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Anonymous 04/24/2025 (Thu) 21:32:39 Id: 2abd43 No. 1246578
hello 8/v/ I would like to discuss a topic that was impossible to talk about on deadchan because of certain schizos. that subject is trends in sexualization in vidya, specifically in asian countries. historically japan has had a reputation for sexualized content in vidya. you would look at games like dead or alive xtreme or oneechanbara and think "this kind of game could only be made in japan." lately though it seems like this trend has been reversing. jap games are not as sexy as they used to be. dead or alive no longer has pole dancing. the titties in anime titty games are no longer as big or as exposed as they used to be. many people would blame this on western censorship, but I don't think that's entirely the case. you can see this trend even in games with little exposure in the west, especially in the realm of gachashit. if you look at popular jap games like umamusume or gakuen idolm@ster all you will find are safe and conservative designs. the trend may be most apparent with dead or alive penis vacation. both the new characters and swimsuit designs are noticeably more restrained than what you saw in doax2 and wouldn't be out of place in an idolshit game. japan has always had a preference towards cuteness, even over sexiness, and I think this current trend is just a continuation of this preference. it may even be that highly sexualized characters were actually because of western influence, and now that the west has become gay and pozzed japan is returning to its natural interests. it's also worth noting that while characters are officially becoming less sexualized, fan art of them is as degenerate as ever. it may be that rather than being completely opposed to sexualized characters, the japs want ones that are presented as "good girls" in the source material, but whore themselves out to old men in fan works. I think there may be a link to this behavior with idolshit fans. they are known for being obsessed with the idea that their favorite idol is pure and uninterested in men, but then do shit like making them touch their cum at handshake events. many currently popular jap games are idolshit themed so it is likely that such behavior is being imported. now the other aspect of this that I find interesting is that this trend does not seem to be replicated in other asian countries. korea and china have always been seen as simple copy cats of japan, but in this case they seem to have diverged. games like nikke, brown dust 2, and azure lane are full of hypersexualized designs even beyond what used to be expected from japan. characters from these games look like strippers and even have piercings and tattoos. even in terms of personalities characters explicitly want sex and try to jump the player character. perhaps this is also the influence of american culture. it's also interesting that blue archive, which is developed in korea but targeted at japan, is far more conservative than other korean games. what do you think about this phenomenon? do you miss obscene anime titties? do you think it is a passing fad and they will return? will you switch to gook and chink games if they deliver when japs won't?
Never really cared about Big Anime Titties myself so i won't be missing them going the way of the dinosaur
Blah blah blah safer designs appeal to a wider market and make more money, simple as that
I miss the days when we could just have sexy big titty girls. I am not at all convinced that this isn't the result of american influence. We already had the dragon quest producer and also GiTS producer coming out complaining about American prudes ruining things. It is 100% their fault.
>>1246778 They don't, if anything they get paid by investement companies and the governmment itself to make those safe designs. It's why this shit feels so awful and forced
>>1246845 Here's your reply nigger
>>1246578 None of the Korean or Chinese games really appeal to me. I want tits in Japanese games back. At least Uma Musume has cute outfits and jiggle physics. > if you look at popular jap games like umamusume or gakuen idolm@ster all you will find are safe and conservative designs. Yeah, you don't know shit about Uma Musume. They do a swimsuit release every Summer, the game jiggle physics, some of the basic outfits like Taiki Shuttle's normal outfit are quite revealing, they did wedding dress outfits for loli characters and so on. I could go on. >but whore themselves out to old men in fan works. This is also nonsense, because most of the Imas fan works and other franchise fan art isn't like this. It's a tiny subset made for sick freaks. You wrote all this shit in trooncase too. You're an idiot for making this post. Shame I had to read all this nonsense.
>>1246845 >A remake of a super popular game sold well >A sequel to the most popular roleplaying game also sold well. >A port/remake of a popular JRPG with a super autistic fanbase sold ok. >A remake of one of the most popular horror games sold well >A sequel to a popular game. >Monster hunter is the call of duty of japan. It was guaranteed to sell well. Unsurprisingly, remakes and sequels do really well.
>>1246845 Funny meme, I like how all the garbage that normalfags ate up is represented by piles of concealed shit.
>>1246878 >They do a swimsuit release every Summer the swimsuits are completely safe and inoffensive. they're not even close to what nikkers get or even doax used to have.
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>>1246845 >>1246864 As mentioned on this board before, casuals don't actually care about cultwar shit much. Hogwarts Legacy was also a huge success. When you're in online gaming spaces you're inherently in a bubble, be that le ebin sekrit klubs like imageboards, or LGBTIAOMGWTFBBQ+%- safe spaces like Tumblr. What I'm trying to say is, don't get stuck only watching shit like this.
>>1246785 they can cry crocodile tears about it while they take their blackrock bribe
>>1246878 >gif Is there a collection of these?
>>1246998 You can easily ignore that guy and not fall for his nonsense. Just look at his avatar to see a brown arab in Canada and listen to his embarrassing mispronunciation of basic English. The guy sounds like a mentally retarded version of the Irate Gamer. >>1246979 Yeah, it's more conservative but it's really out there to say a lot of this is 100% pure and not meant to be sexual. Some characters are just made to be sexy and had to be toned down from the concept so they'd work in 3D like Hishi Amazon wearing nothing under her shirt. Maruzensky here has some underboob going on, but it's a bit concealed by the frilly design of the bikini. There's also Biwa Hayahide's outfit with windows on her skirt so it looks like she isn't actually wearing underwear when viewed from the sides. Not super familiar with Nikke but the swimsuit skin list I see makes me think that with the exception of 3 skins they mostly seem like normal swimsuits. I don't know, man. Same with Azur Lane and Kantai Collection in comparison, KC has some insanely sexy default skins and with AL you have a lot of these designs being contracted to Japanese artists. It's not Japan "returning to cuteness and idol stuff", it's private equity firms thumbing the scales and forcing changes. >>1247031 It was recorded using this https://github.com/katboi01/UmaViewer
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>>1247247 a tiny bit of underboob is far away from things like reverse bunny suits or nipple tape that says "fuck me." I don't believe that foreign investors are forcing cygays or scamco to tone down the sexualization in uma or gakum@s. they're doing it because that's what their audience wants.
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>>1246998 I don't give a shit nigger, I like big fucking tits and gore Kill yourself
>>1247490 >they're doing it because that's what their audience wants. Which is why Gacha makes Millions and AAA has no relevance whatsoever.
>Americans are le prude because no big boobies in games and cartoons >ignore the absurdly depraved shit depicted in mainstream tv or the widespread adoption of onlyfans though It's so tiresome.
>>1247556 Redditors aren't allowed to be mean to sexual minorities please understand.
>>1247556 it's about control though. whores on only fans are ok to them because it's simps sending money to women. a woman with big tits in a videogame is not ok because it's not some whore getting paid. that's the whole feminist shtick. it's also about 3dpd whores trying to force competition out there's also some inherent xenophobia/racism that americans aren't willing to admit. where they hate large breasts in senran kagura because "it's childish" / "look at porn" etc while praise garbage sex scenes in baldur's gate or whatever. japanese games aren't allowed to have cleavage, western games since the ps3/xbox 360 generation could have sex/nipples (mass effect, dante's inferno whatever else i'm forgetting)
Japanese gacha games tend to prey on younger audiences so they usually target a 12+ release, meaning they can only be so slutty with their designs. It's the same with Blue Archive, specifically targeting a Japanese audience though it's still miles raunchier than your usual jap game. That's not to say Japanese games like Action Taimanin don't exist either. But the Japanese live service market has its own slew of explicitly pornographic instead of merely titillating content (a reason why stuff like Nikke and Azur Lane exist is that Chinese/Korean markets explicitly ban porn. In Japan you don't have this restriction, so even in the good old pre-gacha days of visual novels and home-made adventure games/RPGs/etc audiences and developers had the freedom to choose what to make and what to buy. A bit of salacious fanservice to tune into younger audiences is fine. A pushing of the boundaries like, say, To Love Ru or the more adult all-ages VNs is also fine. Making explicit porn as an artistic statement is welcome. And so on. It's what freedom gets you.
>>1247537 The only correct response.
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>>1247647 That's a good point, I didn't mean to imply there is no weird censorship shit coming from the west, just that blaming it on prudishness seems retarded when the west is VERY depraved right now. It's bizarre to me that anime pantsu and babes in vidya are haram but it's stunning and brave for some 19 year old to gape her asshole on the internet for $15.
>>1247490 You're ignoring things like Fate Grand Order, Granblue Fantasy and Eminence in Shadow. You're also ignoring the miriyad of more adult oriented and more explicit Japanese gacha games simply because they are less popular abroad. I don't know, I think you're full of shit.
>>1247649 I've played some r18 gachashits but a lot of them ruin themselves by trying to double dip with an all ages version, so the r18 content ends up cordoned off and not really part of the game. like the taimanin rpg game doesn't even have nude skins for the shitty chibis you see in the gameplay, just vn scenes that you can unlock that have nothing to do with the rest of the game.
>>1247716 I don't play f/go or even pay attention to it since it makes me feel bad about nasu selling out, but at least as far as designs that become meme status it seems to have fallen off. there was tons of fan art of swimsuit raikou or the trick or treatment outfit, but you don't see anything like that now. I play granblue fantasy though and it's never been overly sexy, at least as far as female characters go. they seem to have no problem showing naked man ass though so maybe that's what you're talking about.
>>1247647 >because "it's childish" / "look at porn" etc while praise garbage sex scenes in baldur's gate or whatever. >"look at porn" I hate that argument. It's shows a clear lack of self-control and a really base attitude towards eroticism. Not everything has to be porn and you can appreciate sexy stuff without beating off constantly. It's just not the same, a cute girl with big tits looking cute is not the same as a porno. A really libertine and prudish attitude at the same time.
>>1247716 FGO and GBF are nowhere near being explicitly horny enough to compete with your run off the mill gook gacha though. Completely different dimensions from innuendo-ish fanservice to near-explicit content. It's the difference between Japanese and Korean idols, too. Again, it's got to do a lot with the porn ban. >>1247733 Keep in mind for many Japanese creators and developers gacha is still nothing more than a quick buck. So yeah, if there's easy money to be made at a compromise no one will say no. DMM runs like that.
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I think it's a trend of overall access to lewd content. Like you said, fan art is as degenerate as ever. Meaning that you no longer have to rely on official sources to take a peek at some titties, which was the case back in the day. Think back to when Titanic came out and how part of its popularity was being able to see bare tits. Now the same resource that you use to research homework or do your taxes is the same thing you use to look up huge tits or knee inflation. Because we have access to it basically everywhere now, you're not chomping at the bit to see some T&A, and what would've been a limit to a publisher's audience can now be waved for a wider audience, and therefore more potential money; and the lewdness can be subcontracted to the horny audience that'll lewd and share it to hell and back. TL;DR: Access to the internet gave everyone tits all the time, and now we don't need it from official sources anymore.
>>1247537 based as fuck
>>1246845 Except gacha makes millions just by releasing a single lewd skin. Just 'cause you ignore rebuttals doesn't mean you're right. And your example compares single, modern-audience-adjusted releases to entire long-running franchises assuming you're right.
>>1247844 It's a bit more than that. You can't put big fat naked saggy tits in your game for teenagers, so you cover them up, but you pay fanartists to draw big fucking bare titties like they would've anyways and exploit a teenage boy's propensity to jerk his cock to some anime titties for the bonding and obsession over a product. At least that's what games like Blue Archive did. But there are also Japanese games that have cute girls and fat tits for the sake of it. These otaku products are a dying breed, which I think was OP's point.
>>1246845 Huh? Wait a sec. Why are you retroactively claiming Monster Hunter Wilds?
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>>1246578 Last Origin is Korean.
>>1246578 >if you look at popular jap games like umamusume Umamusume at least has the Yakuza shit going behind it. Like, here's an actual clause in the fan art/ fan creations guidelines that explicitly forbids +18 art. (but super risque "+17.9" art is totally fine)
>>1247844 explain the difference between japan and korea then. just because porn is officially banned there doesn't mean it isn't trivial to find it.
>>1247490 I don't think Jap media had those kinds of explicit outfits outside of eroge.
>>1247777 >meme status >there was tons of fan art of swimsuit raikou or the trick or treatment outfit, but you don't see anything like that now. Your view of things seems to be based on trending porn art you see on your twitter feed. I checked the banner schedule lists again for 2024 and 2025, FGO still seems to be doing the same things as usual. I don't see any change. Picture unrelated, she's from 2023.
>>1247780 Not everything has to be porn, but when the original product is porn don't try to walk it back to a PG-13 rating just to sell it to a new market.
>>1247902 If they can't claim woke games are successful, the next best option is to pretend successful games are woke.
>>1247886 >These otaku products are a dying breed, which I think was OP's point. Games get more and more expensive to make each generation. It's not surprising devs/suits want a bigger audience. Otaku may be loyal but there's just so many of them
>>1247907 yes that's why I used it as an example. the gooks (and the chinks when pooh isn't watching) have accelerated to a level even the japs hadn't gone before. they have characters with tongue piercings in regular games when you rarely even seen that in jap hentai games.
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>>1247886 That's what I was getting at. Didn't know that Blue Archive went all the way to pay official fan artists to draw lewds, but it just furthers my point of laundering the lewdness so the publishers aren't seen as explicit smut peddlers, which can be a potential turn off for some people. >>1247913 >Caring about Korea lmao
If you want the conspiracy theory angle, Japan is a vassal US state so they're just doing what the Eagle state wants to make them happy. idk There's probably also a lot of DMM browser games and other obscure gacha with very risque designs, but those seldom make headlines
>>1246578 Usually designs become more conservative because devs are considering women's tastes. Most women don't like fanservice in the same way that men do, so when devs try to pander to them the game naturally gets censored. Women hate pantyshots the most for example, so that's why those are one of the first things that started getting censored in games and anime. Korean games usually don't have this issue because devs aren't considering women at all when making their games, that's why you have so much slutty stuff. Same for (some) Chinese games, but China is in the middle of a gender war so some games side with women and massively censor everything, like in Netease's Where Winds Meet. On the other hand, games like Snowbreak treat women like second-class citizens, so their designs are borderline porn.
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>>1247929 I don't use twitter I check gelbooru every day for the revealing_clothes tag >>1247995 korea is even more americanized than japan, and you can see that reflected in the big ass characters they like in their games and the rap music inspired kpop videos they watch.the trend away from oversexualized designs is something specifically going on in japan.
>>1246578 I go to games for games and porn for porn. Besides specifically porn games, I don't see why anyone should care one way or another beyond literal proven censorship.
>>1248024 You got a point, yeah. Maybe it's cuz porn is outlawed in Korea? idk. Maybe that makes them go all out with lecherous but not quite explicit designs. Unlike Japan, which still has a proper eroge and porn industry Like, I agree it sucks but it's most likely a bunch of factors in play.
>>1247969 Part of the appeal of Jap 2D is also that they still kind of try to base their girls on observable real life archetypes instead of letting their autistic dicks take full charge.
>>1247556 That's basically the same thing as calling Euros pussies because they don't allow the kind of hardcore violence you see in American media, while ignoring Europeans have been slaughtering each other in wars on and off since the conquests of Rome.
>>1246778 There is a big disconnect with game devs chasing the elusive 'modern audience,' trouble is, they don't spend money. Everyone is fixated on drawing in younger audiences and it's the late 20 somethings and 30+ men that have the disposable income. In the next few years we'll see a return to normalcy, but games coming out over the next year or two will probably still look like 2020 trash.
>>1248068 what bizarro world did you come from
>>1248282 Dudes in their 30s don't want anime tits, they want easy dopamine playable in public and/or in short bursts. Maybe just enough titillation to entrance while still being socially acceptable, or slightly understandable, but no more. The gooner market is mostly young kids and creepy NEETs with no real disposable income to exploit.
>>1248296 I went to Japan and dated some 2X year olds.
>>1246578 Call me a fag, but I find this kind of obscenity uncomfortable. I much prefer when women just have a beautiful face. Which is, for some reason, unfashionable in todays western gamedev for some reason.
>>1248375 I never got the appeal of absurdly massive breasts in general, too big to fit in your mouth, so weirdly proportioned they look more like giant water balloons than boobies and all I can think of is the back pain that poor girl is going to have.
>>1248375 >>1248391 it doesn't work in real life, but in fantasy 2D pictures, the breast are antigravity, and acts like marshmallows
>>1248391 > too big to fit in your mouth bro do you wanna suck them tiddies or have chicken breasts for dinner?
>>1248375 Great, I wrote 'for some reason' twice and made a complete ass of myself.
>>1247697 Because it's not "prudishness", it's demonization of (straight) male sexuality while promoting and upholding woman and faggot sexuality. Notice how none of the faggotshit like Baldur's Gate 3 or Cyberpunk 2077 ever get censored despite being objectively far more depraved and harmful to minors than any Jap fanservice game, yet only the latter ever gets targeted for censorship. Also notice how DLSite was forced to censor the lolig repeatedly, but never the shota tag.
>>1248375 Last Origin often does this cuz it's virtually a porn game first and foremost. And since Korea bans porn, well...they gotta go as far as they can without breaking the law. Hell, in universe pretty much every girl is having sex with the commander. Also, the sexual 'fits are mostly reserved for alternate skins. The base designs do have crazy proportions, but they are way more conservative But I kinda agree with you in that cute girls are king. Unfortunately, that's illegal in current year
because the biggest consoomers are in the land of the mutt they don't like tits ( in the past they did but not now) so if the japs want to sell games in the west they need to be wary of what it's liked nowadays
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>>1246578 TITLE YOUR FUCKING THREAD, FAGGOT! Say less and give a short introduction to your point if you want anyone to give a shit. Brevity's the soul of wit you verbose wanker. Your post looks like a mess of words that drag on. You couldn't even capitalize a single fucking sentence.
To add to this we already have a thread for this subject. >>1063490
>>1248517 The cultural commissars cannot be said to represent the the actual market, especially when it comes to Japanese media. A lot of the time, the "people" saying and dictating this are women and trannies who have nothing but contempt for traditional male spaces and expression. Pic related is Snoy's head of third-party relations, for example.
>>1248319 I disagree, there is no point in a man's life where an idealized woman will not appeal, at least superficially. Sex sells, period. When you try to tie perceived social ramifications to something that is a non starter. It might work on a small portion of the demographic, but they are just kidding themselves. Often times these male feminist are the ones who doth protest too much, because they have the most to hide. It's like the outspoken conservative preacher that turns out to be the biggest degenerates, sex pests, or predators trying to hide their true colors. There is nothing wrong with liking big titties and ass in games, or whatever content you wish to consume.
>>1248550 that thread was making a completely different argument
>>1248112 But we do you stupid fuck Unless it's some retarded shithole like Germany
>>1246578 You are the schizo
>>1248560 they are the experts and the japanese just trust the experts simple as
>>1248773 Western infection has really ruined Japan. As gamers we don't want a more westernized Japan, we want a Japanese Japan, with all the quirks, weirdness and random cultural differences, but localizers, community managers, consulting firms and games journalists are like; 'no you need to change to be more western or your stuff won't sell.' Bullshit! There is a reason why we have so many Final Fantasies and Dragon Quests, or why so many eastern made games are doing so well right now, while western ones are spinning their wheels, because they can't figure out that gamers don't want body type 1 and 2, or pronouns, or androgenized looking things instead of feminine women in games. Also, fuck Unreal Engine 5, it's shit, get rid of it.
i'm not reading all that
>>1246578 What bothers me more is the trend towards fatter characters to appeal to western audiences. The crazy part is people probably don't ever prefer chubby characters, since even in the west a slender gacha game character drop is going to make millions. Same with TikTok and Onlyfans, the media is full of examples of the the most disgustingly overweight women used to represent these platforms, but if you look at which accounts have the most followers, it's all beautiful slender women. If slender females are the biggest money-makers, even in western markets, why are Japanese companies pushing designs that make them less money? Why doesn't the dominance of Chinese phone games bring them to their senses?
>>1246578 >eastern games becoming more sexualized >western games becoming less sexualized I think its a balance, one that's favoring the asian games because holy fuck are newer western games low quality
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>>1248391 i like it because it looks silly
>>1248391 most fetishes in 2D don't translate well in real life, some of them are straightup not even possible
>>1246578 t. canadian tranny
>>1248375 Fag. >>1248454 Your entire post is complete ass >um uh this is heckin uncomfortable Which is an indicator you're probably a woman or tranny
>>1248391 To truly get the appeal, you have to go HUGE. Also, what kind of solution were you expecting for the back pain? None at all? The solution is obvious, but wasn't enough to help here because she still fell. Wimpy b*tch. >>1249162
>>1248375 >>1248391 Kill yourself faggot
>>1246578 I don't consider gatcha garbage to be games in the first place. So the ultra sexy designs in them are not indicative of anything in gaming, because they are not games.
>>1246578 Japan is not going back to their roots, banks and credit card companies are forcing them or else they can't sell their products via credit services. It's another black rock and Co. Strategy.
>>1250443 then I hope that SK, China, Japan agreement also evolves into seeking alternatives to credit cards
>>1247490 >I don't believe Well you better start believing in the ghost story that is "freemasonry", because you're in one. This shit is worldwide, when their jewish masters say "we must lower birth rate of good people", the race traitorous mason pawns comply.
>>1251713 explain why japan is affected but korea isn't when korea is even more americanized than japan
There's a time and place for everything. I don't want forced politics and virtue signaling in my games, and I also don't want exaggerated titties that detract from your attention in the game. >muh sex sells If you willingly and openly play a game because you know it's for the sex, then it's okay, I played a bunch of H games as well, but pretending it holds the same amount of merit as other games when it clearly sells itself on cheating your tastes will always be nigger behavior. You must accept that games designed to sell on sex will usually be shit because they're leaning on the sex to help them sell instead of being good games.
>>1251774 >explain why japan is affected but korea isn't Korea aren't good people
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>>1251810 why can't a game have both? sex and gameplay aren't mutually exclusive and the budget for one doesn't really compete with the budget for the other.
>>1247556 Americans being massive hypocrites isn't at all new though. If anything it just further begs the question of why they are such massive prudes.
>>1247000 I'd say it's the opposite, and that these directors are complaining about it and clearly confused by it, and are questioning why so many projects are being sent out to fail displays this is corporate, top down control. I don't think Oshii sees one dime of this ESG shit.
>>1251891 Context matters a lot for your enjoyment in a lot of things, themes, intended emotions, as well as art cohesion , ~the general vibe~ are supremely important for games. A game CAN have both sexiness and good gameplay, but in the great majority of contexts, it will clash with the ideas in the game itself if sexiness goes too far, and the point that is "too far" for the majority of people, even the non-prudes, is very very early. I'm not saying you can't have big tiddy anime protagonists in an anime game, some jiggle, etc, but they only work if it's done with taste and it's not the main focus, otherwise the it starts feeling too meta, too much like the game knows it's a video-game and it's trying to appease specifically to you and maximize your dopamine. Different people will have different thresholds here, maybe some people like this, but it certainly feels very odd to me, almost jarring, artificial. Somewhere along the line there's an inflection point that people really want to cross and from then on sexiness starts damaging a game's integrity as a game, in my opinion. Rance works because it knows it's a story about degeneracy and extreme freedom, of power, and honestly you know what you signed up for when you boot up the game, but something like a cawadooty having big tiddy anime girls with exaggerated jiggle physics everywhere would be very out of place, just like those extremely modded L4D2 videos are very weird to see unless you're a degenerate and just decided to accept the absurdism.
>>1251954 sounds like a you problem. why wouldn't I like a game that tries to entertain me with things I like?
>>1251891 >sex and gameplay aren't mutually exclusive exactly, it's why I nowdays I play almost exclusively japanese indie eroge games, because the western gaming industry as a whole is so bad nowdays
>>1251973 I can't and won't stop you, it's entirely a matter of taste. But there's a point in taste where some people don't realize that they're in a minority because to them what seems normal is actually rather extreme, and usually some things are not mingled with good reason. Here's an analogy, coffee is okay, salt is a nice condiment that helps a bunch of other stuff, but putting a bit, just the tiniest pinch of salt in coffee actually removes a lot of bitterness. Too much salt and you've ruined the coffee, too little and it's still coffee and you barely touched the bitterness. To me, sex in video-games is a lot like salt in coffee. You're playing video-games for the video games, like you'd be drinking coffee for the coffee. A bit of sexuality? Sure, can help. Too much, and you're not really helping the game recipe come out alright, but then, some might actually like salty coffee, who am I to stop them?
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>>1247902 >>1247934 >um it actually wasn't woke >please forget the spam about genderless armor and dyke haircuts nice try
>>1251377 That agreement doesn't exist. You fell for a Chinese media campaign. The Chinese are probably the worst in this regard if you consider the fact that the CCP is on good terms with the Sassoon and Khadouri families (the jews who sold opium to China during the British Colonial period). Locally all their game and gacha releases gwt censored after release. Don't count on Daddy Xi to save you, he cracked down games before and will probably do it again. His factional enemies are involved in the tech industry in China, so this isn't an ideological matter or about keeping the Chinese virtuous. He wants to bleed his internal rivals dry by attacking their profits.
>>1252137 >not about keeping the chinese virtuous Never mentioned that, heck, I do not believe in virtuous politics either. Not here or anywhere else, but I'd say its pretty convenient for the chinese to get rid of competition, its what I'd do and from my pov its what would benefit me the most
>>1252115 Wilds going further into XX/Rise direction is what killed the game for me. It having DEIshit was pretty much a gift that probably deterred a few Worldbabies that didn't care about the rest
>>1246578 i dont have anything against ecchi games being made, even if im not really interested in them, but shitting up every game with sexist designs makes your game look like trash. and i mean both ways.
>>1252149 >BEIJING, March 31 (Reuters) - China, Japan and South Korea agreed to jointly respond to U.S. tariffs, a social media account affiliated with Chinese state media said on Monday, an assertion Seoul called "somewhat exaggerated", while Tokyo said there was no such discussion. The Chinks just can't stop lying, but hey sometimes it works in their favour.
>>1252167 >sexist designs How about you go back to tumblr you fucking loser. There is nothing sexist about lewd designs.
>>1252171 well, thats a shame because it would have been great to separate Japan from the (((USA's))) interventions
>>1252200 And link up with another UN security council country that's communist and teaches their people to hate Japan from day one? LMAO Seriously the anti-Jap shit in China is on the same level as the "kill whitey" shit in the West, probably more hardcore in some ways. Xi's not coming to save you from the jews, in fact he's cool with them.
>>1252186 it depends and i know that you know it too anon, dont play stupid
>>1252241 my hobbies > (((national security))) also >China teaching Japan to hate Japan lmfao, who in his sane mind would believe this? being intervened by the US is probably why the UN constantly screws them over to begin with
>>1252274 Nigger, I was talking about the Chinese population.
>>1252276 Oh they might do that but I'll take the chances in that case, no way am betting on any western country. Besides, it'd be counterproducing for them to come to an agreement while still shitting up the negative propaganda against Japan
>>1246578 >what do you think about this phenomenon? China and Korea are known for ripping off Japan and America and taking things more for substance than meaning. Just look at K-POP and Chinese movies after HK's golden era. I think that it ultimately hurts the largely Japanese-based industry through Sinicization and also has a negative effect on it in the public eye both in Japan and abroad. Foreign games like Blue Archive dominate the market, and one of Japan's pillars of its identity after the war was otaku culture. BA and things like it are foreign and impose foreign values and rights agreements and thus become targets of attack. In the West, the image of Japanese games was already a mix of Cool Japan and sexualization, and the heavy presence of Chinese and Koreans tips this toward sexualization with the same weight as their presence. This isn't to mention how China and Korea are cultures which were propelled from being largely rural to largely industrialized without gene segregation and have had greater trends for phenomena like feminism and cuckoldry. Just look at Manhua and Manhwa or read up on Korean politics, and these things become readily apparent. The Callisto Protocol and Stellar Blade are examples of this in the games industry. India, Ghana, Nigeria, and even Australia show similar behavior when it comes to aping things but not understanding their meaning or replicating their cultural context. >do you think it is a passing fad and they will return? They might return in Japan, but not until after some pain between it, China, and Korea. Globalization is an obvious problem which has shot the Japanese market in the foot as part of its appeal was its different sexualization and mindset around it. Once restrictions on mindset come into play to appeal to global audiences rather than local audiences which can then be projected to global audiences, the psychology behind works becomes more incoherent. This is what people used to mean when they talked about executives making changes or demands to games, but executives demanding things isn't always bad. Not having restrictions is how you get people like Miyamoto, Kojima, Lynch, etc, people who were groundbreaking for their time but became more vapid and dependent on others as they rose to higher positions until they could only get along through name recognition. Restricting expressions of sexuality which already had rather tight restrictions inside their own culture for the sake of target audiences outside of the culture is always bad unless these expressions are harmful through real practice, and you can see the more sweeping effects of this kind of thing in Japan's recent fascination with non-binary identity and fashion. Unfortunately, "global audiences" are really black and brown (and yellow) people, not whites and Japanese. Even if the moral standards were originally being pushed by whites and are/were talked about to make them more appealing to sensitivities in white countries, it's obvious that things are propped up by black and brown people, who will buy anything because their cultures are largely underdeveloped when it comes to content production relative to developed nations, and children, who will buy anything for social purposes. "Get woke go broke" is true for works that appeal to no one, such as in comic books, but even then that's a hard place to reach and requires fundamental failure of the medium for sweeping effects, something almost impossible to do for video games because of their interactivity and social nature. The values required for that are only found among whites and, to an extent, Japanese. Yellow people such as those found in China and Korea (hence why I put yellow in parenthesis), and whites in Eurasia, also have a hand in propping up these trends through thoughtless consumption and promotion but for different reasons. It's not like every white has this sort of standard, but these general statements are easier to make than writing essays. >will you switch to gook and chink games if they deliver when japs won't? No. I already have issues with Japanese writing and the Japanese mindset and don't see them as equals, but Korea and China are far worse. I'd rather see mainland East Asia turned into a nuclear wasteland than switch to Korean and Chinese works outside of enclaves like Hong Kong.
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All I can really say for sure is that I miss my Senrans. And Sony California's fingerprints are all over the gun. They are directly responsible because of introducing a retarded rainbow haired landwhale policy that forbids content like the kind we saw in SK, so no, you're not completely right OP. I will never forgive Sony and I will do anything to ensure my Kangaroos are avenged, up to and including never buying a Sony product again.
>>1248541 Also this, we title our threads around here for a reason you halfchan faggots.
>>1252137 I'm pretty optimistic on the Chinese vidya dev industry. They've clearly gotten the taste for a multi-billion dollar coomer market and has been progressively buckbreaking any ccp dissenters with the sheer softpower and money flow. It's been some years after Genshin and things been moving in the positive direction for them in this regard ever since.
>>1252291 Yeah, you'll bet on despotic shitholes that have been part of the same system for decades instead. Always angling for some foreign daddy to save you from yourself lmao
>>1252330 Yeah, those big corporations are utterly powerless against the party. Remember the "digital opium" policy from the party a few years back.
>>1252333 >as opposed to betting on the top zogdog in the room Of course, no leader has been worth mentioning in who knows how long. Only ones scared of it are feds and the ones still trusting the system. I'll say it again, my hobbies are above whatever you're afraid of
>>1252355 You're missing the point. I'm saying that your hobbies are not safe either way.
>>1246578 >do you miss obscene anime titties? I prefer tasteful cute-lewd with a sprinkle of innocence, but obscene titties is fine too. >they will return? They're returning now as we speak. >gook and chink games I'm already spending most of my time playing gook and chink gate games. The rest are spent on /hgg2d/ stuff, and I'm starting to see some Taiwanese circles posting their works in that space.
>>1252380 *gate gacha. Fuck auto-correct.
>>1252370 And am saying that I don't think so, and its a risk worth taking. Heck, I'd sell the government to the dumbest nig if needed
>>1251810 >that detract from your attention in the game. what level of brainlet are you? or are you a cartoon character, and your eyes jump out of your skull every time you see a woman?
>>1252437 Some people are like that, not that it helps his case though
>>1252346 That policy only really hit children, restricting their game time. Much of the broader restrictions on monetization, obscenity, violence, and nihilism has been rolled back and the guy pushing it removed after their was pushback from their people and the market. At most, they might slightly de-lewd designs, being more generous in some gacha addiction bs, and push the anti-ccp communication censorship, but the overall trend has been toward lessening restrictions and not worsening it. The biggest proof to myself in recent times was girls frontline 2's absolute coomer tier shiet, zzz, various dark souls clone attempts, some shooters, somehow mostly depozzing marvel rivals (a damn western ip) etc. So for now, I'd say it's rather optimistic in this market alone. Will it last? Hard to say, but I'm thinking they're having their explosive Japan/SK moment right now. It's at least welcomed for now imo.
>>1252380 I still find myself playing old games or Japanese games most of the time >they're returning now somewhat? I think they remained overall the same as always but it was mostly shit coming to the west or mainstream garbage that was getting censored. I assume it was a threat of some sort like not allowing them to do any business in here unless they comply with the western sensibilities. However I agree that gooks have been pushing things further lately despite all the faggot censorship they used to have and still have, they are probably getting paid by the companies or they just aren't enforcing those rules anymore, good thing for them >taiwanese circles posting their works qrd? I got faith in the Taiwanese. From what I remember, they are partly responsible for things like Kancolle
>>1252437 Sex sells, anon. It's a psychological feature used to trick you just like a million other unsavory practices in the industry like skins, lootboxes, battle passes and fake progression. Shit like senran kagura and genshit is where I put my limits in accepting sex that is being used to trick me, but was still done tastefully. Stuff like Nikke and that other blue-whatever gacha of the ass grabbing girl that got popular recently disgust me. There's barely a game under those, it's basically porn.
>>1252549 I can say from a fact that Blue Archive(if thats the one you refer to) has no nudity, with a few swimsuits being a rare exception. If anything its the heavy doujinshi culture that carries the porn it gets which are all fan works. Its as OP mentioned, the primary focus is cute over the random tits flying around. Its all about the character design, many borderline porn games will barely get any art compared to it as a result
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>>1252680 I got the colors confused. I know about Blue Archive, and even though it's sexualized, it's just about at the same level as genshin so whatever, it's not really what I'm talking about. I was thinking of BrownDust2.
>>1252760 I dont really care about overt fanservice like that as long as it has good gameplay. If I wanted girls I find aesthetically pleasing, I'll play moddable games or loliges because I am not into thick pigs but I can ignore those
>>1252246 No it doesn't depend you feminist faggot. There is nothing wrong with lewd designs.
>>1246578 There is an interesting case with Love and Deepspace happening too, afaik not even one of the founders of Mihoyo understands how the fuck this is selling more than their games combined.
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Unless you've seen the characters in Unleashed by Iustice don't even talk to me about over-sexualized designs. It doesn't push the envelope, it throws it clear out the window.
>>1253026 Is that a gacha?
>>1246845 Please at least try to speak like a human being.
>>1252549 sex appeal isn't remotely related to the gacha problem, and the horniest gachas are not the most successful. and the designs aren't sexy so people excuse the gameplay, it's so people will gamble on them.
>>1252512 >qrd? I saw some /hgg2d/ games made by non-Japanese studios, most likely Taiwanese. I hope they start growing in number.
>>1246578 Didn't read. But in all seriousness, sex used to be a thing that was in all media. Like in the 80s you would have Red Sonja flashing her titties in the 18+ comics with bikini warriors walking around a Bethesda game like there is zero problem in the world. As always, what has happened is America. Or namely, America's intense enslavement to its puritan heritage which comes and goes in a cycle depending on who is in charge. Left or right, the same trend always applies. >When I'm not in charge, I'm all for free love and sex because it's an easy way to get young people who's dicks still work on my side >When I'm in charge, I harshly restrict violence and sex because the young people use it to subvert my ideals. This cycle has been going on since the first settlers landed in America. They landed in America because Victorian England wasn't puritan enough for them. America in general is a lost cause. Reminder that our parents, the people who were at Woodstock, founded the free love movement, and who's greatest childhood memories was listening to Hendrix while smoking weed and having free sex, are the same ones who have turned into puritans who are now trying to restrict Japanese games and ban fictional Bikinis because they "hurt women".
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>>1251810 >I also don't want exaggerated titties that detract from your attention in the game. This isn't a based take at all, you are basically no different than the Soccer Mom on Fox News complaining that the Video Game Doom turned her child into a psychopath. You never once, in the 20 years prior, considered titties, sex, or women to have ever detracted from the game up until titillation was made taboo in your mind as a distracting factor. Same with every other culture warrior trying to ban sex. Before, a game having a hot woman in revealing clothing was just referred to as 'normal'. It's not something you can claim you weren't old enough to remember, it's only been 11 years since the industry went full-retard. Every single game you think of as being made in the golden age was also made in the era of big tits and hot women. These things are all connected to the attitude of the industry they were made in and are inseparable.
>many people would blame this on western censorship, but I don't think that's entirely the case. We have Japanese producers and localizers themselves telling us that global trends like #meToo and so-called "different Western values" influence games coming out of Japan. You are simply living under a rock because Japanese used to have both cute and sexy at the same time, but now they can't even do both without asking permission from their Western masters. This isn't even mentioning how the Nips have to deal with their country's bullshit like CERO and the annoying feminists there. Also not even lewd fanarts are safe because we have Western credit card companies like VISA forcing their own ethics on websites like DLSite, potentially killing some doujin games. A lot of this shit happened for years, more recently in the past year or two. Honestly it doesn't surprise me some fag from cuckchan barely does any research and just talks shit out of his ass, but the issue is that even your own anons there talked about this shit and most of you just made fun of them.
>>1248026 >I go to games for games and porn for porn. Besides specifically porn games, I don't see why anyone should care one way or another beyond literal proven censorship. Your attitudes toward games and porn are connected and what you consider porn now would have been referred to as "Games" 20 years ago. Shifting the window in your mind has always been the end-goal of puritanism and censorship. They've conquered your mind, so it doesn't matter what games release anymore. If a game that was every bit a game released in the PSP generation were to come out, you'd think of it as porn now because you've lost the fight in your mind.
>>1246845 >>1247874 This Worst part is: These games going ultra puritan is the reason exploitative Gacha games can thrive. The numbers these Gacha Games make used to be the numbers real games made before they were infested with feminist brainworms. >>1247907 Again, who cares about Gacha phone games? Real games should be getting this audience, not this crap.
I dont frequent echochamber circlejerks like Reddit or Resetera, neither i use jewish payement systems. I only play good games. The only winning move is to not play bad games
It's funny woke retards ignore gacha which is the most sex appealing product out there and a single gacha game no matter which that has the sexist anime girls makes the entirety of profit of every single western woke game in a month
>>1253256 >what you consider porn now would have been referred to as "Games" 20 years ago No anon, the stream of doujin I saw last night would not have been considered video games at any point in time.
>>1246845 Can you post something that didn't ride the coattails of an already existing IP? Don't act like it was the LGBT stuff that made those games sell well.
>>1253240 >You never once, in the 20 years prior, considered titties, sex, or women to have ever detracted from the game up until titillation was made taboo in your mind What? Unironically, you're really stupid. Again, I won't stop you from enjoying the kind of sexualized content you want in games, but if you truly believe shit like >>1252760 would be considered normal even in the industry 20, 30 years ago you're retarded. It's the kind of shit you'd see on horny flash games found in adult websites, not a real game, and it's what a lot of people seem to want to be the norm. Real games just had bikini armor and attractive women which is what I want too and I'm perfectly OK with. You're just as reactionary as the Soccer Moms you seem to deride so much, only that you're coming from the other side and just being counter culture for attention, because in no sensible world would you play that kind of shit openly in a metro without being judged hardcore by everyone around you, it's indistinguishable from porn, but maybe you are too much of an unsociable outcast that never learned basic etiquette and human behavior. kys
>>1252437 Are you a retard? That's not even anyone's point. If you were playing a serious and bleak story driven game do you think q typical gachawhore with tits bigger than her head would fit in? Time and place. Also not saying all women have to be goblinas like the Californians want, but they can be attractive without looking like literal succubi.
>>1246578 >now the other aspect of this that I find interesting is that this trend does not seem to be replicated in other asian countries China exports propaganda. Did you see that thing about Tiktok, how it deliberately shows highly-sexual content to american minors, but is far more reserved in its own country? The exaggerated debauchery is CHINK SUBVERSION. For Japan though, it's sad to see them bend to outside influence. There's so much pressure from everywhere to destroy Japanese "media culture", especially loli. I'm 10x more upset about fucking puritans barging in and removing all of the lolis than I am about anime tiddies and vulgar shit like nikke.
>>1254037 >because in no sensible world would you play that kind of shit openly in a metro without being judged hardcore by everyone around you, it's indistinguishable from porn, but maybe you are too much of an unsociable outcast that never learned basic etiquette and human behavior. kys Metro? Are you going to be playing your video games on the train next to Barry Norf FC and N'gubu? I think you're actually fucking retarded.
>>1246785 It 100% is american influence. They poisoned the movie industry with hays' code long ago and they keep doing it with other media today
>>1253251 >You are simply living under a rock because Japanese used to have both cute and sexy at the same time that's not entirely true though, especially when it comes to idolshit which I see as gaining an increasing share of conceptual space. even if you look at the original idolm@ster from 2005 it was clearly occupying a different space than your big titty bikini armor series like ikkitousen or whatever. or you can look at love live, which aired out in the same year as qwaser, where there was a massive scandal because fans thought one of the vas had done porn. you can't tell me these are the same people who were watching a show where characters moan like porn stars while getting milk sucked out of their tits. idolshit is all about image, and part of that image is restricted sexuality. this has nothing to do with the censorship being imposed on other segments of jap culture.
>>1252317 well sure, sony did no favors to the franchise but no franchise can thrive on tits alone. it needs more, and senran didn't have it
>>1256283 >and senran didn't have it Senran had plenty of it. It had a great story and fun gameplay. It was doing fantastically well. It is entirely sonys fault that it is getting axed.
>>1247537 impressive. very based.
>>1248319 >Dudes in their 30s don't want anime tits wrong
>>1249059 Anon, big tits have always sold.
>>1246578 It's hard to have this discussion since there's multiple points of view that have been shaped by different eras. In the 80's until the late 90's, porn was mostly inaccessible or hard to come by for children and teens, the internet changed that. Most people weren't addicted to porn and sexual representations were at most risqué. Skimpy clothes, a nipple slip, a cameltoe. Body proportions were reasonable and not completely out of whack and designed specifically to be as sexual as possible. For example, Lara Croft was THE sexiest game character at the time. There was a very distinct barrier between a pornographic game and actual games. Nowadays it's no sex appeal at all, negative sex appeal (muh gorilla-faced black empowered lesbian with vitiligo and cellulite) or almost porn. The barrier between an actual game with sexy characters and a porn game is very thin, most of the time it's just a case of having an explicit sex scene or not. Now, before other anons start accusing me of being a fag or a tranny, I see no problem if you want to buy or develop these kind of games, do whatever the fuck you want. But if you can't see that content has been getting more and more degenerate, going from just a small part of a game to almost the main reason the game exists, you're fucking blind. Would anyone have given a damn about Stellar Blade if it was just a bunch of generic space marines instead of what actually is? Please don't fall into the trap of being contrarian just because of what leftists think.
>>1257110 Things are not more degenerate, they are just more extreme in specific directions, these are not the same. I deem the 80s culture of drug cartels shooting each other in the streets and gen Xers trying out every high class drug for a cheap price just as degenerate, its just another kind of degenerate and people love to ignore the degeneracy they approve while focusing entirely into somebody else's >porn in the 90s mostly inaccessible or hard to come by spoken like a zoom, the 90s had already made porn readily available, video stores selling porn were probably at the highest point of their lives. You'd often have a guy bringing porn mags to school and sometimes they'd sell these out for like a dollar or less, these became really easy to get, guys would often ask something like their big brothers or some young adult to buy it for them, you'd know if you were there. Sometimes you were even offered a promo as part of another mag, by paying a few nickels you'd receive a skimpy mag, in fact, this shit dates all the way back to pin-up era prior to WW2, maybe even before >body proportions were not out of whack >internet made it much easier probably the only shit that's actually true in your post but I don't see how thats actually any worse than how things already were given the internet killed 18+ video stores >inb4 le flavorful porn threads like these always devolved into that kind of nonsense because it was obvious from the start the focus was somebody else's degeneracy, not the one they approve
My problem is that eastern fanservice is too "clean" and western 'fanservice' is too "dirty" now. Like most recent jap/korean/chinese games have their hot femme fatal babes look like ps vita dolls and I have never been attracted to that shit. They look flawless and off an assembly line in a bad way, I kind of want my hot sexy action ladies to be slightly rough like an unpolished diamond. And now western shit seems to want to be as gay and repulsive as possible or they'll give literal disney shit and people will cum to offmodel porn of it when all I want from warrior women is raw sex ladies that look like they'd fuck like a wild tiger like Shahdee from PoP Warrior Within or that chick from Golden Axe.
>>1254195 >far more reserved in their country more like forbidden from what I gather also >1pbitd
>>1258045 >people will cum to off-models that answers it, people with different fetishes will be into different stuff. The old 70s/80s warrior woman trend that had them with chiseled jaws and somewhat muscular is a fetish by itself
>>1257977 >spoken like a zoom I'm from 89, buddy. I guess my childhood was very different from yours, pornography was very hard to come by where I lived. Yes, there were porn mags, but you had to have guts to go the cashier and try to buy them. The first time I actually read a porn mag was in my 20's, and it was just by chance. >I don't see how thats actually any worse than how things already were If you can't see how porn is now everywhere and a lot more extreme than what was available in general decades ago, then there's nothing to be discussed. The overton window of sexual content shifted a LOT since the internet became popular.
>>1258123 >read my first porn mag in my 20s lived under a rock, then >porn is now more extreme and more accessible Which I never denied. Once again, all I read is you trying to glaze the 80s and 90s degeneracy over today's. Things will keep moving in that direction, nothing will improve and the 80s/90s are gone
>>1246578 Anyone against attractive fictional women is a retarded liberal that should be killed, simple as.
>>1248391 This, hand sized titties are the best.
>>1256283 It literally used to be Marvelous' flagship series, and Burst Re;Newal sold well enough that it got into Steam's Top Releases for January 2019, and IIRC that was well past the franchise's peak. I'd say it was doing pretty well for itself before Soyny started bitching out. https://store.steampowered.com/sale/2019_top_new
>>1246578 >would blame this on western censorship It's not Western censorship, it's Western idealism seeping into Japanese culture. Japan is basically America's little brother at this point, even more so than Canada
>>1258646 There is nothing "ideal" about the ideas being injected into Japan by subversive agents.
Blame globalization of desires due to PC gaming and world wide localization being considered with SJWs and anything sexual being hypersexual to match western culture of sexualzation. It's all due to the idea of if anything is tame with being sexual, SJWs will hate it and it won't be sexual enough for anybody else who wants sexuality in the modern day with coomers. It's a very tough spot where once everybody moved to PC due to Sony censorship, it forced drastic changes to self censor or go heavily with sexualization. I don't think it's a fad overall unless there is a drastic shift in western culture and influence, which can only really happen through negative economic means.
>>1258705 Japanese and Japanese-style eroges/H-games are getting targeted just as heavily as Vita-style ecchi. Just look at Alicesoft's history trying to release on Steam. Or how they rejected Order US! on the flimsiest, most bullshit premises. It has little to do with being "not sexual enough for coomers". It is a deliberate, coordinated attempt to force works that directly appeal to male and particularly male otaku sexuality out of the market.
>>1258865 There are sites for more lewd games at least. A part of it is Steam actively doesn't want any kind of lawsuit, so they ban anything they don't want to be used for. Steam does have straight up porn games and only remove the mom rape one due to backlash. SJWs heavily focus on Asian games much more than western ones due to racism against non-western culture and ideas. It sucks.
>>1258646 >idealism Nah, its at least 90% westoid agenda politics even in the best case scenario, the intervention on Japan's economy and society isn't doing them any favor. My guess is japanese companies and politicians are/were getting the extra dollars, there is nothing new about that given shit like monroe's policies and cold war interventionism were already a thing. Worst even, most of the rainbowshit was being funded by the EU and the US, they even targeted 3rd world countries >>1258705 >through negative economic means I wouldn't count on it, even with today's fuckups and godawful debt they don't want to give in allies, tariffs themselves are pretty much a form of blackmail and a way for them to stay afloat in world's geopolitics. But yes, it'd be ideal if its drowned to the point of a major collapse or complete irrelevancy, US foreign policies or diplomacy cannot be trusted, not even by an inch. Closest thing Japan could do is join some alliance with other asian countries, becoming less reliant on said dollars while staying independent enough for them to keep their creative freedom, and maybe jailing the politicians taking the extra dollars
>>1246578 >historically japan has had a reputation for sexualized content in vidya. you would look at games like dead or alive xtreme or oneechanbara and think "this kind of game could only be made in japan." No, you were just ignorant. We played western games with patched sex minigames (GTA) and games with literal topless women (BMA). You just don't know any better, but that's not reflective of how games used to be. >lately though it seems like this trend has been reversing. jap games are not as sexy as they used to be. Also a (you) problem. You're looking exclusively at studios owned by AAA devs and are saying "wow there aren't any fucking titties in here what the fuck". Steam is getting a constant influx of Japanese hentai titles while other non-adult games just roll the ecchi in naturally. >deadchan This also didn't age well as it's already back. You've said nothing correct in your entire post. You are wrong in every single sentence. That's impressive, as you wrote very many sentences.
>>1259020 >You're looking exclusively at studios owned by AAA devs Compare Compile Heart's post-2020 output to their pre-2020 output. Compare what GUST puts out now to what they used to make. Compare the newest Dead or Alive game to the previous ones. Look at Inti Creates and how they refuse to make another Gal*Gun. Look at the sad, pathetic pozzed shell that Marvelous is nowadays. Look at Aquaplus saying they need to censor their games for Steam. IT'S NOT JUST FUCKING AAA GAMES!
>>1248391 >too big to fit in your mouth you're not supposed to put the whole tiddie down your throat dumbass
>>1259129 CH bowing down to the west was big on /v/ from what I remember and so was Aquaplus, or pretty much anything that has to do with Steam's censorship. Sony became the laughing stock for enforcing censorship that wasnt even on Nintendo
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>>1259020 western games have never treated sex in the way that eastern ones do. even in gta or bmx xxx it was in a "hehe boobies" sense that was supposed to make the game seem shocking and mature. it was completely different than something like doax2 which was made to be titillating.
>>1259519 >implied sex scenes in GTA and GoW >non-porn games btw >asian games dont have those unless its directly a porn game or a running gag
>>1258865 >second pic That is absolutely not a "flat chest". Also I'm going to fucking laugh if "Mary" ever gets doxxed.
>>1258865 I hope Mary dies in a fire.
>>1246578 >jap games are not as sexy as they used to be they are, but they've been herded towards (((gacha))) on purpose games on actual platforms (i.e. not mobile) are getting cucked thanks to (((global sensibilities))), (((ESG/BRIDGE))) and (((foreign investment))) money, and (((credit card))) kikery
>>1259972 flat is a relative term
>>1259156 just her cock
>>1256210 He's talking about games in general. I don't know why are you so focused on using idol projects which are a completely different genre and offer a different kind of fanservice as the out for these companies following clear disincentives put out by banks and private equity firms. I feel like you're being dishonest. The market for lewd stuff clearly existed before and things like did well enough. Some of it was successful enough abroad too, then it gets censored or stop being made because of changed guidelines. Increased censorship and even big Japanese publishers like Capcom and Sega saying that they now self-censor internally before localization "for the global audience". >idolshit is all about image, and part of that image is restricted sexuality. this has nothing to do with the censorship being imposed on other segments of jap culture. I think you're being dishonest and incredibly stupid at the same time. You keep repeating yourself with this cope and keep patting yourself on your back because you managed to rationalize something an outside force is forcing to happen as "natural market factors". There's an invisible hand and it isn't the market, buddy.
>>1246845 The point is that companies that pander to schizoids on Twitter lose on potential revenue rather than the certain sales. Silent Hill selling a lot is nothing new, but it permanently alienated a lof of the actual fans that would have bought future entries. I think something similar happened with the Crash Bandicoot remakes, everyone bought the trilogy because of nostalgia (aside from being a good deal), but come Crash 4 and the oldschool fans who got disappointed by the direction of the series just ignored it and trendy people and normalfags couldn't care less if it wasn't something they could easily clear.
>>1246578 I hate how most arguments are either you have to like ugly women that look like men in wigs or half naked women with tits and asses bigger than their head. No inbetween. Why can't we just have good looking women that are not designed to appeal to either trannies or gooners, but just normal people that don't want to look at freaks of nature?
I remember when Illusion was an obscure Japanese company. Their greed is their downfall. To live happy, live hidden.
>>1280167 It's the fate of all publicly traded companies. To crash and burn for the sake of capital.
Sadly, Japan has become mostly irrelevant in the vidya sphere over the years. If it weren't for Nintendo, they would be. The pozzing of the ganes industry has been a tragic disaster
>>1277073 I bring up idolshit because it seems like almost all of the popular made in japan gachashits that aren't some short lived anime/game tie in are idolshit or idolshit adjacent these days. I'm not talking about games crapcom is making for the global market, I'm specifically talking about games made for the domestic audience with little or no concern for international sales.
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>>1259519 Seeing this images makes me really disheartened, because Nu GoW has completely abandoned any amount of sexuality the older ones had which wasn't just "oh MC is fucking more sluts" the various oracles and other women actually looked hot. Feels like every Sony IP abandoned all the babes that complimented the meat of the main game.
>>1278738 People are addicted to extremes and flip-flopping between whatever ideas are contrarian to the norm. People got tired of sexualized trophy wives, so they flipped towards realistic-style women that embody both masculine and feminine traits (though unfortunately a lot of the times they just make them dudes with boobs) and generally have all the warts and issues real people tend to have (often times glorified or glazed over as to not invite criticism over them), and people made rallying behind that their entire personality and casus belli. Now that that's considered the norm, you have people wanting outright porn models with massive jiggling tits and ass that constantly perform sexual innuendoes and exist solely to please the player instead of existing as their own character, and people made supporting THAT their entire personality and goal in life. People seemingly don't want the nuance and balance of just "making characters that can be visually appealing yet also interesting and developed" because there's still the fantastical "wish fulfilment" element that the realism camp dislikes and the idea that the character needs to have dozens upon dozens of oddities and quirks for the sake of it instead of using them tactfully for character development and world building and whatnot, and the sexual gratification camp believes that such characters are "safe horny" or whatever buzzword of the week they've adopted because they may not appeal entirely to conventional sex appeal standards and because the characters are written to have their own relationships and goals instead of being harembait for the player that exist solely to get into lewd situations and make suggestive poses towards. Personally I just want nice looking characters that're also interesting and well written with some form of artistic/narrative intent, but apparently that's just fence sitting if the way those two groups act is anything to go by.
>>1253209 >Reminder that our parents, the people who were at Woodstock, founded the free love movement, and who's greatest childhood memories was listening to Hendrix while smoking weed and having free sex, are the same ones who have turned into puritans who are now trying to restrict Japanese games and ban fictional Bikinis because they "hurt women". Oh, nothing’s changed. They have “free love” now than ever before, and it is far more “free” than ever before, unless you’re a straight white men of course. But this isn’t contradictory to the free love moment, on the contrary it is the natural continuation of it. It was always about promoting faggotry, whoremongering, and ultimately help establish cultural marxism. Straight men at the time just happened to take advantage of it, but it was by no means for them. Divorce rates increases as amount of sexual partners spouses have had increased, and Jewish media started churning out no end of books, tv shows, movies, And now we’re in the situation where a healthy relationship is all but impossible due to the absolute state of modern women. So there’s no hypocrisy here, and certainly no Puritanism when leftist demand all female characters be ugly gorillas in hijabs while slicking to bara porn. The sexual revolution is doing exactly what it was intended to; give feminists, gay faggots, niggers, and trannies unbridled license to engage in as much cockmongling excess as possible at the expense of white men. But you don’t want to admit
The current state of western media puritanism has amazed me that somehow ideological puritanism has beaten out a desire for money, it's baffling. I can hardly think of any other industry where this is the case. Every single AAA company over the past ~10 years has been trying their hardest to commit suicide in appealing to a demographic that doesn't exist (while simultaneously sabotaging cultures that don't capitulate through platform gatekeeping) I would understand if this were a bad cyberpunk setting where money is flowing in from shadow organizations but...that really doesn't seem to be the case given that many studios are laying people off with stock prices and sales plummeting. Hopefully the 2030s will improve things somewhat, or at the very least that these old dinosaurs will die and get replaced.
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>>1277073 >There's an invisible hand and it isn't the market, buddy. nta but I don't see a functional difference between the invisible hand and the market. They're basically two sides of the same apparatus now. It's increasingly hard to disentangle what is and isn't organic. >>1295613 This position is too reasonable to be monetizable to the corpos, shills, ecelebs and useful idiots who profit from keeping the pendulum swinging as hard as possible. >>1295825 picrel
>>1298917 <All those who censors sexy characters are puritan >Not really. Feminists believe women should be allowed to dress like sluts and engage in rampant whore-mongering free of criticism, and in-fact believe women should be free from all accountability in general. They only censor artwork depicting sexualised female characters because they appeal to men while actively encouraging gay porn. Your logic for calling them puritans is an Incredibly superficial oversimplification. <y-You’re incapable of understanding nuance! Ironic.
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>>1298754 >somehow ideological puritanism has beaten out a desire for money Are you completely unaware of the fact that these companies are getting paid by investment companies and even the actual government to sanitize these products? They don't need to sell
>>1299297 No, you're right. My take was naive as I've generally avoided all /v/ and twitter culture wars for the past decade but the evident thing that would make sense is that it's 10-30 executives at the top getting payouts and the actual workers getting fired/turned into a revolving door outsourced sweatshop, the layoffs don't matter to anyone actually in charge, or profitability for that matter. The whole entertainment industry has stopped being about making money and instead is for a few executives or leaders in each company to sell out and use their product or platform as a cheap propaganda tool to pump and dump like a crypto scam. Kill me, back to ignoring AAA outside of checking in every 5 years or so. I just stopped paying attention or buying most mainstream games around ~2013 or so and hoped things would improve but they never did and I'm still playing (mostly) pre 2016 AAA games or indie titles for the foreseeable future. Corporate sterile domination of all platforms and all media has killed my interest and I should just focus on real life, anyway, that's enough doomering, to be positive there's clearly a massive market opening for any AA and indie developers that want to fill this void, it's never been better if you can code and draw.
>>1299634 Don't respond to Will Martin aka Willy aka Niggerpill.
>>1299585 It's okay blackpill-kun. When AI simulations are perfected, compute privileges have replaced money, and subscription platforms are the only way to access the resources needed to run them, nobody will even remember feminism, or the woke, or much of anything else really. Video games as you know them will likely become like board games, and they'll be excellent because the only people making and supporting them will be the most hardcore adherents. There might even be an after school club.
>>1246578 >gacha games are safe? Many voices in Japan already stated they should stop having political correctness in game and anime, and they should first make games for them. On the other hand they also have laws baked in giving the government to censor any games/anime which pretty much works like a Damocles sword. But as long as they start doing their own thing, they can deal with any local roadblocks their government give them since there's less international noise and they can focus on the local stuff.
>>1299589 >How Time to go find out, I'm not sure either. Personally I think we're just in the first dark age of the internet and of electronic media. The sane people are hidden away in private discord group equivalents that you have to hunt and find to avoid the mobs/bots, anywhere public is on sanitized platforms that don't allow you to be honest; or are overrun with bots. It's not about being free to publish a game with anime tiddies, it's about the very concept of free expression that is dying online, strangled in ideological madness. And I think gen Z, and especially gen A will eventually become tired of it but for now we're in this awful transitionary period of corporate control where the levers are Twitter, Reddit, Discord and bot controlled 4chan. A new paradigm will eventually happen but if not, at least we can all take solace in remembering the golden age haha... for now I'll just shitpost with the other oldfags on new years while drunk. But it is frustrating. Culture as a whole seems to have not moved on from ~2014, and we can type on small scattered boards like this one but the outside world is still going to be as reddit TOS/twitter addicted and dominated as ever whereas before it was boomers being addicted to fox news, you wouldn't ever interact with them. Now you do. They are in your hobbies, your corporate boards, and on your imageboards. It's genuinely up to gen Z/A now to get irritated and change culture. ...anyway, whining won't change much. I could write a book on how frustrated I am from growing up on the internet and seeing the modern state of things. I'm sure (you) could too. Let's hope for a better future. The only alternative is to get power yourself and try to make it happen
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>>1299661 even one of the main goyim which was sega is abandoning the west and just making yakuza wacky again the fuck are you on about nigger
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>>1246578 >Light-bulb moment. >Go to 4jeet to see what news is prompting another wave of antijapan propaganda spam. >Another PS5 price increase. Sounds about right.
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>>1258865 Steam in particular is a mess and its a complete roulette if you get approved or not depending on which reviewer gets assigned to your project. Evenicle 1 has a loli character and it got approved just fine, you even had one of the trap games having a shota character and it got approved. Honestly, steam alternatives need to band together otherwise roasties like Mary will decide what you can and can't buy.
>>1246778 >Blah blah blah safer designs appeal to a wider market and make more money, simple as that Anime is infinitely more popular than modern western animation
>>1252330 >>1252330 >unity and unreal 5 slop >optimistic No thanks. Real devs devoted to their passion and ideas will write their own engines. Unity and UE5 (and whatever else pre-baked engines there might be that I'm not aware of) is a guaranteed money grab game build on/around current game trends and thus an automatic big no-no from me. Also an immediate [NIGGERLISTED] stamp on that bad boi.
>>1248023 >Most women don't like fanservice in the same way that men do Play an MMORPG. Or watch a bitch play the Sims. This is a total bullshit piece of propaganda pushed by fags and fag hags. Men want to see hot women, women want to see hot women they can project themselves onto being taken and/or abused by not necessarily hot men, or even monsters and animals. Change the cover of any fanservicy game to include even just an innuendo of violent or forceful sexual conduct, and you got Twilight or 50 shades.
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>>1718758 Women like what men like because they have little to no agency and plenty just do it for the attention. The only people who push for the feminization of everything either do it out of a misguided attempt to achieve a bigger market share or to create jobs for their faggot friends.
>>1718846 And out of spite. You forgot spite.
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>>1719024 Well, they should get some more sprite if they're out of it!
>>1718846 Nah, I'm saying men and women's tastes as to which kind of women they like in their media are the same but for different reasons The real reason women never played Vidya as much as boys is because vidya is a new form of media and it has become socially acceptable only relatively recently The perception that it's "for girls" is really all that matters, the proof is every best seller of the last 50 years. It's literally porn and the women in it are hot. The movies they like are porn. The tv series they like are porn. Women like to see hot women and pretend to be them.
I don't mind big titties in my video games or anime or other media, but actually make a good product in the process. Big tiddies aren't gonna magically make a POS gacha skinner box into a good game. Neither is it gonna redeem a boring 400 hour JRPG that's mostly just hallways and grinding. If you make a steak out of cheap cuts of meat, taped together with meat glue and other fillers, then don't expect anime tiddy A1 sauce to make it taste good.
>>1246578 I think the difference between borderline hentai gacha games and triple A studios is that the former actually make money from the users (and they know their target audience very well), while the latter are like newspaper and other legacy media that's struggling to stay afloat despite all the insane milking techniques, so they rely on investment firms keeping them afloat as a repurposed propaganda tool.
>>1246878 >wedding dress outfits for loli characters what honse's loli?


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