>>14462 Forgot the link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg9t1Hw9fKw

>>14462 I've been shilling .45 Super and the USP for at least a couple years now and I'm glad that I'm finally being vindicated. I like this guy too. Has real world knowledge and is in a spot where he doesn't have to shill stuff. The more outdoors/hunting side of guntube has been moving in this direction over the past year or so and I think Paul is largely the one we have to thank for it. People have finally realized that mall ninjas are faggots.

>>14525 Same, bro. 9mm is barely adequate for self-defense, and I'm a big 357 Sig advocate too. I just realized all my 45+P and 45 Super is JHP, and not hardcast. I need to change that.

>>14501 He looks exactly like I imagined

I'm not going to shit on 10mm, but I do think its recent surge in popularity has been a deliberate marketing push. There are a ton of new gun owners who bought a 9mm first and are ready to fall down the stoppin' powah hole, but .45 has been done so many times before. So 10mm was pushed instead as "not your daddy's .45" and all you really get is a limited variety of guns and a couple extra meaningless rounds of capacity.

>>14530 >9mm is barely adequate for self-defense, Well that's just fucking wrong. 9mm has a 100% success rate in defending against bear attacks. It's killed people effectively for 120 years.

>>14898 It's shot placement and margin of error, with bigger cartridges and bigger heavier boolet you have greater margin of error, but returning to your sight picture and actually handling the gun well is compromised. Both things can be overcome with training, but nothing will change the fact that it will always take longer to get your sight picture back where its suppose to be and it will always be harder to deal with the recoil of stoppen powah. The answer is always train more, shoot more, practice more. I am firmly in the shot placement camp, that's why I suck off 5.7's But with enough practice it is essentially just a preference- there is an argument that each has its benefits even to beginners. It's easier for a beginner to be more accurate with 9mm, 22 wmr, 5.7- etc but it's also true that most people will be shaky if they actually have to use their gun for defending themselves in a life or death situation and if the practice they have had so far is "shoot center of mass before they shoot you center of mass" then stoppen powah is great because realistically a new shooter is gonna probably mag dump or let off a few rounds and then take cover and pray that they actually hit something. No matter what we theorize, the fact is we are dealing with handguns and it just takes more training and more practice to be good with a handgun vs something that is easier to stabilize, fits in the shoulder pocket, like a PCC or intermediate cartridge rifle. .45 acp in a PCC is goat for a random noguns to do home defense, or a shotgun (just better hope you dont miss with that shotgun, cause shotguns indoors is crazy) less so a problem with a PCC. Practice more, shoot what you want. The point of funs is to shoot them for funs and apply them correctly when it matters the most.

>>14906 >It's shot placement and margin of error, with bigger cartridges and bigger heavier boolet you have greater margin of error Yeah. That doesn't make 9mm "barely adequate" >but returning to your sight picture and actually handling the gun well is compromised. Which is why 9mm is preferred by a lot of people. Quicker shots and more shots offset the margin of error from a larger round. >The answer is always train more, shoot more, practice more. I am firmly in the shot placement camp, that's why I suck off 5.7's This is always the answer. >.45 acp in a PCC is goat for a random noguns to do home defense An AR is even better. They weigh the same, can have the same OAL, it's cheaper to practice with .223, and they hit way fucking harder than .45 (even from short barrels). >but muh noise Anything without earpro or a suppressor indoors is going to suck. Electronic ear pro is cheap and takes 5 seconds to put on. If you have time to grab a long gun, you have time to put on ear pro too. Firing one or two shots indoors won't kill you anyways.

10mm bros did we get too cocky?

>>14911 >If you have time to grab a long gun, you have time to put on ear pro too. That is a great point, completely agree with that. Anon do you know if a flash suppressor requires the same documentation as a regular suppressor? ATF Form 4 submission, a $200 tax stamp, and approval? If not, I see no reason why you would pick a regular suppressor over a flash suppressor for night time home defense- cause its not like you're going to be far enough away for a regular suppressor to really be putting work in on masking your position and making you harder to find and target. Seems like earpro and flash suppressor would be a good combo. >it's cheaper to practice with .223, and they hit way fucking harder than .45 That's 100% true, however what about over penetration in like an apartment complex, townhome, condominium or tightly packed suburb? Have to share this Paul Harrell vid, quite relevant to this discussion. https://youtu.be/Qw8IiRgSMFQ?si=j-0czn5t5OxT99Zl

>>15002 >Anon do you know if a flash suppressor requires the same documentation as a regular suppressor? ATF Form 4 submission, a $200 tax stamp, and approval? Nope not at all. You can buy them wherever and have it shipped to your door. The standard A2 birdcage is a flash suppressor. And honestly a pretty solid one at that. I'm curious, are you American or do you own guns? That's pretty basic knowledge about flash suppressors. >If not, I see no reason why you would pick a regular suppressor over a flash suppressor for night time home defense- cause its not like you're going to be far enough away for a regular suppressor to really be putting work in on masking your position and making you harder to find and target. Biggest reason is noise. Second reason is the flash suppression is even better and your won't kill your nightvision indoors. In my opinion I'm not worried about that but I can see why it's a concern. I use a 10.5" .300 blackout with a suppressor. With supersonics, it's still loud, but hearing safe (relatively) and then I don't have to worry about earpro. I still keep earpro next to my rifle and could double up if I want. A suppressor will make 5.56 tolerable indoors without earpro. A flash suppressor does nothing for noise (there are some linear comps that help minimally). >That's 100% true, however what about over penetration in like an apartment complex, townhome, condominium or tightly packed suburb? Not a realistic concern whatsoever. I've heard variations of this for 20 years of internet gun forums and have yet to see or hear one single example of overpenetration in a home defense situation. Seriously, try searching for it yourself. The likelihood you miss, going through multiple walls, furniture, distance, etc. AND happen to hit a neighbor is next to zero. Which is why I can't find a record of it ever happening. If you're in an apartment and extra worried, use 60gr vmax. They fragment massively but have a slightly thicker jacket than the 50 or 55gr vmax and the slightly heavier weight helps with penetration. You're still hitting vitals with it, and if you do miss it will start to break up in whatever you hit. Also, pistol rounds penetrate just as many interior walls as 5.56 and similar SCHV rounds because those start to tumble and destabilize which bleeds energy fast. 230gr .45 for example retains it's energy and direction quite well.

>>15003 https://www.news9.com/story/622285641788ae7a710934cd/woman-accidentally-shot-husband-multiple-times-instead-of-home-intruder https://www.vice.com/en/article/when-you-accidentally-shoot-your-loved-one/ So I looked into it to see what I could find and it seems people accidentally shooting loved ones seems to be far more common than accidentally shooting them through walls. I did find this: https://www.khou.com/article/news/crime/laurel-creek-man-accidentally-shot-killed-in-his-home-after-bullet-flies-through-wall/285-bdedf797-1151-4a6a-84b8-afc2ed78a4b3 This didn't happen during a home invasion, but supposedly did happen on accident. I was able to find some immediate and sort of up to date examples of similar scenarios playing out. Moral of the story I guess is that overpenetration is not as deadly as improper target identification. We probably don't stress that enough on /k/ you must fully identify your target first before taking the shot or a family member takes the bullet. So sad. Such depressing stories.

>>15003 >That's pretty basic knowledge about flash suppressors. I've only ever shot 5.56, .223, .45, 22lr, 5.7, 22wmr and .308 and didn't use a flash suppressor on any of them, just whatever came stock on the muzzles. I own a .22 revolver, .22wmr autoloader and a 5.56 semi auto rifle- if you must know.

>>15006 >So I looked into it to see what I could find and it seems people accidentally shooting loved ones seems to be far more common than accidentally shooting them through walls. Exactly my point. Where intruders are going to be like entrances, hallways, doorways, you are very unlikely to miss AND miss in a way that it hits someone else. Anyone else inside the home usually isn't just hanging around there especially when an intruder is there. Another thing to consider. Cops miss about 85% of their shots. They shoot in public and around people as a result of their job. You rarely hear about them hitting bystanders. It does happen, and happens probably more than it should, but given that's the "worst case" for hitting an innocent bystander and it still doesn't happen often think how likely it is for you to miss and hit someone. It just isn't happening.

>>15007 >I've only ever shot 5.56, .223, .45, 22lr, 5.7, 22wmr and .308 and didn't use a flash suppressor on any of them, just whatever came stock on the muzzles With 5.56 and .223 I'm assuming it's through an AR which has a flash hider/suppressor on it from the factory. That's my point. You didn't have to do any NFA bullshit to buy your rifle, so why would you have to for a flash hider? Or you know, search online for them and see it's between $15 and $150 for the various options at dozens of online retailers and none of them mention any paperwork. Still, I'd highly recommend a suppressor. With wait times down to a couple days instead of over a year it's worth the money. Something like a Polonium K takes the edge off the noise and doesn't add much length or weight.

>>15053 Suppressors are the best. >makes a 22 subsonic into something quieter than a pellet gun >turns a 45 into a quiet lead slinger >makes .223 hearing safe when shooting outdoors (barely) Those are my favorite calibers to shoot with it outdoors. Oh, and the SP5 with 147gr bullets. Silky smooth, hardly any recoil.

>>14462 wasn't 10mm made for ninny govt fools in the first place? That doesn't surprise me that something super is in fact super. I still want a taco special 1911 in 38 super and you can't stop me. High polish stainless steel with white virgin mary grips.

>>15006 >We probably don't stress that enough on /k/ you must fully identify your target first before taking the shot or a family member takes the bullet. That's because the most important rule of gun safety is to have fun. If you don't just shoot at noises sometimes you aren't doing it right.

>>15069 .40 s&w was made for ninny glownigger faggots