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What are you currently reading? Scribe 08/01/2021 (Sun) 02:26:58 No. 276
Or what have you recently read? Talk about it ITT.
>>390 Heh yeah original fleming Bond is a bit different. Personally I think he's more likeable. If you want serious spy stuff len deighton and jean le carre are very good, thought far less pulpy.
Any recommendations for more "modern" pulp series? How's the Jack Reacher series, I've been watching the recent show and I'm actually kind of interested in those now.
>>392 The Reacher series ain't bad, the first book is the slowest but it picks up from there. Other than that I'm trying to think of more modern pulps. Connelly does some detective stuff that ain't terrible. Short stories from w40k usually feature unknown writers. Give people a chance to get started writing it seems. Some are good. More scifi pulp though. Let me think on it.
>>393 Thank you.
>>393 Also, what about older pulps? I've been reading through Mack Bolan: The Executioner and so far every book's been better than the last in my opinion. As much as I love the punisher it's really good seeing more subtle subterfuge like the entirety of the third book and Bolan's unshakable idea of good and evil being mixed with him going "fuck it I'm going to die anyways might as well have fun along the way when I can"
>>395 Older pulps are good. Sorry for the delay. I immediately look up these Mack Bolan books. So fucking good. That's all I got. Great recommendation.
>Finally finished Lacey's Ford: The Men and the Machine >Gave me a general idea of the Ford story up to the mid-80's <However the actual book was a waste of time <Very unfocussed in the story it wanted to tell <Author was very opinionated in his portrayal of every person mentioned <Random details appear out of nowhere that do no relate to the subject at hand Well, there goes a month of my life that I'll never get back. Think I won't be reading anything that isn't far above 200 pages for a while.
>>421 Damn that's unfortunate. It sucks when an agenda derails a book.
Anyone got recommendations for any decent sword and sorcery? I quite liked Son of the Black Sword and its sequels, am considering Solomon Kane next.
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Currently reading Infinite Jest. Been chipping away at it for a few months. I still think that the reason anons (and women,..) enjoy it is because of the stockholm syndrome they get (or some form of sunken-cost fallacy) for how dense it is. Couple of neat bits, and the writing style has potential (even if DFW is a pseud when it comes to formal English). >>522 Gene Wolfe's Knight and Wizard. It's somewhat subtle in its sorcery, but makes up for it with interesting fae and gnarly political giants. Like most of Wolfe, the dialogue is sparse, yet dense. You feel like you age 2 years just reading it.
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Just finished off The Book of Three. It's essentially a children's book, but boy did it come off as refreshing just to read a simple light-hearted fantasy novel. Curious if the rest of the Prydain books ramp it up as they progress.
>>528 Interesting. I like the cover.
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The Widow's Son. It's this alternate universe wild west where there's tech on the level of batons powered by backpack carried hand cranked faraday cages, mecha and there are supernatural elements like monsters. The main character, Two Crows, is a federal marshal in the occult research division which is a fancy way of saying Abe Lincoln made his own monster hunter division. It's neat but there are a few eyebrow raising aspects about it. Mostly the "representation" aspect. The female lead, the titular Widow, starts off somewhat tomboyish and driven because her son was kidnapped by an occult witch. She slightly devolves into a marvel quipster with shit like "See, this me fretting!" and more or less slutting it up because she was unhappy in her marriage(it also turned out her kidnapped son was a result of an affair with a literal indian/native god of fertility, but he may or may not have put a spell on her for that) with the main character. There's also a 'reasonable' all-negro mechanized infantry that go on with "woe is we, we fight for the country but piypo are rayciss against us" Besides that I suppose it's minor enough that it's not much of an issue. It's so far a fun read.
>>533 Sounds fascinating. Some pozz which sucks but sounds mostly ignorable. Will grab. Thanks anon.
I recently read the Hannibal Lecter novels. Each is worse than the last, and that goes for Silence of the Lambs, which gets much more praise than it deserves. Don't get me wrong, I like it a lot, and I even like Hannibal, but Red Dragon is much better than both of them. The interesting part of the whole series is getting into the minds of these characters, and none of the sequels do that as well as Red Dragon. Dolarhyde is by far the most interesting character in the series, including Lecter, and Graham is a far more interesting character than Starling. Graham's gimmick is that he has the mind of a serial killer but tries to use it for good, despite it being dangerous for him both physically and psychologically. Starling's gimmick is that she's a young girl, and the novel goes out of its way to reassure you that she is never in any danger anyway. Red Dragon has a cool thing where almost half the novel is from the killer's point of view, and his story is mirrored with Graham's. Silence of the Lambs, by contrast, feels like its killer is just a throwaway MacGuffin. Buffalo Bill is a very memorable character thanks to an excellent performance in the film adaptation, but there really isn't that much to him, especially compared to Dolarhyde. Lecter is a compelling character in all the novels, even without Hopkins' famous portrayal, but obviously making him so important in the third one was not the most artistic move. And I don't think Harris thought it was either. But they demanded a sequel from him, and they surely demanded more Lecter, so he did the best with what was demanded of him, and it still ends up being a good novel. It actually makes Starling a much more interesting character, as she now actually has some inner conflict, and her arc is more than just trying to prove herself against a society that is vaguely implied to be sexist despite her boss being super nice and doing everything he can to help her (especially compared to how he treated Graham. And yes, you can consider this to be character development for Crawford, but it still deals a blow to the idea that Starling is fighting sexism, which is basically the closest thing she has to a central conflict in the story). But in Hannibal, Starling is actually pulled in multiple directions and thus feels like an actual character with some depth and intrigue, instead of just a designated protagonist that is purely good and right. She still isn't as interesting as Graham, but it's something. And I'll give Harris credit for doing an ending that pissed off the retards that liked Silence of the Lambs for the wrong reasons (feminism), including Jodie Foster. He tried to add at least a bit of artistry to what was obviously a work for hire, even if the movie version that the novel was clearly written to support went and changed (ruined) it anyway. Without giving it away, I can't imagine how anyone could read the novel and then watch the movie and not see that the movie destroys all the themes and character arcs from the whole thing. And it's not like it wasn't already still feminist in the novel. But it's never enough for them, because it tried to be feminist while still actually making the female protagonist have some depth, and we can't have that, because depth implies she isn't perfect. Also, Mason Verger is a far more interesting character than Buffalo Bill. Neither of them are nuanced characters that are so compelling they almost feel like the protagonist, like Dolarhyde does, but if you're gonna have black and white villains, then fine, go with Mason Verger's cartoonish supervillainy. And yes, it was clearly only done so they could make Lecter seem like less of a villain by contrast, but I'll take it. This is also the novel where Hannibal basically starts becoming Wolverine, so whatever. The premise of seriousness is out the window, but it's an entertaining book. Previously Lecter was very smart and observant, and the closest he gets to a superpower is a very fine sense of smell (even though he insists he can't smell Starling's cunt, so evidently Multiple Miggs had a better version of that superpower), but even that feels like it's just a guy who is very bored and locked away for a long time finding it very easy to notice the few minute changes to his environment. Here we're suddenly told he has an extra finger, just to make him different, but also his senses now seemingly work well enough that he can identify people by smell from the other side of a large outdoor crowd. Whatever. Fuck it. It's not the same appeal the first two novels had, but it's still fun. Obviously Hannibal Rising is shit. Thomas Harris was forced to write it because the movie studio said they'd do it with or without him. Again, he did his best to salvage a bad idea. The series was already cartoony by this point, so now Hannibal is basically a ninja, and the tragic backstory alluded to in the previous one is fleshed out to the degree that it now comes across as cliche and ridiculous, but if you're gonna do a prequel about his childhood, this is what the previous novel set up. Well, not the ninja part, but whatever. I've read worse novels. This isn't painful to read or anything. It's just really dumb. But if you've read the other three and you don't mind an incredibly mindless revenge story, then here you go. While I'm here being autistic, I'll go on a little more about the movies. Manhunter is the first adaptation of Red Dragon, and I've heard people say it's unfairly overlooked because of its lack of Anthony Hopkins as Lecter. And to be clear, it is a good movie, and Brian Cox's portrayal of Lector (for some reason with an alternate spelling) is perhaps more faithful to the novel. Part of being more faithful is that it's more minor, but Cox does a good job, as does everyone else in the movie. It's directed by Michael Mann, of Miami Vice, and his visual style is very interesting in anything. It works well here as well. Where I feel the movie suffers is that in trying to condense things, most of Dolarhyde's material is cut or rushed through, and he never really gets the chance to be as compelling as he is in the novel or the later adaptation. The 2002 version of Red Dragon is by Brett Ratner, and he isn't exactly known for psychological thrillers, but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that Ratner actually did it better than Michael Mann here. But a large part of that is just because he managed to keep more of Dolarhyde's story. Visually he doesn't hold a candle to Mann, but I never needed Red Dragon to look like Miami Vice, even if I do like how Manhunter looks. Of course Ratner's Red Dragon has a bunch of additional Lecter stuff, with Anthony Hopkins, to capitalize on Silence of the Lambs, but that isn't why I like this version better. I do like Hopkins' scenes, even the ones that are original to the movie. It is a great performance. But the story doesn't need them, and Cox does just fine. It's Ralph Fiennes' Dolarhyde that makes the film better. He has more to work with, since he has more screentime, but also the character is both written and portrayed with much more humanity, much more accurately to the novel. William Petersen and Ed Norton both do a good job as Graham, but Petersen might do a better job at showing that Graham is actually psychologically suffering as he tries to put himself in the mind of a killer, while Norton just sort of portrays it as a superpower that an otherwise plain protagonist has. So I guess Petersen does a better job portraying the protagonist, and Mann has a better director's eye, but these things aren't enough to tip the scales in Manhunter's favor for me.
>>536 The film of Silence of the Lambs is fine. Overrated as hell, but fine. Hopkins is excellent, as is Ted Levine as Buffalo Bill. Jodie Foster as Clarice is nothing special, but I don't know if I can even blame her since the character is nothing terribly special in this. She does a good job with what she's given, which isn't much. But then she quit the sequel apparently because she didn't like how it actually made her character interesting. So I guess I can blame Foster after all. The film of Hannibal has a ruined ending but Hopkins continues to give a compelling performance, and Gary Oldman does an excellent job as Mason Verger. Ray Liotta is also very memorable in his role, though part of that is due to one particular scene, and almost anyone would have been memorable in it. You know the one. Julianne Moore is fine as Starling. The ending being changed means she has a lot less to work with than she could have had, so she ends up being boring and forgettable, but that's the character in the script. It's fine. Like the novel, it's a dumb sequel that didn't need to happen, and ruining the ending doesn't help at all, but it's carried by some great performances, not unlike the film of The Silence of the Lambs. So if you like one you might as well like the other. The film of Hannibal Rising is as shit as you would expect of a film based on that novel. Watchable, sure, but it doesn't exactly give you any reason to watch. I also watched the TV show of Hannibal, and it's goddamn ridiculous. It also switches premises several times, but for some reason I kept watching. Mads Mikkelsen does a good job as Lecter, enough that you forget about Hopkins, and that's saying something. I like that the series focuses on Graham, who is the only interesting protagonist in the series. The first season is crime of the week where Graham looks to Hannibal for advice on different murders, while there is one serial killer on the loose who they can't catch, and we know he's Hannibal but nobody else does. Fine. This is a perfectly reasonable premise for a tv series, and aside from some minor tweaks (like the numbers of murders Graham actually solved in his backstory), this is pretty much the backstory of Red Dragon. There are some clever episodes, or maybe they're dumb depending on how you look at it, but for example, there is one killer who is a doctor and acts very much like Hopkins' portrayal of Lector. So the show gets to have its cake and eat it too, as it does an episode that's a bit more like what people might expect, while also doing a bit of commentary on how that would be stupid, and simultaneously making this show's version of Lector look cooler. Also, I'll point out here that two characters from the novel are switched from male to female. One is so Graham's coworker can now be a love interest. Stupid, since they could have just used Graham's wife from the novel, but instead she just suddenly shows up after a timeskip much later on. The other is Freddy Lounds, the sleazy reporter. Honestly, being female kind of works for that character, so while I hated it at first, I got used to it. A modern sleazy reporter would make more sense being female. She would get away with more bullshit. Season 2, shit goes off the rails, and is the whole reason I am even bothering to talk about the show. Hannibal frames Graham for his crimes, after fucking with his head to the point that even Graham isn't sure if he really did it or not, and basically they switch their traditional roles, so now Graham is the smart serial killer they visit in jail for advice. But now the series is really about Lecter and Graham pulling mind games on each other, while also having an absurd amount of homoerotic chemistry. And while that's typical of modern tv, here it made me think that it wasn't just modern gay tv writers. Honestly, it ends up feeling like the writers ran out of ideas for a Red Dragon prequel, and just started doing a live action Death Note. Because that's what it ends up feeling like. It feels like it's gay because Death Note feels gay, and they're just ripping off Death Note hardcore. But it just gets more gay from there. Because see what happened IRL is these people had the rights to Red Dragon, Hannibal, and Hannibal Rising, but not Silence of the Lambs, so they tried to adapt Hannibal without adapting Silence of the Lambs or any elements from it. And that includes Starling. So they tried to do the plot of Hannibal (while also mashing in elements from Hannibal Rising into it), where Hannibal and the protagonist, Starling, have essentially a romance happening, only they didn't have the rights to Starling, so they swapped her out for Graham, so now they're quite explicit that Hannibal and Graham are gay. But it's not like they're full on fucking, it's more psychological than that, as it is in Hannibal. It's stupid, but it doesn't come across as gay for the sake of being SJW. It comes across as gay for the sake of liking Death Note and trying to do a story with a female protagonist but they had to swap her for a male protagonist. And also the show builds up to how these guys are psychologically messing with each other so much that by the time they just admit it's gay, it's like "yeah, that makes sense." What doesn't make sense is that after all of this, they do a pretty straightforward adaptation of Red Dragon. And it's fine. Not as good as either movie version, though. Meanwhile some other people had the rights to Silence of the Lambs, so they made a show called Clarice. But they don't have the rights to Red Dragon, Hannibal, or Hannibal Rising, so they can't even mention Hannibal Lector, Jack Crawford, or any other elements that originated with any of those novels. This is even dumber than trying to adapt Hannibal without being able to use Starling. Also the trailer made it clear the whole point of the show was just more feminism, how Clarice is so great because she is a woman. I don't have time for that. I'll sit through three seasons of Hannibal being super duper gay, but this is too much even for me. And I got pretty autistic for this franchise recently. tl;dr: Red Dragon is a very underrated novel and has two very underrated movies. Silence of the Lambs is overrated but fine. Hannibal is stupid but at least Harris tried a little. Hannibal Rising is fucking retarded but readable and watchable. The Hannibal TV series seems like it's generic at first but actually it's fucking pants-on-head retarded, but retarded enough to keep me watching through the whole thing. And there's a Clarice tv series from the last couple years, but fuck that. >>378 The tone of your description of the ending seems to imply that you missed the point entirely. Also, it's a must read purely because of how SJWs don't want you to read it and realize they've been using it and Brave New World as an instruction manual.
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Finished off The Hustler, and it was a great short novel to read. The short of it is that it's about a pool hustler that comes running into Chicago, thinking he's the greatest thing since sliced bread,, absolutely humiliates himself playing against the "best" player in the country, and spends the rest of the novel wrestling with his emotions over why he's in Chicago in the first place. With the overall theme of the novel boiling down to the statement that there's a stark difference between people who think they're the best and the people who actually win. It's an absolutely great read. As for the movie adaptions, and the sequel(s), I haven't read nor watched them, but I hear those are excellent as well.
>>537 I remembered liking red dragon and more or less forgetting all the other books. didnt see the movies past the first one and red dragon which while good was not as good as the novel. The tv series sounds batshit insane. Might have to watch a bit of that.
Just finished off the first Battletech novel, Decision At Thunder Rift. I found it to be a very fun read. In regards to the plot, it's about a simple revenge story where Grayson Death Carlyle has his entirely family wiped out in front of his eyes, and is left for dead and stranded on a backwoods planet that in the middle of a political power struggle. Much of the novel is more about urban guerilla tactics against Battlemechs. And, I did very much like it. The only real complaints I have against the book is that it seems like my edition (Pictured) could have used some more editing regarding a lot of the typos. But, aside from that, I really makes me want to get more immersed into the BattleTech universe.
Recently re-read Flowers for Algernon after lending it to a friend. She got to the last chapter or two and didn't want to finish it since she felt too bad for the main character. It is a very sad book but that's sort of why I enjoy it, the story embodies that feeling of knowing something very bad is going to happen to you and there's not really anything you can do about it.
>>591 Oh man the ending is the best part. She missed like the whole reason for the book kinda. And yeah its a good book for sure.
>>591 >_>....<_<...... Coast is clear.
The King James Bible. I am on the book of Kings now. Atheism was not good for me personally. I am also reading Anna Karenina. I'm one of those people who read multiple books at one time. Tolsoy is supposed to be the best writer of female personalities ever, and he has not dissappointed. Women are depicted in all of their repulsive duplicity. Anna in particular is a thoroughly modern woman and Tolstoy bring to bear his realism on her with a grim, remoseless effect. Libs read this book as an argument for or glorification of adultry when in fact it is inteded to be the exact opposite. Levin and Kitty marry, have kids, and move to the country. The city slickers, urbanites, and liberals all drown in despair just like today.
>>607 Two very good books anon, and yeah atheism is morally destructive as I too had discovered many years ago. And Tolstoy fucking nails modern woman with a hammer.
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House: The Only Way Out is In I put it down mid-way after it went to the villain's POV and had him acting extremely edgy. He sees himself as god and calls himself evil, and talks about wanting the main characters to suffer and die. It was already cheesy and a little groanworthy before that Also >MC is a novelist >main bad guy thinks he's god >one of the other characters goes off on everyone else at gunpoint and calls them filthy atheists Some fucking city slicker wrote this. >Confessions by Kanae Minato Has the MC, a Japanese middle school teacher, tell her pupils about a tranny character that got framed and made to look like a pervert that fucks their own students or something. Dropped instantly, steps on a very politically sensitive nerve.
>>634 >framed Lol, lmao. You know that tranny was raping kids.
Finished off Henry Kuttner's Valley of the Flame. It serves as an interesting case because the novel was written during the 1940's, but is based in the middle of the Amazon during the 1980's, with there being almost zero mention or presence of any future tech. The actual story is that American doctor, Brian Raft, is doing medical service work in the Brazil when a co-worker of his, Dan Craddock is kidnapped by one of the natives. Brian pursues after them, and stumbles upon an underground and secluded world populated almost entirely by highly-evolved cat people. It's a very quick read, and I very much enjoyed it. A nice simple adventure novel where the protagonist steadily concludes that a cat is fine, too.
>>652 Degenerated underground cave dwellers only want my seed
Started reading American Gods, I knew it was going to be Jewish liberal atheist poz but I wasn't expecting sexual degeneracy to the extent of unbirthing vaginal vore by chapter 1.
>>654 Yeah it doesnt get much better as the book goes on. I liked Neverwhere better personally.
>>654 >>655 I thought Neil Gayman was alright back in high school but his stuff is so unbearably heavy-handed it's impossible to read and just enjoy as a story.
>>662 You aren't wrong sadly. Mostly these days I just read 40k pulp shit. Good books are hard to find.
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lots of reading material here . . RIGHT WING BASICS http://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1pi20Rr9_BxBbMIfcZUTTGslfZTifEiCm google drive easy to use interface download the whole blob or pick and choose . . INFOBLOB MEGA PACK http://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13gNcyzC7QvfTbXcVSqorj1pZmFb-csP6 google drive easy to use interface
once again reading the Fuzzy Papers my favourite SF stories, they have a little futurologist poz but mostly it's just really comfy author was a goodlad too not one of the commie pinkos en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._Beam_Piper My favourite fantasy book is the Redemption of Althalus which is also really comfy and I recommend it. no deep themes really just a lad and his waifu and found family I've an enormous collection of SF, fantasy, swords and sorcery, horror etc and have been thinking about doing some readings of short stories recently, in the same manner as /his/' old historical blunders thread
Have gone through a few books over the past year, haven't really kept track because the pat several months have just felt completely weird for me. Currently reading George Hull's Bonsai for Americans for the purposes of helping me with growing the bonsai I was gifted back on Christmas. Also as an aside, something that I've noticed is that it is a lot "easier" and engaging to read books published around the 60's. Best way I can describe it is that it feels like the author isn't treating the reader like an idiot, he isn't trying to be the readers friend, and it doesn't come across with him trying to bullshit anything. Anyone else notice stuff like this?


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