I wonder what game‎ it'll have.

>>1834453 Snoystation 5 already has no games so wtf is the Snoystation six going to give us? Negative games? Will they sell 10 consoles total and manufacture 5 because they couldn't produce the ram fast enough? How is this company still not dead?

Why? The current gen has felt like the least essential so far in hardware and games. The PS5 has only just gotten off the ground with Death Stranding 2 and Astro Bot and it's now in in its twilight years. The issue with current gaming has nothing to do with hardware limitations (despite what UE5 devs will say), I'm not sure what a new console would be needed for, more brute forcing bad optimization?

>>1834484 >Negative games? Wasn't that already the case? Games becoming unavailable?

This is actually evern more of a stupid move then you'd assume because there is, for once in the last decade, actual hardware improvements like 3D RAM coming down the line and they are going to miss it. They probably think they can just do PS7 when that happens and double dip but it's just going to turn into WIIU in a setting where they are already all No-Games'd out.

>>1834483 apparently backwards compat with ps4 games is supposed to be a big feature

>>1834483 Bloodborne Racing

Also, are we gonna get PS4+5+6 games now?

>>1834676 Just like the ps5? Just fucking play the same shit over and over? It's appreciated but that won't push new hardware by itself... Jewtendo at least still develop first party titles for their new overpriced hardware.

>>1834484 >Snoy Cuckchan newfaggot

The PS6 actually might have a decent library, AAA dev cycles have ballooned so much that a lot of the games targeting PS5 will come out in time for the PS6 launch. Consider how we're only now getting titles that went into production towards the end of the PS4 like Death Stranding 2 and Ghost of Yotei. By 2027 we'll start seeing all those big games that started development 2021/2022.

>>1834799 >Triple Gay >Good games

Well, I hope the PS6 is underpowered since you know triple A developers are going to do the bare minimum for optimization to reach 30 fps on console anyway.

>>1834797 Yes, thank you for your contribution to the conversation. It was very enlightening. Do you have something else you wanted to share with the class? >>1834799 How the ever loving fuck is a 6 year dev cycle every supposed to be either profitable, focused, or enjoyable in any way? It's just like Bethesda and their games. Balloon so big that it's gonna pop super fast and they won't be able to recoup.

>>1834713 Unless Sony artificially cuts off new PS4 game licensing

>>1834811 BOY I SURE CAN'T WAIT FOR THE THIRD PERSON SLOW AS FUCK WALK-IN-THE-FOREST GAYSTATION EXCLUSIVE #69!

>>1834819 >Do you have something else you wanted to share with the class? Soy

>>1834676 >Buy this new $1000 console to play old games from a console you can get secondhand or just emulate anyway

>>1834799 Id love to see a new sony console with good exclusives but im sure as hell not expecting it after ps4 and ps5 >>1834875 Ive been considering getting a ps4 pro to jailbreak it for a while now, wonder whether the games im interested in have downscaling and 60fps patches Also >emulate what titles are actually playable on the emulators? Bloodborne?

>>1834888 >what titles are actually playable on the emulators? shadPS4 is at roughly 30% of the ps4 library, apparently. ("Ingame" means it's playable, "Playable" means no bugs, don't know why it's like that but almost all emulators use the same terminology)

>>1834799 <PS4 era >Elder Scrolls 6 officially teased in 2018 <PS5 releases >still no ES6, entire time the console exists <PS6 in 2027 >ES6 finally releases "AAA" game release cycles have grown so much that instead of the same game being released on three console generations, it's ENTIRE CONSOLE GENERATIONS BEING SKIPPED by games.

>>1834484 >Negative games? Anti-games. If you install them on a hard drive with an actual game they violently annihilate each other. With Sony's current lineup, that would be the best possible outcome.

>>1834532 At this rate, Playstation 9 isn't going to have any games at all - they'll just ship packets of LSD laced fentanyl so that you can make your own fun.

With the inevitable PS6, would it be backwards compatible with ps4 or would it aim to only accommodate ps5? Since its architecture probably won't be anything different aside from "boosting" what the ps5 did. I can't imagine how much things will change from ps5 to ps6 since it felt like a halfway generation as games are still being published to ps4 even now.

>>1834935 Whole trilogies have released before some of these fucking games and they sell worse, it's mental. These companies are completely talentless and mismanaged.

>>1834453 WHYYYYY THE PS5 NEVER EVEN GOT GOOD. Who even decided consoles needed to be on a specifically seven year lifespan anyways? How much has tech really improved from PS4 let alone PS5 launch? Nobody I know or have seen recently is dying for a new console (outside of like, Vita 2), combined with recent AAA fatigue releasing PS6 within the next 18 months will be a death sentence for Sony and probably put them on the same level as Microsoft. >>1834799 That's also a load of horseshit, dev cycles mostly ballooned due to incompetent mismanagement, hundreds of devs who can't figure out how to model an apple wasting a combined thousands of hours on setpiece design, scrapping full prototype builds, dealing with bureaucratic red tape, I can only imagine the shitshow at AAA studios right now.

>>1836172 They have to release something, though. Despite rumors to the contrary, Microsoft is still on track to put out a Next Gen system - and Microsoft has every incentive to get this generation over with and make the transition to console/PC hybrids as soon as the back-ends are fully developed. Microsoft doesn't see Sony as competition. If Xbox fails too badly, they can always just jettison the division and keep on making all the money on operating systerms, servers, and services. Sony HAS to compete with Microsoft, because even if MS only have a foot in that market, that's still competition to Sony. Playstation is far and away Sony's most profitable division - a core pillar of their entire corporate structure, with their financial services coming in a distant second. They can't afford to not have a new machine on the market to meet competition. That said, Sony's kind of fucked right now. They can't afford to keep making these huge triple and quadruple-gay games without having them on PC. Putting them on PC means, defacto, they get an Xbox release (via Steam). Sony also doesn't have the ability to add in PC functionality, because they make their money from games. Opening up the platform to competing stores would just eat into their bottom line. Microsoft, on the other hand, doesn't give a fuck about games. They want you using Microsoft services and operating systems from which they can scrape telemetry, target ads, and sell you Office365 subscriptions. Buy all the games on Steam that you want, they don't care. They're still getting paid, and they keep their market control. Best best for Sony right now really is to just go the Nintendo route and pull back on AAA development. Open up their catalogue of IPs and start making really fun AA titles that have multiple entries per console generation and which are completely exclusive to Playstation. They can still make AAA games here and there to showcase the hardware, but use the sales of the AA IPs as a barometer as to what people want from a AAA... and switch franchises up. I don't really see an option for them OTHER than to secure exclusivity of first parties, and that will force them to adopt more sustainable development practices.

>>1836216 >Sony's kind of fucked right now. What baffles me is that Sony is only now getting the memo >>1835920 , not only might it be too late for them to course correct, but abandoning their current audience for new waters again would be suicidal >Best best for Sony right now really is to just go the Nintendo route and pull back on AAA development. They should've done it when anons first started suggesting this exact plan years back, Sega's at least announced something similar, I know basically nothing about what Sega's done since bseides announce VF6 (fingers crossed), if they need to start splitting teams or, god forbid, properly downscaling their production to attain that much agility then so be it.

>>1836172 I have to wonder if it's purely corpo FOMO, the PS5 could reasonably go another few years. Its biggest constraint is the unified RAM, which would mostly be used for textures leaving little actual RAM for games. >>1836267 >source is That Park Place Not to be taken seriously.

>>1836286 >the PS5 could reasonably go another few years Bingo, judging by all the PS4 downports, the PS4 clearly could've stuck around as well. >>source is That Park Place Know nothing about the source, how bad is it?

>>1836057 Considering that they are planning to make their new console a handheld home console hybrid i would not count on complete backwards compatibility with ps5, unless they go crazy and include the ps5 silicon for docked mode >>1836172 >Who even decided consoles needed to be on a specifically seven year lifespan anyways? Noone really, companies just started to relase competing consoles few years after each other to compete >Nobody I know or have seen recently is dying for a new console (outside of like, Vita 2) Its crazy that vita had more exclusives than the ps5 and this piece of shit air purifier sold 5 times more units

>>1836298 >Know nothing about the source, how bad is it? Do you know what wishcasting is? That's TPP, it's fantasy hype and ragebait for anti-woke people. <[culture war topic] MADE ZERO (0) DOLLARS ($), ALL STAFF MEMBERS COMMIT SUICIDE <IN 15 SECONDS EA'S CEO WILL EXECUTE ENTIRE EXECUTIVE BOARD ON LIVE TELEVISION AND REMOVE ALL WOMEN FROM POSITIONS OF POWER Not that other outlets are "good", but they don't generally blatantly invent stories.

>>1836298 Isn't PS6 supposed to have a bunch of "revolutionary" AI features specifically built in? They may feel like they need to upgrade the hardware in order to get out ahead of where the market will be in the next eight years. That said, AMD provides their chipset - so expect AI implementation to be about as impressive as console Ray Tracing despite being hailed as a paradigm shift in games. At the very least they're being a bit more pro-active, rather than finally discovering that solid state drives were a thing and trying to convince everyone that a standard off the shelf NVME drive was some crazy magic sauce that would make all games 150% better for reasons.

>>1836314 >That said, AMD provides their chipset I mean AMD isn't doing as bad in the AI department as they are in the RTRT so it could actually be decent. >rather than finally discovering that solid state drives were a thing and trying to convince everyone that a standard off the shelf NVME drive was some crazy magic sauce that would make all games 150% better for reasons. The magic sauce wasn't strictly that it was also giving the ability to the GPU to access storage directly without having to first go through the CPU and main system memory, but as it turns out it's really not that much of a bottleneck (hell every "revolutionary" stuff they made runs off a SATA SSD just fine).

>>1834453 >Within 18 months, the current gen will be over. Did the current gen even begin yet?

Bloodborne station, Nothing station, Nothing station 2. Amazing trilogy.

>>1834484 >>1834585 I suppose it's time for them to move onto imaginary games. Oh, no, they already do that too. Uh...

Will it have more than 1 game?

>>1836855 >Did the current gen even begin yet? No

With Xbox being dead and there being no competition the price will be incredible.

>>1837308 I blame Apple. Seriously, if they can charge retards $1,000 for a fucking monitor stand (not even that monitor, just the goddamned stand), then why wouldn't every retard with brand recognition charge insane prices for hardware? Why market an affordable device to a hundred end users when you could gouge the fuck out of one Saudi cock sucker and make 2-3x the profit?

>>1837271 No, but that one game will be ASTRO BOT 2 BAYBEEEEE It'll probably see a lot of games were intended for PS5, but will end up launching on PS6.

>>1834453 I noticed that the PS5 didn't outsold its previous predecessors (even been roughly behind by two GameBoy consoles), which begs the question if the new PlayStation could even surpass the 5th console in terms of sales. In my opinion, they should at least go to the route of making an actual good portable console like the PSP to compete with the Switch 2, but knowing how they fucked with the Vita, that's not possible.

>>1838379 To be fair, those systems have been out for a lot longer. I'm always surprised the PS4 so significantly outsold the PS3, which was much better for games. I'm assuming that's due to the historic Xbone and Wii U flubs.

>>1838379 >Playstations regularly sell in the range of 100 million You'd think that with that many consoles being sold, that Sony would actually take the time to make the user experience actually usable. I don't have a PS5, but the Playstation Store on PS4 is damned near unusable and lacks basic features. Half the fucking screen is just wasted space - so you have to crawl through it three games per line. The way I hear it, Sony had no fucking clue what they were doing when they first set the store up on PS3 (hence the hacks) and now they're stuck with that infrastructure or risk nuking a bunch of people's purchase histories and licenses in a migration to a more robust system. Maybe they bit the bullet and fixed it for PS5, but that sure as fuck hasn't translated to improved UI or features for PS4.

>>1838387 >PS3 was better for games Fuck no, plus it was stupidly expensive for 2 years >>1838439 Every modern UI developer is a hack from Television services and mobile games. Fucking Activision hired the guy who made the menu for Hulu to work on COD.

>>1838387 Yeah PS4 had the entire 8th generation market to themselves basically. Plus it wasn't comically overpriced like the PS3 was, the PS3 was a genuine disaster for Sony.

>>1839658 >Fuck no Are you saying the PS4 had a better library than the PS3? Are you high?

>>1843648 >Are you saying the PS4 had a better library than the PS3? Are you high? I mean, PS3 didn't have Gravity Rush - and the game that it's most well known for is TLOU, which inspired Sony to burn down most of their development houses and IPs chasing the walkie-talkie sad dad genre. PS4's most well known game is Bloodborne. If you're just talking sheer numbers, I guess the PS3 did have a much better library - but PS4 had better peaks. Wipeout in VR was pretty fun too

>>1843910 >PS4 had better peaks. idk mang, Bloodborne was good but I Dont think it was better than every single PS3 game ever made

>>1839658 >>1843910 The PS4 had like, five good games. The PS3 had dozens upon dozens. People let the first awkward year of the PS3's life dictate its entire existence, by generation's end PS3 easily had the best library of the three. Don't let early 360 nostalgia cloud your judgement.

>>1844642 PS3 had dozens. I think almost every third party exclusive is no longer exclusive as its been sent to PC long ago. I think its worthwhile third party exclusives are now "only" the console version of EX Troopers, 3D Dot Game Heroes (the developer still exists but is now middleware development only), Metal Gear Solid 4+dual analog Peace Walker (both of which are almost certainly getting ported to PC right now, though quality may not be up to snuff) and Xillia 2 (also almost certainly getting ported) First party is Demons Souls, Tokyo Jungle, the only good re-release of Shadows of the Colossus, and maybe some of the Rachet and Clank games?

>>1845087 >I think almost every third party exclusive is no longer exclusive Not true at all, plenty of 7th Gen games don't have any PC ports. Here's the list, there's probably more, same goes for the 360 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:PlayStation_3-only_games Every machine had a different architecture during that time, teams were smaller and Microsoft was shafting PC every chance they got so plenty of games remained exclusive. Plenty of niche titles still, somehow, since both platforms were pushing nothing but AAA trash from 2009 forward.

>>1834819 Loser spotted.

>>1834453 They will cancel it just a few months after release, if it ever releases in the first place. My bet is that soyny is lying about a possible PS6, in order to steal from investors again, then declare later on that: >"difficulties and circumstances caused the decision to cancel it's production" before it even "releases"m because the cucksole itself never existed in the first place

>>1836172 I have a PS5 and a Switch but for me all of this shit is very new since I actually skipped last gen entirely. I have an absolutely enormous backlog of games I can get to and there is just no way in hell I will be able to play all of this. So yeah I'll be skipping PS6 especially since I am sure its going to be pushing digital download far more than everything they did before. This is where the industry is headed. You will own nothing....

>>1834797 I will call SIE by the name snoy until they fire all the westoids and move the HQ back to japan, it's that simple.

>>1834799 By what devs exactly? Snoy has burned so many bridges I don't even think they have any panic button to have someone that would make a game aside from insomaniac, who are still glued to the wolverine game and their other capeshit project. Japanese devs? The AA ones left snoy by the late PS4 and by now some are even starting to drop PS support entirely and even loyal AAAs like square enix and crapcom are bailing out. Westoid devs? They will still take a decade to make a game due to bureaucracy involved with outsourcing everything to a gorillion pajeets and games will only start to come out by the time the PS7 is announced, assuming SIE even lasts that long.

>>1852337 polyphony digital

>>1852346 >polyphony digital Who's last good game was on the PS2

>>1852504 5 was better

>>1852333 >>1852337 >snoy Retard spotted.

>>1852333 >>1852337 You absolute retarded cuckchan mongoloid!

>>1852504 You can pretty much say the same about all sony's fisrt party devs

>>1834453 Just in time for Rockstar to double dip with GTA 6. And the normalfags will no doubt enjoy buying the same game twice, and then a third time on PC.

>>1845087 by that logic the PS1 and PS2 have no games either since all got ported to PC

>>1872702 Are you insinuating that the PC singularity is a bad thing?

>>1872978 no but PCs are really fucking expensive. gaming is on its way to being a boomer hobby with how expensive things are getting. you basically need to spend $5000 if you want native 4K at 60s at maximum settings, and that's WITHOUT ray tracing. how the fuck can people afford that shit is beyond me

>>1873094 >you basically need to spend $5000 if you want native 4K at 60s at maximum settings, and that's WITHOUT ray tracing. That depends heavily on what you're playing, you can get a sub 1k setup for the same resolution and framerate depending on target titles

>>1873094 You aren't playing native 4k at 60FPS on console, so why bother getting a pc like that? If you aren't interested in playing new shit, you can build a great pc for cheap and play anything from the 70's through the early 2020's.

>>1873106 almost all modern games are unoptimized trash so you basically need a 5090 for them to play at 4K60 max settings >>1873114 >You aren't playing native 4k at 60FPS on console who's comparing to console? it's the reason I don't play on console 4K is the BARE MINIMUM in 2025. 1080p is obsolete and 1440p is a gay cope resolution. the only real reason to play modern games is to look at shiny graphics, so no reason not to play at 4K60 max settings

>>1873114 Yeah, if you're playing at a desk then 1440p is the sweet spot, and if you're playing from the couch on a large-screen TV then 1440p upscaled to 4k is the way to go. You can build a decent 1440p machine that will run circles around consoles for about $1,000 easy, or buy one off the shelf for $1,500.

>>1873131 >4K is the BARE MINIMUM in 2025. 1080p is obsolete and 1440p is a gay cope resolution. >the only real reason to play modern games is to look at shiny graphics, so no reason not to play at 4K60 max settings Oh, ok... you're not being serious at all. Well nevermind then.

>>1834453 I hope playstation as a brand goes up in a ball of fire like xbox. Fuck 'em, they've been doing retarded shit like not having the full JP audio track on US homeports for a long time. And it certainly didn't help when they moved their headquaters to california. i'm still mad about what they did to the vita and japan studios. i miss kat.

>>1873403 forgot pic.

>>1873403 Being fair to Sony; the Vita was a flop. You can argue that's due to bad marketing and an overpriced system, but it was a flop nonetheless and they had valid business reasons to cease support. The idea they sunk it intentionally is nonsensical.

>>1873436 Did the Vita failed because it's a good system or is a good system because it failed?

>>1873522 It failed because Sony marketed it like shit, they were literally pushing COD and AAA shit on it for as the main appeal for this on the West for fuck sakes.

>>1834532 >Why? Because the PS5 has been an incalculable catastrophe. The install base is so small that snoy has lost basically all of its biggest exclusive feeders, even Square Enix is out. You could release GTA6 right now as a PS5 exclusive and it would flop guaranteed. >>1872978 it is a bad thing it's the same argument for why weed shouldn't be legalized from a pothead pov if snoy and microshit start getting away with selling games for $100 a pop on PC (and they can) or whatever other retarded bullshit they come up with, what the fuck is Steam gonna do?

>>1873436 I think you're retarded, don't speak about things you're completely ignorant about. What happened with the Vita is directly tied with the American branch of Sony taking control of the company, it was clear sabotage and this has been shown numerous times in discussions about this topic on the board. The Vita was the equivalent of what happened with the Sega Saturn but for Sony.

>>1874801 >if snoy and microshit start getting away with selling games for $100 a pop on PC (and they can) or whatever other retarded bullshit they come up with, what the fuck is Steam gonna do? Who fucking cares what Steam does? If people don't want to pay $100 and the industry collapses, well then sucks to be working in the fucking industry then doesn't it? You can always just buy better indie games instead, pirate it, or wait for a sale. Those "$100" AAA slop titles always end up in the bargain bin in 6-8 months anyhow. If some retard is a hundred dollars lighter in the wallet every time "next product" comes out, then it's no skin off of my nose. Not like the sales price has any effect on the quality of the title anyhow - unlike loot boxes, battle pass, and other GaaS mechanics which actively shit up the game so that you're inclined to pay out more and more in order to make the game slightly less shit.

>>1874889 >If some retard is a hundred dollars lighter in the wallet every time "next product" comes out, then it's no skin off of my nose. I can't believe there's still people who think like this where the fuck have you been the last 15 years? World of Warcraft used to get dogged on heavy for having a $13 sub fee on top of having to buy the game, now it has: >Buy Game >Buy expansion >Buy Sub >shop with cosmetics >shop with mounts >shop with pets >shop with toys >Legal multiboxxing (buy more accounts or you cannot engage in gathering and crafting in any meaningful way) >Legal RMT <Let me repeat: Legal RMT that the entire fucking game revolves around You know why it's like that right now? Because gook games did it and got away with it. When Black Desert locks you out of grinding unless you buy $500 worth of pets, and gets away with it, every suitfag in every other company looks at games that would otherwise be ok as they are and goes "Hey, why aren't we doing that?" and that's why Blue Protocol which died due to its shop (and gameplay) being garbage, came out again with slightly better gameplay and the shop is now EVEN WORSE than what it was before. They didn't even see it as a problem because they see others getting away with worse. Look at Square Enix, all they make is moviegames (with mtx) and gachashit that would've been outdated 10 years ago, they're like that because Genshit Impact made $4 Billions selling 1 character for $350 despite having no playable content for 4 years Assassin's Creed sells you weapons and currency for real money. In a single player game. what the fuck are you even talking about? It's fine if the entire industry crashes and burns because what, I can still pay $20 for a roguelite 2D sidescroller with a """nostalgic""" pixel artstyle that would've been free on Newgrounds 15 years ago? Let me guess, it's actually self aware and a brilliant metanarrative on videogames as a storytelling medium because the author is an art school dropout who trooned out at 24 and thinks he understands Twin Peaks and can reproduce it? Or what, it's a total nostalgia trip that does nothing at all to be fresh or interesting, like the 500th boomer shooter I've seen this week? Nah, pass. People should not be allowed to have a cash shop on top of a buy+sub model, or to sell mtx in a single player game. The state videogames are in right not is already beyond the pale, that's why Nintendo can fuck you in the ass with a $10 fine for owning a Switch 2 on every game and people will still happily buy Donkey Kong and Pokemon ZA at $80, at least these games aren't designed around a fucking cash shop, making everything tedious and obnoxious so you'll just give in and swipe.

>>1872978 A PC singularity is not a bad thing. However a steam one is, and that's what we have. Steam needs to die for a healthier PC environment unlike what we have right now with them as a defacto effective monopoly with zero incentive to improve and instead they keep wasting time and money in shit nobody gives a fuck about like the deckard instead of making it so their fucking client doesn't lag to shit due to being a glorified chrome instance with a coat of paint.

>>1873137 I'm only telling the truth. you think people actually play games for """fun"""? lmfao

>>1875054 >a PC singularity is not a bad thing I disagree personally. PC's hardware cycle is more fucked than consoles. Companies making games for PC are increasingly and intentionally putting pressure on consumers to upgrade to the newest yearly overpriced GPU upgrade, thats not even mentioning shit like what crypto in the past and AI in the future will do to prices and supply. At least with consoles you had to wait about 6-7+ years before a new one could try to rape your wallet. Plus the fact that the OS situation for PCs are fucked, it's either use the privacy and UI nightmare that is Winjews or jury-rig a solution on loonix that has less compatibility in terms of software, and works poorly on Nvidia products which has the overwhelming market share (and by extension, the best support from games) for GPUs.

>>1875139 both platforms are completely fucked nowadays consoles >cheap entry, but way mor expensive in the long run (paid online, more expensive games, overpriced accessories) >ultra-locked down hardware >worse than PC low settings. at least when the PS3/360 were new they were equivalent to high settings on PC >hard stop when support ends. no more games fro your hardware. PC >expensive as fuck if you want 4K60, specially now due to overpriced GPUs and unoptimized games >most games are console ports >have to be tech savvy to fix problems >requires shit ton of spyware to install >HAVE to use Steam for some reason despite the PC being an open platform >HAVE to use a desktop that no non-gaymer uses since iGPUs are now good enough for everything else. desktops take a shit of of space

>>1875139 >>1875167 PC isn't completely depedent on newer games so it's still good

>>1875498 For more than a decade I've heard only 2 good arguments for buying a console and both were situational. One was from wifecucks and the other was from traincucks.

>>1875498 Its cheaper to get an older console of choice and mod it than it is to pay for those faggy incomplete subscriptions

>>1852538 Not in this timeline.

>>1875498 >All the games Barely anything considering the massive library available. >Even the Xbox has backwards compatability with games dating back to the original Xbox Also lacking tons of games >For a small fee It ain't small (unlike your benis) and I ain't paying

>>1875574 Anyone with a brain hacks their consoles. >>1875549 Then you've been looking in terrible places. Emulation for a lot of non-Nintendo consoles was poor for a long, long time. Getting a console and hacking it allows you to play every game available on it without having issues with shit like compatibility that comes with emulation, or just bad PC ports. Even now many of these emulators only reach about 70% compatibility of their libraries and that's after a lot of development and effort, let alone what it was like, say a decade ago. As someone who isn't retarded enough to get into this tribalist bullshit between PC and consoles and enjoyed both my entire life, its fucking embarrassing to see the damage that has been done by this "PC Master Race" meme where people who call themselves gamers somehow don't know that nearly every console can be hacked and you can (usually) play their entire libraries through piracy. Reminds me of that nigger on reddit who destroyed an OG xbox devkit to make a custom PC case for upboats.