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Sonic thread - Frontiers Final Horizon & Superstars Anonymous 09/30/2023 (Sat) 06:36:30 Id: e0e298 No. 891978
Sonic Superstars will be coming out in a few weeks but for now the final update for Sonic Frontiers is out, and people are bitching it's too hard, so I guess that means it's a good update, if you felt the game was too easy before the new story content can get plenty challenging. Haven't beat it yet, but the Final Horizon content is basically a redo of the ending level in terms of story, Amy, Knuckles, and Tails are tasked with finding the Chaos Emeralds, where Sonic undergoes trials to turn the cyber corruption into power. The new characters have their own skill trees. Amy is a Magical girl now, Knuckles has the drill that will pierce the heavens, Tails has his mega buster again. When they get max rings, Amy rides her hammer like a broom, Knuckles glide no longer descends, and Tails can enter the Cyclone and fly without much limits, you can also use the Cyclone canon special attack. The new characters are mostly focused around having aerial movement, Kncukles obviously glides, Tails can fly around intended challenges as usual, and the cyclone makes him extra busted, Amy has a triple jump and can slow her decent. I haven't played the game since release, so looking at it now there is actually the amount of content it should have released with. You can collect music from previous game, so you're not always listening to the a "atmospheric" songs. The map didn't have this completion list before. The stopwatches are challenges were the game has you interact with the environment as much as possible, building up score and combo, now all the randomly placed springs, rails and such have a use beyond reaching collectables. Battlerush tasks you with fighting all types of enemies from an island as fast as possible. "I forgot how combat worked in this game for a bit so I got a bad rank" Cyber Space Challenge is the same as battlerush just with the Stages. The game was pretty good on release, but clearly lacking extra features. Now it's a full package. Remember to visit our friends over at >>>/fast/ !
Edited last time by Zoom on 11/07/2023 (Tue) 11:52:35.
>>1014798 Sonic Bewm was a continuity where the production company for the game took the money and ran.
>>958948 Didn't Keanu Reeves have a daughter who died at a young age?
>>1014864 Keanu had a tragic life you'd expect from a villain backstory. He also lost the woman he impregnated with that daughter later.
>>1014931 Searched this, Jennifer Syme, dead from a car crash in 2001. Did Keanu step on some hooked (((toes)))?
>>1015003 Probably not or Reddit wouldn't love him.
What's the best quality Sonic fan game that's 2D like the classics? The quality ones I played were 3D.
>>1015249 Sonic Triple Trouble 16-bit is one of the most authentic to the Classic feeling fan games. Some videos from Pariah695 who's a mostly Sonic focused channel I watch, he goes into good detail about everything. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgVvWxhW4G4 The first 20 or so games in this video are 2D, if you want to see some more choices. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE8Nm2uLNtc Direct linking since Invidious seems to not be working anymore.
>>1015249 If Freedom Planet counts, Freedom Planet.
Kinda related anyone play that penny game from the sonic mania dev?
>>1015283 Freedom Planet 2 was also on Windows since 2022 and on consoles for 5 months. It's Freedom Planet's quality, good sequel.
>>891978 Sonic Direct tomorrow at 12.
>>1017892 Someone share highlights here.
>>1015258 Invidious as a whole is broken right now thanks to jewtube
>>1018148 There was nothing we didn't know about already. DLC for mobile games, commercials for the movie and for Lego and other merch. I guess there was something about some Chao animated shorts coming out soon, and some Shadow animated shorts coming out soon. And oh yeah, for some dumb reason the Shadow shorts will have extra content on PS4 and PS5, even though they'll all hit the internet the moment the game is released, if not earlier.
>>1018148 Keanu Reeves will be voicing the Movie Shadow Skin, who gets a level dedicated to him, but it's DLC for the Deluxe edition.
>>1018518 Using AI, he can voice Moonman’s entire catalog.
>>1018518 Truly a heckin magic chungus moment worthy of Reddit Gold.

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>>1018562 How Reddit is the fact Shadow is Batman now. There's gonna be an official Sonic DC crossover comic at some point. But I guess when it comes to Sonic and Batman things have finally come full circle.
>>1018573 >Cyborg Tails Why do they keep pushing Cyborg as a member of the core JL? He's fine, but there's got to be someone better they could've picked. And Knuckles as Supes fits him terribly.
>>1018573 >How Reddit is the fact Shadow is Batman now. It doesn't really work when you make Sonic The Flash and Knuckles Superman. Maybe if it was Sonic Superman and Knuckles the Flash or vice versa(something, something that race between Superman and The Flash to see who is the fastest), and leave Knucles as Batman, because he mainly uses his firsts. >>1018579 >Why do they keep pushing Cyborg as a member of the core JL My theory is that when they were designing the JL movie, DC/WB really wanted a token black guy for the team, and either Cyborg was the most popular one(from the Teen Titans cartoon), or Snyder really liked that character and wanted him in the JL. Now you might say that the Green Lantern has a token black member, and he was in the JL cartoon, but first of all he is not necessarily the most popular Green Lantern, and more importantly, the Green Lantern movie boomed and is infamous as being "one of the worst movies ever made™®" so Warner Brothers really didn't want to mention any stuff regarding the Green Lanterns.
>>1018584 They could've at least picked Static. He's a black hero that people liked well enough.
>>1018585 They chose Cyborg for Tails because he does a lot of tech stuff not just because he's a nigger, Static would be even less fitting in that regard.
>>1018573 tails looks cute, and so does amy
>>1018588 Anon was asking why DC/Warner Brothers are pushing Cyborg as a member of the Justice League, not why some random artist made Tails to be Cyborg. >>1018585 Static also wasn't a core member of the Justice League as far as I remember, so I guess Cyborg was simply more popular, or at least they market surveys told them that. Either that or Zack Snyder really liked him.
>>1018590 Anon, Amy is always cute.
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>>1018593 I swear Amys skirts seems almost designed for upskirts.
>>1018593 Amy exists for /cuckqueen/.
>>1018645 The blue blur should just give her the supersonic dick already. Have they ever been together?
>>1018579 >Why do they keep pushing Cyborg as a member of the core JL? >>1018584 >Justice League movie, Snyder, Green Lantern movie failure You know exactly why. Because having Martian Manhunter disguise himself as a black guy sometimes doesn't count enough for them. They've been doing it for a very long time. Like some people think it started with the New 52 in 2011, but actually it goes back to Superfriends in the '80s. Cyborg was a new character in the comics at the time, but New Teen Titans was the most successful comic DC had, in the era when comics were selling their highest numbers ever. (They got a bit higher a few years later, but that was largely due to a speculator bubble). So they took the black guy from their most popular comic and added him to the TV show. And since it was a TV show, it got a lot more exposure than the comics. So years later when politics pushed them to force a black guy onto the Justice League again, they picked him. And yes, as mentioned, he was also pretty popular again due to the Teen Titans cartoon, loosely based on those same very popular comics that got him put on the Superfriends in the first place. Also, they didn't want to use John Stewart Green Lantern anymore because the comics' attempt to replace Hal Jordan didn't work, and they were forced to bring him back, and after bringing him back, Green Lantern became one of their most successful comics (when frankly it was never very successful before, even back in the '60s). So Hal Jordan had to be the main Green Lantern now. He was simply too popular among the comics nerds, even if TV viewers didn't know who he was. Plus, Green Lantern lore all revolves around Hal Jordan, not John Stewart. The Justice League movie using Cyborg wasn't original to that movie. It largely just lifted his plot from the most recent Justice League/Cyborg origin story, 2011's "Justice League: Origin," (Justice League Vol. 2 #1-6). >It doesn't really work when you make Sonic The Flash and Knuckles Superman. Obviously Sonic is Flash because they're fast, but yeah, he's sort of Superman because he's the main character, and their personalities/roles match up best. Knuckles being Superman doesn't make any sense. Obviously it's because they're strong, but I think it's moreso because they didn't know what else to do with Knuckles. Frankly, Aquaman and Martian Manhunter would both fit better with Knuckles' personality and role, and I don't think they fit any worse when it comes to powers. Even Hawkman would fit better, but he's technically not an original member (he is one of the very first to join, back in the early '60s, but not one of the original seven). Neither is Cyborg, but he's black, so he gets to stay. >>1018585 Cyborg is a lot more popular than Static, and Static has, strangely, never really been well integrated into the DC Universe. He was invented at a different company, Milestone Comics, in the early '90s, and DC bought the company a few years later. They quickly made that TV show, and notably the TV show did not originally take place in the DCAU originally, as the first episode has Static refer to Clark Kent as a fictional character. Meanwhile DC didn't really know what to do with him in the comics, even though he was the most popular character Milestone had, and clearly the only reason they bought the company. They did merge the universes, but to this day there hasn't really been a good Static comic from DC. And to be perfectly honest, the original Static comics aren't that good either. The show made the concept and characters much more enjoyable. I like Dwayne McDuffie's work on other stuff, and he claims his Justice League wasn't intended to be as black as it was, but DC happened to force him to add more black guys, by coincidence, but the original Static Shock comics are very racially political, in a much more on-the-nose, annoying, and frankly stupid way than the TV show ever becomes, even in that one episode about Richie's dad being racist. >>1018592 Cyborg was a member of the Justice League in some of the later episodes of Superfriends, from the '80s. He was then made a "founding" member of the Justice League in the 2011 "reboot" (history changed partially but not fully) in the comics. The Justice League movie was copying those comics. >>1018665 In the last episode of Sonic X Season 2, in a montage before they have to go back to their own dimension, Sonic goes up to Amy and gets on one knee and gives her a flower. It's all romantic and junk, and it's silent (because it's a montage), but the implication sure seems like he was finally giving her what she wanted. It's worth noting that Sonic X was originally supposed to end at Season 2. It was successful enough in America that 4Kids ordered an extra season, but that season never even aired in its home country of Japan until a few years ago. In Season 3, Amy isn't constantly trying to get Sonic to date her anymore, and she makes a few references that imply they are dating, but Sonic never acts any different, because of course he wouldn't. In Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood, there are a few scenes where you get to pick from different dialogue options, and some of these scenes involve Amy. You can choose to be nice to her or to be hilariously mean to her. If you're nice, then at the end of the game Sonic says he likes her back and it seems like they're going to start dating. If you're mean to her throughout the game, then at the end Amy just tells Sonic that she knows he doesn't like her, but she hopes he can be civil so they can work together to save the multiverse. Notably, Sonic Chronicles was a very unpopular spinoff game that bombed, and Ken Penders tried to sue over it, so Sega has almost never referenced it again. It ends on a cliffhanger ending, but it was never explicitly resolved (though some fans say it just takes place at the end of the timeline, or simply leads into Sonic Unleashed, which is my preferred headcanon). I'm pretty sure Ian Flynn says it's just not canon. But it was referenced in The Official Sonic Comic Encyclopedia (which explicitly links concepts to concepts from Penders comics, and is probably part of why he sued). Years later it was also referenced in the Sonic Encyclo-Speed-ia, seemingly just to assert to Penders that they do own the characters introduced in that game, because aside from the one reference, they seem to have no intention to acknowledge that the game exists. In Sonic and the Black Knight, at the end of the game, it's revealed that the whole game was a story Sonic was telling Amy to explain why he missed a date they were supposed to go on. She doesn't believe him and thinks he was just making an excuse, but the book of "King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table" changes to become "Sonic and the Black Knight," implying that he really did get sucked into a book and his story was real. But he did miss their date, which means they were actually supposed to be on a date. At some point in the last decade or so, SJWs got into the works and seemingly made it so that Amy isn't allowed to show that she wants Sonic anymore, because girls liking boys is sexist or whatever. So now she's just the strong member of the team, which makes Knuckles redundant. But it's the only role girls are allowed to have anymore. Frankly, if I got in charge, what I'd do is just say that she chilled out and didn't have to chase Sonic anymore because they actually have been dating for a long time now, but just never made a big deal about it. Because of course Sonic would barely acknowledge it in the first place. >>1018645 Frankly, I'm pretty sure they are canonically dating in some entries, listed above, but Sonic just doesn't acknowledge it at all. He'd probably cheat on her and not give a fuck. And Amy would be too much of a bitch to do anything about it. On the other hand, obviously Sonic is just too busy having adventures to slow down for girls. Amy works as the closest thing Sonic has to a love interest because Sonic shouldn't show much interest in love in the first place. All those stories where he's just pining over Princess Sally, who is clearly cucking him with Geoffrey St. John, really just make Sonic look like a bitch. And that's the exact opposite of what his character is supposed to be. He's the epitome of cool, and when you have some feminist bitch like Sally continually blow him off, and kiss other dudes in front of him, and giddily think about how "now I have two boyfriends!" it really just ruins what the protagonist of the series is supposed to be. Plus in the case of everything to do with St. John, it's really just unpleasant. Actually, though, that cover that got Ken Penders fired, where Sonic was crying over Sally getting engaged, belongs to one of the better stories of this nature. It's a low bar, but after reading 160 issues, you get stockholm syndromed into appreciating it. See, Sally wasn't engaged to St. John, she was engaged to Antoine, which at least makes more sense since Antoine was set up as Sonic's rival back when SatAM was conceived. But by this point Antoine was dating Bunnie for many years. But when Sonic got lost in space for a year, Evil Sonic and Evil Antoine from the backwards universe came and stole their identities. Evil Antoine sent real Antoine to their universe, and then took his place and broke up with Bunnie so he could mack on Sally so he could marry her and become King. Sonic was distraught not just because he lost his girl, but because Evil Antoine was about to take over the kingdom. On the other hand, Evil Sonic's plot was exactly as gross and unpleasant as you'd expect from Penders. While Evil Antoine had broken up with Bunnie so he could put the moves on Sally, Evil Sonic put the moves on basically every other bitch in town and seemingly fucked all of them. Which includes Bunnie, which is pretty disgusting and unpleasant, because Penders clearly has some sort of cuck fetish. Also he fucked Fiona Fox, who was the template for a robot that Tails fell in love with in an early issue. Though she turned out to be a robot, when the real one eventually showed up, Tails of course was madly in love with her, even though she was a bit of a bitch because she had grown dark after being locked in a Robotnik prison camp for many years after Sonic failed to rescue her in an adventure that took place before the first issue of the series (in a loose adaptation of the arcade game, SegaSonic the Hedgehog). However, everyone thought Sonic sacrificed his life (when actually he just got shot into space), so Fiona learned to forgive him. And when Evil Sonic showed up, and passed himself off as Sonic having survived, she liked his now-darker personality, so she started banging him. When real Sonic then showed up and blew up the whole scheme, Fiona now found that she did have feelings for Sonic. Sonic, meanwhile, had broken up with Sally, because Sally demanded that he stop risking his life on adventures. He said he couldn't do that, so she slapped him on stage in front of the whole kingdom. So Sonic was free to date Fiona, but it was fucked up because everyone knew Tails was madly in love with Fiona, since she was essentially his first love (even though it wasn't really her, but a robot based on her). And Fiona knows this and uses it just to twist the knife in Tails' heart. Eventually Tails blows up at Sonic over it, and Sonic is like "oh yeah, I'll stop fucking your first girlfriend then, bro." And he does, and they act like everything is fine, but really this never should have been written in the first place. After that, Evil Sonic comes back and Fiona realizes that he was the guy she liked all along, so she becomes his bitch and is a villain for the remainder of the series. Shortly after she gets with him is when Evil Sonic becomes cool and changes his name to Scourge, which is when the series actually gets good.
>>1018726 >Obviously Sonic is Flash because they're fast I understand making him Flash, it just doesn't work when Shadow is also Batman, that's why I said one of them should be Superman and the other Flash, since Superman and Flash had that one race in the animated show and in the post credit of the JL movie to see who is fastest. >Martian Manhunter disguise himself as a black guy sometimes doesn't count enough for them It's funny because it was enough for the Watchmen TV series by having Dr Manhattan disguised as a black man. >even if TV viewers didn't know who he was That was sorta fixed with the CGI animated series, which I heard was really good, but cancelled prematurely.
>>1018747 >That was sorta fixed with the CGI animated series, which I heard was really good, but cancelled prematurely. It was alright. I didn't care for the original characters that weren't in the comics yet were extremely main characters. The series seems to revolve around this one robot bitch more than it does the actual Green Lanterns, and she really takes over and in my opinion ruins the Anti-Monitor arc. I was so mad that DC finally tried to adapt the big bad of the entire comics history, then they fucked it up. Now I'm more mad because they fucked it up even harder in the live action TV universe, and then again in some recent animated movies.
>>1018593 Honestly, I don't give much of a shit about the rest of the cast of the games - but Amy always had something special about her. Either that, or I'm just so old at this point that I don't really register any Sonic characters as being legitimate outside of the core grouping of Sonic/Tails/Knuckles/Amy, and therefore not really worth paying much attention to. Here, have some goth Amys that an anon in another thread was kind enough to provide.
>>1018726 >At some point in the last decade or so, SJWs got into the works and seemingly made it so that Amy isn't allowed to show that she wants Sonic anymore, because girls liking boys is sexist or whatever. So now she's just the strong member of the team, which makes Knuckles redundant. But it's the only role girls are allowed to have anymore. Frankly, if I got in charge, what I'd do is just say that she chilled out and didn't have to chase Sonic anymore because they actually have been dating for a long time now, but just never made a big deal about it. Because of course Sonic would barely acknowledge it in the first place. The ENTIRE reason Amy even began chasing after Sonic in the first place was because her tarrot card readings, with even Yuji Naka commentiong: https://archive.ph/iiPlA <Amy will continue to pursue Sonic all the time, but Sonic will not ever get married. I think so, because I cannot picture the image of Sonic that he is married and has his children! Also, I feel it is a more Amy's style to always chase Sonic.
>>1018802 Goth Amy is disturbing. A character that is normally so cheerful becoming dour makes her a whole different character. The alternative is that some fucked up thing happened that turned her into an emo. But frankly, that would be very silly for this character. It's almost always a very silly idea to do. One time the Archie comics did it with Antoine, where he had already grown from being a coward into being a confident warrior, but then after a timeskip, we find Antoine is now a dark and edgy dude who left his wife to go brood by himself. Turns out it was because he got kidnapped and his evil doppelganger from the backwards universe stole his identity. Or in Marvel there was this character called Speedball who was a funny guy with bouncy powers, then in the mid-2000s he accidentally killed a bunch of kids, so he put on a suit that stabbed him with spikes at all times, and started calling himself "Penance." Or there's this one Transformers story set in the future of G1/Beast Wars/Beast Machines where it turns out that after G1, Daniel Witwicky got killed in battle, and Arcee became so depressed that she went back to Cybertron to brood in a cave for 300 years, and also she became a spider to escape Megatron II in Beast Machines (like Nightscream did), which means she could have helped in Beast Machines the whole time, but didn't because she was too depressed over her shota boyfriend dying 300 years ago. I guess an example that sort of worked is Robin. In the '80s he became an edgy young adult and changed his name to Nightwing, so they replaced him with a new Robin, but he was also edgy, because it was the '80s and things were edgy now. Then Robin II died, for ultimate edge. And people really didn't like any of this, so Nightwing grew out of his edgy phase and became cheerful again, and Robin II got replaced with Robin III, who wasn't edgy. But then almost 20 years later they brought Robin II back to life and he became the edgy Punisher ripoff, Red Hood. But people kind of like that. So I guess it's sort of an example of making a character edgy sort of working. But it's a very complicated and convoluted example. Amy Rose has good reason to become emo, though. In the comics she had to sit there and watch Sonic cuck her with Sally for 20 years. She should have snapped. But she didn't. Because that would be fucking stupid on a meta level. >>1018804 Yeah I know about the tarot card thing. Ironically, now people think that it's some weird quirk Amy had, but when the game was made, Japanese girls were just into tarot cards, to a degree that it was seen as just a normal thing young girls were into. The point was that Amy was just a normal young girl. Still, clearly there has been a degree of character development, even if unintentional, just because of course she would have even more reason for liking Sonic after he saved her in Sonic CD. And yeah, I also think it would be better to just stick with the original dynamic. I just said that at this point it would be better to just act like they have been dating for a long time because now it's been a long time that Amy hasn't been chasing after Sonic, and this would be a reasonable way to explain that, and I feel it ruins the characters less than having it so Amy just doesn't have romantic interest anymore. Plus, there have been two games and an anime where it was implied that they did start dating, so that serves as an excuse. Since the original dynamic is already gone, this would just be my autistic excuse for explaining it. Also, even in Sonic X, where I'm pretty sure they are supposed to be an "official couple" in Season 3, it isn't actually important, because Sonic still acts the same, meaning he doesn't fucking acknowledge it. But Amy does seem to chill out a bit, and since she has chilled out in recent entries, then that excuse would justify it well.
>>1018841 >In marvel there is a character called Speedball I can't read that name without thinking of Snowflame.


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