I'm coping for a Melina DLC Anons.

>>985823 There is nothing more to do with her story, she wanted to die in the fire and she died. "Oh but I went to the Frenzied Flame and then used the needle to purify myself, why won't she talk to me anymore?" She is too disgusted by the idea that you would even consider killing everyone on the planet, including Torrent, no just because you meta-gamed and used a needle, she is still angry at you, she ain't coming back, unless it's to stab you in the heart.

It only recently struck me that there's no "Don't Link The Fire" ending for Elden Ring. You either have to become the consort to Marika's brain dead body- with an option for various seasonings for the broth, become consort of a blue doll with questionable morals and ethics, or kill everyone. There's no "Fuck this. You're all retarded. I'm leaving." option. >>985823 >>985830 Speaking of blue dolls and good endings.

Cool thread OP, I'm 50 hours into my 2nd playthrough, going way faster than before so I should be ready for the DLC in a few days. I would use my first character but I made the mistake of going ng+ and dropping the game right away 2 years ago hehe

>>985823 Melinafags suffer the most in Elden meme.

Which souls character wud u fug?

>>985999 >Demon Souls Maiden in Black >Dark Souls Priscilla >Dark Souls 2 Emerald Herald >Bloodborne Doll/Lady Maria >Dark Souls 3 Fire Keeper >Elden Ring Several, but in the interest of pattern: Ranni I am extremely basic.

>>986003 >Fire Keeper

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=OO6MOFVmh10 She looks so peaceful

>>986003 sellen > melina > millicent > fia > ranni > lizard girl

>>985833 AAAAAAAAA FUCK YOU I'M PLAYING LIES OF PINGAS, YOU NIGGER

>>986189 Also >Aegis

Just booted up Nioh, liking the mechanics so far, but I just hope the level design is more interesting than "Swamp". Sekiro had a better swamp stage with the Hirata State too

>>986008 Putting all the porn aside it would have been interesting to have Miquella somehow slight the player character. Taking away Melina from you or stealing Torrent(like he was shown in the promotions). The way its done in the DLC you barely get the sense he even charmed anyone of his followers or that he even used his powers for anything but good. It would certainly give the player hell of a lot more motivation to after him and justify why you do not get to side with him. As it stands you are essentially trying to kill him for no reason in particular.

>Code Vein still has Denuvo What the fuck? I have the game from a bundle and I can't even play it because of that crap. It turns 5 in a few months.

>>986161 I bet Sellen gives great head. >>986259 >Code Vein still has Denuvo That's really weird. Namco usually, if it uses it all, gets rid of Denuvo within the year. The only true Denuvo cultists I was aware of were Sega. God I hate Sega for that.

>>986274 Was 2019 before Denuvo started requiring more money for protection after a year? I know a bunch of older Namco Bandai titles (Ace Combat, Soul Calibur) only got rid of Denuvo when it would be incompatible with new Intel CPUs, and its still in Fatal Bullet as well.

so, shadow of the erdtree, is there only one way into the abyssal woods? through the catacombs? if so, then jori is the only boss you need to fight to access pretty much the entirety of the map. I find that to be pretty interesting. >>986274 >I bet Sellen gives great head I want to know what sort of magic she can weave with her feet, personally.

>>986256 >justify why you do not get to side with him The really funny thing is that there is unused Miquella dialogue that seems to be from an ending and it's almost exactly the same thing Ranni says in her Age of Stars ending.

Wait. Where is Miquella's fucking wolfman? Don't all Empyreans get a furry commissar? Isn't that actual base game lore?

>>986655 the shadowbound beasts were given by the two fingers of the golden order; sort of as royal protectors/knightly servants to he who was considered by the order a royal official of high import. marika had maliketh and ranni had blaidd because they were actually chosen as vassal for the greater will. miquella and malenia are defective, thus they weren't fit for candidacy, and didn't receive one (at least that's my personal speculation).

>>986658 With Godfrey, I assumed the lion was also a shadowbound beast, but that seemed to act more like a power limiter than an actual helper. Now I assume he received it, because he was the Elden Lord and the Golden Order wanted to keep tabs on him, so how come Radagon didn't get one, or did Godfrey get his when he was banished, so the Golden Order put a tracking device on him?

>>986212 we get it you cant afford elden ring zoomer

>>986212 Yeah, Nioh is great

>>986655 see, only empyreans get a shadowbound beast. I don't think either radagon or godfrey were empyreans. the lion is called serosh, and he was regent and advisor to godfrey during his time as elden lord. he helped him raise his children, morgott, mohg, godwyn, and the rest of the golden lineage (who are unspecified beyond godrick, it's possible there were more but we don't actually know that).

sorry >>986755 meant for >>986662

>>986662 Sarosh seems to be implied to be his power limiter that helps Godfrey/Hoarah Loux with his barbarian bloodlust and his pseudo-royal adviser that helps with him stately duties because Lion - Royalty symbolism. Would be a bit strange for the Golden Order to keep tabs of him when there's that other theory of him turning Tarnished and banished from the Lands Between as a long term plan of Marika's.

>>986212 >but I just hope the level design is more interesting than "Swamp". Which stage has a swamp? I don't remember a swamp at all? I remember falling into the fucking shrine water 100 times but no swamp.

>>985823 Why does From hate us?

>>985830 Even if it's not a full ending it feels a little sloppy not to have something if you do FF and then cure it. The extra Melina cutscene doesn't play if you get Touched By A Three Finger after she does a flip. So there should at least be an extra scene if you burn for her and then double cross crazy space satan with gay boi's needle. >>986921 I just don't think they think shit through or something.

>6 months since the last berserk chapter >we are on a boat again only relevant thread I can post this in no bully, remember when you couldnt find a ds1 fan that wasnt also a berserk fan?

So is the Scadutree the original Erdtree? Meaning it is/was the Crucible?

>>987082 On a KUSHAN Boat!

>>987721 >Remembrance of the Scadutree Avatar, hewn into the Scadutree. The power of its namesake can be unlocked by the Finger Reader. Alternatively, it can be used to gain a great bounty of runes. The Scadutree is the shadow of the Erdtree. Born of dark notions that bear no sense of Order, that twist and bend its stock, rendering it brittle.

>>987082 >>987875 >Still reading Berserk Anon please, Miura never had a plan and the people continuing it sure as hell don't. It's all just been padding since the Conviction Arc. Christ, I wish the Monster of the Week format was kept, it was so much better than faggy LoTR party hijinks.

>>987881 >the people continuing it The WHAT?

>>987889 I'm sorry you had to find out this way, anon...

>>987889 You really thought they still have this tradition of burying the artist with his art? Look at DragonBall and whatever Square Enix have been shitting out just to bank on Toriyama's death, they can just hose up their franchises like they're on life support.

It's boring. The biggest issue is that there's practically no exposition, not even for the player character, so it's difficult to give a damn about anything and difficult to make a choice about anything. Without being given any motivation and without any meaningful understanding of the world and its major actors, the game ends up being little more than screwing around until some even triggers. Maybe this changes after you hit the X hour mark, but in my experience every time someone said "oh it gets better after X hours" about a game, it didn't.

>>987881 I'm going to repeat it but the best thing to come out of Berserk was the Lost Children aka the Cannibal Fairy arc, after that the most memorable thing afterwards was Rape Horse, it just got more D&D padded and tamer the longer it went on afterwards.

>>987889 Gooks realized they could milk their franchise just like america did and turned Goku into our Superman and every franchise is open to multiple interpretations of it, spin offs, stand alone series, "canon" continuations, etc, etc... Mangas and animes is dead

>>988244 It's product, Toriyama was pretty blunt about not giving too much of a shit about it after a while. Miura just started stretching out Berserk since he got a license deal with Warner Brothers for movies.

>>988244 >>988245 Mangaka run the gamut of how they feel about their art, but Shonen Jump mangaka in particular are blase about the marketing. Toriyama only reacted once at how Dragon Ball was being used and that was when Dragon Ball Evolution came out. Kishimoto has made no bones about Naruto not being his first choice for a manga, but just the one that sold Oda has repeatedly said he doesn't care how One Piece is merchandised and even mocks people like Ken Levine who treat characters like their children.

>>988245 >>988265 Its not like i can blame them. They fucking take decades out of their lives for the chance of hitting it big time. I won't pretend they are good though.

>>988217 It's a density problem with the narrative. I just don't think open world + Souls jives perfectly well together. It's too easy to miss or break the quests and dialogue that does occur. The DLC itself has a narrative problem in that its basically disconnected from the base game's narrative completely. If you don't defeat two optional bosses then Miquellas plan can't even succeed enough for you to have any reason to try and stop him. Furthermore in 5 out of the 6 endings it doesn't matter if he gets his consort and ascends anyway because you are rewriting reality anyway. That, combined with the fact that the world is such in Elden Ring that you expect more interaction and dialogue with NPCs. Unlike previous Souls everyone isn't dead, a zombie, a werewolf, or crazy so you expect the possibility to converse with more people and as a potential Lord you would think you would get more supporters. Sekiro had a bit of that latter problem too but that game takes place over a much shorter period of time and also Wolf is a recovering psychopath. In other Souls games you're basically a murderhobo but then everyone else is so much worse or they're non sapient so it doesn't really matter.

>>988217 > Without being given any motivation and without any meaningful understanding of the world and its major actors First time playing a souls game?

>Miquella implies incest with his brother Radahn (both being brothers) >Two Fingers (male) becomes a mother >Unique death scene where Miquella steals the player heart if Radahn grabs the player twice (spitting on the roleplay aspect of the game) >Increased number of Female bosses with melee combat as a focus >just so happened to be released during pride month Elden Ring is pretty much Fromsoft meets Ubishit at this point. I honestly would rather play Cuphead

>>985823 Nope too bad, you have to have a tranny faggot fest and you will like it

>>988307 >Unique death scene where Miquella steals the player heart if Radahn grabs the player twice They really just should have made this equivalent to the Three Fingers grab and if you beat Elden Beast without curing it you get a Miquella ending.

>>988307 >>988309 Bro this is literally the "KILL FAGGOTS" dlc. Miquella is the ''villain." He mind controlled Radahn. This entire dlc was about how Miquella was a evil faggot who used people and you kill him for it.

>>988363 Explain why Count Ymir becomes a mother then, if it's not supposed to be woke shit that just so happened to be released during pride month

>>988403 It's because he's channeling or being possessed by Elden Shub Niggerath. I don't think Mommy Finger should even be necessarily thought of as female since "she" is a fucking cosmic horror.

>>988434 >>988363 Man, people fall for the shittiest of bait nowadays. >>988331 That would've been an interesting way to do things, there's even a trigger tied to it in the code as a way to get the "we go together" gesture already. Wonder if they were planning that or a similar idea but decided to scrap it for being too obtuse, or some similar reasoning? On another note. There's a trend with discussion about this DLC that got me thinking, as it's a problem that's been affecting the souls series and souls-likes as a whole for a while, but really feels like it started to become a real problem after DS3. That issue being nobody really talks about the moment-to-moment PVE very much and instead lasers in on boss fights. I want to blame this on DS3 due to that game doing exactly that with mediocre PVE and char/setup building and instead putting most of the gameplay focus on boss fights. This DLC has some of the coolest level design in From's whole repetoire of games and nobody's even talking about it, instead bitching about the bosses or whining about inane shit like how the dancing lion is a bad boss because he has 2 elements he can use. Areas like Belurat and The Specimen Hall are fucking amazing levels to navigate, especially in co-op and with the threat of invaders, and lead to a lot of fun situations in such cases. Even the mini-dungeons are a huge step up from base ER and many are very cool in their own rights like the three catacombs all being distinct. What's the cause of this shift in focus from the PVE as a whole to laser-focusing on boss fights? People aren't even talking about the lore or the characters/story much at all this time around, most discussion I'm seeing is hyper focused on boss fights and boss designs like this game is a boss rush game and not a, you know, RPG with a story and world and whole ass levels and all that.

>>988434 Keep making up excuses. Would you make up an excuse for ER if Fromsoft put trans flags in it?

>>988442 Probably because boss fights in early Souls installments aren't all that difficult. You don't really hear about people complaining about boss dificulty compared to area difficulty in those game. Outside of specific instances like BoC, Capra in the closet, or DS2 hitboxes. Probably blame the Old Hunters DLC for adding the first completely apeshit bosses and getting the fanbase hooked on them.

It’s weird to me that Elden Ring has eclipsed Dark Souls in the cultural zeitgeist. I know it’s got more content and all, but still it feels like Warioland becoming more famous than Super Mario Bros.

>>988307 Nu/pol/ is neurotic to a truly ridiculous degree. >>988442 >What's the cause of this shift in focus from the PVE as a whole to laser-focusing on boss fights? It's just low IQ people having low IQ opinions. For whatever reason Elden Ring riles up aggressively retarded and highly opinionated people. It was the exact same story when the base game came out.

>>988457 >muh pol go back >>>/leftypol/

>>988452 I guess you know how SMT fans felt when Persona eclipsed the main series. >>988457 >It's just low IQ people having low IQ opinions. That's obviously a factor, I know, but it's going beyond just that and this whole "muh boss fights" thing has completely dominated the discussion about Elden Ring, beyond retards being retards. This kind of thing is also spreading beyond Elden Ring itself and has been affecting soulslike discussion and even design for quite a while. I've seen quite a few games where devs really neglect the basic level design while focusing too much on the bosses. Hell, Salt and Sacrifice is probably one of the best examples of that because while the bosses are at least okay and are usually great, the bosses themselves DO NOT mesh with the level design and the chase gimmick becomes quite bullshit when you're fighting bosses with giga-knockback on tiny platforms with lethal drops to the left and right. >>988449 I guess you have a point here, but does that mean the levels are too easy for people, now? Or just that people are lasering in on the hard stuff over discussing the overall game design? IDK myself, I just personally find it frustrating that people are glossing over the excellent things like the new weapons and spells, and the amazing level design to complain about the bosses. Man, I wish I'd get summoned for actual level navigation more, too, while discussing this. I find fighting through levels themselves a ton more fun in general than trying to carry someone through a fight with a big baddie.

>>988442 DS3 and Elden Ring have reached a point where normalfaggots just want to use them as a dick measuring contest so all the online discourse revolves around the boss fights.

>>988484 >but does that mean the levels are too easy for people, now? In the case of Elden Ring they kind of are. It's extremely easy to avoid combat that you don't want it. I guess Sekiro had a bit of that as well since you could grapple out of most situations but Sekiro only half counts as a Souls game. Elden Ring has both Torrent and open world so outside of dungeons combat is completely optional.

>>988442 A lot of lack of discussion surrounding dungeons is due to the open world: if you praise how good dungeons are, then you're forced to admit how bad the open world is. Open world moment to moment "gameplay" is avoiding enemies whilst riding Torrent. Criticizing something they've imprinted unto is impossible for normalfags.

>>988541 My belief that DS1 was peak souls design continues to prove itself even well into the current day.

>>988478 Nu/pol/ is utterly braindead, on top being absurdly neurotic. >>988484 >beyond retards being retards. It's literally just retards, anon. Wake up to the retard menace, it's a genuine problem.

Are people still trying to say ER's open world is bad when it's one of the few in years that rewards you for exploration.

>>988596 Open world is gay to begin with

>>988596 Nice bait, here's your mushroom reward.

LOL

>>988635 He's right. Ymir's a dude through and through and gets referred to as a dude by his bodyguard. He only wants to be a mother in the sense of being able to birth the fingers through becoming a host for them, which does not require being a woman, surprise surprise. It's like calling yourself a mother to tapeworms or another parasite by hosting it in your body. Dude also has an amazing profile pic there. It also seems like someone changed it back in the time since that comment.

>>988653 Trannies are braindead morons desperate for "representation", as if that will alleviate the problem of their suicide rates.

>>988653 I think they removed all traces of any pronouns from Ymir's Boss page and the entire article is in first person now.

>>988653 Basically proving he's a tranny. He could have referred to himself as a father to them and it would have made more sense. Just a reminder this just so happened to be released during pride month

Yes, retardanon, the Kill Faggots dlc was released during pride month. Given how much I saw liberals on twitter screaming about how pissed the plot dlc made them, your attempted gaslighting isn't going to work.

>>988762 Killing mother ymir is a choice, you don't have to do it to beat the dlc. Plus Ymir isn't a villain

>>988754 Fathers can't give birth to things, anon, don't let the LGBLTBBQ crowd brainwash you into believing otherwise. It's pride month, apparently, so we all have to be extra careful to avoid faggot brainwashing.

>>988787 Tell us why Ymir (male) became a mother and even wanted to be a mother then

>>988818 He became a mother (♂) because he was overly attached to his little finger creeper buddy and sad at how the mother of the fingers was shit at being a mother, anon. Did you not pay attention to his questline at all? Did you even play the game? Are you mentally retarded? Don't answer that, it's a rhetorical question. I already know you're retarded.

>>988843 Indeed. Truly, Miquella the Booty Warrior riding Radahn like he's playing horsey has consigned not only elden meme, but all of fromslop's games to irrelevancy and failure. Miquella said unto not only Radahn, but the innocent players, and even the developers themselves: "I like ya and I want ya. Now we can do this the easy way, or we can do it the hard way, the choice is yours." All is lost. Open world games were a mistake and the first and final step of the LGBLTBBQ agenda to undermine gaming. We chose the hard way and all that's left now are asses and elbows. t. niggerpill.

>>988847 Your ass has been well and truly Miquellested. What a shame.

What is this weird push lately to suggest Elden meme is pozzed?

>>988853 Closeted faggots wanting Miquella's willy up their asses.

>>988847 You sound kinda mad at gay people. Wanna drop your Discord and take out that anger on my bussy while calling me a faggot? t. gay bottom and consort of Miquella

>>988856 Good to see the gay pride symbol himself here on 8chan.moe, General Radahn.

>>988853 Typical kneejerk that anything remotely gay = pozzed. Even though I don't see how a fag wanting to make members of his own family his hypno slaves and objectively being the villain is anything good being said about homos. (Also, why are people blaming Miyazaki when if there was any pozz it was likely added by the lazy fat faggot GRRM.)

>>988858 >if there was any pozz it was likely added by the lazy fat faggot GRRM Surely any pozz wouldn't have come from that pure and innocent lad.

>>988861 Don't forget to respond to me, faggot. Ye who desireth Miquella's willly up his ass. The willy of the mighty Booty Warrior.

>>988861 Mmmhh Daddy, love how you degrade me. I'm jacking it right now like the dirty queer I am. Drop your Discord, you could really dom me, Elden Ring, open world, and gay people if you fuck my stinky bussy and call me a Fromslop faggot while I'm fighting Radahn. You know you wanna.

>>988869 To the Booty Warrior, there is no bait, only man's butt. t. true loremaster

>>988869 Yeah I don't get why people keep biting the bait either. But it sure is funny to see this spergery, makes me think of that Xenoblade thread where an anon was throwing a massive fit over Taion. On another note, any of you lads came up with some new fashion with shit from the DLC? I have this cool one I managed to throw together from Dryleaf with Messemer's gloves and Ymir's pants. Feels like they pair better with the altered Dryleaf robes due to the off-white matching the undershirt of the robes. Looks good but has little to no defenses.

>>988874 >makes me think of that Xenoblade thread where an anon was throwing a massive fit over Taion. I thought I was the only one who remembered that shit.

>>988895 >Alfred Kinsey The professional masturbator who picked up where Magnus Hirschfeld left off? Wouldn't take him too seriously

>>988948 ITT: triggered nigger faggots

>>988948 >archive Seems like some "/pol/" guy found a new thing to get upset about. Anyway is there any reason why Sekiro never got a DLC? Is it Activision fuckery or Fromsoft got too distracted with Elden Ring.

>>988975 Obviously too busy making a tranny dlc for elden ring

>>988975 Probably a combination of two things. Activision and a low clear rate for the game due to the high difficulty, thus making it seem like a DLC wouldn't be worth it. It did get some free extra content in the form of boss gauntlets though, for what that's worth. Game puts a really bs early boss in the form of blazing bull, and then Genichiro is a massive (but manageable) difficulty spike where you learn how to play or die trying. I think putting demon of hatred right before the final boss was the biggest filter for people though, as I've never heard a single person say a positive thing about that boss and I know a few people who put the game down over that fucker, too, even if he's optional.

>>988975 It's a shame we never did.I wouldhave liked to git some more lazulite prosthetics and seen Tomoe's story. Or more prosthetics in general really. >>988998 >Game puts a really bs early boss in the form of blazing bull, and then Genichiro is a massive Bull is pretty rough but they did make him easier in a later patch. You do have some opportunity to improve a bit before though since you can do all of Hirata before hand. Before you get to Genichiro you have a big chance to go and explore and get 9 of 10 gourd seeds, several prayer beads, and extra attack upgrade (2 if you do Lady Butterfly) than what the game expects you to have. You can also get enough carp scales to buy floating passage. >Demon of Hatred Man you have to be really fully preped for that fight. It's not like Daddy Owl which is difficult but it just feels like fighting another Isshin type fight where it's a warrior at the peak of his power. The Demon on the other hand is a red hot assfucking that just doesn't end. Hope you have some fire mitigating stuff and plenty of confetti and the lazulite flame + living force.

>>987082 bro miura is dead, there's no point

>>989245 I'm sure story wise it's at least going to plan.

>>988998 I still remember 6-8 long streams at launch of people banging their heads at Lady Butterfly or the rematch with Genichiro. Funny shit.

>>989249 Butterfly I can see because she can potentially be your first full boss, but Black MB Genichiro is weak as shit. He's litterally just there to try and force you to burn a few heals or emblems before three rounds of Isshin.

I still wish we could fight Queen bitch herself.

>>989393 we fight her parasitic body double, close enough.

>>989415 >parasitic body double Man that just reminds me of how Miquella is the biggest faggot ever. He had the finest selfussy in all of the Lands Between and he threw her away just to have weird double necrophile incest gay sex with his brother.

I've been downcast that they didn't add in a true MLGS in the DLC only to realize they added a Ludwig's 2.0

Do I need to do azul favela on my new character for the smithing stone ball bearings or is the DLC filled with +7/8/9s? I went ng+ on my original character and dropped it so Im still catching up with a new one

>>989684 The DLC showers you with stones, but if you want to try out a ton of different weapons, you'll want the bell bearings.

>>989705 >The DLC showers you with stones I hope the same thing will be true of the LoP DLC because there are not enough fucking dark moonstones in the game.

So obviously once you're into the game you can spec however you want but what're the best starter classes for a battlemage/magic knight using incantations & sorceries?

>>989445 >text oh, you just made me realize that he could have done as marika-radagon and do a selfcest

>>988559 >repeating lies when called out, this time on a different IP

>>989445 Miquella became a villain the moment he tossed his flower waifu into that hole in order to become a faggot. >>989684 The DLC gives you so many stones people complain about that being the only loot besides new cookbooks. Bell Bearings for stones have basically been made irrelevant.

>>989845 Like what kind of magic knight? Like big colossal sword wielding knight or a rapier/katana knight? If you want a STR/INT build I would go with Hero and then make up the difference leveling INT as you go (there is that big dragon in Calid if you want to to speed it along). For a dexy magic knight I'd go with Prisoner or Samurai. For a holy dexy knight Prophet. Now if you just want a spellblade knight just go with Astrologer. If you want a knight that uses BOTH incantations & sorceries Wretch is probably the best bet and combine it with STR weapons since you can two hand them and that will help with the point spread.

>>989929 Probably like dex weapons more than colossal ones. What about vagabond? Hero is more STR/ARC focused which seems like it's made for dragon incantations. Whereas Vagabond has the most seeming wiggle room with melee stats already there.

>>989928 >Miquella became a villain the moment he tossed his flower waifu into that hole in order to become a faggot. Imagine having a loli built into you and still becoming a faggot. I think Miquella might be retarded. >>989933 Do you want to be a knight that uses spells or a mage that uses swords? >vagabond Since you want a DEX/INT build consider Warrior. It's got 16 DEX and 10 INT and comes with twin scimitars.

>>989934 Knight that uses spells. I don't like primarily mage gameplay. Just seems really boring. I feel more satisfied hitting things & getting close. Warrior or Samurai? I think there's like a 1 or 2 point difference.

>>989934 >I think Miquella might be retarded. Throwing opium loli off of a cliff is definitely retarded. He deserved to die. >>989937 >I feel more satisfied hitting things & getting close. Just do carian sword sorceries. It's literally just a melee mage build. Make sure to throw in Gavel of Haima. Dual wield it for extra fun.

>>989940 That means more FP usage spam & needing to have at least 2 flasks dedicated for it. Usually I save all that for bosses or bigger mobs.

>>989937 >Warrior or Samurai? I think there's like a 1 or 2 point difference. Well at that point I guess aesthetics come into play a bit. If you want azn look it takes awhile to get the samurai set if you don't get it at character creation. >Knight that uses spells. I don't like primarily mage gameplay. Be aware that hymanoid opponets roll like motherfuckers in this game and basically input read so consider night sorceries if you wan supplemental damaging spells. Or use gravity shit to suck in or repel enemies for melee beating. >Just seems really boring. I feel more satisfied hitting things & getting close. Really consider going spellblade. It's like a whole sub class of spells that work like DS3's Farron flash sword and old moonlight. And also one spell that involves a giant magic mallet.

>>989942 You either want to be a mage or not, anon. Maybe a lightning build would work for you? I haven't played one myself yet, so I don't really know, but maybe search around online for some ideas. >>989943 >hymanoid opponets roll like motherfuckers in this game and basically input read so consider night sorceries if you wan supplemental damaging spells. Magic Glintblade and Glintblade Trio from the DLC also work.

>>989943 Well they're both eastern. Just Warrior is more nomadic arabian & Samurai is Nippon. I mean it's a Japanese game & all but it almost feels like a cop out to pick a samurai look in a western themed game. Though between aesthetics I do prefer Samurai. Even if Warrior has a cooler background. I've done a full playthrough before so I know how enemies can be. Hmmm I dunno. >>989944 I wanna be a hybrid knight, anon. I must slash & unleash the power of dragons at the same time.

>>989946 >I must slash & unleash the power of dragons at the same time. Just be a drake knight, then. Make Igon proud.

>>989948 Then we shift the question of the starting class for that route.

>>989951 Just look up a good dragon incantation build on the internet, anon. Starting classes don't matter as much as you probably think they do.

>>989954 You don't understand, anon. My autistic ass must be optimized!

>>989955 Then you should experiment for yourself to determine the optimal Drake Warrior build. Igon is waiting for you.

>>989951 >>989954 Yeah especially since you can do the route >get gold chicken foot on the beach >get morningstar at Weeping Peninsula >take trap chest to AIDS land >trek to giant dragon's ass >touch scaly tail! >get a fuckton of runes and 5 dragon hearts You're now well on your way to a Dragon build. Also >pick stone sword keys for a burial gift >go through French Folk-hero' Grave >get dragon pyromancer flame

>>989958 >french folk-hero Also there's a stone sword key in the dragon burnt ruins. They're not exactly rare items & the mobs down there can be a pain. I'd pick the golden seed to get more flasks faster or the imp ashes to get good spirits right away. Say we go this route then. It'd have to be more faith & arcane focused for those incantations. So Hero, Confessor, or Prophet would be the way to go then?

>>989961 You primarily want faith and arcane, so yeah. The Dragon Communion Seal is something you'd probably want, as well, I'd imagine.

>>989963 Yeah it's the best of the 3 primary seals people use. Probably pick Confessor then. Thanks anons.

>>989705 >>989928 thanks, I just killed Malenia so time to go kill Mohg I guess

>>990140 Just realized the guy is wearing a mortal kombat 2 t shirt lmao

>>988853 Typical b8 posters

>>989675 >Strength scaling: A Yeah it's pretty much a STR version of MLGS

Given that From has a tendency to experiment with new features in one game that they implement as a core concept or mechanic in the next, how would anons feel if the next Souls game didn't have the souls leveling system and instead used the fragment on its own? Like how Sekiro did with prayer beads but in an otherwise traditional souls type game?

>>990874 Could be neat. That's basically how Zelda games work, for what it's worth, pieces of heart and getting heart containers from defeating specific bosses, all of which increase your max health and thus your "defense". Only issue would be stat requirements and managing to still have build variety in such a system if that's still a goal to keep.

>>990874 > how would anons feel if the next Souls game didn't have the souls leveling system and instead used the fragment on its own? Like how Sekiro did with prayer beads but in an otherwise traditional souls type game? I think that it will start becoming a souls-lite like Sekiro, instead of a Souls-like.

>>990874 No. It would flare my autism. I need bigger numbers. I need to calculate optimal damage output based on scaling, and to categorize the variations as affected by different infusions and split damage. The only reason it worked in Sekiro is because the player character doesn't have an arsenal of weapons, he's got a small kit and your bread and butter is deflection and deathblows, so it doesn't make sense to include such systems. It might work in another sequel, or maybe another franchise entirely (like a potential Tenchu revival or something; Remember when everyone saw the E3 trailers for Sekiro and thought it'd be a Tenchu spiritual successor instead of another souls game in disguise?), but souls is distinctly an ARPG. I say, keep it that way.

So... I recently bought Lies of P from a recommendation from the previous thread. I'm at the first Stargazer (basically a bonfire) and was told that you can only use them a limited number of times. What am I in for bros?

>>990929 >and was told that you can only use them a limited number of times. Lies >What am I in for bros? More lies

>>990936 ...of P?

How to cheese the first boss bros? I'm beint clowned on by a clown

>>990941 use the greatsword and the handle fable art on red attacks, it's a perfect block for noobs

>>990944 I'm doing a lot better with the Glaive, almost beat him. The greatsword sucks and has no range

I BEAT HIM BROS

>>990947 Family gatherings are always interesting in Marika's family, huh? >>990948 GG.

>>990949 Thanks, I just dodged a lot and made it pay whenever there was a pause in his attacks. Whenever he went red, I got out of his attack range

>>990948 In a fight, right?

>>990952 Yes

>>990948 Nice

How should I shape up my build in lies of p when I really like the glaive?

>>990886 >>990889 >Only issue would be stat requirements and managing to still have build variety in such a system if that's still a goal to keep. Well the way Sekiro does it is that it keeps experience for skill points in essentially Nioh sort of system. Just expanding on that would probably do. They could also attach stats to attire or accessories instead. That already exists in Souls to a small degree with rings that give you extra attainment or that boost the levels of a particular stat by 5 or whatever points. It's not entirely out of left field. Although it would require more careful effort on the part of From to make that work smoothly compared to letting it be directly in the hands of the player and I'm not 100% sure they're up to that task. They have a kind of a "hit the high spots" game development philosophy. >>990929 >I'm at the first Stargazer (basically a bonfire) and was told that you can only use them a limited number of times. That is a lie. Basically it just means that you can only level up at stargazers during the tutorial level. You have to go back to Firelink Hotel to level after you reach it. >>990957 At some point soon you'll be able to trade out blades and handles for all the new weapons you'll find. Experiment. Don't sleep on that like I did for over half the game. Also I don't want to try and steer your build anon but I'll say that I went with an Advance build (basically elemental or "magic") and had loads of fun. It gets pretty cheesy once you get certain weapons and mix n' match just right. In my next run I'll probably do a Motivity (STR) build because there's a ton of fun heavies that I never got a chance to use.

>>990961 I dumped all of my stats into health and stamina when I got to the hotel when I used up the Gemini fragments

>>990957 >glaive Oh shit that glaive! I was confused and thought you were talking about the other glaive. I didn't know when it gave it to you right at the beginning since it was introduced when I was already at endgame. That weapon is basically a boss soul weapon so it doesn't have exchangeable parts. It's got a couple of powerful fable arts so you'll want to keep syringes of blue puppet meth on hand and once you're given the option to gain passives get extra fable slots and skills to increase fable refill. BE AWARE there are only enough upgrade mats to bring 2 boss soul weapons up to +5 and an additional 2 up to +4 so before you think about going above +3 consider long and hard if you really want to commit to it. Regular weapons aren't an issue. There's more than enough materials to bring them all to +9 and like 6 to +10. The blades. That's what gets upgraded not the handles so you can switch what ever handle to your fully upgraded blade. There is another Asian boss soul weapon that you get much later into the game that you might like. It's a sword.

>>990963 >I dumped all of my stats into health and stamina That's a wise decision. I should have leveled health sooner than what I did. Also be aware that there is an encumbered stat and the accessories (basically armor pieces) you get can be surprisingly heavy. Unless your parry game excellent you DO NOT want to "fat roll" in this game, and even then.

>>990966 No I mean the other glaive

>>990970 >the other glaive What's the exact name?

>>990971 Booster glaive

>>990972 Oh you've got that far. Try experimenting with different blades as you get them. You might find a use for fire soon, and lots of it. If you do decide to use elemental blades on a handle that doesn't natively scale with advance then you need to put an advance crank on it. Giving advance scaling doesn't affect the other two stats so it won't negativity affect your weapon if you decide to drop a regular blade back on it. Oh it's also got b scaling in Technique so even though it looks hefty it's a dex weapon.

>>990973 just kidding

>>990974 >>990972 Pair the handle with the Bone-Cutting Sawblade for some sweet range and LARP as Nero.

>>990976 I kinda want to try the glaive handle with the pizza cutter because the default handle for that is a little disappointing.

>>990977 Now that you mention disappointment, i have to say i expected the rabbits to drop the big bro's sword.

>>990983 Everybody I've seen discussing the game wants that sword and the masks of the 4 Rabbits too.

So I got to the giant police puppet in Lies of P. The fights went well until the 2nd half of the battle when he used that faggot grab and started electifying itself. I used consumables to counter the effect but it wasn't perfect and me perfect blocking 80% of his attacks apparently wasn't enough so I had to use a specter and he got clapped in a matter of minutes. What a fucking bullshit boss

>>991016 The Specter is more like a Bloodborne or DS3 phantom than anything like a DS2 phantom. He can pull aggro an do some damage but you've got to do most of the heavy lifting. like 20/80 or 30/70. Later on you can improve the Specter's surviability and output. >and me perfect blocking 80% of his attacks apparently wasn't enough It's really not. You need to be doing better than 95% accuracy with perfect blocks or you're better off dodging or doing regular blocks that let you rally some health back. What weapon are you using and are you making sure that you aren't letting your weight getting too high?

>>990947 Whet the hell is the commentary at the end

>>991022 The glaive you start with.

>>991016 It's fine, you'll meet him again, sorta. Don't miss the fire dagger in the next zone btw.

>>991022 >>991022 Funny enough, it was about that ratio until the last half of the fight

https:// youtube.com/watch?v=7U6WSw-Q8dQ&pp=ygUTbGllcyBvZiBwIHR5cmFuaWNvbg%3D%3D lol

>>991031 I think I used the electric coil even though he immune to electricity. The electric coil also does blunt damage so I guess that's why it worked so well for me. Don't even bother using the self buff, just swing away. I guess you could also use the police baton since it's blunt and it's also really fast.

>>991047 But then you do no damage and have no range though. I've been using a police baton handle with the greatsword blade I got from the beginning of the game and it absolutely smokes normal enemies way better than the glaive but is terrible against bosses

Is somewhat heavy too heavy for Lies of P?

>>991023 If you mean the one with the dragons and "Godwyn doesn't loose", it's a continuation of this video. I divided the video into two parts to take advantage of the 50MB file limit. In the first part Placidusax visits all the dragons in the base game and is disgusted by how much his race has fallen. In the second part it's mostly about Lansseax(the dragon who shapeshifts as a human priestess to train knights and in this video was the dragon GF of Vyke who took the Frenzied Flame path and broke her heart) and her brother Fortissax( who is Godwyn's best friend as he tries to fight off the death plague, and you fight him in the dream world or whatever that was) talking about Vyke and Godwyn who NEVER LOOSES! He KEEPS WINING! If you mean the commentary before that, it's jsut some meta shit that the creator of these videos won't do any more Elden Ring videos, and instead focus on superhero AI voice videos.

>>991122 Yes in my experience it is. I focused on dodging and kiting with light weapons a instead of perfect blocks. You can probably get away with it if you're using the shield or your perfect guards are up to snuff. What I did was level my capacity before everything else so that I was always in the lightest category with the best accessories I could get at the moment and what ever weapon I was using. Wot rings U got? I'm pretty sure that you can get a electrical resist converter before the Watchman. Also carry and use purification and resistance potions. If you get inflicted with electric shock you take more damage from electricity until it wears off or is cured. >>991118 Like I said he's weak against blunt and you're limited at this stage in the game for blunt attacks. Stabs are another option. He's resistant to slash which is what the glaive does. If you keep having trouble try the rapier. And if you have any throwable consumables DO NOT sleep on them. They can break bosses wide open. Depending on your build you might even need them to break the posture of late game bosses and minibosses.

>>991136 >>991141

So, what's the secret to beating the 3 story robot in the factory in Lies of P? Do I really have to slash him 2-3 times and then leave the toxic pool of water back and forth until I beat him?

>>991364 Would you? In the armor?

>>991457 Either tank the poison or explore the factory until you find the lever to turn off the toxic shit

>>991457 Find pipe to turn off the gas. Then stay between the legs to chip away at him. Note you'll always encounter at least 2-3 more later but they're optional as well. Same idea applies.

>>991457 He's actually not that hard just a lot of health and hits like a truck but like the others said just come back to him after you turn the sludge off. From this stage on you should really endeavor to explore thoroughly. There's secret nooks everywhere.

>whoopsuru, arr questo a fuckuru wwwww fuck you too, Mitsubishi-san

>>991651 It's always been kind of a thing but but it really stands out and becomes a problem in an open world game. The whole DLC is kind of wonky rn from what I've heard. I've held off playing it at all because of this.

I DID IT BROS

>>991977 Nice but >that weapon The hell are you doing?

>>991980 What's wrong with my weapon? It's been my main for a while now. What should I do with all my ergo? I put the majority of my points in Motive and Health so far. I'm going to bed and I'll decide tomorrow

>>991990 It's just too simple when you should have better options by now, like the nagitana, the electric coil, the wrench, the booster glaive, the fire dagger and i was gonna say the boss weapons but you can't get them until you find the guy with the mask you're wearing. As for the ergo, use it on weapons and Capacity and Vigor to increase weight limit and stamina.

>>991651 None of the quests become fucked. It's just you can miss out on basic items or help sometimes. To really mess up a questline is to kill a boss too early or a questline too late. It's not a game that allows for main quest to side questing afterwards.

>>991977 >>991990 You did get the salamander dagger, right? I'm just asking because... well you'll find out shortly.

>>991990 >What should I do with all my ergo? I missed this part. What is your point spread so far? What's your equipment look like? >I put the majority of my points in Motive and Health so far. Maybe put a little into Capacity. Just consider doing that along as every so many levels. You don't want it to creep up on you. If you're comfortable with where your stamina is at then put a little into Advance. Not only does that help your elemental scaling but it also increases the damage and "MP" bar of your Legion arms. I was also going to say to trade in your boss ergo for boss weapons, but then I remembered that you can't yet. Have you been answering Arlecchino's phone calls? >>991980 >>992005 Please post more Lies of P art. I can't seem to find much.

>>992097 Just check the game's account and the # on nitter.

>>992102 Cute pics ! Am trying to get into this game, mainly because the protag is super cute, but I feel like the game is a bit too floaty. Besides the default sword parry system is a bit strange : I have to press RB then Y ?? Having a blast with Sekiro tho, can't imagine myself going back to Elden Ring no matter how grandiose it is.

>>992197 I've never really got the parry system down. Next time I play through it I'm going to make a concerted effort to really learn it. >>992197 >Having a blast with Sekiro tho, can't imagine myself going back to Elden Ring no matter how grandiose it is. Shinobi Action Souls is a super fun game. That's another game I need to replay and this time force myself to use the prosthetics I neglected in my first couple of playthroughs.

>>992199 >That's another game I need to replay and this time force myself to use the prosthetics I neglected in my first couple of playthroughs. It flows with your strike once you unlock follow up attacks. Also what I love with that game is how simple the story is, it's not a god damn swiss cheese of a lore.

>>992200 >It flows with your strike once you unlock follow up attacks I mean use the other prosthetics I didn't use before. I completely neglected the mist raven and I only used the axes and spears on the rare occasion where I had to split a shield or pull a worm, respectively. I was all about the flame vents, umbrellas, and the fans. I never took advantage of chasing strike either. I need to experiment more. >it's not a god damn swiss cheese of a lore It's a real shame when you specifically get your sempai to write out the entire backstory of everything and then you still manage to make it as mangled as you do in your other games where you're just winging it as you go along.

>>992203 I don't know how much GRM has been involved on the project, at least all the important characters have either G or R or M in their name so I guess it's him. I think ER is Myasaki getting off his own farts because he knows his fans will defend everything and will find such convoluted story a masterpiece. Tho I must say if I finish the game, am aiming for the frenzied flame it's the only one with enough work on its cutscene.

>>992197 >I have to press RB then Y ?? If you're talking about the greatsword, it's LB+Y, that's the skill of the handle, it's a perfect block that you can normally execute by pressing LB right when an attack is about to hit you, the handle skill simply doesn't require you to have a perfect timing for the block.

>>991136 It would have been cool if you could give that drink to some of the DLC characters, too bad they didn't do that.

>>992397 >imagine if you could give it to Miquella

>>987889 The people continuing it are Japanese and the guy directly responsible has been friends with Miura since high school, so I don't think the franchise is going to be raped in ways doomsayers like >>992550 say it will.

>>992555 Who knows. He may be Niggerpill and all that jazz, but we've all seen things happen.

>>992097 >You don't want it to creep up on you. Wouldn't putting my points into health be better though? Like, what's the point to armor when an attack can just negate that armor? It also seems too incremental to me. I'd rather have something that will for sure save me from a death dealing blow than something that may or may not save me from it >Have you been answering Arlecchino's phone calls? I don't think I'm that far in the game yet, I haven't seen or heard a single phone call >If you're comfortable with where your stamina is at then put a little into Advance. Not sure if I want anything into advance, I've seen the flame thrower in action and looked pretty weak to me. >>992076 Yes I had it when I defeated that boss. It's pretty useless though and I only have it as a backup in my other weapon slot because it weighs essentially nothing and is just there in case my weapon breaks/is on the verge of breaking

>>992097 Also my point spread so far: Vitality 26 Vigor 14 Capacity 11 Motivity 20 Technique 5 Advance 6 The newest weapon I have is the Salamander dagger and I purchased both weapons available at a vender earlier in the game

>>992005 Haven't found the wrench yet, don't think any of the places I've visited so far has it. >booster glaive I keep getting stuck within it's annoying combos and can't block or dodge because of it. The blade of the weapon in >>991990 is part of the booster glaive. It can finish all the normal enemies in 1-2 hits. I like the police baton handle for it's moveset and it seems to break enemies weapons more than anything else I've used so far >electric coil Garbage and not good for my build. >fire dagger Also garbage

>>992586 Well, you should be finding the wrench after exiting the factory, in the mines. it's a strong weapon and, from what i've seen, the head pairs well with the baton handle, haven't tried myself though. >fire dagger >Also garbage It is againts puppets, but you'll need it with the new enemies.

>>992583 >I haven't seen or heard a single phone call There's one phone in the area before you enter the factory. > I've seen the flame thrower in action and looked pretty weak to me. It's really not. Although it does get better as you upgrade. The arms are a little inconsistent. Some of them are fine at their base level and the upgrades seem almost a waste, some are useless until fully upgraded, and others are good and slowly get better. >>992585 Your Vitality looks pretty good. I was running around the game with around 15, and no more than 20, until the very end and frankly that was way too low because I was getting 3 tapped way too often. I wouldn't put anymore that 30 and focus on your other stats.

>>992640 Found it before you made your post. It's pretty good but it's doing about the same damage as the glaive blade with this handle probably bec >It is againts puppets, but you'll need it with the new enemies.ause I upgraded it a couple times. Yeah, maybe not the weapon handle but the blade itself is irredeemable garbage. >>992694 >There's one phone in the area before you enter the factory. Well, maybe the devs should have made it clear that someone was calling me then. I combed through that area and never saw a phone or heard a phone call. >Although it does get better as you upgrade. The arms are a little inconsistent. Some of them are fine at their base level and the upgrades seem almost a waste, some are useless until fully upgraded, and others are good and slowly get better. No joke, the only ones I'm even interested in is the one that deals damage as you guard and the mine one. I could care less about the other ones and have just been using the legion arm from the very beginning of the game. >Your Vitality looks pretty good. I was running around the game with around 15, and no more than 20, until the very end and frankly that was way too low because I was getting 3 tapped way too often. I wouldn't put anymore that 30 and focus on your other stats. Welp, I just put even more in vitality and motivity

>>992705 >probably bec *because I upgraded it a few times

>>992705 Well you're not locked into your choices at any rate. You'll get infinite respecs for stats, quartz and legion arms eventually so do sweet it too much. >Salamader dagger is trash Have fun storming the Cathedral!

>>992732 I defeated the one protecting the tram getting there easy enough. Anyway, I am a very patiet, opportunistic fighter. None of the normal enemies/mini bosses have given me any trouble so far

>>992705 Don't sleep on the arms. If anything, use the puppet thread instead of the steel arm just to have something useful instead of a placeholder. >the only ones I'm even interested in is the one that deals damage as you guard and the mine one Yeah the Aegis is a good choice (and somewhat broken), can't say anything about the mine one since it never interesed me.

>>992739 Falcon Eyes disappointed me because when I finally and suddenly had need of a ranged damage source it didn't really do the job. The fully upgraded Puppet String is a complete game changer though. 100% worth 6 legion calibers.

>>992741 For me, Falcon Eyes is too slow, maybe the dodge-shot upgrade would have solved the problem, but i needed the string and flamberge at max, a free heavy attack from a safe distance is too good.

>>992746 The Pandemonium is probably pretty good given how good acid damage can be, but it's hampered by the default splash angle is awkward and so you need upgrades and by the fact that the game puts most of the acid weak enemies at the back side of the game. And besides if I need acid damage and build up I'll just use the acidic crystal spear which is just stupidly powerful for an advance build.

I wish it didn't take so long for the game to allow you to have 2 arms set. It's like the 5th tier unlock I think. That's a lot of quartz.

>>992751 I only used pandemonium a bit on Victor but, as you said, the acidic spear is just a powerful and better option for acid damage, it even worked against Lax, maybe the arm is more useful against crowds of enemies. There's also an acidic axe you can get by talking to a guy in the endgame zone but i haven't used it, oh and a greatsword too. >>992878 I think It's supposed to be for NG+. besides, you can use the golden tree and reset the quartz.

>>992904 >I think It's supposed to be for NG+. besides, you can use the golden tree and reset the quartz. Yeah I know but it's nice to have a couple of options to switch between. Since you basically have to attune them at a "bonfire" like spells in DS you're stuck with whatever you brought until the next stargazer. >I only used pandemonium a bit on Victor but, Man I wish I realized he was weak to acid. I saw the way he looked and just assumed he was weak to fire like all the other blue things that I had just spent the last couple of hours wading through. I had to resort to throwing bowling balls and wondering why my elemental build had failed me. >as you said, the acidic spear is just a powerful and better option for acid damage I think the handle reaches S scaling with an advance crank. It works great with the Salamander blade too. Spent a good part of the game with that as may main weapon. I'm really glad they followed Bloodborne's example and didn't put too many weapons in the game and made them all guaranteed loot so you can play with them all and experiment.

>>992739 I don't even have the inventory space and never used the puppet string arm in the first place. I just don't see any good reason to drag an enemy towards me other than enemies that throw stuff at you which is more of an annoyance than a real threat. Plus, it's useless against bosses. Why the hell would I want to bring all that weight with me when it has such niche uses?

>>992925 Because if you drop 6 legion calibers into it it works exactly like Shadowrush from Sekiro. No fucking joke. It's like playing an entirely different game.

>>992939 Wait wait wait... so you're telling me this ability is somehow better than having more health? Also, what's the difference between using that and just running up to someone and bashing their skull in other than a possible damage increase and maybe being a little faster? That's pretty much how I've been dealing with the zombies at the cathedral too. Run up to them and do hit the quick slash button a couple times and they are dead. What's best about it is they can't even get a hit in

First try that boss. She's way easier than Owl I feel. Besides her ghost version (with a much much much bigger stance) was harder I feel. Do I have to follow the giant carp ?

>>993007 You can use legion arms even if you don't really level Advance, that just gives you a longer bar and other than the 3 elemental arms, they scale off of Motivity or Technique. >Also, what's the difference between using that and just running up to someone and bashing their skull in It's a quick closing multi hit combo with the final hard hit hit coming from above, and since most enemies don't have overhead swings if you can get the first hit of the combo in 90% or more of the time you'll get the whole string. And you're doing the actual damage with your weapon the puppet string works with what ever build you have. It seems like that final hit does huge posture and status build up damage (if you've got status applied) too. Like I said before you need 6 free legion calibers that you're willing to spend. Before that point you're better off putting it into one of the elemental arms or the shield. After you unlock the ability to respec you can consider shifting your calibers to different arms. >cathedral That reminds me there's a hidden weapon up in there that you might like. The handle has parry/block frames during attacks. You'll have to really search for it though. >>993010 >Do I have to follow the giant carp ? You don't have to worry about that anon, it'll follow you.

>>993036 That fucker ate me !

>>993056 I'm surprised you survived swimming in the first place if you didn't deal with Fish Tidus playing literal Blitz-Ball with you. After you manage evade the fish through the secret tunnel and make friends with it you can dive deep down in the lake for some additional fun. There's even more fun in a little valley behind the giant cherry tree past a pack of fish dogs. And I assume you already found the pretty cow on the side. Fountain Head Palace is a FUN place!

My brother-in-law is going to Japan with my sis next year for about 3 weeks. Can anyone mention me the places Sekiro took inspiration for its setting? I'd like it if they went to visit those places

>>993123 Jesus christ you're embarrassing. No wonder your sister is dating someone else.

>>990148 lol I never noticed that

>>993123 Sure thing anon. Ashina Castle seems to be based on Aizuwakamatsu Castle, in Fukushima Prefecture, which is the castle that the actual Ashina Clan held. Or more accurately their castle was rebuilt/refurbished into Aizuwakamatsu Castle. It was eventually captured by Mr. "Put Ya Guns ON!" himself during the Sengoku period.

The main hall of Senpou Temple is almost a 1:1 of Kiyomizu Temple in Tokyo. At least on the outside. Don't know about the inside.

Fountainhead Palace is based on the legend of Ryugu-jo, The Dragon God's Palace, but its aesthetics is general Heian era architecture like what you can see at Byodo-in and Heian-jingu, among others, in Kyoto. Byodo-in, additionally, is directly featured in Nioh 2 as the stage where Otakemaru, Tamamo-no-Mae, and Shuten-doji are all sealed formerly.

Bonus: The Moon Viewing Tower from the beginning is probably not based on any place specific, but there are several tiny castle type tenshu in Japan that it could have been inspired from. Here's some examples.

>>993076 I did kill that soccer ball throwing twat, along his aging flutte playing dudes. It's after cleaning the temple that I took a swim. What's that cow... oh god no not another bull

>>993291 Fountain head is kind of big and open and flat so I'll give you a little hint sheet if you want to peek. No full spoilers just some points of possible interest for you. You do have to get past the fish issue before you can reach upper Fountainhead though so you're on the right track.

>>993298 thank you kindly

>>993300 There's also a merchant here like the one you find at Hirata estates tat sells stuff for carp scales. I don't remember percicely how to get to him but you'll be able to find him if you unlock and explore the whole place, if you haven't already.

>>993301 >the corrupted monk boss gave me an item allowing me to purchase confettis. Fucking finally. Also how do I murk the headless surrounded by slowing mist in the hidden Forest

Got done with the faggot boss after the cathedral who decided to 4v1 me. The health bar is gonna go across the entire screen when I'm finished lol.

Is this a good weapon combo? Is there a blade thats bigger and does more damage?

>>993319 I think attacking with the confetti buff several times dispels the mist. Although personally I always deal with Headless on land with the purple umbrella. I think you need it combined with living force to get the maximum benefit out of it though. >>993377 >finished with the cathederal Did you find the boss souls merchant? Did you find the spear up in the clocktower rafter area. Did you find the secret door that you need a key for? >pipe wrench + bone cutting saw Is it working for you right now? Then if so it's a good weapon. > Is there a blade thats bigger and does more damage? There is IN FACT a bigger blade that does more damage but it's a long ways off from where you are. By several areas. Not including boss soul weapons, of course but you can't trade the blades and handles of those.

>>993389 >Did you find the boss souls merchant? You mean the guy in the dog mask? Yes. >Did you find the spear up in the clocktower rafter area. You mean the spear that did elemental damage? Yes. >Did you find the secret door that you need a key for? Can't remember, probably not >Is it working for you right now? Then if so it's a good weapon. No, I just like the way it looked. It does crap damage. But I did put it on my police baton handle and it is amazing. >There is IN FACT a bigger blade that does more damage but it's a long ways off from where you are. By several areas. Not including boss soul weapons, of course but you can't trade the blades and handles of those. Maybe I'll have use for the pipe wrench handle eventually then

>>993377 >Got done with the faggot boss after the cathedral who decided to 4v1 me. Lol, hope you're ready for round 2. >>993386 Never tried the wrench handle so i can't say much but that blade is pretty good, i'd suggest the booster handle+sawblade. >>993389 >There is IN FACT a bigger blade that does more damage Which one?

>>993411 >i'd suggest the booster handle+sawblade. You think so? Isn't the booster handle more of a technique weapon? That doesn't scale well with my build unfortunately

>You mean the guy in the dog mask? Yes. Then you should have access to two new heavy weapons. >spear that did elemental damage? Oh you mean the acid spear. No not that one. The Blind Mans spear. It's up in the cathedral. You have to ride a gear across Mario style to get to it I think. >Can't remember, probably not It's in the area with the big rolling ball. It's on the other side of the track. >>993411 >Which one? Puppet axe.

>>993412 Hmm yeah, but you can slap a crank to it and make it fit your build, i think. Theres also the bramble sword handle that pairs well with the sawblade, maybe that works better for you.

>>993417 >It's in the area with the big rolling ball. It's on the other side of the track. Oh that one. Yeah I know of it. Does it require the triangle key I got from the phone guy? >Then you should have access to two new heavy weapons. I actually took the equipment piece that gave me a 20-25% chance of not using a pulse cell when using a pulse cell. The other two I squandered because I used them to level up instead.

>>993417 >Oh you mean the acid spear. No not that one. The Blind Mans spear. It's up in the cathedral. You have to ride a gear across Mario style to get to it I think. Yeah I remember that lol. I died trying to get it after I pulled the lever for an elevator to go down. I tried to get it but fell off somehow I got it after I respawned easily though

>>993425 >Does it require the triangle key I got from the phone guy? Yeah. Apparently you have to keep using keys and chatting with Vignini or the guy on the phone will stop calling until you do. >>993425 >The other two I squandered because I used them to level up instead. You did WHAT?! OK I'm going to give you a little heads up right now. Later on you'll get a boss ergo that one of the rewards is a sword called the Frozen Feast. If you don't get the sword then you're locked out of getting an outfit and a piece of quartz until the next NG cycle. You really want every quartz that you can get and I think that's the only one that's permanently missable. Also have you talked to the Wishstone guy? I can't remember if he moves to his final location if you forget to talk to him or not. >>993426 Yeah that's the one with block frames on the handle portion.

>>993429 >Also have you talked to the Wishstone guy? I can't remember if he moves to his final location if you forget to talk to him or not. I have no idea what you're talking about all I know is I have seen a golden tree and got gold dust or whatever and don't know what to do with it >You did WHAT?! More health is more ergo well spent. I might not have even liked those weapons to begin with >Yeah. Apparently you have to keep using keys and chatting with Vignini or the guy on the phone will stop calling until you do. What phone guy?

>>993460 >I have no idea what you're talking about all I know is I have seen a golden tree and got gold dust or whatever and don't know what to do with it Is there a guy in the building where you took the elevator up to the gold tree? If not then you need to go back to the area before the Cathedral and find him and talk to him. He gives you this game's version of the Flask of Wondrous Physik >What phone guy? King of Riddles. He'll keep calling you on pay phones you find as you go through the game. The keys are consumable btw, so you need a new one for each door. It also requires giving the correct answer but that's pretty easy to figure out.

>>993460 >I have seen a golden tree and got gold dust or whatever and don't know what to do with it It's mostly used as a currency for buying wishstones and star fragments. You might want to keep a few on your person at all time in case an NPC asks for one though. Also you have to keep going back periodically to harvest them because they won keep accumulating beyond a certain amount.

>>993485 I was just messing with you lol

>>993497 I'VE BEEN DIDDLED AGAIN!

>>993497 I am really surprised you didn't get the Holy Sword of the Ark though. It a heavy sword that transforms into a halberd/glaive.

Seriously, fuck this guy

>>993133 His power level is too low. He's an embarrassment to that one anon from Hawaii. >>993625 Why? That was one of the more fun bosses in the DLC.

How do the rest of you rate these 4? I wish the other prosthetics has lazulite upgrades.

>>994218 >Shuriken Good for dispatching certain weak enemies like monkies, good for preventing a stronger foe from restoring their poster while at range. Aside from that, they're mostly deflected by pretty much all major bosses and humanoids so they're situational in my book. >Axe I only ever use it to deal with the shield fuckers and the midgets who block conventional attacks with their hats. Another situational ability. >Flame vent Exclusively good against the ogre and that's about it. >Sabimaru Good against Juzou the drunkard, good against elite shinobi, good against some bosses. They're all pretty much situational and you'll get the most value out of being proficient at deflecting. Hence why I hardly ever use any of them.

>>994253 I meant specifically the lazulite upgrades of these 4. The shuriken is just a straight damage upgrade of previous tiers. The sacred flame trades away fire damage for supernatural damage and with living force you can use it like 30 seconds of divine confetti. The saibmaru upgrade has a lingering poison cloud but supposedly loses the piercing effect of the previous tier (that might be fextralife misinfo though). And the axe like the vent trades fire damage for anti spook damage, I'm not sure how good it is because I've never gotten this upgrade.

https://www.gamesradar.com/ive-played-a-billion-soulslikes-and-lies-of-p-is-officially-the-best-one-now-i-want-fromsoftware-to-steal-from-it/ Let's start with the big one. Elden Ring, I love you, but your NPC questlines are obtuse horseshit. FromSoftware's always taken an esoteric approach to quests, with spamming dialogue being a must and random, unknowable events frequently either blocking off quests or advancing them without your knowledge. Souls games are constantly pushing you to explore the world and kill bosses, but if you explore the wrong area or kill the wrong boss too early you run the risk of inadvertently killing, angering, maiming, or pissing off a favorite NPC off-screen. You fool, you absolute buffoon. That, or you'll unwittingly progress their quest by kicking a sheep down a well or something and they'll inexplicably teleport to meet you in the eighth circle of Hell where you now find yourself. Yes, Tarnished, I always swing by the Great Cave of Shrieking Disembowelment in the fall, why do you ask? This has always been kind of ass, to be honest, but it was endearing in a retro way and Siegmeyer was really funny, so we either put up with it or, like Stockholm Syndrome sufferers, somehow convinced ourselves it's actually good design. Then the open world of Elden Ring made it omega ass to trip over arbitrary, invisible quest triggers in a gigantic world that hides NPCs not so much like needles in a haystack but rather hay in a needlestack. It sucks! It's bad! It's the kind of thing that makes me wonder if FromSoftware gets a cut of ad revenue on wiki page views because good luck untangling these Christmas lights without a guide.

>>994386 The issue is that Fromsoft's quest system dated from Demon's Souls, which has completely linear progression, and then they've never updated it or overhauled it. For the other souls games that were more or less linear or at least constrained the system basically works. In a game like Elden Ring that's completely open it falls apart. While Lies of P does have quest markers the real reason it's quest system works so well is because it, like Demon's Souls, is totally linear

>>994386 Another thing is that Miyazaki recently said that he didn't intend for players to use guided. He said he didn't mind if they used a guide to follow questlines but he just intended/assumed that players would naturally encounter things as they naturally played through the game. He even said it was unintentional if it came across as obtuse and apologized. So it's probably just a development blindspot for the souls team. They're just very much in their own heads when developing and planning games.

FUcking fuck the fucking shadowlurkers these respawning fucks. I had finally got down the location of all three reapers, I died around the second one which is easy to reach, and on the way back, as I tried to lock onto the gold skeleton, the cursor locks on to a fucking storm beast which are never fucking in range when I'm trying to kill them, spinning me a quarter turn straight off the fucking cliff while there were 60000 souls on my last bloodstain.

>>985823 >I'm coping for >>>/vb/ Alternatively, >>>/cuckchan/

>>994640 Playing the remake or the original?

>>994691 Original, if the second image I had posted wasn't enough of an indication.

>>994747 >Original Good for you anon. I'm glad too that after the normalfag hyper period wore off people have finally become critical of the remake.

>>994386 >but your NPC questlines are obtuse horseshit. FromSoftware's always taken an esoteric approach to quests, <I played a series that is very well known for having obtuse questlines and then bitched that is has obtuse questlines Why are you so retarded?

>>994749 Oh no, they just forgot about it because they were never interested in the first place. I know a guy who plays Elden meme and he seemed confused as to why I would go through the effort to pirate and run the original game when I could more easily pirate the remake that has more stuff in it.

>>994759 In all fairness that anon is quoting from the article he linked. >>994760 Does he not understand aesthetics and art direction?

>>994768 Yeah, as in, "the newer one has higher resolution textures and more pixels and lighting effects, and more detailed models, so it must be better."

>>994759 And that's ok in a linear game, but for an open world game with the emphasis of exploration and fighting bosses, not so much

>>994771 Honestly they should have had a centralized "town" or at least a "town" in each region where you sent all the NPC you find to to do all their quest stuff. Like they've done in past games really. I think the open world thing just caused their design to get away from under them.

>>994782 They kinda tried to do a centralized town in the base game with the Round Table, but not all NPCs came there, and some of them left to do their quest. I think they had the right idea in the expansion to have the NPCs near bonfires that you can teleport to, but didn't always stick to it, like in the Shadow Keep where at least one NPC wasn't near the bonfire, and instead reading a book. Also fuck the Shadow Keep and "Someone broke a great rune". I accidentally entered from the village(so back entgrance) and didn't understand what the fuck was with that message, since I just crossed a random bridge.

>>994759 why are you making excuses for such shit system, why fromdrones are so smug about a company bathing themselves in their clichés while they are perfectly capable of going beyond like in Sekiro

What's funny is older games did the exact same obtuse quests but everyone sucks them off.

>>994824 >why are you making excuses for such shit system You played a game from a series that is very well, known for not giving a single fuck if, you screw up or miss shit in a questline. Fuck the game doesn't care if you miss large parts of the game, the point is you should've known full fucking well, what you were getting yourself into niggerbrain.

>>994829 Oh well, I thought that I only enjoyed the game enough for one playthrough. It's almost as if not everyone wants to sift through a bunch of shitty guides or do multiple playthroughs

>>994830 > It's almost as if not everyone wants to sift through a bunch of shitty guides or do multiple playthroughs You'd of never lived through playing older games,

>>994831 I've played plenty of older games. Just most of them not exceeding 100+ hours of play. Maybe I have a backlog and want to play something else/am bored with a game? Dipshit

>>994833 I have a major inkling that you've never played much older games if a soulshit title is filtering you so hard. Did the lack of holding your hand bother you that much?

>>994833 >I've played plenty of older games.

>>994834 >>994836 Reminder that a game like GTA San Andreas is considered an old game, because it was released 20 years ago. Ten more years, and the PS360 era will be considered "old".

>>994841 >Ten more years, and the PS360 era will be considered "old".

>>994842 It's been over 10 years since the PS4 and Xbone got launched, ending the PS360 era. In another 10 years the PS360 era will be 20 years old thus considered old, and people will think this video was done unironically. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=w5u8jyPIrIY Though, to be fair, even now they think it's unironic. Even I wasn't sure, in spite of it being made by Crowbcat, but it ending with Skyrim, convinced me that it was ironic, the same way it will convince people 10 years later that it was unironic.

>>994848 I hate this gen.

>>994836 You're actually right anon, I never played donkey kong country, mario 64, star control, spiro, pac man, dig dug, galaga, etc. Basically everything that did not in fact have totally arbitrary and obtuse game design

>>994828 See >>994771 >>994541

>>994850 Yeah, time passes. Can you believe that there are people who weren't even born when the first Titanic sank? Kids nowadays only got to see the sequel, which wasn't even a ship, but a submarine and there were like only 5 people.

>old = good >new = bad Right right, as if KOTOR wasn't a clunky piece of shit. It could never have been designed better. Especially the camera movement, that is pitch perfect. Those kinds of angles should be in all new games!

>>994829 >>994830 Another thing with Demon's Souls is that it's pretty short, so if you fuck up a quest line you can just redo it the next cycle. BB and Sekiro both follow in that vein. The Souls games + Elden Ring have gradually expanded the scope from game to game with Elden Ring pulling off a big Dobson inflation of scale. >>994830 >or do multiple playthroughs The souls games are really built for multiple playthroughs with how the boss soul mechanic works. It's only ER that grants a bit of leeway since it grants you the ability to dupe boss souls. To go back to the comparison to Lies of P, that game definitely was made with the idea that you would do multiple NG+ cycles. There's no boss soul duping and instaed of the typical Souls "weapon or spell" choice it's a choice of a weapon or a "ring". And the boss soul "ring" in Lies are pretty amazing. Also the P-organ unlocks a new tier or upgrades in NG+ and then an additional one in NG+2. Nioh though is still the all time champ of putting effort and thought into NG cycles. It even changes up enemy placement a bit. And the first time you get punched in the face by a glowing red oni and it deactivates Tears of Denial Bird you'll find yourself realizing that it's time to experiment with your build.

>>994865 Obviously it was designed for multiple playthroughs, you're right. But at the very least you can't screw up a quest over invisible conditions being met. If it didn't have the checkpoint system and you could just have a backlog of saves to undo something you did, it would be at least tolerable but since it's a souls like it's not the least bit tolerable for me. If an npc wants you to do something for him, he should point you in the right direction and not flew the coop before telling you where he is going. It just seems to me like it's just a trivial errand and that said npc doesn't care that much if you actually do the quest line. A game such as Morrowind does not hold your hand but the very least points you in the right general direction

>>994854 The anon went into Elden meme knowing this was there. >>994855 5 guys.

>>994830 >It's almost as if not everyone wants to sift through a bunch of shitty guides or do multiple playthroughs Then the game is not for them. These games all have newgame+, and so are intended for multiple playthroughs. It's like complaining that you have to aim in a rooty tooty point and shooty. If you're not the target audience, and neither were you formerly the target audience of the series, then stop bitching and go play other games. These games were never for you.

>>994865 >It even changes up enemy placement a bit Not only that, enemies get new movesets from what I recall.

>>994894 >you don't get it it's intentionally bad game design so criticizing it make you dumb Soulsniggers are truly something else.

>>995038 Git gud.

>>995038 Older games pretty much told, you to go fuck yourself and figure it out but when Soulsgames, do it then it's an issue. The same faggots who suck off Morrowind and praise it's open world, also leave out how that game pretty much expected you to figure it out much like Elden meme does. I hate newfags who never played a game that didn't hold their hand tightly.

>>995038 >lacks reading comprehension >immediately reveals his insecurities All he said was that you weren't the target audience, you read that to mean he was calling you retarded for some bizarre reason.

>>995041 >X game also had bad game design None of this is an argument for why it's good game design, because it isn't. It's just an archaic lazy means of story telling and world building that 98% of the playerbase will never interface with because it's inherently poorly designed. I don't know why you think anyone who points this out is a "newfag". People have been ignoring the shitty souls questline systems for 15 years. Acting like a system you can just ignore because it's tedious and only adds story fluff to the game is some sort of epic filter just makes you sound like a retard. >>995044 You can apply "i-it's not meant for you" logic to every single bad design element in existence by that same logic. It's just a throwaway "fun with friends" platitude that doesn't actually mean anything at all to deflect criticism of an obviously lacking system.

>>995044 He's this pic incarnate.

>>995064 I'm thinking of going back to Sekrio after Elden Ring's DLC, it's been a while so I'm most likely going to suck ass. >>993653 Isn't there a Melina version of this?

Never crossed my mind when I was playing this game that a wireless controllers latency would fuck up my parries. Switched over to a wired and beat him first try. The hulk is not so much the hulk anymore

>>995078 >Never crossed my mind when I was playing this game that a wireless controllers latency would fuck up my parries. Oh fuck I didn't think about that either. I'm going to have to try that. Also this is the guy who's Ergo gives you the Frozen Feast, which you need for that sidequest/puzzle later.

>>995083 You might want to practice a little before fighting a boss if you switch over. I was obviously parrying early to compensate for the latency issue.

>>995102 Great now stop shitting up this thread with your Reddit tier bitching.

>>995078 I just thought of something else. I'm guessing you're already in the next area. That coal fired puppet with the shovel you meat at the start is the is the best place to grind in the entire game if you need ergo. Just run to him and kill him and then run back and reset or teleport back once you unlock that ability. It's like 20-30 second turnaround. Well more depending on how long it takes you to kill him. >>995088 >You might want to practice a little before fighting a boss if you switch over. I am so shit at parrying in that game that quite literally anything would be an improvement.

>>995075 still a pleasure to learn the game, my ass is getting kicked by Ishin but am learning a bit more each time

>>995155 Did you fight Demon of Semon and Daddy Owl?

>>995157 no maybe my next playthrough

>>995157 I STOPPED HESITATING

Loved playing Sekiro, an actual good version of "hard but fair"

fucking hell charmless run is no joke

>>995163 Congratulations. >>995157 I liked the Owl fights because he is a git gud boss for me, more so than even Isshin was. Demon of Hatred though just feels like he's designed as Umbrella=mandatory. I know he's parrayable but just like phase one Ape his tells are just awful. I found it was just easier to turtle when he did the big ground pound and then follow it up with the umbrella attack.

>>995169 the ape is probably the ennemy I hate the most because I don't know when you're supposed to parry, like when he rolls on the ground and throws his tantrums. Hate grabs too. I much prefer his second phase with the sword. Owl is really in character, a cunt turning most of your tricks against you it's funny.

also I have a question : how viable are combat arts on NG+ ? I love the praying strikes because they look cool but I fear I can't cancel block them

Has anyone played Dark Souls: Archthrones? It looks alright, but every other full conversion mod I've used for these games has sucked donkey dick. I don't see why it'd be different.

>>995171 >the ape is probably the ennemy I hate the most because I don't know when you're supposed to parry, like when he rolls on the ground and throws his tantrums. Hate grabs too. I much prefer his second phase with the sword. I agree. I always try to get through his first phase as fast as possible because, even if that meant burning a lot of emblems, because I found his second phase much more reasonable. Even with the AoE terror scream. >Owl is really in character, a cunt turning most of your tricks against you it's funny. You know you're in for it when he mikiri counters you for the first time. Which makes the Owl Father battle even better when he starts Shadow Rushing you and you can pay him back. >>995173 I don't know. I've never taken Sekiro into NG+. That's something that I plan on remedying some time later this year. There IS the Dancing Dragon mask so that might help keep pace. I think it stays with you when you restart as long as you've fully assembled it. That's another thing I've wanted to try, a fresh playthrough but I don't spend any of my skill points until I get to Fountainhead and then drop them all into attack using the Mask. >>995176 I've heard generally good things about it but I've never played it.

>>995178 >Even with the AoE terror scream. he has the merit of vomiting blood before doing his scream so you can scram.

>>995180 I'll either do that or use an umbrella because that's my favorite prosthetic if I'm too close to get out. I keep an umbrella and a spear at ready for the second phase even if I have to use the tanto to create new emblems. Did you know that Guardian + Headless Ape is basically what Lawrence's battle in BB was going to be before it got scrapped and then redon in the DLC?

>>995181 I should try the umbrella, never played BB I should try one day I even got a PS4. Georgeous art btw.

>>995182 Unlike most of the other prosthetics the umbrella doesn't just upgrade linearly. The second umbrella basically replaces the first one but the the Lilac and Phoenix umbrellas have their own little niches. They protect against terror and fire buildup respectively but also the umbrellas slash attack deals fire damage with the Phoenix one and does divine confetti type damage. I really like the Lilac one. It makes Headless and Sichimen fights a completely different experience.

>>995137 All you really need to do is perfect parry the red attacks, everything else you can normally block and regain your health by attacking

Jesus Christ that anon got salty.

>>994386 >games known for not holding your hand >don't hold your hand

>>995219 That anon isn't too bright.

>>995188 >All you really need to do is perfect parry the red attacks Yeah I know but I never got the timing down. Not even from the training dummy.

>>995219 >>995227 >game's known for being bad >is bad Agreed, what a retard.

What is this spergout? I got the DLC and it's much bigger then expected. I wasn't expecting it to be half the size of the base map.

>>995274 Yeah everyone was surprised about the scope of the DLC. >What is this spergout? Yeah I don't get it either. It would be one thing for a drive-by post saying "Souls sucks.", but to keep going on post after post belaboring how you hate [thread subject matter] is badautism territory.

>>995274 >I wasn't expecting it to be half the size of the base map. It's very impressive and worth the price, I miss when games got actual expansions. >>995289 >Yeah I don't get it either. It would be one thing for a drive-by post saying "Souls sucks.", but to keep going on post after post belaboring how you hate [thread subject matter] is badautism territory. Being outed that he's never played older games is what did it, so he's been seething about it.

>>995249 The trick is your character has to complete the animation within the window of the enemies attack. Also, it's more about timing it right before the enemy hits your hit box than when the enemy starts the attack. Also, not sure if you know this but the only way you can get out of a grab is either dodging or running away. >>995289 I've always had a problem with Froms fractured way of telling a story. As of matter of fact I'm pretty sure most people still avoid it when playing these games, especially ds1-3, whereas elden ring seems to have a bit more refined, expanded story. I still see no use in defending poor mechanics that frankly just don't work in an open world setting where a lot of areas blend in with each other. There is no such thing as a perfect game, every game has flaws.

>>995312 >As of matter of fact I'm pretty sure most people still avoid it when playing these games, especially ds1-3 I'm pretty sure most people just play Souls as murderhobos. Outside a few favorite NPC most of them have either unfulfilling quests or unfulfilling interactions or both. >Also, not sure if you know this but the only way you can get out of a grab is either dodging or running away. Sekiro ingrained in me to avoid grabs like the plague.

Whether you love it or hate Fromsoft has been doing this minimalist story telling for 30 years now, and it started with King's Field all the way back on PS1. Anyone who plays these games should very well know what they're getting themselves into at this point.

>>995320 Exactly why I'm playing Lies of P and not Fromsoft games. I might revisit DS1 and play DS3 at one point but am not going to touch Elden Ring because 1) I'm not a fan of open world games 2) I'm not a fan of the way Fromsoft does stories, especially the way it's done in elden ring 3) Apparently Elden Ring is just an expansion of DS3 anyway

>>995321 >Apparently Elden Ring is just an expansion of DS3 anyway Are you fucking retarded?

>>995322 That's what I've heard is that the movement and movement sets are more or less the same

>>995324 Elden Ring and DS3 are different from each other, actually know what the fuck you're talking about.

What retard from 4chan shat this thread up?

>>995325 https://youtube.com/watch?v=J3UkBiRQSnE&pp=ygUsZWxkZW4gcmluZyBkYXJrIHNvdWxzIDMgbW92ZW1lbnQgY29tcGFyaXNvbiA%3D

>>995322 >>995325 To be fair I've heard Elden Ring been called "Dark Souls 3: 2" before.

>>995289 >criticize a singular aspect about the game <uh sweetie could you find somewhere else to complain? Where do you people even come from? In what world is mildly shitting on parts of games you don't like this some sort of grandiose "spergout"? Your posts read like you haven't been on the internet for more then 3 weeks. It feels isolated to these threads specifically for some reason.

>>995327 >Uh the rolling animation is the same gotcha! Elden Ring especially with the expansion is quite different from DS3. >>995329 There are some similarities, but with all the other shit added in both the base game and SoE Elden Ring is still ultimately different from DS3. The way stats work in DS3 and Elden Ring alone is should clue one in.

>>995331 https://youtube.com/watch?v=upw-hXXcY-8&pp=ygUtZWxkZW4gcmluZyB2cyBkYXJrcyBzb3VscyAzIGF0dGFjayBhbmltYXRpb24g

>>995332 So are you actually going to talk about >Horseback combat >Magic and spells blowing anything DS3's magic could out of the water >Jumping and how jumping effects combat and exploration >Ashes of war >How the weapon upgrade system is different >Status aliments and Arcane >Weapon types especially the new ones found in the DLC >How armour works in Elden Ring >Crafting >Stealth >Vigor >Overall exploration

>>995330 It's called noticing a pattern.

>>995335 I'll give you a hint: it's a word that starts with an e

>>995335 I'm generally on your side anon but ER is clearly an incremental development of what DS3 did with some Sekiro mechanics and a dash of Bloodborne flavoring. >Horseback combat Neat concept. I wish they had leaned into it a lot more. >Weapon types especially the new ones found in the DLC Also I wish they had leaned into it a lot more. >Overall exploration I can't help but feel that if you modded DS3 to have an open world you'd get a similar experience. >Jumping and how jumping effects combat and exploration From Sekiro and doesn't do nearly as much with the concept compared to Sekiro due to ER not having a grappling hook. >Ashes of war Basically from Sekiro. >Stealth Also Sekiro. <Scadutree fragments Variant of the prayer bead mechanic from Sekiro. >How the weapon upgrade system is different It's basically just a simplified version of DS3's upgrade system. Half way between DS3 and Bloodborne in fact. >Arcane Basically Luck but renamed. >Magic and spells blowing anything DS3's magic could out of the water >Status aliments >How armour works in Elden Ring >Vigor I'm not sure what you mean by these? >Crafting God how I hate having to craft ammo.

>>995342 Anon you didn't actually argue your point other then show some videos that show similar animations. The anon below did a better job since he bothered to address d46471's list of points. >>995372 But wasn't his point that Elden Ring is different from DS3? If so he's correct ultimately as the two games are different from each other with those add ons even if it shares much of the same DNA.

>>995424 >But wasn't his point that Elden Ring is different from DS3? If so he's correct ultimately as the two games are different from each other with those add ons even if it shares much of the same DNA. Basically yes. Like I said I mostly agreed with him. Elden Ring isn't Dark Souls 3. It's Dark Souls 4. In the same way that Dark Souls is Demon's Souls 2. Of course Bloodborne is the ACTUAL Demon's Souls 2. Umbasa.