>>1964171 >He didn't buy RAM before the bubble EL OH EL

>>1964171 Thankfully retro RAM has been completely untouched by this silliness, not that I really need anymore of it except maybe some good DDR1 for my socket 939 retro system.

Why not just use DDR4?

>>1964171 Looking up hardware news is turning into doomscrolling at this point.

well, was all the AI generated meme shit worth the cost?

>>1964247 DDR4 got hit almost as bad

>>1964267 It isn't even worth the electricity it runs on.

>>1964267 Memecoins and AI slop is literally all PC hardware and the internet gets used for anymore. Was it worth it?

>>1964267 Not even a bit. This AI shit isn't even content to just ruin prices for PC builders. The environment, and people's livelihood are getting fucked too in their pursuit of garbage AI shit that is nowhere near ready for most of the things they are already using it for.

>>1964267 Lewds of my obscure waifu from decades ago that only like 10 people in the world remember went up from about 5 images to infinity so I'd chalk that up as a win.

>>1964267 It's literally a power grab by the elites and it's going to drastically alter the economy to the point where 80% or 90% of the population will be poor and at the behest of wealthy kikes. The purposeful increase in housing prices (even adjusted for inflation), inflation, migrants who accept lower wages, automation, etc is all a ploy to irradicate the middle class and reduce the rest of the population to serfdom

>>1964349 >not dedicating your life to perfecting lewds of your waifu, enjoying every painstaking step of the artistic process as you bring your waifu to form >instead relying on the lootboxes of art and gambling over and over again until you get something you deem "least bad" to add to your collection You are weak, your bloodline is weak, and you will not survive the winter. Waifus everywhere weep, and may bit rot take form as an eldritch God without form to liberate these waifus from the minds of such pitiful men.

>>1964448 Can you imagine how many artists are just never gonna bother perfecting their skills now because AI is already pumping out perfect art of their old school, forgotten waifus? Sad shit

>>1964525 >AI <perfect art Lol

>>1964525 >AI >perfect art

>>1964267 If it brings us closer to robot servants and robot wives and robot daughters, I'm okay with that.

The upside to pc games being garbage/ death of AAA is that we don’t have to care about specs. I’m still on a 2080ti and feel NO desire to upgrade.

>>1964606 My 1660 super is repeatedly being stressed lately with anything relatively new. I had a good run with it though, especially for the cost. I'm praying for a decent black Friday sale before gpu prices go back into high orbit like everything else has/is going to.

>>1964525 Felt like there was more not bothering with getting better than passable at best, before AI, than there will be people nopeing out after AI. >>1964590 The only thing you'll get is something even more retarded than the Matrix and Skynet but in the form of the Crushinator from Futurama.

I still haven't updated my shit from 10 years ago and still don't care since new videogames have sucked ass for over 20 years. I would have updated if most ps3 games didn't suck ass.

>>1964267 I've been shitting on end user-focused AI for like a decade at this point. I'm certainly not scared of it but I can't see it balancing out to anything other than overwhelmingly negative. Machine learning has some applications that are positive and borderline revolutionary (medical imaging, materials science) and others that are more worrying (autonomous weapons, novel molecule discovery) but the toys and chatbots that make up almost 100% of what the average consoomer sees are just a social cancer plain and simple. >>1964590 Pic rel. >>1964606 >>1964626 When I built my PC a couple of years ago I """splurged""" on a 3060 TI that was on sale and it's been a trooper. Only games with absolute dogshit optimization have ever given it any trouble, notably the MH Wilds playtest, DD2 and the ~20 hours I put into a pirated copy of Starfield out of morbid curiosity.

>>1964709 >I've been shitting on end user-focused AI for like a decade at this point. I'm certainly not scared of it but I can't see it balancing out to anything other than overwhelmingly negative. Machine learning has some applications that are positive and borderline revolutionary (medical imaging, materials science) and others that are more worrying (autonomous weapons, novel molecule discovery) but the toys and chatbots that make up almost 100% of what the average consoomer sees are just a social cancer plain and simple. That's the joke though.

>>1964709 it doesn't have to be perfect or fast, just good enough and reliable.

When the bubble inevitable pops what companies do you think won't survive? god I hope nvidia crashes and burns.

>>1964735 Only thousands of literal who jeet startups will fail. Companies like nvidia just buy their way into government contracts so they become impossible to kill.

>>1964626 >>1964709 I'm looking to build my first serious PC, what graphics card should I get? My friend is pushing me to get the 5070ti but that sounds like overkill plus it's fucking expensive. I want something that will last a good amount of time before i have to upgrade it.

>>1964904 It all depends on what you want it for

>>1964904 3060 is doing perfectly well for me. Stuff like helldivers 2 runs great. The only problems I have with it I am 99%sure is because of linux and nvidia drivers not co-operating.

>>1964904 Get a 3080 Will play anything for an affordable price

>>1964904 >what graphics card should I get? What you can afford that performs at the level you want it to in the games that you play. Literally no one can answer "what GPU should I buy?" without a metric fuckton of context, especially on an imageboard where anon's tastes and software utilization are esoteric as fuck.

>>1964735 The chances of Nvidia crashing and dying are literally 0, they're still the only supplier of an essential product that will still be useful even if we have a large surplus for it (compute). Even if we don't reach general intelligence, we can still automate maybe 80% of cognitive tasks literally today, this very moment, if we just focus in harnessing the LLMs we have access to today with the right tools, context and "training" (prompts), and use the surplus compute only for running inference (the process that makes an LLM output a response), as that's MUCH MUCH cheaper than actually training things. In fact, as a whole, if we removed training entirely from the equation, it turns out that running inference alone is PROFITABLE if you balance your compute capacity + electricity costs just right, so I guarantee you that that part is going nowhere.

>>1964915 >>1964926 Ok lets ask it this way: what would I need a 5070ti for? My friend is unfortunately captivated by normgroid games, so I'll possibly be playing GTA VI at some point in the future.

>>1964968 That I guess The most perdormance heavy games I play are Bannerlord, Dying Light The Beast and I want to try STALKER 2 when it's actually finished so I don't need anything beyond my RTX 4080 and that's already overkill. Most of what I play is from the 90s/00s

>>1964963 The part going nowhere right now (lol) is niggers from the government skimming taxes and lying their asses off.

>>1964968 If rockstar does not decide on a significant upgrade inbetween the ps5 and pc relase you should be fine with the 5070ti, personally id get something that suits your needs better and upgrade once gta 6 relases in 2030 or whenever it will

>>1964904 I sure hope you got ram beforehand. If windows: Consider nvidia, they're inflated but if you want to do any AI slop or AI slop gamewise (fake frames and all that) they're unfortunately the leader of the pack. If you're not made out of money or linux-fag: Ignore nvidia entirely and just do AMD. I have a 6750 xt. It's medium-end right now and you can get it anywhere from $280-320. If I myself were to upgrade it'd be to a AMD 9070 series card. 9070 is very good value but it starts costly (550$ minimum.) >>1964968 Modern games? That does sting. Nvidia's been very stingy on VRAM and being a vramlet will cuck you on shit like Stalker 2 or GTA VI. That being said, more and more games are bottlenecked by the CPU (I think both Dragons Dogma 2 and Stalker 2 had this problem.) So a card with decent vram (12~ gigs should probably be your target, 16 being the ideal for future-proofing) and okay speed will do. (2500~ mhz) There are other stats on cards you could consider but clock-speed and vram size I think are the main items these days. You would be maxing out your 5070ti for any of these games. I would again consider the 9070 series as they provide comparable performance for much cheaper, at the price of it being AMD (instability, worse drivers on windows, worse AI slop fake frame gen, etc. To be fair, Lossless Scaling has gotten pretty good too.) I would consider a CPU that can at least breach around 5 ghz, I've got one that does 4.7 at boost clock and it gets slapped around by shit like Dragons Dogma 2.

>>1964968 >GTA VI That won't even be out until next year, pending further delays, and will have a further 1 year exclusivity contract on Playstation. That's so far out that current market conditions don't really even factor into it. You'd be better off just waiting it out and building a new system when the opportunity presents itself. >5070ti Unless you're pushing a 4k monitor, a 4070 or Ti variant should do you just fine. The performance uplift on the 50 series is pretty underwhelming, and prices are starting to drop on the 4070s. If you're targeting 1440p, I mean, I haven't had any issues with mine on what few latest AAA games I've played. It does still choke hitting good performance at full resolution in more demanding VR titles (like MSFS) or just terribly optimized titles like American Truck Sim (though that's more of a CPU bottleneck since the damned game is still running on a single core until he engine updates)

>>1964968 The biggest question is what resolution you want to play at. If you want to play at 1080p medium/high and don't care about gaytracing or rasterization or whatever then a 9060 XT 16GB is probably the most bang for your buck but if you want to play at 1440p+ then pepper your angus because Nvidia dominates at higher resolutions thanks to DUDE FRAMEGEN LMAO.

5 years ago this was roughly half the price, wild shit

>>1964606 Same but I've got a 1070, and a 2060 I picked up for basically nothing and I've been procrastinating installing it for 2 months now

>>1964182 I bought RAM not even knowing about the bubble.

>>1965456 Oh wow, that's actually twice what I paid. I didn't even notice until I took the screenshot.

>>1964255 I'm grateful I said fuck it earlier this year and did a full on upgrade and got brand new rig. If not I'd be totally fucked in the ass.

>>1964448 >>relying on the lootboxes of art and gambling over and over again until you get something you deem "least bad" to add to your collection You're doing it wrong. Why the fuck would you save raw outputs? That's just a foundation to build on.

>>1964581 Huh, I never expected anyone to save my literal shitpost, let alone repost it three years later.

>>1967435 You speak of the digital witchcraft that is inpainting, controlnet, regional prompting, etc? Many (including myself) flock to the likes of ComfyAI and Forge because the likes of GIMP and Photoshop are daunting.

>>1967599 I used to do inpainting for friends years ago using photoshop. Seems like ai can do it all now huh.

There isn’t an AI problem, it’s an IQ program. Demographic have shifted heavily towards lower IQ. Marketing crazes are more powerful and deeply ingrained into culture as a result. When the bubble venture money goes away, it’ll seek the next craze (ie, quantum computing) and the next generation of low-IQs will go through the same cycle. IF there’s a next venture bubble event, that may be over with after AI. As IQs drop, it becomes easier to pocket money instead of chasing investment growth.

>>1967821 Just compare how ticket scalping exploded at the same time as computer hardware prices. The people paying $2000 for a mid-tier GPU for gaming or AI are not the same people paying a scalper $2000 for Taylor Swift tickets.

This is all a conspiracy to force people to play on c*nsoles again.

>>1964171 Meanwhile in DDR3land I'm paying $150 tops for 64GB and I can find decent RAM for $100 even. Sure my RAM is way slower but who cares. It's more about the size than the speed I notice and the fastest shit all happens on the GPU anyway and my old-ass mobo can still run the latest graphics cards.

If any AIfag is actually doing this they are retarded. You can get a modestly comparable speed SSD far cheaper with far more memory available.. There are even purpose made expansion cards designed to run SSDs as RAM.. I'm 100% confident this "ai bros buying ram in masse" bs is just a smoke screen excuse for companies to charge far more for ram. It's not a valid reason cause it would take five seconds for anyone wanting to build a datacenter to find the far more economical and sane choice..

>>1968143 Jesus fuck anon.

>>1968173 The claim is that the manufacturers are putting all their production capacity into VRAM, so there is less supply of ordinary RAM, leading to higher prices. And for that, no, you definitely can't substitute an SSD. Even offloading to CPU RAM slows down the process by orders of magnitude.

>>1968173 It's not just AI buying ram, it's multiple factors coinciding and exacerbating each other that caused a shortage and increase in demand at the same time, which will result in years to stabilize assuming the AI bubble doesn't suddenly pop in the next 12 months, which it won't.

>>1968208 Nothing will “stabilize”. The Asian labor centers are no longer competing with one another to grab market. They have the market and now they are re-aligning to the new (close to a decade actually) business meta of controlling demand instead of increasing supply. And why should anyone invest in growing supply? Increasing price is an immediately profit growth with no / minimal risk. Investing into new supply is fundamentally risky and takes years to realize a net growth. In the past, the Asian manufacturing centers were hungry to grab share and so were screwing everyone else, but thats over with now.

>>1964171 Last time I bought RAM (long ago) was an upgrade from 16GB to 32GB. In hindsight, I probably should've went to 64GB or even 128GB as there are some AI workloads that would benefit. Now it's not really worth the price. Upgrading CPU+RAM+Mobo isn't viable either at these prices.

>>1968178 What's wrong with taking advantage of a situation? My CPUs are from 2009 and my GPU is from 2014 and I can still play anything I want to play. And now that I have 128 gigs of RAM, I can play multiple things at once if I want to.

>>1968143 >>1969220 >64GB >2009 Anon, don't be lying now.

>>1964171 I bought this set of RAM in 2023. It was $76. What the hell.

>>1968178 64GB for 100 USD is a good deal. >>1968193 No, but you can use DDR3. Or you can try using the Intel Optane Persistent Memory DDR4 sticks as extra memory. They are way slower than proper RAM but way faster than the SSD and you can get 128GB on one DDR4 stick for less than 1 USD per GB and have your system use them as RAM. >>1969276 Not him, but there are DDR3 motherboards that support 256GB of RAM. >>1969710 Samsung, SK Hynix, and Micron are regularly colluding to jack up RAM prices. AI demand has given them a new excuse to crank up prices like mad.

>>1969276 It's a Xeon. Dual processors, eight RAM slots. Technically I can take it to 192 GB by hand-modifying my firmware, but I chose convenience (sort of scared of doing that) and cost (128 is cheaper and more readily available).

>>1968143 Coping on a i5-2500k is no longer feasible, the new meme "old CPU that runs anything i throw at it" is the R5 5600 now.

>>1969824 >Bloomfield Xeons >with RDIMMs >dual sockets Gonna say I'm not a fan, hopefully it's at-least X5690s >>1969809 >Not him, but there are DDR3 motherboards that support 256GB of RAM. True but only dual sockets and that's very bad in anything gaming, and generally even if you wanna compute on the super cheap X99 is leagues better for the same price.

>>1969841 You can run an i5-4570k quite easily. I'm on i5-3570k atm and it works fine. >>1969938 There's more than dual socket out there for 256GB iirc. And honestly, you're not gonna need that much.

>>1970030 Upgrading from a 3770 to AM5 doubled my FPS in games with a 6750xt.

>>1970049 Gainestown Xeons. 5570s. I could swap for Westmere 5670s because my firmware supports it, but that's a thought for another time.

>>1970030 >>1970043 One thing that makes the pre Haswell stuff not worth using anymore is the lack of AVX2, means you get shit perf in a lot of place where you would not with AVX2 and also more and more game simply just refuse to work without the instructions that come with Haswell stuff, technically even now a 5960X is still "current" performance level though only the lowest end current stuff.

>>1970058 DDR3 Haswell stuff also exists. Even the 4000 series is Haswell.

>>1970058 > the lack of AVX2 It keeps me from playing Victoria 3, at least. That's annoying.

>>1964171 >>1964182 Okay, BUT what happens to RAM after the gAIy bubble pop? Will they drop back down to a reasonable price? Assuming it isn't just propped up forever via subsidies much like how ethanol corn isn't efficient or environmentally friendly and over all a giant waste of time to grow an refine... Much like 90% of 'AI'/LLM's. >>1964267 >well, was all the AI generated meme shit worth the cost? Given high end consumer grade hardware that normal people can afford either because they're a doctor or layer or with some corner cutting in other aspects of their life that said hardware can and has been able to run their own local/native LLM's and image generating software I'd say no. Say what you will of the CCP, I have many criticisms too (like that Tibet should be independent again) BUT DeepSeek almost killed 'Open'AI the moment it released and I sure do fucking wish the Commie Chinks were successful in that endeavor but oh well. >B-b-b-b-but muh gAIy is necessary for national security The amount of money corporations and the US government has dumped into what is basically a higher end chat bot could have been used to develop a fucking aircraft carrier or finally complete outfighting modern weapons to the Zumwalts so those can actually be useful which is 100% more worth our time simply because they're cool looking. Oh boy I sure do love paying taxes to the great Satan so a bunch of old retarded tech illiterate boomers can throw money away into developing this shit, maybe I should go become an expat in Thailand or one of those other non aligned movement countries and aid them in Jewing Ameritards Russhits and Commie Chinks. I was originally gonna slowly piece together a DDR5 motherboard and all the other things I want through store sales and promotional links but now I'm rationalizing 'upgrading' to a DDR3 PC which means digging around for a decent old Dell Optiplex that hopefully has a GPU slot so I can brute force whatever i3 processor is in it to suck less, likely with some AMD card from Maxsum or Yeston.

>>1970980 >Will they drop back down to a reasonable price? I dont know what you consider reasonable but they certainly wont drop to pre spike levels without severe intervention considering the producers' monkey business history >I was originally gonna slowly piece together a DDR5 motherboard and all the other things I want through store sales and promotional links but now I'm rationalizing 'upgrading' to a DDR3 PC which means digging around for a decent old Dell Optiplex that hopefully has a GPU slot so I can brute force whatever i3 processor is in it to suck less, likely with some AMD card from Maxsum or Yeston. Look for dell 3630 listings, theyre pretty good

>>1970980 >The amount of money corporations and the US government has dumped into what is basically a higher end chat bot could have been used to develop a fucking aircraft carrier or finally complete outfighting modern weapons to the Zumwalts so those can actually be useful which is 100% more worth our time simply because they're cool looking. That's just the public-facing part of it. The real investment is in areas that the public doesn't hear about much because they glow and which are, consequentially, much more interesting. Things like, oh, I dunno: >Real-time translation of enemy battlefield communications at a squad level >Autonomous weapons systems >Novel chemical weapons research >Targeting systems Everyone thinks that the government is interested in funding chatbots and crap like that when what really gets dicks hard at the DoD is some company coming to them and saying "we've developed machine learning tools that allow existing AESA radars pick up Chinese stealth aircraft with 98% reliability" or "we've developed facial recognition and datalink software that allow a meshed network of autonomous camouflaged drones to identify and track HVTs in real time". The amount of money saved and efficiency gained from software-based solutions as opposed to hardware-based solutions is absolutely insane. It just looks really gay and stupid from the outside.

>>1971028 >>Real-time translation of enemy battlefield communications at a squad level mtl is pretty common and talked about in public circles My question is how do you fit those autonomous solutions inside something like a ghost bat, unless theres some hyper efficient asic chip in the making theyd need to be connected to something on the ground or to a human squad leader plane like theyre utilized now

>>1970119 Yeah true but 4 core is kind of potato nowadays The unlocked 8 core and 10 core Xeons (so long as you go HT OFF and use the turbo unlocker) are really what you want, if you're smart you can have a CPU + mobo + ram for very cheap and still have worthwhile performance

Well it's Black Friday & Jewegg only has a "deal" on one DDR4 memory kit (2x16 32GB). For DDR5 the prices look like a joke. Some DDR5 kits are nearing $1,000 & that's their "deal" price.

>>1971028 >That's just the public-facing part of it. The real investment is in areas that the public doesn't hear about much because they glow and which are, consequentially, much more interesting. Things like, oh, I dunno: >>Real-time translation of enemy battlefield communications at a squad level >>Autonomous weapons systems >>Novel chemical weapons research So nothing of value at all beyond fake globohomo war bullcrap.

gaming is basically a dead hobby at this point with pricing like this. the WHOLE point of gaming was to be a cheap hobby. the PS2 was $300 on launch and you got a full proper gaming experience. but now why the fuck would I set up a gaming rig when I could get a low mileage 986/987 or SL class for the same price? or literally any other hobby at this point.

>>1971946 >986/987 or SL class German cars are not cheap to repair, nor is it easy. You will require a very special kind of autism in order to deal with it.

>>1971946 >$300 on launch About $550 now. If that still looks like too much, that's because it is. Most jobs have received zero baseline wage growth over the years. We have the exact same budget since 2006 and the costs have only increased. The daily wage of most jobs cannot buy as much as it could twenty years ago, which is a fact. A disparity that is only getting worse, too.

>>1972098 well you can also get good Jap, British, Italian etc. cars at that price rance. point is gaming is too expensive to be a viable hobby at this point >>1972139 true. gaming on the way to being a boomer hobby. back to books or movies I guess.

>>1971946 >986/987 or SL class for the same price? You gaming rig is not gonna cost you 5-35k upfront and is certainly not gonna cost you thousands in maintenance and insurance. >SL class I too like buying a endless money pit that only gets fun to drive if you somehow find it in your heart to spend even more money to make it even less reliable.

>>1972206 gaming rigs are now ~$5k-6k and will now become even more expensive. maintenance and insurance can be replaced with cost of games and accessories and online and subscriptions.

I can buy a pre-build PC for 1356$ with 32GBs of ram in it and a 5060. Same thing I did 5 years ago when I bought my current pre-build I'm still using when GPU prices were shit, I bought a full pre-build that costed as much as a lone 3060 with everything already in it. The price is still the same, last time I checked was a couple of months ago, min. 6. I have it in my sights since, as I said, my brick already has 5 years in, and I have no need to upgrade, everything I want to play works and 16GB of RAM and a 3060 is still enough. But it has me slightly worried they could jack up the price in a year and I don't know when my PC will finally rest in peace and I will order a new one.

>>1972262 >gaming rigs are now ~$5k-6k and will now become even more expensive. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6YCh4p Retards not welcome >maintenance and insurance can be replaced with cost of games and accessories and online and subscriptions. In one single year you're gonna outpace even some pretty insane buying habit for vidya with just basic maintenance and insurance on a fun car, especially if you do trackday / drive it more than on the weekends.

>>1972290 >https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6YCh4p this shit isn't enough for 4K@60fps medium settings with raytracing, specially with unoptimized UE5 slop. 1080p and 1440p are obsolete and no amount of Hz and OLED can make them cool

>>1972326 Nothing can do 4k60 in newer titles And if you're gonna go full retard with a top of the line system I will have to remind you that top of the line has always been retardedly expensive and right now it's not even close to being as bad as it was at some points in time, could easily touch 10-15k back when HEDT was in full swing.

>>1972335 holy shit then what's even the point of modern gaming? I honestly cannot go back to 1080p/1440p. I'd take nothing over playing at a blurry obsolete resolution.

>>1964904 >My friend is pushing me to get the Palantir Ti Don't unless you find one used for a good deal, Nvidia makes no profits from the used market. Don't buy Jensen another leather jacket, go with team red instead.

>>1971645 There's been rumors for a while now that what they want is to be able to combine that and the sheer amount of DNA data being bought from the various ancestry/criminal database/immigration/medical testings to someday be able to create diseases/poisons that will only affect the desired target group even when mass spread. Imagine how horrific that would be. Guaranteed it wouldn't be named as a war crime or whatever because it would be covered up by the very paid off media, and auto-filtered by ai jannies on social media. I hope I'm wrong and this never comes to be however. >>1971632 Black Friday seems to get worse every year sadly

>>1972962 >don't bbuy Jensen another leather jacket <buy him a purrdy dress instead! ??

>>1972350 >I honestly cannot go back to 1080p/1440p If you are the same anon as from, I think it was the previous Steam Machine thread, then you admitted that you have never actually played a native 4K game, only upscaled. I will even go so far as to say, that most movies you have seen on your 4K TV/monitor, weren't actually native 4K, as most torrents are in 1080p (so again upscaled), streaming is in 720p even if you paid for the 4K premium service (LOL), and even if you get the blu-rays, not all of them are in 4K. You are just getting, at best, a 1080p movie stretched to 4K. Now you might say how film reels are in 6K resolution, but I don't think you actually have those film reels at home, what you have is a digital encoding of those film, which could be in 4K, but can also be in 480p, but most likely in 1080p. It's not that you can't go back to 1080p/1440p, it's that you have never actually went to 4K, unless you want to count those demo clips you see displayed on the TVs in the electronic store to showcase what the TV could output, if it actually played a native 4K movie.

>>1973984 high bitrate fhd > youtube bitrate 4k

>>1974116 Maybe, but the point still remains, that anon most likely barely watched or played anything in native 4K.

>>1972350 1080p isn't blurry unless you have a higher resolution LED monitor pretending to do a lower resolution at a ratio that isn't pixel perfect because if it has to represent a 1x1 block of pixels with 1.6x1.6 the amount of pixels or something it'll have to do some garbage image-stretch picture scaling that's smearing pixels to try to fit. If your 4K screen is just a 2160p though it should be able to do a 1080p resolution crisply because it can just use a 2x2 block of pixels for every 1x1 pixel in 1080p, so you have pixel perfect scaling. >>>/vb/24375 goes into this shit more. You're better off running games in a 1080p resolution than 4K most of the time because you can get higher FPS and crank up the graphics settings more and that'll make it look better than those extra pixels were. It's also way cheaper on your graphics card budget.

>>1964267 If it gets normalfags out of computers and video games you should be sucking AI's toes.

>>1974549 They only care about graphics, except the ones playing solitaire at work. Can't milk them if they aren't going to buy the latest unoptimized corporate checkbox non-game because their hardware won't run it. Or they do buy it and shit all over it (at least, until they make an anime out of it). AI is saving video games one way or another.

>>1974592 >normalfags only care about graphics <all of the most played consumer slop are mobile games and e-sports that run on potatoes High fidelity gaming is a niche reddit fedora tipping bugman hobby, not a normalfag fixation. >>1974599 Cyberpunk looks like shit. Skyrim with like a dozen mods looks better.

>>1974469 >If it gets normalfags out of computers and video games you should be sucking AI's toes. AI makes everything MORE accessible to the average normtard, not less.

>>1974609 >most played consumer slop are mobile games <eye candy games, just with waifus and big tits >e-sports <not eye candy but heavily entrenched in social territory, which attracts normalfags You are delusional if you fully believe normalfags aren't insufferable when it comes to graphics and heavily attracted to eye candy, and you probably barely interacted with any that are more on the casual side of the hobby. Every single one of them are wowed by graphics and eye candy, it was always a topic discussed about in every single singleplayer sony "game", to the point that so many fucking people refuse to play older games not because they're worse in gameplay or "older", they just physically can't push themselves to play shit older than 2015 even though it looks perfectly fine as graphics stagnated massively.

>>1974725 None of these people actually care about video games, they're just repeating a social game kind of script.

>>1974731 So what? Do you really think catering to people who actually like video-games is as easy and profitable as catering to mongrels easily impressed by vapid shinier things?

>>1974725 <eye candy games, just with waifus and big tits Okay so you don't know what the word graphics means then, that's all you had to say.

Hey I'm not the one getting into an autistic shitflinging contest for once

>>1974897 IQ exists on a spectrum, sometimes you just meet people in the lower ends.

LMAO, goodbye, dumbass.

>>1973873 Ummm excuse me BUT are you implying buying Red Jensen a cute dress is a bad thing, chud?

Are you ready for the death of computers? https://investors.micron.com/news-releases/news-release-details/micron-announces-exit-crucial-consumer-business

>>1987708 >Sumit Sadana <Sumit graduated from the Indian Institute of Technology with a bachelor’s degree in electrical engineering How those pajeets keep worming into companies only to destroy them is beyond me

>>1987723 Then repaste it? CPU's don't "start to overheat" as failure, they just stop working. Actually they don't really do that either, motherboards and PSU's almost always fail before the CPU itself.

>>1987723 Buy a new CPU cooler?

>>1987731 Indians are going to be the downfall of civilization.

>>1987723 Have you tried using a good thermal paste? Decent odds your current thermal paste was some low grade stuff that came with the CPU and went to shit and that's why your CPU is starting to overheat now. Seriously, replace the thermal paste.

>>1987731 >how Come on, anon. You know how.

>>1987731 >how?

>>1987708 Jesus Christ we're fucked six ways to Sunday.

>>1987708 Meh, last night I successfully edited a photo in GIMP while I had an Unreal Engine 5 game, a couple Firefox tabs and a Signal call all running in the background. I'm totally fine with 16gb.

>>1987807 >>1987812 It all feels surreal

>>1987708 I pray every day for the AI bubble to pop. They want us to have nothing, they want to end personal computing and completely lock down the Internet.

>>1987708 AHAHAH, YES, THE AI SLOPOCALYPSE CONTINUES TO FUCK LITERALLY EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE Rejoice AI-fags, THIS is the culmination of your efforts to obsolete porn commissions and the few bad VAs that make shitty dubs, you have fucked the environment, the economy, and now hardware availability which not only immediately impacts gamers but literally everyone else as it trickles down to every facet of modern civilization that runs on computers. Now EVERYONE must suffer for your hubris.

>>1988248 Everything isn't even getting fucked for something good either. Like if the trade off was some dystopian but legitimately impressive technology then maybe it could be understandable. But the AI novelty wore off within the first few months and it's literally done nothing but become a massive inconvenience to basically everything ever since. All information is poisoned and I've still yet to find a single instance where it's been useful to me.

>>1987708 >>1988247 If the AI bubble ever bursts, I wonder what kind of apocalyptic scenario that is going to look like. >>1988248 Thanks for reminding me I have the gondola version of that. I almost forgot where I put it. >Now EVERYONE must suffer That is the most annoying thing about this.

Remember, anons: the bigger it gets, the closer it is to burst.

>>1988219 It's supposed to feel that way, a natural healthy society wouldn't do this.

>>1988441 And nothing is too big too fail

>>1988473 i guess thats true

>>1988474 Understand the "too big to fail" rhetoric after 2008 did not mean "we're too big to even fail, bucko ;^)". It meant "these corporations are too big to be allowed to fail because it could collapse the economy", it was reasoning for bailouts. The English language is a fuck.

>>1988835 >collapse the economy maybe the fake one, getting rid of all those tax leech giants who produce nothing of value would be beneficial to nearly everyone

Is it time to start hoarding PC components and devices? >>1988835 Personally if it pops I hope there's all kinds of revolutions and civil wars in western countries and the current managerial class gets to hang from lampposts.

Copied from elsewhere: The Memory Mafia (Samsung Electronics, SK Hynix, and Micron Technology) are behind this. In February of this year they were on the news saying they will reduce production, because there was oversupply and market prices were too low. So they created this scarcity to make prices go up. I hope they rot in hell. https://www.techspot.com/news/106815-nand-flash-weak-demand-oversupply.html

>>1988835 >because it could collapse the economy"

>>1988896 Not the first time it happens

>>1988896 We need to lobby Intel to make Optane DIMMs again. Any competition against those price-gouging motherfuckers will be a good deed.

>>1988896 I recall that memory manufacturers have been in legal trouble over price fixing before, but the fines are nothing compared to the profits so it keeps happening.

>>1988896 Isn’t that illegal?

>>1989195 All of this shit is a literal scam, yeah.

>>1988896 yeah, and them blaming ai is just convenient scapegoat

>>1989357 Both can be true, LLMbro.

>>1989195 High ranked people from these companies got short sentences because of prior collusion, at least 5 guys from each company involved

>>1989195 Nothing's illegal if you're rich.

>>1989195 Today's word of the day is "Chaebol"!

>>1988441 ...so if we want it to collapse we have to put more money into it? You're telling me to buy the Google AI now?

>>1988896 The one thing me and R*ddit can agree on: Luigi did nothing wrong (allegedly).

>>1990186 the cheaper alternative is sending altman to see his grandpa

>>1990186 He's saying lost objects are always found in the last place you look.

>>1988248 The VAs and Localisation niggers absolutely had it coming that's the one thing I'll grant AI.

What a boring world.

>>1989103 Every day that passes we understand more, this is just the memory cartel abusing it's position to increase prices again. SSD prices will skyrocket very soon because the same fabs also make those memory chips.

<NVIDIA restores 32-bit PhysX support for GeForce RTX 50 Series graphics cards >NVIDIA has reinstated 32-bit GPU-accelerated PhysX support for select legacy games on GeForce RTX 50 Series GPUs with the latest 591.44 WHQL driver. This update restores full physics performance in popular titles like Borderlands 2 and Batman: Arkham City, addressing previous performance drops caused by CPU offloading >The first batch of nine games that will run at full speed again includes the following: Alice: Madness Returns, Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag, Batman: Arkham City, Batman: Arkham Origins, Borderlands 2, Mafia II, Metro 2033, Metro: Last Light, and Mirror's Edge. >NVIDIA adds that support for Batman: Arkham Asylum will be available in early 2026

>>1993170 >forgot to post the archive My bad. https://archive.is/ay7cU

>>1993170 This decade will be the decade I finish Mirror's Edge then.

>>1993170 So they only restored it for a select few games?

>>1993745 You can reenable it through Nvidia Profile Inspector for every game I've been told, though just know that even with actual hardware some older games do not enjoy running PhysX on newer cards (Metro 2033 and ROTT in particular like to go full SPS if you're using anything newer than GTX 700s)

>>1993964 >having to manually enable it for every game I wouldn't even trade my graphics card for a 50 series lol

>>1993170 They shouldn't have ditched it to begin with since multiple big game titles use it! >Batman: Arkham Origins Reminder: Origins, while not best in the series, is an excellent game for the Christmas vibe around this season. The snow tessellation & steam physics were neat. Environments are comfy with Christmas decorations inside & out. >Alice: Madness Returns Best Girl: Physx Support Returns

>>1993556 You should. That game was one of the only times I enjoyed first person platforming. Plus the art style held up pretty well. Shame the sequel sucked ass. >>1993745 They seem to intend to slowly add support starting with more popular games. >>1993964 You can also use your older gpu as a dedicated PhysX card for the new 50-- cards that can't/won't handle it. >>1993987 It really is funny.

Reminder: the ai bubble popping wont result in a cheap abundance of consumer grade hardware, datacenters utilize compute cards that aren't good for anything but compute (no cheap gpu's flooding the market) and the memory isn't designed for standard motherboards (no cheap memory flooding the market), once the bubble pops all that hardware is functionally e-waste unless you can afford to buy entire server racks that wont just be gobbled up by amazon

>>1994365 What the fuck makes you even think anything is being built dumbfuck?

>>1994365 And that's where you can count on chinks to make frankenGPUs from those as well as refurb the server RAM into regular stuff (the RAM chips are the exact same it's the PMIC, CDK and SPD as well as the extra RAM chips on the stick that make the difference)

>>1994470 So we'll not only have to wait for the bubble to burst, but we'll be waiting for the chinks to get their hands on all the scrap, waiting for the refurbishment, and then the shipping will make it almost as ridiculously priced due to tariffs. It really is never a good time to buy is it

>>1994470 are you really willing to cough up 10x cost of a 5090 for a frankie? those h/a100 are super expensive

I think now would be the time to scavenge any expired (GP)GPU patents and specifiaclly vibecode the way into creating a public domain graphics card, because it seems like doing it the old fashioned way didn't work out for libreSOC or Miaow or FuryGPU or the Open Graphics Project. Continually running into the same issues that alternative ISAs or processors where designing both the chip itself and the physical hardware manufacturing are enough to drain the souls of even 10 enthusiasts. (See also: trve loonix smartphones)

>>1994806 >trve

>>1994836 What is your main rejection of what I said? Replicant only officially supports two (2) devices from 2014, and LineageOS is barely kept afloat through the power of XDA to navigate the increasingly byzantine Google spaghetti. Do you consider the old Jolla phones with Sailfish or the Huawei variant on AOSP or their fancy new microkernel to be Linux phones? The latter does have an allegedly stable Linux compatibility layer after all. It's the same as for when people half-jokingly claim that Apple and Google stole from KDE's early browser work, when those two companies have dumped ridiculous amounts of money and employees on WebKit and Blink, because more changes have happened since 2008.

>>1994481 I mean for RAM it wouldn't be too bad they already do with older RAM and even a "small" retailer can shit out thousands of fresh sticks (I even asked once when was looking for services that would get binned ICs soldered onto a new pcb),also discounting that rember CXMT is a thing and they're CCP owned so I'd expect less cartel bullshit from them. For GPU though that would take time, we're barely just getting turing / vega20 stuff made into consumer ready parts (mostly because it's the limit of where AI shit runs well)

>>1973346 >some retard elite actually goes through this and creates an artificial virus that targets enemy population >of course the virus mutates and kills everyone that don't have a bunker and supplies to wait it out oh well, it's not like there's a lot of new good games to play anyway, please don't make it fake and gay like covid though

>>1993170 Is it worth it to upgrade to a 50 series with this update? I do play a mix of older AAA, indies, and the occasional new AAA game, so my 2070 super has been able to support most of it, but some games do cause the occasional chug (1080p 60fps player).

Massive price hikes and companies pulling out of the domestic markets is all part of a plan. Make it so it's too expensive to own your own computer or console and instead force everyone to rent a cloud one that makes it extremely easy for them to keep track of you and sell everything you do on it to whoever is willing to pay. Don't be surprised if you see an uptick in cloud computing services in the coming years if this bubble doesn't implode before then.

>>1999609 The 5070 is okayish price wise for the current market I guess.

>Was thinking about buying another 32 GB of DDR4 to tide me over >The Gskill Ripjaws kit I got for $90 back in 2019 is now going for double that price Fucking jesus christ. I feel bad for the legitimate RAMlets who are trying to upgrade from 16 GB, or god forbid 8 GB.

>>1999679 It probably is the end game. Especially when you see Elon talk about people just using AI to generate everything. You'll get a smartphone or a tablet and be happy. Desktops and probably even laptops will be on the chopping block.

Man I'm glad I have all my parts to build a new PC now. Things look like they're getting even more painful next year. >>1999824 >autist has a fit because someone said his random trigger word

>>1999815 This commercial is about 7 years old. I personally have no problems with it, but I can see how it will irate people. t. never owned an Apple product

>>1999897 Ironically, that commercial was a good predictor of how that generation interacts with computers, it's why they struggle so much now in the workforce.

>>1999679 >illegal to build your own computer because all the parts have to go to data centers for "national security" >illegal to have electricity at your house because all production has to go to powering data centers for "national security" >illegal to have water at your house because all production has to go to cooling data centers for "national security" Don't claim I'm exaggerating.

>>1999926 The children yearn for knowledge of file systems.

>>2000045 It's easy as shit I still don't understand what's so hard about it. It's like riding a bike or driving stick.

>>2000085 The neural pathways they develop before even being able to form full sentences as they sit in front of tablets destroy their attention span and ability to learn. It isn't a matter of computers being difficult or easy. Literacy rates are plummeting as well. Words haven't change to a new operating system. Children are more retarded than ever simply because they don't have an opportunity to be bored compelling them to organically experiment and discover how the world works. They just swipe their finger on tiktok and youtube shorts from ages 4-18.

>>2000125 That sounds like we're ripe for a massive generational die off if the economy or standard of living even gets slightly in to depression territory.

>>2000343 1. We've been in a depression since 2008. 2. What you described would be good, and good things don't happen, so it won't happen.

>>2000498 >We've been in a depression since 2008. It's not a real depression if people can eat at Mickey D's and line up to purchase the newest Digital AIDS machine so they can be like their favorite influence. You'll know it's a depression when bankers and corporate execs start committing wahoo off of buildings in mass.

>>2000539 >You'll know it's a depression when bankers and corporate execs start committing wahoo off of buildings in mass. Has never happened irl and you'd have to be a gullible dumbfuck to believe it.

>>2000498 >1. We've been in a depression since 2008. This. I'd say we ticked up to merely a recession during Trump's first term - but Covid lockdowns and the Trump/Biden-bux scheme annihilated that. They've just been lying to you the entire time in order to keep the economy suppressed as they continue to drain the wealth out of it without it completely collapsing. But that lie sets expectations for people who are increasingly frustrated that they can't afford to even eat anymore. If they'd just come right out and tell people we're completely fucked - maybe people would start drawing back their expectations and living more like people had to back during the Great Depression. Shit, the 80's were a goddamned boom time compared to today, and most working class families were eating complete shit and instant everything (instant tea, instant milk, instant coffee, Kool-Aid/Tang... fuck, everything was powdered) just to make ends meet. Now people are at their wit's end because they can't figure out how to live well above their means while thinking it's poverty.

>>2000539 >It's not a real depression if people can eat at Mickey D's 4x price increase since 2008.

>>2000816 >and according to a chatbot response

>>2000816 >when the economy was good enough The economy was the worst it had ever been in human history at that time, and it has only gotten worse since.

>>2000539 >People are retarded therefore not depression What the fuck kind of logic is this? If someone spends most of their money on cars instead of their house that doesn't mean it reflects the economy it just means people are stupid motherfuckers and i think we've got too many stupid motherfuckers when it comes to the economy and i don't want them to be bailed out of their retarded choices, unfortunately the safety net has to account for these retards

RAM supply to be fucked until 2028 https://archive.ph/Nz12O Hell yeah

>>2016867 >finally decide to make my own PC after years of friends telling me to >tired of using geriatric Xbone >got $3k to spend >"i can build something decent" >this happens Why is existence suffering?

>>2016876 I mean you can definitely build something decent still https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VVQbWc Gotta hurry though

>>2016883 >Gotta hurry though Thanks for the list, I'll bookmark those parts but I already have people saying they're going to get me stuff for Christmas. I honestly wish they wouldn't so i could just pull the trigger already.

>>2016907 You should be the type to make your own destiny tbh. But, Christmas is right around the corner so lucky you.

>>2019632 >make your own destiny Means jack shit, people are enslaved until death since they're losers.

>>2020320 That is definitely some tight as fuck samsung Bdie for AM4 (presumably on air not many people crazy enough to do water on RAM) >1.54v Hope for you the rumors about samsung Bdie degrading above 1.5v aren't true however

Nobody told me that you need two (2) PCIe cables for more modern GPUs. That explains why my RX 6750 has been black screen system crashing this whole time. For two years I used it with a daisy chain on a single cable, thinking it was fine. It wasn't fine. You need two otherwise the GPU isn't getting enough power. The more you know I guess.

>>2020393 depends on how good your PSU is, but yeah with transient monsters like RDNA2 / Ampere you generally want to not use the daisy chain if you can avoid it.

>>2020404 For me, it was an expensive lesson to learn. I had a 750w PSU from Corsair, thought it was fine. Long story short, I built an entire new system with a 1000w PSU just to ultimately learn what the problem was. But, I generally read the instruction manuals for everything I get, so I don't know how I could've missed this little detail. Anyway, them RAM prices, huh? Glad I purchased a new system before shit started climbing in price.

>>2016867 Samsung halting production of its SATA SSDs https://t.co/tBLugGKYng This may bring some more price pressure on NVMe SSDs as SATA SSDs do still sell decently.

>>2016867 Welp, not like I had the money to build a new PC anyway.

>>2020480 Apparently already denied by smasnug, though there's no denying that on the whole SATA SSD production has gone down overall.

>>2016867 >Either specs become so high that games become niche or devs will have to optimize their shit games Either way I win, I'm literally playing nothing but 8-32 bit games on my RTX 4080.

>>2020785 Time to buy a 7900 XTX :^) Please do not actually do that

>>2020795 AMD is just controlled opposition, how the fuck did they stumble so hard when Nvidia keeps fucking up every step of the way.

>>2020810 I'd like to know the same shit anon.

>>2020810 Competing with a compny that has a chokehold on the industry, 10x the R&D budget, 10x the employees, enough money to run you out of deal with needed subcontractors, in the middle of profiting from another bubble and isn't afraid to use every means necessary doesn't always turn out well, especially when you're dabbling into experimental tech to maybe catch up.

Stupid question but due to the huge price surge of RAM is it a good idea to buy a pre built from costco or mirco center? I mean just the RAM price alone is at a price of a entry prebuild you might as well get the other stuff or is that still a bad idea? I am asking this out of impatience as I waited over a decade of not building a PC due to the high prices of the GPU and now this shit happens all of a sudden.

>>2021140 Still a bad idea, prebuilt RAM is the trashiest trash you can buy Right now there's a few DDR5 kit that are interesting to buy because they're high bins and haven't surged quite as bad I've noticed the 2x24 kits are the not as badly hurt by the hike for now, as are the decent 2x16 kits (still 2x the price but that's not the 10x you can see some kits do). 2x48 / 2x64 / 2x32 though that's dead for a while. But going by the fact that kits are starting to seriously go out of stock or jump price $50 in a day I'd go for it now if you feel you can't wait 2 years Build around something like https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cCKscf/silicon-power-value-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-sp032gxlwu60afdeae or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PxTZxr/klevv-bolt-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-kd5agua80-60a300h those overclock like a dream if you need performance and 32GB is enough for the foreseeable future, with a bit of luck you might also see other parts excluding GPUs / SSDs crater a bit in price as demand slows.

>>2021213 I think I will wait after all but as >>1988896 >>1989195 >>1989103 had mentioned that they will not drop the price even after 2030 and than I am just stuck with What I have now. Also un a unrelated note, how bad can one skimp out ram? Like is it just slower or just more prone to failure kind of bad. >>1972276 Was it worth it to you?

>>2021395 In my experience, RAM doesn't really fail unless it's DOA. Though I don't overclock it like some of these other anons.

>Built my PC this time last year. >GTX 4060 was only $500 >RAM was only $150 >SSDs were stupid expensive at $600 for 8TB. I think I found that sweet spot of GPUs flooding the market before the 5000 series came out and long before this current RAM shortage.

>>2021527 >>GTX 4060 was only $500 <only I got a 4070Sooperpooper for 600 around that time

I require information about how hot my CPU should be running. It's an AMD Ryzen 7 5800X that typically runs in the 70c-90c range.

>>2024736 Depends on the cooler

>>2024736 Your cpu shouldn't be running at 90C boyo Consider checking the thermal paste and making sure you're actually running games through the GPUs graphics instead of through the CPU by accident.

>>2024736 Enter BIOS settings & undervolt it to lower temps. Failing that, repaste or replace the CPU cooler. I have the same CPU in one of my PCs. I had a low profile air cooler in the past, but even after changing to a closed loop cooler I still have it undervolted as it's still beneficial for temps. I think I used a simple negative voltage offset.

>>2024736 anything above 80 is bad, if its been socketed for a while repaste it and if that doesnt help get a beefier cooler

What an awful time to upgrade.

>>2024736 >5800X Yeah 90°C is about what you should expect at stock regardless of cooling and paste (unless doing custom loop with a delid), that is if you're running an heavy multicore load, if you're hitting 90°C anytime you're doing anything something is very wrong. The issue this particular CPU encounters is that it shoves 141W on a single CCD, which means thermal density is way high and you can't really fix that issue by throwing more cooling at it since diminishing returns hit fast and more importantly the CPU is just gonna use the headroom you made to shove even more power in the chip Provided it's in fact only on heavy multicore, I personally would go into the BIOS and drop that to 85°C or even 80°C, then if you're feeling like it you can play with PBO core optimizer to try and reclaim the ~5% multicore perf you just lost by doing so, some tutorials will tell you to instead dabble with PBO and lowering PPT / TDC / EDC, but that's more annoying than just lowering the temperature limit of the chip >>2025028 >>2025314 We're not in the 2010s anymore grandpas, AMD makes chips that can handle 24/7 90°C without issues. >>2025028 With Ryzen past Zen3 you're better off first lowering the temp limit then fiddling with UV or CO, as just lowering the temp limit is easy and issue free whereas doing an UV might result in instability that is extremely hard to diagnose.

>>2020810 >>2020928 That and Nvidia is helped by CUDA. CUDA is very useful and not just for AI and gaming purposes. It was also first. By the time AMD and Intel caught on to it and developed their own alternatives, too many libraries were developed for CUDA and got it entrenched in multiple fields. That might change if Nvidia keeps zeroing in on AI and neglecting other fields like medical research and 3D graphics. Blender is already focusing on better support for AMD. >>2024736 90C is still fine but pushing it. As others already said CPU cooler, heatsink, airflow, and paste could be issues. It also depends on what you run. Some games are very CPU intensive, some are poorly optimized, and if you have windows it contributes its bloat. There is also the peformance boot mode that will drive up your CPU usage higher than needed 'just in case' when running demanding applications. Oftentimes, multiple factors overlap. BG3 for example pushed my 7800X3D to near 90C on Windows, despite my CPU being more than enough. It turned out to be: >High CPU demand from the game, as this mostly happened in crowded areas >BG3's optimization being kind of crap but not as bad as typical AAA release >performance boost mode, disabling it lowered my temps by 10 - 15 degrees >Windows 10 being a garbage OS as eventually switching to playing the game on Linux nearly eliminated the issue Deadlock was another game that gave me temp issues but that seems to be mostly due to the game not being finished yet. Patches focused on performance made a lot of difference and currently it runs much better and cooler than it did in 2024.

>>2027231 >What an awful time to upgrade.

>>2027649 >AMD makes chips that can handle 24/7 90°C without issues. They relased their overheating shits and a mountain of burnt chips started appearing on the net, the only reason why they run so hot is because of vertical stacking and coming OC'd from the factory funnily enough they dont get shit on for it like intel did for their overheating chips

Is 70-100 a good price to buy an external 1 TB Extreme Pro SSD? I hope prices won't spike after the holidays.

>>2040768 >They relased their overheating shits and a mountain of burnt chips started appearing on the net, >aggregate failure rate 2.9% for zen 3, lower for zen4 / 5 > the only reason why they run so hot is because of vertical stacking Only applies to X3D, and not the latest one even. >coming OC'd from the factory Not really, they just target an operating temperature and / or power limit instead of a fixed frequency like before, they do ride closer to the limits of chips than most previous chips but there's still headroom.

>>2045035 I am talking specifically about the oven 9800x3d special

>>2045044 Sounds like you're talking out of your ass.

>>2045050 Theres enough images posted of these things burning up on motherboards from every producer available

>>2045059 That was due to AMD being jackasses with information to motherboard manufacturers so they weren't able to dial in voltages correctly and x3d literally explode

>>2045528 I forgot to mention this can be fixed with a uefi update

Is the RX 6800XT AMD's own GTX 1080TI ?

>>2058426 Pretty much.

>>2058426 AMDs 1080 Ti competitor was the Radeon VII. The Rx 6800 XT came out a year later and both were late to the party for 2-3 years.

>>1964590 >another "LLM is conscious" guy

give

>>2059248 I don't think he believes that, he wants an advanced fleshlight.

>>2058426 I was still using a second hand RX 580 since it came out till like a year ago. That thing was a champ. It could handle anything. Best card I ever owned. It went the distance.

>>2059461 yeah he just wants to buy a high tier chatgpt-12 subscription so he can be told by 3 proprietary tesla-bots that lewd conduct is against the TOS before they crush his balls between their thighs with enough force that it welds their knees together and he's completely imprisoned until he pays an additional fee to have a dominos pizza drone to come laser cut his pancaked balls out of the mangled metal but the drone gets hijacked by a bluetooth exploit that spreads to each robot that are now controlled by the chinese and start playing their national anthem as he passes out from blood loss

>>2044693 The Sandisk (western digital) extreme drives have been shit for a while now apparently due to bad solder joints bricking drives among other issues. There are problems with transfer speeds, corruption, you name it. The originals were great quality but everything made subsequently is subject to enshitification. You'd be better off buying an enclosure with a nvme ssd. https://www.sgtlaw.com/cases/sandisk-extreme-solid-state-drive-defect-litigation

>>2059698 local models a few generations from now should be fine. I'm not even an AI fag and I know that much, Anon. The future for anons is complete self-hosting, relying on anyone else's hardware sucks in every way because the society and culture sucks everywhere. Shitposting and trolling has trumped effortposting for good and everything you see is a consequence of that. jewish censorship, algorithms, big tech shit, woke shit, all of that has had an effect, but imageboards really killed themselves with their own "culture" and being shitflooded by retarded browns. Quality walks away when quantity "wins." Anons have every reason to delete all interfaces with the rest of the planet except those that are absolutely necessary, and I don't blame them. Anons will own everything, they'll be happy, and nobody on the internet will ever know.

>>1999679 >cloud Not in the US. America's information infrastructure is completely fucked and it isn't going to get better. It's too late for that.

>>2058476 >Radeon VII I kinda wanted to get one for shits and giggle to see just how bad it actually is in reality, but those thing are just far too expensive, not to mention fragile

>>2061328 "Then I guess you're just shit out of luck, goy." ~ the official position on this matter, just like how ISPs are already telling rural copper subscribers "you're fucked lol get used to it" about their fiber buildout is only in cities and how they're going to simply shut off copper next year without any replacement

>>2061534 What's hilarious is if you look deep into the Radeon VIIs history, all the good chips were sold to Apple for a computer that flopped, and data centers that didn't really want them. Consumers got the worst chips they produced for full Vega II and had 256 shaders disabled, and even then they took the best of the worst and made them solely for data centers, and gave consumers a stupidly limited supply

>>2058476 he's talking about how long the card will hold up, not a 1:1 comparison...

https://archive.ph/qTG6D >ASUS reportedly increasing production of AM4/LGA 1700 MB to tackle RAM shortage AM4 Still not retiring

>>2065969 LGA1700 on DDR4 is just leagues above in terms of performance compared to AM4, only downside is when you're trying to do heavily MT stuff on the bigger ones (14700k / 13900k etc) the bandwidth clearly can't follow unless you're pushing something crazy like 4600, but for most regular gaming LGA1700 on DDR4 is just about the best performance you can find right now because the latency is quite a bit lower, shame finding good DDR4 is starting to get complicated / not cheap

>>2065969 Let it get worse, let everyone game on 5-10 year old hardware so we can go back to the past. To play the not so shitty games that don't suck as much ass. Anyways has anyone ever seen this channel? guy buys cheap PCs and their parts and reviews how well they can game and i think it's fantastic https://youtu.be/wyhG9xvisuk

Report by Newsis, a Korean news agency. TL;DR >U.S.-based NVIDIA and AMD are expected to significantly raise graphics processing unit (GPU) prices starting as early as January next year. Rising memory costs are cited as the key driver behind the GPU price hikes. >Both companies plan to implement gradual price adjustments over the coming months, rather than limiting themselves to a single price hike. Consequently, prices could rise across the board, affecting not only consumer GPUs but also high-end GPUs used in artificial intelligence (AI) data centers and servers. >According to industry sources on the 30th, AMD is expected to raise prices on some GPUs starting in January next year, while NVIDIA will do so starting in February. Full report here. Bust out a translator. https://www.newsis.com/view/NISX20251229_0003458273 https://archive.ph/k9MSr

Having purchased new RAM and a GPU last year, it progressively feels like having clocked out of the WTC five minutes before the planes hit.

>>2065969 Just use an adapter for older RAM. Problem definitely solved with no downsides.

>>2067162 Im not panic buying components. I rather not play.

>>2067162 I got a penis enlargement pill ad after opening the article

>>2067162 >5090s may reach $5000 Oh no that card I never could have afforded is going to be even more out of my budget. Honestly, I don't care. I got a new gpu on black friday, and I can deal with the cpu bottleneck for a year until RAM prices come down enough for me to buy the rest of my pc upgrade. >>2067175 It really is a strange feeling when you unintentionally dodge a bullet.

>bought a new computer a while back >Its good but hampered by linux. >Also by the 8gb of ram that I got it. >Been thinking about buying an additional 8gb of ram. >Every single piece of news coming out about tech is how much more absurdly expensive things are going to get. Should I get more ram now or just hope the market crashes soon? How much worse can it get before things reach a tipping point?

>>2067332 a single 8 gig stick shouldnt be too expensive if you need one

Eh, I'm not worried. If components get too much more expensive, I'll just grab some shoe polish, paint myself black, and open a Somali Day Care. If that doesn't work, well - I've already painted myself nigger, I'll just break into someone's house and steal theirs. No sense wasting good shoe polish.

>>2067516 The thread is literally something that goes into hardware news

>>2067208 >All or nothing How about don't be a retard nigger? you can still get a used rx 580 or some shit for less then 100 dollars and still have thousands of games you can play or a 1070 or so depending on your budget (1070 was around 100 dollars or so last i checked) >>2068154 >Don't have an end goal of being for ai Wrong >They want you to own nothing and have you pay for subscription tiers This however is correct.

>>2068154 Antihuman bills and activities have bipartisan support, pinning this on either side is social engineering

>>2068154 If they want to censor the internet, why are we then setting the tone of kicking out Britbong ambassadors for being a bunch Orwellian shitheels that lock up like 30 people a day on average for thought crimes? I unironically do think it's for AI though. There's enough of these elite pricks and tech bros who believe in the technological singularity - and whoever gets there first wins everything forever. Thing is, nobody knows how to actually build a consciousness - but the behavior of the models so far have given rise to some emergent phenomena that kind of looks like agency if you squint at it - so maybe they're hoping they can just brute force their way to causing a conscious AI to emerge - then use that to try to improve itself in energy/hardware efficiency. At the least, even if AGI/Singularity is impossible this way - you don't really know what the future holds, or what AI is really going to be most useful for in terms of Governmental and Military applications. But it's likely that not having AI incorporated into your military and defense is going to be like trying to strategize against an enemy with ubiquitous satellite communication and surveillance when all you have is a telegraph and an asshole up a tree with a spyglass. This is exactly the same kind of dumbshit behavior as when they were running the Project Stargate experiments -- because even though we knew it was all bullshit, the Soviets seemed to think there was something to it - so we better be the leader in remote viewing ESP spy bullshit, just in case.

>>2068154 >ban local computing so they can censor the internet /v/ truly has only retards. There's really people falling for that, completely ignoring that the compute needed for gaming is low as fuck compared to the capacity in these huge ass data centers, that the chinese are catching up on lithography and soon we'll have real market competition because retards keep leaking state secrets, and most importantly, most normalfag usage with phones demand basically no compute which implies that will never be a centralized state for information flow on the internet at all and so it can pretty much never be censored by centralization. Key to this is also the fact that most phone users already engage in what effectively counts as "cloud compute" if you tackle it from the point of view that most heavy-processing is done on the backend of the servers that they engage with, which we can manage with current compute costs more than just fine and have always managed to do even with fewer resources, so imagining a future where we do fall into this situation is unimaginably stupid and niggerpill tier wailing. Maybe companies might further centralize their compute needs on those data centers through cloud providers, but that's a company and not 'muh internet censorship', and were it the case it would already be happening literally right now and on the past 10 years as cloud is no longer a big novelty. >trvthnvke Go back and kill yourself. >>2068176 <They want you to own nothing and have you pay for subscription tiers >This however is correct. The fact that they want to do this is not new at all, but wanting something to be done is not the same as actually managing to do it, thankfully.

It seems the jews have decided having a computer is bad for the goyim. Oh well, back to Might and Magic 6 for me.

>>2068445 >The fact that they want to do this is not new at all, but wanting something to be done is not the same as actually managing to do it, thankfully. But they are setting the groundwork, we're already in a depression and people would rather rent then pay for hardware. >>2068699 That's the spirit, fuck those new game niggers.

>>2068445 >retards keep leaking state secrets Unsung heroes. You're largely right though. They don't need to ban personal computers to censor the internet. They already censored the internet. There's like five big megacorps that control the vast majority of traffic, and most people access the net through an app rather than a web browser and have no idea the world wide web even exists.

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/dram/chinese-memory-maker-cxmt-prepares-to-file-for-ipo-aiming-to-raise-usd4-2-billion-usd-to-take-advantage-of-tight-memory-market-company-lays-out-path-to-profitability-as-dram-demand-skyrockets-worldwide >That means CXMT's expansion may help stabilize things in the medium term, but it's unlikely to provide immediate relief for PC builders or consumers wondering why DDR5 prices are still elevated. It's also worth noting what CXMT is not doing: the company isn't racing to flood the market with ultra-cheap consumer RAM. <Like every other major memory manufacturer, it's prioritizing higher-margin products and long-term customers. That's just how the economics work now. Yeah, the money is in selling to data centers with huge markups and in big quantities now. The regular consumer can get fucked.

>>2069616 Well fuck us and FUCK AI

>>2069616 Ah, yes, chinesium memory. Definitely want to buy something that will report to the OS as 64 GB, actually be 16 GB, and run at half the clock speed it claims, frying my files and devouring them in a black hole of empty writespace.

>Mining coins <prices go up >Covid hits <prices go up >AI hits <prices go up >Cutting down on ram manufacturing to create artificial scarcity <prices go up We can't stop winning gamers

>>1964590 >>2070095 Even if we lived to see android waifus they'd be taking all the memory supply too.

>>2070641 this image reminds me of a censorship oversight from one of the videogames i played

>>2070095 >We can't stop winning gamers just wait till asia inevitably pops off, what could go wrong having the global production centers for everything right next to each otehr

>>2071712 On one hand it would be bad because there's so much production done there, on another hand production would come back to the civilized world SET THE RING OF FIRE ABLAZE WITH PLUTONIUM

>>1988441 Towards the end of Japan's "economic miracle" (literally just applying fascism and their wartime economic structure to the production of commercial goods) the real estate bubble was so big that one block anywhere in Tokyo was worth more than the entirety of Canada. The whole thing. Money isn't even real. Reasons for a bubble burst have nothing to do with economics, that's why economists can't predict when or how it's going to happen, they can just look at the thing and go "yeah that's getting pretty big".

Man I'm glad I went all in a few years ago on upgrades. God willing I won't have to touch the market for 10+ years.

>>2071712 copy that!

>>2067162 >waiting for card to replace my 1080ti with 2x the ram and 4x the performance >everything above 16gb is $1000+ >5070ti Super 24gb looks pretty good >this happens >look at my gpu >it's fucking eternal

>>2067162 So what's the end game here, the erosion of home computing? I don't just mean PCs, but even consoles and IoT gadgets.

>>2074970 I doubt it, consoles still sell tens to hundreds of millions of units of very few models of custom GPUs that are likely bought and ordered in bulk by the megacorps. Home computing is getting fucked because of how many different models of GPUs there are for the market that amounts to wasted manufacturing space, energy and capacity by comparison

>>2074970 The end of device ownership I think, they've conducted the perfect grift for it. >right to repair keeps gaining traction >more users switching to open source software because proprietary is just getting worse and worse, realizing there isn't a huge learning curve to linux >endless youtube channels teaching people how to decouple themselves from subscription based services to host their own services >AGI was a trojan horse used to get investment capital to kickstart the AI bubble >generative AI was the shiny jingling keys to keep the general public entertained while tech companies focused on their real goal >the investment capital gets passed around between a few companies >microsoft has been gradually moving closer to an OS as a service model, nvidia already had "live service gaming", intel published an article years ago about computers being dumb terminals with no local storage that instead boots into a "cloud OS" >those companies combined with actual datacenter companies all collude to artificially boost their value by just passing money back and forth, attracting companies like micron to cater solely to datacenters >sudden shortage to all consumer hardware driving prices to unaffordability for an already badly strained economy with grid interconnects also putting more strain on the consumer by making them pay for building the electrical infrastructure for datacenters >hardware purpose built for the datacenters can't be used by consumer hardware, so the AI bubble popping wont flood the market with cheap components for desktop users >there will still be a massive hardware shortage, prices will remain high, and electric wont get any cheaper once the electrical infrastructure is built (prices increase for areas with higher electric consumption) >tech companies/researchers declare AGI unfeasible/impossible pipe dream, LLMs cannot ever reach AGI just because they throw more hardware at it >AI bubble pops, they get bailed out by the government with everyone's taxes getting fucked to death for it >tech companies will fast track the construction of nuclear they will own 100% of the power for >tech companies wont let those datacenters go to waste, they will instead repurpose the servers to run VMs for subscription based "home computing" with tiers for every use case, renting to a population with aged computers and windows 11 users because win11 will already reach EOL >every company (except nintendo and valve) gives up on consoles and instead switches to a subscription platform through datacenters to eliminate the need for designing specialized portable high-end hardware, instead selling only sub-smartphone power hardware to connect to "live gaming services"

>>2074970 >>2075325 The only consumer hardware that seems to become gradually relevant are those handheld gaming PCs. Even then, I expect multiple compromises regardless of model. Making them into all-in-one PCs via a docking station or dongles won't "just werk" even if they all ran SteamOS or some other operating system besides Windows. I don't want it to be abandoned, though, since it's a neat idea that shouldn't just be strictly on that Switch console.

>>2080740 >Making them into all-in-one PCs via a docking station or dongles won't "just werk" Why not? I can't think of an issue with plugging the thing to a monitor and powering it from the wall, some of them even have oculink

>>2075325 >>2075325 >more users switching to open source software because proprietary is just getting worse and worse, realizing there isn't a huge learning curve to linux I seriously can't find a decent open source music player.

>>2080922 Unfortunately you are correct. There is a music player called strawberry but the dev is a nigger and paywalls windows and mac versions so i had to find a fork to use it.

>>2080922 >good FOSS PDF/epub reader What about qpdfview?

>>2080872 Vlc?

>>2080972 no library management afaik.

>>2080998 I always did it thru folders instead

Hopefully game studios will focus on optimizing. Perhaps cybercafes will return. Either way, will there be a war for ram? >>1964267 Much of AI art is better than most digital art handmade in the past 33 years. Also, the AI that is pushing the price has more to do with answers, searches, and data management. On another side note, AI and quantum computing will be necessary for launching a missile to knock asteroids and comets off-course from hitting the earth and also for guiding rockets to deliver embyros to a terraformed planet.

>>1964267 >using shitty outdated, low power, online only black box models with limited features >thinking that's the entire medium FOSS models that can be run locally have better meme support.

>>2081349 Fuck off back to your containment thread nigger.

>>2081445 >>2081448

>>2081448 >artists are literally completely changing their styles just to avoid having their work mistaken for AI Which is basically them having no idea what they're talking about and idiots screaming "IT'S AI!" having no idea what they're talking about. Style output of good Text To Image models can be changed very easily. Unless a style has strict rules to even be in the style (e.g., pixel art has to be made of pixels, otherwise it's not pixel art), it can be taught and genned. What people call "AI style" is actually just what the current shitty fad model thinks of basic concepts like "anime" or "cartoon". That changes with the current shitty fad model. With FOSS you can output be almost any style you want (assuming a sufficient corpus of works). One character, five different style calls (ignore the minor flaws. They're easy to fix in post but not fixed for sake of the demonstration)

>>2081572 that's assuming there are at least a few hundred drawings made in that distinct style, and even then aislop heavily streamlines any semblance of detail inbetween styles due to its mashed potato output nature though the stupid filters people desperately cover their stuff with is retarded and I wish it would stop together with jeetscraping but that's my wishful thinking

>>2081605 >aislop heavily streamlines any semblance of detail inbetween styles due to its mashed potato output nature Only on low settings with old models. Also highres fix exists. >the stupid filters people desperately cover their stuff with is retarded Not least of all because it does not work. There's literally tests off 100% Nightshaded datatest and there's no noticeable degradation in output. The only negative effect it can have is by virtue of degrading image quality

>>2081649 >Only on low settings with old models. Also highres fix exists. Its still present, theres a significant difference between the synthetic reproductions and the original works >Not least of all because it does not work. Thats my biggest gripe with it, all they do is ruin their art for people who want to enjoy it in desperate attempts to "save" themselves

>>2080872 there are like a hundred different music players to choose from, there's gotta be at least 1 with what you're looking for >>2080922 The most resistance I've seen from people I've tried to introduce linux to is simply due to it not being a 1:1 visual clone of windows, if it just looked the same they literally wouldn't know the difference because none of the software they use is windows exclusive. The real issue with FOSS is that pretty much every project is primarily created by programmers, and as such does not take intuitive design into account, what is intuitive to a programmer is not intuitive to a non-programmer. Just look at package managers, literally the only gui wrapper that works is synaptic, and although it's not difficult to understand it's not intuitive to anyone who isn't already familiar with using apt. >>2081612 Woe be upon ye, I cast bad vram. >>2081649 >There's literally tests off 100% nightshaded dataset and there's no noticable degradation got a link for that? >>2081658 They believe that because the PISS (Plagiarized Information Synthesizing Software) is free and open source that it's more ethical or justified or some shit

>>2081723 >Woe be upon ye, I cast bad vram. My RAM is amazing. It just lacks RGB because I was working with a Micro Center inventory.

>>2081850 >lights bad This website is never going to replace 4chan if you keep hating fun like this.

>>2081857 >replace 4chan I think that boat sailed a long time ago anon.

>>2081886 You're bullying me in the rotted-out corpse of a federal honeypot that was already on the fritz before it was framed for a church shooting seven years ago and had every inch of its failure documented by hackers. There are even other altchans you or anyone else on 4/v/ could be using that are even more dead than this one. You don't use other public internet communities or even your own forum. Lowtax is dead. Max Goldberg doesn't interact. Soylent is probably raping a cat corpse in a ditch in Africa. What do you want from me?

>>2081857 nigger

>>2081903 Sir this is a website for discussing video games...

>>2081857 >having lgbtq lights assaulting your eyes and distracting from whatever you're trying to do on your computer is "fun" okay homo

>>2081857 >I want to advertise to the world that I am a flaming homosexual at all times, wasting even more electricity on meaningless accoutrements and blinding strobe effects that distract from my work or gameplay Kill yourself, child. This is a board for actual gamers, not your newfaggot ass.

All the frames are fake (all the frames are fake) And the games are gay (and the games are gay) I went to CES (went to CES) On a winter's day (on a winter' day) Saw Nvidia (saw Nvidia) Show gen-er-ated frames (show generated frames) Resolution dreamin' (resolution dreamin') There's nothing left to play. Nvidia announces DLSS 4.5 at CES - but will it be enough to silence the 'fake frames' haters? https://www.techradar.com/tech-events/nvidia-announces-dlss-4-5-at-ces-but-will-it-be-enough-to-silence-the-fake-frames-haters https://archive.ph/V0btf >We're at CES 2026, and it's unsurprisingly another big one for Nvidia. Team Green had a staggeringly good year in 2025, now sitting pretty as the most valuable company in the world (worth a mind-blowing $4.5 trillion). It's no shock, then, that Nvidia has a lot to show off at CES this year. Leading the presentation was the reveal of an upgrade to Nvidia's DLSS upscaling tech for PC gamers, but don't get too excited; DLSS 5 isn't here just yet, but rather DLSS 4.5. It's an iterative upgrade, delivering a 2nd-generation transformer model (which was originally introduced with DLSS 4) and general improvements to ghosting, pixel sampling, and temporal stability. >Most interesting is a boost to the Multi Frame Generation feature (MFG), which takes the maximum mode from 4x frame-gen to 6x - a significant leap, though my current experiences with the 4x mode on an RTX 5060 and 5070 have been spotty (I've been sticking to the original 2x mode in most games). That being said, if the new transformer model makes the 4x mode more stable, it could be a huge step forward for DLSS. The new-and-improved MFG will be able to intelligently target a framerate that matches your monitor's refresh rate, further optimizing performance. >Hot on the heels of the DLSS 4.5 announcement, Nvidia also unveiled some sweeping improvements to the GeForce Now game-streaming platform, which allows users to pay a subscription to play their own games with the power of RTX graphics via cloud streaming. A new top tier, featuring RTX 5080-level performance, will effectively replace the existing $19.99 a month RTX 4080 tier for the same price (regional pricing has yet to be confirmed, but will likely remain the same as the existing top tier). Nvidia is advertising up to 5K at 120 FPS or 1080p at 360 FPS for this new tier. GeForce Now will also be getting native clients for Linux and Fire TV, the latter of which is likely to be of interest to couch gamers who want to play PC titles but don't have a living-room PC. Expanded controller support is also on the way; racing wheel and flight stick controls are first in line. >Additionally, Nvidia G-Sync is getting an upgrade. The new G-Sync Pulsar technology offers improved sharpness and smoother gameplay compared to existing G-Sync displays, and will be available from January 7th in a select number of monitors from Acer, Asus, AOC, and MSI. These new monitors will reportedly be 27-inch 1440p 360Hz displays, targeted towards serious esports gamers, and are claimed by Nvidia to offer "1000Hz+ Perceived Motion Clarity," which I'm sure will mean something to the aforementioned serious esports gamers. 360Hz sounded high enough to me, but then again, I'm absolute dogwater at Counter-Strike. >Of course, those fancy DLSS 4.5 upgrades won't mean jack to the average PC gamer if they can't get their hands on an RTX 5000 graphics card, and the current RAM crisis is already having a significant impact on GPU pricing. Needless to say, it's not looking great - prices are skyrocketing, stock is thin, and it's not been harder to pick up a high-end GPU since the crypto craze. Nvidia is part of the problem, unfortunately. The recent spike in component demand has been largely driven by a fresh need for AI datacenter hardware, and Team Green is deeply entrenched in the AI market at this stage. >Indeed, the company's CES presentation was also chock-full of AI advancements, with half of the slides dedicated to how RTX 5000 benefits AI-powered content creation, LLM performance, and other AI tools. It's no doubt going to be another profitable year for Nvidia, but I can't help but worry that PC gamers will end up being left in the dust - and with GeForce now providing a tempting alternative for those without their own hardware, Nvidia is poised to win either way.

>>2082921 >won't mean jack to the average PC gamer if they can't get their hands on an RTX 5000 graphics card "Don't worry we have a gpu for those that don't have the latest cards, it's called rtx 3060." <Nvidia may restart production of its most popular GPU: the RTX 3060 >we may not have seen the end of new RTX 3060 models. According to leaker hongxing2020, who has a long and impressive record when it comes to revealing Nvidia's plans, Team Green has told its partners that the RTX 3060 will be returning in the first quarter of 2026 >The latest RTX 5000-series cards use GDDR7 memory, which is expected to be impacted by the hikes more than the older GDDR6. With prices – across more than just tech products – and the cost of living so high, a brand-new RTX 3060 at a very reasonable price might be more successful than you'd imagine https://archive.is/5E6aK

>>2082921 >>2082934 Nice of Jensen to tell us to go fuck ourselves.

>>2082934 3060 coming back sounds like good news as long as they dont ask for 500 bucks for one

>>2082987 No no of course not 350$ lol

>>2082987 8gb $349.99

>>2083048 >>2083052 >50 bucks more than the 5060 doa

>>2083069 There's no reason not to buy used nowadays

>>2082921 Apparently this new DLSS version has like 5-8% performance hit, so not only are you getting fake frames but also creating those frames has a performance impact, especially on 30 and 40 series cards.

AMD cards don't have this problem. >b-b-but muh DLSS If you need DLSS to play something, it's not worth playing. If it's legitimately a performance issue AMD has it's own upscaler that looks like ass but at least won't actually tank your performance even further. AMD has a chance to extend an olive branch to gamers with high performance cheaper cards and consolidate the consumer gamer market from Nvidia, but they are inexplicably retarded themselves. They've had this opportunity multiple times. They're still the lesser evil as of present but eh. Shit like putting RDNA2 at end of life status is just mind numbingly stupid when Nvidia is going to re-release the 3060. Our options are limited.

>>2082915 ACCOUTREMENTS ACCOUTREMENTS ACCOUTREMENTS ACCOUTREMENTS

>>2083196 I love my AMD card. It's big, pretty, runs anything I throw at it, and doesn't have bloat features I don't need like NVIDIA cards do.

>>2083196 DLSS (the upscaler not the frame-gen) is actually pretty good, especially for mid-range cards and/or high-res displays. The problem is review sites being disingenuous about it and devs relying on it instead of doing meaningful optimizations.

>>2083196 Is /v/ a place where you can acknowledge DLSS looks like total fucking dogshit or do redditor PCMR hypebro faggots have to be coddled here too

>>2083196 Isn't the performance hit only an issue when you're actively using the interpolation and upscaling software?

>>2083155 There was a video showing how native input frames got fucked by frame gen. >>2083196 AMD is the same shit with a different flavor don't be fooled nigger.

>>2083241 DLSS is dogshit and I hate when games don't let me turn it off, or when I have to have either it or AMD FSR, and not neither.

>>2083318 >games don't let me turn it off there are games that force framegen? Wtf

>>2083320 I'm pretty sure he's talking about the upscailing tech.

>>2083267 >AMD is the same shit with a different flavor don't be fooled nigger. One is easily improved and upgraded the other is a locked down console shit that requires you to hack your games.

>>2082934 >3060 >1080ti level performance outside of DX12 / RTRT 10 fucking years.

>>2083466 4 years, it came out in 21

>>2083423 AMD plays the same shit with FSR and refusing to price appropriately.

>>2083534 >plays the same shit Literally nvidia makes it impossible to use their newer scaler shit on their cards while the deck can force fsr4 even if it will perform worse. >price appropriately Hardware is a luxury and you can live with your shit hardware and also not playing shitty modern games.

>>2083544 >Hardware is a luxury and you can live with your shit hardware and also not playing shitty modern games. AMD hardware is cheaper then ever to produce and yet they still price their shit at outrageous prices relatively. It's a luxury yes but they price things like faggots.

>>2083545 >but they price things like faggots. That's a literal (You) issue. Just wait for prices that make sense to (You).

>>2083550 Are you a third worlder? if it costs 200 dollars to produce a gpu and they sell it for 500 bucks MSRP, they're not going to drop the price, and we aren't going to get decent prices from third parties anymore, it is fucked. they have learned they can just jack up the prices skyhigh and retards will pay it. Don't pay for brand new gpus or you're a nigger.

>>2083573 So what? the latest Iphone costs 400 alone in parts but they still charge 1100 you're dealing with a market with no real competitors and the options is getting raped willingly getting kissed while being railed or dealing with a 5 year old card for your "reasonable" pricing. >Don't pay for brand new gpus or you're a nigger. Just play on a sega genesis clone from brazil for the rest of your life

>>2083585 >Just play on a sega genesis clone from brazil for the rest of your life You know those nowadays accept SD cards with rom emulator inside of android shell, because people making those forgot how to make a clone of real console.

>>2083602 And he would still complain about it not being reasonable because the SD card will be 4x the price because of ai slop takeover

>>2083585 >Just play on a sega genesis clone from brazil for the rest of your life The fuck kind of retarded false equivalence is this? you can get a used gpu for 200 dollars that will play most games at 1080p at max settings still.

>>2083620 the cards are decently priced actually, amazon had a 70 dollar deal for 1tb cards last month and not some shitty chinesium ones but high speed samsung and sandisk sds

Back to the future https://archive.ph/DyyXt https://archive.ph/76GSF

>>2084067 >they're going to make new CPUs for my AM4 motherboard from 2017 socket AM4 will never die

>>2084311 Of all the memes to come true. I wish I had old screenshots of anons saying that 8 years ago.

>>2085056 Zen 2 processors will outlive the ps5 and at the same time the only games worthwhile of a better cpu is emulation.

IT'S JUST GONNA KEEP GETTING WORSE! "Market That Never Existed": Nvidia CEO Sparks Frenzy In Memory Stocks https://www.zerohedge.com/ai/market-never-existed-nvidia-ceo-sparks-frenzy-memory-stocks https://archive.ph/L68kZ >Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang emphasized in his Monday CES keynote that memory will be a major value driver across the AI universe, a view that aligns with our observation in 2H25 that data-center buildouts are aggressively absorbing DRAM and HBM capacity. With supply already tight and pricing soaring, this environment is translating into earnings tailwinds for memory producers, prompting UBS to say last week that the current memory upcycle could "turbo-charge" Samsung Electronics' profits. >"For storage, that is a completely unserved market today," Huang told the audience at CES on Monday. "This is a market that never existed, and this market will likely be the largest storage market in the world, basically holding the working memory of the world's AIs." >Chipmakers led gains on Tuesday after Huang highlighted storage as an "unserved market," with SanDisk soaring as much as 28%. Storage companies Western Digital and Seagate Technology also posted double-digit percentage gains. Mizuho trading-desk analyst Jordan Klein told MarketWatch that Huang's comments are "bullish" for memory companies. He noted that Huang discussed "how important memory will be for AI use cases and inferencing, such as long reasoning and [key-value] cache to recall all user inquiries with agentic AI." >SanDisk and other memory and storage companies are "key beneficiaries" of the push for "AI inferencing and AI at the edge" in 2026, Bank of America analysts led by Wamsi Mohan told clients recently. Mohan expects tech firms to retain large amounts of data for training, analytics, and compliance purposes, with demand for storage "skyrocketing in tandem." In particular, he noted the growing demand for EVs, drones, surveillance, and sports technology. >Also, last week, UBS analyst Nicolas Gaudois highlighted to clients the uptick in memory is expected to "turbo-charge earnings" for Samsung's memory business. The report is available in full here. Last month, Goldman analyst Maho Kamiya told clients that mounting concerns about soaring memory prices pose new risks for Nintendo, which manufactures consumer electronics such as the popular Switch 2. >The great memory crunch has arrived.

Is it possible to convert niggers into RAM?

>>2085461 You can convert niggers with emps into ram

>>2085467 ok so its physically possible to design a computer architecture where niggers are ram?

>>2085477 too volatile even for volatile memory

>>2085480 fuck

I remember when 8 gig was 'the fuck am I going to use all this for?'

>>2086196 You had a time like that? I always remembered my browser eating through all my ram.

>>2086243 I remember a time before browsers.