>>1514411 Play Web of Shadows

Injustice 2 is censored. https://censorship.fandom.com/wiki/Injustice_2 >MK11 They covered up & toned down the female fighters and made them look less risque compared to MK9 & to a lesser extent, MKX. See pics related for the recommended capeshit vidya

>>1514438 >its censored Well that sucks. Guess ill just emulate ultimate alliance. >>1514412 I didn't know that game had a PC port until now.

Are the Rami Spider-Man games good? If so, which ones and on what platforms?

>>1514799 People wont stop talking about how great spider-man 2 is. Usually the ps2 version.

>>1514806 Wasn't the Ultimate Spider Man game supposed to be good? There's also those old beat em ups from the days of the arcade.

>>1514842 Never really heard much about the ultimate game. I saw the cover all the time as a kid but I dont think I ever heard anyone talking about the game. >Old beat em ups. People used to praise the x-men arcade game to high heavens. I should actually try that one day.

>>1514853 It's old and Spidey had many hits since then, so it isn't surprising that it would be very rarely talked about.

>>1514799 The first 2 games are. IIRC, the PC version of 2 is not only different from the consoles but also shit. If you're asking about the better platforms to play them on, the XBox or Gamecube.

Freedom Force is a pair of fun strategy games. Absolutely worth a play. Apparently Marvel got pissy when they saw people mod in Spider-Man and such.

>>1514438 Have you or anyone in the thread played Ultimate Alliance 3? I grew up loving the first two but would it be something good for my nieces / nephew to play? They love super heroes.

>>1514806 >>1514842 The Spider-Man games based on the first three movies are all great, and they're actually part of a larger series by the same devs. Some of the games aren't the same continuity, but the gameplay evolves through them. >Spider-Man (2000) Not based on a movie, but really where the series begins. The first few games by these devs got overshadowed when the series went open world, but the early ones are still great. The Dreamcast version has markedly better graphics. >Spider-Man 2: Enter Electro Pretty straight sequel to the previous one. Even more overshadowed but still good. >Spider-Man (2002) Based on the first movie, but it's the same devs as the last two games and clearly follows the evolution of the gameplay formula. You can unlock a playable Green Goblin with his own moveset with the glider and bombs and everything. It's really cool. The Xbox version has a few extra levels where you fight Kraven. >Spider-Man 2 (2004) It was open world so everyone forgot about the earlier ones. The missions aren't as fun, in my opinion, but swinging around the open world is as fun as everyone says. The swinging mechanics in this one have never been topped, as there's a really fun acrobatic system that was never quite replicated just right. Also, it's supposed to be based on the movie but Doc Ock is such a small part of the game, it basically feels like it's really about Mysterio. Which is fine with me. >Ultimate Spider-Man It's set in the continuity of the comics (but not the main comics, the Ultimate Universe comics), but really gameplay-wise it's the sequel to the previous games listed. You can play as Venom, and it has cool cartoony graphics. >Spider-Man 3 (2007) People hated on this when it came out and I don't get why. It's the same devs doing the same type of game. I could understand people saying they don't like it quite as much, but it's so similar that I can't understand liking one and disliking the other. Anyway it's next gen so the graphics are better and the city is bigger. You can play as the Green Goblin again, but the one from Spider-Man 3 this time, so his costume looks even dumber than in the first movie. He controls different and it's neat. But I think it was DLC instead of an unlockable, because it was 2007. Also the swinging wasn't quite as great as Spider-Man 2, but it's still good, and the bigger city with better graphics is fun. And if you don't like the movie, it doesn't matter, because really most of the game is about The Lizard and Rhino and Scorpion, like how 2 felt like it was more about Mysterio than Doc Ock. After this they started changing the devs and gameplay. People say Web of Shadows was good but I didn't care. Then with Amazing Spider-Man 2 they made a big deal about it being open world, as if that wasn't already done. And if you're a homosexual SJW niggerfaggot, then you'll love the latest Spider-Man games from Insomniac, where Peter is a soyboy that makes Toby MacGuire look like Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Mary Jane is a manfaced reporter instead of a literal supermodel, and Mile Morales is propped up as being a better Spidey than Peter, in case you ever wanted to play as The Amazing Spider-Monkey. Oh, and don't fall for playing the PC or last-gen versions of any of the good games. Stick to whatever the most powerful console was at the time. Any of the non-mainstream console versions are totally different games. Then again, you liked Injustice, so maybe your tastes are totally different than mine. I beat it, but it has such stiff controls. Maybe I just suck at fighting games, but some of the other Mortal Kombats don't feel like this. Most other fighting games don't feel like this. Plus, Injustice was just the start of the SJW subversion of Mortal Kombat. Superman being evil was just a precursor to Jax taking over the world because he's tired of waiting for everyone to get woke.

>>1515145 I know its one of very few modern games with unlockable costumes(pic related). That alone almost made me want to buy it. Besides that almost everything I have seen on this game has been positive. I haven't seen many people talking about it granted but they are all positive. >>1515075 >marvel got pissy Think that happened with both city of heroes and champions online. Marvel getting asssmad over people making the hulk in heroes. >>1514937 Hulk ultimate is such an awesome game man. I am genuinely confused why they didn't make another one. I know prototype was a sort of "spiritual successor" but that series is also dead now.

>>1515177 >Then again, you liked Injustice, so maybe your tastes are totally different than mine. I beat it, but it has such stiff controls. I didn't think it was very stiff. Then again I am not very good at fighting games in general. I do fail at doing a lot of my moves but that is a common problem I have with a lot of fighting games, I keep going upleft when I want to just go left. As for injustice corrupting MK, I think that is just warner bros getting gradually more and more power. There is that one infamous picture of boon with his joy sucked out. While I have grown to dislike devs constantly blaming the publishers for everything, warner bros sure seems like a piece of shit company. I didn't even play MKx or 11. I played 9 and absolutely loved it and then just avoided the next few sequels when everyone else seemed to dislike it.

>>1515211 It's not that Injustice corrupted MK. I just consider it to basically be an MK game, and it's right around the time they started getting infected with soy. >Warner Bros. Yeah they're terrible, but they released a couple of relatively unpozzed Batman games after Injustice. I did like MK9. But MKX literally has Jax take over the world because "I'm tired of waiting for everyone to get woke." So I will never trust any game released by that team after that.

>>1515177 >People hated on this when it came out and I don't get why Knowing nothing about SM3 as a game, my first guess is people hating on Raimi SM3 when it came out and that game being affected as a byproduct. I liked the concept of the film (3 independent villains at once instead of one hogging the screen for 90 minutes) as a dumb kid, but that style of film can't support that concept super well and it was objectively a mess overall. My second guess would be negative comparisons to the previous Raimi games. >Maybe I just suck at fighting games Nah, you're right Injustice 1 has some weirdness that you need to get used to, but I also don't think stiff controls was really the problem. >Jax taking over the world because he's tired of waiting for everyone to get woke. I'm sorry what? >>1515211 >when everyone else seemed to dislike it Where? Most mainstream places liked 10 and 11, even if just on launch and then fizzled out. 12 (I'm not calling it 1 fuck off Netherrealm) is the first one where there's really notable early backlash.

This looks good. Same people that made that TMNT beat em up and I had lots of fun playing with my nephews.

>>1514594 It's not well made port, but it's a fun game regardless.

>>1515179 >champions online Marvel has nobody to blame but themselves for that one. >>1515211 >As for injustice corrupting MK, I think that is just warner bros getting gradually more and more power The way Warner worked before Zaslav felt more hands off but made sure everyone under certain divisions fight for superiority (why DC Nation got canned). >>1515388 That still looks fucking terrible

>>1514438 Does the Punisher even count as a superhero? He's just a dude with guns, doesn't even wear spandex (anymore).

>>1515783 Street Level super hero with the awesome power of killing millions and barely ever dying.

>>1515358 >I'm sorry what? Anon is talking about the Jax tower ending in MK11 where he says >All I wanted was to fix my life. Now I have the power to fix history. Raiden warns me, I can't fix everything. Change to much and I could lose Vera. Lose Jacqui. But this power's bigger than us. If I think only about helping myself, what kind of officer am I? What kind of man? I've been lucky. My family and I have lived the American Dream. But most people who look like me haven't had that chance. I owe it to them to put things right. And I'm not waiting centuries for people to get woke, when I've got the power to speed things up. I don't get it right the first time. Or the second. Or even the third. But eventually, I knock it out of the damn park. My family's back. The world's a better place for everyone. Turns out you CAN have everything. Anyone who says you can't, needs to dream bigger. >>1515211 >There is that one infamous picture of boon with his joy sucked out. I gotchu anon

>>1515851 >Tower ending Then it doesn't really count as canon, thank god. That as a main story ending would've been a thousand times more retarded.

>>1515851 To be fair, what else would a black guy with the power to change history say and do? A Japanese, German, or even an English man would use very similar wording except without woke. And I'm pretty sure blacks were using woke in relation to fighting "the man" for a while before everyone else started using it how it's used today

>>1516051 It would fit if his characterization for most of the series before this wasn't as a patriotic American soldier without an inkling he ever wanted to build We Wuz Wakangda.

>>1514853 >x-men arcade game played thru it free play couldn't imagine playing it legit. The fact that Mutant Powers are super moves that drain life before your power stocks (that you only get for completing stages) is fucking evil design thoigh

>>1515783 >doesn't even wear spandex (anymore) Garth's way of coping with his gay homolust for the superhero known as Punisher.

>>1516629 Garth Ennis is genuinely autistic, he hates Captain America for "Trivializing the actual soldiers who fought in WW2" like he doesn't know what moral boosting and propaganda are. Either that or he hates the yanks and is trying to be somewhat tactful about it, but knowing limeys they never dodge a chance to shit on Americans.

>>1516671 He's just bullshitting to save face. Typical leftwing behavior.

>>1516495 Filthy muties got what they deserved. >>1516671 You sure he isn't an idiot savant?

>>1516264 I remember the early 2000s and late 90s had a lot of those super patriotic military niggers(sergeant johnson is another one). You dont see them anymore, or if you do its always with a feminist bent. >>1517613 >idiot savant I dont know man, Knowing he is the guy who made crossed makes me doubt he is a savant. >>1516495 >Special moves taking health Isn't that common for arcade games though?

>>1517627 >Knowing he is the guy who made crossed makes me doubt he is a savant I thought he was the guy who made Sandman but I looked him up and he made "The Boys", so I'm thinking you're right.

Power Pack in a Marvel game when?

>>1517627 >Isn't that common for arcade games though? Pretty sure it is. The Sailor Moon arcade game is another instance where performing a special move takes away a part of your health. You can also use crystal attacks to clear out every enemy on the screen & it doesn't take health away, but you need to have crystals to use them and the game doesn't throw them out like candy

>>1517679 Never beyond a meaningless phone game; they made Julie and Karolina break up. Imagine how little a company bursting with tumblr fanfic writers care about something if they don't wanna use it for gay shit.

>>1514799 Spiderman 2 is the one everyone fellates, with the infamous pizza theme. Play it on Xbox if you can. Otherwise, Gamecube is also good but idk if the disc size limitations compromised audio quality compared to PS2

>>1517833 >>1514799 If you want good spider man games of that era, Ultimate Spider-Man is pretty nice, just know it takes place in the ultimate universe so some details will be shifted around.

>>1515885 It doesn't matter if it's "canon," it's that it's in the game. That's like saying an episode of Dragon Ball Z where Vegeta gets buttraped by Piccolo would be okay because it's just filler and not canon. Or to use a comic example, this is like when everyone was okay with Miles Morales at first, because it was only the Ultimate Universe, it wasn't really canon. Look where we are now. I suppose we shouldn't criticize garbage like I Am Not Starfire, because don't worry, it's not canon (for now). I'm gonna be autistic and list things that originally weren't canon and became canon. Some are actually okay, some suck. I'll focus mostly on good ones because I just stopped reading once they became really bad. >Jimmy Olsen The closest thing Superman has to a sidekick was originally from the radio show. They try to now say that an unnamed kid who didn't really look much like him in an early issue was Jimmy, but that's bullshit. Anyway Jimmy Olsen went on to have his own comic series that had well over 100 issues, and was the original nemesis of Darkseid, the big bad of the whole DCU. Also after Superman actor George Reeves was killed, they tried to do a spinoff tv series about Jimmy Olsen, but it never got off the ground, if you'll pardon my pun. >Kryptonite This was only invented because the actor who played Superman on the radio show wanted to take a vacation, so they needed a storyline where Superman gets sick. >Superman's Kryptonian name (and the names of his parents) Kal-L, Jor-L, and Lara were all named in the Superman newspaper comic strip (separate continuity from the comic books) and a novel based on it (but which itself wouldn't have been canon to the comic strip, and definitely not the comic books). >The Batcave Originally from the early '40s film serial. >Alfred coming back to life In the '60s they killed off Alfred. But then they did the Batman TV show, and Alfred was a main character. So the comics said that actually Alfred wasn't killed when he got hit by that boulder, he just got his brain broken and he became a supervillain called The Outsider, who used his knowledge of Batman and Robin to be the most dangerous threat out there. Then Batman and Robin rescue him and fix his brain and vow never to speak of it again. Later, when Robin grows up to be Batman and a demon is pretending to be Bruce, Dick asks him to say something only the two of them would know. The demon mentions that Alfred was The Outsider. It is true, only Dick and Bruce would know that. But Dick knows that the thing he's talking to can't be Bruce, because they vowed never to speak of it again. >Catwoman being black Originally from the '60s tv series, where three different actresses played Catwoman and one of them was black and they just never acknowledged that she looked different each time. (Other characters like Riddler and Mr. Freeze also had different actors in different episodes, and they did play them pretty differently, but none were a whole different race.) By the '80s Catwoman was drawn as pretty ethnically ambiguous, though when push came to shove, was still white. But now she's black in the latest live action TV series and the latest live action movie. Mark my words, she's gonna be black in the comics any day now. >the crystalline appearance of Krypton/The Fortress of Solitude. Originally from the 1978 Superman movie. It was cool so it got put in the comics eventually. >Superman's dad dying of a heart attack but his mom surviving into the present Again from the 1978 movie. Canon at least for a few years in late 2000s comics. Also Superman's dad had a heart attack in the Death of Superman arc, and went to heaven, but they brought him back at the hospital or something. Clearly a reference to the movie. >Batgirl getting crippled The author insists he never intended her to be crippled and was told the story wouldn't even be canon. But it was very popular, so they acknowledged the shooting, said she was crippled now, and that stuck for almost 25 years. Then she was uncrippled for no reason, but the fact that she was crippled in the past is still canon. >Robin II (Jason Todd) dying This was established history in the alternate-future story The Dark Knight Returns. That story became perhaps the most popular Batman comic ever, so a few years later they did a story where Jason died in the present. >Batman using a grappling hook Originally from the 1989 movie. Hard to believe, but Batman never used a grappling hook before this. >Damian Wayne The originally non-canon book "Son of the Demon" involved Talia finally getting that Batman seed she wanted so badly. about 15 years later they decided it would be cool if actually this was canon, so they just said it was canon now, and now we have Damian. >Harley Quinn Originally from Batman: The Animated Series. >Mr. Freeze's tragic backstory Originally from Batman: The Animated Series. >Dead Robin coming back to life and becoming an alter ego of The Joker (Red Hood) People don't acknowledge this, but hear me out. DC Animated Universe Tim Drake is really Jason Todd in all but name. He's the second Robin and he's from the streets and has a temper. They just called him Tim because Tim was the current Robin in the comics at the time. In the direct to video movie, Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker, we find out that the reason Tim stopped being Robin was because he was kidnapped and tortured by Joker, in a bit that's clearly inspired by Death In The Family, where Jason died. Except here Robin lived, but retired, but way in the future it turns out he was brainwashed and genetically altered into becoming a clone of The Joker. A few years after this, DC did a story where the Robin who was tortured by The Joker (but died) came back to life and took on the identity of Red Hood, which is Joker's former identity before he became The Joker. This storyline was clearly inspired by Return of the Joker and nobody acknowledges it. >Spider-Man's organic webbing In the mid-2000s they tried to make the comics match with the movies. Spidey died but his corpse birthed a new body for him or something. It was all mystical and stuff. Anyway this body was the same as the old one except it had organic webbing. They got rid of it shortly after, around the time he sold his marriage to the devil. I'm not 100% sure, but I think the organic web shooters were erased here too, as if they were dependent on him being married. Note that other things that were somewhat related to his marriage, like his baby daughter, May, also got erased. May was kidnapped by the Green Goblin almost a decade earlier and Peter just kinda never got around to rescuing her, though in the future stories of the MC2 universe (meaning they weren't "canon" but could be), she was Spider-Girl. When Peter sold his marriage, she was specifically brought up, after years of being forgotten, just to say she was getting erased. But at least it got rid of the organic web shooters. >Superman having a son in the mid-2000s When Superman Returns came out they tried to tie into it by having Superman and Lois adopt a Kryptonian kid, so for kids picking up the comics, they'd see Superman has a kid with his powers now. But Superman Returns wasn't that popular so a while later they revealed the kid was actually General Zod's biological son, Lor-Zod, and he sacrificed himself to send Zod and his army of Kryptonians (most of whom were former good guys from the Bottled City of Kandor) to the Phantom Zone. Later, Flash changed history and now Lor-Zod loves his dad and is a villain. I guess maybe that didn't have to do with history changing, maybe he just got convinced. >Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury Originally in the Ultimate Comics, because writer Mark Millar likes making characters look like celebrities. And people liked it in that universe, and Jackson gave permission to use his likeness and wanted to play the character on screen, so he did. And people liked it because it was an alt universe anyway. Then Marvel used this as an excuse to get rid of the original Nick Fury from the main universe and replace him with his black son. So yes, we did lose the original Nick Fury.

>Batman Beyond This show was cool so they keep trying to make it canon even though it doesn't at all mesh with mainstream DCU continuity. But there's been some version of him running around (usually in the canon future, but sometimes he visits the past), and since he's in the future it's easier for them to justify changing his continuity more often, by saying they changed the past, to try to fit him into continuity better. But it never fits. They'd need to say Batman scares away all of his friends in the near future, which doesn't work as well as it did in The Dark Knight Returns in the '80s (which is where Batman Beyond got it from) because now Batman doesn't just have one Robin and one Batgirl (and one dead Robin), he has four Robins and three Batgirls. And why wouldn't any of them become the new Batman? They did one story where Terry was trained by Damian, but that was stupid. Probably not canon to the current future history anyway. >Batman's brother is an owl themed villain So in the '60s they introduced the backwards universe of Earth-Three, where good is bad and bad is good. Actually the real difference is that evil always wins. Anyway there instead of Batman they had Owlman, who was on the Crime Syndicate of America, instead of The Justice League of America. In the '70s they did a story where it turned out Batman had an older brother he didn't know about, Thomas Wayne, Jr., who was in a mental hospital since Bruce was a baby, but he broke out and became "The Boomerang Killer." In the '80s Earth-Three was destroyed. In the '90s DC decided the Crime Syndicate was too cool so they rebooted them but now they were from the Antimatter Universe of Qward. Here, Owlman's real name was stated to be Thomas Wayne, Jr. His parents and baby brother Bruce died when he was a baby. After Flash changed history in 2011, main universe Thomas Wayne Jr was no longer The Boomerang Killer, but was now a member of The Court of Owls, named Talon. Also, The Crime Syndicate got rebooted again, and the new version of Owlman, from Earth 3 (not Earth-Three) had as his henchman Alfred, The Outsider. >The original Green Lantern is gay now So the original superheroes from the '30s and '40s are from a universe called Earth-Two, but they moved to the main universe in 1986. In 2005 a villain from Earth-Three tried to recreate the old multiverse but instead just made copies and the Earth-Two characters visited the new Earth-2 (the way it's spelled is important to differentiate them) only to find that it was uncannily similar but not actually the same place. Then when Flash changed history in 2011 Earth-2's history got changed pretty significantly, and it was still about the same "characters," like Alan Scott, the name of the original Green Lantern, but their histories were very different and now they got their powers in the present and not in the '30s and '40s. Anyway this new Alan Scott loved to fuck man butts. And fans put up with it because technically it wasn't the original Alan Scott, it was his counterpart on Earth 2 (the hyphen disappears to differentiate it's after Flash changed history). Of course the original Alan Scott and the rest of the characters originally from Earth-Two were MIA and not mentioned. Later Earth 2 was destroyed, and shortly after they revealed that the original Earth-Two characters were still alive in the main universe but were forgotten due to like three different things fucking with the timeline all at the same time. So they were remembered and came back. They're all 100 years old at this point, by the way, because them fighting in World War II is essential to their history. So anyway 100 year old Alan Scott is canonically the first superhero of the modern age (because they want Superman and Batman to keep being young, so they're always from "the present," leaving Green Lantern to be the first guy whose origin is when he was first published). So he is finally remembered, and he remembers who he is, and the first thing he does is gather his two adult children and tell them that actually he never really loved their mom, because actually he just wanted to put his penis in men's butts the whole time. Also one of Scott's children, Obsidian, was already gay. Makes you wonder what Alan did to him. >Raven got turned back into a loli Raven and her generation of Teen Titans were adults for decades by 2011, but the Teen Titans cartoon was too popular, so when Flash changed history one of the things that changed was that Raven was much younger now, so she could at least be the same age as the cartoon (even though her costume and appearance was still very different). It was very weird because history changed but the past mostly still happened, so she was still on the previous team with original Robin Dick Grayson, but now she was on a team with Robin III, Tim Drake, and later with Robin IV, Damian Wayne, who she had a relationship with. But back in the day there was one time when Raven "accidentally" used her powers to mind-and-dick rape Dick Grayson, who is old enough to be Damian's dad (and takes on a very fatherly role, training him when he first became Robin, because Bruce was "dead" at the time and Dick became Batman, until it turned out Batman only got shot back in time by Darkseid's eye lasers and didn't die). Also, Dick is of course still an adult, formerly Batman, Starfire is still an adult, and Cyborg even became a founding member of the Justice League, somehow. Beast Boy was a kid too though. Also the original Aqualad and Wonder Girl were still adults, but Wally West went from being adult Flash to being a young black boy who gets his powers in the present. But later they revealed that Wally was just the original Wally's cousin and the original Wally still existed but was trapped in the Speedforce because of The Flashpoint and villain Abra Kadabra erased everyone's memories of him and the original Teen Titans (not them as people, only that they were a group). But everyone still remembered The New Teen Titans, which is the group Raven was on (and Wally and the other originals were also on it). This made Teen Titans lore very confusing. And they didn't even get it right because they didn't bother to make Starfire a loli too. >Hawkgirl is black now Like with Alan Scott, in 2011 they just stopped mentioning main universe Hawkgirl, Kendra Saunders, (actually it looked like she died in the story right before history changed), but there was a new Hawkgirl, Kendra Saunders, on the new Earth 2. She was black. Earth 2 got fucked, but then shortly after they revealed the main universe Kendra Saunders, who was also black now. Seemingly the same character as before, but history being changed also changed her race, I guess. Actually it did the same to the Earth 2 version, so I suppose there is precedent. >Lex Luthor's dad Classic history is that Luthor's dad, Jules Luthor, was a drunken failure. The TV show, Smallville, was a prequel about Superman's high school years, and of course Lex is his buddy (which matches Pre-Crisis continuity), and his dad is also a main character. But here Lionel Luthor fills the role Lex fills in the comics, the brilliant businessman villain, only he has long hair, like to mock Lex. He also has Lex's backstory of starting his empire by killing his own parents for the insurance money. Lionel and his relationship with Lex are the best parts of the show, so they kept trying to fit him into the comics. First it was just by having him as a zombie in Blackest Night, when the Black Lanterns brought back every character who ever died (including the ones who had since come back to life) as an evil zombie. He looked like the show, but Lex still had the same backstory as before. Later, during Flashpoint, Lionel Luthor, pretty much like the show, appeared, but this was a deliberately different continuity because Flash broke the timeline. He later changes it back to be more like it's supposed to be (but not quite, explaining differences they wanted to make). But a couple of years ago they finally made Lionel canon in the main comics by saying that actually he wasn't a drunken failure, he was cool like in the show, but he messed with Vandal Savage, who erased his mind and everyone's memories of him, so now he was a drunk and everyone remembered him always being a drunk. Probably would have been easier to just say it was because history changed and now he wasn't a drunk anymore, but whatever. This keeps more of the past as canon. >>1516051 >implying Germans and English have any sense of nationalism, patriotism, or even self-preservation left.

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>>1517732 >we live in the hell where a Power Pack game will never happen but if it did it would be unmitigated shit It's not fair.

>>1518482 > Anyway Jimmy Olsen went on to have his own comic series that had well over 100 issues, and was the original nemesis of Darkseid That is hilarious. Jimmy olsen? That little dude who follows superman around? He was supposed to fight darkseid? How?

>>1519378 Presumably by stealing all the cakes and comfy chairs before Darkseid can have them.

>>1517627 >Isn't that common for arcade games though? Yes, however you get Power Stocks which also let you do supers. In JP X-Men, those get used first before your life is drained, and they drop more regularly from enemies. Contrast that to US X-Men, the one I was bemoaning, which drains life first, and makes it such that you only get stocks for putting in quarters or beating stages. Stocks you can't use unless you're in critical condition.

Call me crazy but I think a Wonder Woman action game filled with fan service could've done decently, even if the gameplay was Bahman-like. The thing is that apparently the game was already rebooted once and they wasted millions in development, and on the other hand I don't think western devs could've implemented fan service properly especially in this day and age. Take Stellar Blade for example, a completely new IP being successful just because gooks are honest about their horniness. If anything more western publishers should start to think about outsourcing their games to them. A Wonder Woman game with that level of coom would be an instant buy from me.

>>1518662 I wonder what hero would be best to be turned into a loli. >>1519883 The only thing about a Wonder Woman game that would interest me is the mythological aspect.

>>1514411 Besides the writing, the problems with Injustice are the same as Mortal Kombat. Netherrealm studios is cheap as fuck. Everything looks ugly, washed out, & all the story beats have to take place in specific fighting stages even if it doesn't make a lotta sense. Like the qte of BLOWING UP THROWN CARS from a road that you have to destroy while playing as the good Superman.

>>1519883 You would need to handicap her significantly for it to work. The core game play of the Arkham games involves planning. >Planning stealth >Planning movement (vertical climbing and horizontal gliding) >Planning solutions to puzzles >Planning combat against overwhelming numbers or foes It would be very difficult to incorporate stealth but you could convivially do all the other points if you weakened her. If she can't fly then she would have to climb and could use her lasso kind of link Batman's grappling hook. You could also give her magic wings that only allow her to glide that have to be unlocked to get that mechanic in as well. Any one can do puzzles, but I do not know if she has a villain like the riddler who would be leaving puzzles for her to solve. I suppose if you had her in some kind of ancient structure there could be ancient puzzles left there but that begs the question of why they are still set up and have not been altered by all the goons that would be in the ruins that she is fighting. This of course leads us to the mooks and enemies. She is pretty OP so either she would need to be made weaker which would make her stronger villains even stronger comparatively, or she would need to be against powered up rank and file bad guys which would create problems for level design. The levels would have to be constructed of a material that the bad guys could not destroy.

>>1519883 Of course it would sell! Certainly would have sold more than that suicide squad game. I don't think they even needed to go that hard on fanservice, just give her a nicely shaped ass and the internet people will go insane. I dont want out-sourcing, we already out-source to much to china and india. But its hard to argue against it when the gooks can do such a better job.

>>1519883 It would do very well, but I don't expect western devs to make a fan service game due to how fucked things are in the American video games industry. The first one to take the risk will make a ton of money though, especially when paired with good gameplay.

>>1520067 My knowledge of Wonder Woman is mostly from the Justice League cartoon, but I do remember that she could block bullets with her arm bracelets, meaning that she isn't bullet-proof like Superman, so a few carefully placed shots could kill her. As for enemies, well she fought against Ares in one of the episodes, so I don't see why she couldn't fight against mythological creatures and you could just as easily make it into a God of War 1-3 clone.

>>1519378 Jimmy's series largely consisted of him getting in over his head while trying to solve mysteries or whatever, and then having Superman bail him out. But also he was the leader of the Superman Fan Club, which sometimes functioned as his own worldwide gang. And he was friends with Robin, so sometimes they would have adventures together. Also, he was world famous for being Superman's pal, so everyone in the world thought he was the coolest dude in the world, presumably except for Superman. But anyway when Jack Kirby was convinced by DC to quit Marvel and switch teams, he wanted to do his massive Fourth World Saga, but DC wanted him to also do a regular series. He wanted one that he could actually have creative control over, so the solution was to give him control over Superman's Pal: Jimmy Olsen. In between regular issues, like one where Jimmy and Superman have to team up with Don Rickles to fight his evil twin, Goody Rickles, and one where they fight a bunch of classic horror movie monsters (vampire, werewolf, etc.), Kirby brought back The Newsboy Legion, which he created back in the '40s. They fit with Jimmy hanging out with gangs of kids. But now it was the '70s, so why are they still kids? They're the clones of the originals, and the original Newsboys are now scientists who run a cloning facility called The DNA Project, which would later become known as The Cadmus Project. The new Newsboys are clones, but there is a villain with his eyes on the whole cloning business, Darkseid. But it turns out that's really just a small bit of Darkseid's overall plans, and then Kirby introduced the series he seemed to actually care about, New Gods, Mister Miracle, and Forever People. Then DC cancelled them all in less than two years, leaving Kirby with just Jimmy Olsen. Also they told him to make a series ripping off Planet of the Apes, which was popular at the time, so he invented Kamandi, The Last Boy On Earth. And a little while after Jimmy Olsen got merged with the Lois Lane series and became Superman Family, which continued from Jimmy Olsen's issue number. So that series went on for a really long time. >>1519883 The obvious thing would have just been to make a Wonder Woman game that was a God of War clone. But they should have done that 15 years ago and I don't even like God of War. But there's some dude fighting Greek Gods with a chain, and Wonder Woman could be fighting Greek Gods with a lasso. It writes itself. But yes, they wouldn't let her be hot in it. Wonder Woman sucks most of the time because even in the comics she is barely allowed to be a real character, she is just a symbol of feminism. The few times they try to add some actual depth to her personality and mythos, feminists get mad, because depth involves imperfections. People say Superman is boring because he's perfect, but that should really be directed at Wonder Woman. Only it's even worse because actually her story is full of hypocritical feminist propaganda that most certainly isn't perfect, but they aren't allowed to acknowledge it. Sometimes people try to point out that the Amazons are obviously evil, or at least very flawed (because yeah, maybe it isn't a good idea to make Wonder Woman's whole supporting cast evil after 80 years), but feminists always throw a fit and make it get erased somehow. >>1520024 >I wonder what hero would be best to be turned into a loli. Iris West II, Wally West's daughter from the future, was a loli superhero running around as the second Impulse (after Bart Allen became Kid Flash), but then when they adapted her to the TV show she was a bitchy 20 year old or something, and now she's older in the comics too. The original Wonder Girl was a loli, as she was just Wonder Woman when she was a kid. There was also Wonder Tot, who was just Diana further back in time, btw. And then the creator of the Teen Titans didn't realize Wonder Girl was Wonder Woman in the past, so he accidentally made her a different character, and they had to explain she was Wonder Woman's adopted sister, Donna Troy. She was originally a loli, but has long since grown up and has an incredibly confusing history. There's also a third Wonder Girl, Cassie Sandsmark, but she's a teen. Oh yeah, the most popular Spider-Girl, May Parker, was a loli. She got erased from history but sometimes they still use her in other alt-future comics because they know people liked her. Alternatively, just make characters like Supergirl, Wonder Girl II, and the whole cast of the Teen Titans, Young Justice, and Legion of Superheroes slightly younger. Most of them are teens (or at least were at some point in history). You could make them slightly younger at not much would change. It's sometimes part of Supergirl's story that she's still a kid, but since she doesn't look like it, a lot of writers forget about that and treat her like an adult, which is much more boring, since a kid having to adjust after watching her planet get blown up has more pathos, and is more different than Superman. But feminists just see "girl Superman" and write that, even though it's fucking boring and stupid. >>1520067 >You could also give her magic wings that only allow her to glide The canonical explanation for why it sometimes looks like Wonder Woman can fly is because she is so graceful she can glide on the wind. Use that stupid explanation, if you must. But honestly flight is a pain to make work well in action games. Light gliding maybe, though. But it might come across as too similar to Batman. Not that that's stopped other games from copying the formula. >Any one can do puzzles, but I do not know if she has a villain like the riddler who would be leaving puzzles for her to solve. Doctor Psycho. Angle Man. Egg-Fu. Wonder Woman villains fucking suck, but there are a few mad scientists in there who could get the job done. >or she would need to be against powered up rank and file bad guys which would create problems for level design. The levels would have to be constructed of a material that the bad guys could not destroy. They'd just say she's fighting demons and robots or genetically engineered superfreaks or something. Should that mean that every environment is fully destructable? Yes. But it's not like there aren't plenty of other games where environments that should be destroyed just aren't. >>1520346 >she could block bullets with her arm bracelets, meaning that she isn't bullet-proof like Superman, Wonder Woman was clearly invented for fetish purposes. William Marston was very into femdom and power play. That's why she uses a lasso that can make people do whatever she wants. Also, her own weakness is being tied up by a man, which makes her lose her power. That never gets brought up anymore, because feminism, but check the old comics. It's there. And yes, she's fast and can block bullets with her bracelets, but she can definitely be penetrated, which I also think Marston did on purpose. The other problem with a Wonder Woman game is that she doesn't have as iconic locations as Batman. She has Themyscira, but it doesn't have a bunch of landmarks like Gotham City. And most of her stories don't actually take place there. She's from there but moves away in her origin. It is to her what Smallville is to Superman. But unlike Superman she doesn't move to a distinct city like Metropolis. She doesn't have a Gotham City. They just have her live in different random places that DC thinks might make sense for her. Sometimes she lives in DC because she's Themyscira's ambassador to the outside world. Sometimes New York, because that's where the UN HQ is. Sometimes she lives in Greece because they figure she comes from Greek myth, even though that's hardly important in comics from when comic books were actually popular. I guess the best thing to do would just be to set a game in Themyscira and maybe say that Hades is invading so you can have hellish areas. Even though Hades isn't always a bad guy in her stories. But whatever. If it was like Arkham Asylum metroidvania style it might work. But when exploring an open world you want to see recognizable locations, and Wonder Woman just doesn't have any. You couldn't go to Crime Alley or The Iceberg Lounge or Arkham Asylum, because Wonder Woman fucking sucks and doesn't have anything cool about her or her mythos.

>>1520346 >I do remember that she could block bullets with her arm bracelets, meaning that she isn't bullet-proof like Superman, so a few carefully placed shots could kill her Nah, with the shit she gets into fights with, that's gotta be just a nerf they made for the show, like Supes getting smacked around by police helicopter mounted guns. >she fought against Ares in one of the episodes, so I don't see why she couldn't fight against mythological creatures I thought her being tied to Greek mythology beyond Ares being one of her villains, was common knowledge by now.

>>1520651 No, Wonder Woman could always get shot or stabbed, but is good at blocking stuff with her bracelets. That's from her origin story in her first issue. She's strong, but her skin can be penetrated like normal. It kinda begs the question of how her skin can tolerate when she lifts stuff with a lot of force, but then if you start worrying about that too much, you get John Byrne levels of autism. He's the guy who explained that actually Superman's powers were mostly telekinesis. Because otherwise his hands should rip through large objects that he tries to lift. But no, he exerts subconscious telekinesis that only extends to things he is touching. "Tactile telekinesis," they call it. Actually, I love John Byrne and that type of autism. But Wonder Woman is written by feminists who don't care about sci-fi autism. They'd just say "It's magic, I ain't gotta explain shit."

>>1520647 >>1520647 >The obvious thing would have just been to make a Wonder Woman game that was a God of War clone. But they should have done that 15 years ago and I don't even like God of War. But there's some dude fighting Greek Gods with a chain, and Wonder Woman could be fighting Greek Gods with a lasso >Forgetting Castlevania >>1520699 No, I mean if she can stand against shit like Darkseid smacking her around; a bullet should be nothing. She should be DC's Yamcha/Leomon, a dozen times over, by now.

>>1520711 >>Forgetting Castlevania The 3D Castlevanias largely operated similar to God of War anyway. And God of War is specifically Greek. That said, I'm a weirdo who likes Castlevania 64 way more than any God of War. Make it like that game and I'd be down for it. >No, I mean if she can stand against shit like Darkseid smacking her around; a bullet should be nothing. She should be DC's Yamcha/Leomon, a dozen times over, by now. She can take a punch, just not a sword or bullet. But she's fast enough to dodge or block those.

>>1520711 >>1520651

>>1520724 >The 3D Castlevanias largely operated similar to God of War anyway Why are you so focused on it sticking to 3D? >She can take a punch, just not a sword or bullet There's a difference between a punch and one from not just a god but one that makes Superman bleed on the regular. All that force should be enough to shatter her arms she's blocking with into dust, before plowing straight through her torso as if it was a gelatin mold. Swords you can explain away as magically enhanced or futuristic science laser sword.

Well, since she is basically just supposed to have enhanced natural capabilities her being able to take a punch from someone with super strength is just an extension of a regular person's ability to take a punch. She has to block things that penetrate because people can't, or it could be even when you multiply the skins resistance to penetration the way that a super person multiplies their strength it still winds up not cutting it (no pun intended) against an axe or bullet. Now, if you think of bullets as not being penetrating but more crushing due to the fact that most rounds have relatively blunt tips you could make an argument for her being bullet resistant but then people could bring up that even edged and spiked implements are fairly blunt at the microscopic level and besides all this does is remove a defining feature of the character so what is the point if you're not a retarded feminist trying to make Wonder Woman into female Superman by replacing her schticks with his. Also, I thought Wonder Woman was just Magic, like she was a clay golem magically animated by Zeus or something?

>>1520647 /co/ anon. I have a question for you. Why is wonder woman in America? I just started thinking about that. She is born on some Greek island but she always seems to be in America. Shouldn't she be solving crimes around the Mediterranean sea?

>>1520925 Capeshit likes to keep everyone close for potential teamups and overlap. Because everyone is situated in just the US/New York, it tends to cause all villains and events to happen there too.

>>1520867 >Also, I thought Wonder Woman was just Magic, like she was a clay golem magically animated by Zeus or something?

>>1520949 Well Marvel does anyway. DC is all over the US.

>>1520949 Kinda makes villains all existing existing in New York kinda ridiculous. Move to any other major city & they'd be practically unopposed save for D-Z lister heroes.

>>1521089 It's not completely; you still have people like Doom who has control or sway in foreign countries and people like the Runaways parents who went to San Francisco because New York was too fucking concentrated with super heroes and competition.

>>1521112 Sure Doom has Latveria but he's the ruler. The villainly he does it almost always outside of it unless he's got like a weapon in Latveria the Fantastic 4 have to stop. The Runaways parents were small time despite being fully capable of being basically a cabal of world rulers if not the country. Sometimes you get villains like Carnage going around the country. Ended up in Texas at one point but had to deal with Kaine & Agent Venom. Blackheart tried to take over Las Vegas but he got Agent Venom, X-23, Red Hulk, & Ghost Rider on him at the same time. Someone like Kingpin moving to another city would make it big.

>>1521197 >Sure Doom has Latveria but he's the ruler There's shit like Intergang in the Young Justice universe being supported by Markovia and y Darkseid in Superman TAS. >Carnage going around the country. Ended up in Texas at one point but had to deal with Kaine & Agent Venom Who's Carnage now or did they retcon Sentry flying him up into space to rip him in half?

>>1521089 Wouldn’t the superheroes just move as well? >>1520975 Being a clay golem implies she’s still made of clay, but Wonder Woman has blood, bones, internal organs, dna, the works. And this is all before the retcon. But clayface was also able to absorb her clay one time to gain her powers, so who knows? The real answer is that comic writers are talentless hackfrauds.

>>1521223 That one works better. Though they're still usually just Superman Metropolis based villains. This is about villains all congregating in major cities with lots of heroes. Though even if it was just Superman, it'd still more than they could handle. Oh boy a lot's happened since then. Cletus & Carnage came back. Microverse shenanigans in Texas. Turned into this eldritch cult figure that led into Knull. Axis event where he was temporarily turned good. Got split creating Red Goblin via Norman & Normie Osborn. Now Eddie Brock is the host to the symbiote. Cletus's mind is in a clone body. Comic books are dumb. >>1521239 Most have actual lives in New York they can't upend. Daredevil moved temporarily one time but came back because he just couldn't get away from that life.

>>1521197 Power Pack got their powers in Maine in 616. No idea where the early 2000s miniseries was supposed to take place, but it wasn't New York City.

>>1521253 That version you're thinking of do move to New York.

>>1521263 Yes, but they started in Maine

>>1521286 It's for both. 616 & the miniseries.

>>1521239 >Wouldn’t the superheroes just move as well Before current year, there were some that established teams elsewhere, like the Great Lakes Avengers but it's just specks in comparison. >But clayface was also able to absorb her clay one time to gain her powers, so who knows The fuck is with Clayface and absorbing females? >>1521248 >Daredevil moved temporarily one time but came back That reminds me of the time Asgard got revived in Texas or someplace in the country. That was a fun time for the short period it happened (if only it and Dark Reign swapped lifespans). >>1521253 Whatever happened to Giruhiru?

>>1521312 Broxton, Oklahoma. They eventually left during Jason Aaron's run. Back when Jane Foster just had cancer & wasn't being forced as Thor's replacement.

>>1521312 >The fuck is with Clayface and absorbing females

>>1521312 They still get work, recently did a bunch of Jeff mini comics and the cover art for the current Jeff run.

Can someone tell me why's it always Venom whenever I come across someone knocking up Power Pack? The Spiderman team up part of the mini series couldn't have warped so many peoples minds, right? >>1521360 I don't know how I'm still surprised by how big of a whore, Marvel is. If only Rivals never existed so they could die faster.

>>1521360 >they I though “they” were a single female asian?

>>1521394 It did indeed. But also it's clear the artist has a penchant for loli rape & abuse.

>>1521399 Giru and Hiru; two.

>>1521399 It's an art duo like >>1521416 states, their names are Chifuyu Sasaki and Naoko Kawano. It's GURI not GIRU.

>>1521416 Accidentally posted the comment before I went to look if I could find the picture I had of them; sadly nothing. How could I lose it... >>1521428 >It's GURI not GIRU Nah, she's the robot from Dragonball GT, and you'll never change my mind. >>1521403 Those are different from the other guy I posted, plus there's like three others than what I've posted that did the same; two of which are unsurprisingly Japanese with one of the two having the Venom symbiote using Katies womb to hide.

>>1521492 Many artists can do the same things.

>>1521394 >The Spiderman team up part of the mini series couldn't have warped so many peoples minds, right? You bet it did. This is the official comic. Katie's fanart chastity never had a chance.

>>1521505 But there's always a reason when it's something barely anyone knows about. One or two just happens, three is weird, but more than that and something's up; hell, I don't even see much randomly moving around of Venom being used in Rivals porn. >>1521534 Damn it, you sniped it before I could post it.

>>1521536 Tentacle domination rape porn is a common fetish, anon.

>>1520763 >Why are you so focused on it sticking to 3D? Good point. I guess because the conversation started with it being like Arkham, and everyone's been saying it should be a God of War clone since God of War first came out. Also my formative vidya years were the mid '90s, and a part of me still thinks of 2D as obsolete even though I spent the last few days 100%ing Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin. >All that force should be enough to shatter her arms she's blocking with into dust, before plowing straight through her torso as if it was a gelatin mold. No, because her bones are durable. Just not her skin. I'm pretty sure if you tied Wonder Woman up, you could flay all her skin off, but cutting an arm off would probably be too hard. Well actually I know you could because her weakness is being tied up. But even aside from that. Let's say she was held in place telekinetically or something. Her skin is vulnerable to being penetrated by things like knives or bullets, but otherwise she is durable. Okay, when you think about it this means her skin should be destroyed when she punches a wall into dust or whatever, but uh... it's magic. I ain't gotta explain shit. >>1520867 In 2011, after Flashpoint rewrote history, they revealed that actually Wonder Woman's mother, Hippolyta, was lying the whole time. She said she molded Diana out of clay, and that the Zeus saw her love for her fake daughter and so brought her to life, but actually she just fucked Zeus but didn't want to admit that actually she loves god cock. This was the same arc that revealed the Amazons reproduce by raping sailors (and then killing them), and they abandon their sons to Hephaestus (who is a nice guy, but it's tough to raise like a zillion abandoned amazon babies), but tell their daughters that actually they just magically have virgin births of only female children. And somehow Wonder Woman made it into her mid-20s (at least) before she figured out this was bullshit. This run of the comic was great. The gods were all fleshed out into very interesting characters, and I liked that guys like Hades and Ares weren't portrayed as just evil, but as nuanced allies who just have jobs that make some people uncomfortable. Also there was a cool arc where Diana becomes the new god of War. But because of the stuff acknowledging that the Amazons are sexist, feminists got super mad, so I bet this has all been retconned by now. But the Wonder Woman arc was a little fucked up because at the same time, in Justice League, Wonder Woman was friendzoning Steve Trevor, because she was afraid of his human frailties resulting in him getting killed because of her, which is classic superhero stuff and all pretty acceptable. Except then she was fucking Superman instead, and Steve Trevor just had to sit there as the government's Justice League liason and watch his girlfriend be romantic with Superman. It was gross and stupid, and even though they kept saying it was going to lead to something super important, by 2015 it was completely erased from history, and they re-established that Superman married Lois Lane in the early '90s, and said that actually they had a son "ten years ago" now. >>1520925 Her origin story is that she learned about the outside world when US airforce Captain Steve Trevor accidentally crash landed on her island, and she saved him. He proceeds to tell the Amazons about America and World War II (which was current at the time). They decide that America sounds pretty cool, better than the Nazis, at least, and Diana clearly has a thing for Steve (literally the only man she's ever seen), so her mom lets her go to America as a representative of their country, and to help fight the Nazis. And they deliberately dress her in an outfit with an American flag theme, so the people will trust her. The whole thing with the Nazis and World War II got removed from later continuity, so technically the Wonder Woman from about the mid-'50s and later is a different character with an extremely similar origin except it wasn't World War II. The WWII version was said to be from Earth-Two, while the main one (from the '50s, technically) was from Earth-One. In 1986 The Anti-Monitor shot (Earth-One) Wonder Woman with eye lasers or something and turned her back into clay, and this was right around the same time history got significantly rewritten anyway. So now in the new history (which was a continuation of the old history but some things were different), Diana only came of age and became Wonder Woman in the present day, shortly after the war with the Anti-Monitor, which still happened in the new history but Wonder Woman wasn't a part of it, because she didn't exist yet. Anyway this new history was actually pretty different for Wonder Woman, but the main thing about Steve Trevor and all that was still intact. During this era of continuity, Wonder Woman moved around to different cities as ambassador to the UN instead of ambassador to America. She lived in London for a while, for example. And a lot of stories just took place in Themyscira. Nobody really cares where Wonder Woman lives. In 2005 Superboy-Prime attacked. Superboy-Prime is a version of Superboy from the real world, which was destroyed in 1986, but he only discovered his powers very shortly before the world was destroyed. Luckily Superman of Earth-One saved him and recruited him to fight the Anti-Monitor, but since he was a variant of Superman, he didn't have a place in the new history that resulted after they beat him. So he, Superman and Lois Lane of Earth-Two (the originals from Action Comics #1), and Alexander Luthor, Jr. of Earth-Three (the son of the good Lex Luthor and still good Lois Lane from the backwards universe) went to live in a "Paradise Dimension" outside reality, made with Alex's powers. But they watched the DCU from there, and Superboy didn't like how dark things had gotten. It wasn't like the comics he grew up reading when he was a kid in the '80s (because he's from the real world, remember). Superman died. Green Lantern became a villain. Batman got crippled and later made plans to kill the whole Justice League, just in case, which predictably fell into the hands of villains. And the final straw was when Wonder Woman killed former Justice League organizer Maxwell Lord (who was basically a parody of Donald Trump) on live TV in front of everybody. Max used to be a good guy but eventually he decided metahumans were too dangerous, so he started planning to kill them all. Also he developed metahuman mind control powers which he used to make Superman fight Wonder Woman, which is why she had to kill him. But just in case he was gonna get killed, he broadcast it on TV. Not that Superboy needed that. He could see it all from the Paradise Dimension anyway. Anyway Superboy-Prime punched reality so hard that he cracked it and history changed. Perhaps the most notable change is that now Wonder Woman's origin was back before the Justice League again, so all the old adventures that were erased when her origin was brought forward to the '80s now happened again. Now all the stories were canon. History changed again in 2011, when Flash broke the timeline, but it didn't actually change Wonder Woman much. They explained she wasn't really made out of clay, but that was a retcon, and not attributed to Flash. It was just attributed to her mom lying to her the whole time. >>1520949 No, it's just that it's written by Americans, and almost all of them have always lived in New York. Marvel and DC headquarters were across the street from each other for many decades, until DC moved a few years ago. DC's address was 666 5th Avenue. I don't remember Marvel's because the number wasn't 666, but it was right there. Stan Lee always said he wanted Marvel to be "the world outside your window," and the world outside his window was Manhattan. DC largely happens in fictional cities, but Gotham is obviously based on New York. People think Metropolis is also New York, but actually in the first issue or two, Superman lived in Cleveland, where the creators were from. They never said Superman moved, they just stopped calling it Cleveland pretty quickly. The artist said he based the city on Toronto, though, where he lived when he was a kid. He said the Metropolis Daily Star (where Superman worked until they quickly changed it to The Daily Planet) is based on the Toronto Daily Star (now just called The Toronto Star), the city's newspaper. But obviously Superman is not Canadian. Also, even though few important characters live in DC New York, New York is still an important city. In the Crisis on Infinite Earths, when the heroes had to merge all the universes together with giant sci-fi/magic tuning forks (because in DC's multiverse, universes are in the same place but vibrate at different frequencies), they placed the tuning fork on Earth-One (the universe all the others were going to be merged into) in Central Park in New York. This is where the big final battle for all of existence took place. But this resulted in Earth, and specifically Central Park, being the most important place in existence. In 2000, Imperiex, who I'm pretty sure turned out to be an avatar of Brainiac 13, attacked Earth with the logic that, since Earth was the linchpin that held all the universes together into this one new universe, destroying it would destroy the whole universe. Later, shortly after Superboy-Prime's reality punch, Alexander Luthor, Jr of Earth-Three came back and made a new multiverse by splitting up Earth-One by making a new tuning fork out of the Anti-Monitor's body and vibrating it at the frequencies of people who were originally from other universes (even though none of them remembered they were because they all got new histories when the universes merged). But the new universes weren't actually the old universes, they were just sorta like them. Anyway, Earth was the center of this new multiverse, which is confusing because it's not the center of the universe. Oa, the Green Lantern homeworld, is the center of the universe. But Earth is the center of the multiverse because it's the point where all the universes overlap. Earth is in the same spot in all universes. Think of it like sticking a pin through a stack of paper. The holes in all the sheets, stacked together, are Earths. The rest of the paper doesn't need to be organized neatly, it can be all haphazard, but those holes are how the stack is held together. That's Earth. So if Earth is destroyed the multiverse is fucked. Earth is literally cosmically important, even though it's not always important in every universe. And more specifically than Earth, Central Park in New York city is the actual most important place in existence. If you destroyed it, it would destroy the multiverse. But the real reason why is because DC's (and Marvel's) head offices were right by Central Park in Manhattan.

>>1521223 There are lots of evil countries for the heroes to fight. Nazi Germany, the USSR, Latveria, Bialya, Markovia, Khandaq, Canada. The atrocities committed by Marvel Canada would be on par with Nazi Germany, except Marvel Nazi Germany had Thor fighting on their side, along with a bunch of other superhumans, and also Hitler survived by putting his brain in a clone body and is still running around to this day as a supervillain called The Hate Monger. But just look at Wolverine's backstory. They downplay it in the movies, but all that shit was the Canadian government. They're almost as evil as the real government of Canada. >>1521239 >Wouldn’t the superheroes just move as well? Half the time the supervillains are only around because the heroes are. Also, there are plenty of less famous heroes that would still mess with villains all over the world. There's a group called The Batmen of All Nations, who are what they sound like. A couple of them are kind of cool. In-universe, guys like Spider-Man and Daredevil probably wouldn't scare villains much more than losers like Speedball or whatever. You might not wanna mess with Thor, but he's usually busy doing Asgard stuff anyway. Also, Hulk just wanders around the southwest. He's scary, and enough to say that entire region is off limits. >But clayface was also able to absorb her clay one time to gain her powers, so who knows? The real answer is that comic writers are talentless hackfrauds. It's magic clay blessed by Zeus. It's both clay and flesh now. But yeah they just wanted to do something cool and didn't think about the logic too hard. >>1521248 >Most have actual lives in New York they can't upend. Daredevil moved temporarily one time but came back because he just couldn't get away from that life. This goes for the villains as well. Most of them are either normal enough to not want to leave their old lives entirely (low level guys like, idk, The Shocker), or crazy enough to not give a fuck (Carnage), or badass enough to want to stay because leaving would be cowardly (Kingpin), or they just want to target the heroes specifically (Green Goblin). And every once in a while there is a story of a villain who does the logical thing and just stops doing stuff that would get the attention of superheroes. Go to Cleveland and nobody notices, including the readers, because the fourth wall won't follow you there. >>1521312 >The fuck is with Clayface and absorbing females? Females are sometimes made of clay because sometimes writers reference Pygmalion. That's what Wonder Woman's origin is referencing. Can't think of a male version of Galatea, but if there was, I'm sure Clayface would try to absorb him too.

>>1521782 Shocker doesn't have a life. He's a loser.

>>1521787 Yeah but I figure what little life he has is in New York. Losers like that become attached to the cities they live in. That's what that song Under The Bridge is about. I bet Shocker loves The Red Hot Chili Peppers. Also I was gonna say Lizard, because he has a family, but actually he lives in Florida. Also I'm pretty sure he killed his son a while back. That was stupid. They shouldn't have done that. I guess I could have said The Prowler or something, but he's almost not even a villain.

>>1521795 He did. Got resurrected. Strange had to confirm it was indeed the son's real soul & not a clone.

>>1521814 Has Strange spoken about the fact that basically every X-Man is a clone now? How about Iron Man and War Machine? I saw one where Iron Man acknowledged that he wasn't even the real one, because the real one was killed by Carol Danvers. Of course, the one Carol Danvers killed was also a clone from the '90s, but whatever.

>>1521771 >they revealed that actually Wonder Woman's mother, Hippolyta, was lying the whole time. She said she molded Diana out of clay, and that the Zeus saw her love for her fake daughter and so brought her to life, but actually she just fucked Zeus but didn't want to admit that actually she loves god cock. I prefer this retcon because it defies “feminist utopia” nonsense.

>>1521862 Krakoa era also said it's the original souls inhabiting the clone bodies. That was Marvel's way of handwaving the cloning. Now they DO acknowledge the REAL Doc Ock died in Superior Spider-man after giving Peter's soul back his body. The one that's running around now is absolutely a clone with his memories.

>>1521875 So, when a monitor lizard produces clone offspring of itself via parthenogenesis, do the offspring all have the same soul as the mother?

>>1521910 Jackal clone his mom & him back to life. But again these particular clones are the real souls in new bodies. But fuck Doc Ock I guess.

>>1521915 Marvel writers don’t even know what parthenogenesis is do they?

>>1521917 If they did they'd use it for mpreg.

>>1521862 >Has Strange spoken about the fact that basically every X-Man is a clone now The muties are villains now, why would he care? I'm surprised Marvel hasn't tried doing another Clone Saga but mixing it with Civil War. >>1521919 They'd turn literal dildos into super heroes, right before they started doing that.

>>1521875 >>1521910 >>1521915 >>1521917 Well it's about as consistent as how Star Trek portrayed how the transporter worked.

>>1522532 Yeah but are souls real in Star Trek? When they brought Spock back to life, was it really his soul, or just his mind that was put in McCoy's brain? I think it was just the mind, since Roddenberry seemed pretty against religious stuff. But then after he died they did Deep Space Nine, but that show sucks compared to the Roddenberry era, so I don't care about it.

>>1522977 >Yeah but are souls real in Star Trek? That's something else that they've been all over the board with. I remember one episode of TNG where several crew members get possessed by what amounts to be ghosts of a prison ship. And there's multiple cases where beings that began as physical biological humanoids ascend to a non physical body which imply that some sort of souls exist. Even during the Roddenberry era a lot of characters seem to be deists or agnostics rather than full on fedoras. Star Trek can't even stay consistent as to whether Vulcans lack emotions due to biological reasons or whether it's just a cultural or semi religious philosophy.

>>1522532 Transporters in Star Trek have always been consistent. It's just there's ways things can go wrong unintentionally from other factors. Riker getting cloned was an unintentional error & not the norm. Your particles stay the same from transport to transport.

>>1523003 >amounts to be ghosts Wouldn't that just be psychic energy or whatever? Psychic abilities and energy beings have always been a thing in the series, but they pretend that's sci-fi and not just magic. Whereas in comics they go on about sci-fi stuff all the time, but Christianity is real (so is every other religion, but ultimately it all comes down to Christianity) and that includes souls that go to heaven and hell and stuff like that. There are atheist characters in comics, like Mister Terrific II (Michael Holt) who figure that that's all just psychic abilities, other dimensions, and sufficiently advanced aliens, but there are other characters who explicitly have met or even work directly for the Christian God, who explicitly created existence. (Yes, there is meta stuff about Earth-Prime, but it's canon that Earth-Prime is just one more Earth in the multiverse and God still created it.) The Spectre works directly for God, Eclipso is the Angel of Death who killed the firstborn sons of Egypt in Exodus (which DC says went too far, so he got fired and replaced with The Spectre). Vandal Savage is Cain and Resurrection Man is Abel. And that's to say nothing of all the other angels and demons who imply Christian canon but are not explicitly characters from the Bible. Also, I'm pretty sure that Batman is a fifth generation reincarnation of Jesus Christ. He's the Fifth World reincarnation of Orion. (Hence he kills Darkseid in Final Crisis. Also in Darkseid War he's the Fifth Generation reincarnation of Metron. He can be both, I suppose.) Orion is the Fourth World reincarnation of Thor, specifically Marvel's Thor, since Kirby wasn't allowed to do his Ragnarok story properly and Fourth World was his attempt do basically do the same thing at DC, and the first page of New Gods makes this connection pretty obvious. And I don't remember what The Second World is (I know the Greek gods are spinoffs created by the God Wave caused by the destruction of the Third World), but wouldn't the First World just be Jesus? There seem to be other comics autists in this thread. Maybe somebody knows that. But in Star Trek, every time they fight God, it turns out he's fake. Whether its Trelane or Apollo or Q or the character that is explicitly referred to as God in Star Trek V, they all turn out to just be aliens. And there's V'ger, which is clearly an attempt at making another story about God just being alien or technology, but the studio made Roddenberry tone it down, so much that he got mad when Star Trek V was allowed to do the same thing more explicitly. I think in Star Trek, we are supposed to believe that it's always just technology or aliens, while in comics, technology and aliens can do basically anything, but also God and souls are explicitly real. As for Vulcans, I always figured it was that they do have emotions but they're just repressed, and if there is any biological element to it at all, it can just be chalked up to artificial selection that occurred after the split with the Romulans. Clearly there would be social pressure that would result in those with less intense emotions breeding more than those with more intense emotions. You'd think it would be enforced by the government, even. But then Spock's dad boned a human, so I guess not.

>>1524269 TOS implies heavily that Jesus is canon in the Roman planet episode. At the end Uhura says the "sun god" cult worships the Son of God. To which Kirk remarks along the lines of "Wouldn't it be something to see it all happen again?"

>>1524269 >but they pretend that's sci-fi and not just magic Most sci-fi is just unexplainable magic LARPing as science.

>>1524346 At least 40k acknowledges this and even incorporates it into the narrative.

>>1524322 Yeah, but honestly that all feels like it was forced by the network. The entire episode's theme is pretty heavy handed, but then at they end they drop like two words to be like "yeah, but don't worry, viewers, your religion is real. It's only all the others that we're commenting on."

>>1524948 That episode didn't have a message around religious criticism. It was just a wacky concept with props & costumes they had on hand. You want a heavy handed episode, look at any of the ones that literally reference the Garden of Eden or when Kirk literally read the Declaration of Independence to people from a destroyed colony. Or heck the Nazi episode.

>>1525002 I'm not saying it was the only heavy handed episode. There were a bunch. Then again, they were pretty subtle compared to the later series. Except the one with the declaration of independence. That was pretty crazy.

>>1525007 Yeah I'm just saying the Roman episode wasn't one that was heavy handed with any messaging. You can maybe make the argument it's criticizing modern America's consumerism & glorification of violence being compared to Rome if anything.

>>1525018 I strongly disagree, but interpreting themes is somewhat subjective, so fair enough.

>>1525024 How dare you be respectful in a capeshit thread on /v/! This is a subject matter that should make conflict thrive!

>>1515783 Punisher feels more like a euro pulp hero than an american super hero. I've always felt Frank has been done a disservice in sticking him in the greater Marvel superhero universe.

>>1525209 The Punisher was originally a Spider-Man villain. He was hired by The Jackal to assassinate Spider-Man because Jackal (and everyone else) blamed him for the death of Gwen Stacy (and Norman Osborn, but Jackal was obsessed with Stacy). Punisher did end up teaming up with Spidey, but still, he was very much a Marvel character in his first appearance. The depth you enjoy came surprisingly slowly over time. It took over a decade from his first appearance for him to get his own series, which is when he really became a more fleshed out character. His origin only took a year or so after he first tried to kill Spidey, but even then, he's just a ripoff of Death Wish, or if I want to be more precise, The Executioner (basically the same thing but in novel form, and the creator of the Punisher admits he got it from The Executioner). But the idea of a family man getting pushed too far and deciding to go out and shoot criminals was a popular one in the '70s, as crime rates were skyrocketing and people were fucking sick of hippies pretending criminals were good guys. We really need a Punisher now. That's why Marvel has been determined to destroy him in the last few years. Honestly, it really feels like an American story, and specifically one from 1970s New York. It wouldn't work as well if he was from another state, let alone another country. It reflects the malaise of quickly watching places like Central Park and Times Square turn into murderous open air crack dens, while politicians and media promote the decay and tell you you're wrong for noticing. A universal theme to a degree, but just go look at Times Square in movies from the '70s and '80s. It's outright dystopian. And well I suppose it is again now. That's why we need The Punisher now more than ever, or at least more than we've needed him since the early '90s. So if you want to see The Punisher outside the Marvel Universe, read The Executioner. Or if you just want to watch a good movie that also looks like it inspired Punisher, go watch Death Wish (which is also based on a book, but a different book. Not that different though). Great movie. Not the sequels, unless you like campy trash (which I do), in which case Death Wish 3 is pretty great. But Death Wish 1 is an excellent drama that actually reflects its title. The Death Wish remake with Bruce Willis from a few years ago also triggered SJW critics, so that's kinda fun. The movie itself was a decent popcorn flick. Better than anything else Bruce Willis was in in the 2010s. Also there was another remake in the 2000s that nobody knows about because they changed the name to Death Warrant. It starred Kevin Bacon and tried to delve into the moral ambiguity a bit more. It was pretty good, the author of the book liked it better, but I still vastly prefer the original from the '70s. An old man being the vigilante adds something the remakes didn't quite get. I mean, I bet Charles Bronson was about the same age as Willis was in the remake, but Bronson looked old as fuck the whole time. By Death Wish 3, him being old is part of the plot, and by 5, when he's an 80 year old man running around shooting people point blank with rocket launchers, it's outright comical. Death Wish is freaking awesome. Also, the three Punisher movies all don't tie in to the larger Marvel universe, and they're all pretty decent, so you could just watch those. And the Daredevil series is in the MCU, but really doesn't reference it at all, at least in the first two seasons. Season 2 is just about him defending Punisher in court and fighting ninjas. I can handle ninjas in Punisher world. And there's the Punisher TV series, but I kept walking in as my brother was watching it and there seemed to be some sort of extended subplot about Frank fucking Microchip's wife, and that's just unpleasant. Plus by then Daredevil had crossed over into The Defenders, and that series was boring as sin and soured my taste on the entire Netflix Marvel lineup. Well, Luke Cage was even more boring, but I sat through it for the promise of The Defenders, which was a letdown, so I stopped watching.

I consider Prototype a capeshit type game due to his abilities and map exploration, and I enjoyed it

DID U KNO that the best Spider-Man game is also the best 3D Zelda clone!? This isn't even bait.

>>1529956 Sekiro wasn't a souls game?!

>>1530030 Real talk? It honestly isn't. It's build off a souls game engine and has some basic level mechanics brought over (and of course some in house animation and character rigs) but it really an action game with very light ARPG mechanics. As for being a "3D Zelda clone", Souls games already have a lot in common with OoT combat and Sekiro really expands from there. It basically has Zelda leveling and the prosthetics feel very much like Link's secondary weapons. And of course you have a "hook shot" tool as well. I'm convinced you could do a some reskinning of characters and environment and shifting of boss order a bit and without changing any of the actual underlying mechanics the game would be a great Zelda side game. Owl (Father) would probably be a good choice for a Ganondorf fight and Demon of Hatred would be a good choice for his Ganon transformation. And if you wanted to make a fun Spider-Man game you could do a lot worse than Wolf's movent and grapple mechanics. Just replace the sword with Dane's combat arts from Elden Ring and you've got a great starting point for a Spider-Man game.

>>1530030 I think it's Souls-lite rather than Souls-like and From's attempt at a more modern Tenchu game.

>>1530545 Spider-man is more than just some swinging & grabbing.

>>1530581 Yeah, the other half of Spider-Man is relationship drama. But so far they haven't made a Spider-Man dating sim.

>>1525310 >Jackal was obsessed with Stacy See there's something I hate in alot of capeshit games/movies/comics and whatnot You have multiple men obsessing over one bitch, like how so many want Susan Storm It's honestly stupid as fuck and just makes the characters seem like retarded simps >nooo this one woman who doesn't care for/hates me is my life partner, literally no other woman will do Come on now.

>>1531625 The Jackal was Gwen Stacey's college professor. He just had a crush on one of his students, but when she died, seemingly killed by Spider-Man, he became obsessed, and started using his cloning expertise to try to bring her back and also get revenge on Spider-Man. I think it makes enough sense. And you don't really see other characters obsessed with Gwen. Many years later they said Norman Osborn fucked her before she died, but that was specifically to mess with Spider-Man. Then later they revealed that actually it didn't happen and was a lie just to mess with Spider-Man, because even modern cucked Marvel realized that that level of cuckoldry was just too much. But yeah, Namor's simping for Invisible Girl is fucking stupid. I'm struggling to think of other examples though, even though I know they must exist. Lois Lane usually isn't in trouble because people think she's not, she's in trouble because she's an investigative reporter and gets herself into trouble, and also because people know she's involved with Superman. Same with Iris West, since she's a pretty blatant ripoff of Lois Lane. Carol Ferris doesn't have anyone simping over her. She is chosen by the Zamarons to be their queen, but that's specifically to target Green Lantern because they know he likes her. Hawkgirl had a stupid love triangle in Justice League Unlimited, so she could get BLACKED and Hawkman could get cosmically cucked out of what was explicitly said to be his destined soulmate, but thankfully that isn't in the comics. Wonder Woman has Steve Trevor, and in the post-Crisis era he was actually attached to her friend Etta Candy, and they got married, but after Flashpoint the writers got un-cucked enough to realize that it wasn't offensive for Wonder Woman to have a normal love interest, so Trevor was her love interest again. She cucked him with Superman for a few years, but that got erased from history. Mary Jane surprisingly doesn't have villains after her because she's hot, even though she is literally a supermodel. There was a love triangle thing where she was dating Harry originally but kept hitting on Peter, and that made Harry relapse on drugs, which made Norman relapse into the Green Goblin and kill Gwen Stacy (and himself), but that's just standard soap opera love triangle stuff, only one of the characters' dads was the Green Goblin. Betty Ross was in a love triangle with Bruce Banner and Glen Talbot, but again that was standard soap opera stuff, only one of the figures in the love triangle was a green monster. Tony Stark had the hots for Pepper Potts but couldn't act on it because he knew Happy Hogan loved her, and he owed Happy his life. That doesn't even have to do with Iron Man, that's just more soap opera stuff. Jane Foster didn't have simps obsessed with her. Even Thor got fucking bored of her and she just faded from relevance over time. I suppose Jean Grey has Cyclops and Wolverine both after her, and in early issues even Professor X has the hots for her. I chalk it up to her mind control powers. Just like how she turned Iceman gay. Superhero comics are largely soap operas. The fans will admit this. Maybe it was a bit less at first, but by the '60s, especially with things like Amazing Spider-Man and The Incredible Hulk, it really all became about soap opera relationship drama. Casuals think comic nerd arguments are about if Spider-Man could beat the Hulk in a fight, but real comic nerd arguments are about if Gwen Stacy was a better love interest than Mary Jane, or if Hulk should have just married one of several alien queens that wanted his giant green dong, instead of obsessing over Betty Ross for so many years.

>>1531987 I see, that's a pretty good explanation on the different cases. I've never thought of how much they do resemble soap operas. Recently someone said that professional wrestling is also soap opera styled. Guess it does make audiences interested and talk about it more. In all honesty I've never watched a Cape movie or read any comics so I was just doing a impulsive shitpost before based on secondhand info, but I appreciate your analysis anon.

>>1532088 How have you possibly made it your entire life without seeing a capeshit movie? It was the dominant genre in Hollywood for 20 years, with a bunch of notable blockbusters before then, too. Go watch Sam Raimi's Spider-Man. The first one especially really nails what the comics are all about. Spider-Man and The Incredible Hulk are very much soap operas. Early issues of Incredible Hulk even openly called it a soap opera, advertised it as such. Spider-Man, from the start, was really about Peter Parker dealing with family and relationship drama. Before Gwen Stacy, there was his first girlfriend, Betty Brandt, and before her, Liz Allan, the hot girl that picks on him. Hulk, very shortly after, was one of the first comics to really rely on having one continuing story from issue to issue, and that story heavily relied on Bruce Banner's love for Betty Ross, and how her dad hates him because he always wanted Betty to marry chad Glen Talbot, instead of a nerd like Banner, which results in General Ross and Talbot being enemies of both Hulk and Banner separately. Fantastic Four is less of a soap opera and almost more like a family sitcom. You have the mom and dad, the young hip uncle, and the weird family friend who is basically like an uncle but technically isn't. Even before they actually had kids, Johnny (Human Torch) was basically just in the kid role. When they meet Black Panther or The Inhumans (originally Fantastic Four supporting characters), it's basically just like when The Flintstones meet The Gruesomes, like when a sitcom family has a weird other family move in next door or something. Batman is a detective story, as shown by the anthology series he spun off from, Detective Comics. Superman came from Action Comics, the point was always the action. To be fair, Spider-Man came from Amazing Fantasy, but nobody would say Spider-Man is a fantasy story. But Spidey was introduced in the final issue, after Amazing Fantasy was already cancelled. They didn't care what story went in that issue because the series was already a failure. They didn't realize it would be such a success that it would spin off into its own series and become one of the most popular stories of the next century. Hulk was introduced in his own series, but it got cancelled after six issues and then he got moved into the anthology series, Tales to Astonish, which introduced Ant-Man. By this point, Ant-Man was popular enough to be half of every issue, so Hulk became the other half. Hulk gradually took more and more pages until eventually he had the whole book, and Ant-Man had nothing. I always thought this should be used more in the characters' actual series. One key aspect of Ant-Man's character is that he has an inferiority complex, which results in him changing his identity many times. First he becomes Giant-Man, then Goliath, then Yellowjacket, and so on. And he created Ultron, one of the Avengers' greatest villains, and one time he created a killer robot to threaten the Avengers so he could be the one to defeat it and thus look like the best hero. His wife, The Wasp, tried to stop him, so he bitchslapped her, and for some reason people still pick on him for that, and not for the killer robot. But I digress. Ant-Man first became Giant-Man in his very first story after Avengers #1. So clearly what happened is he saw the rest of the Avengers, including The Hulk, and it made him feel inferior. The Hulk then very soon went on to take over Giant-Man's series. Clearly Ant/Giant-Man should have a very personal vendetta against The Hulk, but they never really utilize that. Instead they just keep doing stories about that one time he slapped his wife in the '80s. Anyway, it's notable that Ant-Man wasn't a superhero in his first appearance. In his first two stories he was just a scientist who shrunk down. The first one was a bit of a horror sci-fi adventure where he accidentally shrunk down and entered an ant-hill. The second one he used his shrinking formula to fight some commie spies who wanted it. Only after that did he become a superhero. My point is that Tales to Astonish wasn't supposed to be a superhero series at all. But I suppose its title is vague enough that it can be whatever. I guess Hulk is astonishing. But it's not the same as Batman being from Detective Comics. Batman has to be a detective. It's in the name. Also Thor was from Journey Into Mystery, but I wouldn't say even the first Thor story was really a mystery. That's just a ripoff. And Iron Man is from Tales of Suspense, but his first story wasn't terribly suspenseful. I suppose this idea of using the anthology series to determine genre worked better at the beginning of the Golden Age and beginning of the Silver Age. Once superheroes got too popular, even mystery and suspense series just became plain old superhero series. Swamp Thing and Man-Thing are both basically horror comics. They're so similar that each company wanted to sue the other but they premiered the same month so it was hard to prove who ripped off who. The creators of both were friends in real life and it seems like they probably did it on purpose. Man-Thing first appeared in Savage Tales, even though his tales aren't very savage. Swamp Thing first appeared in House of Secrets, but the story didn't have that many secrets. DC was more honest with its series, Showcase. That was an anthology just explicitly to show off different ideas that could become their own series. It had many successes, most notably the rebooted Flash, Barry Allen. You know who is cool? Jonah Hex. He's a cowboy usually just in Western stories, but every so often he gets roped into superhero stuff, before going back to his cowboy life. And one time in the '80s he got warped to the post-apocalyptic mid-21st century for a couple of years. It sounds retarded but kinda worked. Then he went back home and just kept being a cowboy, and the weird Mad Max adventures are still canon, but he's stoic enough to not talk about it much. There should be a Jonah Hex game. I wanna follow his adventures, from being kidnapped and facially mutilated by indians when he was a boy, to fighting the Civil War for the Confederacy, to teaming up with other DC western heroes like Nighthawk and Cinnamon (past-reincarnations of Hawkman and Hawkgirl), and Bat Lash, and Scalphunter, to teaming up with zillions of superheroes from 100 years in the future so he could help them save the multiverse from the Anti-Monitor, to getting stranded 100 years in the future of that and doing Mad Max stuff, to going back to being a cowboy. I could be better than cucked shit like Red Dead Redemption 2.

>>1532088 TL;DR >>1533855 Yes comic books are very much soap opera written. Not just for the constant cheap drama tactics to keep you watching but the deaths being more like temporary inconveniences, everyone sleeping together, & just going on forever to name a few aspects.

>>1533866 You would think someone at marvel or DC would do like japan does. Just never marry any of their characters so people can self insert as their lovers. Seems to be working well for the east.

>>1535598 Well see manga covers many different genres, have at least a single person's vision running the narrative, aren't bound to working with other writers in a shared universe, & don't get assigned working on other series after a mangaka finishes theirs. The comic book system as we have doesn't work. Yes shared universes are cool. But with no cohesive cooperation between writers & oversight from editorial nixing ideas, it leads to an utter mess that requires charts, boards, & encyclopedias to explain. It shouldn't have to be like this. It's why alternate universe stories do so much better. They don't have the burden of the past holding them back.

>>1535598 But manga does marry off characters. Goku is married to Chi Chi. He's the most famous manga/anime character in the world. One of the most famous characters in the world period. But you have no idea how much some major people in comics agree with you. It's one of the most famously hated stories in comics. The story of Spider-Man's marriage. After many years of on again off again drama, during which time Peter had many other love interests, eventually he married Mary Jane Watson. To the fans, this made perfect sense. She was one the oldest Spider-Man characters, even appearing in the 1960s series (where she replaced Gwen Stacy in stories that were otherwise faithful adaptations, for some reason, even though Gwen Stacy was still alive in the comics and a much more important character at the time). By the late '80s, Spidey had been around for 25 years. He graduated high school over 20 years earlier, and then he was stuck in college for way too long, and to the fans, it felt like he should be a proper grown up. In other parts of the Marvel Universe, characters had been aging. The original X-Men had largely been replaced by a new generation of X-Men, for example. (The original X-Men became a separate group called X-Force.) The Fantastic Four got married back in the '60s and had a son in the early '70s. Why not let Spider-Man get married? Plus, they can sell the wedding issue and it would definitely make a lot of money. So they did it, and it did make a lot of money. But it didn't take long for some people, higher up in the company, to have a problem. Spidey had been around for 30 years and had a "classic" version now. Across several TV shows, for example, Spidey was a college kid. Mary Jane was sometimes a love interest, but Spidey wasn't married to her. He was too young to be married. Now it was the mid '90s. James Cameron was about to make a Spider-Man movie, and they had a new cartoon coming out to tie in with it. That movie never ended up happening, but the cartoon did and was a big hit. And of course the adaptations are classic Spidey. He's in college, and college kids aren't married. People picking up the comics won't know what the fuck is going on when they see Spidey is a grown ass adult with a wife. Plus, what if they were just losing one of the aspects that made the series popular in the first place? Spider-Man was somewhat groundbreaking because it was a series where the main character was a teenager. (Definitely not the first kid superhero though. The Star Spangled Kid did that back in the early '40s, and DC had since brought him back as a C-list character.) Spidey aged into a young adult within a few years (hence college), but still. But comics are all about continuity. The fans would lose it if they just said Spidey was younger now and X years of stories didn't happen. So they couldn't literally de-age Spidey. They could maybe do magic or sci-fi to de-age his body, but his supporting characters would all know, so he would still actually be old. But they could at least make him feel younger. If he wasn't married, he'd feel like a younger character. His marriage constantly reminded readers that he was getting older, and if he wasn't married, that wouldn't be a problem. But at the same time, they couldn't have him get divorced, because being divorced makes a guy seem even older than being married. So what to do? Well, back in the '70s there was an arc called The Clone Saga. See, The Green Goblin killed Spidey's girlfriend, Gwen Stacy, and he died in the fight, so everyone thought Spidey did it. Actually Spidey did sort of do it. When Gobby threw her off a bridge, Spidey tried to catch her with his web, and the whiplash broke her neck. Anyway, Peter and Gwen went to college together, biology majors, and they had this one biology professor called Professor Miles Warren. Turns out he had a bit of an obsessive crush on Gwen, so he set about cloning her. Also he cloned Spidey to mess with him. Also he hired The Punisher to kill Spidey, which was Punisher's first appearance. And oh yeah he became a supervillain called The Jackal, who really didn't look at all like a Jackal, he looked like a green goblin. I always figured they were trying to replace the now-killed Green Goblin. Jackal I guess didn't catch on so instead they had Harry Osborn go crazy and become The Green Goblin, and also at one point Harry's psychiatrist figured out Harry's secrets and became The Green Goblin for a while. He died, and Harry got better, but sometimes relapsed (which is also what happened to his dad). Anyway, the end of the original Clone Saga involves Spidey and his clone fighting The Jackal, and neither guy knows which is the clone, but conveniently one of them gets killed. The surviving Spidey throws his body in a smokestack. Also the clone of Gwen goes off to France to live a new life, deciding that she isn't the real Gwen Stacy, and needs to make her own life. So this relatively early example of cloning in Marvel is very clear that clones are not the same as the original person. So now it's the mid-'90s, over 20 years later, and the bigwigs at Marvel have a brilliant idea. Just say the clone from the '70s actually survived, and actually, he was the original all along. So that way they could say the Peter who got married to MJ wasn't even the real Spider-Man. His stories still happened, but now we have an excuse to follow this other Spider-Man, who was really the original, and whose story sort of paused in the early 1970s, right in the classic Spider-Man era. So they said the clone (who was really the original) had been wandering around for years under a fake name, Ben Reilly. He met Peter, and once it was confirmed Ben was actually the original Peter, he became Spider-Man again. MJ got pregnant, and Peter retired, and they went off to live happily ever after. But obviously fans were not okay with saying that over 20 years of stories were effectively no longer canon. The Peter they followed during that time was a character they grew attached to. He had decades more development than Ben Reilly, even if we accept that the first decade or so of Spidey stories really happened to Ben. So Marvel tried to flip-flop. Turns out Ben was the clone and Peter was the real one. Keep in mind, this takes years to justify in universe. Meanwhile, The Jackal is back, and there are all sorts of clones running around. There are clones of Peter's parents, there are symbiote clones, it's a whole thing. When you hear "The Clone Saga," this is what people mean, but really it's the second clone saga. So Ben has a new costume with a vest, because it's the '90s, and he starts calling himself The Scarlet Spider. And people are kind of okay with this, because they don't hate Ben so much they want him to die, they just don't want to lose Peter. But anyway the story ends with The Green Goblin revealing he faked his death back in the '70s, and both clone sagas were all according to keikaku. MJ gives birth, but the Goblin kills Ben and kidnaps the baby. And fans were sort of okay with Ben's death, because it was done respectfully, but this left the dangling thread of the baby. So Marvel launched this series called Spider-Girl, which took place in the future, but technically it was an alternate universe that maybe could be the future. It was called the MC2 universe. In that universe, the baby was rescued and became Spider-Girl when she was the same age Peter was when he became Spider-Man. Peter was old and injured at this point. But meanwhile, in the present, Peter never actually got around to rescuing her, even though he fought the Green Goblin plenty of other times. But Marvel never actually ended up solving the original problem of making Spider-Man unmarried. So ten years later they tried again. It was during the Civil War storyline, when Iron Man and Captain America were fighting over the Superhuman Registration Act. Iron Man convinced Spider-Man to reveal his secret identity to the world, to make a statement in favor of the act. An assassin promptly shot Aunt May. Peter immediately regretted his decision, even though, let's be honest, May was like 100 years old and super sick from day one. But he also knew that now MJ would be in danger, as would everyone else he cared about. So Mephisto, the devil, appears to him and offers to make it all better. All he wants in exchange is Peter's marriage. Now, you'd think this would be like the devil wants to take his love, but it isn't that. It's literally his marriage. Peter and MJ have still been dating that whole time, they just didn't get married, and one of the only things explicitly said to change as a side effect is that they never had a baby. She was presumably still alive, and Peter erased her from existence. But in exchange, Mephisto saved May's life and made it so everyone forgot Spider-Man's identity. They remembered that at one point they knew Spider-Man's identity, but they all forgot it. He then re-revealed it to a few characters who knew it before. So now Spider-Man wasn't married, and was never married. Except the fans know he was, and the fans know this whole story was fucking stupid. And also a significant portion of people had a problem with Peter erasing his baby daughter from existence to save his ancient sick aunt, especially since that daughter was a fan favorite character in a future timeline. And actually since they've done other future stories where Peter and MJ are married again, and where Spider-Girl is back, but it's not canon to the main universe. In the main universe they went back to their on-again off-again relationship. Maybe they got back together in the last couple years, but Marvel has become outright unbearable SJW trash so I'm not reading that shit.

>>1536447 A similar thing happened with Superman's marriage. Lois Lane finally found out Superman's identity in the early '90s, and they wanted to do a wedding story shortly after, but the higher ups told them to wait so that they could time it to match up with the TV show, Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman. They'd do the wedding on TV and in the comics at the same time. It would be a great marketing stunt. They just needed a filler story for the comics while the TV show as able to set it up. That filler story was The Death of Superman. It was a much bigger and more successful marketing stunt than the wedding could ever be. In fact, it was so big that it helped to burst the comic book industry's speculator bubble. See, for a few years previous, people had been hearing news stories of comic books selling for absurd amounts of money. This made normal people, and those looking for investments, start collecting in the hopes that one day they'd also sell their comics for crazy money. The most valuable comic of all was Action Comics #1, the first appearance of Superman. So naturally, The Death of Superman would also be worth an insane amount of money. So everyone bought it in droves. Nobody stopped to think that the reason Action Comics #1 was worth a lot of money was because by the late '80s there were only like two original copies left in existence, and both of them were bought by Nicholas Cage. Nobody knew Action Comics #1 was going to change the industry and pop culture in general. Comics weren't collectables, so they were usually thrown away, if not by the kids, then by their mothers. And then World War II happened, and people were told to recycle as much paper as they could. Action Comics #1 was incredibly rare, yet incredibly historically important. The Death of Superman became one of the highest selling comics of all time, and everyone bought it specifically to collect it, so it was worth nothing. The only higher selling comic was X-Men #1, which was an outright trick. See, X-Men #1 is from the late '80s. It's not the real first X-Men comic. The first was Uncanny X-Men #1, from the '60s. That's worth a lot of money, but not nearly as much as Action Comics #1, because it's much newer and thus not as rare, and the X-Men aren't as influential or historically important as Superman. Giant-Size X-Men #1, from the '70s, is also worth a lot, because it was a soft-reboot of the X-Men that introduced the second generation of characters, like Storm, Nightcrawler, and Colossus (and had Wolverine join the team, but actually he was already introduced as a Hulk villain). X-Men #94 is worth a bit of money because it's the first issue after Giant-Sized X-Men #1. But X-Men (Volume 2) #1, from the '80s? Worthless. I think I have three or four copies some guy on /co/ just mailed me one time for a Christmas exchange thread. And it was a nice gesture. But that's how little they're worth. And The Death of Superman is almost as worthless. It is a now classic story though. Anyway, Superman came back to life about a year after he died. In universe, it was only two weeks (which helped to justify how Clark Kent could also come back to life. They said he was trapped under rubble for two weeks, which was just about believable). This provided pretty good justification for finally marrying the girl he'd been simping over for 55 years by this point. So they got married, and that was that. Ironically, this was at the same time that Marvel was doing the Clone Saga to try to erase Spider-Man's marriage. So Superman and Lois Lane were married for about 15 years, but then in 2011 Flashpoint happened. Flash broke the timeline and when he put it back together things were slightly difference, and one change was that Superman and Lois Lane never married. She never found out his secret identity and they never dated. In the new Superman #1, Lois was dating some other dude. Shortly after, Superman starts dating Wonder Woman. They kept saying it was going to be a big deal and lead to the end of the world, but it didn't. Instead, Superman died. Again. He faced like three or four different things that all should have killed him, and then he died, and it wasn't at all as dramatic as the first time. Actually, the first time wasn't the first time, the first time was in a non-canon "Imaginary Story" in the '60s which was written by actual Superman creator Jerry Seigel. Lex Luthor just finally gets the jump on him and kills him. But Supergirl, who had been only operating in secret until this point, avenges him and carries on his legacy. But that was non canon. But now it's 2016 and Superman is dead. But while this second (third) Death of Superman story was going on, there was also another story going on called Convergence. In it, they revealed that Brainiac from before Flashpoint survived Flashpoint without being changed. See, he was hanging out at Vanishing Point, which is what they call this place at the end of time. So when Flash broke the timeline, instead of just having his history changed like normal, he fell through cracks in reality (created by Superboy-Prime back in 2005) and got warped by the other times history was changed, like The Crisis on Infinite Earths (when the Anti-Monitor fucked with things in 1986), and Zero Hour (the time in 1994 when Green Lantern became evil and tried to erase time so he could rewrite it as he saw fit), and Infinite Crisis (which had to do with Superboy-Prime and his reality punch, but technically happened slightly after). So the Brainiac we had been watching since Flashpoint was actually more like a splinter-timeline version, and the Pre-Flashpoint one still survived, and he was warped into a super powerful monster by all the "Crisis Energies." Since his first appearance, Brainiac's whole thing is that he likes to go around to different planets, pick their best city, and then shrink it with a ray gun and then collect them in bottles. Now Brainiac is bigger and more powerful, so what he started doing was using his power to take cities from different universes and timelines, from right before they were destroyed or significantly changed. So he had all the universes that were destroyed in the crisis on infinite earths, but he also grabbed cities from right before history changed in Flashpoint, even though technically they weren't destroyed, they just had their histories changed. He also had cities from timelines that were erased, like the three previous versions of the Legion of Superheroes (because by 2016 we were on the fourth version). Every version of continuity you can think of that was ever canon on any level in the multiverse was included here. However, things that weren't part of the multiverse, like most adaptations that came out post-Crisis, would probably not be included. The DC Animated Universe was included though, because that's officially part of the post-Infinite Crisis and post-Flashpoint multiverse. So he got one city from every universe and timeline, and he was content in his autism. But then he took at closer look at the city he collected from the Injustice universe, from the video game. This stupid edgy bullshit pissed him off so much that he decided his entire autistic obsession wasn't worth it, so instead he started pitting the cities against each other in wars. Two cities at a time, winner goes on to the next round to fight another city. Only the best will survive. Now, Flashpoint was in 2011, and now it's 2016, so the city he got from New Earth (the main universe) immediately before Flashpoint was in this bottle for five years. In that time, Superman knocked up his wife, Lois Lane, and they had a baby, Jon Kent. But anyway instead of only one city surviving Brainiac's tournament, the heroes convinced Brainiac that being a big gross monster sucked. So he used all his extra power to restore all the cities into full universes (even the ones that technically weren't universes, but were timelines before). Notably, these universes were outside the DC Multiverse, or at least the "local multiverse." But they exist. But Superman and Lois and Jon got all turned around or something and ended up in the post-Flashpoint universe (the main universe), right around the time that universe's Superman first appeared, which was about "six years ago." They revealed that this Superman had been operating in secret the entire time, and Jon had kept aging, so in the present, he was ten years old. Then Superman (the main Superman) died. And due to the circumstances of his death, Lois Lane and Lana Lang (Superman's high school girlfriend) got powers and became Superwoman(s), but this Lois got killed. So now the main universe Superman and Lois Lane were both dead. But the Pre-Flashpoint Superman and Lois merged with the souls of the dead main universe ones, and this altered reality so that their histories merged together. In the new history, most of the changes of Flashpoint were erased, so Superman and Lois Lane were married since the '90s again. All the Post-Flashpoint stories still happened, but not the stuff about them not being married, and not the stuff about them dying. But consequences of them dying, like Lana Lang becoming Superwoman, still happened, which is pretty stupid. I guess he only almost died. And oh yeah, Jon was now part of the main universe, born ten years ago, and he became the new Superboy. Which is a bit awkward, because the old Superboy, Kon-El, a clone of Superman and Lex Luthor's DNA mixed together, was still running around, but everyone just sort of forgot about him. Jon became friends with Batman's biological son, Damian Wayne, and they had a series called Super Sons, which was a reference to old 1950s "imaginary stories" where the sons of Superman and Batman had adventures together. This became a fan favorite. People liked the new Superboy. Turns out Superman being married and having a kid makes perfect sense and everyone loved it. >tl;dr: They tried to erase Superman's marriage, but fans got very mad, so not only did they bring the marriage back, but they gave them a ten year old biological son for good measure. (They had several adopted children before, but they didn't count. They kept going off to do other things eventually. Harder to do that with a biological son.) Then DC hired one of Marvel's big writers, Brian Michael Bendis, to write Superman. He immediately had Lois leave on some space adventure and had Jon Kent age into his late teens and reveal that he loves to suck cock. I told you comics became unbearable in the last few years.

I've read great things about the licensed game of X-Men Origins, but never figured out if they were right.

>>1536447 >>1536646 American comics are so convoluted that they make Dragon Ball Super seem like a tightly crafted one act play. They just need to fucking stop. Do like Toho does with Godzilla when they give him a 5 to 10 year hiatus between series. >Jon Kent age into his late teens and reveal that he loves to suck cock But not the cock about half his fans wanted him to suck. The aging up was a deal breaker for them too.

>>1536884 >But not the cock about half his fans wanted him to suck. The aging up was a deal breaker for them too. Exactly the problem. Jon's also a fucking pussy. He's what twitter fags want Batman to be. A harmless non-intimidating socialist that protests & hugs instead of fighting. Fuck Bendis for ruining the one good series from Rebirth & the potential Jon had with Damian. Fuck Tom Taylor for making him a gay pussy who's only character trait is being gay.

>>1536884 Dragon Ball Super only ran for like three years. Imagine how fucked it would be if it ran for 90 years. The Zamasu arc alone fucked things up as badly as the worst American comics bullshit.

>>1536911 I personally just pretend that everything after GT doesn't exist.

>>1536915 At a certain point the convoluted bullshit becomes fun. Check out Super Dragon Ball Heroes. That shit's retarded, but I must admit I get some autistic pleasure out of seeing Goku Red (Super Saiyan God Goku) fight Red Goku (Super Saiyan 4 Goku).

>>1536944 Super wouldn't be that bad if it weren't for the time travel autism and the reveal that the God of their multiverse is a retarded child that is ready and willing to wish entire universes into the cornfield for the dumbest reason.

>>1536960 I don't have a problem with Zeno. I think that fits pretty well. The first god they met was a cat with a sense of humor. Then a green slug man (who at least did act serious). Then a blue catfish guy who really considered himself a standup comedian more than anything. Then a weird old funny biker man (to be fair, this was filler). Then a weak little bitch (East Kaioshin), whose boss, the real top god of the universe, was actually a jolly old fat man (but who got absorbed by Buu). And then the God of Destruction is a sleepy cat, and he isn't even really as powerful as his gay blue manservant. I think Zeno works just fine in this context. Also, the problem with the time travel is that it wasn't autistic, so it doesn't properly make sense. A true autist would have made it better.

>>1536447 When I said that I was referring to wonder woman and power girl. Had completely forgotten about spider-man getting cucked twice. I have no idea what marvel was thinking with that.

>Thread's seemingly more /co/ than /co/ Is it just me that feels that way? Last I looked, the place looked no better than the obituaries.

>>1538561 Wonder Woman's never been married, though. The opposite. They tried to take Steve Trevor from being her love interest for decades because they thought it was better to have her be a strong independent woman that don't need no man! I'm not knowledgeable enough about Power Girl. I know one time she got magically pregnant back in the mid-'90s, but I don't know enough about her romantic relationships. Her continuity is completely fucked, though, so much so that it's part of her story.

>>1538657 As is tradition, /v/ talks better about ANYTHING OTHER THAN video games. Also, /co/ is dead because the mod is a smidge of a dick and nobody stopped people who watch faggot shit like Steven Universe and self-insert as the trolls from Homestuck from moving in. That being said, you seem like a cuckchanner who blew in last time that site went down so your definition of "healthy activity" is likely the terminally online belief that someone not posting to a thread within 5 minutes means it is dead. Make a thread there asking a question about something from DC or Marvel or say you're looking for a place to watch some old cartoon and you'll likely get a reply within a day or two so long as you put a little effort into the OP ie post 5 images/videos (with sound if applicable) related to what you're asking about. More on topic, what is with Superhero MMOs? This seems like the worst material to base an MMO on because superhero stories are usually focused on one character at a time and unless you consider playing an MMO solo to be the point and not an aberration. I feel like it would be better to have a co-op action game where you made your superhero then got teamed up with other players to respond to randomized disasters and crimes.

>>1538960 >I don't know enough about her romantic relationships Didn't one of them involve a fridge or something? >>1539056 >/co/ was always slow before the Tumblr invasion Nah, I mean that it practically is the obituaries with how much I keep seeing dead people threads, whenever I pop in. >>1539085 How's /a/? I remember it being shitty, early on. >That being said, you seem like a cuckchanner who blew in last time that site went down Nah, when the last site got framed and ended up on alphabet soup servers; I just pop in a couple times a year and if there's something that grabs my attention, I stick around for a while. >Make a thread there asking a question about something from DC or Marvel I'm not a masochist, anon. They're not even worth getting for free. >I feel like it would be better to have a co-op action game where you made your superhero then got teamed up with other players to respond to randomized disasters and crimes Isn't that what the raids were in DC Universe? The real issue with Super Hero MMOs is how they seem to keep everything locked up and away from you without the use of a credit card.

>>1538960 I thought wonder woman was with superman? I know there is one where they fuck and cause a tsunami killing hundreds. >>1539085 MMOs are perfect for Superheros. Think about it, Most mmo have you reach endgame only to fight the same bullshit over and over again while numbers go up. Just like how comics will start small, go big and then keep trying to go bigger. Never played CoH though, I have tried to play champions online multiple times but I never stick around.

>>1536905 >A harmless non-intimidating socialist that protests & hugs instead of fighting So, nothing like an actual socialist?

>>1539253 Ironically yes. Actual socialists attack people, block traffic, cause property damage, & burn down after looting businesses. He's just the fictional media shilled version of the modern leftist socialist hippie.

>>1536960 >time travel autism Dragon Ball turned into Japanese Star Trek? >reveal that the God of their multiverse is a retarded child that is ready and willing to wish entire universes into the cornfield for the dumbest reason That honestly the most natural thing about Super. His cool form will come when he shows his transformation. >>1537060 >The first god they met was a cat with a sense of humor. Then a green slug man (who at least did act serious). Then a blue catfish guy who really considered himself a standup comedian more than anything When they remembered there were furries in Dragonballs universe, they went fucking insane with over correction. >>1539253 Aren't children supposed to rebel against against their parents? How'd he end up so deep in the boy scout aspect of his father?

>>1539085 >superhero stories are usually focused on one character at a time But they live in large shared universes, and there are many series which do focus on many characters at a time. There are team-up series like Justice League or Avengers, and there are characters that are always teams, like Fantastic Four or X-Men. Then there are the huge universal crossovers with hundreds of characters shown (and more implied to be participating off-panel). So an MMO sort of makes sense there. Everyone has their own thing going on, but they all cross over. That said, even my mega autism for DC Comics couldn't keep me interested in DC Universe Online for terribly long. First and foremost, if you want a superhero video game, the action needs to feel good, and the RPG-first, action as an afterthought type of gameplay most MMORPGs have isn't good enough to hold my attention. >I feel like it would be better to have a co-op action game where you made your superhero then got teamed up with other players to respond to randomized disasters and crimes. There are lots of co-op superhero games. I think the real trick is making all the different abilities feel right in the same game. Spider-Man and Batman have good gameplay elements in their games, and you can copy a lot of those, but they're relatively weak characters. Super speed is even a bit tricky to get right in games. We're told Sonic is fast, but he isn't actually that much faster than characters like Mario. Put him in a world with Spider-Man and he wouldn't feel that much faster. That's why doing characters like The Flash or Quicksilver is hard to get just right. And then speed is also just sort of assumed for characters like Superman and Wonder Woman. And for characters with flight and super speed, what's to stop you from just flying all the way around the world? Superman should be able to do that. >>1539175 >Didn't one of them involve a fridge or something? You might be thinking of Green Lantern. Green Lantern Kyle Rayner's origin story involves his girlfriend, Alex DeWitt, being killed and stuffed in a fridge by Captain Atom's nemesis, Major Force. Later, Green Lantern Hal Jordan's ex girlfriend Arisia Rrab is killed and stuffed in an oven by Major Force. She gets better though, because she's an alien. >>1539217 >I thought wonder woman was with superman? I know there is one where they fuck and cause a tsunami killing hundreds. After Flashpoint, when Superman's marriage got erased from the timeline, eventually Superman and Wonder Woman got together. If they did cause a tsunami, I missed that story, but it's possible, because the story kept saying that their relationship was going to somehow lead to universal destruction or something. But then their relationship got erased from history, and Superman's marriage was restored, about three or four years after they got together, and nothing very notable resulted from it. It's also possible there is an alt-universe where they fucked so hard they caused a tsunami. That sounds like something that would happen in Injustice or something. I never read those comics. The game sucked hard enough. >>1539314 >Aren't children supposed to rebel against against their parents? How'd he end up so deep in the boy scout aspect of his father? Because Superman's a good dad and raised his kid right. But then Bendis had sci-fi shit happen to him that turned him gay. It's very tragic.

>>1539922 >There are lots of co-op superhero games. Could you name a few good ones? I know games like Marvel Ultimate Alliance exist but I see more garbage like Gotham Knights/Suicide Squad/Marvel's Avengers than that when I search for this type of game. Do I have to go Lego? I'm not really a fan of the Lego games aesthetic.

>>1540220 Maximum Carnage is the best game LJN ever made. It's not co-op, but the sequel, Separation Anxiety, is, and while it's not as good as Maximum Carnage, it's still pretty good. There are tons of co-op superhero games, mostly beat 'em ups, from back in the day. X-Men on NES is mandatory co-op. Your problem is that you're looking at modern games, which are shit anyway. Look at old games. I know I just listed a two LJN games, but uh... check out The Punisher arcade game. Player 2 is Nick Fury. That's a good one. It has ports for home consoles too if you want those. There's the classic X-Men arcade game that everyone goes on about. There's Captain America and The Avengers. There are two or three games based on Batman Forever which I think all have co-op. People also say they're all bad, but I don't know, I never bothered to try to actually learn them. The Batman Returns beat 'em ups are good, though. But they're not co-op. That said, the Ultimate Alliance games are probably the best examples.

People don’t like superhero comics because they’re too convoluted, it’s that simple. Obviously the sjw gay pozz didn’t help, but comics where less popular than anime even before that. <b-BUT MUH COMPLICATED SHONEN POWER SYSTEMS Shonen is the lowest tier manga, but even they are less convoluted products overall than capeshit. BHA, which is literally based on capeshit, still manages to be a less convoluted experience. It’s less the power systems and more the stories. Mostly it’s the fault of crossovers. Probably the same reason why Invincible is popular despite being bad. It’s a world full of superheroes sure, but it’s not a crossover. The other superheroes aren’t characters from another comic book who occasionally take part in the story, they’re actually part of the same story.

>>1543055 I think I stopped paying attention to capeshit completely after the Civil War. Watched Guardians of the Galaxy, hated it and then tuned out completely. Never watched an Avengers flick because it all just looked like another shitty blockbuster ala Transformer. Thankfully, heard they're all somehow worse than Transformers, at least Transformers could take itself serious without 4th break walls and reddit references everywhere.

>>1543055 As clearly the biggest comics autist here, this guy is correct. He should kill himself for putting each sentence on a separate line, but he is correct that comics were already selling abysmally before the SJW era. They were selling abysmally since the mid-'90s. And yes, part of that might likely has to do with how convoluted things are. And yes, it's largely due to crossovers. But you're missing something important. It's really due to just how the stories are told. It's very rare for a story to be less than one issue now. Originally each comic book would have multiple stories in it. By the mid-'60s, we got to the point where most stories were a full issue. A decade later and it was common for stories to be multiple issues long, but at least then they always tried a little bit to frame things so that you could start on any issue and understand what was going on. But by the late '80s, they just dropped that premise entirely. By then, if you hadn't read the previous issue, you'd usually just be lost. How far back did you have to go to understand? Good luck finding out. But it was worse than that, because due to crossovers, the story might go across multiple series. And it isn't even just crossovers, it's also because the most popular characters star in more than one series. So you might have a story start in Detective Comics, then continue in Batman. Both series are just about Batman, but usually they tell separate stories. How do they both take place at the same time? Figure it out. Usually you'll eventually figure out that one happens before the other, but generally you won't know if you're reading them as they come out. The way I figure it out in retrospect is by finding out which series has an issue that doesn't end on a cliffhanger first. This involves at least light spoilers, and obviously isn't ideal. So you might get a story that begins in Detective Comics, then continues in Batman, then continues in Justice League, then continues in Justice League International (because Batman's on two different Justice Leagues), then continues in Robin, then Nightwing, then Batgirl, then Red Hood, then Batwoman, and then, just for fun, All-Star Western, which is usually set in the 1800s and about cowboys, but in this issue Jonah Hex is dealing with a scheme by Ra's al Ghul which is actually only paying off in the present-day Batman stories. And oh, there are Justice Leagues involved here, so to understand them, you probably have to be at least somewhat familiar with each individual member of the team, who very likely stars in their own series. In fact, it's not unlikely that you have to know what's going on in their own series. And I mentioned Robin and Nightwing. Nightwing is a member of the Titans (his generation got too old so they dropped the "Teen" from their name) and Robin is a member of the Teen Titans or Young Justice (basically the same thing with different names). And don't forget that those Justice League guys usually have their own "families," too. So to understand what's going in in Detective Comics, since Batman's on the Justice League, you might need to know what's happening with Superman. To understand Superman you need to read both Action Comics and Superman, and you very likely need to know what's going on with Superboy and Supergirl. Superboy is in the Teen Titans (if you're following Robin you already read that), and Supergirl is often in the Legion of Superheroes, but luckily they live 1000 years in the future and don't actually cross over that much. But if they do, god help you understand their convoluted continuities. And oh, if you want to understand Green Lantern, you also need to read Green Lantern Corps. You might even need to read Justice Society of America, since the original Green Lantern is on that team. Same with Flash. The original is on the JSA, the main one is on the JLA, and the third one is in both the JLA and the Titans, and the fourth is in the Teen Titans/Young Justice. At least there's usually only one Flash series at a time, but all the Flashes are on different teams. And at a certain point you just gotta have a baseline understanding of continuity. You need to understand why there are four Robins and four Flashes and 7200 Green Lanterns. You might even need to understand the differences between three different Superboys (and this doesn't even count Superboy-Prime, who is totally different guy) and four different Batgirls. If you get roped into a Justice Society story you might need to understand that the main Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman aren't even the originals, and the originals all died decades ago. All because you wanted to read the latest issue of Detective Comics. But that said, I put in the time and understand it. So I love it. But obviously it's a retarded way to run a business. You cannot expect to get new readers this way. And it's been this way since the mid'-80s. Manga can get very complicated sometimes, but never as complicated as capeshit. And even when it gets close, it's the exception, not the rule. You need to get into very deep Dragon Ball lore to start worrying about Dragon Ball Heroes and all its retarded shit. But you can just read the manga or watch the main anime series and you won't be confused by the expectation to have watched or read some other spinoff series. The closest you get is how Jaco The Galactic Patrolman appears in Dragon Ball Super. That's fine. Go read that one manga and you'll be fine. And the way he's introduced in Super, you won't be confused even if you don't read his original manga. I also like Digimon, and that's pretty convoluted. It's multimedia. Even if you only wanted to watch the anime, it turns out there was a theatrical "movie" (even though it's only like 20 minutes long) that you are supposed to watch first. Then after the first season, there is an audio drama with absolutely essential plot development to allow future stories to make sense. Then you gotta watch a second movie, then you can watch Season 2. But wait, the villain from Season 2 was actually introduced in the second entry of an RPG video game series, so you gotta play those two games. Note that that series isn't the only Digimon video game series, but you don't need the others. Or do you? Turns out Digimon World actually takes place before Season 1 (because it came out first in Japan) and explains some important stuff. You can understand the anime without it but it's canon and justifies some character and world stuff. Then Season 3 is a reboot, but wait, there's a character who briefly appears in Season 2 who is in Season 3. That's because he's actually the main character of the video games that introduced the villain of Season 2, and the fourth game explains how he went to this other universe. Oh, and there's the manga, which is its own universe even though the main character has the name and appearance of the main character from Season 1 of the anime. But the manga crosses over with Seasons 1-4. 4 introduces The Royal Knights, a group of characters who appear in later seasons even though they're all reboots. Then there's an important movie that's its own universe, but actually it isn't, it's a sequel to Digimon World 4. Digimon World 1 and 2 (and the second Trading Card video game adaptation) take place in the same universe as each other, which is actually the universe of the first two seasons of the anime, but Digimon World 3 is its own universe, and 4 is its own universe but actually this movie is a sequel to it and it goes deeper on the Royal Knights from Season 3 and also on Yggdrasil, from the handheld games which introduced the villain from Season 2. Then Season 5 goes even further with them. 6 and 7 are one story and at the end they cross over all the previous anime seasons but it barely matters. Then later they did more sequels to Digimon World 1, which means we're back in the universe of the original anime. Later they did sequel movies to those, while also doing a reboot of specifically Season 1, so the characters look alike but are different people than the ones in the movies that were coming out at the time. That reboot anime has the bad guy from those RPG video games I keep mentioning, but he's not actually the same character, even though he's supposed to be a multiversal monster so there should only be one of him. Also the manga released a special chapter to cross over with this season of the anime as well. And at a certain point I gave up on new Digimon because it strayed very far from what made me love the first three seasons and the manga, so this is as far as I got. >>1543064 Why do you also put each sentence on a separate line? This should be a bannable offence. If you watched the movie of Civil War, then you basically watched an Avengers movie. That movie is really Avengers 3. If you mean the comic, well yeah fans didn't even like that comic. They were thankful when the movie was different. You can tell real fans from when they complain about a movie adapting a comic they don't like. Fake fans will pretend Civil War was good. They'll act like just because something happened in the comics it was good, when real fans will complain that nobody liked Kamala Khan in the comics in the first place, so putting her in the movies isn't going to be a good idea. And no, the Transformers movies are much worse than the Avengers movies. You wanna talk about convoluted, though? Oh boy, you'll niggas don't even know about Transformers lore. Maybe I'll get to that later.

>>1543197 >Why do you also put each sentence on a separate line? Quick reply formatting >If you watched the movie of Civil War No anon, I read some of the Civil War comics, absolute trashfire with a fuckhuge marketing campaign behind it. >the Transformers movies are much worse than the Avengers movies I fucking doubt it, and I watched Revenge of the Fallen in the cinema by force. Felt like blowing my brains out throughout and I wasn't even a fan of the cartoons.

>>1543197 Putting different sentences on different lines is patrician. At least, in my opinion. You are free to your incorrect opinion, however.

>>1543217 >Quick reply formatting That doesn't make any sense. Hitting Quick Reply doesn't force you to press Enter after every sentence. >Revenge of the Fallen Yeah, that shit sucked. The bad guy was a Transformer who didn't even Transform. That's worse than every Avengers movie. Transformers doesn't do many crossovers, but it's still incredibly convoluted. See, right from the start, it had multiple continuities. There were two main ones, the comics, and the cartoon. But also there were smaller continuities, like say random storybooks they might sell, which the wiki defines as micro-continuities, because they don't fit into the main ones. Also, the text on the back of the box of each toy is seemingly a continuity, but it's not like all the toys are one continuity, because some are based on different TV shows and comics, so there are multiple toy continuities. So technically the toys came out first and would be the first continuity, but the stories were made by Marvel staff for the comics and the toys. The cartoon was then based on the same basic outlines. But really you have the comics and cartoon and they're two separate continuities. The cartoon is simple. Watch the first two seasons, then the movie, then the last two seasons. The comic is where things start getting complicated. First of all, it's in the Marvel Universe. The origin of the Dinobots in the cartoon is that the Autobots thought dinosaurs were rad and thus made some new Autobots that looked like Dinosaurs. In the comics the explanation is that the Dinobots ejected from the Autobots' spaceship, The Ark, before it crash landed on Earth 4 million years ago. But wait, dinosaurs went extinct 64 million years ago. But not in the Marvel Universe. The Dinobots landed in The Savage Land, a secret location from Ka-Zar and X-Men comics where dinosaurs are still alive. So really the Dinobots didn't even need to eject four million years ago, they could have turned into dinosaurs in the present. But whatever. The point is, being in the Marvel universe is important. Also they meet Spider-Man in like Issue 4. In fact, important Transformers villains Circuit Breaker and Death's Head are both owned by Marvel. Circuit Breaker is a woman that was crippled in a battle between the Transformers and hates them all, but her superpowered identity, Circuit Breaker, first appeared in Secret Wars II, because Marvel wanted to try to own the copyright for her, but every character introduced in the Transformers Comics would be owned by Hasbro. They never did end up using Circuit Breaker outside Transformers again, though, maybe because she was already an important character in Transformers first, before she became Circuit Breaker, so their copyright claim would be flimsy. They then pulled the same shit with a character called Death's Head, who had a very short backup story in random Marvel UK comics to introduce him, so they could own the copyright, but really he was an assassin hired to kill some Transformers. But Marvel actually kept using this guy, mostly in Marvel UK exclusive comics. They had to shrink him, because being the size of a Transformer, he was originally giant. But eventually he shrunk down to be small enough to fight Marvel characters, including Doctor Who, who Marvel had the rights to at the time. But you don't need to read those stories to understand what's going on in Transformers. But there is a major crossover series called GI Joe vs. The Transformers. And this makes sense, because obviously those two series are pretty closely related in real life. Transformers exists directly because GI Joe found success with the multimedia stealth-commercial format first, and Hasbro wanted to do it again. Some important stuff does happen in this crossover miniseries, so you do need to read it if you want to keep up with the story. This might make you want to read GI Joe, too. It's not the most complicated crossover ever, you might be able to understand it without reading GI Joe, but it would help. Also, I should note that the original GI Joe continuity is still going on to this day. Even after Marvel lost the rights, it just continued at other comic companies, and original creator (of the first GI Joe comic) Larry Hama still writes it (but not every issue). However, there are also other GI Joe comics that aren't the original continuity, making this very confusing. And yes, GI Joe was originally in the Marvel universe, with its own Marvel elements in there, even though later it went to other comic companies and was involved in their crossovers. So okay, just read The Transformers #1-80 (the final issue), and put GI Joe Vs. The Transformers between whatever issues it was supposed to take place between. With the internet, you can figure that out. There was a comic adaptation of Transformers: The Movie, but it isn't canon. Or rather, it takes place in the future of 2005 (as the movie does), and the comic takes place in the present (of the '80s), so maybe you can pretend it's canon in the future. Even though they fight Unicron in the present in the comics, but you can just pretend the movie is not the first time they fought Unicron. But then there are the UK comics. In the UK, comics came out every two weeks, not every month. So they needed basically twice as much content if they wanted to publish Transformers in the UK. So they hired writers to write what were essentially filler stories that could fit in between the American stories. The thing is, the filler stories were great. They had better art and better writing. In fact, eventually the guy who wrote the filler stories, Simon Furman, got promoted to writing the American comics as well, which meant he was writing the whole UK comic now. Therefore, there were some references to the UK comics in the American comics. So could you say the UK comics are canon, right? No, because they had some differences. Some were edits when an American story would contradict a previous UK story, so they'd edit the UK printing of the American story to fix it. But these instances were mostly minor. A bigger difference is that GI Joe wasn't published in the UK. The UK version of GI Joe was called Action Force. They did do an Action Force crossover, but it was totally different than the GI Joe crossover. As I mentioned, important things happen, so they need to happen in both, but they're different stories. But importantly, the UK comics started telling stories taking place in the future, after the movie, and then doing time travel to have those characters interact with the present characters. So the movie is canon to the UK comics. But also there is a point where the time travel results in the future getting erased, and then they tell more future stories, but in the new future. But okay, if you want, you can basically just read the UK comics and for most of the differences, just squint, and you can pretty much overlook them. But not Action Force. Obviously GI Joe is more important and more canon than Action Force. More on this later. Also, just watch the movie. The comic adaptation is really an ad for the movie and you might as well just watch the actual movie. Let's look at the cartoon. You know how the comics are complicated because of the UK? The cartoon has the same thing but because of Japan. The Movie wasn't released there, so instead they did an OVA with a completely different story that would sell some new toys and sort of explain the time skip to Season 3. Then Season 4, which in America was only a few episodes called The Return of Optimus Prime, wasn't released in Japan. Instead they did an original anime series called Transformers: Headmasters, which was sort of based on the same concepts, to sell the same toys, but really just went off in its own direction. And then after that, they did several more anime series. So the Transformers cartoon continued in Japan much longer than in America. Optimus Prime wasn't even important. At least one season has a human who transforms into Optimus Prime. I haven't watched all of these yet. I gotta get on that. Eventually it's the early '90s, and Hasbro wants to bring Transformers back, so they make a series called Generation 2, which is just reruns but with new framing segments with Optimus talking to a live action kid. But at Marvel, Generation 2 was an original comic series which continued from Generation 1. It begins with GI Joe showing up and doing important stuff, so just to be clear, the GI Joe crossover is canon, not the Action Force crossover. This comic got cancelled after only 12 issues, but I thought it was pretty cool. But Hasbro tried again with Beast Wars. This was a cartoon, not a comic. The Transformers now turned into animals instead of machines. Even though some turned into robot animals before. But now they looked like real animals. Even though actually there were some called Pretenders that already did that, too, but they mostly looked like humans, which are technically animals, but whatever. Also Pretenders were still giant. There were also smaller human-sized Transformers called Micromasters, but they weren't Pretenders. So anyway, in Beast Wars, the good guys are called Maximals, not Autobots, and lead by Optimus Primal, a gorilla, not Optimus Prime. But actually Optimus Primal's first toy was a bat, not a gorilla, but that isn't in the cartoon. I guess the toy continuity where he's a bat is a micro-continuity. The bad guys are called the Predacons, not the Decepticons, and they're lead by Megatron. But the story never has him mention that he previously turned into a gun and fought Prime, so presumably he's a different Megatron. Also there was a group of Decepticons called Predacons in the original, and they turned into animals (but robotic looking giant animals). But now they're all called Predacons. Turns out that when making Season 1 they weren't sure if they wanted this to be a reboot or not. At the end of Season 1, they decided that this was a sequel to the original Transformers, after the energy crisis back on Cybertron (which the war in the original series was about) resulted in them having to downsize, becoming animal sized rather than vehicle sized. They justify this by saying it used advancements in Pretender and Micromaster technology. Optimus and Megatron are named after the originals. The Predacons are merely the most successful Decepticon faction, and the same with the Maximals being the most successful Autobot faction. But the show takes place in a pre-historic world, with cavemen around. Turns out Megatron got a message that the original Megatron hid on the Voyager Golden Disc (from real life) telling his successors about a wormhole near Earth that would let them go back in time and arrive in the middle of the four million years when the Autobots and Decepticons were crashed unconscious on Earth. Megatron's real goal is to kill the original Autobots before they wake up. So they actually meet the original characters, including some who survived the original series and come back in time from the future. This includes Starscream's immortal ghost, which is only from the cartoon, but also an intelligent Ravage, who is only intelligent in the comics. So Beast Wars is a sequel to the original series. But which one? It's both. You're just supposed to squint and figure both the comics and cartoons are canon, even though they have some very big differences, such as Unicron's origin (Beast Wars references Unicron's comic origin, though). Now, there's also the UK and Japan exclusive stuff. The creators of Beast Wars probably didn't even know about the Japanese stuff, but they brought in Transformers UK writer (who was promoted to main comic writer), Simon Furman, to write the final arc, which was full of deep references and continuity.

But meanwhile, between Seasons 1 and 2, and 2 and 3, Japan made their own Beast Wars anime, called Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo, which are about different characters but still supposed to be in the same continuity. At the same time, there were official Transformers fan conventions, and they started giving out new stories, both in comic form and prose form. These mostly slotted in between episodes of Beast Wars, but actually had continuing stories that you'd only get if you went to the con multiple years in a row. But very importantly, there was one (prose) story, called Convergence, which was only given out at an unofficial Transformers convention, so Hasbro doesn't consider it canon, but it was written by Simon Furman, so the fans do consider it canon. Convergence essentially fills in the gap between Generation 2 and Beast Wars, finishing up the plot points that Furman didn't get to finish when Gen 2 was cancelled, but wrapping up the stories of many G1 characters, and setting the stage for Beast Wars. So it's arguably one of the most important Transformers stories, but it's a prose story (dozens of pages long) that was only given out at one unofficial Transformers convention in the '90s. After Beast Wars, they continued with a cartoon called Beast Machines, which was really just Beast Wars seasons 4 and 5. It continues immediately after. It wraps up the whole story and at the end, feels like a pretty good ending for all of Transformers. But it wasn't intended to be. Hasbro was going to do a series called Transtech, where the original Optimus Prime comes back and teams up with characters who survived Beast Machines, but this never ended up getting released. Beast Machines wasn't released in Japan. Instead they did a series called Transformers: Car Robots, which was set in the present (so around the year 2000), but the same continuity. It had new characters. Instead of Optimus Prime (called Convoy in Japan) they had Fire Convoy, who looks like Optimus but isn't. Also the bad guy is called Gigatron. This was only one season. But after Beast Machined ended in the US, and Transtech was cancelled, Hasbro decided to just dub Car Robots. They called it Robots in Disguise, and it was just a reboot. Fire Convoy was called Optimus Prime and Gigatron was called Megatron. This is the first actual reboot in the whole franchise. Up until now, you could sort of squint and pretend everything was one continuity. The original cartoon and comic made that hard, but that was explicitly what you were supposed to do when watching Beast Wars. The UK and Japan stuff could still mostly fit, if you squint. After this, Japan did three more anime, and these were dubbed in the US as "The Unicron Trilogy," because they were a shared continuity, even though in Japan they seemed to contradict each other. However, Takara (the company that runs Transformers in Japan) claims they were always meant to be one continuity. In fact, later stuff from Takara says that these were still in continuity with the original series, there was no reboot. But this is fucking bullshit. They claim that even the live action movies are in the same universe as the original cartoon. But meanwhile, the conventions were still putting out comics and prose that actually did continue on after Beast Machines. There were only a few of these stories, but eventually one crossed over with the Unicron Trilogy. In these comics, they established that there was only one Unicron throughout the multiverse, which was extra weird because the original cartoon gave him a totally different origin. But whatever. Now everyone from every universe (even though there should only be maybe three universes by this point) is crossing over to fight Unicron. So the final story in the original Transformers continuity is the ghost of Optimus Primal getting recruited by guys from the Unicron Trilogy to fight in this war, and then the story just follows those guys and we never see anyone from the original continuity ever again. After the Unicron Trilogy the first live action Transformers movie came out. New continuity. Then they did a series called Transformers: Animated, also a new continuity. Meanwhile there were new comics. There were ones based on Robots in Disguise and the Unicron Trilogy, and you could sort of pretend they were in those universes, but then they started a brand new comic continuity at IDW comics, and it was largely written by Simon Furman. So now there are three totally separate continuities at the same time. Eventually they released a big video game called Transformers: War For Cybertron, and this was a big success. They then did a TV show called Transformers: Prime, and said that it was the same continuity as War for Cybertron, even though it sure didn't seem like it. But they said everything from now on would be one continuity, the "Aligned Continuity," they called it. Well, everything except the live action movies, and the IDW comics. The vidya sequel, Fall of Cybertron, also did very well. But then they got cocky. The movies were making tons of money, and the video games were making tons of money. Let's cross them over. Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark had the Aligned Continuity meet the movie continuity. It fucked things up so bad that not only did the game bomb, but they had to do a comic story explaining that actually there wasn't just one Unicron in every continuity before, because that crossover really made it not make sense. So they had to do a big DC Comics crisis-style thing to change the nature of the multiverse. That was the end of the aligned continuity, though Transformers: Prime continued and had a sequel series, called Robots In Disguise. Now there are two series called Robots In Disguise. But okay, the IDW comics were still going on, and doing very well. IDW also had the GI Joe license. Remember how I said GI Joe still continued with its original continuity? How does that work when it crosses over with two different Transformers continuities? I don't know enough about GI Joe to tell you. But anyway Hasbro went all in and gave IDW rights to all their stuff, so they had My Little Pony, and Jem and the Holograms, and a zillion other forgotten toys from the '80s. They wanted to do a Hasbro shared universe. Do it first in the comics, then adapt it to movies and get some of that MCU money. The Transformers movies were still making money. Two GI Joe movies underperformed, and Jem and the Holograms bombed, but Hasbro wasn't going to let that deter them. But by this point comics were going full SJW, and IDW evidently was even worse than the others. GI Joe was written by a guy named Aubrey Sitterson. Now, Hasbro sat there while the creators at IDW bragged about deliberately making the covers of GI Joe issues softcore gay porn. They let it slide when they introduced a transsexual transformer named Windblade (Trannyformers: Faggots In Disguise). But the line was crossed when GI Joe writer Aubrey Sitterson tweeted on 9/11 that you shouldn't mourn 9/11 unless you were in lower Manhattan when it happened. This guy wrote GI Joe comics, a product bought near exclusively by middle aged patriotic dudes. So IDW demanded he be fired. But for some reason, instead of firing him, the co-founder and CEO of IDW forced a secretary to let Sitterson use her name as a pen name and pretend she was writing, so Hasbro wouldn't know it was still him. Eventually this got out and Hasbro lost their shit. IDW lost the Hasbro license, which made up a very big chunk of their output. Keep in mind, IDW gets by almost exclusively on licensed comics, and Transformers, GI Joe, and My Little Pony were some of their biggest. They had multiple monthly series of each. Lucky for them they still had things like Ninja Turtles and Sonic the Hedgehog, but they went full tranny with Ninja Turtles, resulting in sales tanking, and while Sonic isn't fully gay yet, IDW has had to cut back from two Sonic comics a month to only one. Right now they're doing two Sonic comics, but the second is a DC Comics/Sonic crossover, so I doubt they'll continue with two Sonic-only comics per month, which Sonic comics used to do since like 2005. And that's where I stopped paying attention to Transformers comics. I assume there are new ones but I don't know. But since then, they said they rebooted the movie series, but they only said that after they already started making a movie. So the Bumblebee movie is like half old continuity and half new continuity. And now they did an animated movie called Transformers One, which I hear is good, but after like ten terrible Transformers movies I couldn't be bothered to watch it yet. Is it supposed to be a prequel to Bumblebee, or is it just a new continuity? I don't know. >>1543309 It would be less gay If you did it as haiku But you're too stupid.

>>1542930 I played some of the old beat'em ups years ago, I had been hoping you knew of recent games that weren't shit but I guess I should not have gotten my hopes up.

>>1543759 >recent games that weren't shit There is no such thing, in any genre.

>>1543493 >Hitting Quick Reply doesn't force you to press Enter after every sentence. It's a perception thing. The initial quick reply text box is rather small that even three sentences looks like a wall of text, even though the actual post would be just a single line. So he's overcorrecting it and it looks like some reddit formatting as a result. >but they went full tranny with Ninja Turtles Do I even want to know?

>>1544966 >overcorrecting Paragraphs aren't about how big it looks on the page, they're about topic. He's still a retard that doesn't know how to write. >Do I even want to know? The main artist turned into a tranny. IDW TMNT was absolutely excellent when it started, but once this tranny started running his mouth, he was given more and more control over time. Introduced a furry foxgirl, eventually has to make clear it's actually a boy that just pretends to be a girl, but still has a romance with Michaelangelo. They have whole tranny pride covers and stuff (but so do the other companies). I gave up reading it eventually but I recall many further instances that were a lot worse. You'd have to look them up yourself, though, because IDW TMNT was my favorite comic, and I couldn't bear to look at how they massacred my boys.

>>1545198 >Introduced a furry foxgirl, eventually has to make clear it's actually a boy that just pretends to be a girl, but still has a romance with Michaelangelo. Alopex is a girl, has a romance with Raphael, & wasn't made by the tranny. I expected better from you, comic autist.

>>1545203 It's been almost a decade since I gave up on it. Since then I just hear things through the grapevine. The creators went on Twitter and told people like me (people don't don't want to gay rape children) not to read their work anymore. Who would I be to disobey their orders?

>>1545203 Also, I got Alopex confused with this thing. I never liked Alopex but I've read plenty of her issues. This thing, admittedly, is after I stopped reading. It confirmed that I did the right thing.

>>1543495 Im surprised IDW is still running, they're losing a lot of IP and the quality has been abysmal. >>1543217 They blame the actor's strike but in reality they ran oit of ideas since the first film.

>>1545407 Yes now that is the tranny's self insert OC just renamed & paired with a literal lesbian pig. Once she was introduced in the comics, right after they finally defeated Shredder, the series went downhill with no return. There's barely even a plot anymore with how they've wasted time even doing anything with the Rat King & the deities fighting each other.

Why ``did`` games like the older Spidermans and Prototype/Infamous fall out of favor? I don't really recall anything going especially wrong (Prototype 2 shouldn't have existed in the form it did but it wasn't kill a genre bad) and they definitely didn't squeeze all the potential out of the formula so I can only guess that it was an other things picking up steam and just overshadowing these situation.

>>1545818 There are new Spider-Man games coming out, which are ostensibly in the style of Spider-Man 2. Only Spider-Man 2 wasn't about how Peter sucks for being white, and Miles is a better Spider-Man because he's black. Spider-Man 2 didn't have Peter be a ridiculous soyboy (you might think he was a soyboy, but modern Spidey makes Toby MacGuire looks like Bonesaw), and doesn't go out of its way to make all the female characters, including Mary Jane, into uggos that don't resemble anything from the comics or movies. But if you can look past all of that, you can play the new Spider-Man 2 and swing around an open world. It's the same thing, right?

>>1545835 Nah, the nu-Spidermans also have sub-par gameplay. Much of it is phoned in and only appears to hold similarities to the classics. They do keep some parts of the old gameplay loops around (mostly in the traversal because even normalfags remember that being an important part of it) but the rot is definitely not limited to the narrative.

>>1543197 Marvel comics is unironically a place where >character starts balding then turning into an alien horse >character who was a kid in WW2 shows up out of nowhere even though a 20 year old comic established he died not long after the war >the writer who introduced that was incompetent and running the series into the ground so the original team comes back for an extended finale and has to fix this shit >so it turns out the guy turning into a horse was actually just kidnapped and replaced with a now malfunctioning robotic duplicate by an evil brain in a computer that was originally the (already introduced and plot central) alien horse species so alien horse is just >everyone ignores the misplaced old guy and has literally never mentioned him again in 40+ years actually ranks pretty low in terms of continuity mess. Didn't they plan to make a big thing out of killing Mysterio only to accidentally print him in another comic less than a month afterwards so they had to write the whole thing off as a fake out (instead of just claiming it took place slightly earlier)?

>>1545819 >If you point out that things Frank likes are also SJW, he'll get mad and tell you to go to /pol/. You butted heads over Avatar the Last Airbender, it's equivalent to telling Mark Metroid is actually SJW propaganda because Samus is a woman.

Gays, please refrain from discussing /co/ and other meta autism. I don't want this perfectly good discussion ruined by unrelated autism. Thank you With that being said, I hope Insomniac Wolverine is canned or that they at least got rid of that god awful combat camera. While I'm not expecting it to be a good game based off what we know, I'm at the very least expecting them to try and push it out and sell a ton, but I really hope they don't.

>>1546003 I'm less autistic for Marvel. I'm only very familiar with them up to the '70s or early '80s. I assume the alien horse is Beta Ray Bill and the kid from WWII is Bucky Barnes. But Bucky is still alive in modern comics now, right? Or was this a previous time they tried to bring him back, only to backpedal on it later? The most interesting stuff I know about Mysterio is that in an issue from the early '80s they establish that Quentin Beck was one of The Tinkerer's minions in Amazing Spider-Man #2. That was kind of cool. (I have read every Spider-Man story up to the early '80s, so I appreciated that one.) Also at one point they revealed Ultimate Mysterio was actually 616 Mysterio who now had dimension-hopping tech and was just operating as a similar guy with a different history in the Ultimate Universe the entire time. >>1546015 Samus is a woman because Metroid is ripping off Aliens big time. Maybe you could claim Aliens is feminist, but it isn't quite as over the top with it. But yes, now that I'm thinking about it, I would say it is. Not because Ripley is a woman, because at least the movie does stuff with themes of motherhood, and she isn't just a woman for the sake of saying women are tough. On the other hand, the way some of the supporting characters act (like that butch lesbian latina, played by a jewess, and how she makes Bill Pullman's character look like a bitch) is enough to make me say that yes, the movie is a bit SJW. The pozz would then grow, with Alien Cubed being a lot more SJW (but at least the final act is pretty good). Metroid itself, though, isn't really pozzed. It's just blatantly ripping off a big blockbuster movie, which is itself a bit pozzed. I think James Cameron intended the pozz, but the guys at Nintendo did not. But Avatar is decades later. The pozz had about 17 years to get stronger and stronger. Those two guys who made that show intended the pozz and they put it in very blatantly. And then a few years later, they felt bolder (or perhaps we could say the pozz felt bolder to act through them), and we got Korra. Really, nobody should have been that surprised. It's the same with superhero comics. I love them, but the pozz developed slowly over time, and now it's tough to go back to earlier stuff I enjoy and pretend I don't see the infection starting. There are stories about Spidey and JJJ getting involved in the Civil Rights Movement. The Prowler (the first character created by now very famous artist John Romita, Jr.) is a supervillain but it's okay because he's black and really only did it because of oppression. Jack Kirby invented Black Panther basically so The Fantastic Four could have some black friends. He's the equivalent of Lionel Jefferson on All In The Family. Black Panther and Wakanda is also a blatant ripoff of Gorilla City from The Flash, which is hilarious. But I suppose you could say even Gorilla City was an attempt to be progressive, as far as super old dudes writing comics in the late '50s went. So do I love when The Flash fights Gorilla Grodd? Yes. But in retrospect, it was an early infection point for a disease which would eventually destroy The Flash. Gorilla Grodd eventually contributed to Wally West having his history erased so he could be replaced with a black kid. >>1546040 The question is if Sony will get tired of dumping zillions of dollars into Insomniac's projects, which aren't making the same levels of returns that they used to get. Didn't Spider-Man 2 (the new one) have one of the biggest budgets of all time?

>>1546040 This is all related & goes hand in hand with the games. Especially as more keep referencing the bad modern material. I do concede we should keep it more about the games then work from there though.

>>1546065 Yeah, Spider-Man 2 PS5 cost Sony 400 million dollars to make despite already having premade assets from the PS4 game, which is fucking insane.

>>1546055 No, that's Power Pack's Kymellians, and the kid was Thomas Raymond (the original, not human, Human Torch's sidekick). Go read the original run of Power Pack to end of 52 (+maybe 55 because it's a decently written fill in issue by Dwayne McDuffie) and the Holiday Special. It's actually pretty good till that handover and actually fairly dark for the main characters. I have no idea how the replacement team fucked up as bad as they did, but everything went so far down the shitter after that it had an 11 year old girl consistently looked older than her own mom.

>>1546003 *so "alien horse" is just the "default" shape of his creations and what it became when it started malfunctioning

>>1539217 >MMOs are perfect for Superheros Its more, companies forgot how to actually maintain a game/community. Capeshit has infinite routes whether serious or funny, it all depends on the talents hired to write it all. >>1543064 >at least Transformers could take itself serious Oh boy then you shouldn't see the more recent animated shows. >>1545879 The parkcore elements are becoming to heavy handed. Half of the time your sprinting on buildings than swinging on webs.

>>1543197 And for all its schizophrenia, Digimon lore still makes more sense than Kingdom Hearts.

>>1546162 Don't worry he'll get replaced by a similar mutant alien horse from a neighboring parallel universe. He's younger and still in high school too.

>>1546080 I'm sure they are resorting to Holywood accounting shenanigans

>>1546441 To a degree, but also development cycles are taking longer and longer, and teams are getting more and more bloated with Affirmative Action hires that don't actually doing any work. Plus, they get outright blackmailed by companies like SweetBaby Inc., so there's a huge chunk of change down the drain, all so they can then tell the devs to waste even more money. And also money laundering.

>>1546299 >Oh boy then you shouldn't see the more recent animated shows. I think I watched 1 or 2 episodes of the original with my cousin and like 1 episode of Armada. I never liked it, I don't like autonomous machines, if the mech suit/giant robot isn't being piloted then I think it's faggot shit.

>>1546712 The Transformers are aliens. It doesn't even really matter that they're machines. They just disguise themselves as machines. They're a race of giant metal kaiju.

>>1546055 >I love them, but the pozz developed slowly over time, and now it's tough to go back to earlier stuff I enjoy and pretend I don't see the infection starting Don't forget about the comic of superman capturing hitler and stalin to so the UN can charge them with warcrimes. In 1940. While the war was going on. The response from gobbles is probably the reason why DC they didn't bother doing anything directly related to WWII beyond special covers.

>>1546797 Really? I thought I had read every Superman comic from 1940. I know I've read every issue from Action Comics, Superman, and World's Finest up through the early '40s. Would you be able to find what issue that story was in? Also, the UN didn't exist in 1940. Are you sure this isn't a later story from All-Star Squadron or something? In the '80s they did a series with all the superheroes set in World War II.

>>1546772 Transformer's were made by an organic humanoid species. Meaning they're probably anatomically correct if you were willing to explore a relation with one.

>>1548270 There's a semi-active clang thread on >>>/vb/4166. It's mostly for vidya characters, but that should be more than enough metal material

>>1548270 >Transformer's were made by an organic humanoid species. No they weren't. Transformers were created by the Quintessons.

>>1548383 I know. >>1548660 So what?

>>1548704 So you're wrong.

>>1548270 The Quintessons aren't humanoid. Also in a lot of later versions (and the original comics), the Quintessons didn't really create the Transformers, they were just spawned by Primus. But that's stupid. The Quintessons are too iconic to take away their main feature. If anything they should just say that the Quintessons arrived on Cybertron and Primus subtly influenced them so that they would create the Transformers, so it was his plan all along. But I don't think any continuity says that. But back to your point, the Beast Wars characters should have functioning genitals, but only in Beast Mode. Still, there's a whole episode in Season 1 about Rhinox having explosive diarrhea, so their Beast Modes seem to function like the animals they're copying. But most importantly, Blackarachnia's Beast Mode spider-mouth goes between her legs in robot mode. They don't animate it, but clearly she has a pussy in Robot Mode. But actually it's a spider-mouth. Also, in the convention exclusive post-Beast Machines stories, turns out Arcee was still alive the whole time, but she turned herself into a spider and hid away in a cave for hundreds of years after Daniel Witwicky got killed. It really comes off as having /ss/ vibes. The story is in prose, so you don't get to see what she looks like, but the whole reason they made the story was so to promote a new Arcee toy, which was just a recolor of Transmetal 2 Blackarachnia, so clearly that's what she's supposed to look like in the story. Therefore, Arcee lusts for her dead shota, and probably has something resembling a pussy in robot mode, but actually it's a spider-mouth.

>>1546624 Yeah, the industry is just throwing money at retards for the dumbest shit.

>>1548660 Transformers were created by humans.

>>1549172 The earliest version of the Transformers story was written by Jim Shooter (who died like a week ago. RIP), but the transforming robot toys were created by a bunch of Japanese. We all know the Japanese aren't human, they're alien moon men.

>>1549172 Technically that's only canon for one of them now (and not even her depending on the continuity)

>>1549172 Don't get meta on me.

Why did a capeshit thread start talking about transformers?

>>1648267 There was supposed to be a DC/Transformers crossover comic at some point, apparently would have had a transformer that turned into the Batmobile.

>>1648270 >a transformer that turned into the Batmobile Peak cancer.

>>1648270 >Batmobile transformer 10 year old me would have fucking loved that.

>>1648267 Transformers is basically capeshit. It's not so different from other comics about large teams of characters, like say X-Men or Avengers. And it's nearly as confusing. The whole story of it literally started as a Marvel comic, and it shows.

I want a good vidya where I can play as Power Girl.

>>1650144 Mods are probably your best bet. Powergirl is in injustice 2 as a skin, but that game is bad. She’s also in a DC mmo. Tangent: It never ceases to amaze me how comical wonder woman’s origins are from a meta perspective. Some pseudo-intellectual thinks men need dommy mommies so he makes a comic about it. I wonder how women would feel if they knew the most famous female superhero of all time was some guy’s fetish bait. Jewgle it if you don’t believe me.

>>1650236 The first "woman" superhero was Madame Fatal, a character whose power is that he was actually a man and only dressed up as a woman because then bad guys would never suspect him as being a threat so he could just walk right up to them, then knock them out with man-strength punches. I once took a "History of Comics" class in college and pointed this out to the SJW professor. He was very mad that he was cornered because he couldn't say that it wasn't a "real woman," even though obviously everyone knows it was a man, and the story is basically about that. He had to pretend he liked it. Anyway, in some '90s JSA comics they said that Madame Fatal had died of old age, and that it's unfortunate that he's now a laughing stock whose grave is only visited by gays who don't actually care about him. The first actual woman superhero was Red Tornado, premiering about six months after Madame Fatal. She was a comedy character, a fat middle aged mom who, inspired by her son's love of Green Lantern, dressed up in a shoddy homemade costume and bumbled around, sometimes actually managing to foil villains. For all her comedy, though, she was a founding member of the Justice Society of America, but basically just as a comedic cameo. I don't think she actually helped them out in any of their original adventures, though I'm sure they retconned her into being actually a badass in the '80s or later. Her secret identity, Ma Hunkel, actually predated Madame Fatal by about a year as a supporting character in a comedy comic, but she didn't become a superhero until a bit later. Despite Ma Hunkel actually being a pretty well liked character among fans, feminists refuse to acknowledge her as the first female superhero. She's not an uber famous character that casuals know, and they probably consider her bumbling to be sexist, even though it's not like comedically bumbling around is a female stereotype, it's a fat person stereotype, and that's the joke they were doing. But she's a well liked character by fans because not only is she kind of funny, and real fans love comics history, but also she is actually a good person who loves her family and just wants to make her son happy and also help people out. She's not some pompous piece of political propaganda, she's an everyman, and that's what makes her endearing. In the '60s, DC would do a Justice League story where a robot claiming to be The Red Tornado shows up at the Justice Society HQ, and since nobody actually knew the Red Tornado's secret identity, they aren't really sure what's going on, but don't immediately dismiss the idea, despite the fact that the original Red Tornado was a big fat person with no powers (but with breasts, but I'm not sure if everyone just figured those were fat guy moobs), and the new Red Tornado is a sleek red robot with tornado powers. It's a weird world, so maybe The Red Tornado had some crazy adventures that turned her into a robot. Turns out the new Red Tornado was a spy created by previous Justice League villain Professor T.O. Morrow. Morrow lived on Earth-One, and I'm not sure how he learned about, let alone learned how to travel to, Earth-Two, but he's a smart guy, so he made a machine to do it. He deliberately called the thing Red Tornado so it could pass itself off as the previous Red Tornado, even though they had nothing in common. But the robot was actually sentient and became a good guy instead, joining the Justice Society for real. Not terribly long after, it was revealed that this Red Tornado was actually inhabited by a different previous Adam Strange/Justice League villain, a red wind spirit called The Tornado Tyrant. So originally this guy named Ulthoon, The Tornado Tyrant, with a flying machine that made tornadoes showed up to conquer Adam Strange's adopted homeworld of Rann. He was defeated, but kept an eye on Strange, and eventually saw him team up with the Justice League to fight space pirate Kanjar Ro. Inspired by the Justice League's heroics, he became good and called himself The Tornado Champion, but he was still kind of crazy, so he also split himself in two, with the villainous half still being the Tornado Tyrant, so the Champion would have someone to fight. But then he defeated his evil self and became a good guy. And then somehow T.O. Morrow captured this spirit and put it in his robot, which is how the Red Tornado robot has tornado powers. Decades after this they'd start running with the idea that Ulthoon is the spirit's real name, and originally he did have a body and was the prince of an alien planet or something, and also he's a Wind Elemental, so basically a god of wind. And somehow, despite the extreme autism of comics which have managed to connect things like the modern-day Aladdin Green Lantern of Earth-Two to the spacecop Green Lantern Corps of Earth-One, or the reincarnated pharaoh Hawkman of Earth-Two to the alien spacecop of Earth-One (but he's not a cop of space, like Green Lantern, he's just a cop from space), I don't think they ever actually bothered to connect Ma Hunkel to Ulthoon in any way, beyond T.O. Morrow figuring he could steal her superhero name and somehow pass off a totally different being as being the same character. Maybe they have and I missed it, because it's not like she never appeared again, but it didn't become a big part of lore or anything, since the appeal of Ma Hunkel is that she's an everyman. Anyway both these characters predate Wonder Woman and are more interesting. Wonder Woman is lame and the closest they've ever gotten to making her interesting is by using her as an excuse to tell stories about the Greek Gods, but even that is never done as well as when Thor is used to tell stories about the Norse Gods, for example, because Wonder Woman is constantly hamstrung by the need to represent feminism, and therefore isn't allowed to have character flaws, face significant challenges, or basically do anything that is required to tell a good story. People will say these things about Superman, but they just don't read Superman stories. They really apply to Wonder Woman stories, though. The few stories that do make Wonder Woman somewhat interesting get DC a bunch of feminists complaining on Twitter, so they don't get to do them often at all.

>>1650555 WW comics also character-assassinated Hercules because feminism.

>>1650555 >Ma Hunkel I'm pretty sure she was in Kingdom Come, in a more advanced powered armor. Or possibly it was one of her kids.

>>1650573 DC Hercules is very confusing. Though he's a Wonder Woman villain, due to Wonder Woman's mom being Hippolyta from Greek mythology (and treated as a good guy, since she's Wonder Woman's mom), he's a hero in the post-apocalyptic future that follows "The Great Disaster," which is basically a nuclear WWIII that takes place in late 1986. Note that's immediately after The Crisis on Infinite Earths happens, but all these stories came out years or decades earlier. Clearly it was meant to be the canon future at a point, and you could sort of even justify it not being that by saying that The Crisis on Infinite Earths changed history (which it did). But anyway The Great Disaster timeline includes multiple series, like The Atomic Knights, a group of dudes who found medieval knight armor which happened to be made of just the right alloy to protect them from nuclear radiation so they could go out and help people in this fucked up world. Later, after the world has slightly started to heal, there is a series called Hercules Unbound, where he is freed from imprisonment to find the world very different from the one he knows, and then he goes around doing superhero stuff. You could almost convince yourself he was imprisoned due to his villainy in Wonder Woman stories, but there's a significant caveat to that, which I'll get to later. The most famous series in this future, though, is Kamandi: The Last Boy On Earth. See, Jack Kirby quit Marvel due to lack of creative control, as they wouldn't let him finish his Thor story and do Ragnarok, as it would have involved killing off all the Gods, who were popular and marketable characters. So he was headhunted by DC instead, as they promised him he could tell his epic Fourth World Saga, which was blatantly his way of finishing ideas he started but didn't get to finish in Thor. They lied. They cancelled all his Fourth World shit and didn't let him finish it because it would have involved killing off all the Gods, who were popular and marketable characters. But he was still under contract to DC, and Planet of the Apes was very popular at the time, so they forced him to make a ripoff series. That series was called Kamandi, The Last Boy On Earth, which was basically Planet of the Tigers (and other animals, but not many apes, even though there were many superintelligent apes, including a whole Gorilla City, in present-day DC Comics). Since this was Jack Kirby, it was still pretty good, and is still a classic. So later stories set in post-apocalyptic futures tried to give hints that they were set in the same future as Kamandi, though usually before it (since Kamandi is "the last boy.") Anyway, the caveat with this Hercules being the one from Wonder Woman stories is that his backstory says he was imprisoned since mythological times, not since the present, when he would have been fighting Wonder Woman. Also, in the '80s, they did a story where the lead Atomic Knight, Gardener Grayle, woke up, revealing that the entire timeline was just a dream. Also there was a story where Superman went to this future and they said it was an alternate universe, but again that was long after most of these stories were published. Later, after Infinite Crisis restored the Multiverse, this future again existed but as an alternate universe, but also there are tons of hints in the main timeline about Kamandi still existing in the main timeline future. However, there are two futures, and in the other future the guy who would have been Kamandi instead becomes Buddy Blank, AKA the original OMAC (One Man Army Corps, basically a cyborg), which is another series created by Jack Kirby around the same time in the '70s. Well, he's the original OMAC in publication order. In chronological order OMACs first appeared in the mid-2000s when Batman got and wanted to take precautions just in case the Justice League turned evil, so he made a superintelligent spy satellite called Brother Eye, which he gave all the secret info of the whole Justice League. Brother Eye was also in the original OMAC series from the '70s, but they didn't say it was made by Batman, and it wasn't evil. Because obviously Brother Eye becomes evil, because former Justice League owner/manager Maxwell Lord (who is a blatant Donald Trump parody, but '80s Trump, so he was still a good guy) also became scared of the possibility of the Justice League turning evil, so he hacked Brother Eye and used it to turn a bunch of people into OMACs, only now they didn't have free will and went around wrecking shit. But a couple end up getting Free Will over the years and become good guys. Also Maxwell Lord had developed mind control powers and used them to make Superman fight Wonder Woman, and since Wonder Woman is a warrior, she just solved the problem by snapping Lord's neck. But Lord broadcast the battle on live TV, so everyone saw Wonder Woman do it and didn't trust her anymore. Turns out all of this was actually being manipulated by Alexander Luthor, Jr. of Earth-Three, who was a hero in the Crisis on Infinite Earths but was now mad that his world was dead and the new world kinda sucked. It all went just like keikaku, and this led to Infinite Crisis, when he tried to recreate the multiverse by destroying the main universe, resulting in every superhero in the universe having to fight him and his Secret Society of Supervillains. Ruining the public's trust in the three most famous and influential superheroes was a big part of his plan. Anyway it didn't work, and then after he was defeated, The Joker killed him because Alex didn't invite him to join the Secret Society, because he's too unpredictable. Anyway after all that Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman took a year off, because Batman and Wonder Woman felt they had done some bad stuff and needed to reevaluate things (even though Lord kind of had it coming). Superman was mind controlled, so he probably shouldn't have felt that bad, but he also lost his powers for a year when he and Superman of Earth-Two (the original Superman from Action Comics #1) flew Superboy-Prime through Rao, the Red Sun of Krypton, so he would lose his powers and could be defeated. Of course this also resulted in the two good Supermen losing their powers (and the original Superman actually died). So he didn't have powers for a year, so he also took the year off. So anyway this is all why that horrible movie, Wonder Woman 1984, has Maxwell Lord as the villain. Because even though they only really have this one meaningful interaction, it's one of the most memorable Wonder Woman moments, because she doesn't really have many memorable moments. And of course Maxwell Lord sucks if you don't have previous stories where he's actually a good guy so you can build up his character and make it a twist when he turns. Really the best part of the whole story isn't even anything I mentioned, it's when Blue Beetle fights Maxwell Lord. But it was one of the white Blue Beetles, so when they did the Blue Beetle movie they just skipped over that character and moved on to his successor, who is Mexican, even though a big part of what makes that guy interesting is the Blue Beetle legacy, which now doesn't exist in the movie. Also, in Wonder Woman 1984, since the first was set in WWI for some reason (Wonder Woman had previous WWII stories, but no WWI stories. Superheroes didn't even exist in WWI), they had the ghost of her love interest, Steve Trevor, possess some guy in the '80s, and then they bone. So Wonder Woman raped some dude in 1984. And then that would make it so Maxwell Lord couldn't exist in the present and do all the Justice League International stories that he's actually important in. But well that movie sucked so hard they rebooted the whole universe, and the new Superman movie has a new Maxwell Lord, but I'm sure they'll ruin him too.

>>1650555 >"History of Comics" class in college First, that explains sooooo much. Second, why? Why does it exist? Why would someone take it? Is it even credit towards a degree? I get it's been over 80 years but come on.

>>1648267 >>1649108 Also Rom Spaceknight

>>1650700 It counted as an elective credit, so it did help me get my degree, and I figured it would be easy because I was already mega autistic for comics. It wasn't easy, because I was much more knowledgeable than the professor, and it was way too hard to hide my power level. Here are some other things that pissed me off. >He didn't know who Dan DeCarlo was (he's the artist everyone thinks of when they think of Archie. He is the guy whose style is now completely associated with those characters). >He said Supergirl was sexist because they call her a girl and not a woman, because he didn't know that Supergirl is literally a child, like Superboy. (I should have told him that the actual character called Superwoman is a villain. He would have lost his shit.) >He never heard of Madame Fatal or The Red Tornado, and spent an entire three hour class on how Wonder Woman was the first female superhero. >He never heard of The Spectre. (He went on and on about a hipster indie comic called Jimmy Corrigan: The Smartest Boy On Earth, but had no idea what I was talking about when I pointed out that Jim Corrigan is also the secret identity of The Spectre, a major character created by the same guys who made Superman, still featured prominently to this day. Keep in mind this is a class where the point was coming up with every possible association possible, because we were "deep reading." So we were supposed to analyze Little Orphan Annie's dress color in some random Sunday strip from the '40s, because it was red, so clearly that was a communist reference to clash against the capitalism of Daddy Warbucks. But no, it's crazy to think that a guy who makes comics for a living naming his book the same name as a character made by the guys who made Superman might have had some sort of connection). >He never heard of Flex Mentallo or even Charles Atlas, who was just a real guy. But he went on and on about female body image, so I tried to point out the classic Charles Atlas comic ad that did everything he said female characters did to women's psychology, but to men, and explicitly, and how it was famous enough to inspire a very acclaimed and popular work like Flex Mentallo. You'd think a hipster like him would at least know the works of Grant Morrison. >Got mad at The Dark Knight Returns because it's basically about how stupid libs called Batman fascist and helped bring about the basically post-apocalyptic Gotham City in the story (which was really just present-day '80s New York). He was mad because clearly Batman is a fascist. Anyway the course wasn't supposed to be a history of in-universe shit like I like talking about, but about the evolution of the medium. Art History. But any class where you analyze art expects you to be autistic about the medium so that you can understand allusions, and comics are absolutely full of allusions, so you kind of need to know in-universe shit to really understand things. But the fact that he didn't know the very basics of Supergirl didn't stop him from complaining about her. And he didn't even know out of universe stuff if he never even heard of Dan DeCarlo, who might have a claim to the most imitated comic artist ever. The stuff I know you can't learn from a single semester at a school. It takes years of autism. Though honestly I had only been really into comics for two or three years by the time I took this course, and I still knew way more than the professor. The guy was just there to push his ideology, like practically all college professors.

>>1650729 >didn't know who the Spectre is What kind of surface level fuckstick was this "professor"? Actually it was probably for the best. He would have not have coped well with a heroic character that is the avenging wrath of God with a big G.