The whole Genshin VA shitstorm showed everyone how deranged these commie unions can be. Like, if you want to strike and not work, that's entirely on you. But then these faggots call people who DO wanna work "scabs". Shaming them. Shitting on them. Getting pissed at them. Even if they are not union members, they still want others to NOT work whenever they throw their 6 month strike tantrums. Like bro. Lots of us need money to eat and pay bills. How rich and privileged are you to survive 6 months with no income.

>Unionization is a communist tactic to destroy competitive American industry Didn't know we had Pinkertons in this site. Unions are overall better than not having them (see Amazon). The problem is that people who work at the game industry are just retarded when it comes to the politics of such things and haven't done anything noteworthy about things like the rampant outsourcing or the accountability of executives on the state of the industry.

Here's the Marathon thread with the unionization discussion before the purge was made: https://archive.ph/4A5u5 >>1384416 >Didn't know we had Pinkertons in this site Didn't the Pinkertons thwort several different assassination attempts on various American presidents because something like the FBI and the Secret Services didn't exist in the 1800's? >Unions are overall better than not having them (see Amazon) The problem with Amazon is that you're using Amazon. If you stopped using them, they would stop being a problem. >The problem is that people who work at the game industry are just retarded when it comes to the politics of such things and haven't done anything noteworthy about things This may surprise you, but many of the people currently in the industry actually support those efforts because, surprisingly, they're fucking Communists. If it's not about forcing companies to be "moral" through employing third-worlders so that the first-world wealth and labor are distributed equally, they're ramping up the class agitation for the purposes of bringing about their cultural revolution. MEANWHILE the people who actually want to solve shit and make circumstances better for everyone are kicked out (And blacklisted) because they haven't awakened to a Critical Concsiousness.

Unions are absolutely necessary because they allow for collective bargaining. An individual can't coerce a multibillion company to grant him better working conditions, but if the company's entire workforce threatens to strike, they can get something done. The problem is that Americans are so gay and so unused to labour unions, that the people who care enough to end up organising these things, are the sort of people who care more about gay niggers than better working conditions. The Free Market only solves problems in favour of the billionaires.

wow it's almost like corpos are trying to have their own people infiltrate grassroots movements so they can seize control. would you look at that. >>1384281 >But then these faggots call people who DO wanna work "scabs" it's a matter of the individual clashing with the actions of the collective. everyone needs to eat, but everyone must participate for a strike to work. the concept at play here is that a chain is only as strong as its weakest link (i.e. the starving union members who fold the quickest) anyway, unions get their power from the ability to deny labor (these conditions are unacceptable. fix things or we'll refuse to work) and collective bargaining. people working lessens the impact of a strike and lets employers work around the union so they can have continue to have their cake and eat it and nothing improves. >How rich and privileged are you to survive 6 months with no income. the thing is you're between a rock and a hard place <work, shitty conditions/long hours stay the same, your standard of life and/or health steadily declines <go on strike. you'll probably starve/miss rent/etc., but if you're lucky you'll get a better deal of course chances of getting a good deal are slim it's the same problem as voting with your wallet <buy crap and more crap gets made, or <keep your money and then you get no more new vidya you never get the choice of good games >are just retarded when it comes to the politics of such things and haven't done anything noteworthy about things like the rampant outsourcing or the accountability of executives on the state of the industry. because the honest and good-natured who want to actually bring about change either get shoved out of the way or even worse, kafkatrapped (see metooism) furthermore, the nepotistic cunts with connections are the ones who win out in the end because they're better funded and better organized. they and their fellow cronies will always vote for each other and watch each other's backs to stop anyone from scrutinizing their misdeeds. basically, bad people drive out the good

>>1384151 >>1384591 Free markets and unions aren't mutually exclusive. Even ancaps support unions as long as they aren't run by the state.

>>1384591 >company's entire workforce threatens to strike, they can get Replaced. It’s a multibillion dollar company, idiot. 40,000 Indians would shit in toilets and convert to Judaism for the opportunity.

>>1384629 which is why outsourcing and especially offshoring have no place in any industry. corpos leverage starving third worlders' desperation to pad out the bottom line. in the end both workers and consumers end up worse off

>>1384637 >outsourcing and especially offshoring Are free market principles that authoritarian laws try to stifle.

>>1384641 offshoring wouldn't wouldn't exist if the 3rd world was nuked from orbit. but you see the corpos need their cheap raw materials and sweatshop labor because number must go up.

>>1384690 >we can fix this with genocide Looks like we made it ten posts.

>>1384730 It's the eggsraeli way.

>>1384611 >everyone must participate for a strike to work. They actually don't. People should be free to make their own choices. The collective shouldn't decide shit for the individual. If some cummunists want to strike and not work, that's fine. They should step aside for the people who actually do want to work. If you are unaware about the Genshin VA union drama, the developer miHoYo didn't want to enter a forced contract with a VA union. miHoYo did however still pay them the standardized union wages that they were asking for. Financial compensation wasn't an issue. But that wasn't enough for these control freaks. They still wanted to officially "unionize" a dev that paid them fairly for fair work. This whole shitshow lasted for more than 6 months and gamers are turning against these entitled VAs. And these faggots are lashing out at everyone. Gamers who disagree with them, VAs who still want to work, and miHoYo for not bending the knee. It's a dumpster fire.

>>1384151 >Schreier >Weinstein

>>1384611 >but everyone must participate for a strike to work. the concept at play here is that a chain is only as strong as its weakest link But the VA union is far from everyone. In fact, a lot of union members do meh performances that any improv actor could match easily. >these conditions are unacceptable The "conditions" are quite literally a power grab for the HAG-AFRO members to strong arm any competitors into either joining and submitting to their own rules or be booted out of the industry and stop being competition. >it's the same problem as voting with your wallet lol, lmao >either get shoved out of the way or even worse, kafkatrapped (see metooism) I can't remember a single union member speaking out against the baseless accusations that made #KickVic. >furthermore, the nepotistic cunts with connections are the ones who win out in the end because they're better funded and better organized. they and their fellow cronies will always vote for each other and watch each other's backs to stop anyone from scrutinizing their misdeeds. basically, bad people drive out the good And that's exactly what happened with VA unions.

>oy vey, goy, unions are bad and communist and will make your games more expensive! >also accept the fucking TOS saying you will have no rights and you will be happy >also don't you dare complaing about the heckin' nonbinary Black protagonist >also stop complaining about mandatory raytracing, it makes development cheaper >also stop asking why games are now $70, $80 games are a steal you ungrateful pleb, all things considered $100 is a small amount of money for the privilege of playing early, what do you mean you won't pay $150 for the deluxe edition with season pass? Amerigolems are truly something else

>>1385423 None of that will go away with unions. In fact it will become even worse.

>>1385495 >NNNOOOOO GOY STOP IT NOOOW >YOU'RE ONLY MAKING THINGS WORSE FOR YOURSELF Currently, I am not buying AAA games: care to explain how unions could possibly worsen the situation?

>>1385625 I thought you were baiting, not retarded. Here's your own words: >unions are bad and communist and will make your games more expensive! >stop asking why games are now $70, $80 games are a steal you ungrateful pleb

>>1384532 >Didn't the Pinkertons thwort several different assassination attempts on various American presidents You say it like it's supposed to be a good thing

>>1384151 I don't think people would push for unions if everyone who actually worked on the game got royalties instead of being a wageslave who lines other peoples pockets. I will never buy games from AAA developers ever again and probably won't for AA either

>>1385911 AAA games like Asscreed Shadows had 2 hours of end credits. If all those Ubifags received royalties, it would be tiny fractions of a penny.

>>1386038 Which would accumulate over time. And if it becomes a huge success, they could make a lot of money off it. Big wigs don't make the video games, it's the wageslaves who do

>>1385911 The thing is that the majority of employees would rather have a steady stream of income, than to depend on how many units of X product were shipped in that month, meaning that they could get nothing in some slow months.

>>1386196 Why not both?

>>1386070 Would they all get equal cuts too? Because I don't think a DEI consultant should be paid as much royalties as a programmer.

>>1386265 That would mean getting low salaries, with the hope that it gets compensated with good sales. Kinda like what waiters have to put up with. It can work, but again people would rather go for the stable and safe option, than risk it on potential sales. The type of people who go for potential sales are mostly entrepreneurs. If I remember correctly, when George Lucas made the first Star Wars movie, he offered his employees the option to get paid on royalties, instead of getting a salary, and the vast majority refused, because "lol cheap sci fi schlock that will bomb at the theaters? No thanks." One of the few who accepted, if not the only one was Alec Guinness and he got 2% on all Star Wars royalties. On the other hand I did go through Moby Dick recently, and there all the sailors got paid in royalties, so it's not like it's impossible.

>>1386284 You're assuming DEI wouldn't be gutted in this scenario

>>1386294 And how is that a bad thing? Either make a good game or GTFO

>>1385634 >bro trust me bro the arbitrary price hikes will get even worse if you don't do as I say bro I didn't buy at $60, I didn't buy the dlc + season pass + battle pass + skins + advanced access, I am not buying at $70, and I will not buy at $80. As far as I can see, the absolute worst case scenario for vidya unions is for them to end up like burgerland VA unions, AKA a self-imposed containment zone for unskilled and unsufferable cunts that will stop any worthwile project from hiring them even by accident. >>1385911 Royalties are neat in theory, but Hollywood accounting exists. Shares as part of the compensation package are neater if the company is public already, but there are practical downsides.

>>1386299 I'd rather get a fucking pay bonus if the game does well. But AAA games are way past that between government and investment money, all they give a shit about is pushing a product and an ideology while laying down on the safety net of an awful financial system that's on the verge of collapsing.

>>1386337 So you're ok with getting ripped off on something you helped create?

>>1386344 No, but if you work for any of these companies you should expect to get ripped off. You're a fucking peon to stock market brokers and executives with ties to every industry trying to make one more penny. Reality is, they weren't needed in the 90s with the shareware model and they're not needed now with digital distribution.

>>1386354 Those companies should be out of business but retarded niggercattle keep them going

The royalties thing isn't a bad idea if it's for a small indie team of like 3 or 10 people. But once you're in a AAA team of 100s (maybe 1000s), your miniscule cut feels like a ripoff.

>>1386376 Not even niggercattle anymore, literal gibs by the fucking government and their own buddies in investment firms.

>>1386393 That too

>>1386393 yeah... taxpayer money being used to fund absolute garbage like Dustborn

>>1386432 The faggot who made it is so desperate now he's remastering Syberia.

>>1386389 If you went into enough AAA games those royalties would probably set you for life

>>1384151 Anon, you quickly forget that unions ARE the compromise. A step before employees reach the "Loot the place and burn it to the ground" stage.

>>1386038 AC series has sold hundreds of millions of copies. If I got "fractions of a penny", let's say a tenth of a penny from every sale, I would have a few hundred thousand dollars in the bank.

>>1384629 Ok, then your company crumbles to shit because you hired a legion low IQ shitters

>>1385911 All creative industries should be based on royalty payments instead of wages. It doesn't make financial sense to actually care about the end product if your pay isn't tied to its success

>>1386751 >Pay me more money or else bad things will happen Literal definition of extortion. Unions are extortionists

>>1386459 Are the ///faggots\\\ behind Dustborn really remastering Syberia now?

>>1388453 Yes. That's the whole fucking point.

>>1391245 The studio actually had a reputation for decent adventure games. Their audience generally liked Dustborn, but the game was a commercial flop with no crossover appeal.

>>1384151 >(((Unions)))

>>1388453 >the_Donal newfag thinks the whole social contract is anything but extortion Lol >>1392609 Before Dustborn, Red Thread Games published only Dreamfall Chapters and Draugen, mediocre games that still got literally hundreds of times more players than Dustborn. Yes, the studio founder worked on more noteworthy projects before, but we all know how little that means, as far as I can tell Red Thread Games only subsists off public funding and doesn't have an actual paying audience backing it up.