarded. Please refrain form replying to my posts while being gay.

>>1393126 Insanely dishonest subhuman using a secondary as a smokescreen

>>1394947 Dishonest in what capacity? Smokescreen for what? I like how the characters handle. I'm just confused why it's a harem.

>>1394985 >Luigi Absolutely fucking disgusting character. Invincible reversal that gets him out of Ultimate's already nonexistent disadvantage state for free; can do whatever he wants off of dthrow, including 0-to-death'ing you or confirming into upB or downB for a kill at higher %s; grab that doubles as a disjointed projectile. >Zelda Dishonest wi-fi warrior character who can only survive in double digit frames of input lag. >ZSS No opinion. >Lucina Honest character that you're playing to ease your guilty conscience for playing Luigi.

>>1395011 >Absolutely fucking disgusting character. All that sounds extremely fun. Shame my last Smash was 4. >Dishonest wi-fi warrior character who can only survive in double digit frames of input lag. I just play locally. >Honest character Yay. As much as I hate the FE overrepresentation, she just feels good to use. Hits well, good reach, fairly maneuverable. Like Luigi in Brawl, really.

>>1395011 >No opinion. found the ZSS main

>>1395187 Honestly, I really hate fighting ZSS, but I don't think she's dishonest. Just really fucking annoying.

>>1392356 It's a bit of a stretch, but Cloud was in Chain of Memories on GBA. That said, the Final Fantasy series has been on Nintendo consoles since the NES, picking Cloud for Smash is just going with the most recognizable character from the franchise. >>1392705 >forgetting about the first game in the series

>>1395916 The thing is it's quite literally MGS Snake that was chosen for Smash and not MG Snake, and why the chosen stage for the series being included in Smash was Shadow Moses Island.

>>1377948 I wonder if any Assist Trophies or NPCs will get promoted to playable fighter

>>1379789 Yeah sure it may be nice to get modern popular characters but I feel Ultimate got too heavy handed with it, you got shit like Joker, Byleth (who is the worst offender), Steve and I guess Min Min and Pythra. No everyone played their games or will have attachments to them. And yeah yeah “But Minecraft and Steve are popular” still don’t give a Chicken Jockey ass about an aesthetically eyesore franchise like Minecraft.

Here’s fun questions for you all: Who was the LEAST deserving character that STILL got in? And why? Who was the MOST deserving character that still DID NOT get in? And why? I know the word “Deserving” is misused, subjective or a strong word but I love these hearing opinions on characters

>>1380020 Character trailers where the side characters from its series comment on the character getting in are so cringe inducing if poorly executed, Dragon Quest Hero is based for not having any spoken lines from any side character, just riding a horse and a Slime hopping around

>>1386028 Funny? I think It’d be based, people are peak retarded if they keep him in their cutting the roster videos

>>1380990 Nintendo has already put their stamp on Donkey Kong with that new redesign after 30 years of using the Rare design mind you

>>1389841 And then the dumb Atlus Shitlus idiots took forever to put their shitty games on the Switch for the crowd who wouldn’t shut up about wanting the games ported to Switch, Atlus themselves still continue to milk the hell out of Persona 5, same thing Square Enix does with FF7

>>1392326 Get the fuck in line bitch An unpopular pick, but I’d love to see Ayumi Tachibana from Famicom Detective Club be given a spot. Sakurai wanted her in Melee but all we got was a trophy. She’d also be great representation for the VN and adventure games considering that her games were wildly influential on its genre. It would be great advertisement for another game in the series, especially since MAGES said the remakes performed well and surprisingly getting a new game with 2024’s Emio the Smiling Man

>>1396247 The vast majority are just going to think she is a "generic anime girl".

>>1396384 Gaijins and their opinions do not exactly matter to Nintendo, even more so these days

>>1396164 No shit, they're obviously going to use his newest interpretation. My point was that Snake is not a character from a spin-off franchise like Joker. Snake and the Metal Gear franchise has been on Nintendo consoles longer than people realize, the damn thing released the same year as Castlevania.

>>1397374 >still mad

>>1386461 I love that pikachu design so much

>>1396247 >An unpopular pick This is exactly what Smash should be though, a museum of Nintendo's history. Give me some obscure character from a game that sold 1 copy on the Famicom, not a "celebration of gaming" AKA whatever FOTM is hot on twitter at the moment.

>>1392326 >Another generic anime girl We have plenty, thanks

>>1397374 Well actually the Minecraft zombie is a playable character

>>1392326 Adol would get in over a trails rep.

>>1396211 I don't think there's any character that's "undeserving" but the way Sakurai implemented them was found out to be completely dreadful and stupid. I'd argue that Steve is such a non-character that he wouldn't be deserving of inclusion, but they could've done something cool with him where you could customize him like the avatars in Minecraft, making him sort of a third-party Mii Costume. Sadly that was beyond the scope of what they wanted to make, but god damn, he highlights a problem that all the characters have where they're not really designed as "fighting game characters". Steve completely destroys the idea that Smash is a real fighting game because you can just wall off the stage and camp until time runs out. He is completely antithetical to the gameplay of Smash and they should have never made him like this. But all the Smash characters are designed to be more like toys than actual fighting game characters.

>>1396247 I've read citations showing that Sakurai wanted her in Smash 64, Melee, and Brawl, finally just giving up. And obviously James Bond was temporarily on the docket for Smash 64, except MGM wouldn't license his likeness. >>1396211 The fact that there are still four "spaces" is strange to me. Could they have abandoned another wave of characters?

>>1398047 Seems like you forgot to read the last point of wanting to hear opinions for fun, conveniently ignoring it, stupid bitch

>>1397374 it's hilarious how hard the mii costumes mogged the actual playable fighters during fp2 >dante >dovakhiin >travis >doom slayer >shantae >arthur >monster hunter >tifa lockhart >barrett >heihachi >lloyd irving >vault boy that's even excluding the first pass' mii costumes meanwhile the only cool characters were sephiroth and kazuya (heihachi would've been cooler tho). the xeno gals are boring and sora is both faggy as fuck and tied with one of the biggest cancer in the entire industry i hope at least they take these costumes as a potenrial lineup for the next game also sakurai should stop pretending people give a shit about their favourite characters being costumes or even worse, assists

>>1396211 >least deserving been discussed to death buu any character introduced like >>1396219 on the left is objectively shit tier and is guaranteed to go on the chopping block. that or other fotm/joke characters like incineroar, wft and piranha plant even if they actually have fun movesets comaper to the former >most deserving third parties, either ninja gaiden or smt. i don't give a fuck about these being "too gorey" or "too erotic" we already have fucking bayonetta. even then kids dont play smash anymore, might as well grow some balls first parties i guess captain toad, waluigi, a new zelda rep, waddle dee and octolings are a must have for the next game, alongside some fan favs. as dor unreeped series, advance wars and rhythm heaven are the last fairly popular nintendo series that still lack a fighter

>>1398587 fun is to enjoy the characters, think in autistic movesets and make pictures like the one you posted. Arguing over which fictional character has the bigger cock is gay as shit, and is what killed discussion in general when comes to smash.

>>1398767 >Waluigi Even within the Mario franchise you have better picks than fucking Waluigi, even RPG crap like a Goomba that can be ever Goombaria or Goombella would be more interesting. It's embarassing how much of a non-character he is, even Daisy actually was in a mainline Mario game in the 90s and is now in Mario Run and Mario Wonder. Plus you get into a weird situation where Wario is in the "WarioWare" franchise while Waluigi is in the "Mario" franchise. >Captain Toad Much better pick, could be just Toad in general too. >Waddle Dee I mean, if you MUST have another Kirby rep. Doesn't seem very interesting. >Octolings Inkling echo? >dor unreeped series, advance wars and rhythm Now we're talking, would've been much better than fucking Wii Fit Trainer or ROB.

>>1389841 It's crazy to me that there wasn't even a spirit event for Jack Frost, or any SMT characters, even when SMT5 released. I know it's less popular than Persona, but to not give the series that's mostly been on Nintendo even the slightest acknowledgement in favor of the, at the time, Playstation exclusive one is just sad.

Do people genuinely not understand how and why characters are selected for inclusion? It's difficult to tell how much of the coping and seething that accompanies rosterfaggotry is sincere.

>>1377948 >Good physics gone since Brawl >Adventure mode levels gone since 4 >Missions, trophies, unlockable characters and Polygon Team gone since 'ultimate' I've lost interest in Smash.

>>1396211 >Who was the LEAST deserving character that STILL got in? And why? I'm going with the character from an unreleased game that was added as an advertisement. >Who was the MOST deserving character that still DID NOT get in? And why? Probably one of the Mii costumes. Outside of them, Rayman maybe.

>>1398700 >also sakurai should stop pretending people give a shit about their favourite characters being costumes or even worse, assists I agree, better to have five obscure characters than 20 assists. Besides people loved Marth, Ness, Captain Falcon, Mr. Game and Watch, and Ice Climbers. I have no idea why he stopped putting these characters in come Brawl.

>>1400099 it's funny because even if he didn't kick her, she clearly missed him

>>1379562 >>BUT WHAT ABOUT SAKURAI >I don't think Nintendo wants to work with him anymore. My brother in Christ, not only was Air Riders the finale of the Nintendo Switch 2 direct, but they made sure to announce he was the director for the game as well. SSB6 willl be developed with Samurai at the helm.

>>1396247 I expect her to get in as either the Retro or Shock value addition. Ring Fit Adventure is another potential addition. My fingers are crossed for both Monster Hunter and Mega Man.EXE to get in. Hunter should be a shoo in, not so much for EXE.

>>1397635 >Steve completely destroys the idea that Smash is a real fighting game because you can just wall off the stage and camp until time runs out. He is completely antithetical to the gameplay of Smash and they should have never made him like this. But all the Smash characters are designed to be more like toys than actual fighting game characters. He breaks conventions, but the competitive community has done fuck all to try and adjust for the precedent he set. Rainbow Cruise was legalized in Brawl to give characters a fighting chance. Yet the stage list hasn't budged in the year of our lord 2025.

If Smash is truly a "celebration of games" then no video game character is ineligible, although what's going to end up happening is that Sakurai is just going to choose from his favorites (which may as well all be from the same game, because he really only cares about JRPGs). The ballot was a mistake, I think characters should be chosen based on what sort of gameplay they bring to the table as well as the genre and design diversity they have.

>>1400918 I think the issue with the ballot is that it's based on pure popularity rather than what that character does interesting. I think that characters like Ray MK III and Takamaru will get sidelined because they're not the most popular characters despite bringing archetypes that aren't really used (Modern Mech, Samurai, Gunslingers, etc) >>1400607 When did they announce that Sakurai was the director for SSB6? I'm sure they'll keep him if he wants to be on, but I don't see them stopping Smash if he doesn't wanna do it either. Kinda like Kamiya with Devil May Cry where he didn't want to make a new game, so Capcom brought on some random developer to make DMC2 and then fucked up so bad that Itsuno had to come in and not only fix up DMC2 so it was a semi-presentable product but also make DMC3 the best DMC he could possibly make on the PS2.

Smash is, truly, a "celebration of games" and should include these. No, i'm not shilling a product wdym

>>1400625 You're right, but daddy Nintendo won't let them ban him. It's pretty funny watching people turn on Smash (EE, who just yesterday walked away from commentating when a Steve set came on) or even retire (Tweek) because of him. It's too bad that the custom balance settings don't work online.

>>1380020 And the dramatic zoom-in whenever a character bites the dust that really confounds the shit out of anyone. >>1397426 I was livid when the Plant deleted all of my saved data, how did they fuck that up? >>1380393 How many faggots overhype this Pooh's Adventures clusterfuck of a game and not playing the fucking thing when it's finally released? So many dipshits always turn a blind eye when someone brings up that Smash shit the bed since the 3ds/Wii U. >Sakurai fucking sucks Also it's worth mentioning he was nagging about: >>Never listen to the westerners and focus on your stuff The same fucking guy who's trying his hardest to appease Melee-tards and tourneyfags in general only for them to not let go their half-assed game for the GCN, let alone his vast variety of games that nobody not even his wife ever heard of them that weren't Kirby (even that franchises improved no thanks to him)

>>1402921 >zoom-in The KO effect would be fine if it only applied to attacks that were guaranteed to kill, regardless of DI. As it is, it's basically just edging you for the inevitable disappointment of the other player winning; the other player who's playing a degenerate character like Steve, Sonic, ROB, Min-Min, or Snake, in most cases. The KO effect gives more false positives than Windows Defender.

>>1378496 A fucking lot. For one smash hasn't really changed mechanically or standardly for its entire lifespan. Examples: each character has four special moves, four normals, five aerials and three smash attacks right? Not to mention to mention four throws and one pummel and stuff like get up, dash and ledge attack. But there is no reason for them to keep it this way. Games like tekken have hundreds of moves and most fighting games have at least four buttons plus motion inputs. Smash tried its hardest to avoid those because it valued simplicity and pick up and play. But what if they made characters so intuitive that it didn't matter if they changed up the attack formula? Like what if mario can jump and he has a ton of different jumps, more than just short hop and full jump, and each one does damage no matter what if you jump on an enemy kind of like footstooling. Sure it'd be kinda weird that characters like marth don't attack people when they use the jump button but thats not how they play in their games it'd just be something unique to platformers like mario and donkey kong. Or what if mario could find power ups on the stage much like how steve has different minerals for each stage? Obviously they'd have to be balanced so that they opponent would try to stop mario from getting them and he would have to be underpowered without them to compensate. Or in kirby games kirby can damage weak enemies by bumping into them which is something most platformers don't do. They could just add this ability to smash. Or a character like samus. Instead of being a standard fighting game character with a projectile what if she actually played like she did in her games? She only fights using projectiles (which combo) but still can't be a zoner because she can't retreat and fire and they could just design her to not have dash dancers or be able to change directions quickly in air (or at least not attack right after doing so) because they no longer need every character to "play like a smash character." I think if we've seen one thing from the new characters like megaman, ryu and kazuya is that they can take concepts from the origin games and successfully put them into smash while "breaking the rules" and no one really gets upset about it. Honestly when you think about it every single character on the roster can be a new character because while smash ultimate did make them authentic they weren't quite authentic enough. Everyone was still built off the base of being a standard smash character not making them play like themselves then reinterpreting that into a fighting game.

>>1403309 >Like what if mario can jump and he has a ton of different jumps, more than just short hop and full jump, and each one does damage no matter what if you jump on an enemy kind of like footstooling. This I like. > Or in kirby games kirby can damage weak enemies by bumping into them Except Kirby 64, where you get a horrifically violent sound and Kirby screaming in agony.

>>1398799 Don’t care, don’t give a shit, plus you posted an 8th Marth variant

This is another underrated topic when discussing new content for Smash, the Soundtrack and what series does and doesn’t get new Remixes. In the second pic is a list of songs I’d love to see get remixed or anything so every series can have at least 3 remixes bare minimum. None of that favoritism shit we saw with Megaman and Castlevania both of which aren’t as active as say, Sonic who’s still getting new games, and yes before anyone brings it up I am aware Sakurai let the composers do what they wanted to do but even I think there should’ve been better management of how many remixes a series should get.

>>1397374 You wanna know something even crazier? Cave Story the very first indie game got no drop of representation at all.

>>1400235 Fire Emblem hasn’t even made a big impact on gaming and isn’t massive like Pokémon or a face and Flagship of Nintendo like Mario to warrant a whooping 8 representatives, My point is, I would trade half of the FE roster for characters from smaller franchises. Golden Sun, Rhythm Heaven, Advance Wars, Panel De Pon, etc. I understand that it makes little sense to remove characters even if they’re clone/echoes, but I wish smaller ones got the chance in that Smash spotlight, Look at what Smash did for Kid Icarus and Xenoblade.

>>1400615 It’s bold to expect Megaman.EXE considering Capcom is doing fuck all with Megaman unless you count those shitty funko fusion collabs, even then he was a Mii Costume along with X, Zero and Protoman. I’d expect a Resident Evil rep (that only got PNGs) before a 2nd Megaman rep, also in Megaman’s final smash too btw

>>1400625 I’ll humor the Steve slander with these glorious screencaps, the Grunty ones are comedy gold

>>1400918 >celebration of games I hate how Sakurai had the nerve to say that while revealing another fire emblem character, I’ll tell you this, The Vibe that Byleth's Trailer gave off was the impression that Byleth was entitled to join Smash Bros no matter what, and it was absurd he wasn't already in. And you can tell with the way Sothis yammers on about it while Byleth looks confused being the soulless blank slate he is. Nevertheless I always cringe at the “Join Smash Already” line. I’m not even sure what’s worse, that or Corrin’s “Big Brother is now Big Sister” line.

>>1400918 >Sakurai only cares about JRPGs It’s so sad, how the only Puzzle Representation is Mario in a Doctor Suit and R.O.B we deserved an actual true Puzzle Rep Another genre they could add is the beat'em up genre. So many companies have made beat'em up games like Capcom's Final Fight, SEGA's Streets of Rage, and Rare's Battletoads but I think the best reps would the ones made by Technos Japan, which made series like River City and Double Dragon. River City can be considered the father/grandfather of the beat'em up genre, is a large franchise, very popular one in Japan, and some of its characters are already in Smash Ultimate as spirits. Plus they would work perfectly in Smash Bros gameplay.

Feel free to answer this question in the screencap For me it’s Steve and I don’t care how popular or big Minecraft is, GTA is big as well, do you want that in Smash too? Bayonetta didn’t exactly knock my socks off when she got revealed and I still don’t care about her, she’s only in because Nintendo funded Bayo 2 on the Pee U Greninja before a Gen 5 Rep, yes I wanted Zoroark and always though Zoroark was cooler. I guess you could make the same argument for Lucario before a Gen 3 Rep, then again, Rayquaza was a Boss in SSE.

>>1406444 >Capcom is doing fuck all with Megaman Con Man really did us a favor, getting Legends 3 cancelled; now Capcom can't think of what to do with Mega Man and has been stuck fucking every other series but it. Anyone got the pictures of the humanoid Reaverbots from its artbook or whatever?

>>1402921 I think just because Sakurai was grandfathered into making Smash doesn’t mean others shouldn’t be allowed to not have a chance with the series or just give it back to Hal. Maybe a Hot Take or Tinfoil Theory but it seems like Sakurai doesn't care for Nintendo much, in the sense of what people know Nintendo for. The unconventional stuff like Xenoblade, Fire Emblem and such seem to be his forte, and it shouldn't surprise anyone that he likes a lot of non-Nintendo properties. He's only with Nintendo because of how much leniency he's given due to his relationship with Iwata and his tenure with Smash. If he went to any other company, he knows he's not getting as much leeway.

>>1396211 >Who was the LEAST deserving character that STILL got in? And why? Ignoring all the fanservice with the non-Nintendo fighters, and ignoring the obsession with Fire Emblem and Pokémon, Isabelle felt like such a forced inclusion. She doesn't make any more sense as a Smash fighter than Tom Nook or Redd. >Who was the MOST deserving character that still DID NOT get in? And why? They put Alph in as an alt. to Olimar, but they couldn't put Louie in there as well/instead? He's the most well-known character in the series after Olimar. >>1397374 >should have just been regular Petey Piranha I'm 90% sure Sakurai wanted to do Petey as a reference to Brawl/the series' roots, but they either couldn't come up with a good-enough roster of moves, didn't want another heavyweight, or thought regular Piranha Plant deserved the slot more.

>>1402958 I’m also kinda tired of the pre fight vs screens, the older games were much faster, if if they had the option to turn this off it would’ve been really nice, my other nitpicks are when playing a consecutive amount of vs matches your cursors are always reset and you have to always select your character EVERY SINGLE DAMN TIME, one minor change since Smash 4 is that Star KOs seem more rare and I thought that sucked.

>>1406421 >>1406475 >>1406984 >smash bros discussion thread >look inside >historical revisionism from rosterfags seething about fire emblem every goddamn time

>>1406475 >I’m not even sure what’s worse, that or Corrin’s “Big Brother is now Big Sister” line. none of you faggots play the game and it shows

>>1407049 Smash Bros. is entirely rosterfaggotry at this point, there's nothing else left.

>>1407049 i stopped playing the games when they purposely started introducing mechanics that ruined the competitiveness in the game like fucking trip mechanics. i used to play a fuckton of project M and now, project+. but they shut down the tournaments for those lmao and nintendies literally just let them with ZERO protest. fuck, if that happened in ANY other gaming group, like starcraft or tf2. what if blizzard, valve just shut down a tournament just because they could? their would be a fucking uproar but because nintendo fans act like abused housewives they just take this fucking shit on the cheek. that, and they're literal manchildren. albeit, I do like Mario, I really enjoyed Mario Odyssy on a switch emulator but by fucking god dude you have to realize theres a point when a company literally just fucking hates its fans.

>>1407296 Nobody cared Nintendo shut down a tournament because nobody cares about esports or competitive smash. It's a game where you punch Pikachu in the face with Donkey Kong and the competitive Smash community are a bunch of autists who hate 99% of the one game they claim to like and if they aren't grooming kids, they are trying to drive random people to suicide.

>>1407296 They shut down the tournaments because all the venue owners decided they were tired of putting up with the smell.

>>1407296 >with ZERO protest. every attempt of protesting is instantly shutted down by the usual cultists, like >>1407539 >>1407844 just look how quickly these people came out of the woods to claim "is just a game who cares" and "the fans are at fault for liking the game anyway" and the classic "le smelly"

>>1408846 > "is just a game who cares" and "the fans are at fault for liking the game anyway" and the classic "le smelly" I didn't say any of those things.

>>1408869 you literally did

>>1408882 I think you need to learn to read before you carry on replying.

>>1408946 this nigga... not fooling anybody here. Your first instinct was to claim "nobody cares it's just a silly game", then to spin it on the players and accusing them of only liking 1% of a game. You rather accuse people of not having proper reading skills because you don't want to take responsibility for what you wrote. You rather attack people and use ad hominems because you lack the mental capacity to defend your position. You just used it against me, and previously against smash payers.

>>1408987 >"is just a game who cares" Never said that, I said esports were cancer and nobody cares about them. Which is true. I'm not going to start pretending to like esports just because Nintendo doesn't. >"the fans are at fault for liking the game anyway" Didn't even say anything remotely close to this. In fact I pointed out that competitive smash players don't actually like any of the games. They don't, not even the one they claim to like. So they are neither fans nor do they like the game. I also didn't say it was their fault for liking the game, I said it was their fault for being paedophiles and sociopaths. >"le smelly" I never mentioned anything about how bad everybody knows they smell. I called them paedophiles and sociopaths. >You rather accuse people of not having proper reading skills Because you don't, as I have just proven.

>>1406414 >the very first indie game The only crazy thing is thinking anyone's going to fall for this shit. >>1406973 >Zoroark But what's the point? The entire gimmick of that Pokémon would only work for online play. Granted, it would be fucking interesting to be able to disguise yourself as a random Smash character, only to have it be revealed that you're someone else after the first time you get hit (forcing your opponent into a weak spot while they retool their plans), but… it only works online.

>>1407296 >wants a competitive platform fighter >plays Project M and Project + >hates tournaments being shut down I assume you've tried RoA2, which is basically just PM but without bending the knee to daddy Nintendo. The PM Zelda function is getting added in about a month.

>1st party >4 games, 2 remakes how in the world did this become a never ever

>>1408846 >just look how quickly these people came out of the woods to claim "is just a game who cares" and "the fans are at fault for liking the game anyway" and the classic "le smelly" Nobody said the first two things. But it is funny that LCP has now admitted that also he is smelly. Is your refusal to wear deodorant another form of protest, like your refusal to use capital letters?

>>1409483 >unpopular, niche series >reboot 1+2 was released years after Ultimate finished its DLC cycle Every single DLC character was released for financial reasons with the exception of Banjo-Kazooie, who was purely fanservice. You'll take your assist trophy and you'll fucking like it.

>>1382256 >>1389471 https://archive.ph/3eVAr

>>1400938 >When did they announce that Sakurai was the director for SSB6? They did not announce Samurai at the helm nor did they announce SSB6 as of yet.

>>1409512 >You'll take your assist trophy and you'll fucking like it. they removed it in ultimate

>>1409598 Saki?

>>1407296 SSBU's competitive meta is fairly balanced all things considered and there's room for improvement with the ruleset too.

>>1409619 >SSBU's competitive meta is fairly balanced all things considered Would you care to elaborate on this massive cope?

>>1409483 andy is trash and you should feel bad

Man, this new roster is a massive disappointment. Also, Sullivan needs to be nerfed.

>>1412285 >Crapo >Moran >Boozman

And see this is part of the reason I hate Smash discussion, it always devolves into the same shit. Right or wrong, every voice gets drowned out. Smash speculation just isn't fun anymore and hasn't been fun since we were kids. The games themselves are whatever. Brainless party mashers created by a man who's so full of himself he believes he's the lone person who should get to decide how all these characters that aren't his play in his game, even if those depictions are completely fucking wrong.

It is I, the Lipfag, here to say that I want Lip in Smash. She should've been in since Melee, and I wouldn't mind if her moveset was a little bit made up, possibly with influence from magical girl anime. I don't want to get into the weeds about who's a better pick who's a worse pick, this just a character I've personally wanted for years. She would, at last, be another puzzle character in a game that's now so full of itself and averse to genre diversity that it might as well just be a dedicated JRPG brawler and stop pretending it cares about video games. Lip is all at the same time a historical Nintendo character, a unique character in her own right, and a puzzle game representative, and should've been added in on those merits alone, but apparently you need something more than that to get into Funko Pop Bros. So I fully anticipate that Rick and Morty and fucking Spiderman will get into Smash before Lip ever does, and I've accepted that, because Smash's existence is a curse upon gaming. It is a cruel joke and a honeytrap designed to tease gamers and punish them for actually caring about video games.

>>1412319 >Rickets >Rounds >Hoeven Literally who characters.

>>1412831 you tell em lip bro

>>1409076 >Never said that, I said esports were cancer and nobody cares about them. Which is true. I'm not going to start pretending to like esports just because Nintendo doesn't. you also said "competitive smash". You are implying people shouldn't play a videogame in a serious manner. With that said, you are literally lying for no reason, plenty of people care about esports, for many is their ticket to rich fag land. You don't have to like it, nobody is forcing you to do shit, but you are here pretending nobody should >>1409076 > I pointed out that competitive smash players don't actually like any of the games. no, you are now changing your entire argument. Just shut the hell up nigga >I never mentioned anything about how bad everybody knows they smell. the other guy did, no idea why are thinking i accuse you of it, we have ids here yk >Because you don't, as I have just proven. you have proven to be a compulsive liar and anal about people playing children games more seriously than you. >>1409489 >has nothing else to contribute so tries to offend someone with le capital letters lmao

Fucking FINALLY the bot-created hoax thread gets anchored.

>>1409483 Welcome to Assist Trophy Hell, enjoy your stay. At least Advanced Wars was in 2 Smash games. Poor Barbra was only in Brawl.

>>1420679 I miss Japan Time

>>1418926 >no, you are now changing your entire argument. No I am not retard, learn how to read. >no idea why are thinking i accuse you of it Because you did. >you have proven to be a compulsive liar and anal about people playing No just laughing at you for being a no life faggot who probably isn't allowed within miles of local schools and parks and are too autistic to understand why the majority of people who play Smash couldn't give two shits about what Nintendo thinks of your nambla gatherings so has to come up with conspiracy theories about tendie fanboys.