>>1540204 Finarry. >>Relevant links: You forgot one. https://keepkillinggames.com/

>>1540226 I have a question: if instead the proposition of deregulation is preferable, like offering corporations tax breaks for providing the means for consumers to run their own private servers, how do you propose we do that? Because Ross and his contacts in the EU government figured out how to propose regulation with a reasonable chance of success, despite your blackpilling. Assuming that you also want games to be preserved, what's your proposal? And in what country? The US? The EU? Australia? Asia? What's the plan man? Because I've not heard a single specific argument out of anyone against this here about why this would be bad except >MAYBE the european government would somehow mandate that ALL games be live service for some reason? which is still as retarded as when you first said it. So I ask again, as I did the first time: what the FUCK is YOUR idea? And no, "just don't buy it" doesn't cut it, in this case.

Closing out the current US night with stats as of 11:49 EST. >Current Signatures: >1,214,954

>>1540226 Without a file hosting intermediary there is no game to download you bloody bitch basterd. Buying game licenses is not the issue. You bought those before. What's the issue now? Also, someone brought up buying games on disk for PC last thread. That's unfeasible today when with games that do upwards of 50GB just for singeplayer. What complicates this further is game versioning through updates.

>>1540204 >>1540284 I enjoy making fun of europoors, but if something tangible actually comes of all this, I will gladly take it all back.

Now that CDs and DVDs have been phased out, is there anything like a consumer-grade write-once flashdrive or SD card that's supposed to have very high durability? Consumer Blu-rays are also slowly being phased out. Sony has stopped manufacturing consumer-recordable ones last I heard.

This whole thing has gotten me thinking about the legality around digital games and physical games in general. It's not just multiplayer GAAS games that we need to address, but even singleplayer games are constantly at risk. The law constantly states that you don't buy a product when you purchase a video game, but rather a license. And at any time it can be taken away from you.It doesn't matter if you bought it physical, Nintendo or sony can say that your license is revoked and boom! now it's illegal for you to own it or play it. What about online storefronts like GOG? yes you can download the installer so it can't be taken, but from a legal standpoint you don't get to keep it if gog ever goes under, since again the whole dumb license thing prevents you from having a more permanent product, and you rightfully owning the games means nothing if your account is terminated for whatever reason. Obviously, in practice this is all poppycock, since the law ALSO states that games are products and thus can't be arbitrarily restricted or taken from you, but that's why copyright is such a bungled mess. Corporations know it, and abuse it to the fullest. If you don't believe me, look at how Nintendo views emulators. >I want to emulate this game >i cannot download it from the internet, I have to make my own copy >but I can't do this because it circumvents copy protection >also the physical disk could count as DRM, or may contain DRM >assuming you get this far, your ripped copy of the game can't be used for anything, as it's considered an archive copy, not allowed to be modified or touched >and you only get 1 >if your original copy stops working, or is lost or destroyed, your archive copy isn't legally yours anymore since it's on you to prove that the disk is a legitimate copy In short, copyright is a shit show, and SKG is just step one in the battle to reverse all the damage it's done to the creative mediums of the world.

>>1540325 CD Projekt Red said 64GB for the Cyberpunk 2077 Switch 2 port.

Ubisoft updated their EULAs, obviously telling you your games will be summarily executed, either by them or even by forcing you to do it.

>>1540487 See, this is the kind of shit I was talking about here. >>1540337 You legally purchase a game from them, and then they pull this retardation. Now your purchase is a rental/subscription/license, and you can't even keep a backup incase the service shuts down. Granted, I haven't played a Ubisoft game since 2009, but this is a disturbing sentiment regardless.

>>1540487 I haven't bought a Ubishit game since Blood Dragon 12 years ago, holy shit

>>1540487 >you must immediately uninstall the Product and destroy all copies of the Product in Your possession From the same company who also said >gamers must get comfortable not owning games

>>1540532 Honestly, it's like these companies DON'T want to get some extra pocket change by just keeping the game for sale forever, when curious and nostalgic people can just buy your game while you're doing or spending nothing. What is even the point of shutting games down?

>>1540487 Why are they fanning the flames? Are they playing 5D chess or are they just that retarded?

>>1540545 A little of both if I had a guess

>>1540487 >EULA >EU So if the bill that comes out from Stop Killing games makes this a violation they need to change it right

>>1540545 It's betting on their customer's lack of an attention span and resolve. Some people boycott their games until the next Siege skin pack drops.

>>1540687 Why are you being retarded on purpose?

>>1540693 it was a question chill

This whole situation makes me kind of sad knowing the movement was going to fail and only this gay tuber drama stuff saved it from dying. Other people really are the worst and don't believe in anything.

>>1540703 Nomralfags care more about gossip and drama than awareness. Use that to your advantage. Normalfags also prefer to rally against someone they hate instead of rallying for someone they like. Use that to your advantage too.

>>1540703 Herd animal mentality, even you aren't immune to it.

>>1540487 This isn't just anti consumer, it's actually fucking retarded. They might have well just wrote >"Don't purchase our products at all or just pirate them."

>>1540735 >t. normalfag

Everyone, but me is a normalfag!

>>1540226 >Companies HAVE to be transparent in what they're doing, otherwise people don't want to give them money. Wew.

>>1540487 >If you do anything we don't like you give up all rights to the product you paid for and your computer will explode and we get to shoot your dog >Oh, why do gamers hate us so?

>>1540204 >>1540284 So, how does the "verifying signatures" step work? Do they just check if people forgot to add some info and thus void their signature or do they use some other method? Because everyone's talking about the muh 1.5 mil signatures, no one is talking about what exactly constitutes bad ones.

>>1540887 Some EU states require name and ID number(can be found on the ID card) while others require name, date of birth, address and so on(which can also be found on an ID card). Now I could go to the Citizen Initiative and sign it as Jerry Goldstein ID number 120041889691488 and it will count as a signature at first. Now when the deadline is reached, the EU has a database of all the people who live in the EU, at least legally, and can determine if Jerry Goldstein is an actual person or not. Now that there are two types of invalid signatures, those who made a typo, so instead of Jerry, they signed it as Jery, while the other are simply bots. The former, will simply be ignored(Jerry could also try again, and only one of them will be valid, but will at first, count as 2 signatures), while the later could bring Interpol on your ass. At least this is how I assume it all works, as I am sure every single nation in the EU has a database of it's citizens, and they share that database with some EU central authority. Now why don't they say upfront if your signature is valid or not? Probably it's easier to compute everything at the end, and it's also to stop you from guessing the ID number of someone, as in you know his name, and bruteforce the system to figure out his ID.

>>1540487 then they wonder why people keep pirating their games. lmao retarded kikes

>>1540695 Yeah, you're being retarded on purpose. But in case you aren't this is ALREADY ILLEGAL.

>>1540204 >a standard in the EU anybody else notice how those two guys aren't actually unions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_rights it says here that you are supposed to help piratesoftware not that faggot Ross >Workers organized in trade unions exercise the right to collective bargaining to improve working conditions.

>>1541059 >it says here that you are supposed to help piratesoftware not that faggot Ross Why are you here, Maldavius? Surely you have better avenues to samefag.

>"I hope that your initiative gets everything you asked for, but nothing you wanted." I hate to side with him, but... he has somewhat of a point. What if this makes every single AAA videogame into a paid subscription service or something even worse? It's gonna suck real bad if his words turn prophetic.

>>1541171 >usually far smarter than this Naw, they're often very blatant in displaying the mentality I mentioned. The issue is their influence is so vast & invasive they've convinced many to simply accept serfdom as the norm. Look at how cattle-fied the average redditor is from manipulation, censoring & control on that website, then extend that to television, radio, social media, etc. globally, reddit is just a smaller version. And I'll emphasize again that it doesn't take a great intelligence to take hold over institutions, only gatekeeping which any idiot can do. Even pajeets are doing gatekeeping & they're borderline to fully-retarded freaks who roll around in actual shit.

>>1541162 >It also demonstrates their confidence when they continue doing this in the face of the over-one-million petition as though they've already got bribes in place to sway the outcome. Ross dropped a new video. Lobbist group is getting involved & Ubisoft is a member. https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=z5Ay_aOUcFw

Rossmann dropped a vid on the longer statement of the lobbying group giving some advice on what needs to be done https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wCLSCnOw9k >>1541248 Ross seems to only be talking about the shorter statement, not sure if he is aware of the longer one posted in the previous thread which rossman goes over above.

>>1540487 Wanna bet someone is buying ubisoft in the next 5 years?

>>1541252 He did get to it, but chose to not go through the statement because he said he would be repeating the same things again.

>>1540204 Archive of the last thread if anyone needs it later on: https://archive.is/ohJ8L >>1541254 I thought Tencent was already in the process of doing that.

So what does Gabe Newell aka Valve think of all of this

>>1541388 Gabe Newell went blind from eating the south bronx paradise diet bars.

>>1541437 >Did you even read the label? It's South Bronx Parasite!

>>1540487 >this is the ideal outcome for lolberts god i hate bootlickers so much its unreal

>>1541127 >And I'll leave it there. This retard really is a lolcow. Zero self-awareness. He thought this was such an epic mic drop moment. >They "attacked" all of the accomplishments over my life... They "went after" every job I ever held. He's such a low IQ dunning kruger pseud faggot. Doesn't even understand the words he's saying.

I want to help, but I'm too tired to read this or sign the petition.

>>1541587 >He's such a low IQ dunning kruger pseud faggot. Doesn't even understand the words he's saying. I shouldn't have to post a fucking reddit screencap.

Could this affect denuvo?

>>1541708 To my understanding (remember the current language is only the roughest of drafts): Hypothetically if Denuvo is still going when this is finalized, any game released after that that used Denuvo would need to remove it if 1: Denuvo itself stops working entirely (not sure if particular version of Denuvo not working on particular hardware, like the Intel CPU issue that prompted Bandai Namco to remove it from a bunch of games, would count) 2: The game is online only and used Denuvo, then the servers get shut down, so Denuvo removal is needed for the game to function with private servers/direct connection/single player.

>>1541708 it could if they continue to demand internet access, they could always develop an offline encryption system instead

>>1541708 Considering that Denuvo is a service that companies have to keep on paying to use for their released game, it's more likely that they would simply remove it.

>>1540204 Rossman did a live stream about it all. He nailed it with this moment here: >Video game lobby admits that killing games makes them more money https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=ThglYlZEQ-A

>>1541886 Beat me by five seconds.

>>1541254 Tencent's on his way of doing that. They copped AC and Rainbow Six already. Ubisoft wasn't even French at this point, and now they stopped being Canadian.

>>1541940 kys shartfag

>>1541718 you too

>>1541886 >we cannot be bothered to make a better product but we are entiteld to your money you fucking serf now eat the shit and pay for it! >openly saying this

>>1541254 who the fuck would want that pile of shit company

>>1540284 We'll be at, or close to, 1.4 mil by the end of the week. >>1540295 I'll reduce my anti-EU shitposting if SKG makes it to real law. >>1541886 This is a reason why intellectual property is antithetical to the concept of a free market. Infinitely (or effectively infinite) exclusive management and creation of certain products creates a monopoly of said products. Wow, whose fucking surprised that without the previous CoD to compare to the newest CoD, gays company can re-release the same dogshit and consumers must consume. Lolbertarian doesn't have a real solution because of this. It's deregulation and the complete destruction of IP/copyright law, or more regulation. And SKG, as I said last thread, is very reasonable regulation that is really hard to go against without arguing in ignorance or bad faith. As seen. I hope that the EU completely goes nuts on SKG and makes the most hard-ass regulations to fuck over companies. I want companies to cry angrily over this for decades. I want leaked Nintendo company calls where they kvetch for hours on end. If only the US would follow suit in the near future, but not until the EU does something and the companies have already changed policy anyway.

EVERYBODY DOOMING NEEDS TO REMEMBER ONE LAWSUIT IN AUSTRALIA GOT STEAM REFUND CAPABILITY FOR THE WHOLE WORLD incidentally, I went to halfchan to see if they were really deleting SKG threads. They're not, or at least they aren't any more, but for the quality of discussion in there they might as well be.

>>1542701 >This is a reason why intellectual property is antithetical to the concept of a free market. Infinitely (or effectively infinite) exclusive management and creation of certain products creates a monopoly of said products. Wow, whose fucking surprised that without the previous CoD to compare to the newest CoD, gays company can re-release the same dogshit and consumers must consume you know there were several competitors to cowadooty right? you do not need to deprive people or companies of intellectual propery ownership in order to have similar games being relased at the same time, there was killzone on snoystation, medal of honor back when cod was about ww2, and battlefield still up to this day, hell call of duty was relased AFTER battefield

>>1542821 I imagine Thor probably posts in those threads.

>>1542837 CoD was one of the worst possible examples. The point is clearer with more unique games. Games like Pokemon and Sonic that are able to command massive fanbases despite being shit for longer than they've been good. There have been legally distinct competitors, but none of them have landed because a big part of the draw is the characters and setting.

>>1542880 That's a lot of words to spell out marketing.

>>1542880 i understand what youre saying but pokemon was also one of the many with one of the more popular of its competitors being digimon which decided to shoot itself in the foot and sonic was literally meant to compete with mario and showcase segas new console, it morphed into something completely different though

>>1542880 >Games like Pokemon and Sonic that are able to command massive fanbases despite being shit for longer than they've been good Wouldn't Halo be a better example?

>>1542901 What do you mean by marketing? If you mean advertising, I don't think that's the important factor. You could run the biggest advertising campaign ever for "Pouchmonsters" and nobody will buy it, because the small details that you have to change to make it legally distinct make it unappealing to people who like pokemon. They don't play the games for the gameplay or the storyline, they play it because they value the setting and characters. So as long game freak is the only company allowed to use the setting and characters, they can gut and ruin every other part of the game. This isn't an issue specific to games, it also explains what happened to marvel and star wars, or any long running series you may be a fan of. >>1542920 Yeah, there are lots of monster collectors, but each of the successful ones is distinct. Even from the start, digimon was very different from pokemon. You couldn't substitute either for the other, so they were never really competing. Palworld is an interesting case, and only is possible because pokemon has fucked up so badly, but it's still going for a very different tone and setting from pokemon. >>1542964 Halo is also a good example, and shows that the argument "IP law is necessary to protect artists" is wrong, since so frequently IP is the tool used to separate the original studio or original developers from their work.

Interracial Sex Tips made a video on the subject. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Asc85BEWyqg

>>1540689 >It's betting on their customer's lack of an attention span and resolve. Some people boycott their games until the next Siege skin pack drops. Speaking from experience, it's a safe bet with normalcattle. Some people, despite claiming to support boycotts, don't even follow the basic tenant of not buying something from the guy you're boycotting. I've seen anons make these kinds of moral compromises, for god's sake.

>>1542869 >probably

>>1543078 kek. Is there any proof?

>>1543131 I know. I've one it before, and it's still funny.

>>1543113 >spoiler no, but given how self absorbed he is, there's no doubt he's at the very least lurking in all the threads.

Thank god I was getting tired of seeing that eceleb's face, damn shame he's stuck to this movement's legacy like a leech. >>1540735 In this field sure, but when it comes to guns, music, landscaping, any other subject? I know I'd quickly be the dumbass normalfag that wouldn't be able to tell right from left.

>>1540288 Name of that song?

>>1543322 Darude Sandstorm.

>>1543340 funy

>>1543078 Don't know if he fucked animals but he did apparently groomed and encouraged doxxing of some teenage boy. Also bragged about doxxing at blizzard. Surprised no one is talking about. https://piratesoftware.sucks/summary

>>1542837 The real problem extends beyond copyright. The entirety of intellectual property is inherently flawed because you can influence the government with money, so you can make bogus claims and win solely on the metric that you had more money. Look at Nintendo patenting concepts like jumping and characters looking at things, and riding on summoned monsters.

>>1543403 >worked at blizzard All you need to know tbh.

>>1543322 dozo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRWSC-6CiWo i was curious too so i just searched by the lyrics

>>1540284 >>1542701 Current signatures ending off the night for myself and fellow burgers as of 11:59 PM EST. >Current Signatures >1,247,976 Definitely trailing off a bit from the hype a number of mainstream tuber channels brought it, but nonetheless 30,000+ signatures in a day is nothing to scoff at considering there are still over 20 days left for the initiative. I'd wager maybe a a week or two from now the "ideal goal" of 1.4 million signatures will get hit, assuming no other major personalities provide significant coverage (like PewDiePie, Markiplier, or God forbid some gaming publication or actual news channel catching wind of the initiative).

>>1543612 I personally think 1.4M is not enough and they should add more milestones before it reaches that point

>>1543649 Yeah, it doesn't really make sense to have an arbitrary end point. Even without invalid signatures, the higher the total count is, the more pressure it creates to pass it.

this is the reason why malta hasn't reached its threshold yet

I worry the politically minded audience Ross is getting won't watch his Game Dungeons, meaning the new subscribers will have a spoiler effect and actually lessen his future views.

>>1542821 I wonder why Valve fought against it for a year.

>>1543944 They're obviously gonna leave, but I don't really give a shit and assuming Ross isn't one of those short-sighted retards who make Youtube a big part of the livelihood, he shouldn't either. It should stay something done for the passion of it, not for number-go-up. >>1543972 Because Steam shop is the one thing modern Valve gives a shit about, and just because they're the last private corporation in America that doesn't have (((shareholders))) does not mean they're your friend.

>>1542977 >Palworld is an interesting case, and only is possible because pokemon has fucked up so badly, Not really, PUBG (another game that was made with stock Unreal assets) got popular as well before shitting itself.

>>1543944 I think Ross will be fine with it. He doesn't seem like the guy, who did all of this, just as a marketing ploy to get more people to watch Game Dungeons, and I think he is honest when saying that he would rather do Game Dungeons, than do interviews about SKG. Plus with the recent money he has received, it might have put him back on track to where he was, before he started campaigning.

>>1543983 >Because Steam shop is the one thing modern Valve gives a shit about I wish they would do something with the blatant bots in some "games". That banana "game" last year for example.

>>1543944 enjoying going through his old videos, watched Civil Protection last night, now I want Ross to finish the movie.

>>1540714 I just wanted to play video games.

>>1543649 >I personally think 1.4M is not enough Really? Even the EU has stated that's essentially the maximums wiggle room that's ever been needed on one of these initiatives. The more the merrier of course but nearly 50% over the goal seems pretty reasonable. >>1543661 But it's not exactly an "arbitrary" amount, it's a goal above the suggested safe zone of extra votes that would ensure at least the 1,000,000 valid votes needed. The closer the bar gets to full, the more inclined new signers will be to push it closer to full. If you didn't have a specific goal or something like 2,000,000 then people would just see it's even further from "finishing." I think it makes sense to be displayed the way it's at currently.

>>1544611 I'm not very familiar with EU petitions, but the fact that it gained a massive amount of steam just to forcefeed crow to one fag in particular should warrant extra caution. It would be hilarious if the final tally ended overtaking the 1.4 mil or so following him on twitch

>>1543944 I wouldn't worry about that. I've watched Ross since before I became truly politically knowledgable, and I will continue to watch Ross until he does something utterly inexcusable with respect to the objective truths of this world. I've even been willing to ignore his schpiel on "anthropogenic global warming" in that one propaganda video game he reviewed simply because he has been brainwashed like everyone else on the subject and it's not his fault.

>>1541886 This is why I support making backups of games you bought on PSN, or the virtual console, or steam, or GOG. Never trust these people to let you keep your games. You just have to hope that your hardware will keep working forever, and that they won't randomly decide to screw you over later on. Look at the poor slobs who bought GTA: San Andreas on steam, and had mandatory steam updates remove content from the game without their permission. Or how about people who were foolish enough to buy movies on their playstation, and discovery just pulls them all without refunds?

>>1545388 I just keep a text file with a list of the titles of all the games I legally own. If any of them are ever taken from me for any reason, I will simply pirate them and continue to play them. 90% of these legally owned games were picked up in those weekly or short-term giveaways that all the gaming platforms put out. Click one button, legally own a game, write the name down on the list.

>>1541704 Do you really not see the difference between some nobody ragebaiting and someone popular destroying their credibility?

that nigger is still asshurt about not being able to win the argument

>>1541127 >What if this makes every single AAA videogame into a paid subscription service or something even worse? Why would it? The only games that would even warrant that sort of thing are games with persistent online worlds or that are online multiplayer only. Gacha games won't have that because they are paid for with gacha mechanics. Basically all other multiplayer games could get away with just being serverless p2p. Or possibly not even including an online multiplayer aspect at all or just being single player only. The thing to remember is these development decisions that "require official servers" are voluntary choices made during development. There's plenty of games that have a tacked on online experience that was never truly necessary. Requiring AAA developers of all things to make better development decisions or at minimum just making a standard "sunset to singelplayer" final game patch isn't something that unbearably restrictive. Hell companies might not even have to do anything really other than not shut down private 3 party servers for their dead games. Having shut down online only games being legally treated as abandonware is hardly the end of the world, and if it is for the publisher/developer then maybe they shouldn't shut it down in the first place.

>>1545500 500 IQ move right there.

>>1546745 It'll go back to normal once there's some significant news about SKG. Not sure why this isn't a cyclical, to be honest.

So... Stop Killing Games?

>>1546795 Yeah...not in so many words

SKG is at 1,278,900 now and set to hit 1.3 either today or tomorrow. It would take breaking the invalidation record at this point. Ross seems happy with this figure, but was suggesting an even higher margin to be even safer.

>>1547309 The numbers seem good but honestly it needed to get even more, the more people it gets past the original deadline the more possible pressure it can cause

>>1547417 At this point a conservative estimation is that it will reach at least 1.5 million signatures by the end of this month, with a good chance of going over 1.6 million. As for "putting pressure", the reality is that even if it were to get 4 million signatures that would only be about 1% of the EU citizens with voting rights. I doubt any EU politician feels any pressure from such an initiative, but that doesn't mean they can't act in good faith, and might even vote in our favor.

>>1547479 its some faggot spamming off topic baits to derail the thread, in the previous one it was about white genocide and economics now its global warming and communism

>>1547309 >but was suggesting an even higher margin to be even safer. I mean yeah, the more the better.

why are so many retards seething about the initiative

>>1547573 Paid shills, like Maldus Figtree, the furfag who is an industry plant.

>>1547573 "Thor" paid them with letting them watch him

>>1542869 >>1543078 Could be, in any case, Maldus Figtree, if you are reading this, I want to say thank almighty God I am not a furfag cocksucker like you.

>>1547573 In this thread? Probably the same guy IP hopping to troll, seeing as c198aa, 30a346 and 40d646 all start ranting about communism around the same time. On the wider internet? Two reasons. First, as Ross described it, it's like when auto makers whined about having to include seatbelts. Corpos hate doing anything that (they perceive) loses them money, regardless of the public good. Second, a lot of people genuinely don't understand the ECI or what they're asking for. They seem to think the exact wording on the EU website will become law or something, and not the starting point for a debate in EU parliament. Beyond that they think it would be retroactive, "indie (mobile) devs won't be able to comply!!" is the common retort, regardless of how many times the organizers have said they wouldn't be asking the EU commission for retroactive enforcement. Some devs/bootlickers have a bad faith concern troll argument also about indie devs, and how they'll be dissuaded from making multiplayer games and focus on singleplayer BASEDBASEDBASEDBASED. That argument is disingenuous for a variety of reasons, chief among them being the kinds of games that get killed just don't exist in the indie space. The SKG organizers made a huge list of dead and at risk games, and they're mostly from companies like NetEase, EA, Capcom, Activision, Ubisoft, Square Enix, Nexon, etc. It's an argument from a reality which materially does not exist.

>>1547573 Drama brought them in and now that it's drying up they can't help themselves.

https://youtu.be/UyXr2BXhAXY&t=455 >misrepresenting a petition is illegal in the US Oh god, please let pirate get sued by SKG if they have standing, oh god it would be so funny.

>>1548042 Oh wait, if it's illegal it might be the government that charges him, which means people would need to report the crime.

>>1548042 I hope he gets sued $1 for every signature, that would bring me endless joy

>>1548042 SKG shouldn't waste any more energy on that retard. I'd still be happy to hear he got some comeuppance tho.

>>1548042 Misrepresentation by the people in charge of the petition is illegal. He's not in charge of it. You can't lie about the contents of a petition as a proponent of it to trick people into signing it. Anyone else can lie about it all they want.

>>1548379 I looked into it a bit more, yeah, probably nothing, though paragraph (c) of Section 43.32 is for any person, not just the organizers like for the other sections (except (d), which is also for any person, as that one is for falsifying signatures). >No person shall willfully or knowingly circulate, publish or exhibit any false statement or misrepresentation concerning the contents, purport or effect of any petition mentioned in this section for the purpose of obtaining any signature to any such petition or for the purpose of pursuading any person to sign or not to sign any such petition. But I think it's for LA only since this is part of the Los Angeles Municipal Code. https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/los_angeles/latest/lamc/0-0-0-130943 The petitions named in article (c) are described in article (a) >any petition authorized or provided for by the City Charter, or otherwise by law So probably have to be petitions from LA, unless by law means by any law, no idea, I ain't no lawyer. The EU seems to have laws only against the organizers though.

Good old Notch. Ross has talked about this topic himself quite a bit, too. He repeatedly says that if there is absolutely no legal way to purchase a game from the rightsholder, and it's completely prohibitive to buy a secondhand copy (tens of thousands on ebay, or they just don't exist), he feels that piracy is always correct. Which is a logical thing to believe; it's just that the law officially says "no piracy in any form, ever." Could SKG be a stepping stone toward legislation regarding making true abandonware legal (or, at least, not a crime) to obtain? https://x.com/Dexerto/status/1942735469478826281 https://xcancel.com/Dexerto/status/1942735469478826281 https://archive.is/2pdJE

>>1549270 >Could SKG be a stepping stone toward legislation regarding making true abandonware legal (or, at least, not a crime) to obtain? Maybe for DOS & older windows software, but I don't see it happening for consoles.

>>1549270 Ross doesn't himself endorse the "if buying isn't owning piracy isn't stealing" line of thinking for the movement, if I recall correctly.

>>1549648 True, but he's been very pro-Abandonware

>>1549648 >>1549270 I don't agree with the concept of "if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing" but moreso because piracy doesn't need a conditional clause to NOT be considered theft. US case law already considers it different from theft, as many landmark cases can attest. https://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-banned-from-using-piracy-and-theft-terms-in-hotfile-trial-131129/ I agree with the general sentiment, however, that the law is in serious need of revision. for example, if you legally buy a copy of Ocarina of Time, then you should be able to download a different version for, oh say, romhacking purposes. Or you should be able to download the original 8 Mega Man X titles, if you buy the Legacy collection. This is important because it also establishes that you should be able to modify games you buy, including taking out DRM like Enigma or Denuvo.

>>1541812 That wouldn't work, but then again Denuvo is pretty much identical under the hood to a DRM product (from the same company iirc) that was cracked years ago, so it should have been cracked too a long time ago. But all the people who cracked the old one got raided by the feds so the drm cracking scene lost a lot of people with the technical knowledge to do it.

>>1549270 >made promising game >stopped developing it >went on full time job of collecting awards for game he didn't develop >game became insanely popular despite having shit for content >denied the modding API >sold out to Microsoft I have nothing but disdain for this dumb fat fucking nigger. It's too bad he didn't eat himself to death.

>>1549270 >Could SKG be a stepping stone toward legislation regarding making true abandonware legal (or, at least, not a crime) to obtain? I don't think so. SKG would make it easier to play online with a pirated version after the game is discontinued. Pushing for the legalisation would be reaching too far and kill SKG by giving publishers the "muh intellectual property".

>>1549871 holy shit is the Infiniminer dev

Current signatures ending off the night (not really it's already like 3AM in the morning EST I was busy gaming with a friend lol) for burgers: >Current Signatures >1,296,197 Literally skirting the very edge of 1.3 million. Momentum seems to be slowing down a little bit though I do keep seeing an endless onslaught of videos covering SKG and Malding Fagtree popping up on my YouTube feed, so most likely signatures will continue to trickle in over the next few weeks. Personally speaking, I feel like 1.3 million is definitely within the safe region (Ross himself said 1.2 million was the "minimum safe amount") so unless 100,000 signatures were either spoofed or done by literal retards the campaign is already on track for success. Combined with the fact the ECI site itself lists SKG as a good example of an initiative, as well as the fact the AAA industry is responding by blasting poorly-written announcements and rewriting EULAs, the chances of this actually doing something to alter the gaming landscape in the near future are all but certain.

>>1550004 This is completely irrelevant to the discussion but this is the third post I've made on /v/ today that was less than five off from a fucking quad shit fucking god damnit friggin dick shit ass fuck

Another big milestone

Another big milestone

>>1550338 I wonder if any of the big slop tubers are gonna react to any of Ross' normal content, he really deserves the views.

Sorry I never paid attention this not 2 years ago and not now, is this basically just Ross getting angry that he and others paid $60 for online only live service games that always undersell because no one rational is willing to pay for that shit so the servers shouldn't shut down for the 200 or less people who paid for it and play it? Is that basically it?

It's about being able to host the servers and turn off the always online drm bullshit when the corpo plugs the live support out. That's the plot.

>>1550826 Ah I see, you know personally I don't think it should be legal to charge money if a game lacks a singleplayer campaign but I guess if they're going to pull a game offline it should go into public domain.

>>1550823 If you've got time to kill, and want to know the pathos of "why even care" consider watching his video on The Crew: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8KZwcHOSRgQ But in short Ross mostly is coming at this from an art preservation angle. Much like people care about Warner Bros having destroyed the last copies of many black and white films in the 1920s, Ross mainly cares that the work that all the actual game developer put in should still exist and not be erased from existence, whether you want to play the game because its actually good, youre just nostalgic, or you're only curious. He covered a LOT of dead games for a while, many of which fit the bill of >really just a single player game <but with some online bullshit tacked on solely to enable micro transactions and the ability for the publisher to lock you out of it at an arbitrary time of their choosing The Crew is basically that, most of the game content is the world itself and the single player campaign/missions that take you through it. Also the business model of most of these games is largely that you pay upfront, get a copy of the game, and go play it, just like if it was a Super Mario 64 cartridge. Of course it turns out that most of these companies have contracts that are downright abusive. They take your money, promise you nothing, and delivering the game is ancillary. They could shut the game down before you have time to install it and, ostensibly, that's legal. It looks like the EU is the mostly likely region to pass consumer law to oppose this, basically, and demand that if you pay for something you get to keep it. What we have now for a lot of games is on par with Disney going to your house and destroying your old star wars VHS tapes because it's time to buy the special edition blu ray with (((updated scenes))). This consumer rights angle isn't totally the original point but its also pretty justifiable to care about on its own. The notable exception is games with an actual subscription: they state right upfront when your access ends, unlike many games which COULD shut down a week after release, which has famously happened sometimes. It looks like it might actually work and the Ubisoft lawyers are scared. That's the stage we are at now so get hyped. Also, people siding with the companies that add online shit to games just so they can shut them down later should be raped to death by niggers, thank you for reading.

>>1551056 >It looks like the EU is the mostly likely region to pass consumer law to oppose this And if it's passed in one region then most companies out of convenience and practicality will just apply the standard to all regions of the game. It's a strategy.

I'm wondering how this will affect gacha.

>>1551336 hopefully kills it somehow

>>1551347 If its not killing the entire gambling and shit online i don't care about it

>>1551336 i hope theyll get offline versions, would be nice to play these games that are otherwise tainted by the gambling and always online garbo

>>1551336 unless this somehow gets mandated to be retroactive as well, it won't really do anything. A handful of gacha have an offline mode after they EoS'd, so I'm pretty sure it's not that hard to do it. There's also another handful where people (usually chinks) have made it so the game connects to a private server, making it playable that way.

>>1551336 The big gachas like Genshin and FGO will not be shutdown any time soon. And even if it does, I bet these shitty gacha companies will find a way for them to profit from any form of private servers. <the monetization must stay on in your servers and we get almost all revenue Or something like that

>>1551336 Probably not allow them to profit like all private servers now. Result will generally be something like private servers just giving everyone unlimited rolls

>>1551336 I dreamed that I was playing one that EoS'd again...

>>1549913 I mean as an entirely separate concept, and only once SKG succeeds, of course.

>>1551336 Future gachas with a global release, would just have to release an offline version once they are no longer profitable, which has been done before with Mega Man X Dive and it's even a product they sell, so they still get some revenue from it. As such I don't think it will affect gachas in any way shape or form.

>>1550350 Freeman's Mind is already done and its run through HL2 is being put aside for SKG, so that's already a good mine for them. His Game Dungeon vids are also easy content for the dumbass gaming commentary channels on Twitch to put in the background and go "uh huh, yeah" every few seconds. >>1551336 >>1552399 Gachas hilariously will be the go-to reference for implementation as they've had the most case studies available to ape. As an example, Brave Nine, the prequel/sequel to Brown Dust 2 with bikiniclad characters galore, has implemented an offline version after EoS that allows players to just download it off Steam or an app store and play all the content with no restrictions, even the licensed collaboration units somehow. Grimlight, a gacha ran by a few Westerners with contracted art out to Asian outsourcers that completely flopped on arrival, went to the effort of preserving itself offline. Even Senran Kagura Shinobi Master: New Link has an offline version. However, it does depend on implementation. Some gachas retain the gameplay, others are just content galleries and are restricted to only the players who had the game downloaded prior to end of service. If companies aren't completely fucking retarded this is overall a positive development, as it means IPs that may not have a good limelight on release can be mined and revived later on. It's just that the gacha model heavily relies on FOMO and knowing the content could potentially be free in the future could threaten the whole motivation in getting people to pull.

Let's assume the heavenly scenario that Ubisoft is botting the signatures to invalidate the initiative because they are that stupid. Aside from laws about SKG getting absolutely passed instead of just discussed, what do you think would happen to Ubisoft? It's a farfetched dream of mine but I hope EU in vengeance would release those IPs it could to public domain as punishment, though yeah, that is insanely delusional.

>>1552743 Actually now that I think about it, free to play mmos and gachas, might be even grayer ground. With the Crew, you could argue that you bought content, and now Ubisoft is depriving you of content, but what about a gacha? If I F2P for the entire duration, does that mean I am entitled to play the game offline? What if someone bought a character, does that mean they only get the png/obj of that character? And let's not get started on just buying premium currency and doing who knows what. In the end, these are the type of debates and discussions that will most likely be brought in front of the EU commission, so we will have to wait and see what happens. >knowing the content could potentially be free in the future could threaten the whole motivation in getting people to pull. While theoretically, people could force an EoS just to get the game content, it's very short sighted and for the most popular of gacha a non-issue. Let's say you didn't get the character you wanted from the banner, and in your rage, you manage to get the game killed, and now you get to play an offline version of it(almost impossible by just one guy, and it doesn't happen in an instant). Ok, now you have that character, but you also wanted another character to be introduced in the roster, but you killed the game before that could happen. Oh, and while you might have gotten that particular character, it won't be getting alts either, because you killed prematurely. >It's just that the gacha model heavily relies on FOMO While it is correct in that a lot of gacha is based on FOMO, it is also based on the promise and expectation, that story characters who are not yet in the gacha, will eventually be introduced, as well as if the character receives enough support it might get a swimsuit or bunnysuit version. Lastly, part of the reason whales spurge on characters is to dominate the rankings, and for that you need the F2P plebians to dominate over. These are reasons, why a whale might long-term support a gacha, and not just sabotage it, to force an EoS single player offline version.

>>1552895 >what do you think would happen to Ubisoft? The pay a $300,000,000 fine and forget it happened and continue as usual.

>>1550833 >personally I don't think it should be legal to charge money if a game lacks a singleplayer campaign I am honestly curios about your reasoning. You don't seem to come at it, from a "pirate everything" viewpoint, and you don't just say that you shouldn't buy multiplayer-only games, but that it should be considered a crime to sell multiplayer-only games. Do multiplayer-only games in which you can host your own server like Quake 3 Arena count, or do those type of games get a pass, because you can host the server yourself? If it's just multiplayer-only games in which you can't host your own server like Concord I assume Overwatch as well, but haven't played it, then why shouldn't the devs be allowed to sell that game? Even then, how much of a singleplayer campaign is enough to count? Is just a simple tutorial enough? Is a short 1 hour campaign enough? Does it need to have a minimum amount of hours, depending on price, like 60 hours for 60 dollars, but then what about single-player games that are very short(less than 1 hour) but rely a lot on replayability and mastery such as bullet hells like Tohou? If those count, then would a fighting game, that only has a short campaign like Street Fighter V count, as most of the gameplay will be online match-making, or should that also be illegal? Finally, if you just want every online-only game to be free to play, then what about microtransactions and other crap that infest F2P MMOs and Gachas? Is that really a better system, than the pay once, play online, even if you can't host? Just to be clear, I am not trying to say that you should buy Concord or pay premium currency for gachas, I am not here to defend those types of games, I am just trying to understand why you think the government should fine/arrest people who sell games that are multiplayer-only, and were you draw the line.

PirateSoftware has supposedly lost over 100,000 subscribers. So there's that.

>>1553291 I mean, he literally brags about him and his mods banning thousands of accounts on his social media daily.

>>1553096 I hate the likelihood of it. They've taken blow after crippling flop blow and yet they cling to life like a cockroach.

>>1553333 >>1553344 ayyyy

>>1553096 Supposedly botting an ECI is a threat to European democracy, so there is a chance some actual harsh punishment would be given other than monetary fine I hope. Otherwise EU would show entertainment corps can get scott-free on fucking with customer's rights laws. >>1553333 >>1553344 >>1553400

>>1551353 You can't kill gambling, LMAO, absolute rulers have been trying to kill gambling since we discovered fire, what makes you think the European union will succeed, KEK

>>1553344 Black rock shooter....

>>1553425 I said "online"

>>1553344 It's not their money they literally being funded by Canadian goverment.

>>1551361 That applies to shutdowns, meaning games that already died. If Genshit suddenly gets EoS after this it'll need to have an end of life plan.

>>1552987 From at least Ross's opinion, if you purchased any in-game transaction without a stated expiration date, you should be legally entitled to keep that content (and necessarily also access to the game) forever. There's no legal argument to force them to let free players keep playing, but once the offline version *exists* you can probably pirate it. And what are they going to do, spend money to sue you for pirating a free game that can't make them money any more?

>>1553446 There will be way more gambling for quite a while before we see any sensible regulation. Same goes for the worst kind of dark patterns like "convenience". >>1553552 For future games I can see them trying to sidestep this by claiming they're selling an experience in a theme park but a critical mass will most likely reject this. Even mobile/fifa gaymers might start using their brain once they're being explicitly warned that they don't own their server-side cards, characters etc.

>>1553490 Ross has said a few times he doesn't plan to ask for this. It would be too easy for companies to convince legislators that it's an unnecessary burden. Any game which is already released (including active live service games) could very well already have, for example, an active contract with a middleware company which requires monthly payments while the game is available. Forcing them to renegotiate or replace that software is... Probably not totally unrealistic, but might be more a company that is almost bankrupt, so it's unpalatable to legislators. So yes, unfortunately, the requirement for games to have an end of life plan would only apply to future releases after a certain date. We're not asking for retroactive or current games just because, we aren't likely to win that.

>>1553595 One step at a time.

>>1553466 MORE TARIFFS

>>1553683 Tariffs only cover physical goods.

>>1554001 We need to tariff thoe tits

>>1551336 Less whales will commit suicide when their game ends.

You know, for spending so much money on jpegs, gacha players are surprisingly cool with their games existing in the vidya equivalent of the La Terreur.

>>1554233 >La Terreur its called south korea

>>1554021 I knew there had to be one drawback.

>>1554233 Its the same thing with every MMO player

>>1553586 Honestly, the #1 way they're already trying to sidestep it is literal subscription services. Microsoft has Gamepads, Sony has PS Now, Nintendo has games with their online service, Google tried Stadia for a while before they gave up. "Fortunately" I think theyre already pushing these as hard as they can and don't seem to want to take the massive risk of making the next CoD, FIFA, Halo or something like that a subscription platform exclusive... Though they definitely are thinking about it. More pertinent to the EU commission directly, I wonder if some companies really would be willing to take the hit of calling their games a subscription just to not provide an offline mode. Something like "you pay once and subscribe for one month at minimum, plus as long as we keep the service up as a FREE BONUS". It might look bad but they would only have to do it in the EU, and then Americans can't pirate their offline mode later or something.

Another dev crucified Jason's shit code even more in depth than coding jesus did a few days ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KtzADIW0tg

>>1554765 >you pay once and subscribe for one month at minimum, plus as long as we keep the service up as a FREE BONUS Trying to be cute with the law like that should result in floggings but it doesn't. Makes the legal system look like a joke.

>>1555529 I mean, yea, that was my main point. The only reason that this kind of mafia hasn't happened with all game studios is because game development isn't necessarily stuck behind gigantic, expensive industrial needs. Especially nowadays. Though many of the anti consumer design in several video games, and especially the kind that is related to SKG, might as well be the same kind of collusion just based on the fact that a majority of the industry engages in these shitty practices to squeeze more money out of everyone.

>>1541127 most people don't wanna play on private servers it's not gonna change much

this is funny

>>1556920 I see so many of these thumbnails. I saw so many "He's done" and "Career over" ones for Mr. Beast and yet he's still doing the same shit getting almost 70m views a video.

>>1556920 Haha, I agree fellow channer! Youtube eceleb clickbait thumbnails are indeed quite entertaining!

>>1557008 I don't watch that slop. I just find it funny that sloptubers found their new cow to milk.

>>1557004 I think that's the same guy. His audience is mostly literal kids, so quality is not a question. Channels like that often burn out very fast when their viewership grows up

Apparently Nicu Ștefănuță the vice-president of the EU parliament is in support of SKG? It was on a instagram story that he asked people to sign it and idk how to fucking archive it

>>1556920 Nobody's dug up his Second Life selling furry porn avatar-era drama and is EvE shitty guild leader-era drama either I dunno exactly what the drama is but I know it exists, warn me when some dramatuber digs that shit up.

>>1556920 Whatever channel that is looks like complete fucking cancer.

>>1557055 Was it? Can you share the link at least? I've been trying to find it but nobody has fucking posted it.

>>1557355 Best i can get for you is the twiiter form SKG which i dunno if it's really the official one since they don't have a link https://archive.vn/TfXyu

>>1558182 unrelated, but the article embeds a tweet that quotes a tweet from the news company that's for the article. It's a circular reference.

>>1558202 Good point, after checking his social medias, I can't find anything about it. Gonna delete my previous post and unless someone manages to dig up the archived post, I'm gonna go ahead and assume it's fake.

On the front of companies having to end distribution of games (or outright kill them if they're always online) if it's too expensive to renew licenses for cars or other products, perhaps the solution is to not license them in the first place. Or at least patch out the logos and other trademarks for fictional branding once the licenses end. I deally better than how they did it in the VC release of WR64 but even the half assed job shows that it's possible.

>>1559092 Even if they have to stop selling the game, that's still no excuse to leave it unplayable. The pikmin remakes had to change some stuff because of licencing, but that doesn't mean that that the original gamecube version self destructed.

>>1557055 >>1558202 If someone could tell me a way to see instagram accounts the same way I can with nitter, then I could translate his post if it's in Romanian. On the other hand, this seems to be his xitter account, and he did retweet it, so that's a good sign. https://nitter.poast.org/nicustefanuta https://archive.ph/wip/eLnR6

>>1558202 >>1558248 Ok, the guy retweeted it, so it's official, a vice-president of the European Parliament officially endorsed the initiative. You can verify that's his official twitter here https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/58766/NICOLAE_STEFANUTA/home The retweet itself has the link in the threads for the dexerto article with his official statement. https://nitter.poast.org/Dexerto/status/1944130931624706373#m https://archive.is/hMi1N >I stand with the people who started this citizen initiative. I signed and will continue to help them. A game, once sold, belongs to the customer, not the company. https://www.dexerto.com/gaming/stop-killing-games-gets-official-support-from-prominent-european-politician-3225820/ https://archive.is/srIfo >>1559230 The original post seems to have been an Instagram story, which are auto-deleted after 24h, so unless someone managed to save it, it's gone. He has a new story on his instagam showing the retweet. I don't know which specific site is best for it, but I found this one by googling it quickly. https://anonyig.com/en/

>>1559230 Oh yeah, this is all that I have of his Instragram story if you want to translate it, from the SKG tweet. https://nitter.poast.org/StopKilingGames/status/1944132911537463502 https://archive.is/TfXyu

>>1540204 >He thinks the EU will actually force devs to let people make private servers

>>1559230 romanians will save gaming

>>1559336 The EU mandates 2 years warranty on consumer electronics, they are the reason everything uses usb c chargers, and in 2027, smartphones will have replaceable batteries again. The EU has a track record of pro consumer legislation against the wishes of big tech companies.

>>1559092 >I deally better than how they did it

>>1559300 Thanks for the suggestion, did not know that stories get deleted. >>1559329 >I am with the people who have started this citizen initiative. I signed and will help them later. A game, once sold belongs to the client, not to the company >>1559339 Before anyone goes on to say that he is "based" and "redpilled", from what I have seen he is a far-leftist, pro LGBT and doesn't like the right wing, so it might just be a case of a broken clock being right.

Sage for doublepost Just to be clear, I am not trying to derail the conversation into LGBTQPAZ territories, only to make people aware that just because someone supports SKG, even if it's for the right reasons, doesn't mean his politics are 100% correct. I don't know, just throw him off a chopper after the EU reaches a resolution on the SKG issue :^)

>>1559219 >Even if they have to stop selling the game, that's still no excuse to leave it unplayable. I agree although I can understand how a continually online game might be treated differently in a contract than one that is released once and then that single release is sold off over a period of years. It could be interpreted as a "re-release" rather than a single release with updates. Regardless it's all on the developers and publishers not to make bad deals in the first place. Either by setting the terms that it should be treated as a single release instead of a continual re-release or by just not making those deals in the first place and going with brands that are more willing or just by foregoing it and using fictional brands.

>>1559358 EU is pro consumer but anti free speech. If you live in the US, you get to have your cake and eat too if you just pressure the EU to do the pro consumer legislation for you. Just like Ross is doing right now. >>1559447 Yeah right now it's time to just take the W.

>>1559502 >EU is pro consumer but anti free speech That is true.

>>1559423 >Before anyone goes on to say that he is "based" and "redpilled", from what I have seen he is a far-leftist, pro LGBT and doesn't like the right wing, so it might just be a case of a broken clock being right. Yeah, his personal views are pure cancer but if i'm to disregard everyone that show support because of stuff like this,nothing will really change

>>1559543 >>1559502 I've never heard it describe like that, but yeah, that's surprisingly accurate. I've heard it put down to Europeans having a very different idea of what "freedom" is.

>>1559736 >but if i'm to disregard everyone that show support because of stuff like this,nothing will really change Anon, the reverse is also true that if you start to give him a pass in this area because he's saying something that you "like", that then is going to give him a foothold to start pushing things that you don't like and outright oppose.

>>1559736 >looks like a sex offender >is far left You don’t say?

>>1559736 It sucks that California seems to be the only place in the US with remotely decent customer rights, as shown with the whole click to cancel being dead.

>>1559893 Don't you mean ironic? As in, it's ironic that the very same people who see themselves as "virtuous" lack any amount of self control, and this have to run to the government to clean up a mess that they caused.

>>1559905 It sucks cause I'd like to have consumer rights without being in California.

>>1559423 >Before anyone goes on to say that he is "based" and "redpilled", from what I have seen he is a far-leftist, pro LGBT and doesn't like the right wing, so it might just be a case of a broken clock being right. So basically he's a career politician who's just trying to get deeper in the system by taking advantage of good will from his citizens. Go figure.

>>1559502 >Yeah right now it's time to just take the W. Agreed

>>1559874 He already does that,his only use is official position he can fuck off for anything else

>>1559736 I like the idea of reciprocity when it comes to stuff like that. Yeah, there are extremist leftists that won't bend unless they have their way, just like there are extremist people in the right that do the same. Being reciprocal in generating compromises is the way to slide attention into all issues seen as "extremist".

>>1560162 Many of these people have no real beliefs, if you can slowly make them compromise they will start to concede more ground on what you want, but you shouldn't allow them to start taking over since they are all a bunch of snakes

>>1559502 I thought Ross lived in Poland.

Becoming partisan is the worst thing that could happen to SKG, but I'm not sure it can be avoided at this rate. There's not much I can do about it except speak up against it when people try to tie this to other unrelated things.

>>1560419 He does, but the hope is that EU is a big enough market that because publishers will have to concede to a new law that it will benefit all of us >>1560438 >Becoming partisan is the worst thing that could happen to SKG, agreed >but I'm not sure it can be avoided at this rate. I'm not so sure about that, at least from a grassroots perspective. Perhaps we should be more worried about this once the EU parliament has to actually act on this, but from what I can see everybody from right wing anon-adjacent shitposters to leftist trannies agree on this one thing. The real fight is keeping the goal on track. If most of the people talking about this can manage to keep the message on track about what the initiative is really about, I think we'll see something passing that at the very least somewhat improves things.

>>1559841 >I've heard it put down to Europeans having a very different idea of what "freedom" is. In the US you have the freedom to do things, while in the EU you have freedom to not have things done to you.

>>1561238 >you have freedom to not have things done to you. This is, legally, true in both the USA and EU until you break certain rules, and the rules are what define your freedoms.

>>1560888 >the hope is that EU is a big enough market that because publishers will have to concede to a new law that it will benefit all of us Even if they don't, it'll be trivial to bypass. Apple, for example, withholds certain software features from Europe because the EU demands back doors Apple refuses to give them. They still release those features in the rest of the world, however. So the reverse could easily be true for video game companies. They might concede to allowing EU copies of the game continue to be operable, but not anywhere else. This is trivially bypassed with a VPN, however.

>>1562103 I still see this as a win, since allowing the game to work without publisher support renders it pirateable. Although I won't put it past them for adding clauses like only allowing private servers hosted in the EU and only allowing EU citizens to join.

>>1562118 >only allowing private servers hosted in the EU and only allowing EU citizens to join. Well, the whole world is being forcibly moved to a single global digital ID system (to match the digital-only currency the government will deny you if you're a bad goy), so I can definitely see that being written in.

>>1560438 Hello again Gothorita friend. I ended up getting banned for off-topic on the other site by pointing out the spam, you were 100% right about in the end. Anyway, it is hard to really separate partisan attitude etc. thing but in some sense imo it isn't *necessarily* bad thing to start asking more questions on other related things. However the problem will be that some people will try and drag it into more of the idpol and culturewar thing than being united because to some people just questioning some stuff about vidya industry alone is somehow a "left vs right" issue. Game journalism, worker rights and proper treatment, push for higher game prices, mtx stuff, even just generative AI inclusion. In general I'm happy that SKG opens up a door for more discussion and general criticism towards the industry.

How would you even make this partisan anyway? Any attempt to do so, like trying to make a fat POC tranny the face of the movement would be immediately called out by both sides once it tries to pass pro-corporate legislation at the very least. The fact that the movement was started by one of the most politically milquetoast people on youtube would lead to even fewer noses turning up. Both the right and the left include mega corporations in their list of tyrannical powers and I don't think they can get out of this by creating infighting or scapegoats. People (except for deluded libertarians) are sufficiently disillusioned and angry that the majority are willing to see them hurt in some way.

>>1562562 That's what you get for using 4cuck.

>>1562562 They word filter us because they fear us. It's easy to put in effort to restrain your own partisan/tribal impulses, but there's really little you can do to stop it from tearing apart movements like this, especially when there are bad actors. Just try to keep your cool if it seems everyone is going crazy, because often it's actually only a few people that have gone crazy. >>1562607 I'm not sure exactly how it'd happen, but I've been surprised before. Maybe the odds are better here, and and all the usual tricks will just roll right off. That would be nice.

>>1562607 Far leftist like to defend game companies because those are propaganda machines for their beliefs, but this initiative doesn't affect that in any way, so I doubt anyone but actual paid shills would oppose it

SKG is now at 1,356,000 signatures, it would take an act of god for it to be invalidated at this point. It'll probably get to 1,400,000 before it's over, I think that's the figure Ross is hoping for. Also, people in this thread are talking about the ECI like it's legislation. This would only spark a debate in EU parliament, it could end up being a complete dud that goes nowhere like several other ECIs have.

I want a "Stop Killing Consoles" initiative next that prevents a certain group of 3 dogshit companies from bricking game consoles just because the customer did something they don't like

Here's a video for normalfag retards that I can't download using any service, so a direct link will have to suffice. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=zLDMOAlWLfc

>>1565292 you are gay

>>1565310 Cool, thanks for being a subhuman instead of simply posting the video.

>>1565310 I find it a little bit disingenuous that corpo devs should be considered as fellow gamers.

>>1565333 sounds like what a gay would say

>>1565292 >can't yt-dlp negus please

>>1565376 Though it is annoying how you have to tinker with the formatting settings nowadays so it doesn't spit out three unreadable files.

>>1565292 If you are too lazy to use youtube-dl, then just use one of those web versions like https://en1.savefrom.net/1-youtube-video-downloader-8jH/ or https://yt1z.net/en-2EN/

>>1565519 >lazy No, it's just not compatible. >first link Anon, that has been dead for five years… And the other one didn't work. It's hit or miss with any of the online downloaders.

>>1565659 >Anon, that has been dead for five years Works on my machine. >And the other one didn't work Works on my machine.

>>1565673 Do I have to use a VPN, then?

>>1565673 I need bees to play with my balls and I need it to happen NOW

>>1565712 Glad I don't live in muttmerica.

>>1565376 >>can't yt-dlp You still can? It stopped running for me around the time a ton of invidious instances went down. Might work if I login to jewtube and give it cookies, but fuck that.

>>1566206 Did you update it?

Oh, and if you don't know how, CD into whatever folder it's inside via command line and type yt-dlp --update. Age-gated videos won't download, but everything else should. Make sure you're downloading a format that exists, it often tries to download two incompatible formats leading to a failed conversion. You can find one by yt-dlp -F https://example.url And reading through the listings

>>1566242 Danke. My version was nearly a year old, and when I got it, I followed a video that only showed installation and how to download a video normally. Didn't grab a readme or anything.

>>1565519 I hate how it's basically impossible to download age-restricted videos now, or even watch them on an alternate frontend like Invidious.

>>1566268 It's a major annoyance, especially when it's part of a playlist. Like come on, I need background material for shit like VotV and yet whoopsie doodles, one video in a playlist can't be dlp'd because the creator said DAMN in the first few seconds or is playing literally any game that has a semblance of blood or violence in it.

>>1566268 >>1567039 You can if you give it access to your session cookies after logging in, but I refuse to make a YT account. There used to be a workaround where you could enter and embedded URL and that would download, but I think that was patched awhile ago.

the UK thing ended at 189,891

>>1565712 Just use TOR or literally search for another alternative on a non-Google search engine. It takes 0.000001 seconds and good luck getting their Russian asses blocked. >>1566206 Try updating, sometimes Youtube will block webm outputs. >>1566242 >>1566268 >>1567364 If the invidio/yewtube instance manages to load the age restricteed video, you can use the Firefox addons "Media Downloader Unleashed!!!" (excalamation points mandatory) or "The Stream Detector" to sniff for the stream of a yt video. Alternatively, use TubeOffline / Dirpy.

>>1551336 Two games already showed that it can be possible. Whether or not it's feasible with every gacha game depends on the game/dev/etc.

An interesting quote to keep in mind. >“We decide on something, leave it lying around, wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because people don’t understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back.” >~ Jean-Claude Juncker, European Council & European Commission president; Junckers Tricks in den langen Brüsseler Nächten; Die Welt; January 21, 2013: https://archive.ph/B38C8 Kick up a fuss, Euros.

SKG got endorsed by another politician of the EU parliament. I'm starting to feel hope...

>>1568277 Metal Slug Attack Reloaded is missing easily 75% of the content from the gacha version

>>1572535 did they address that?

>>1572539 Nah, they did patch in a couple dozen new units after release but it's still missing 700 ish (though a good deal of that are shitty OP as fuck recolor to bait in app purchases) + a couple modes, at the very least they should add every units that are featured within the "story" segments of the game, it's very jarring that some things with a portrait and in-story mention lack the actual unit within the game.

>>1567364 >You can if you give it access to your session cookies after logging in, but I refuse to make a YT account. There used to be a workaround where you could enter and embedded URL and that would download, but I think that was patched awhile ago. I've heard of people getting their Google accounts banned after passing session cookies on to yt-dlp.

11k left for the full "overdrive"

And another member of the EU parliament endorsed SKG https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMQUw3rquLH/ This might actually happen

4k left

>>1583581 it's happening

will it go vroom vroom

>>1585712 THE RAPE TRAIN HAS NO BRAKES TOTAL CORPOCUCK DEVESTATION

>>1585712 Yeah, it's hitting the 1.4M in about 7 minutes. Wish I had champagne near me right now, but Whiskey will do.

Scratch that, more like thirty seconds. I can already taste the salt.

it didnt go vroom vroom :(

>>1585989 Let's hope we get everything we hope for.

>>1586241 shame it's AI

>>1586260 It's not, but ok.

>>1586301 Then it needs some serious perspective work.

>>1586004 >libertarian >SCAR the only times I've heard libertarians talk about the SCAR they shit on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QLbBFIp-_w

Good shit. People should keep signing all the same, since bad actors and assholes in the industry will likely be trying to sink this with fake signatures, but at least the extra 400,000 signatures might save it.

Might as well post Ross' reaction. All I can say, is what a month, no really, 30 days ago we had like 450k signatures, and now we are at 1.4 million signatures. We went from "it's over", to "we did it" in just 30 days. >>1587148 Please understand, it was at a discount.

See, I appreciate the EU for at least making some efforts to try to protect customer interests. Unlike here, in Kikeistan. Shame about Germany fucking you guys for so long with gorillions of muslims but at least you don't have to have that AND corpo boot on your neck.

>>1588300 >Germany More like Britain anglokike conglomerate, and remember that Germany died in 1945, been a CIA occupied cunt ever since

>>1588220 THANKS YOU FIG!!! >>1588300 The EU is literally owned by the USA gov, and those mudslimes are pushed into the continent due to policies pushed by USA financial incentives and wars for Israel.

piratecuckware on suicide watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQN_ZA5WRpo Looks like someone put in a complaint about the initiative claiming Ross is in charge of the initiative and donating money to it, despite him just being the e-celeb face of it.

>>1589632 >piratecuckware on suicide watch I actually really hope he doesn't become an hero. Not for any moral reasons or anything, but because it would be a big stain the movement before any legislation is passed. It would be funny if he killed himself afterwards though.

>>1589983 Damn I came in here to post the video. I have to admit I'm surprised at how openly hostile (((they))) (do we know who filed this?) Are before anyone's even making their official arguments. If they're doing shit like this we KNOW they're scared though.

>>1589983 Holy shit corpos are actually shaking with fear over this, i get the feeling if we win this it's gonna be a historic moment.

>>1589993 I would assume it's probably that same lobbying group that put out that statement against the initiative before, though there's no concrete evidence for it. Wouldn't be surprised if seeing EU politicians backing SKG put the fear of God into 'em.

>>1589983 Need to watch the video first, but straight off the bat I can tell you he's not on the organizer, campaigner or representative list. I've read the whole thing and Ross isn't anywhere on it, nor could be be as he's not an EU citizen. If this is a serious attempt by the industry, it's a bad one. Legally speaking Ross has only been a cheerleader.

>>1589983 >Gotta love a bunch of corpos ,who's brains are physically incapable of even imagining a man fighting for a cause and not money Even funnier when you think of people like Gabe and Todd supporting paid mods.

>>1589983 >inb4 7 days from now, Ross is found dead in his bathroom, with 7 bullet holes in his back >a written note was found in his pocket <I can no longer live with the shame of the fraud that I have committed. While my death is not enough to offset the suffering I have brought upon Thor, this is the best that I can do. Games have to be sunsetted and it is ludicrous to expect devs to work constantly to keep the servers on. I denounce the movement. <t. AccursedFarms >his death was ruled a suicide

>>1590012 Since when have we ever needed concrete evidence for anything? Let's dox them and try and convince NAFO that they are Russian spies.

>>1589983 fucking lol trying to bring up laws when their own laws say its fine.

Here's the PDF of the complaint. The metadata shows it was created on the 11th of July.

>>1589983 The absolute fucking gall of those assholes.

>>1589983 >"source: it was revealed to me in a dream" :the document

>>1590104 It took me some time to parse it but they are claiming: - Ross spends 12-14 hours/day promoting SKG - The "professional" rate is €50-€75 - Ergo his net contribution is €63,000-147,000 which is heckin' illegal not Note that they're not claiming he's actually paid that amount, only that he contributed the equivalent of that amount in time spent: >1. Article 17 Disclosure Threshold Violation The €500 disclosure threshold is exceeded by approximately 125-295 times through Scott's undisclosed professional time contribution, representing potentially the largest single source of campaign support Also >12-14 hours/day commitment during "many weeks" far exceeds any reasonable volunteer threshold They clearly underestimate gamer autism.

>>1590171 I was just about to post this, very spicy. It seems like they're positioning Ross as a campaign expert and media strategist doing pro bono work. Have you ever heard of the intelligence concept "the enemy's assessment of you will always be more accurate than your own"? Ross severely and habitually underestimates his own intelligence and competence, and that's not a mistake the industry is making. Whatever lobbying firm the VGE/ESA hired did their homework and could immediately tell Ross was very good at this, so he was the one to target. This is a dirty trick but I could see them convincing a Eurocrat, they could leverage his long history in video production as giving him expert knowledge in media outreach, and his YouTube hiatus as providing free services over his regular profession.

>>1590205 According to the EU, providing non-financial support such as volunteering, does not make someone a sponsor, so Ross doesn't have anything to worry about, yet.

could have just watched the video where this is all explained

>>1590055 If (((they))) actually go though with something like this, I can see the fabled 2nd industry crash finally happening. Trust in the industry is at an all-time low with lay-offs happening at record pace, despite even great sales for some games, and if they were shown to be openly and getting away with killing any opposition that asked for something as simple as owning your games and allowed to play them past end of life; that's not a straw that's breaking the camel's back, that's an anvil. No way could they bury this.

>>1590275 >If (((they))) actually go though with something like this, I can see the fabled 2nd industry crash finally happening. Trust in the industry is at an all-time low with lay-offs happening at record pace, despite even great sales for some games, and if they were shown to be openly and getting away with killing any opposition that asked for something as simple as owning your games and allowed to play them past end of life; that's not a straw that's breaking the camel's back, that's an anvil. No way could they bury this. Bury youtube drama celebs sucked off to make money?

>>1589983 >Literally "just trust me bro" I know Ross is behind this (even though he's literally not a part of it whatsoever) Fucking lol actual schizo shit

>>1590931 That animation is cute. That's not SFM, is it? That's Blender in the style of SFM.

>>1590948 I assume it is blender.

>>1590931 I have to say I'm mildly disappointed that hyper realistic Ross didn't burst through the door.

I'll just mention that PC games are harder to kill because people can actually reverse-engineer said games. Titanfall 2 players wrote their own private server software through reverse-engineering when the official servers got fucked to oblivion by hackers. Shit like this never happens on console games because of the cancerous consumer-hostile DRM that plagues them.

>>1591341 (me) I'll just be fair and also mention that being a PC game isn't enough to be immune from being killed. Overwatch 1 barely had any community effort going into private server development because the game has anti-tamper tech with fuck tons of encryption, and the client basically has nothing useful in it. Titanfall 2 on the other hand is Source and Source game clients usually ship a lot more stuff that is useful for private servers

>>1591341 >>1591370 It's worth remembering that dead games were really a PC phenomenon first. Obviously it started with MMOs and online games (if they weren't an MMO they were probably free to play) which people may have lamented but it wasnt really an example of developers literally screwing the game. I don't think we saw single player games start to get fucked by online DRM until about the mid 2010’s- Darkspore, which Ross covered, fits the bill for that and shut down in 2016. There might be examples earlier than that but I can't think of them, before that it's all online games or online features being shut down. Consoles were basically unaffected because, until the 8th gen/Xbox One/PS4 era, they were expected to run any game offline, IE, console owners might not have an internet connection. And even in 2013 you might remember the fallout from microsoft telling a guy "Oh youre on a submarine? Just play xbox 360 lol" The same goes for stuff like Xbox Live Arcade games if they were single player for the most part.

>>1594112 >Consoles were basically unaffected because, until the 8th gen/Xbox One/PS4 era You've reminded me of Diablo III that was always online on PC, but the 360/PS3 version supported offline mode.

>>1590931 Wonderful. In just over a minute he also clarified that you need to be European and that it is not retroactive. I love Miku's face during the "You AAARREEE Europea, right?" moment.

>>1594112 >Consoles were basically unaffected Until they started making shit there also online-only where you can't even do any reverse-engineering. What's your point?

>>1594529 He said "were." His whole point was just to show where it started. Your retort was "until later!," which doesn't contradict and is already implied by his point. His point is to remind the anon he was replying to about history, to add on to the point in the second post he was quoting.

>>1594921 True, I overreacted. It's just I'm tired of the console bias on this board

>>1540204 All this mess reminded me of what happened to Loadout.

>>1595356 What happened to Loadout? 5 seconds on the Steam page shows that it was an online FPS that got shuttered back in 2018 which has been kept alive by a very dedicated community.

>>1595356 Heh, I remember I had an AoE healing rocket launcher called the Obamacare. Simpler times. >>1594529 The point I'm really getting at, is just being on PC doesn't make games a lot safer. It's the PC environment where nasty DRM and unnecessary online components originated, and the dead game problem started. Historically, publishers havent been as concerned with console piracy, just region locking disc drives and banning modded consoles from online was enough for them. Modding a console used to be something you had to know a guy in hong Kong for, though not any more (I remember my Chinese friend brought home a modded OG Xbox in like 2003 and had N64 games on it). Oh, and dont get me started on Microsoft's repeated attempts to console-ize the PC space such as Games For Windows Live and their encrypted, sandboxed Apps introduced in W8 that are sabotaged to run worse than their console versions (Forza Horizon 3 got hit hard). Of course the console space is rapidly becoming worse. I'm pretty sure Switch 2 game key cards are basically everything Microsoft wanted for the Xbox One back in 2013 but canceled after public backlash. Nintendo fans (or maybe just zoomers) are too dumb to see or care how theyre being screwed.

https://x.com/OwlcatGames/status/1948008673814421780 owlcat coming out in support haha remember when they tried to slide in spyware with an update changing the eula. good times.

>>1596823 Please use an archival website or at the very least a screenshot next time https://archive.ph/hHWue

>>1596648 >stop killing games thread <mechanics by which games are killed on different platforms is console war bullshit

>>1598061 You can see how the artist wanted give boob window for the fox girl, but woke PR said no.

>>1596648 Aren't those "game key cards" transferrable, though? That does remove the most egregious issue from E3 2013 (at least the issue that seemed to make people the most mad and that Sony "won" by replying to). Of course, it's still a major step in the direction of what MS wanted, but it's not "basically everything they wanted." It removes perhaps the most significant thing. It allows used games. But I don't have a Switch 2, so maybe I'm totally wrong about how those cards work.

>>1598061 >>1598074 >wanted boob window >hmofa edit lol. tfw no foxs gf

>>1598061 Must be easy for them since they never release a finished product anyway.

>>1598061 >>1598074 When boobplate and cleavage becomes normalized again that's when you know nature has truly begun to heal. Until that point everything is a false positive.

>>1598380 Aye, fictional works are not to be censored by cocksucking faggots with ulterior motives.

>>1598380 Not saying I support purposeful censorship and puritanical creative stifling but I do find that tasteful clothing choices and aesthetics > explicit boob and sex appeal. Leaves more to the imagination and nice clothes/armour go a long way in enhancing the look and raw sexo levels of a character.

>>1598809 Yes... For you!

>>1598809 Man I want a goat gf like this

>>1598331 ayyyyyyyy

Ross Scott has gotten over $17,000 in donations this month so far, breaking his previous record. That's close to an entire year's income in Poland. I wonder what he'll do with the money?

How long do we usually have to wait before the EU gubmint responds?

>>1600639 >I wonder what he'll do with the money? ur mum

>>1601239 fuck!

How would SKG work for consoles anyways? PC it's easy enough to change some files and allow direct connection/connect to arbitrary server, Last I heard (which is a long time ago mind you) console makers charged money to release patches, and they definitely don't like games being freely changeable or let anyone see their proprietary code. Would publisher bankruptcy clear them of any obligation to keep the game playable and let them leave it broken?

>>1601270 Jewtendo at least lets you host Splatoon games on your Switch by forwarding ports to it so there's that, but that's a far, far cry from dedicated servers. I reckon console manufacturers don't ever want to give people the ability to just type in arbitrary IP addresses to connect to because that's hecking unsafe or something

>>1601241 yes, exactly that

>>1600639 >I wonder what he'll do with the money? I expect he'll buy a better vr head set, maybe upgrade his pc.

>>1601270 Why would consoles get a free pass, just because they were happily shitting all over consumers previous? If anything, their behaviour might convince the lawmakers to go harder on them specifically. >Would publisher bankruptcy clear them of any obligation to keep the game playable and let them leave it broken? They might be required to pay in advance for an end-of-life plan, who knows. Also bankruptcy fraud is sucidically dangerous unless you have max luck IRL a la DSP.

>>1601270 >How would SKG work for consoles anyways? P2P or self hosting I guess, plus in general the console games do have an offline/single player mode, thus not being totally broken once the servers go down.

>>1598061 I knew I recognized this girl. One of the character portraits for Wrath of the Righteous.

>>1602608 It may be worth whipping up a list of console-specific games that have been killed and as a result can't be played at all anymore to make it clearer to console fags they're getting fucked too. Come to think of it, how many online-only console-specific games are there? Or, were there, in this case.

>>1602881 The Crew also got shut down on consoles, so there's that.

>>1598035 >>1602899 I removed the ban message, I already talked to Mark about it and overmoderation in general, sorry for the inconvenience.

>>1602881 mold man has a spreadsheet, its not comprehensive since many games are missing but you can add whats not there https://stopkillinggames.wiki.gg/wiki/Dead_game_list

>>1540204 https://youtu.be/VIqyvquTEVU?t=270 now that I think about it can't you go the store where you bought the disc and demand a refund?

>>1603711 He's generally pretty good now, despite how board shitposters whine about him. He was a lot worse in 2010s, but the Switch 2 has brought out his inner janny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nso9U0jlGfY Reminder that Hatena too was killed

>>1604992 thx for posting that I guess the 'digital native' they used to call us was more poignant than they intended.

>>1605378 >a need for someone slapping their mega dicks on the table /r/ that webm of Steve raping Banjo, but Banjo's replaced by Ubisoft

>>1605726 I want every single AAA company to be raped dead They legalized underage gambling

>>1605378 >exploited by lawyers just looking to get paid (again) I don't doubt it since bloodsucking kike lawyers sandbagging cases to extend their (((legal fees))) is part of the reason I look down on "just lawsuit bro" (ask Vic Mignogna), but I didn't know Notch sued someone.

>>1604992 Luckily, there were a handful of autists who managed to archive most of the animations on https://archive.sudomemo.net/ There's also a flipnote player someone made that also can convert them to mp4 or gif. https://flipnote.rakujira.jp/

>>1605812 hell yeah

>>1605378 This makes me more enthusiastic about our chances

>>1595367 What happened was that the European Union changed some policies regarding servers, and this affected the small company, which already had a huge influx of players all at once at that moment (the game was a boom like early fornite) They went bankrupt because they couldn't afford the old servers change to the new servers, and the European Union asked them to shut down the old servers that were no longer valid, so they went bankrupt and the game died. It was like Battle Royale + TF2 + gore + no-family friendly fun, which is something Fortnite will never be. I think it had some pay-to-win elements, but it was decent and addictive.

>>1606997 What changes, to be more precise?

>>1605783 >I didn't know Notch sued someone. he bankrolled Karl Jobst legal battle with The King of Kong. Karl got himself some very expensive layers to defend himself and still lost, "Your Honor he emulated a Video Game" XD

>>1608033 The hilarious thing about that was Jobst was right about Billy cheating. The evidence of that was pretty clear. The problem is that wasn't why Billy was suing him. Billy sued him because Karl alleged in one video Billy's actions lead to someone's death and he refused again and again to recant and kept lying to his audience (and Notch) that Billy was suing him over the cheating allegations. The upshot being everyone hates Karl now for being a lying scammer and now people think Billy is funny (even though still obviously a cheater).

>>1608033 1. The case was about Apollo's suicide, not about the cheating. 2. Notch's lawyer told Karl to settle, Karl fired him. Conclusion: I see Bill is still wasting his money/time to defend his blatantly fake claim to fame.

>>1608058 I've seen Billy Mitchell's refutation and I gotta say that 1) he sounds completely different from the sperging cuck that people always claim he is, he's more of a "holier than thou" sounding guy who keeps responding to any provocation and 2) the arguments he makes in his favor sound completely reasonable, even if they do not entirely clear him of the cheating allegation. The tl;dw is that he claims that the rules at the time of his alleged high score did not disallow for replacing parts of a cabinet, because so long as the underlying hardware of the game (not the controllers, the screen, the coin slot etc.) were comparable to the original hardware, and the replacement parts compatible, it was still deemed legal. Additionally, he also claims that swapping parts with first party made items was (and apparently still is) a nightmare, which means that it used to be preferable just using an altered cabinet than ordering a new one entirely. I still don't think it has ever put him in the clear, but it's obvious that he has enough plausible deniability to keep suing people.

I've made one post here already why it is pointless to go to the EU. I will make another, since the EU is also attempting to de-anon the internet with age verification just like Britain. The EU needs to be destroyed, not sought after for help.

>>1606997 >>1608020 Ah yeah now I remember. It was GDPR. https://www.pcgamer.com/free-to-play-shooter-loadout-will-shut-its-servers-later-this-month/ Which turned out to be a real disappointment because in the end it did very little to protect privacy as intended once companies figured out the loopholes. I don't know if Loadout was P2W when they shut it down in 2018 but during the time I played it, they strictly had cosmetics on sale which felt very fair for a free to play game. On thinking about it, Monday Night Combat got killed by GDPR as well: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/super-monday-night-combat-shutting-down There might be others but thats the two I can remember and also the only ones I see any articles about. They were both games designed years before and barely chugging along with a small userbase. I don't think SKG has the potential to backfire like this, and GDPR wouldnt have if it had a grandfather clause like the proposed SKG law, but that is one reason people are wary of EU consumer regulation on their vidya.

Ross's new video, an FAQ for developers (WITH developers) on how to make games comply with SKG irrespective of government mandate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXy9GlKgrlM

>>1545388 https://inv.nadeko.net/embed/QOK-Uoq5aWA? There's a video about a guy making a backup for digital XBOX games onto discs. I wonder if the same thing can be done for PS5. >>1556920 I prefer Harmful Opinion's videos when it comes to talking about people like Jason in good detail. At least HO is very articulate on his arguments that doesn't boil down to sensationalism.

>>1609877 Have we given up on this? Zero interaction in days, even with two new Ross videos? New option available to get law passed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6vO4RIcBtE

>>1614162 Sorry, the whole thing with the UK and trying to see what got affected and spreading the news about the US law tired me out quite a lot. I'll get to this asap.

>>1614162 I think we're past the first stage of SKG and now we wait for the EU's response. The problem is that these last 2 weeks discourse has been completely taken over by censorship and payment processor bs, and people need to push back just like we pushed for SKG. This is a nice new alternative. Hopefully it's used to bring up both issues.

>>1614162 Okay, just watched it. Give me some key pointers I can use in my response. I mostly wanted to articulate that the End Of Life processes are completely doable, since there are plenty of games that currently exist and allow people to create, maintain and even discontinue their own servers running the same game, at no additional cost for the developer, with safeguards for vulnerable groups (since connection to the servers requires knowing the IP and port separately from the game in question, meaning that you will only ever connect to places you already implicitly trust).

>>1609877 That presentation was written by a bunch of midwits. Why the fuck is there a "What is a virtual machine" section? It's like an LLM trained on coding consultants wrote the script it's so vacuous. They completely failed to address the complaints from the industry, and may even bolster them. They offer three solutions that all amount to "lol you're shipping three extra products now but you're giving them out for free" The presentation would have actually been useful if they actually went around and [i]identified aspects that inhibit self-hosted services[/i] and then [i]explored some possible mitigations[/i]. I.e. hardcoded server addresses can be dealt with many ways, including local proxies or firewall rules, it's practically a non-issue DRM checks and server keys, however, are an actual issue and they barely discuss it and again pretend the only option is to release a product to the customer. I'm mad.

>>1620003 >[i]

>>1620003 >oversimplify and exaggerate the issues with the presentation with mostly vague, irrelevant and meaningless criticisms >be mad even though their allegedly shitty argument would still benefit the customer the most if what you believed was actually true Shut the fuck up.

Stop Killing Games has ended with 1,448,270 signatures The ECI is now over, now we wait for the EU debate.

>>1620034 < [i]

>>1621313 Okay, you've done the expected pissing on everyone's parade, now do you have something constructive to say or will this be another episode of "I don't want solutions I just want to bitch"? Or the ever popular "The only solution to anything is bloodshed."?

>>1621181 I'm glad that it ended this way after the months where there were little-to-no signatures, mostly thanks to Pirate Software sabotaging it when it started and needing momentum. Now all that's left is to wait, though I do fear that the UK will fuck it up, what with the censorship/age restriction debacle going on over there right now.

>>1621313 >will react by increasing vidya prices Lol good luck with that. Randy Bitchford and Obsidian tried to do the 80 dollar thing with Borderlands 4 and Outer Worlds 2 and pathetically backed down when they saw their pre-order numbers. Even Sony admitted internally that GoW Ragnarok would have made more money priced at 60. It turns out normalfags do have an upper limit they're willing to spend. So if they raise their prices they'll just die, which is fine by me. Bring on the fucking crash.

>>1605378 >notch >trying to focus on making a game L O L

>>1621458 he didn't say "finish a game"

>>1621434 People don't have a lot of decency or standards... but people do have decency and standards.

>>1621358 >chat, you guys just don't understand >I did all of that on purpose >I saved your movement >chat, I worked at blizzard, I know what I'm doing >you guys don't think my little drama saved SKG? you guys just don't understand >I worked at blizzard btw

>>1622327 Did he work at the sexual assault department

>>1622376 Close but no, he worked in thebreast milk department.

>>1622327 Does he have a ferret named Lemmywinks?

>>1621358 Oh! Exeruchan spotted.

>>1622327 He already looked punchable but the fact that he worked at Blizzard makes me want to try a home run with his face.

>>1620519 Yes, that is the one thing they did right: If publishers/lawmakers take this seriously then publishers will serve gamers maximally. But I've sat through so many software consultancy meetings with verbatim echoes of those exact advices that it just feels like wasted or counterproductive effort.

>>1622376 i would forgive him if that was the case

>>1622376 he's a hacker guys

>>1622895 >I'm a hacker guys I was a hacker for 200 years I banned all the cheaters >BORN TO HACK >SKG IS A FUCK >I am Blizzad man >410,757,864,530 BANNED CHEATERS I agree that kernel level anti-cheat is borderline malware but why did he just draw a box. I was expecting him to do something with that box

>>1622895 >Grab the code cave. >Removed the polymorphic. Someone else used those words and now he uses them because they make him sound smart

>>1622666 Do the non-midwits really need it explained to them that it's possible to not kill games?

>>1609877 >>1614162 Reencoded these videos to fit within the upload limit. First one is obviously shit with broken seeking but it is what it is, it's an entire hour plus vid at 1080p.

>>1609877 >>1614162 Reencoded these videos to fit within the upload limit. First one is obviously shit with broken seeking but it is what it is, it's an entire hour plus vid at 1080p.

>>1609877 >>1614162 Reencoded these videos to fit within the upload limit. First one is obviously shit with broken seeking but it is what it is, it's an entire hour plus vid at 1080p.

>>1622895 Just learned the first short he's ever done in that style is about, and I shit you not, Imposter Syndrome.

>>1627610 This is a newer one I think. Here's an older one.

>>1626184 Yeah, the first one never even posted. I don't figure you'll get an hour compressed into something watchable at 30 megs.

>>1627615 Yeah that's the one

It still disgusts me that e-celeb dramamongering had to be resorted to get any of the niggercattle to care because they outright didn't with the basic argument that "it's literally not letting a corporation assfuck you like you're used to, you complacent fucks". Even with a consumer victory, my regard for human beings goes to shit.

>>1628222 Most of this thread is dramashilling for money.

>>1628222 The goat knew it from the get go.

>>1628222 Unfortunately NPCs are too retarded to think on their own. They are like cows, they'll stand on the railway if you don't tell them to move even if a train is rapidly closing by.

Was the site dead for several hours for anyone else? Anyway, another new Ross video, finally summing up the whole thing and talking about how he's completely burnt the fuck out and just wants to get back to Freeman's Mind and Game Dungeon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNkwxlLdkSo

>>1630996 He deserves a break. I can only imagine the stress of having your niche game channel get swarmed by a large crowd who would never have cared about it otherwise. Dude went from fixing up old PC racing games to mold Jesus within the spam of a couple of months.

>>1630996 Isn't it the perfect time for him to step back anyway, the initiative is done and all is left now for the initiative and the EU to do their thing.

>>1630996 Good to see everything working out, even if SKG will probably crash and burn long term. Can I uncycle the thread now?

>>1632901 Why did you post the same image five times?

>>1631417 >can I uncycle the thread now Yes.

>>1622327 >>1622895 He's like a honkey version of Jerrel of sungrand studios

>piratesoftware nuthuggers have now retaliated and exposed the fuck out of Mutahar the poojeet The gift that keeps on giving.

>>1630996 >Was the site dead for several hours for anyone else Yeah it was that day. >spoiler Not shocking he needs a break. I can only imagine how stressful it must be trying to keep on top of this. >>1636604 Took them long enough. I was already tired of that faggot the moment I saw him.

>>1636604 >Mutahar the poojeet Literally, fucking, who?

>>1636999 Some Ordinary Gamers. Youtube has probably tried to shill him to you in the past.

>>1636999 I mean he might not have worked 7 years at Blizzard but he has 10 years of engineering experience :^).

>>1631037 >>1636722 Is it bad that I'm weirdly apathetic to the idea he's "done enough"? Like, I get what >>1631327 says about there being nothing much in the interim, but at the same time, normalfag inability to maintain vigilance because it's hard and inconvenient is part of the reason the more motivated sociopaths can run loose. It feels selfish to say, but at the same time it feels like being charitable and lenient is part of what makes shit too awful to tolerate now and I don't want this happening again and again.

>>1637233 You're not wrong, but not everyone can go full Louis Rossmann on his ideals, it would've been good overall for Ross to take that role but on the other hand forcing himself to do something so life changing (and not really in a good way for the most part) if he doesn't fully wants it is a big ask.

>>1621358 Definitely the most fun way for it to end >giant lolcow villain arc >entire games industry caught with their pants down thinking the initiative was dead >everyone giving their energy pure kino

>>1636604 >giving credit to dontpiratesoftware or his fags <when this is really the result of Mutahar having come in contact with a Sonicu Medallion a year ago