A very merry crimmy to us all

>>9785 >Nondescript Winter Holiday Edition Not Christmas!? What is this, some sort of... conspiracy We need a happy merchant version of Salem or Jacques Schnee

>>9773 I now wish I had looked through these links. Or included at least the first pic of these in the OP. I may have been overeager. >>9787 Likewise, fren! Due reposting of the word of Board Owner and Stream Head Rusty; SUNDAY STREAMING! <Continuation of Volume 4! <Time it takes place is 9AM by US Eastern Seaboard. <Will restream after it's done! >We'll be continuing from Episode 7 to Episode 12, and some other stuff added on. Spread the news!

>>9788 It's never an active conspiracy with them. Have you ever seen someone try to get a bunch of Jews to co-operate? Just the notion that they HAVE to do something will get them kvetching and whining. No, with their kind it's natural instinct.

Holiday Season Thread is AGO! >>9790 >Have you ever seen someone try to get a bunch of Jews to co-operate? I mean they tend to cooperate on their own, within tight-knit communities, hence being so successful in... a lot of things. Why break your back when others do it for you? Is that new Jacques pic or an older edit. I seem to recall something like it back in the V7 rwbyg days. >>9788 KEK >>9789 No worries, still pretty good bread.

Last episode, on Remnant Survivor Island..! >Robyn tried her best to be helpful, but was still voted off. Some people just don't know how others see and hear what they do and say. >May tried to ignore the situation, to the detriment of the whole team during the first exercise. It was a quick vote off the island. >Weiss's curiousity led her to trying to diplomatize and empathize with the other side. But she was turned on by her whole team, who piled on to vote her away before she could accomplish anything. >Joanna followed her team-mate and team leader, after trying to spread her beliefs and finding no traction with the rest! Deliberately staying idle in the next day's exercises, to be voted off by the other survivors. >Neo was solitary from the start, hindered a lot by her inability to speak and the others' lack of knowing sign language. She missed out on too many meetings - and one task requiring communication left her lacking. She was voted off the island. >Coco was brought to face her fear on the next day, leading to a very poor showing of her skills in the exercise. With no ability to mend her clothing, her panic attack at the time when she was badly needed led to the rest of the team voting her off the island. >Penny hit a glitch on the same day. Both hostility and socialization protocols were zapped to the maximum setting, and the vote stood to get her away. >The next day, the majority of the ribbons needed to complete the day's task landed in Fiona's territory. She quickly gathered them all - and tried to get others to trade food and resources for them. This led to Fiona being voted off the island! >Blake couldn't hold her tension any longer. Her accusation that Emerald, Cinder and Salem were manipulating them all led to a breakdown of trust. Despite her mother Kali and her teacher Sienna attempting to get her thinking sense again, she did not reciprocate. With them no longer standing up for her, Blake didn't have enough support to avoid being voted off the island. >Ilia was ready to fight after this, and wouldn't listen to sense from anybody. Particularly when Harriet and Tock kept on needling her over her preferences. This and her acknowledgement that starting the fight would break the rules led to Ilia being voted off the island. >Pyrrha wanted to make a deal with the other team. It was about something our studio and producers had no context for - but whatever it was, the entire rest of her team jumped to pile on her, and vote her off the island. Round Eight begins today. Please submit your choice for eliminations!

Bnuuy! >>9772 Will do! >>9792 Voting salem

>>9793 12,8 makes for Salem came forward, willing to chat and hang out. This brought the rest of them to vote her off the island. It would seem that being made of Grimm sets off people's danger senses.

>>9794 She never realized it was Cinder's nefarious plan all along. Voting for Yang because of aggressive tendencies.

>>9795 Deuces. Like snake eyes, but the lowest you can get with 2d6 is by definition 2. Everyone thought Ilia had lost composure, that was nothing to Yang. She was up in people's faces while yelling about how she'll fight to the death. Apparently Ruby wasn't the only one who went through trauma in the Ever After, or so some people can only reason. It has been a total of two days of separation from Blake. For everyone's safety, she is voted off the island.

>>9774 >TF2 ma n-word I didn't even notice that they were AI. Not mine. >>9796 Remove the Rube

Fuck yeah, Christmas thread.

>>9798 Reckon Sun's sad she didn't get further in the show, or glad she's back from the island? >>9797 >Wooby rolls 3,5 It's a betrayal! Ruby was willing to fight after yesterday's outburst and fast voting-out of Yang, but still willing to listen which means someone must have talked her down. Only for her to be voted out anyway after the exercises of the day.

>>9800 >>9797 >Dubs >Rube removal Noooooo, the betrayal!

>>9797 Pretty nice, if a little less thick on the bottom than they should be

>>9797 Looks really good, that blake will be a fine addition to my collection

>>9803 Okay General

>>9800 Go ahead and delet Bnuuy

>>9805 And so I shall. >roll 4,7 Velvet is willing to talk. Maybe too willing, because she ended up being voted off the island. It's so uncharacteristic, though. I had heard her shyness with strangers is shoved to the side when the going gets tough. Maybe this was not the day we were waiting for.

>>9806 Surprised no one Voted for Cinder yet, might as well be the first

>>9806 REMOVE the fighterjet

>>9806 Remove Harriet

>>9809 Now what was a fighter jet aircraft doing on the island? lol (did you mean Harriet?) >>9808 >>9810 Aaand they're gone. >Cinder rolled 7,7 >Harriet rolled 5,10 I will take the two requests to be Harriet swoocing right in through the fourth wall to demand a reroll. I wish I thought up of doing this for the two Robyn requests last thread. >Harriet watches the dice land on 5,4 >Cinder chortles. Really. Today, Fall's idle curiousity led her to sabotage people, and Emerald wasn't enough to halt the other women voting Cinder off the island. Before Cinder's curious sabotage, Harriet was at the point where she needed just one favour to win the day for the team, but she got brought down to being ready to fight about it. I can only assume she liked being ordered firmly to stand down. Still, being sabotaged in the day's activity by someone playing foul is one thing, but demanding that everyone else on the team pick up the slack to cover your own lost ground is a bridge too far. Considering what a massive softie Harriet is- >yes, Harriet, you are. It's how you act. It's how you speak. You're just like that, you know? >What do you mean, I should write otherwise? I don't rewire eyeballs or grey matter, let alone my own. >Now stop your pouting and go back to your planet before you fuck up the Speed Force. That kind of behaviour was a bolt from the blue. They are gone! I wonder who's next...

>>9811 >did you mean Harriet Yes. I had momentary retardation and thought the Hawker Harrier was called Harriet.

>>9812 All good And it is funnier to imagine the whole cast gawking at a fighter that was just... there, on the island, since day one. It sure would make for a great conversation piece in the gameshow's background.

>>9808 First the Rube now Cinder. You monsters. >>9813 It was removed because someone wanted to fire it's missiles.

>>9814 I should perhaps have contacted the government to ask whether or not they know if one of their people ditched a jet near the island where I'm hosting this show. Anyway, eliminations are the name of this game! Post more eliminations, we've got all the way until the last two left standing to go, and at that point I'll decide by pairing opposing dice rolls with my undiagnosed schizophrenia to see who is the final winner of Survivor Island.

>>9814 >>9815 Reminds of the time the USAF lost an F-35 out of sheer incompetence.

>>9817 Was it the one two years or so ago where there was an error in the fuel system and it failed to take off, ejecting the pilot? I was thinking that the craft's been in service since '06 and that was its first major reported defect. Not bad performance- Wait shit, you're talking about the time where it vanished and it was literally too stealthy to be found. That WAS funny to hear.

>>9815 >>9814 >>9817 >>9813 >>9812 >fighter jet among the girls Aeromorphs strike again. >

Are you talking about that time a pilot thought he was going to crash, ejected, but then the plane kept flying without him?

>>9821 yes, this Giggles all round from my direction. Being too stealthy to be found is a sign that LM did their job in making the stealth bit work real good

>>9819 The too stealthy to be found was bullshit. It's more that Lockheed was, like every corporation, keeping their tech close to the chest and neglected to actually support a tracking system for their jets, so they couldn't find the crash site for days. >That /k/ superpost I fucking hate that dumbass screencap because it gets used to wave away the literal trillion dollars of teething issues. The F-22 was no picnic but it doesn't have nearly the problems the F-35 does, and actually has a meaningful payload. The plane literally damages itself if it tries to maintain a supersonic speed for any prolonged time which means it's absolutely NOT future-proofed when the maintenance cost and time of a single plane is comparable to the F-22 which is a lot less modular. I swear that post was made by a glowie trying to defend the MIC's shitty decisions. Hold on while I go dig up some of my old stuff.

>>9823 >>9821 >>9822 Alright, here: The USAF declared it ready for service in 2016 yet it wasn't accepted into mass production for the US until 2023. As of that date the following problems I can list just off the top of my head - Vulnerable to lightning; it's practically a lightning rod https://archive.is/QSIii - 0 redundancies in the cyber or mechanical aggregates; any malfunction and it's a hunk of metal. On top of that it lacks proper cooling for its electronics, causing them to fry from prolonged use. - Cannot fly over Mach 1.1 for prolonged time and has no SuperCruise. - RADAR glitches means it literally ahs to be turned off and on again https://archive.ph/EEd9y - Ejection seat is banned for anyone 136 pounds or below and anyone not above 150 pounds has significant injury risk, it literally can break your neck. - F-35 helmets glow too brightly for air-to-air refueling https://archive.is/pKE0Y - F-35 helmets are so heavy at nearly 5 kilograms so that maneuvers cause them to bang their heads on the inside of the cockpit https://archive.ph/WsRxA https://archive.ph/dE1gP and have caused several ejection seat neck injuries. (keep in mind these helmets are 400,000 dollars each). - The oxygen system is unreliable (something that the F-22 shares) https://archive.ph/kGGKq The Plane was supposed to be ready by 2010-12 having been projected in the early 2000s the list of problems in its past and that are remaining in various levels of urgency number over 800. Such as but not limited to - Current aircraft software is inadequate for even basic pilot training. - Ejection seat may fail, causing pilot fatality. Lacking safety measures for automatic pilot release. - Several pilot-vehicle interface issues, including lack of feedback on touchscreen controls. - The radar performs poorly, or not at all. - Engine replacement takes an average of 52 hours, instead of the two hours specified. - Maintenance tools do not work. - It has inferior maneuverability and aerodynamics to the planes it is meant to succeed the F-16 and the F-18 https://archive.is/RmLTT https://archive.ph/20130410175353/http://www.defensenews.com/article/20130306/DEFREG02/303060011/F-35-Report-Warns-Visibility-Risks-Other-Dangers https://archive.ph/h0NX6 https://archive.is/Vzv4u Bug List for the F-35 https://archive.is/M9l8n <Financial Times - F-35 fighter jets can only fly 55% of time, US watchdog says | Sept 21 https://archive.is/2023.09.21-183552/https://www.ft.com/content/a3741488-3350-44fd-940f-f0d494d54587 And at one point the USAF logistics lost millions of replacement parts for the plane >Inb4 "teething issues" 90% of the tech on it was based on tested and tried technologies of the F-22 that were supposed to be upgraded, not clean sheet. The F135 is literally just the F-22's engine but with a new fan blade and supposedly upgraded turbine, yet can't even push it to supercruise. The fact is the plane is an okayish fighter plane in the vein of the early F-16 but with better BVR capability and 'stealth', but that's it. It lacks the redundancy of 2 engines a sea-borne F-18 is known for (which matters since 2 variants are meant to replace the F-18), it lacks the load-capacity to match the F-18 as well, it can't even carry close to the F-18s load without using external hardpoints that immediately compromise all stealth. The only thing it compares to with the F-18 is the crash rate. The entire program costs more than the development and construction of the USS Gerald R. Ford, the Nuclear SuperCarrier it is supposed to serve on. >inb4 lightning strikes don't matter >Three E/A-18G Growler jets were struck by lightning on June 6 while they conducted operations over southern Japan, officials confirmed this week. “No personnel were injured during this incident and all aircraft landed safely at Kadena Air Force Base,” Naval Air Forces spokesperson Ensign Bryan Blair said in an email. Example: https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2023/07/06/lightning-struck-three-growler-jets-over-japan-on-the-same-day/ https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/12/lightning-strike-on-fighter-jet-caught-on-cockpit-video The F-18 and the Growler are planes the F-35B and C was supposed to replace. >To safely fly in conditions where lightning is present, the F-35 relies on its Onboard Inert Gas Generation System, or OBIGGS, which pumps nitrogen-enriched air into the fuel tanks to inert them. Without this system, a jet could explode if struck by lightning. The only other plane I know of with a comparable system is the MiG-25/31, only for those planes it was meant to improve survivability if hit by a missile and to prevent fuel leaks from causing an explosion when in contact with the hot engines.

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The F-35 is apparently limited to short bursts of supersonic speed because its stealth coating and tail-fins lose integrity at supersonic speeds. What this means is that it cannot intercept enemy aircraft or cruise missiles, nor fly long distances at supersonic speeds without essentially losing its stealth. While it can do so to get a mission done, essentially the result would be the plane requiring to be sent back for repairs after conducting a mission. A modern fighter jet is not supposed to have "supersonic speed as an emergency tactic". >When you go into afterburner, you are heating up the outside of your aircraft.” Which is why you have non-after-burning supercruise above the sound-barrier as a requirement for 5th generation aircraft. >limits were imposed after two separate tests in 2011 where the "B" model incurred “bubbling [and] blistering” of its stealth coating and the "C" model suffered “thermal damage” to the tailboom and horizontal tail The flight tests were at 1.3-1.6 Mach, and according the test pilot involved several hours of flights at supersonic speeds with refueling in between. He stated that this isn't a real scenario, but the problem is that while an aircraft may not be flying for hours and hours at supersonic speeds, it most certainly will accumulate such hours over the course of even a couple flights, including training, let alone actual missions. So that means that most F-35s are going to show repeat damage to the tailbooms and stealth coating within a year of flights, OR pilots are going to be restricted training wise, and lack the capability to train for supersonic combat properly. This is important because stealth is not absolute and evading missiles with maneuvers is something that is still relevant today; There's an example with a Russian Su-34 outmanevuring multiple Patriot missiles and pulling High-Gs to do so. https://www.defensenews.com/air/2020/04/24/the-pentagon-will-have-to-live-with-limits-on-f-35s-supersonic-flights/ https://www.defensenews.com/air/2019/06/12/supersonic-speeds-could-cause-big-problems-for-the-f-35s-stealth-coating/

>>9811 I vote Winter. Her boot cravings were too much.

>>9811 Sienna had her time. She might have lived (bitch), but not on the Island.

>>9829 >Sienna had her time. She might have lived (bitch), but not on the Island. Adam is that you?

>>9833 I'm just a divider.

What happened to Nora? Wrong answers only She found out about the Bees

>>9834 >I'm just a divider >divider >divide Foolish witch, your disguise is a failure.

>>9835 She's becoming the next She-Hulk.

>>9836 darn

>>9835 Jaune's cum tasted bad.

>>9840 Jaune? Not Ren? >>9838 *bonk*

>>9841 >Jaune? Not Ren? They wanted wrong answers. So either the character is wrong or the taste is.

>>9824 Damn. Where did you get all of this?? >>9840 A: Jessica... B: I see what was grown on the Arc family farm wasn't strawberries and pineapple. lol >>9835 She had the entirety of RT's daily activities beamed into her head. It's somehow worse than her life before Renny and Beacon. >>9842 Basado >>9836 Me holding a torch for Stripey does not mean she is immune to the proceedings. She was voted on, and so will I roll. Rules as written - if you want something to not die, don't give it stats. She is on the list, and that counts as a stat. >>9829 ... just to be sure, are you calling me a bitch for not putting up with canon's shit? lol Not everyone in the cast of this is dead as of current events and that's got nothing to do with them being available choices. Figured it was a zap before the events proceeded. Still, it goes with the vote. >Sienna's roll of 8,10 >Very lonely... It's one very common trope that someone in a position of power is isolated from their people, but I thought for sure she could have had a personal harem if she wished. lol Still, once being suddenly surrounded by your people and then somehow arriving here could easily be its own form of inducing crippling isolation. Against all odds - because I can't imagine any island activity fit for a gameshow being outside the capability of a lady of Menagerie - she ended up slacking in performance, and so the team voted her out. >>9828 >Winter rolls 11, 2 Holy hell, Winter actually drew on someone. Seems like nerves are seeping into everyone. The island activity of the day was harpooning lionfish, someone ticked her off... enough for her to threaten them! That's not only a violation of the rules of the show, that was enough for the team to vote her off the island. The headcount is ticking down! Who's next?

>>9845 >are you calling me a bitch for not putting up with canon's shit? I would never.

>>9846 Well... thamke

>>9845 To expand on this >>9846 I too, am a certified Canon disrespecter. Anyway, kill the abomination Tock

>>9848 By your word! >3,1 Something or someone brought Tock to the point where she was ready to swing, and ready to run at the same time... that is a unique circumstance. It's up in the air just what managed that. Maybe Maria and Goodwitch ganged up on her, seeing their side relatively strong and one of Salem's standing alone and unsupported. That would require Emerald and Raven to be away from the proceedings... characteristically. Still, the event was broken up to the point where she was voted off the island. I don't reckon anyone knows Tock particularly well outside those two - and a heavy maybe on Elm, depending on whether or not she was obsessive in reading classified past action reports - but neither do I see any of them standing up in Tock's defense. Tock is gone! Who's next?

>>9849 Raven was roasted as a failgirl for sustenance

>>9849 Emerald has a dumb haircut. She's off. And so am I! Off to bed that is. Good night.

>>9845 >Where did you get all of this? I used to love diving into this stuff and keeping track of F-35 fuck ups. I have a bunch of GAO reports too. >>9849 >>9851 Squash the Bug. >>9848 >abomination Tock Darn, another shortstack bites it.

>>9794 Understandable reason to vote someone off >>9805 NOOO THE BNUUY! >>9835 Gas station sushi

>>9851 Have a good one! >>9852 >Emerald succeeded in illusion-ing me. >the dice still landed on 12,12. lul Sensing that she had few people left who were willing to speak on her behalf, she tried to give everyone a present after the exercises of the day. This was detectably so sus that everyone voted her off the island. Failing that hard is a tall order, even for Raven. >>9850 >Raven rolled 3,7 She was willing to talk, and apparently she did it in such a manner that people ended up not wanting to put up with her shit any longer. Whoever made the character sheet of her life did not give her the skill that allowed her to count Intimidation score for Diplomacy rolls. I am damn glad that I haven't been saying the tagline of a similar show <"You are the weakest link. Goodbye." Because she would have shanked me, for sure. >>9853 My condolences, Bingo. She's on the resort that we boat everyone voted away to, now. There are just six people remaining, and they're all vaguely pro-civilization. ... but who is the next to be eliminated?

>>9854 Well then I suppose it's alright. Sounds like a good time

>>9853 >Gas station sushi Don't remind me. >>9851 Good night lad.

>>9854 Elm must go.

>>9858 With her anchoring semblance, how difficult would it be to force her out? >>9855 'ello Bingo! I saw you've been working on your ScarletVerse art. Post them in the thread here, they look great.

>>9858 And so she does. >roll of 1,6 I thought for sure someone else would have demanded tribute before this point, but Elm is full of surprises. ... accounting for her anchoring... the day's exercise involved getting rubber balls out from the bottom of tubes with holes drilled into them, and they weren't allowed to tip the tubes upside down. Evidently she wanted the other team to fail, so she blocked the way for the other water-runner. At the end, nobody won for the day. But most of all, she didn't win on account of nobody wanting to deal with that kind of behavior. Elm is gone! Who's next? >>9859 It was easy, I lied to Elm that Harriet told us her favourite drink, and that she invited me to mock her about getting to drink all of it while Elm didn't get to have any. Elm took off running and leaping onto the speedboat, and didn't realize she got fuckin' bamboozled until she arrived at the place. Missing the mango smoothies in question though, damn.

>>9858 Why? >>9851 G'night!

I had not noticed the time fly by. But it looks like everyone had fun. Rest well, frens Sun's still shining, and I'm still standing

>>9862 I vote off Glynda next.

>>9867 >roll of 9,12 She's friendly! ... TOO friendly. She overheard the talk about the resort those voted off are sent to, and she tried to butter up the camera crew for the whole time the day's exercise was running! The other four voted her off unanimously. Who's next?

>>9859 Thank you. Here's a few old ones, my latest, and a wip >>9866 Good night friend

>>9868 Willow's time has come. She must be freed

>>9870 8,10 for Willow! She wanted to try trading... it might have worked if what she was trading was wine instead of barely-fermented coconut juice. It's impressive that she managed to set up something to distil with, it's barely been a week and we sure didn't mail over a microbrewery. But it was perceived as underhanded. Those coconuts were being stashed for emergencies, I think? Which pisses me off a bit that they'd feel the need to keep a stash; only a tsunami could stop me from delivering the camp's supplies every morning. Still, Willow got voted out! Just one more before it becomes impossible for a majority vote to decide who's leaving.

>>9871 I don't want a fucking hag to win, Voting for the spic and the last guy better vote for kali.

>>9873 >Maria rolled 2,3 The coconut stash that Willow had started fermenting was apparently started by, and was built up by, Maria! Who proceeded to start throwing hands, believing that one of the two was responsible for it. Both of them voted her rrrright out! THE NEXT ONE DECIDES IT ALL! Who will now walk away with a personalized grand prize, for this season of Survivor Island, where the original casted actors and actresses were held back by quarantine, and I took twenty-eight dimensionally displaced warrior ladies who have totally-not-magic and stuck them on an island to make a game show with?!

>>9874 Voting Nora off so Kali wins TOTAL HAG VICTORY

TOTAL HAG VICTORY

>>9875 AND THE CROWD GOES WILD!! >Nora rolls 2,7 The final challenge wasn't a straight fight - we all know the ladies knew their way around a weapon. Really speedy when the need comes is an understatement! So, the final challenge was simple. The majority of the camp equipment had already been dismantled for the end of the season, ready to be reloaded by the container onto the main boat. Every single little thing had been loaded onto trolleys, that were meant to go into the containers. The victor of the final challenge would be determined by how many trolley-loads would end up put back into the containers they had been unloaded from - without the contestants being told! It was a test of intuition and gut instinct alike. But before it all set on, Nora interrupted! Kali was accused! Not of theft, but of Not Paying Tribute! It would seem that the younger hammerer really took after the older one - but Kali was having none of it! She dodged one swing, ducked under another, dipped out of the way of the next, dived head-over-heels around Nora's side, dodged the next swing of the flagging Valkyrie into the girl's guard, and put her in a chokehold! Ladies and gentlemen, the final day is won by Kali! She will take home not only the Elimination Vacation tournament trophy, but also several reward gifts this studio has not yet acquired! Not even I have a clue what this season's tournament reward is! [DING DING DING] THREE CHEERS TO OUR WINNERRRR!!

<3 hours 30 minutes Enjoy a well earned break, dear viewers, because in [LISTED_TIME] hours the latter half of Volume 4 will resume on the Cytube stream!

Stream's starting!

Shit I need to do when I wake up - outline the section of the fic where the shittery upon Menagerie's V4 is mildly averted - explain TGWP by Ryuugi - parse the woman from Judgemental Critter and get the basic points across

>>9884 Excellent. Will be glad to see it Stripey. >>9877 >77 An unexpected victory.

>>9881 >>9879 Stream was pretty good today. Restream in 2 hours. Hopefully Bingo catches it.

>>9894 You have a good night. I had forgotten many of the good parts of V4

>>9895 I always said it's underrated. And even the bad parts are fun to rag on. Good night lad.

V4 tries to do too much with (relatively) too little time. Way too many plotlines going on at once and a (again relatively) not very major climax.

>>9898 >9898 Checked. This is true. That's why I prefer the Josoi cuts for V4 that divides it into character based sections. Also as Rusty pointed out during Stream; it feels like V4 and V5 are more like 1 Volume divided in half. RNJR and Qrow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQC8r_k9dIk Yang Cut: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDHBRiFhGr4 Weiss Plotline: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyIo7TalNz0 Salem's Club: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKnysUDMV8o BlakeSun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrRBI1rpWIQ Oscar and Oz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk8n5fERqII

>>9885 Alright, so here's what JC says, with hysterical-fat-woman-bullshit removed, in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMZjwBJOJ74 >Across the twenty-five months of world time since v1e1, the characters feel like they're stuck at Level 1. >People usually chalk this up to the difference between Monty/Poser and Maya/randos, but how the show presents combat still stands. There's something not quite right going on, and it's not just the choreography. >The show begins with BIG victories compared to the girls and their lot in life - but throwing bigger monsters at the heroes isn't the way to go. >You need to show the growth and the effort that results in new levels of capability - shit like the lackluster Ace Ops fight indicates that has not happened. >Victories feel undeserved. Why is this so? >Power Dynamic Analysis time >One way to indicate growth would be cool new upgrades. In terms of animation, the easiest option would be introducing a different colour attack, so the audience is able to tell by reflex that it's geater than standard. >It is stated outright that the weapons of the girls got tweaks and upgrades by Pietro. But Ruby is making the same swings and shots as she did in V1. >Weiss getting back to fencing skill and glyphwork is a tall order (for a team sans Monty), but there was at least an implied shift in capabilities as she gained Summoning. >Still, for unclear reasons the weapons upgrades were pointless. >Zero change happened to the gang's fighting style. Why, particularly, did the head of Crescent Rose need to pivot? She already twirls it like it's a parade baton. >Yang got sticky bombs... to the end result of not much different to punching fire-projectiles at the enemy. What was hoped to be accomplished with this? >She does not place the bombs and run. She stands aura farming in close proximity. Is the payload worth carrying if she doesn't feel the need to get out of there? >Oh, maybe there could be something showing her planning a tactic for her to pick up Semblance charge while also not risking contact with the enemy! >If only they showed that. Yang would probably save on Dust if she kept firebolt-punching targets. >Blake straight up didn't get an upgrade. Was the yellow in her weapon an indicator that she could do shit with lightning Dust now, like Ilia? No, it's pure cosmetics as part of a normal repair. To reiterate, this show has had nine volumes, and Blake has the same capabilities the Black trailer. >JNPR is a different can of worms. >Crocea Mors becoming a greatsword looks cool, for no indication it's more effective than when it's one-handed. With how little Jaune uses it, what was it really for? >And then, the shield blast upgrade to let his shield do more shielding. Not a hint of getting a long range attack? A blast from his sword, if he's so heavily against guns? >Nora gains the capability of riding around on Magnhild like an adult on a kid's tricycle. It's a cute allusion to her fairytale inspiration, but we already see Nora having a 30ft vertical jump. As with her iconic v1 moment, she's launched herself around for years with not much trouble, resulting in what's implied to be an upgrade seeming to be pointless. And looking silly on top of that. Interruption - just watching v4e9 as I type this out indicates the issue here clearly, despite being different characters. What exactly is worth the screentime about the seemingly tense but really very mild chase scene under the moonlight across the two stories at most high Kuo Kuana rooftops that for some reason still had industrial steam pipes? And Sun just dogpiling Ilia does not at all count as a fight. Nothing new or exciting is going on. >Ren is one of the few people who has actually unlocked new skills regarding Semblance. Except the problem remains - for exactly which reason does he gain the ability to read the emotions of others? As if he wasn't able to empathize and perceive what others are feeling like? >Jaune unlocks his Semblance, for the end result of not actually healing. Why is it this way? >There is an animation upgrade for Yang, but that's Poser/Maya. Mechanically speaking, nothing has changed. Blake, Weiss, Nora are unchanged. Oscar still doesn't have a Semblance, across his five volumes of being part of the show. >Ruby's Petal Burst gains the ability to separate and reform at will. Is there the new benefit of being able to take a hit? What, particularly, isn't already accomplish by the existing speedster skillset? >How little the protagonists' arsenal changes has light shone on it by how much the villains' arsenal changes. Neo and Cinder got actually valid upgrades. There's plenty of potential here - imagine Blake got an infinite projectile glitch by way of shadow-cloning a throwing star or a Dust grenade. Imagine if Yang's robot arm mechashifts into a chainsaw. Imagine if as a weapons geek, Ruby had a hoard of little tricks to open up at a moment's notice. >A lot of shows cheat around upgrading character skills by just recoloring existing attacks. But these still accomplish being a visual indicator. For example, when Vegeta uses Galick Gun, you know by its colour and size that it's different to keeping on tossing aura bolt/spheres. >Weirdly, RWBY seems to understand this. For example, we could easily tell that Adam's Moonslice is a bigger deal than his usual attacks because his hair and blade glow makes just about everything else fade to black. We outright get an example of team RWBY glowing like a disco while pinballing around glyphs in the final with the Curious Cat. >Weiss's summons remain at A Giant Bee she already defeated, instead of the same summon Lightning Shooting Insect. Better example in the Arma Gigas, which is the same as when she defeated it. >The lack of showing protagonist growth is paired with poor showing of what abilities they do have. Ruby managed Petal Storm in a damn food fight - how exactly could this not also be applied against real threats? >Weiss cut apart the Arma Gigas in her trailer with Myrtlenaster alone. Summoning was an ability we saw her work to achieve... so why does Summoning look weaker than her sword and glyph play? >Nothing the heroes do seems any different in effect or utilization, so it looks like they're just rehashing the same old techniques. This may be a realistic portrayal of people sticking to what they know, but for a show that's supposed to be about combat it's narratively a grievous sin. >RWBY as a show is pretty unique, because the sight of the characters training is a regular thing. Despite that, it looking like the training doesn't actually accomplish anything. >Not only is there no visible progress in the training scenes (by the standard of the aforementioned, where they don't achieve new things) but most of the scenes end up with the characters milling around gossipping. >Oscar swinging the cane like a stick. Mercury shadow-boxing. Ruby going in a Petal Burst circle with Harriet. These show no actual struggle to get better, especially with no visible difference before and after. The most we see is them being slightly out of breath. >To contrast, Demon Slayer Tanjuro talks constantly about his skills, and how he's in pain while struggling to improve. Free for our perusal is him messing up and getting back up, again and again. >The Remnant gang do not visibly struggle. The achievements seem to come easily to them. >In LoK, we see Korra struggling with meditation and focus while learning airbending. Ruby does not struggle to make the Silver Eyes work - every time she needs it to happen, it's there. That could have been a plot point in itself. Maybe what the Silver Eyes do are not a skill to be trained - though we see no confirmation one way or another. >For all Jaune didn't try to gain his Semblance, he may as well have just waited till the script said it's time for him to save the day. I keep on saying this show is the portrayal of a not!DnD campaign, because suddenly gaining capabilities like that (with no prior indication of the source) is characteristic to adding skills and feats to a character sheet on every level-up.

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>Oscar did Ozpin's extremespeed poke against Ironwood. Swinging Long Memory like a stick was not training for that, let alone a struggle for accomplishment by which we can see it's an achievement. Showing that the character earned their capabilities is necessary, in order to make new capabilities have meaning. >Goku is training constantly, and begging to always be training. Yuji sitting down to focus on his emotions so that the teddy bear doesn't smack him. These moments aren't on screen for long, but we are still able to tell there's something the characters are *trying to achieve.* And they're struggling with it enough for us to tell that it won't come easily for them. >cont'd

>>9905 (You) >Getting something new which actually matters has the requirement of making a cinematic impact. >This show does pop off occasionally, but Oscar's speedpoke, which we see no indication of...? Instantly overshadowed by Winter diet-Judgement-Cutting Ironwood. >Every time the gang gets something cool and new... it doesn't end up used in the climax of the fight, to show off its coolness. Ruby unlocks the new ability with her Semblance? The creative decision was that this doesn't go into a big fight where it'd be hype as hell - it goes into the episode showing the normal training one day. She proceeds to literally walk off screen with no fanfare. >Jaune's cool new weapon upgrade doesn't categorically put the Nuckelavee on the back foot like what you'd think a showing a weapon upgrade is meant to accomplish. He gets smacked immediately after the revealing. The fight is even ended when they take the sword and shield apart. >Literally every time Yang ends a fight is with a Semblance Punch. After nine volumes, it's just not noteworthy anymore, let alone impressive. >Weiss truly unlocking Summoning wasn't done in a definitive high-states action scene. It... just happened when she was practicing in her room one day. Just training for a minute on screen - she didn't even seem out of breath from it. >MKEK got homework on anime. How do you see all that shonen and end up thinking the above is a cool idea? >Jaune, in the Haven battle, did not do much relevant at all before his Semblance unlocked and he not!healed Weiss. >Tanjuro, when all hope seems lost, unlocked Lightning Breathing. This is observably an accomplishment in the middle of strife and peril. We could see how much effort it took him to reach it, and we could also see all of the rest of his capabilities fail to make an impact. >The first time Zuko manages to redirect lightning, it's an emotionally heavy moment where he abandons the Fire Nation. Ozai attacks him with lightning - and the scene accomplishes showing the incredible effort Zuko put in to accomplishing the redirecting of that. >Bolin figuring out Lava bending. Gohan's Special Beam Cannon. Nezuko's Blood Demon Art. >RWBY has nothing of the like to offer. At the end of the day, MKEK saw blueprints for how to make hype shit, and chose otherwise. Like a DM railroading the party, really. >Considering how much of RWBY rips off other anime, it's spectacular how much the showmakers fail to grasp why these scenes work. Conclusion: >This is well more than likely not intended. It costs money to manage everything outlined, and RT was haemorraging money. Even just a different attack colour means you have to go back and redo everything. >More grievous is lack of creativity, when the ability to do something dropped into their hands. Some ideas are good ideas. Make better ideas, and you will do better things. >CRWBY simply didn't have good ideas. Mentioned already was Yang getting more capability from her robot arm than just More Fist. Compared to Fullmetal Brotherhood where the basic point of including prosthetic limbs as pros instead of cons in a fight...? >Whoever designed and decided Semblances was strapped for creativity. For the most part, Semblances are just glowy hand movements. Between lack of visual aids and a lot of characters not really using weapons, they just aren't that creative. >A lot of the inconsistency in this show is due to plot contrivances. The Ace Jobs fight starts with Ruby implying that the training pushed RWBY above the AO. Then the very next volume, Ren outlines that the AO fight alongside one another, but not together like a real team... so it's a matter of opinion whether or not it's the AO's own issues instead of RWBY's own skill that made the senior team lose the fight? As opposed to a definitive and decisive story beat to portray, it's a jumbled mess to navigate. >There's no point in trying to gauge power/capability levels because no power mechanic is coherent or consistent enough to measure with. Yang's been this badass who tanks hits and beats up giant robots, and then proceeds to be an Auraless baby who gets sent flying across the world by Cinder. If they leaned into Aura scaling on Willpower and made it consistent, they wouldn't need much effort to come up with visual cues to show increasing or decreasing power. >Penny is strong enough to handle the whole Ace Ops on her own and chop down airships... she proceeds to struggle against Cinder alone, while everyone else offers backup. >This whole video started out as tallying wins and losses among the cast. But because everyone's super strong and perfect all the time, while easily defeated all the time, there's no consistency to make losses and wins mean anything. Like in capeshit, they're allergic to anything that isn't character fluff and make up whatever to make whatever happen. >On top of the showmakers' flaws of lacking ability to choreograph fight scenes, use funding properly, and being short on creativity, they don't appear to grasp why stages of growth and decline alike are important to the structure of a story. RWBY as a show has been around for more than ten years. ... what do the cast have to show for it?

>>9905 >>9907 A lot of these issues can be traced back to the show not caring about consistency in the beginning and being way more concerned with the action being flashy and coolness when Monty was around. Then they tried to make things more serious and consistent starting with Volume 4. The action became more grounded and less over the top. I think this person is nitpicking a lot of stuff though.

>>9908 You say nitpicking, I say utilizing consistent indication of a thought process that resulted in lackluster results. This show could've been better and we all know it - that's why there's almost as many fanfics for this as there are for Naruto. It's not wrong to see it and figure out how to do better, I feel

>>9909 Yeah, I agree still. The Cinder fight at the end of Volume 8 annoys me because Cinder is basically unstoppable just to make the plot work even though they have Penny, a number advantage, and then Winter even too. It's just kind of silly. The writing in RWBY has never been so great, and these problems all got worse in the later volumes, in earlier volumes you could all just write things off as "fun", Speaking of Naruto and fanfiction though, yeah, I've only been reading RWBY fanfiction for a short time but I'm still surprised at how much fanfiction for RWBY gets put out. And it's relatively good quality stuff too. The Naruto fanfic scene... there's been some fun stuff and some good old fics I read, but overall I think the quality, creativity, and passion of Naruto fanfiction is pretty poor compared to the other fanfic communities I've been in. When it was at its most popular, fanfiction in general wasn't as good or high quality, and most Naruto fanfic writers were probably in high school. RWBY definitely has better stuff being written.

>>9910 Easily agreed there. At least one professional author on the job - Coeur had been putting out a novel's worth of writing every month for the past two years, minimum. Not for fun, but for discipline - to the extent that he got the word from his doctor that if he maintained his current pace and stress level, it would be a surprise if he made it to fifty. It's borderline insanity. But back onto Naruto - that about sums it up. The show's intended audience proceeded as we reckoned they would.