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Kusarigama and Other Ninja Gear Strelok 11/14/2021 (Sun) 10:24:43 No. 3529

The kusarigama confuses me. The design itself is perfectly reasonable: It's a flail with a short-range weapon attached for when you get a bit too intimate with your enemy. It leaves me wondering why European flails didn't have a spike on the handle just in case, but whatever. No, the confusing thing about the kusarigama is why a sickle of all things? Why not use a kunai, a hatchet or a pick instead? They are typically seen as ninja weapons and in that regard the obvious answer is to use the sickle as a grappling hook. However, a Japanese sickle would be an absolutely shit grappling hook because the shaft is longer than the blade is wide and that's the opposite of what you want. And even if you do manage to catch something, you're going to be putting half your bodyweight directly onto your carefully sharpened blade so now all you've got is a shitty warpick. A normal pick would make an excellent hook, with the downside of losing your throat-slitting capability. And as for skirting ATF-san? Do you really think your local glow-kokujin is going to believe you when you tell him that you thresh your grain with a meteor flail, and that you do it out in the rice paddy? It would be perfect if you could just stick the chain on with a bow shackle, but I don't know if the nips had anything quite that convenient back then.

Strelok 11/14/2021 (Sun) 10:27:51 No. 3530

Oh, I should mention that while the pommel-mounted design would make a sub-optimal grappling hook and the head-mounted design would be useless, the shaft-mounted design looks like it could work.

Strelok 11/14/2021 (Sun) 12:19:56 No. 3531

>>3529 Something I could see is the chain being detachable in some manner or other, like the metal bit on the butt the chain is fixed to being fixed to the wood by a pin you can pop out with a quick hammerblow. That way, you could easily claim it's just an agricultural tool, as long as you stuff the chain down your pants or something. Ninja weapons in general seem impractical on purpose, requiring huge amounts of training to use effectively, with the idea being that the enemy guards would be unlikely to have much experience fighting against them, while the ninja has experience fighting against the standard katana. As for spikes on European flails: The chain was a good deal shorter there, the flail itself was a short-range weapon. Benefit being, it's much less likely to bash your own head in, so it requires less training.

Strelok 11/16/2021 (Tue) 04:33:17 No. 3532

>>3529 >going to believe you when you tell him that you thresh your grain with a meteor flail Seems like the best cover would be to learn how to thresh grain with the thing. "You thresh grain with that thing?" "You're damn skippy." "The hell you do." "Okay, stand back mother fucker, you're about to see how a pro handles some grain."

Strelok 11/16/2021 (Tue) 06:19:56 No. 3533

>>3529 >No, the confusing thing about the kusarigama is why a sickle of all things? Kama are good weapons and used by themselves, either solo or in pairs. Kusarigama combines the kama with another weapon, the kusarifundo, which is basically something like a slungshot. Putting the two together lets you use both weapons at once. You can also throw the sickle part instead of the weight. There's even a variation of the kusarigama that uses two sickles. Basically it combines a hard weapon with a soft weapon. It's not even the only sort of that kind of weapon either. Also importantly kama and chains or ropes are perfectly reasonable items for peasants to have that aren't likely to get you assraped by a local samurai for having a forbidden weapon. Peasants need to cut grain and weeds. Everyone can use cains or ropes for everyday tasks. >Why not use a kunai Kunai is primarily a digging tool and occasionally an impromptu spearhead or piton for climbing. I guess you could use it a s a rope dart too. But they were made of soft iron so they didn't hold an edge very well.

Strelok 11/16/2021 (Tue) 14:31:08 No. 3534

You're putting the cart before the horse, OP. A ninja pretended to be a buddhist monk or peasant farmer most of the time and rarely if ever stepped foot into ninja garb. The reason their weapons are like that is because they are arguably farming implements (or made to look like farming implements) first and foremost, and weapons second.

filterme#VXAnzg 12/02/2021 (Thu) 10:32:38 No. 3535

>>3533 That first pic does not look like a paint brush to induce blood loss to me. Looks like a crude Cave painting that a caveman thought up. The second one I assume it was common for Samurai to fine you excessively and make you go broke when they find you have any part of this. ( ‵▽′)ψ

Strelok 02/13/2022 (Sun) 23:01:48 No. 3536

>>3529 >>3532 Current events allow me to imagine that oppressors are satisfied with the theatrical exhibition of control, knowing full well that their authority is in constant jeopardy. More control is met with more resistance.

Strelok 02/15/2022 (Tue) 05:42:21 No. 3537

What about the Wind Fire Wheel? It's Chinese not Japanese but it is fairly exotic looking. On the one hand it looks like something that a Wushu movie made up but then again I do know that a couple other similar weapons definitely exist. Chakram were occasionally used as a melee weapon and ninja had a weapon called a kana-wa which is a simple double bladed ring with a handle.

Strelok 02/15/2022 (Tue) 05:48:48 No. 3538

>>3537 Different pic because the site didn't jive with the last one.

Strelok 02/15/2022 (Tue) 07:04:05 No. 3539

Good posts anons. The Chinese wheel weapon is cool looking. Of course the practicality would have me baffled. This could perhaps be a thread for unusual weapons in general, and fuck practicality, because sometimes weapons thrive on aesthetic value.

Strelok 02/15/2022 (Tue) 07:21:22 No. 3540

>>3539 >Of course the practicality I've been thinking about it for a while and the best I can figure is that it gives a really good grip and being sharpened inside and out it makes it a dangerous thing to try and disarm you and your hands are relatively protected since they're doubly guarded. >This could perhaps be a thread for unusual weapons in genera Sounds good to me. From a little more investigation it looks like it may be from a class of weapons that are derived from swords with sharpened hand guards. Meaning that these things are basically just weaponized hand guards.

Strelok 02/15/2022 (Tue) 07:23:15 No. 3541

You can kind of see the descent of the weapon concept from the pics before.

Strelok 02/15/2022 (Tue) 07:58:39 No. 3542

>>3540 I've seen these before.

Strelok 02/15/2022 (Tue) 10:24:59 No. 3543

Why is it mainly Asians that have these retarded and unpractical weapon designs? Look at European weapons. They are practical, simple designs. You only start seeing weird or meme weapons towards the 15th century but one could argue that even those are far more practical than the crap Asians come up with.

Strelok 02/15/2022 (Tue) 15:24:20 No. 3544

>>3543 Because half to three-quarters of those weird and wacky weapons were meant for a deadly performance art meant to please various deities; they weren't designed for the battlefield, they were designed to mystify an audience and the rare cases of someone taking them to the battlefield was almost always for duels and relied on their enemy going 'wtf is this idiot doing' to win. That almost always turned out about as you'd expect with the dancer's head rolling on the ground. The other quarter to half of them were either actually tools that mutated into weapons or intentionally designed so they looked nothing like a reasonable and practical weapon so the authorities wouldn't kill the peasants/monks for having them. When Asians were not making a performance of their combat (or trying to avoid a weapons ban) and were simply doing as the Europeans and crushing their enemy with sheer and utter force, they defaulted to simple, practical designs such as the Jian, Katana (practical in the sense that it was designed for idiots to be able to use it), (plain) Dao, Hyupdo, Yari, Ssanggeom, Guandao and whatnot.

Strelok 02/15/2022 (Tue) 21:36:51 No. 3545

>>3544 >>3543 Africa also has some. Partially because they're status symbols and partly because most of them are derived from boomerangs/throwing sticks.

Strelok 02/15/2022 (Tue) 21:38:24 No. 3546

I might as well post all I've got because I'll never get a better opportunity or have a more appropriate thread.

Strelok 02/15/2022 (Tue) 21:40:16 No. 3547

Strelok 02/15/2022 (Tue) 21:41:43 No. 3548

Strelok 02/15/2022 (Tue) 21:42:30 No. 3549

Strelok 02/15/2022 (Tue) 21:43:40 No. 3550

Strelok 02/15/2022 (Tue) 21:48:12 No. 3551

As you can see the fall into roughly 3 or 4 groups: >modified and ornate metal throwing sticks >highly derived axes >ornate derivatives or straight swords/curved swords

Strelok 02/15/2022 (Tue) 22:06:40 No. 3552

>>3543 >>3544 Also to annoy stupid faggots like you who can't into aesthetics More good posts anon, what are the African throwing axes most commonly called?

Strelok 02/15/2022 (Tue) 23:04:35 No. 3553

>>3552 >what are the African throwing axes most commonly called? They're commonly known mambele, hunga-munga, kpinga, and at least 2 or 3 dozen other names across the region. Actual axes are called nzappa zap.

Strelok 02/15/2022 (Tue) 23:07:42 No. 3554

>>3552 >who can't into aesthetics Strelok, performance art is entirely about aesthetics.

Strelok 02/16/2022 (Wed) 01:40:31 No. 3555

>>3554 I formatted it weird, that was just for the first guy

Strelok 02/16/2022 (Wed) 10:38:56 No. 3556

>>3552 >dumb awkward designs >aesthetic You have shit taste. If you want peak aesthetics then nobody comes even close to European blacksmithing.

Strelok 02/16/2022 (Wed) 11:13:57 No. 3557

>>3551 >>3550 The axes here mostly look like a khopesh made by a man with a sub-60IQ. So much as what you'd expect, really.

Strelok 02/16/2022 (Wed) 17:04:20 No. 3558

>>3557 Everything in >>3550 looks pretty practical actually, except maybe pic 4, which looks a little sketchy to me. Pic 1 and 3 are basically pick/axe hybrids, perfectly functional, pic 2 looks awkward but is actually a throwing design, and 5 is probably meant to catch and control shields and maybe spears, or even other axes.

Strelok 02/16/2022 (Wed) 18:12:48 No. 3559

>>3556 >dumb >awkward They're not. Most of these are throwing weapons remember. With a throwing weapon you ideally want as much blade pointing in as many directions as you can manage to maximize the chance of it sticking in and doing damage. >>3556 >If you want peak aesthetics then nobody comes even close to European blacksmithing. Post some weird European weapons then.

Strelok 02/16/2022 (Wed) 21:35:32 No. 3560

They look cool and weird to me. Anon you are a 56% abomination, you don't get to talk about what looks dumb and awkward.

Strelok 02/17/2022 (Thu) 16:17:34 No. 3561

>>3560 >Likes nigger-tier abominations >calls other people 56%

Strelok 02/17/2022 (Thu) 17:31:30 No. 3562

>>3561 Some of them are well crafted and funky cool. Not something a subhuman NPC can understand without guidance.

Strelok 02/17/2022 (Thu) 17:45:01 No. 3563

>>3560 >56% >NPC Fucking cuckchaners, go back.

Strelok 02/17/2022 (Thu) 19:35:27 No. 3564

If someone lodged a mambele in your thick but empty skull, they'd win for style points alone

Strelok 02/17/2022 (Thu) 22:14:26 No. 3565

>>3545 Is there a practical reason behind the spike pointing the "wrong" way in the third mambele? One would imagine the ideal shape to be as close to a swastika as possible like the first one, and I think the little spike on the top of some of the others you posted could also have some practical usage in that they would catch onto the enemy and act as a fulcrum so the lower spike can swing around and stab them. But I can't think of any logical justification behind that big reversed spike or the barb/axehead on the inside.

Strelok 02/17/2022 (Thu) 23:14:13 No. 3566

>>3565 >Is there a practical reason behind the spike pointing the "wrong" way in the third mambele? I think this is what is going on.

Strelok 02/17/2022 (Thu) 23:27:37 No. 3567

>>3566 Yeah, that's my point: The top spike is just going to turn what could have been a lethal stab wound from the bottom spike into a relatively harmless slashing wound and bounce off into the savanna.

Strelok 02/17/2022 (Thu) 23:36:38 No. 3568

>>3567 I don't know what goes on in the minds of niggers. They can barely do math; obviously this particular hunga munga doesn't add up. I think the internal barb could be part of a trapping system that trap's a person's neck, with the barb delivering the death blow if wanted.

Strelok 02/17/2022 (Thu) 23:39:17 No. 3569

>>3567 Well there is a certain amount of artistry that goes into these things. You'll notice that several of them have very obvious erect phalluses on their back spike and one of them >>3549 the middle one on the 5th pic is a damn coiled snake. If I have to take a wild stab in the dark, I'm going to guess that on that particular knife it's meant to look like bull horns. Cattle are very important to some African tribes.

Strelok 02/17/2022 (Thu) 23:44:45 No. 3570

>>3569 It's fairly stupid if it is meant to be, especially when one could make a beautiful and functional axe-prong that's two prongs forming a disc contour. It would be hilarious if there was another bird beak shaped one with a huge penis. To quote Toucan Sam, "Follow your nose wherever it goes".

Strelok 02/17/2022 (Thu) 23:46:19 No. 3571

>>3569 I'd like to add this is an amazing photo, I am sad that there isn't a wallpaper sized version on google search.

Strelok 02/17/2022 (Thu) 23:51:42 No. 3572

Wait, is Mambele just the most common term in the Anglosphere? Is that the same as the most common, or the prestige term, for throwing axes in Africa? Anyone with deep knowledge here?

Strelok 02/18/2022 (Fri) 00:01:21 No. 3573

>>3569 Actually like the first pic here >>3546. With some lengthening and other modifications, the basic idea could be a sword with prongs at the end to (from a safer distance) pin down an enemy's limb or neck, to keep them from escaping, for reasons like enslavement, or capturing sacrificial victims.

Strelok 02/18/2022 (Fri) 00:03:00 No. 3574

>>3572 I first heard of them by the name hunga munga. I've not got enough knowledge to know if all the various names are just generic terms that various tribes have for these kind of knives or if all the names denote different sub types and variations of these type of weapons. I'm curious to know myself.

Strelok 02/18/2022 (Fri) 00:48:14 No. 3575

>>3574 I looked it up, and mambele and then hunga-munga are the words for them used by the largest ethnicities who used them, so I guess they're the best word choices for them.

Strelok 02/18/2022 (Fri) 01:41:48 No. 3576

>>3566 >>3568 >>3570 It's probably like Japanese sword catchers. Catch and seize an enemy's weapon. Not as elegant as the Japanese, but at least has some deadly throwability

Strelok 02/18/2022 (Fri) 07:57:56 No. 3577

>>3529 What were the other variants on this basic weapon-with-a-chain concept? Surprised no one brought that up. Only reason I haven't posted about them is that I don't remember their names.

Strelok 02/18/2022 (Fri) 21:02:06 No. 3578

>>3577 Do you mean Japanese only or world wide?

Strelok 02/18/2022 (Fri) 21:36:00 No. 3579

I made a mistake, they actually talked about other types early in the thread, but I came here for mambele posting.

Strelok 02/19/2022 (Sat) 20:00:20 No. 3580

>>3579 Well the Chinese do have things like chain whip, meteor hammer, rope dart, and tri-section staff which are all broadly in the same group of soft weapons.

Strelok 02/22/2022 (Tue) 20:19:24 No. 3581

lol, "european flails" >A military flail is a medieval weapon consisting of a short handle attached to a chain, at the end of which is a metal ball. >Only problem is: they never existed. >Despite the weapon’s popularity in pop cultural depictions of the Middle Ages, the flail was almost certainly an invention of the imaginations of later people.

Strelok 02/22/2022 (Tue) 23:21:31 No. 3582

>>3581 Source? It seems pretty unlikely people just decided to retcon a weapon into existence for no reason.

Strelok 02/22/2022 (Tue) 23:34:19 No. 3583

>>3581 >>3582 Even the briefest of searches shows that the ball-and-chain flail appears in early 1400s art. it certainly seems like an impractical weapon, and the art does not prove that they actually existed and were used in combat given all the issues it would have. But it does prove they are not a modern invention.

Strelok 02/23/2022 (Wed) 01:28:48 No. 3584

>>3583 It could mean that they were later misunderstanding of some real earlier weapon.

Strelok 02/23/2022 (Wed) 03:38:54 No. 3585

>>3583 My problem is that flexible weapons are nearly universal. I find it a more likely scenario that there is something modern reconstructionists are missing than people all over Europe and Asia decided to use weapons that "didn't work" for a few hundred years or so. These things are in museums and all over artwork. Looking at the artwork you can see that it's not as if there are a bunch of outlandish weapon designs being used, why would just the one thing be the product of "imagination". The whole thing just seems like a clickbaity narrative pushed by the HEMA larpers on youtube.

Strelok 02/23/2022 (Wed) 03:45:00 No. 3586

>>3583 So you're saying it's a pre-chuuni chuuni meme?

Strelok 02/23/2022 (Wed) 03:48:23 No. 3587

>>3585 >flexible weapons are nearly universal. The specific ball-and-chain flail people think of when they hear "flail" is not so common. But the type of flails that were actually common were usually straight segments with short chains, based on agricultural threshing flails. Those were known to be fielded in significant numbers in Europe, and are more similar to other regions' flail-like weapons (e.g. nunchaku).

Strelok 02/23/2022 (Wed) 07:03:03 No. 3588

What was the function of retarded Euro-pooran spiked flails anyway? Don't maces have the same purpose?

Strelok 02/23/2022 (Wed) 07:27:49 No. 3589

>>3588 It's a force multiplier. Soft weapons are almost like differential gears. They turn a little bit of movement and speed into a lot of movement and speed. The most extreme example of the effect is how a bullwhip "gears up" the force of a person swinging it to the point where it breaks the sound barrier at the tip. Even lesser examples like rope darts or chain whips usually require the user to put a flag or streamer at the end because it ends up moving to fast for the eye to see. They also have some ability to hit around shields which is always a plus.

Strelok 02/26/2022 (Sat) 20:54:58 No. 3590

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Here are some Chinese spear types. They tend to be much more ornate than Japanese pole arms.

Strelok 02/26/2022 (Sat) 20:57:52 No. 3591

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Some more and some Korean pole arms as well. I'm not even sure how that leaf spear is suppose to work.

Strelok 02/26/2022 (Sat) 22:55:55 No. 3592

You're always posting interesting stuff. Do you know a certain set of Filipino knives that some local tribe is proud of? Idk how much of it is justified, but I wonder what their uses would be.

Strelok 02/26/2022 (Sat) 22:58:46 No. 3593

>>3591 Which left spear? The branch like one?

Strelok 02/26/2022 (Sat) 23:25:35 No. 3594

>>3593 >The branch like one? Yes that one. You can tell that these are the same people that created the Seven Branched Sword. >>3592 >Do you know a certain set of Filipino knives that some local tribe is proud of? Do you mean their kris knives or one of their other kinds?

Strelok 02/27/2022 (Sun) 00:13:21 No. 3595

>>3591 >I'm not even sure how that leaf spear is suppose to work. IIRC, it was more or less an experiment on ripping the armor off of horses that didn't go anywhere. I'm not sure if it was that design of spear in particular, but it reminds me of one Korean experimental spear design that ended up proving less than ideal, but looked so hilarious to one of the generals that he commissioned a set of them and forced idiot soldiers to march around carrying them so everyone could see them as idiots. Effectively the spear version of a dunce cap. Pre-Japan Koreans tended to be weird like that.

Strelok 02/27/2022 (Sun) 01:40:03 No. 3596

>>3594 They make an official wooden board for tourists that displays the types. Sorry, that's all I really know, but at least if it gets posted here I'll remember it better.

Strelok 02/27/2022 (Sun) 03:20:24 No. 3597

>>3596 Found it. Weapons of Moroland.

Strelok 02/27/2022 (Sun) 11:11:03 No. 3598

>>3591 As far as I know they are not really weapons, but support "tool", used to protect the formation by blocking enemy blades / fucking with enemy vision / generally being annoying fuck. Its not something that really makes sense without the context of chink pike formations. You could use umbrella for the same effect. Europeans would just put another pike in there.

Strelok 02/27/2022 (Sun) 21:47:38 No. 3599

>>3597 Those bolo type knives down in the lower right corner are probably the best of the bunch.

Strelok 02/28/2022 (Mon) 00:44:05 No. 3600

>>3598 >You could use umbrella for the same effect. I wonder if anyone ever attempted to make something like the metal umbrella from Sekiro?

Strelok 02/28/2022 (Mon) 01:33:20 No. 3601

>>3599 I really wonder what the functions of them all are. I tried to look it up, but hunting the info is tiring.

Strelok 02/28/2022 (Mon) 03:20:10 No. 3602

>>3600 Some guy on youtube did it

Strelok 02/28/2022 (Mon) 09:38:24 No. 3603

>>3581 Only retards think that the European flail didn't exist, as we have both art and surviving specimen from the Middle Ages. On top of that soldiers on both sides in WW1 build their trench raiding clubs as flails. What the retards who question the flail don't understand or deliberately ignore is that flails are basically just battlefield grade blackjacks to hit people who wear head protection. Germans and Austrians build and used trench blackjacks in WW1 much more dangerous than the medieval flail and nobody cared about hitting themselves, because they were build for ambushes and really close quarter fighting.

Strelok 02/28/2022 (Mon) 10:36:38 No. 3604

>>3602 I was meaning historically. Also that youtube version was way to heavy looking.

Strelok 02/28/2022 (Mon) 18:16:21 No. 3605

>>3603 >flails were used in ww1 trenches Neat, I didn't know that.

Strelok 03/01/2022 (Tue) 02:04:17 No. 3606

>>3591 Interestingly, Elden Ring has one of those multi-branched spears. Thought it was kind of interesting.

Strelok 03/01/2022 (Tue) 10:52:14 No. 3607

>>3600 >I wonder if anyone ever attempted to make something like the metal umbrella from Sekiro? I know in Europe they did make metal armor and weapons that look like normal clothing and items. Contrary to the popular claim that metal armor went away with the rise of fire arms, European metallurgy become just so good that they could make it look like ordinary things. Of course those items were always custom made. Skull caps made from iron and steel to be worn under your hat were also popular by the less rich people.

Strelok 03/01/2022 (Tue) 23:52:10 No. 3608

>>3607 The West: Making weapons gay one dandy ass item at a time.

Strelok 03/02/2022 (Wed) 00:22:51 No. 3609

>>3608 This whole thread is of full of gay premises coming from people pretending to know a lot just to trick others into believing their gay opinions as certitude. Why don't you actually post about something related to the actual topic of this thread. Like whatever thread he'll a "ninja" truly is based on historical accounts of their weapons and gear. Faggot. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninja

Strelok 03/02/2022 (Wed) 01:37:48 No. 3610

>>3609 One of the most important ninja techniques is turning Westoids gay through magic cartoons

filterme#VXAnzg 03/02/2022 (Wed) 01:46:00 No. 3611

>>3609 The くのいち　most powerful weapon is まんこ Post weaponized まんこ

Strelok 03/03/2022 (Thu) 02:01:31 No. 3612

Nip arrowheads. I can seem to find my onion head arrow pics.

Strelok 03/03/2022 (Thu) 02:18:25 No. 3613

>>3612 >Arrowheads with clan symbols carved into them. Is this some way of "sending a message"?

Strelok 03/03/2022 (Thu) 04:32:59 No. 3614

>>3613 I assumed it was just a way to lower the weight and the smith was flexing. Who knows though.

Strelok 03/03/2022 (Thu) 19:29:26 No. 3615

>>3612 Do you have examples of that melee weapon that is based on an arrow? That is, it evolved from archers trying to poke people who got close with their arrows, and so it's basically a pointy stick.

Strelok 03/03/2022 (Thu) 21:02:57 No. 3616

>>3612 Aesthetic as fuck

Strelok 03/04/2022 (Fri) 01:37:43 No. 3617

>>3615 I've never heard of this. That sounds neat.

Strelok 03/14/2022 (Mon) 02:14:43 No. 3618

Japan also had a weapon that was more like a European flail.

Strelok 03/20/2022 (Sun) 03:47:43 No. 3619

>>3597 I found a little diagram of Flip knives today while searching for something else.

Strelok 03/20/2022 (Sun) 16:09:38 No. 3620

>>3606 >>3591 Is this design useless? No. Is it unwieldy? Yes. Is it cool? Definitely, and sometimes showmanship can be traded for a slight cost functionality. A halberd is better designed but also more bulky looking, and not as beautiful or elegant as the bare branches spear design.

Strelok 03/22/2022 (Tue) 11:14:30 No. 3621

>>3619 some of those look straight out of ye olde first 3d wrpg

Strelok 03/22/2022 (Tue) 11:43:23 No. 3622

>>3591 >I'm not even sure how that leaf spear is suppose to work. If you look at the Mandarin Duck formation, it shows you a squad of soldiers that work in cooperation. Each soldier has a different weapon for a different task. The problem this formation has however is that it is weaker against full spearmen formations and cavalry attacks. To compensate for that they gave the spear of the single spearman in the unit more points ends. Put several Mandarin Duck formations side by side and the spearmen together create a pointy metal hedge against oncoming attackers. >>3621 >some of those look straight out of ye olde first 3d wrpg They don't just look like that, old first 3d wrpgs did indeed copy weird blades from around the world to look more exotic and fantasy. On top of that the Philippines in the 90s had some influence as the cool hip thing in martial arts. Richer Generation Xers would travel there for sex tourism and flex on their peers that they trained there in knife fighting or some other martial arts, which wasn't your old and stale judo, karate or kung fu you could trains in the West.

Strelok 03/23/2022 (Wed) 04:31:03 No. 3623

>>3622 > Richer Generation Xers would travel there for sex tourism and flex on their peers that they trained there in knife fighting or some other martial arts >Say Jim I heard you got back from south east Asia. That's like your 5th trip this year, what are you doing over there? >Oh I'm just doing some Flip kids...er I MEAN FLIPKIDO, yeah that's the ticket. Really wild stuff Bill! Got kickboxing and knives and sarongs!

Strelok 03/24/2022 (Thu) 14:34:26 No. 3624

>>3622 >Richer Generation Xers would travel there for sex tourism and flex on their peers that they trained there in knife fighting or some other martial arts, which wasn't your old and stale judo, karate or kung fu you could trains in the West. Then what do the western women get out of it? It can't be just for taking photos and shit and sending it to Instagram all day.

Strelok 03/24/2022 (Thu) 17:19:40 No. 3625

>>3624 Women will bankrupt themselves just to leave the country they are in yes it doesn't make any sense but that's women.

Strelok 03/24/2022 (Thu) 22:57:44 No. 3626

>>3624 >Richer Generation Xers would travel there for sex tourism >Then what do the western women get out of it?

Strelok 03/25/2022 (Fri) 02:00:31 No. 3627

>>3624 >Then what do the western women get out of it? Anon you understand that women contribute a significant portion to the sex tourism industry even if male sex tourism is more common, right? Events like the olympics are infamous for sex tourism to the point where countries like Russia and Japan explicitly put out PSAs about how that athlete is not going to put a ring on it when you get pregnant.

Strelok 03/25/2022 (Fri) 10:37:23 No. 3628

>>3624 >Then what do the western women get out of it? Any woman that travels extensively does so to get her snatch plastered by exotic guys, often times even young boys. Or do you think female pedophiles are different from male pedophiles?

Strelok 03/25/2022 (Fri) 15:31:24 No. 3629

>>3626 >>3627 >>3628 >Anon you understand that women contribute a significant portion to the sex tourism industry even if male sex tourism is more common, right? the fuck are you talking about ? go to any downtown area and count how many men vs women standing on the corner selling themselves because I don't see much and the men selling themselves are selling for faggots and crossdressers . I lived in Miami in the 90's so don't tell me shit.

Strelok 03/25/2022 (Fri) 17:56:52 No. 3630

>>3629 The fuck are YOU talking about? Who said anything about male prostitutes? The women who travel to get fucked by exotic locals aren't hiring male prostitutes, they're just fucking locals.

Strelok 03/25/2022 (Fri) 19:54:13 No. 3631

>>3629 >He thinks women need to pay for sex >What are bars >What are dance clubs Do you think people actually go to those to have fun? Maybe once in a blue moon for the latter but no, people go to those because they WANT SOME FUCK anon. THEY WANNA SMASH.

Strelok 03/27/2022 (Sun) 18:21:48 No. 3632

>>3629 >>3630 >>3631 Look at all the fools that don't know that there are many tourist spots for women around the world that have populations of professional gigolos that get payed to fuck the western feminist landwahles that even a nigger wouldn't touch.

Strelok 03/27/2022 (Sun) 21:40:42 No. 3633

>>3632 Nobody said they don't exist but that's not the normal customer outside of Japanese female-focused cabaret clubs/soaplands.

Strelok 04/18/2022 (Mon) 23:14:01 No. 3634

Does anyone know the names of some of the other Chinese staff weapons? I know the three-section staff is called sanjiegun.

Strelok 04/19/2022 (Tue) 02:52:16 Id: e61c0b No. 3635

>>3631 Where can I find these memes?

Strelok 04/19/2022 (Tue) 03:01:07 Id: 245e74 No. 3636

>>3635 https://saucenao.com/search.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fanon.cafe%2F.media%2Ft_36d15e71bb05db1b652233afd862ab17a09da3775257611ca85b25ce8d70946f Either Twitter or Pixiv. Both seem to be kept well up to date with each other, but there are some exceptions given Twitter's sensitivity.

Strelok 04/24/2022 (Sun) 01:12:54 No. 3637

>>3634 Specifically do you know the name of that extra thick monk staff/cudgel you see some times?

Strelok 04/24/2022 (Sun) 14:38:51 Id: 0bbf6b No. 3638

>>3637 The one with a metal ornament on the end? I think it's just called a monk's cudgel or a Zen stick. The flat fat sticks (d in pic related) is called a Keisaku 警策/"awakening stick" since it was traditionally smacked hardly on someone's head to wake their ass up if they were dozing off.

Strelok 04/27/2022 (Wed) 00:50:33 No. 3639

>>3638 I think it's called something like Chin Kang Gun or Jin Gang Gun or Qun Yang Gun. I'm not sure if those are three different transliterations of the same weapon or what. It might be called a Shepherd's Staff in english. It's a stubby but thick staff weapon.

Strelok 09/04/2022 (Sun) 03:28:53 No. 3640

Tell me about Japanese explosives. I remember an anon several years ago talking about these ceramic grenades from WWII but didn't the Japanese have something similar as far back as the Mongolian invasions?

Strelok 09/04/2022 (Sun) 04:52:17 Id: 4f497c No. 3641

>>3640 Couldn't they have just stuck some non-ceramic shrapnel to the shell? Like some good chunks of quartz or hardwood slivers or lead shot?

Strelok 09/05/2022 (Mon) 07:48:00 No. 3642

>>3641 I think ideally you would just make the shells out of iron but of course the whole point was that Nippon didn't have the metal to spare in WWII. >lead shot I'm kind of wondering that myself after I came across this.

Strelok 09/05/2022 (Mon) 12:25:22 Id: 6c9f95 No. 3643

>>3640 That post doesn't really do the type 4 grenade justice. It wasn't designed for general Naval use nor was it designed for fragmentation. It was a last-ditch suicide weapon that every civilian was armed with in the event of an American invasion. It was designed as a concussion grenade to disorient American troops long enough to charge over a trench or hill without getting mowed down as badly, which is why so much craftsmenship based on region went into the weapon. It was a "people's weapon" to defend their homeland, not a military weapon for taking out enemy positions.

Strelok 09/05/2022 (Mon) 12:31:46 Id: 6c9f95 No. 3644

>>3641 Perhaps, but they weren't being built by manufacturing hubs. Pottery makers were commissioned to make them and given "schematics" detailing the construction. They are different in every region because each Japanese potter had a different set of glassmaking/ceramic skills. In many cases those people were civilian artisans so they likely wouldn't have thought much on how to make them kill better. They were pulled away from their lifelong works to make suicide grenades in preparation for an American invasion. The potters probably didn't want to build them in the first place.

Strelok 09/07/2022 (Wed) 05:16:52 No. 3645

>>3643 That's a nice bit of extra info anon. I don't guess you have anything on pre-modern Japanese (or just Asian) hand grenades?

Strelok 09/13/2022 (Tue) 00:43:54 No. 3646

I've been looking at the Fire Dragon Manual and it has some interesting stuff on early Chinese incendiary weapons but I still can't find anything yet on early Japanese grenades.

Strelok 02/21/2023 (Tue) 09:48:14 No. 3647

Does anyone know if Japanese Taisha ryu practitioners really did use thick club like bokken in the past or if this is one of Nioh's embellishments? From what I can tell from some photos of modern Taisha ryu that heavier straight bokken are used but they still look much like a typical bokken and not a Yasuke beating club.

Strelok 02/22/2023 (Wed) 03:13:15 No. 3648

>>3647 Like these specifically.

Strelok 03/10/2023 (Fri) 15:20:25 No. 3649

I really hate that the Ukraine-Russian war has pushed so much of the other discussion out of the board. To get back on topic I only recently discovered that there is a rare polearm variation of the kusarigama. The Okusarigama.

Strelok 03/10/2023 (Fri) 18:49:27 No. 3650

>>3649 No you don't.

Strelok 03/10/2023 (Fri) 21:50:27 No. 3651

>>3650 I promise you that I had no idea these things existed. I also discovered that at the close of the Heian era the Japanese used weaponized rakes.

Strelok 03/10/2023 (Fri) 22:36:51 No. 3652

>>3651 >weaponized rakes We can only hope they come back into fashion soon.

Strelok 03/11/2023 (Sat) 20:24:48 No. 3653

>>3652 >only hope Didn't Trudy just recently rake ya'll funs? whimpers in 2A

Strelok 05/21/2023 (Sun) 10:50:36 No. 3654

>>3590 They've got some of those dagger-axes in Wo Long.

Strelok 08/25/2023 (Fri) 06:42:14 No. 3655

I can't believe that there's no shotel pics here. I wouldn't mind having one. They look like they would be really versatile, even in modern times.

Strelok 09/06/2023 (Wed) 21:25:33 No. 3656

I wonder about what makes the different shotel designs. Are they regional or do they represent different developments over time? I tend to think of the long thin types as the "real" shotel, but I'm not sure if that's accurate.

Strelok 09/29/2023 (Fri) 13:10:58 No. 3657

>the arabs use to have trick weapons before they all decided to go and join the Powder Kegs

Strelok 10/20/2023 (Fri) 11:15:49 No. 3658

Best ninja weapon is FIST

Strelok 10/25/2023 (Wed) 22:04:44 No. 3659

A tool and not a weapon but damn if this thing don't look intimidating.

Strelok 10/26/2023 (Thu) 16:33:40 No. 3660

>>3659 So, it's an awkwardly large saw? Why is it shaped like that, anyhow?

Strelok 10/26/2023 (Thu) 16:37:52 No. 3661

>>3660 Probably fine-furniture boards kerf sawing by hand.

Strelok 10/26/2023 (Thu) 17:58:09 No. 3662

>>3660 >>3661 They were used for turning logs into boards.

Strelok 10/30/2023 (Mon) 13:58:24 No. 3663

>>3662 >that video Really neat to watch. The second guy using the big cleaver-saw definitely had a "fuck, this sucks" look on his face.

Strelok 11/12/2023 (Sun) 10:53:47 No. 3664

Indian maces are something.

Strelok 11/12/2023 (Sun) 17:41:45 No. 3665

>>3664 They're exercise devices though, not weapons. Ceremonial use only.

Strelok 11/12/2023 (Sun) 17:46:19 No. 3666

>>3665 >Ceremonial use only. The ceremony: beating your ass.

Strelok 11/12/2023 (Sun) 23:58:44 No. 3667

>>3665 The big ones are exercise equipment but the reasonable sized gada were used as weapons.

Strelok 11/14/2023 (Tue) 21:43:43 No. 3668

>>3664 I always thought they were ancient persian exercising tools within their martial art about circular gyms, calisthenics and wrestling

Strelok 11/16/2023 (Thu) 06:12:36 No. 3669

>>3668 They are. Sort of. In some regions the gada and the meel (what you posted) have been conflated together. Partially because they are used in the same way in training. So any gada that looks like it would be classed as a great hammer in a Souls game is probably primarily training equipment. Or religious iconography. If it's one that's within the size range of a European mace and is constructed in a way that can actually survive a hit then it's likely that it an actual weapon.

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