I wondered when I read of this, that it explained why the F-35 was so unexplainably *expensive* - that in fact they were developing two plains and wanted to keep the specs of the better ones out of FOIA reach.

>>2021 Quite possible, that also mean that foreign buyers got even more screwed with that shit-heap than initially thought.

>>2022 >shit-heap >implying tell us all how you would have done so much better at your personal rendition of Feature-creep, the Plane drama. The engineers aren't the problem, and if you blow off the fact they've actually managed to pull off this wagon-load of legislative pork-barrel compromise and still get the thing to fly, then you delusionally, normal-nigger-esque miss the remarkable accomplishment.

>>2023 The fact that the plane is a shit-heap that kills you when you eject because of politics rather than engineering staff or literal air worthiness certification trannies is irrelevant to whether or not it's actually a shit-heap, which it is. Why it's garbage isn't the point, it's that it's garbage.

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Well yeah, they have to announce it now. This is where the "space force" funding was originally going, so with a huge chunk of secret project funding now going missing, they're being forced to play by the rules and court congress for gibs like the other branches do.

>>2023 >tell us all how you would have done so much better at your personal rendition of Feature-creep, the Plane drama. Not that anon but assuming I had a time machine: take the F-22, pump the best parts of the F-35 into it as per whatever year this change is made and then spend the money that's been pissed away on the F-35 fixing the F-22's issues. We can assume any improvements to other systems the F-35 has just by dint of being newer would also be applied to the F-22. Unit cost would have come down as production ramped up and efficiencies were found ditto with cost per flight hour which has seen a huge drop for the F-35 as it's been in wider use and development has continued. Even if it turns out to be slightly more expensive over the entire lifespan you'll save money by having it in service in proper numbers about a decade earlier so you can retire older planes with their ever-increasing maintenance costs. It would not have been as versatile as the F-35, sure, but frankly jack of all trades, master of none designs are always a disaster in practical use anyway so churn out the F-22 in the best form you can possible make it and then develop a carrier specific design afterwards or whatever else you need and be fucking done with it.

>>2023 >tell us all how you would have done so much better at your personal rendition of Feature-creep, the Plane drama. Not him, but I'd develop three separate planes for different missions and ignore the stupid shit like the $300k helmets. The future of war is missiles anyways, so all you need are "bomber" planes to give explosives a running start towards their target, "fighter" planes that protect those style planes, and "stealth" planes to handle high-altitude missions and other such things. Make "fighter" plane pilots something anyone E-6 or higher can volunteer for (since E5 is the highest the "here for college" folks ever typically make it to) while leaving the "bomber" and "stealth" planes to officers, and just reinvest the trillions saved into next-gen missile and light artillery tech. Problem fucking solved.

>>2027 What do the Marines get for the VTOL replacement?

>>2029 >but muhreens A helicopter.

>>2030 muh jump jet though

>>2029 Something designed from the ground up to be a VTOL, obviously. Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't they still using the Harrier now due to lacking F-35B numbers? If so it doesn't seem like they'll be much worse off. In my timeline they'd be last priority after the F-22 for air superiority, a carrier specific plane for the navy and maybe a ground attack focussed plane designed to be cheaper and for export to less trustworthy/less rich allies (you could delay that since they're still happily buying cheaper stuff now anyway). Alternatively combine the last two since it's not that hard to sacrifice some of the heavier load for whatever relatively minor physical changes you need to handle take off and landing on a carrier: in both cases you're swapping the focus on max speed/max stealth/max manoeuvrability for heavier equipment (payload in one case, landing equipment etc in the other). The F-35 is already essentially just those last two smushed together and with 'pls make VTOL and also be a cheap F-22' slapped on. Once you strip out nonsense like making a VTOL version with wildly different design and the need to be super duper advanced and just accept it as the cheaper workhorse you won't have fags doing things like introducing a whole new HUD alternative because who does that for the second line variant? Bongs would likely want to get involved with a specific VTOL design too due to cuckcarriers so you could offset some of the cost there while also encouraging essentially the only non-USA NATO power that's actually investing in naval power projection. In the UK the whole 'the new carriers have no planes' story has done pretty huge damage to the idea of big military spending projects that will last decades. Basically I'd agree with >>2028 except I'd probably drop the requirement for a dedicated stealth plane since usually the tech is usually outdated in a decade, maybe 15 years anyway so you might as well build aircraft that are functional even when that stops being viable (like the F-22...).

>>2032 Didn't the Marines butting in to the JSF program basically fuck up what could have been something much more straightforward?

Seems like existing F-22 inventories are reaching the end of their service life faster than anticipated.

>>2029 >muhreens gunna jump inna jet for fast extraction Nah. Take an existing design and fix it's flaws, nigger rig it, or outright redesign it to use new materials. They have a perfectly fine VTOL troop transport. osprey or CH-43 They have a perfectly fine VTOL combat platform. apache They stole the designs for a perfectly fine VTOL combat platform. hind variant They have a perfectly fine fast insertion VTOL platform. little bird They have a perfectly fine technical VTOL platform. blackhawk VTOL jets are a meme because they're so maintenance demanding that an environment that demands VTOL is not sufficient to maintain the plane during actual combat. >>2023 See above. The strategy has been shown viable with the F-16 and F-18 variants. >>2028 >Not him, but I'd develop three separate planes for different missions and ignore the stupid shit like the $300k helmets. You could have 300k helmets if you didn't spend 20mil per plane. You could have sacrificial interceptor drones as wingmen for each real pilot. But none of what I said matters, because the entire project was a blank-cheque welfare scam. Getting it to fly or even remotely combat effective were tertiary goals at best.

Is it at least a cool looking plane?

>>2036 It's probably this thing. https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/1175379/UFO-alien-news-conspiracy-Area-51-TR-3B-Military-US

>>2037 Could the profile be modified for test flights to disguise its contours?

>>2020 >I only pretended to be retarded

>>2037 Fuck I hope so.

>>2040 >space force intensifies

>>2033 Not sure but that wouldn't surprise me.

>>2040 Looks more like a toy than something that would actually function.

>>2027 So, basically, you want what the F-35 was supposed to be when LockMart originally submitted the designs before Boeing decided to bullshit to congress that their entry could do all three of the airframes' roles? The Original 'F-35' (before it got that number) was supposed to be the F-22, but with improved stealth by fixing the F-22's coating (and better angling) as well as improved engines and open-architecture computer systems. The Airforce then decided they needed an F-16 replacement more, causing the pre-universal F-35 to begin to take shape. The Navy then stepped in and offered to go half-in on the Twin-Engine design if it was redesigned for Carrier Operation, which the Airforce thought was a good idea, so the 'F-35' became the single-engine F-16 replacement and what became the 'F-37' proposal became the twin-engine F-15C/E and F-18E/F replacement. Process being as process is, Congress demanded that the Airforce and Navy hold a competition for the entire thing, and the Marine Aircraft replacement had to be part of the same program - winner take all. The Airforce objected to no avail, since they already decided on the F-35 and F-37, while the Pentagon wanted the Marine aircraft to be made by someone else. Then Boeing, which only had one of the three aircraft designs (the VTOL would-be F-33, ironically the aircraft the Pentagon wanted for the Marines in the first place), panicked and lobbied congress with physically impossible bullshit (claiming their single airframe could do everything), which Congress bought like the idiotic low-IQ fudds they are. And that's how the Joint Strike Fighter came into being. Boeing still lost since LockMart's 'unholy abomination' (which is Skunkworks' name for the F-35) ended up theoretically capable of pulling off the congress mandated bullshit in a vacuum, whereas Boeing's offering failed to even do that. t. side-related industry insider which picked up engineer gossip at the time >>2033 The Marines' component of the program was at the start supposed to be an entirely different aircraft, the F-33 or F-36.

>>2043 You're going to see jets become increasingly more pizza-shaped or more like cones or pyramids over the next few decades because that's the only way to allow for the sorts of maneuvers "next-gen" planes are supposed to make at the speeds they're supposed to make them.

>>2027 >take the F-22, pump the best parts of the F-35 into it That's basically what this will be.

>>2046 >best parts of the F-35 Is there anything worthwhile about that creatura of political engineering that existing NATO fighters haven't done better?

>>2047 The stealth coating baked into the skin is apparently considered state of the art even by European agencies. But really, aside from the engines, that's about it.

>>2043 Lifting bodies have been a thing for at least 50 years. It's only now that we're getting into the realm where they are becoming necessary for basic fighters.

>>2048 Has the European arms industry even produced anything meaningful since the massive demilitarization at the end of the Cold War? Wasn't their last major aerospace project Eurofighter, with its own complement of cost overruns and money laundering for a plane that was longer viewed as critical by politicians?

>>2045 My question is how do they fly at lower speeds? I'm guessing that they'll be 100% fly by wire if not actually partial autonomous but that doesn't change the fact that "wing" designs tend to have an ideal operating speed and lifting bodies have tended not to do well in subsonic flight. >jets become increasingly more pizza-shaped or more like cones or pyramids >pyramids Thas RITE!

>>2049 Ugly, I don't like it.

>>2052 >Ugly Are you talking about >>2040 or are you talking about the classic X planes?

>>2053 I was talking about the classics, but this new one is ugly too.

>>2054 How could you think they look ugly? They're peak space age aesthetic.

>>2049 >Lifting bodies have been a thing for at least 50 years. Nah. Pic related. >>2050 >Has the European arms industry If the rumors are true, the challenger armor. But you're right, I can't think of anything that isn't cold war era. >>2051 >fly by wire Everything is fly by wire now, which is fine because it allows for designs that kill the pilots from maneuvering forces.

Interestingly that flying triangle has a very similar profile to the X-47.

>>2047 Well over the F-22 it had, for example, an improved stealth coating. I assume it has more modern electronics too just because it's newer. >>2044 >So, basically, you want what the F-35 was supposed to be when LockMart originally submitted the designs before Boeing decided to bullshit to congress that their entry could do all three of the airframes' roles? If I'm understanding your post correctly originally then yes, that's what I'm proposing except I think you're saying they still planned to end F-22 production early and introduce three new airframes one for each role I detailed where I'd just propose keeping the F-22 in production since it was a known success (and you can always produce newer incremental models fairly cheaply it if the tooling is still in use vs the cost of restarting produciton), selling it to tier 1 allies if costs/economies of scale are that worrisome, and then only developing only two new designs: the general use ground attack/second-tier fighter/carrier airframe (sub-designs here of course) and the VTOL airframe. Once those two have been finalised then revisit the need for an F-22/high performance fighter replacement as frankly the odds of you using the top-tier shit in combat is minimal vs the very real need to park a carrier off the coast of some shithole and bomb goatfuckers cost-effectively. I assume you could still put funding towards things like improving the F-22's coating on the side since I believe in the actual shitty timeline we're in it's had that retroactively applied anyway. >>2046 Yes but decades late, at a huge cost overrun and after becoming the procurement laughingstock of the world (with the aforementioned knock-on effects to future procurement decisions in allied nations like the UK). I mean it's not INSAS-tier but for the world's leader in military technology other than self propelled howitzers, for some reason the reputational damage is almost as bad as the operational damage of not having the equipment. Empires collapse more often due to losing their reputation for invincibility than through a single military disaster.

>>2056 >>2057 Is there a chance that the mysterious 6th gen fighter might omit cockpit canopy windows in favor of hooking the pilot into a VR setup? That way they could have the pilot lie on his back instead of being seated upright which should help somewhat during high g maneuvering and Lockmart Boomers surely wouldn't mind a helmet setup even more expensive than that of the F-35.

>>2059 >lie on his back That would be incredibly disorienting, VR or not. If you want the pilot lying down then prone would be much better than supine. It's been tried before with early jets, but it never caught on. Even with VR helmets solving the problem of visibility, having the pilot like that would make it impossible to eject. Oh wait, the F-35 already fucking snaps your neck if you eject, so it's no different.

>>2057 The U.S. government isn't capable of groundbreaking research. That's why everything is a knockoff of Third Reich German designs. Pic related. B2 stealth bomber is a knockoff. >>2059 Too much latency right now, even with the 10 year old imaging advancements digital mirror MIT published. The future of "high tech" fighters is a single command and control plane with multiple disposable drones, which means two seaters are going to make a big comeback. https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=TLUS3KlAAvg Why do you think DARPA invested so heavily in autonomous swarm robotics? Lets say you're in a dogfight. There's 4 real planes and 40 UAVs. >Real planes loose their UAV supports as the mission progresses. >UAVs reorganize when VIP pilots loose their support >UAVs autonomously act to defend real pilots when their own support UAVs cannot cope with defense The real future of "high tech" fighters is that they won't be used, because a missile 1/4 the cost can shoot it down. I have the feeling that all the plane development is being tested on human adversaries for use against something else, because of that fact.

>>2061 >The U.S. government isn't capable of groundbreaking research. Is there any government that has good R&D right now?

>>2062 In what discipline? The US has excellent R&D. In social manipulation and control. But you have to realize that nearly everything in the US is a reverse-engineered product, even the social control. LFTR is an actual breakthrough, but look at how long ago that was. Russia has excellent R&D for small arms, and missile defense systems, but most of that is derivative like the US. I don't know what Europe is doing other than fletching invader semen out of their women and wasting a few billion on a particle accelerator that might be outmatched by some canucks with a water tank that fits in a shipping container. But that's just the things we see, and if the old skunkworks man is to be believed, the US has all the revolutionary tech wrapped up in black projects.

>>2058 >(and you can always produce newer incremental models fairly cheaply it if the tooling is still in use vs the cost of restarting produciton) Not with the F-22 you can't, that was the problem. The computer systems of the F-22 were archaic by the time the F-22 actually entered production, in fact the parts manufacturers stopped manufacturing the parts before the first F-22 flew. To add anything to the F-22's systems required rewriting the entire system's code in its archaic and barely understood anymore code base, because none of the modern systems use that code base and the two code bases cannot communicate. It's like a modern Average Joe trying to have a conversation with an Ancient Sumerian, it's not happening without a miracle. >>2061 >That's why everything is a knockoff of Third Reich German designs. Pic related. B2 stealth bomber is a knockoff. That's a commonly claimed 'fact', but in the end it's utter bullshit if you actually know aeronautical engineering. The B-2 and the German Flying Delta have a roughly 2% airframe match. Two whole percent. You're almost (read: I'm exaggerating here) closer to genetically being a knockoff banana than the B-2 is to being a knockoff of that; X and Y just look similar in this case because they are attempting to apply the same concept. Taking a good concept that was executed sub-optimally, saying 'I can do better', and then actually doing so doesn't result in a knockoff.

>>2059 >VR Headset At that point you might as well pilot the thing from the ground at a tenth of the cost. More importantly wouldn't it make more sense to have the pilot on their stomach or suspended in a sling?

>>2061 >The real future of "high tech" fighters is that they won't be used, because a missile 1/4 the cost can shoot it down. Jets are fast enough now that you need to right kind of missile to intercept them, and the internal balancing and directional mechanisms in such missiles are extremely expensive, like the sort of shit you don't waste on a dud. As explosives are expected to become more expensive over time as shortages increase, I'd say that aircraft will be an integral part of any military for some time yet.

>>2063 <and wasting a few billion on a particle accelerator that might be outmatched by some canucks with a water tank that fits in a shipping container. >Looked into it >SNO project and SNO+ >People refuse to label it as a large-scale event like particle accelerator projects elsewhere because it only has about 100 people working on it Holy fuck, CERN and similar agencies refuse to acknowledge its existence, this is fucking hilarious.

>>2063 >>2067 It's a neutrino observatory, not a particle accelerator. They're completely different things looking at completely different phenomena. This is even more of a false equivalence than claiming that the B2 was a ripoff of German flying wings. The only thing they have in common is that they belong to the same broad field.

>>2064 At last someone with engineering knowledge ITT. This isn't the WWII-era many streloks seemed locked into fantasizing about. Without computer software and internal/external digital communications systems you simply don't get a warfighting aircraft. The avionics and control systems of modern jets like the F-35 and beyond are basically staggering in their scope. They have about as much similarity to pre-boomer era tech as the Sumerians carving on stone tablets do to the global satellite comms infrastructures of today.

>>2067 >SNO What the fuck are you on about? I'm talking about self organizing fusion and SAFIRE. And then there's LENR, which the US has renamed "lattice confined fusion". >>2064 >Taking a good concept that was executed sub-optimally, saying 'I can do better', and then actually doing so doesn't result in a knockoff. Okay ching chong. This is actual innovation. https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=aEPf0QHVuMM >>2069 >They have about as much similarity to pre-boomer era tech as the Sumerians carving on stone tablets do to the global satellite comms infrastructures of today. >faster microprocessors >better sensors >more feedback loops >fiber everywhere >more robust silicon >good low level programming The scope isn't staggering. Vid still related.

>>2070 >This is actual innovation. The argument was that something wasn't a knockoff, not that it was true innovation. But then again, you think that WW2 Fighters and modern Fighters are in the same scope, when the superconductor didn't even exist in WW2, and roughly 90% of the sup-components were not even possible with then-extant materials; so you clearly know literally nothing about Engineering. I guess I shouldn't expect someone who got all of his engineering knowledge from /pol/ back in the day to know the difference between a vacuum tube and a superconductor.

>>2071 Clarification since someone is going to be anal about it, by 'the superconductor didn't even exist in WW2', I'm referring specifically to practical mass produced superconductors, which is a 1950s thing.

>>2070 One could certainly argue heavy inspiration if the 229 or it's upscaled version were the sole example of flying wing. Too bad the USAF already had a long range flying wing bomber in development when US entered the war, and it wasn't some secret german concept that the allies only learned after the war.

>>2070 >self organizing fusion and SAFIRE "producing cavitation bubbles with ultrasound" ....sounds like the old cold fusion thing may have been for real.....

>>2074 Have experiments like vidrel ever been independently verified by anons?

>>2075 Cold fusion is almost certainly real whether it's functional at a level where it's useful is the question.

>>2074 Real? likely, in a method that we can explain? Not yet. Remember, they absolutely assassinated the character of Fleischmann and Pons. The Texas A&M researcher (John Bockris) literally got accused of falsifying data and saw the lynch horde so he said that it was likely his setup got "contaminated".

>>2077 Why do (((they))) hate Cold Fusion so much? Sure it'd upend the oil market if widely commercialized so preventing that is understandable but you'd think the Israeli military would've picked up on LENR power generation/rare earth metal production in some fashion given the strategic implications. And if Saudnigs are no longer useful then the Rabbis can always raise Tungsten prices to whatever level necessary to prevent lesser goyim from acting against the interest of the chosen not to mention treating the tech like Nuclear weapons and applying draconian international restrictions with color revolutions/US invasions as punishment for non-compliance. I just hope there is at least one Terry-tier steppe Schizo with a DIY Fusion-powered GNU/carriage out there.

>>2064 >Not with the F-22 you can't, that was the problem. The computer systems of the F-22 were archaic by the time the F-22 actually entered production, in fact the parts manufacturers stopped manufacturing the parts before the first F-22 flew. To add anything to the F-22's systems required rewriting the entire system's code in its archaic and barely understood anymore code base, because none of the modern systems use that code base and the two code bases cannot communicate. It's like a modern Average Joe trying to have a conversation with an Ancient Sumerian, it's not happening without a miracle. If it's really that hard can't you solve it by simply throwing money at people to learn the old system? Or just rewrite it from the ground up anyway and be done with it.

>>2079 Two words: >If it ain't broke >don't fix it! Even banks don't fuck around with 70s-80s-era COBOL code today (it's still in production use). They simply wrapper it as a black box with newer languages and have done with it. The aerospace industry is even more reticent.

>>2080 >The aerospace industry is even more reticent. The aerospace industry are fucking cheapskates that nickel and dime, and throw a bitch fit when you mention you had 0.3% attrition on a part the size of a speck of dust that costs maybe $100 for a reel of 50,000 of them but that they refuse to order in any quantity except exact. The aerospace industry can get bent and I'm happy that SpaceX is basically treating other space object manufacturers and NASA scientists like children.

>>2081 Enjoy your little fit? Heh, you act like some pedantic schoolchild. I'm not defending their asses, simply stating the case.

>>2081 >simply stating the case That's what he did too

>>2078 The most natural explanation would be that they want it for their own secret projects. A bunch of research into fringe shit has been declassified over the past decade or two, most of it almost nonsensical. Obviously, they wouldn't be so keen doing the same with shit that actually works. And it's quite simple really. >get someone doing the research on your side >poison the well by whatever method fits best - like having him publish a paper suddenly discovering that it's all wrong, or having him publish a purposefully wrong paper and leaving the job of "debunking" the whole theory to others >handsomely pay him to do the research privately for you If circumstances around given theory falling into disrepute seem fucky, there's a good chance that glows were involved in some way.

>>2078 Because it challanges the long standing notion that it is impossible to create fusion at low tempatures. Kinda like gallieo and heliocentrisim. To be more precise, cold fusion is extremely controversial due to the Fleischmann and Pons theories being refuted (and likely wrong but more correct in that they acknowledge said fusion DOES exist. Yet, that still does not explain the emission of the Palladium decays routes that are inconsistent with modern day physics. Back then they did not know about what we term as "high temperature" superconductors in solid state physics as well as today. I know someone personally in that field and his explanation to me is that it has to do with fermi levels and the unexpected behaviors at the molecular level. For some reason read: energy sector advocates/angry scientist refusing to realize that their theories that are accepted as "fact" are wrong the us government did not let him continue with the research so he went to china to finish it and now's he's on the list of banned persons from entering the US. Last I checked he's working on making a superconductor that is iron based trying to hit around -30C.

>>2085 >Because it challanges the long standing notion that it is impossible to create fusion at low tempatures. Fusion is the result of probability, not some special low-temperature process. Physicists have known this for years. The long-standing notion is that you can alter probability to produce it reliably without pressure and heat. I have no doubts that cold fusion exists, but like the other anon stated, viability is a big deal. Silica Aerogels exist as well, but it's virtually impossible to get a working lattice structure at an affordable level at the commercial production level. Same with graphene aerogels for superconductors.

>>2086 That you can't alter probability without pressure and heat.*

>>2086 >>2087 A few years ago LockMart announced it would be pursuing a viable nuclear fusion power source. Wonder if anything ever came of it or if it was just another money laundering scheme.

>>2086 Anything usable would probably still be far off. And lets not forget that it wouldn't be the only "virtually impossible" technology that turned out to be quite possible, even if it took a long time.

>>2074 Cold fusion is LENR SAFIRE is a high temperature plasma experiment that produced excess heat and heavy elements. It just so happened to produce outcomes which support the electric universe model.

>>2086 I'm aware of that. But Pons and a few others claims that Pd fusion is possible with hydrogen with minimal pressure and energy changes. >https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01683-9 Looks like google is going into them again, maybe we are not being told something?

>>2090 >electric universe model. Which one? As far as I can see from a quick search, there's at least a dozen versions, some seem extremely..... dumb.

>>2092 >Galactic filaments >dark matter isn't actually exotic but rather non-emissive plasma >the sun isn't pure fusion or fission but rather something else >space isn't empty, it's full of plasma clouds with different charges It supports the idea that everything is the result of plasma interactions and charge differentials. Almost everything else is wushu hypetrain bullshit. Nasa's lattice confined fusion page was updated since I last saw it. https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/space/science/lattice-confinement-fusion/

>>2078 I guess there's also the danger that if fusion research pays off, not just cold fusion either, then there's the danger that someone could take that and develop pure fusion weapons for the research. Anti-nuclear proliferation works mostly by controlling and limiting access to nuclear materials, which are all fairly exotic and difficult and expensive to acquire. You can't outlaw or limit the possession of hydrogen.

>>2094 >Anti-nuclear proliferation works mostly by controlling and limiting access to nuclear materials, which are all fairly exotic and difficult and expensive to acquire. You can't outlaw or limit the possession of hydrogen. The SAFIRE fags said this outright. But look at what the glowniggers do with ammonia nitrate. OY U GOT A LIOCENS FO THA ELEKTRCITAY? They also hinted that their excess heat was caused by small quantities of radioactive elements being produced on the surface of the core, then rapidly breaking down due to the plasma environment. MIT discovered that radioactive decay can be increased in a hydrogen rich plasma.

>>2094 So, since we already have fusion nuclear weapons, would it really be of much practical interest?

>>2096 That's fission anon. No one has publicly admitted fusion weapons.

>>2097 Not really. Fission is just the trigger to reach the required energy-density for the fusion reaction to go. We've had it since the late 50's Anon, aka Hydrogen Bomb.

>>2098 Irrelevant, that other strelok was talking about pure fusion weapons.

>>2099 The energy output ratio of the fission part is less than 2% of the total. These are fusion bombs. And the 50-megaton yields couldn't care less about pedantic pandering to sci-fi. 40's-era scientists and engineers solved this problem already -- and much cheaper than 'pure' imaginings have to offer tbh.

>>2100 The point is that hydrogen bombs require a regular atomic bomb to squeeze and heat the fuel to touch off fusion. If you had pure fusion, i.e. without the plutonium powered primary, then the entire proliferation landscape changes.

>>2101 If you can make a pure fusion bomb without radioactive elements you just opened up a new age of warfare where countries just fusion bomb the shit out of each other since there's little worry of permanently salting the earth. The current versions are fine and should be the standard, see >>2100

>>2102 >you just opened up a new age of warfare where countries just fusion bomb the shit out of each other Yeah, that's the point.

>>2085 Alright which one of you fags works at MIT: >Two and a half years ago, MIT entered into a research agreement with startup company Commonwealth Fusion Systems to develop a next-generation fusion research experiment, called SPARC, as a precursor to a practical, emissions-free power plant. Now, after many months of intensive research and engineering work, the researchers charged with defining and refining the physics behind the ambitious tokamak design have published a series of papers summarizing the progress they have made and outlining the key research questions SPARC will enable. >Martin Greenwald, deputy director of MIT’s Plasma Science and Fusion Center and one of the project’s lead scientists, says the work is progressing smoothly and on track. This series of papers provides a high level of confidence in the plasma physics and the performance predictions for SPARC, he says. No unexpected impediments or surprises have shown up, and the remaining challenges appear to be manageable. This sets a solid basis for the device’s operation once constructed, according to Greenwald. >SPARC is planned to be the first experimental device ever to achieve a “burning plasma” — that is, a self-sustaining fusion reaction in which different isotopes of the element hydrogen fuse together to form helium, without the need for any further input of energy. Studying the behavior of this burning plasma — something never before seen on Earth in a controlled fashion — is seen as crucial information for developing the next step, a working prototype of a practical, power-generating power plant. >"The MIT group is pursuing a very compelling approach to fusion energy." says Chris Hegna, a professor of engineering physics at the University of Wisconsin at Madison, who was not connected to this work. "They realized the emergence of high-temperature superconducting technology enables a high magnetic field approach to producing net energy gain from a magnetic confinement system. This work is a potential game-changer for the international fusion program​." >The SPARC design, though about the twice the size as MIT’s retired Alcator C-Mod experiment and other similar research machines currently in operation, would be far more powerful, achieving fusion performance comparable to that expected in the much larger ITER tokamak being built in France. The high power in a small size is made possible by advances in superconducting magnets that allow for a much stronger magnetic field to confine the hot plasma. >The analysis done so far shows that the planned fusion energy output of the SPARC tokamak should be able to meet the design specifications with a comfortable margin to spare. It is designed to achieve a Q efficiency factor of at least 2, essentially meaning that twice as much fusion energy is produced as the amount of energy pumped in to generate the reaction. That would be the first time a fusion plasma of any kind has produced more energy than it consumed. >The calculations at this point show that SPARC could actually achieve a Q ratio of 10 or more, according to the new papers. While Greenwald cautions that the team wants to be careful not to overpromise, and much work remains, the results so far indicate that the project will at least achieve its goals, and specifically will meet its key objective of producing a burning plasma, wherein the self-heating dominates the energy balance. >“We’re still aiming for a start of construction in roughly June of ’21,” Greenwald says. “What we’re trying to do is put the project on the firmest possible physics basis, so that we’re confident about how it’s going to perform, and then to provide guidance and answer questions for the engineering design as it proceeds.” >Many of the fine details are still being worked out on the machine design, covering the best ways of getting energy and fuel into the device, getting the power out, dealing with any sudden thermal or power transients, and how and where to measure key parameters in order to monitor the machine’s operation. So far, the diameter of the tokamak has been increased by about 12 percent, but little else has changed, Greenwald says. “There’s always the question of a little more of this, a little less of that, and there’s lots of things that weigh into that, engineering issues, mechanical stresses, thermal stresses, and there’s also the physics — how do you affect the performance of the machine?” >The publication of this special issue of the journal, he says, “represents a summary, a snapshot of the physics basis as it stands today.” Though members of the team have discussed many aspects of it at physics meetings, “this is our first opportunity to tell our story, get it reviewed, get the stamp of approval, and put it out into the community.” >Greenwald says there is still much to be learned, and once this machine is up and running, key information can be gained that will help pave the way to commercial, power-producing fusion devices, whose fuel — deuterium and tritium — can be made available in virtually limitless supplies. https://archive.is/b5RYO

>>2104 My personal take is that SPARC will run into more issues. Possibly with how the new superconductors might pose issues, these are brittle and act like crematics when forming iirc. Question is how long will the YBCO last when its getting blasted by radiation at that intensity? I'm not sure.

>>2105 Ceramic superconductors are fine so long as you don't move them.

F-35 eats shit after (allegedly) suffering mid-air collision with refueler. What the fuck were they doing? Looking forward to billion dollar super planes becoming one with the Earth as well. https://twitter.com/vladwlad777/status/1311349515300024321

>>2107 Ahhh the F-35 in its natural state.

>>2023 >>2108 Reminder

>>2104 >might >may >could >should Until something concrete has been produced, this is all just hypothetical speculation of no value. >>2107 It's called being stealthy. You cannot be detected by air surveillance radars if you become one with the ground.

>>2110 The only reason they would go public with this design is if glow-in-the-darks already have something better in the closet.

>>2103 The proliferation of cold fusion weapons that could produce the same yield as your standard ICBM driven H-Bomb still doesn't get around the fact that other countries wont threaten to permanently salt the earth with their plutonium made bombs. Nowadays proliferation is about how good your delivery mechanism is and not how much yield you can get over the materials needed for a reaction. Which is why the Soviets didn't bother making more Tzar Bombas and everyone has a suit case bomb.

>>2109 >worked on whether or not a plane can fly >it crashes >designed algorithms to protect GEO satellites from hostile action How much do you want to bet that the "algorithms" designed to "protect" geo satellites are nothing more than a case statement of all the conditions in which the satellite would de-orbit. Crash. >The US Air Force has built and flown a mysterious full-scale prototype of its future fighter jet https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2020/09/15/the-us-air-force-has-built-and-flown-a-mysterious-full-scale-prototype-of-its-future-fighter-jet/

>>2113 I wonder if the Air Force made this shit in secret to protect it from people like the above.

>>2113 I'm pretty sure the faggot is lying out its ass, since for one thing admitting you did that role in public (if they actually did it) is a multi-million dollar breach of contract for around 30 years after the fact.

Why is the AC-130 still kept around when everyone's wanking over muh stealth? It seems a bit out of place considering the capabilities of current day air defense systems to be employed in a symmetric military conflict.

>>2116 The AC-130 is only for use when friendly Air Superiority (or, more preferred, Air Supremacy) has already been achieved. It's not meant for Air Parity or Air Denial skies.

>>2117 Given the increasing availability of sophisticated MANPADs among sandnegro militias wouldn't it be cheaper and safer to launch a small disposable recon drone or an F-35 if you want to waste shekels to paint targets for Artillery/cruise missiles/A-10s to take down?

>>2117 This. Big parts of America's arsenal are not meant for war, they are for policing already pacified vassal states.

>>2113 >"I don’t think it’s smart thinking to build one and only one aircraft that has to be dominant for all missions in all cases all the time" I had no idea there were such intelligent people in the US military.

>>2118 No, because the AC-130 is fully capable of engaging from 20,000ft or higher and the most prevalent MANPAD families are the 9K38 Igla and FIM-92 Stingers, which have a flight ceiling of 11,000ft (purportedly 15,000ft in the newest iterations) and 12,500ft respectively. It's really only vulnerable to medium and heavy SAMs and ADA, which are a little bit bigger than what manpower can drag around, and human stupidity such as the pilots flying lower than they actually need to.

>>2121 >tfw no Flak 36 technicals in Afghanistan >tfw no airships for gunboat diplomacy I hate this timeline.

>>2085 >>2086 >>2088 I don't know anything about cold fusion, but inertial electrostatic confinement fusion is probably the best route to actually obtain a stationed fusion reaction. The Polywell design for IEC is probably what would get us to fusion power the fastest. It's one of the cheapest avenues to build and test. Costs 100s of thousands instead of 100s of millions/billions like the big toroid faculties cost (like the Tokamak). I think the goal of the Powers That Be is to push us in the LEAST likely and most costly directions for fusion. Forcing us into further debt, but also giving them the opportunity to benefit from the technology that needed to be produced (high powered plasma chambers and the like) in order to even build things like the Tokamak. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywell NO ONE is funding Polywell fusion, even though it would be the cheapest and even the most likely to give us actual fusion power.

>>2123 >Current research by the University of Sydney seems to show that the design is impractical (or impossible) in practice.

>>2124 There are many who say the opposite, if you look beyond the Wikipedia article. I only posted it as a brief overview.

>>2124 According to the people who actually worked on Polywell, they solved that problem right before the program was shut down. https://archive.fo/PAUW3#78.8%

>>2023 Get bent schlomo.

>>2044 >or F-36. Was that based on the X-36?

>>2071 Nigger are you implying that the B-2 was not a direct aerodynamic derivative of the YB-35/49?

>>2129 No, the B-2 was in fact derived from the YB-35 and YB-49; but the YB-35 design predates the Ho229's by several years. Jack Northrop tried to get Douglas to pursue a flying wing bomber design back when Douglas controlled part of Northrop Corp, submitting a proposal as early as 1933, but Douglas balked at the unconventional design and wouldn't fund it. These designs still exist. When he struck out on his own again in 1939, Northrop once again returned to the eventual YB-35 design, which the US Army officially requested in May of 1941, and Northrop officially submitted - two whole years before the Ho229 was requested. If the YB-35 is directly derived from the Ho229, why is it that the blueprints are older than the Ho229?

>>2130 And just to go farther, the 1933 proto-YB-35 design was directly derived from Northrop's Flying Wing X-216H, which first flew in 1929 - before the Horten brothers successfully built a single large glider. Jack did admit to hearing about the Horten brothers trying finless designs, which sparked his inspiration, but that was the extent of the connection.

Engineering converges much like evolution does. Stuff is built to fit a niche so there's a high chance it will look similar even if designed by two different engineers on opposite sides of the globe if they need to meet the same conditions.

>>2132 I mean, consider a icthyasaur, dolphin/whale, fish, and shark have all converges on the same design in the ocean as a comparison despite being from different families of animals and suddenly stuff looking similar begins to make a lot of sense since it has to all fulfill the same goal.

>>2133 >stuff looking similar begins to make a lot of sense since it has to all fulfill the same goal. Designers often re-use designs and also re-use modular components with slight variations.

Fusion anons, what do you think of the room-temperature superconductor? Room-Temperature Superconductivity Achieved for the First Time >Physicists in New York has discovered a material that conducts electricity with perfect efficiency at room temperature — a long-sought scientific milestone. The hydrogen, carbon and sulfur compound operates as a superconductor at up to 59 degrees Fahrenheit, the team reported today in Nature. That’s more than 50 degrees hotter than the previous high-temperature superconductivity record set last year. >“This is the first time we can really claim that room-temperature superconductivity has been found,” said Ion Errea, a condensed matter theorist at the University of the Basque Country in Spain. "It’s clearly a landmark,” said Chris Pickard, a materials scientist at the University of Cambridge. “That’s a chilly room, maybe a British Victorian cottage.” >Yet while researchers celebrate the achievement, they stress that the newfound compound — created by a team led by Ranga Dias of the University of Rochester — will never find its way into lossless power lines, frictionless high-speed trains, or any of the revolutionary technologies that could become ubiquitous if the fragile quantum effect underlying superconductivity could be maintained in truly ambient conditions. That’s because the substance superconducts at room temperature only while being crushed between a pair of diamonds to pressures roughly 75% as extreme as those found in the Earth’s core. “People have talked about room-temperature superconductivity forever,” Pickard said. “They may not have quite appreciated that when we did it, we were going to do it at such high pressures.” >Materials scientists now face the challenge of discovering a superconductor that operates not only at normal temperatures but under everyday pressures, too. Certain features of the new compound raise hopes that the right blend of atoms could someday be found. >Progress took off in the 2000s, when supercomputer simulations let theorists predict the properties of various hydrides, and the widespread use of compact diamond anvils let experimentalists squeeze the most promising candidates to test their mettle. Suddenly, hydrides started setting records. A team in Germany showed in 2015 that a metallic form of hydrogen sulfide superconducts at −94 F under 1.5 million times the pressure of the atmosphere. Four years later, the same lab used lanthanum hydride to hit −10 degrees under 1.8 million atmospheres, even as another group found evidence for superconductivity in the same compound at 8 degrees. >Dias’ lab in Rochester has now shattered those records. Guided by intuition and rough calculations, the team tested a range of hydrogen compounds searching for the goldilocks ratio of hydrogen. Add too little hydrogen, and a compound won’t superconduct as robustly as metallic hydrogen does. Add too much, and the sample will act too much like metallic hydrogen, metalizing only at pressures that will crack your diamond anvil. Over the course of their research, the team busted many dozens of $3,000 diamond pairs. “That’s the biggest problem with our research, the diamond budget,” Dias said. >The winning recipe proved to be a riff on the 2015 formula. The researchers started with hydrogen sulfide, added methane (a compound of carbon and hydrogen), and baked the concoction with a laser. “We were able to enrich the system and introduce just the right critical amount of hydrogen necessary to maintain these Cooper pairs at very high temperatures,” said Ashkan Salamat, Dias’ collaborator and a condensed matter physicist at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. >But the fine details of the hydrogen-carbon-sulfur potion they’ve cooked up elude them. Hydrogen is too small to show up in traditional probes of lattice structure, so the group doesn’t know how the atoms are arranged, or even the substance’s exact chemical formula. Eva Zurek, a computational chemist at the University at Buffalo, belongs to a group of theorists loosely affiliated with Dias’ lab. Earlier this year they predicted the conditions under which one metal that might have formed between the diamond anvils should superconduct, and they found different behavior. She suspects that high pressures instead transformed Dias’ substance into an unknown form whose superconductivity is especially robust. >Once Dias’ group can figure out exactly what they’ve got on their hands, theorists will build models exploring the features that give this H-C-S mixture its superconducting power, in hopes of further modifying the recipe. Physicists have proved most two-element hydrogen hybrids to be dead ends, but the new three-element blend marks a potentially significant advance into the world of complex chimera materials. One of the elements involved seems particularly promising to some. >“What I like about this work: They bring carbon into the system,” said Mikhail Eremets, an experimentalist at the Max Planck Institute for Chemistry lab that set the hydride records of 2015 and 2019. https://archive.is/EvV62

>>2135 Cool but useless for now. >That’s because the substance superconducts at room temperature only while being crushed between a pair of diamonds to pressures roughly 75% as extreme as those found in the Earth’s core. Hopefully it leads to better discoveries though.

>>2136 You know, one thing about that doesn't seem to add up to me. How could the localized point temperature of a substance under such tremendous pressure be 'room temperature' (supposedly ~65F) ? Unless the surrounding substrate of the material is cooled with liquid helium, it seems to me the temperature would be thousands of degrees under such pressures.

>>2137 Here's additional detail from the abstract of the paper if it might help: >One of the long-standing challenges in experimental physics is the observation of room-temperature superconductivity1,2. Recently, high-temperature conventional superconductivity in hydrogen-rich materials has been reported in several systems under high pressure3,4,5. An  important discovery leading to room-temperature superconductivity is the pressure-driven disproportionation of hydrogen sulfide (H2S) to H3S, with a confirmed transition temperature of 203 kelvin at 155 gigapascals3,6. Both H2S and CH4 readily mix with hydrogen to form guest–host structures at lower pressures7, and are of  comparable size at 4 gigapascals. By introducing methane at low pressures into the H2S + H2 precursor mixture for H3S, molecular exchange is allowed within a large assemblage of van der Waals solids that are hydrogen-rich with H2 inclusions; these guest–host structures become the building blocks of superconducting compounds at extreme conditions. Here we report superconductivity in a photochemically transformed carbonaceous sulfur hydride system, starting from elemental precursors, with a maximum superconducting transition temperature of 287.7 ± 1.2 kelvin (about 15 degrees Celsius) achieved at 267 ± 10 gigapascals. The superconducting state is observed over a broad pressure range in the diamond anvil cell, from 140 to 275 gigapascals, with a sharp upturn in transition temperature above 220 gigapascals. Superconductivity is established by the observation of zero resistance, a magnetic susceptibility of up to 190 gigapascals, and reduction of the transition temperature under an external magnetic field of up to 9 tesla, with an upper critical magnetic field of about 62 tesla according to the Ginzburg–Landau model at zero temperature. The light, quantum nature of hydrogen limits the structural and stoichiometric determination of the system by X-ray scattering techniques, but Raman spectroscopy is used to probe the chemical and structural transformations before metallization. The introduction of chemical tuning within our ternary system could enable the preservation of the properties of room-temperature superconductivity at lower pressures. https://archive.is/jfrBc

So they started playing Simpleplanes?

>BREAKING: Israel does not object to the the sale of F35 jets from the U.S. to the United Arab Emirates, PM Netanyahu & MoD Gantz say in a joint statement https://archive.is/NbDCi What the fuck was it made for?

>>2140 Any chance you could post an archive that isn't behind cuckflare anon?

>>2141 Does this work? https://web.archive.org/web/20201024213740/https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/gantz-israel-will-not-oppose-us-sale-of-f-35s-to-uae-646726 Was the F-35 a multi-billion dollar export monkey model?

>>2142 Yep, thanks I can see it fine now.

>>2142 The heebs want the UAE to take them because know the Fail35 is such a massive flying pork barrel that fielding some will actually reduce the UAE's air effectiveness. After all, they're the ones making the money from it.

>>2142 >Was the F-35 a multi-billion dollar export monkey model? Yes, they've been pretty open about that at defense industry trade shows from the start. LockMart themselves were semi-openly pushing the US DoD to fund NorGru returning to fighter production and standardizing the YF-23 as the US fighter, since they (NorGru) still have the equipment to make them — and NorGru already did the Open-Architecture software work on their systems for the YF-23 when they tried converting it to a bomber. Obviously hasn't really been an option for 10 or so years now, but people fail to realize how much LockMart's Skunkworks hates the F-35.

Has anyone ever thought to use frag grenades-turned-quadcopters as mobile boobytraps? They'd be deployed in swarms from a nearby wheeled or tracked carrier, fly into buildings with holes in them and set themselves down next to doors, dark corners, possibly decent sniping spots and/or rubble waiting for infantry that isn't carrying NFC IFF beacons. Could be especially fun if it's night and the enemy only has flashlights to check for hostiles/funny flying noises.

>>2146 Swarm quadcopters would have to have some sort of mechanism to be safely disabled if you want to take the territory back. Also, battery life. Unless you are somehow going to strap a mechanical proximity trigger to it that can canvass a room. Also, C&C is a big issue. What if the enemy jams your drone. Fail deadly or fail safe? What if they override your signal and send the drone back to you? What if you LOOSE signal? stop posting anthropomorphic moe characters please strelok! inb4 the furries crash this board.

>>2147 >Swarm quadcopters would have to have some sort of mechanism to be safely disabled if you want to take the territory back. Hence the NFC IFF beacons. >battery life These drones wouldn't be in the air for more than 15 minutes in most circumstances. >C&C is a big issue. The drones would require an encrypted I2P-tier mesh network carried primarily by tonks and larger aircraft overhead with a good deal of redundancy between its nodes so as to mitigate the effects of jamming and battlefield attrition, also some fairly decent AI so they don't have to be manually piloted every step of the way. >What if you LOOSE signal? In that case you could have the drones <autonomously land somewhere, enter proximity mine mode and wait for their signal to be reestablished or for some POW at gunpoint to show up wearing an IFF beacon and manually recover them, or self-destruct if they aren't recovered before their batteries run out <crash into anything non-friendly in sight with no survivors <self-destruct if the signal isn't reestablished within a set amount of time >What if they override your signal and send the drone back to you? You ask Congress for more money so Lockheeb can hire more Israeli cybersecurity experts or stick to deploying the drones outside of symmetric conflicts/Yemeni theatres.

Can carbon nanotubes serve as anti-fragmentation armor on rigid airship hulls?

>>2149 >that spoiler Yes, CNT alloys and composites are nearly wonder-materials and have a wide variety of uses for lightweight but durable materials, but the bigger question is why?

>>2146 >Has anyone ever thought to use frag grenades-turned-quadcopters as mobile boobytraps? How new are you? https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=XcixM7OT4eA >nano-thermite explosive drones >both confirms nano-thermite evidence at WTC, and announces the HK drone swarm future >happened before the mall ninja kinetic missile assassination >muh 2 hours This is the exact agenda of what is to come. Do you like seeing the future, anon? >>2150 Line of sight laser based communication.

>>2151 >all these geriatric orcs barely kept alive by transfusion of children's blood

>>2151 After watching it here are a few of the more interesting or memorable things: >foreign policy According to them the state secretary needs people who can think in long term strategies. One of them even said that they need a ˝long-range dialogue that doesn't change every 4 years˝. That is of course impossible, because American foreign policy is determined by the relative strength of various lobbies, but they obviously didn't say a thing about at. >nukes Nucular wepinz r bad'n'immoral! t. Reagan. Paradoxically they want to get rid of smaller nuclear weapons because they are afraid that somebody might use them even in a situation where said somebody would be afraid to go balls deep and start a total nuclear war. Either they are using some kind of a reverse logic to make sure that ICBMs will fly in the coming decades, or they are very naive. They are also afraid that North Korea will prompt other Asian countries to develop their own nukes, and they don't want that. >deglobalization They bring up the meme of 3D printing (one of them points out that addictive manufacturing is a better term, and I have to actually agree), but correctly identify automatization as being the real deal. And they conclude that it's pointless to manufacture anything in the other half of the globe if you don't need cheap labour. But then they don't say anything about where it leads, I assume it's because the US of A was drumming the beat of global trade for so long that no matter what they say, somebody will have a problem with that. >immigration WE ARE ALL IMMIGRANTS! They say that nigger hordes are going to swarm out from Apefrica, but then don't really comment on that. >climate change They bring up the idea of carbon tax, and how it's a challenge, yadda yadda. The usual panels. Still, they did mention the possibility of new viruses emerging, and this video is a few years old, so this is where we can start speaking about conspiracies. >military stuff Drones are the future, at least according to them. They even argue to deploy cheap drone swarms in Europe that can be activated by reservists when if the USSR Russians attacks. One of them nearly said Soviet Union instead of Russia, but then quickly corrected himself. Only to unironically say Soviet Union a few minutes later. They also said that the DoD should buy ˝smaller˝ and cheaper systems, not big expensive ones. Which is an excellent point, but again, they should know that the DoD is the puppet of the military-industrial complex, so it's never going to happen. >Russia According to them Russkies have a strong military but are quite weak actually, and they should have a dialogue with them. Which sounds like they want to poke the bear. They said that Russia feels threatened if NATO's influence reaches the eastern border of Ukraine, but Europe feels threatened if NATO's influence end at the western border of Ukraine. So they bring up some bullshit about how Ukraine should be a free and independent country that can choose its own destiny. Translation: they should bring Ukraine into their fold. >China A lot of words but nothing really important. China thinks of itself as the middle of the world and wants respect, but they don't necessarily equate earning respect with military conquest. Overall, it sounds like they aren't actually completely out of touch with the world, if anything they might even know more than they let us know. But if they know this much they have to see how America is too disoriented to do anything about any of these problems, because it's slowly declining.

Why do the Spanish keep crashing their Eurofighters?

>>2154 Insurance fraud?

>>2153 >Paradoxically they want to get rid of smaller nuclear weapons because they are afraid that somebody might use them even in a situation where said somebody would be afraid to go balls deep and start a total nuclear war. It's kind of silly at this point to try and prevent tactical nuclear weapons from being deployed. They WILL be used in the future. This whole business of stalling the next stage of warfare can only stall it for so long. Eventually nuclear weapons will bloom on the battlefield and take their rightful place as the new meta for tactical situations. I mean what are your enemies gonna do, kill all your civilians and invite ww3 because you cockblocked their conventional forces?

How often does stuff like picrel happen to US chair force planes these days?

>>2157 Hard to say for sure, but that window trim says 'commercial liner' to me. Anyone recognize this craft?

>>2146 search 'slaughterbots' anon.

>>2158 That was a Boeing 777 that started fucking up over Denver.

>>2160 Thanks, Strelok. I imagine the 'Oy Veys!' were heard all the way out to Peugeot Sound at the groundings that followed. This will be a financial hit to them for sure.

>>2161 When I saw the picture from that angle I thought the owner of that house are truck must be the luckiest man around, to have it land there and miss the two very expensive things surrounding it, but it turns out it didn't miss. It landed in the bed of his truck and bounced to that position, so it did cause expensive damage after all.

>>2157 From what I've read they're suspecting it was a fatigue-induced failure of the blades on one of the turbine fans. Uncontained turbine failures have a tendency to send shrapnel into the cabin and sometimes the people sitting in it; that incident could have been a lot worse.

>>2162 Yeah I suspected something like that when I noticed the perforations across the garage door. The debris (unsurprisingly) must be pretty lightweight and rigid. Otherwise shit would have been scattered everywhere. >>2163 Very true. You can see the armoring weave in the shroud suffered damage, but apparently held for the most part.

>>2029 Cheverlegs

>>2037 What's with the spoopy voice modulator?

>>2065 Because if it's remote you can just jam the signal and "kill" the pilot, not to mention it'd be bad in a stealth plane since the signal would give away it's general location. Also why are we doing full post spoilers? Does it have something to do with bots?

>>2059 >no window **I can't imagine that would be well received by pilots. Even the Mercury astronauts wanted a window and they barely had any control of that thing. How would ejector seat design cope with a windowless craft and a prone pilot anyway? **

>>2167 >Because if it's remote you can just jam the signal and "kill" the pilot Not if it's line of sight laser communication coupled with trained dog fighting algorithms for use during loss of communication.

>F-35's failure made nips start developing their own "F-X" stealth fighter >At least six internal weapon bays >Helmet with a VR-assisted HUD >To be able to deploy and control up to three drones while fighting >Radar to also work as a microwave cannon to fry enemy missiles >Expected delivery 2035 Nips will make Ace Combat real.

>>2170 That looks more like competition for the F-22 Raptor, not the Lightning II >F-35's failure 'Failure' is hardly the correct word, given it's active deployment. 'Embarrassing Boondoggle' might be a bit more appropriate.

>>2170 >>2171 So what's the current status of the F-35? Is it already in service replacing other planes? Is it actually being used by anyone other than the US?

>>2170 >comes with AI assistant hologram that gets progressively more saucy with successive white phosphorous hits on Chinese manufacturing hubs ganbatte

>>2172 >So what's the current status of the F-35? Is it already in service replacing other planes? Is it actually being used by anyone other than the US? There is too much money not to continue with the F-35. You can read what is the closest the public can get on info regarding how shit is going for it. Though right now it the F-35 is still in the IOT&E (Initial Operational Test and Evaluation), but you see it being deployed already as a deterrent since there isn't enough alternatives. But yeah, the plane still sucks ass and still has a shitload of problems.

>>2174 I read the entire dokument, thanks Strelok. >But yeah, the plane still sucks ass and still has a shitload of problems. Ehh, I'm not so sure. It's more like an example of greedy kikes kowtowing to arrogant Congressmen, then strong-arming top managers to pigeonhole middle managers to promise the stars when they couldn't even deliver the Moon. The poor grunts actually doing the work on the thing have worked wonders even trying to consolidate, and coordinate the unbelievable hodgepodge dogpile of requirements and feature-after-feature tacked on b/c muh_local_porkbelly. The fact the thing can fly at all (and is actually improving significantly during the past year at meeting it's ridiculous requirements) is some kind of testament to both the engineers creating the jet and the deployed crews fielding it. >>2172 It currently has ~600 deployed craft. The US has tentative plans for ~1700 total, not sure what the other countries plans are.

Was the AH-56 a meme?

>>2171 Well it did have great portion of its orders cancelled in favour of F-1SEX

Surely the US Army won't fall for the tiltrotor meme, right?

>>2178 They didn't go with the obviously superior layout, so what do you think?

>>2178 >Sikorsky–Boeing SB>1 Defiant What compelled them to decide they needed to be special and cool by using ">" instead of "-"? >JMR-Ultra: New ultra-sized version for vertical lift aircraft with performance similar to fixed-wing tactical transport aircraft, such as the C-130J Super Hercules and the Airbus A400M Atlas; introduction planned for 2025.[16] Oh boy I can't wait for a tiltrotor four times the size of the Osprey.

X-32 has a new fren!

>anon.cafe still can't into AV1 webms How will Lockheeb respond?

>>2182 >checkmate It's a damn shame that war is more like a cardgame where all the players are drunk and try their best to cheat. Including involving people who aren't even present at the table. Besides, I highly doubt that even the most sugoi of Sukhois could somehow decide a war. Really, I just want to see advertisements that don't trigger my 'tism.

>>2179 I didn't know helicopters could have downs.

>>2182 >How will Lockheeb respond? Build more F-35s? It isn't going to build a new fighter even if it is already obsolete for at least another decade.

>>2182 >How will Lockheeb respond? The F35 was transitioned from main fighting jet to transitional fighting jet under Trump's presidency back in 2017. It's only meant as an auxiliary piece for the USAF until their 6th gen electronic warfare jet is finished circa 2035-2040ish ("estimated delivery" is 2030). The entire F35 project was just an excuse to see which US allies would betray us (Turkey) vs which ones would step up to the plate (Japan) because America is preparing to rewrite import/export laws on military hardware for the first time since 1970 and needed a diplomatically-based jet that was good enough to sell but not good enough to fuck with trained American pilots in case trust was misplaced in our allies, and to that end it has worked spectacularly. The UK is doing the same thing with their Gen6 jet in conjunction with Sweden and I believe Italy, so it will probably be the next F35 meme plane.

Speaking of the F-35, the UK just crashed one into the Med.

>>2186 >our boondoggle was according to keikaku all along Doubt it.

>>2182 Why would they? If they even manage to build a single one, they'll crash it or keep it in a hangar after a major failure, just like the Su-57. Russia can't afford it, doesn't have the industry or workforce to build them in large numbers. They claim they can build one of those for $30 million. Total joke.

>>2189 Doesn't the Russian government currently have a tax surplus of some $600 billion US equivalency that is basically free money for the military to use (with approval)?

Do recent fighter planes still use vector CRTs to project heads up displays?

>"sixth generation" >F-35, "fifth generation" plane is a gigantic mess >"look this is all digital! allows us to make so much breakthroughs!" >Pentagon asked for actual results, we deployed "smile and nod" lol This is either crackpot blueprints with no actual framework for production (hardhats need a lot of time to get things together), an elaborate money laundering scheme using government contracts (KICKSTART A PLANE DESIGN, STRETCH GOAL MET!), a hurried effort to put something out to make US gov look competent in arms race (russia bad!) or, and I don't want to think about it, they're trying to rip off UFO alium craft designs in there.

>>2192 >or, and I don't want to think about it, they're trying to rip off UFO alium craft designs in there. Which Ayyy UFOs would those be, Strelok?

>>2192 >>2193 https://forgottenlanguages-full.forgottenlanguages.org/2017/12/axis-from-lightning-bugs-to-milorbs.html My guess? A combination of #2 and #4. Other people have already made attempts at decoding this site. Search the "Defense" category for the important stuff. They aren't tying everything up in black projects for nothing. Search for the keywords "MilOrb" and "PSV/Paradigm Shifter Vehicle" for further information. And no, before you ask, I don't care whether posting this gets me shot, though I doubt they will. If they cared they wouldn't put these documents out publicly.

Another chrome F-22 alongside news that F-22s are being used to testbed NGAD tech. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/f-22-being-used-to-test-next-generation-air-dominance-fighter-tech God I hope this is what the future looks like.

>>2195 Previous chrome F-22, for comparison

>>2194 >PSV That's the All Domain Warfare vehicle demonstrator with a fresh coat of paint, it's nothing new and 100% manmade. The development project actually dates all the way back to Kelly Johnson. The modern form, makes use of the Noble Pilot Isolation concept, aka the Coffin System, to basically eliminate any g-forces the pilot feels. Combined with elements such as extensive Carbon Nanotube construction, you have an aircraft that can essentially get away with maneuvers even drones couldn't pull off and is borderline indestructible verses modern threats. What the article fails to bring up is the ADW also was fully capable of underwater travel and switching between the domains without any issue at all. >MilOrb A split off of 'God Beam', the cousin of Project Blue Beam, also nothing new and 100% manmade. Also more commonly known as the 'Tic-Tac'. The US accidentally discovered this all the way back in the 1950's when they were experimenting with lasers and radiation theory. They are balls of plasma generated by crossing plasma/particle streams (often bounced from space), but sometimes from aircraft. These tic-tacs don't really 'exist' in the sense of a material object, but they show up to both the naked eye and radar. With a little programming can be made to appear as and act like virtually any aircraft (including missiles), giving them the ability to either serve as training dummies. or their original application - cheap, invulnerable dummy targets to clog enemy detection systems. What the article fails to mention is that by manipulating the frequency of the beams, it's actually possible to modulate the tic-tac's vibration frequencies allowing the operator of the tic-tac to 'talk' through it. Thus project blue beam was born. Overall, I give the article a 3/10, it regurgitates legitimate conspiracy from the last 40 years into a newer, novel form for a generation that hasn't already seen it. Unfortunately, they also dumb it down and add a layer of absurdity and ridiculousness so that people won't believe it because they had to make it about ayyliums. Points to them for having verisimilar practice before that waffle, though. Yes, the world is slowly unveiling its 'black projects' from the cold war, but there are no ayys and there are no lizard men inside the moon controlling everything on earth. >They aren't tying everything up in black projects for nothing. Strelok, are you familiar with the concept of 'dreadnoughting'? It's when a military completely obsoletes itself to the benefit of the enemy power by unveiling a force multiplier that shifts the entire paradigm of warfare, allowing the enemy powers to reset the game. The US, Soviets, Germans, and basically everyone else learned very well from the British on how devastating that is and all sides refuse to do so; and while the Dreadnought itself is a bad example of the 'dreadnoughting', the concept itself still is an extremely legitimate reason why most Military Industrial Complexes refuse to actually publicly push the limits of technology until someone else does it first or they are completely comfortable with the enemy having the technology. Furthermore, providing the solution before there is a problem simply isn't profitable. If the defense contractors developed the end-all-do-all weapon, they would be out of business within three to five years. - it's the same reason why the cure for cancer isn't released.

>>2197 >makes use of the Noble Pilot Isolation concept, aka the Coffin System, to basically eliminate any g-forces the pilot feels So like the plug system in Evangelion then?

>>2197 Is this a shitpost? I honestly ask because I can find nothing on any of that just by searching keywords, the blue beam shit all lead me to abovetopsecret which is a psyop.

>>2199 It wasn't exactly a shitpost, but it wasn't literal either, it was mostly meant as a tongue-in-cheek rhetorical argument. So it kind of was a shitpost. The point of the post was that the article linked was regurgitating old conspiracy, psyops or not, and I didn't give it any credence - especially when it started about ayyliums. That being said, it wasn't like the entire thing had no base in reality - or at least in conspiracy. Although, first off, the concept of 'dreadnoughting' actually is 100% a real industrial concern for any developmental industry, although it goes by many names even in the defense and military industries - I believe I've also heard it referred to as the more generic Auto-Obsolescence Theory. The logic presented in the previous post is sufficient explanation of it, in short nobody can afford to obsolete themselves and only madmen (read: anyone trying to create the perfect AI) would be willing to try. >I can find nothing on any of that just by searching keywords That would be because, as with pretty much any conspiracy theory, they all go by a million different names; with the exceptions of the ones that get really popular such as Blue Beam, HARP, and the Aurora Project, but even those had other names before they were popularized. I'll just go over the ones I presented because I'm bored. Of course, as with any conspiracy theory involving technology, all of these hedge on the (quite popular) belief that anything that the public has or knows about, the black projects are 20-50 years ahead of. Itself not exactly an inherently unbelievable position, due largely to the fact that the masses simply don't care about what actually is the bleeding edge of development moreso than any conspiracy to hide theoretical scientific developments. >Noble Pilot Isolation/Coffin System concept In short, the 'Noble Pilot Isolation' concept is using a inertial mass reduction system that utilizes the resonance of microwaves reacting with certain noble gases inside a charged chamber to create a thin vacuum around the shell, essentially isolating it and everything contained within (the pilot) from any and all external forces (including G-forces). Conspiracy holds that this system was conceptualized by Johnson and co. in the mid-to-late 50s, but as the pilot was completely isolated from the outside world by solid material it was deemed entirely useless. The conspiracy claims that Bill Rich and his team later managed to make it work by creating the 'Coffin System', which was a network of cameras, displays, and computers to provide the pilot with a near complete picture of everything going on around him, a HUD, and basically the entire information stream; and, of course, the conspiracy claims that the later information systems of the F-22 and F-35 are all stemmed from this. This conspiracy as the 'Coffin System' would make a pop-culture appearance as an actual thing in the Ace Combat series, but mostly for its information/data processing capabilities. >All Domain Warfare vehicle demonstrator While there's no actual proof that said ever vehicle existed, especially back when the conspiracy originates, the US Navy actually did file a patent for something that basically is it in 2016 (US10144532B2, if you're wondering). Incidentally, this puts public theory to the Noble Pilot Isolation concept, but on a larger scale (the entire craft) and for greater effect (gravitonic propulsion systems, for example). It's also worth pointing out that many conspiracy theorists explain the appearance of the 'Tic-Tac' UFOs that the US Navy and Air Force complain about with production versions of this vehicle. >MilOrb/Tic-Tac Both of these names are simply refined applications of the God Beam conspiracy, unless the conspiracy you're following holds that the Tic-Tac UFOs are actually ADW Vehicles. >God Beam Honestly, this one isn't really far out there as far as conspiracy theories go, since it never claimed to be anything insidious. Which is probably why it isn't a popular conspiracy. It simply holds that three things are true: Firstly: 1) crossing certain forms of radiation beams will generate noise at the location of the beams crossing 2) by modulating the frequency and strength of the radiation it is possible to control the resulting noise 3) it is able to be refined enough to use as a remote speaker All three points have been found to be true, although you'd practically have to be buried in a technical institute to know that since the development is conventionally useless - concealed speakers are infinitely simpler to set up. Secondly: 1) crossing certain forms of radiation beams will generate visible plasma at the location of the beams crossing 2) by modulating the frequency and strength of the radiation it is possible to control appearance of the resulting plasma 3) it is able to be refined enough to produce a sufficient three-dimensional image made of this plasma Again, all three points have been proven true. Look up the recent developments in Three Dimensional Volumetric Displays. and Lastly: 1) the US, be it the military or some spook organization, attempted to combine and weaponize these systems in order to create 'ghost' aircraft to serve as decoys, training targets, and harassment systems, as well as to be used as near-perfect optical camouflage systems for secret bases, ships, vehicles, and the like. If you believe in the 20-50 year technological delay, this isn't exactly an outlandish conspiracy theory. It's actually relatively grounded. Blue Beam took it several thousand steps farther into the realm of absurdity, however. >Project Blue Beam Project Blue Beam is, or at least was, a very well known conspiracy theory believed to have been created by Serge Monast.

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It likely the most well known conspiracy theories in the entire world, almost rivaling that of Area 51 being an alien research facility, even wikipedia has a page on it. It's actually more well known than the HAARP conspiracy. In essence, Monast took God Beam and the New World Order, the wet dream of the globalist elites, and took them both to their logical conclusion: using thousands of God Beam systems in satellites they would basically create a god ad-nihilo which, combined with space-based weaponry systems to act as their bespoke god's 'fury', they would use to create a one-world-religion where membership was mandatory and the elites would basically be the clergy. A daft conspiracy, but not entirely unbelievable on the technological scale. The only things it requires are God Beam to work, since the plasma generated by the imagery side would be sufficient to publicly 'smite a few heretics'. Of course, it would also require there to actually be a cohesive global elite that could actually agree on enough to do anything of such a scale, which is where the entire thing falls apart.

>>2200 >utilizes the resonance of microwaves reacting with certain noble gases inside a charged chamber to create a thin vacuum around the shell, essentially isolating it and everything contained within (the pilot) from any and all external forces (including G-forces). How does a vacuum around the cockpit completely negate all inertia and gravity? >the conspiracy claims that the later information systems of the F-22 and F-35 are all stemmed from this. That's probably a meme, the F-35's touchscreen cockpit UI is retarded and the F-22's cockpit isn't particularly more or less advanced compared to that of 4++ gen fighters like the Eurokiker, Rafale, Gri

>>2201 >How does a vacuum around the cockpit completely negate all inertia and gravity? I honestly have no real idea, but that is what the official papers (such as patents) suggest. >That's probably a meme Of course it's a meme, it's a conspiracy theory. That being said, I'm pretty sure they were referring to the fancy helmet mounted display that was supposed to give the pilot 360 degree awareness.

>>2197 >there are no ayys and there are no lizard men inside the moon controlling everything on earth. Sounds like what a lizard man would say, we already know from both the chinamen and the americans that the moon is probably hollow or has giant empty pockets inside after 3 experiments, plus the maths behind the geometry and the odds of those appearing on our moon are a very, very small probability. Still i can believe most of what people have seen in the skies is manmade.

>>2104 Isn't this the one that uses a huge amount of the extremely limited tritium supply? <once this machine is up and running, key information can be gained that will help pave the way to commercial, power-producing fusion devices, whose fuel — deuterium and tritium — can be made available in virtually limitless supplies. That's a fat lel. This is the project with the 'uh, we'll just stick some shields there and maybe we'll be able to harvest tritium from that?' side goal. I thought they'd already built this and it did produce energy like every other tabletop fusion reactor a highschooler made at home.

>>2021 > why the F-35 was so unexplainably *expensive* Not at all. This looked like classic Pentagon Pricing. Except more cheeky (what's with promises to do everything at once), so with even more grift on every stage. >>2026 > This is where the "space force" funding was originally going The Space Force thing looked more like an attempt to reboot NASA with personnel that isn't thoroughly pozzed, that could perhaps do something more productive than "Wahmen In Tech!!1" self-celebrations at workplace. >>2032 Ah, but this would require sanity... >>2035 Or, grift intensifies. Sounds about right.

I'd rather this not get slid.

So, beside Lockheed Martin and Boeing price:quality rates going over the edge even by Pentagon standards, do they consider “muh stealth” thing mostly obsolete? Because that was what killed “10 or more companies” era, IIRC.

Is the Su-75 fine from a production standpoint? With globohomo sanctions on plane parts I wonder if the MiG-29 and Su-27 series might still be in service by the early 22nd century.

>>2208 The issue with modern stealth is that it relies on finding one or two loopholes to existing tech instead of trying to be stealthy in a novel way. It's why rebels keep beating anti-stealth systems with cheap solutions all over the globe while calibrated machines struggle to compete since they cost a lot due to being complex and expensive because of that. Countries would be better off producing mass cannon-fodder planes flown by rednecks and not giving a shit about stealth.

>>2209 I think the Ukrainian war answers the first question and proves the second supposition.