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Nintendo is trying to kill emulation Anonymous 11/09/2024 (Sat) 15:22:19 Id: 3501f6 No. 1037729
Nintendo has been going hard against emulation recently and is trying to set a precedent with its recent actions. So basically some youtuber faggot has been taunting Nintendo for some time, actively streaming pre-released games while making accounts on top of accounts. Now Nintendo is suing the guy for copyright infringement and is trying to get emulation as a whole taken down as a result of the suit. They argument they have is that emulating the consoles custom OS and ripping the tools from owned systems is illegal and is protected under the law. While everyone knows that's bullshit, Nintendo is still trying to set a precedent by having the courts making ripping your legal keys illegal, thus making any console emulation of any 8+ console illegal. While Nintendo has gone after emulators in the past, I don't think they've gone this hard in recent memory. Perhaps it's a result of the Switch successor being a rehash of the Switch but with more powerful hardware, and as a result emulators of the Switch can also run Switch 2 games. Honestly, at this point Nintendo should just release their old games on PC, since there's clearly a demand for their games on PC but Nintendo doesn't want to play ball, which is retarded because they could make a decent amount of money just by making ports with minimal effort, putting them on Steam, and making a shit ton of money as a result of Nintendrones rebuying their games. Releasing these old games on PC would probably stop emulation development in its tracks rather than having people in Russia combining emulation with spyware. Mind you, I'm not even talking about brand new Switch 2 games or whatever they want to put out in the future. I'm talking purely about games that are around three to five years old, that aren't growing significantly in sales and could easily be ported to the PC if desired. It's upsetting since Vanillaware pulled this same shit with Unicorn Overlord for some reason, although the fact that Vanillaware outright BLOCKED the game on PC is insane to me. At least with Nintendo they have dedicated hardware and shit they're trying to push. I think with Vanillaware they're actively a hindrance to themselves, although a few Japanese developers seem to be adverse to the PC market for some reason. In any case, if Nintendo gets their way expect the only way to play games like Xenoblade and Zelda is at a sub 10FPS limit with a shitty brick rather than having the games run at least bearable frame rates. It sucks because developers like Monolith Soft and Good Feel can put out some solid games that are exclusive to the Switch. That being said I doubt Bakeru did that well on Steam due to being released at a terrible time, and with very little fanfare. That being said, I really hope the Judge throws out the case for being a repeat of the Sony vs Bleem case, although with the DRM shit that Nintendo put into the consoles, who knows.
>>1037729 >Nintendo should just release their old games on PC Sega did that and then started delisting them for whatever reason. You can't trust these companies to reliably offer old games. Jewtendo and friends would rather older games be lost to time so fags can keep on consuming the new shit at full price.
>>1037729 >nintendo should [do things to make piracy easier] No, you will use the switch 2 and you will like it. You can also thank that one company making a cartridge ripper and cloner if nintendo reworks encryption for switch 2.
Ok, so what are they going to do even if they win? All what it takes is for server hosters for emulations or roms or whatever to just not be dumb fucks and keep their heads low. Granted, I know that this seems to be a super hard thing to do for attention whores.
>some youtuber faggot has been taunting Nintendo for some time, actively streaming pre-released games while making accounts on top of accounts Why the fuck retards like this even exist? All they do is fuck over real emulator enthusiasts who wanna just play older games. Why do they have to announce over the intrawebz that they're playing a pre-release title for clout?
>>1037749 It's exactly as you said, they want the clout and will risk ruining things for everyone else as long as they get it.
forgot my gif >>1037749
>>1037749 There are always short sighted people who will happily ruin everything for everyone if it means they can make money/gain attention off something.
>>1037749 It got you talking about it so it worked as expected.
>>1037729 >make ports with minimal effort, put them on Steam, and make a shit ton of money as a result of Nintendrones rebuying their games You only wrote this to exaggerate how many Nintendo players are drones, making you the drone. People rebuying an unaltered game port ("minimal effort") are so uncommon it doesn't register in sales. Most ports are Wii U ports. Wii U sold 13.56 million units, Switch sold 146.04 million units, over 10 times have Switch over Wii U. Wii U's base being 9% as big as Switch's base doesn't mean 9% with Switch have Wii U as not all with Wii U have Switch. It's 9% times what fraction with Wii U bought Switch. If 1/3 with Wii U did, then 3% (9/3) of Switch's base are from Wii U. From the 3%, few will buy unaltered ports when they have the game already on Wii U. Newcomers, not rebuyers, are the port market. >the only way to play games like Xenoblade and Zelda is at a sub 10FPS limit with a shitty brick Insane claim, not close to sub 10 FPS. Tears of the Kingdom's 30FPS 99% of the time on Switch, only emulators can average sub 10FPS. It once dropped under 30 more due to double-buffered VSync but lag was patched. You have to try to get dips (like Ultrahand in towns) to get them. Xenoblade's 30FPS like 97% of the time, for the 3% the worst dips are around 25. Switch 2 won't have them, which Furukawa confirmed backwards-compatible. 10FPS averages on Switch for these are total fiction you exaggerated as a dronish attack, they don't even dip that low outside rare memory leaks fixed by reboot. It can on emulators, which run worse than Switch on the best PCs because emulators compile shaders and emulate the console too. >Nintendo should just release their old games on PC People who want to play old Nintendo on their PC already do on emulators, no way I buy PC rereleases of what's free. PCs from the year 2000 can run old games. >would probably stop emulation development in its tracks Switch emulation has stopped in its tracks, Nintendo plays dirty because it works. Forks of Yuzu or Ryujinx add jack. Dumb journos praised GreemDev's Ryujinx fork from last month as its second coming when changes were mostly codeless: <misc: Replace "" with string.Empty. <hotfix: Locale formatting <Update README <Removed mentions of the old Ryujinx repo in the docs <Much-needed clarification <Update logo <Italian translation <French: Fixed faulty colon formatting and wrong translations Code changes for these forks are usually minor refactors to change code readability, not game function or performance.
>>1037729 >Nintendo is still trying to set a precedent by having the courts making ripping your legal keys illegal, thus making any console emulation of any 8+ console illegal. No, it doesn't. The document just goes after the guy for being an asshole. Nowhere in the five counts is Nintendo demanding for emulation to be made illegal.
>>1037779 >Read it again, retard. Show me where, from pages 32 to 44, Nitnendo is demanding for emulation to be made illegal. All I see is them doing is assert that emulation is "already" illegal.
>>1037729 K, and? All existing emulators will keep working. Future emulators will continue to be made. They're not capable of stopping anyone.
I don't like what Nintendo do too but you gotta chill man.
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>>1037783 >THAT'S THE FUCKING PROBLEM How? Nintendo can assert whatever they want. That doesn't make it legal nor does it make it true. That's the entire point of a court case, that you need to bring forward your case and prove that you "deserve" compensation or that someone needs to be punished, with the judge/jury then deciding if you adqequately made your case and should be rewarded based on the laws and circumstances within play.
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Ok, so host emulation stuff on Russian servers. The Russian government labeled Japan and USA as "enemy states." Dmitry Medvedev says Russians have a moral obligation to pirate Western media. Emulation developers should solicit donations via Bitcoin (and Bitcoin Cash for lower transactions fees, and Monero for extra privacy), NOT Patreon and Western payment processors. I don't get why I continually have to say this over and over but people STILL continue to host this stuff on Western servers. For fucks sake. https://www.reddit.com/r/YUROP/comments/127dbeg/dmitry_medvedev_called_on_russians_to_pirate/ https://torrentfreak.com/top-russian-official-thanks-pirates-for-enabling-access-to-enemy-content-230202/ https://www.jpost.com/international/article-735505
>>1037780 Technically the yuzu lawsuit doesn't even assert emulation is already illegal, just that emulation circumventing Technological Measures like game encryption at or immediately before runtime is illegal. Had yuzu fought the lawsuit (they didn't), the worst precedent for emulation would have been modern emulators that decrypt games become illegal, like Yuzu, Ryujinx, and Citra, with classic emulators unaffected. Modern ones could adapt by not decrypting games, but running games already decrypted and uploaded on share sites. Not that bad faith fearmongers in these threads care.
>>1037794 Nintendo doesn't care about 3DS emulation, Citra wasn't even named in that suit you brought up. It was collateral damage because bunnei led both Yuzu and Citra. Nintendo sent DMCAs to forks of Switch emulators and left forks of Citra alone. Your other points are right though, especially about "bad faith fearmongers." The topic headline is a lie, Nintendo is not trying to kill emulation. They tried to stop Switch emulation development before. Specifically Switch emulation, and specifically its development. Switch piracy costs them plenty, Nintendo DS piracy doesn't. This suit isn't trying to kill emulation at all, it's going after "Every Game Guru" for prerelease piracy, as a last resort, after he kept taunting the numerous takedown notices they sent him for that prerelease piracy. >Defendant is a recidivist pirate who has obtained and streamed Nintendo’s leaked games on multiple occasions. >Starting in as early as 2022, Defendant has streamed unauthorized gameplay of at least ten of Nintendo’s leaked games before their publication, and more than fifty times in total. Nintendo has submitted dozens of takedown notices pursuant to Section 512 of the Copyright Act to have Keighin’s unlawful streams removed, and recently multiple platforms, such as YouTube and Twitch, shut down his channels because of copyright strikes.1 Despite these immense efforts by Nintendo to enforce its rights short of litigation, Defendant continues to unlawfully stream Nintendo’s copyrighted works and thumb his nose at Nintendo and the law. On October 24, 2024, after certain platforms had taken down his unlawful streams as a result of Nintendo’s enforcement actions, he sent Nintendo a letter boasting that he has “a thousand burner channels” to stream from and “can do this all day.” Recently, after Defendant’s monetized YouTube account was slated to be shut down, Defendant began adding a CashApp handle to his streams, continuing to seek to profit off of his unauthorized streaming of Nintendo’s games. On top of his own flagrant piracy, he has also posted links to repositories of pirated game files (“ROMs”) encouraging and inducing his followers and viewers to unlawfully reproduce Nintendo’s games. In addition to streaming games from emulators, Defendant has also publicly posted links to those emulators—including ones called Yuzu and Ryujinx—thus trafficking in that unlawful software. >While all of Defendant’s infringement is harmful, his repeated infringement of prerelease games is especially damaging. Streaming leaked games prior to their publication normalizes and encourages prerelease piracy—Defendant is signaling to viewers that they too should acquire a pirated copy and play the game now, without waiting for its release and without paying for it. Prerelease piracy harms law-abiding Nintendo customers who may have been waiting for a particular game release for months or years, and then may see gameplay and spoilers online that ruin their own surprise and delight when experiencing the game. In turn, prerelease piracy causes Nintendo tremendous harm, including millions of dollars of monetary harm from lost video game sales both of Nintendo’s and its licensees’ copyrighted games, and loss of goodwill. >He has bragged that Nintendo “can’t stop me” because he “stream[s] to 12 different platforms.” Defendant also operates a Discord (instant messaging) server where he can instant message his viewers. His online accounts often have text boxes and descriptions advertising that his videos and streams are “EARLY RELEASE” or “FIRST LOOK” games that are otherwise unavailable to the general public >Based on Defendant’s history streaming leaked games, he anticipated that Nintendo would issue a takedown notice under Section 512 of the Copyright Act, so in his streams he told users to go to loco.gg if the stream was taken down. Sure enough, after Nintendo enforced its rights through various takedown notices, including on YouTube, Defendant continued livestreaming gameplay on Loco as well as other streaming platforms. In his streams, Defendant also included a QR code (in the bottom left corner of the above screenshot) for his CashApp handle, encouraging his viewers to donate to fund his unlawful streaming. If a platform suspended Defendant’s account, he would create a new account so he could continue to stream on multiple platforms simultaneously. Defendant also emailed Nintendo stating that he had “a thousand burner channels” and that he “can do this all day.” >In addition to his unlawful streams, Defendant has provided his viewers with the means to obtain their own pirated copies. Specifically, he has linked to repositories of Nintendo ROMs (i.e., game files) for many of Nintendo’s consoles, including Nintendo Switch-specific pirated ROMs, on various platforms such as Discord and YouTube. By doing so, as seen in this exemplary screenshot, he is inducing and materially contributing to those viewers downloading pirated games.
Man nintendrones working overtime today.
>tfw russia and china become the last free bastions of freedom
>>1037788 Vodkaniggers are too retarded to work on it. In addition sanction clarifications possibly prevent collaborating with russians on open source.
>>1037772 >Newcomers, not rebuyers, are the port market. Even better, put those games on PC and get a new market interested in your games. >Insane claim, not close to sub 10 FPS. I was being hyperbolic, also 30 FPS is an abysmal framerate for anything outside of RPGs or other turn based games that don't require much movement. >People who want to play old Nintendo on their PC already do on emulators That's true, but I would also argue that there's a demand to play these older games online with randoms, which isn't something Nintendo offers even in its NSO packages. I think that a lot of games even as far back as the N64 would benefit from PC ports as they can gather an online base of people who want to play games together. PC ports have been doing well for Sony, I don't see why it wouldn't work for Nintendo. >Switch emulation has stopped in its tracks, Nintendo plays dirty because it works. Forks of Yuzu or Ryujinx add jack. That is true, I'll give you that.
By the way, saying what nintendo should or shouldn't do is like saying where the mona lisa should go. The more you presume nintendo should preserve or resell games the less likely they'll do it, and smack at piracy, emulation, and random jewtubers out of spite. Just pirate the games, they don't need more literal nintoddler money to make better games.
Damn what made that fag get so mad on redtext??
>>1038171 That was willy, he's a fag.
Youtuber faggot asked for it based on this greentext. >>1037806 Retard chases bear, kicks bear's snout, repeats for hours, bear eats him, people say bears will genocide all humankind. It's a pirate version of faggots singing "we're coming for your children." Too bold. I pirate games myself but come on.


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