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Will the other four members of the Deadly Six get into Crossworlds as free updates?

>>40044 Now that MtG is canon I can finally use my fast magicks for real Target thread gains flash and haste!

>>40050 no they are being changed to the deadly duo

>>40050 Probably, they seem to want to add as many characters as possible over time like a mobile game and they love shoehorning the deadly six into everything they can. So who would be next? The green slut? The emo faggot? The old faggot? Or the fat faggot? >>40052 Can they be killed off next too?

>>40030 >Oh you wanted more collabs? No. Why are they doing so many this year? I'm tired of these at this point The art looks pretty here though at least, I just don't see why it needs to be tied to some other series, especially given that they literally just tried to make a Sonic card game (but on phones and with 3D models for some reason) Will we get the full art without the text? >>40031 The Tornado card is my favorite, I love pics like that >Power Sneakers Not canon, this name should be left in the 90s and forgotten

>>40053 >Can they be killed off next too? They're game characters beloved by the marketing team. IDW characters are neither game characters nor beloved by higher ups, so they're already dead.

>>40050 I thought they were already confirmed to be in the game.

Why can't we have the characters we actually want instead?

>>40057 copyright means no competition means no need to improve

>>40054 >Why are they doing so many this year pic related >I'm tired of these at this point It does get pretty tiring. But it's nice that Sonic is popular. >>40055 >the deadly 6 are beloved by the marketing team Are they really actually popular? Do they really move merchandise or increase game sales? It sounds like they'd be a pain to do marketing with if anything.

>>40059 >Are they really actually popular? Just because marketing thinks they sell like hot cakes should tell you all about the marketing team's (lack of) touch with reality.

>>40059 >Are they really actually popular? Probably not, but I see how marketers could think they are given that Zavok has appeared in almost every game since his debut and Zazz is the only non-Eggman boss in Sonic Dash (which has 300 Million Downloads) and is therefore technically the most well known non-Eggman villain. On paper they seem like popular characters, but there's nothing in reality to back that up.

i just wanna see whispers chocolate boobies on the big screen, man

>>40062 ok, but she has to cry constantly

>>40058 Years ago I saw a screenshot of a very long post about the Sonic series that basically said the same thing you just did. Does anyone have the post or screenshot? Or at least know what I'm referring to? I've wanted to read it again and save it, but I couldn't find it anymore

>>40061 Why were they put in those games to begin with?

Now that it's revealed TSR sold millions, I'm thinking that maybe Zavok seriously does sell for real

>>40066 Do you think Superstars sold millions because it had Fang too?

>>40068 No? I don't understand why you would ask that

>>40069 I don't think there's much to conclude that Zavok would make TSR sell millions, but if we're going with that then it feels like the same logic would conclude that Fang made Superstars sell millions given that it correlates with his appearance.

>>40063 yessssss

>>40063 I wonder if she'd lose popularity if she stopped doing that and became a normal character not permanently hurt about her past.

>>40070 Oh, I didn't mean that Zavok is the sole reason TSR sold well. None of us expected that TSR sold as well as it did, and none of us think people actually like Zavok, similarly to TSR, perhaps SEGA could have knowledge regarding Zavok's popularity, and they know there are people who find him appealing and know how to market their games to such people

Are you fags planning to do anything Sonic related this weekend? I want to continue playing SxSG and maybe jump onto the Shadow part if I have time. >>40073 They'd be pumping out Zavok merch left and right if that was the case lol.

>>40072 I have no data to back this up but I feel like what people like about her is 1) boobies 2) """lesbian ally""" 3) gun I feel like PTSD is just something that's convenient for fanfic writers to latch onto as an "important" character trait, but could be replaced with any trope.

>>40076 Shadow gens looks fun, but I'm afraid of how short it seems Instead I'm going to stress over comms for 48 hours

>>40078 Sonic Generations is also very short (and unoriginal). It doesn't get criticized enough for this

>>40078 Yeah, I decided to play regular Generations too since it's so short and I wasn't expecting the Shadow part to be much longer sadly. It looks pretty sweet though. >Instead I'm going to stress over comms for 48 hours Get to work faggot.

The most recent TailsTube was 3 months ago. We're probably getting a new one soon Which crossover characters can we expect in it?

>>40085 I need go to back and watch all the TailsTube episodes I've missed. I've not watched one in years.

>>40086 You're missing out on Victoria then

>>40085 spongebobbu

>>40085 I hope Wade is in it.

>>40089 >>40091 Tails' guests, Wade and Spongebob

I'm glad to see the Sonic Rush series level editor is in development again. I just checked its page for the first time in a while and saw it got some updates yesterday

>>40057 What if Silver is just a Hyper Sonic with amnesia after being defeated by OG timeline Iblis, but he cannot disappear like Mephiles because he is the bridge between the OG timeline and the new one? He cannot remember because these events never happened due to the new timeline, but the future still demands Silver to exist. This is why the mysterious portals keep appearing: it is the timeline trying to correct itself in a futile attempt to fix Silver's paradox. Eventually, time will become desperate and appeal to ontology: It will send Silver to the most distant past. Silver will be unable to die, but he will stop thinking long before his body physically returns to the present. In the present, Silver's brain-dead husk will be discovered by the famous Dr. Gerald Robotnik. Its amazing properties will serve as excellent material to create the Ultimate Lifeform: Shadow the Hedgehog. The Hedgehog is one yet many. You see, this is why.

>>40096 Is Bump in this yet?

>>40065 Dash probably got Zazz because Lost World just came out when it released. As for why Zavok was in every game, I honestly have no clue.

They've never told us who designed the Zeti, did they?

>>40099 Now that you mention it, they haven't specifically said anything. They never revealed who designed Infinite either. Apparently Sage (Eggman's daughter, not the Sloth) was created by Kishimoto and designed by Yoshitaka Miura, who has worked in various art roles on a lot of Sonic games. Looking into it some more Miura was Art Director on both Forces and Frontiers, meaning that Infinite was also likely a joint creation of him and Kishimoto, however he was merely a field artist for Lost World, so he's likely not the designer of the Zeti. The Art Director on Lost World was Sachiko Kawamura, so in all likelyhood the Zeti were designed by her.

>>40100 If Infinite and Sage had the same designed, that would explain why both had the used similar red squares particles or whatever. It was just the same artist using similar ideas in his work. Cool

>>40100 She is oddly a stealth legend

>>40102 There's a good chance she designed or at least played a role in designing the Wisps as well since she was also art director for Colors.

>>40077 I feel like her weeping all the time about how hard she has it would be a huge reason some people would get attached to her because people tend to empathize and there's a lot of people that perceive themselves to be in unfair positions and as victims, specially in the fag related movements, and they'd just latch right onto that shit.

https://youtu.be/mFSmdxwxQSc What do you think was in the Lost Prologue before it was destroyed?

If you search "Sonic the Hedgehog" on DuckDuckGo the duck in the logo cosplays as Sonic

>>40106 also works for bump the deer

>>40106 It's real It actually works

>>40107 BumpBumpGo

>>40096 Hey, Chronicles 2 RPG-making fag, I have a suggestion: to better cover for the transition between an attack and a character's "recoiling/defeat" animation (excluding those that include the target's model in the attack, like that Hope/Chris combo POW Move you showed a while back), maybe you can do some obscuring tricks over the screen. Stylized stuff like a jagged slash that cuts the screen open to then reveal the pain animation, or impact flashes of color, or (in the Sonia animation's case you posted) the camera whirling to the target like it was "striking" alongside the tornado, or the screen filling with pink wind before revealing the hit.

>>40106 cute

>>40111 That sounds cool

When was the last time you were excited about something new related to Sonic?

>>40115 When I let my head conjure up a new Sonic story for me. It is a fantastic experience every time.

>>40115 Official or fanmade.

>>40111 Noted for polish. I normally do not like to add anything that wasn't already scheduled but that is a good idea. >>40097 npc

>>40121 Question: Is the game gonna have more updates after you release it?

>>40122 Most likely not. Perhaps characters that didn't exist at the time of launch.

>>40123 Since we're on the topic of polish, building off >>40111 for scenarios where there's no fitting obfuscation FX, you can instead simply be a bit contextually dynamic with the recoil animation's camera angle. From what I gather, characters tend recycle the same angle against all attacks (always from the right side for Knuckles, always from the left side for Wade, always from the front for Sage over at >>40096 and so forth). Obviously nothing a little mirroring can't help for side-based ones, but there could be scenarios where you have the animation instead play from the front, like the Surge/Sonic POW move to represent the oncoming train-like impact, or even from behind (with or without the player's party in the foreground). Though given you mentioned that your game had its basic skeleton besides things like particle/camera effects, you might have already known this. Additionally, as a cheat against just playing recoil back-to-back in the case of multi-target moves, you could do something like a split-screen between all targets of the attack reeling simultaneously ala my third gif example. Or even as a means of showing an attacking character "striking" the enemy without directly including the model in the attack or hard-cutting to the recoil itself.

>>40124 The camera system is easily edited, and critiques/suggestions such as these are more than welcome. Thank you.

Since SEGA is in a collabwhoring mood lately, we should convince them to make Sonic an official representative of /fast/

>>40115 The manga, and before that Shadow Generations (although I'm waiting to play it, unlike Frontiers which I played immediately)

>>40127 i don't see them working with something so unrelated to sonic

>>40117 Official but why not both. >>40128 >although I'm waiting to play it Why's that?

>>40130 I want to keep playing Unleashed first, and I might play Superstars before Shadow Generations

>>40059 >Nobody bought Lost World >A majority of people didn't make it past Zavok's bossfight in Forces >Nobody played TSR's story mode >Nobody played Frontiers long enough to hear Sonic talk about Zavok He's the most astroturfed character in the franchise.

Ey, lemme tell ya, I was on a walk the other day, passed by a vintage music store that said it specialized in "hard to find" records. So I walk in there... and nothing was alphabetized!

>>40133 kek

>>40134 Alan, get off the internet.

>>40136 What's the context for this

>>40137 He was the main writer/editor for the Sonic Boom TV show or had some other similar role. I think he wound up enjoying his role way too much.

>>40136 Sorry I watched 1 too many Mitch Hedberg clips and had to get it out of my system.

>>40138 Professionalism really is a dead practice nowadays.

>>40140 Given how Sonic Boom nearly killed Sonic, his behavior is on point.

>>40143 nothing nearly kills sonic, this franchise is invincible

Issue 81 cover.

>>40145 sexo

>>40145 Why is it brown now?

no one cums inside sonic's butt like gaston

>>40147 >>40145 Maybe they decided the old mask didn't stand out from the face.

>>40145 >>40149 They went out of they're way to make it worse. Holy shit XD

Could you faggots please stop asking for collabs??

>>40154 jc theyre pumping these out

>>40154 Oh wow, Transformers X Sonic.

>>40154 These collabs are nice and all, but I wish they would result in games instead of shitty merch I'll never buy. I was really hoping that Crossworlds wouldn't be the only game this year. >Sonic x Transformers Now that it's official, I guarantee they'll be DLC characters for Crossworlds given all the other Paramount related crossovers already in the game.

>>40156 What if Sonic met Megatron?

>>40160 How would Sonic meet Megan?

>>40154 Whyyy lol

>>40160 What if Omega met some Transformers?

>>40154 ehg, the movie did exactly what I knew it would. Modern Sega just puppeting around this franchise in every which way. Complete slop.

Is it just me or is UnWiished a substantially uglier game than Secret Rings?

>>40170 Maybe you're right. Or maybe the Hedgehog Engine looks much better than both, but with Unleashed we have a direct comparison because they share the same areas

>>40171 I assume UnWiished's assets are just Unleashed HD's with lower polycounts, making them look worse than they're meant to while Secret Rings' assets were designed for the Wii first and foremost.

>>40173 The latter point is a good way to put it in general. Secret Rings was made to be a Wii game in the first place, while the Wii/PS2 version of Unleashed was just a secondary thing, even regardless of how it was made

We're getting a new crossover every 2 days or so. Guess what the next collab will be

>>40176 Official Bump & Sage double-sided pillow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmf4-K10y_E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDzAZSsVSPE I don't think I've even seen anyone mention this collab. At least this one is a video game Uekawa's art looks awesome as usual

>>40144 That's not what Iizuka says. https://www.eurogamer.net/10-years-ago-we-were-fighting-to-survive-its-totally-different-now-segas-franchise-guru-on-sonics-redemption-arc Turns out, hiring the game grumps as Sonic's ambassadors was a VERY bad idea. Also, this is why Sticks is verboten in Sonic games.

https://sonic-city.net/2025/06/29/over-300-rare-prototypes-at-risk-including-sonic-generations-colors-ds-and-unseen-sega-builds/ >A major preservation effort is underway to publicly archive over 300 rare prototype cartridges from the DS, DSi, 3DS, and GBA era—many of them Sonic and SEGA titles. The collection, currently being negotiated by the Video Game Preservation Museum in partnership with Obscure Gamers and Prototopia, features early builds, trade show demos, and development versions of iconic games, including Sonic Generations 3DS, Sonic Colors DS, and Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood. This seems interesting but I can't find any information outside of this article

>>40180 Are those two things actually mentioned by Iizuka in the article? I haven't read it beyond the screenshot you posted

>>40181 Sounds interesting, I'd love to see the DS version of the Rhythm Thief, will consider donating to the Gofundme if I have money to do so.

>>40183 I'm curious about that too. I wonder what other games might be there as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6XhZd_ko9k Thoughts? I think he's right but only a few themes is still very limited, and the recycled level layouts aren't great either

Do people seriously think merging random acts makes Colors more enjoyable? I just realized one of the likely reasons they did it was because they were hiding Red Star Rings and didn't want to make searching for them take overwhelmingly long

>>40178 I get the feeling it'd be hard to get Sega to allow Sonic to be put in a position where he's the bad guy or that you have to fight him. Though they did that Squad Busters collab where technically you do fight him and other Sonic characters, but that feels a bit different. >>40180 >Also, this is why Sticks is verboten in Sonic games It's funny because back then everyone thought Sticks was in a different position than the rest of Boom because she was designed by Sonic Team so they considered her theirs and hence why she was allowed to escape Boom hell for a while. I thought they were just going to just forget Boom existed but still kept using her, I guess they figured it was too much trouble. >>40182 He's jumping to conclusions a bit but whatever. >>40181 >the full acquisition requires an additional £61,000 by early August Fuck this shit, part of me hopes this fails because of how greedy this is. >Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood prototypes If I remember correctly the music was lost for that game, I wonder if some of these pre date the loss. >I can't find any information outside of this article I think I may have come across some of those fags on twatter at some point while looking for Sonic news. Maybe it's this? https://nitter.net/VGPMuseum/status/1929853308618903600#m

>>40187 That's it, thanks for the link >5% of target >£3,050.96 >Raised of £61,000.00 goal >only one more month Yeah I doubt they're reaching it

>>40188 At least scalpers aren't getting dumb rich due to some random purchase at a corporate auction or whatever. Fuck them.

>>40187 That's a half-true. Sticks (and all the Boom characters) weren't designed by Sonic Team. They were just approved by them. Same thing with IDW and to a lesser extent, post-reboot Archie OCs. Really, it was Sticks getting Sonic Channel stuff but even that only exist to tie into the Mario & Sonic games.

>>40194 Is blocking Sticks Ian's biggest fuck up?

I want them to show Frontiers 2 already but I know that the first time they do it will just be one of those teasers that don't actually show anything followed by months without any new trailers or info

>>40195 Yes with his Bumblekast going bust being a close #2.

>>40196 Seeing how everyone keeps bitching about crossworlds looking unfinished, it's for the best if they don't show anything till it's almost ready

>>40194 Huh, really. Back then it was understood she was a Sonic Team creation and indeed she feels like she has a much more refined design that fits better in the Sonic universe. >>40196 I feel like it's going to be like that meme image where after being fucked over so many times by Sonic Team the kid now waits for the new games with boxing gloves on. I still remember how my disappointment with Forces kept growing the more they showed of the game and how disappointing it was after so many years of waiting. I skipped the Frontiers pre release period so I guess it'll be interesting to see how things play out this time.

unf

>>40203 wait a minute are /sthg/ users drawing their own dakis again

>>40187 Every Rise of Lyric character was designed with Sonic Team notes. Sticks got special attention after the fact because she was in the TV series. There is no indication that she was designed by anyone japanese at all. Her credited character designer is Sylvain Deboissy.

>>40204 That was a thing? Did they have them printed onto real pillows? Were any of them good?

New Japanese Sonic crap

>>40207 New Western Sonic crap

>>40207 And it only now just dawned on me that his arms are blue. the fuck sega.

>>40206 pretty sure hot shelter/espiofag did but the pic isn't on the booru so i maybe i just hallucinated it was as good as anything else she's done

>>40210 Yeah, I made one last year. I never posted the art to the booru, just the thread. His colors look really washed out in the photos, but he's pretty and vibrant irl. >it was as good as anything else she's done d'awww

>>40212 ey look at him >>40206 oh yeah, there was also someone that made (or i guess commissioned someone else to make) a bump the deer plush

>>40212 I can't see the stains

>>40214 Clearly that's a day one pic

>>40215 He couldn't waste time.

>>40198 In what way is CrossWorlds looking unfinished? Only thing I've heard is the Luminous Forest skybox being completely black

>>40217 It doesn't look like a good game.

>>40218 Okay but where are the people saying this? Everyone seems to be praising it

>>40195 Why did Ian's faux-paus of suggesting Sticks live on Angel Island cause Sega to hard-block her from everything everywhere (leven yelling at IDW to orwellian retcon her out of the the background of a winter issue for Blaze)? Did they need to make an example out of her for the gaijin to know his place?

>>40222 That seems exceptionally petty on someone's behalf.

>>40222 yapan

https://x.com/Ohtanitter/status/1939900589443559592 https://archive.ph/oatZT https://segaretro.org/Tomoya_Ohtani/Song_credits What was his best song?

>>40227 Out of the vocal tracks my favorite is probably His World But in general there are so many more to choose from

>>40222 She got Joseph Stalined

>>40222 I had no idea this happened. Blaze looks a lot more fitting but still. Also is that the conductor as Santa? >>40227 Probably either the final boss song for Unleashed or Colors, I think I've probably listened to the latter the most. If you're talking about actual vocal works then I have no idea, I associate those with Jun Senoue much more than Ohtani. I'd be curious about what particular composition anons would highlight from him from the post Runners period, I just don't hear people discuss soundtracks after Runners a lot and it feels like he poured every last bit of inspiration for Runners and after it was unexpectedly cancelled he never recovered lol. >https://segaretro.org/Tomoya_Ohtani/Song_credits >he worked on SA2 I had a feeling he joined later than that.

>>40230 He also did a lot for Frontiers, I remember him saying he worked on that soundtrack for years. And of course he composed the vocal tracks in that game too. I like both versions of I'm Here, Undefeatable, and Find Your Flame He also worked on TSR, but his only contribution there was Sky Road (which is great btw), I assume this is because he was busy with Frontiers

>>40222 >Sega basically removed Sticks over some petty bullshit ...why are they like this.

>>40222 Assuming it isn't some byzantine licensing nonsense between Sega of Japan and Sega of America, I'd say its safe to assume Sega of Japan just wants to bury anything and everything having to do with the Sonic Boom brand or anything considered too western.

>>40235 Yet you can select the Boom characters including Sticks as your favorite character on the Sonic Channel avatar creator that they made a few months ago

25 days to the 11th anniversary

Tails is the cutest!!

>>40237 So what I'm hearing is that Bump is an oppai loli?

>>40241 There's a significant lack of images of the mascots in anime style. This needs to be remedied.

Did Ian ever elaborate in interviews or podcasts or whatever why they decided to kill Starline? I wonder if they thought it wasn't working, or they wanted to introduce another antagonist, or they just got bored of him. Same with the autistic squid, but that's more recent. I wonder if that means the two idiot offspring of Starline are next since I think they're the only other antagonists (of sorts). And now that I think of it Clutch is also out of the picture (for now at least), so I wonder what they're going to do.

>>40243 Starline died because he wasn't popular. The same goes for Mimic. Surge and Kit will only stay if there is enough fan demand. Otherwise, they will go chop chop like the rest. Surge and Kit will probably stay around for a while, but people will get bored with them sooner or later. There is nothing interesting that can be done with them that wasn't already done with characters who are actually important to the franchise. Rough & Tumble have a better chance of seeing the end of publication than the rest, simply because of their Team Rocket value.

>>40244 surge has the vagene bonus

hey wait when did krack die

>>40247 I saw she got banned from Twitter a few days ago, but I don't know the details. Has she commented on it at all?

>>40248 she's still posting on the quasar196 account

>>40249 Oh cool

The Internet would be a much better place if people who aren't autistic Sonic fans who think about Sonic for most of the day weren't allowed to use it.

>>40252 the girls would definitely be hotter

>>40253 Yes unironically, and the guys too. Imagine being attracted to someone who doesn't like Sonic, disgusting.

>>40254 we need to get back to work on that dating site

>>40243 The Sonic franchise has a bit of a problem in that if you go by hard Nip only canon then there aren't a lot of antagonists for Sonic and friends to face. And this particular version of Eggman isn't mean and determined enough to be like Fleetway/SatAM Robotnik and sustain ongoing arcs but he's not as congenial as Boom! Eggman or just goofy evil like AoS Eggman to be an ongoing episodic antagonist either. He's evil enough to launch the Eggman war and get a lot of furries killed or release the metal virus which almost wiped out the whole biosphere but he's also not particularly proactive about any villainous plots. Presumably they don't want to use Chaos because that crosses over to Knuckles and potentially into Echidna civilization which might arouse Penders' litigant autism. I guess Zavok can invade again or something.

She was so fucking right

>>40256 >He's evil enough to launch the Eggman war and get a lot of furries killed or release the metal virus which almost wiped out the whole biosphere This is so boring to me. So you're saying we'll get another boring Eggman arc or they'll introduce another (boring and unpopular) villain? >AoS Eggman Speaking of this, I've always wanted to watch that show, what's the best way to watch it these days? Do I just look the episodes up on Youtube or is there a better way?

>>40243 >>40244 I hope not, I like Surge and especially Kit. I want them in more media besides IDW Starline is cool too but whatever I guess

>>40256 They don't use Chaos because he isn't a villain, his only motive for attacking was anger and the issue was solved at the end of the game

>>40258 I think they are officially available on YouTube but I don't know if that's the best way

>>40260 >They don't use Chaos because he isn't a villain That's not what Forces wanted to sell and I'M STILL MAD that they gave him a new great looking model only to NOT USE IT FOR A BOSS OR ANYTHING

>>40263 Shadow isn't a villain either, they just used him and Chaos in Forces because they're strong Anyways you're right Chaos really should have had a boss fight in that game

As part of >>39990 they had an event in the UK today where they promoted the game and they had a really cool Crossworlds RC car circuit! Also the staff putting the cars back on track is very on ironic considering how much the games play themselves sometimes, lol.

Do you ever think about how, despite its problems, at least Forces was trying to appeal to Sonic fans

>>40266 Yes, but it was just going down a checklist of things that Sonic fans had liked in the past without understanding why people had liked it, a step up from Lost World trying to appeal to Mario fans over Sonic fans, but not necessarily good. It's also worth noting that a lot of the best Sonic games didn't focus primarily on appealing to fans, but instead being good games.

There was a 10 GB CrossWorlds leak and none of it is interesting

>>40266 I did not feel appealed to by Forces at all. >>40268 What was in it?

>>40269 It's the file that the Twitter leakers had, so things like Nickelodeon stuff basically. They already mentioned everything that's interesting as far as I can tell. 10 GB just makes it sound like a lot

>>40270 Anything we didn't know about from before?

>>40271 Not that I've seen, but I haven't looked at the files myself. I figured people would talk about it if that was the case

>>40273 I want news about something exciting again

>>40275 Same

I feel Sonic fans don't get excited enough at the idea of playing Sonic games. Instead of honestly engaging with what the game has to offer and allowing it to provide the experience it's trying to provide, the default reaction to something new or different from a previous game is one of resistance and hostility

>>40278 I wouldn't blame anyone for not getting excited. Fans have been rused so many times at this point that it's a wonder there's still a fanbase, and after the 900th game made with only the minimum effort possible it's hard to be enthusiastic about them. A lot of times the change to something new is just made because it's easier for development rather than a genuine intention of creating something better, it just stinks of mediocrity.

>>40279 It's not a good mindset to get into something with, and it's not just about new releases, it can continue years if not decades after. If you already decided that you're not going to enjoy the game, you won't allow yourself to enjoy it, you won't give yourself the chance to, even if you decide to play it. It's like a less obvious form of those nitpicking movie reviewers who just invent things to complain about. You won't make any honest attempts to engage with the game's design, ideas, and features, you'll just look for excuses to criticize it because you already decided that's what you want to do, even though there is nothing good to be gained from doing this. Even if it is mediocre, you won't get to enjoy the parts that you might otherwise enjoy in spite of the problems, because you won't allow yourself to have that experience in the first place

>>40280 Sounds rather far fetched to me, but like I said I wouldn't be surprised if decades of fucking over players has consequences.

>>40265 They also were handing out a new promotional manga written by Ian and illustrated by Imada. Haven't been able to find the full scan yet.

>>40283 Except people can never agree on what that actually is, which is part of the problem I described. No one is open to the idea of enjoying a game for what it is, by default Sonic fans act as if they should be closed off to anything that doesn't follow the same exact formula or style they claim to want, and in doing so they never give anything a chance to begin with anymore >>40285 >written by Ian and illustrated by Imada That's cool! Everyone was trying to force some rivalry between them and instead they're working together. I think it also makes it more likely for Imada to work on the games

>>40278 >>40280

>>40278 I just want Sonic Heroes 2. Please. Please, help. Please, release it.

>>40289 What would you like to see in a Sonic Heroes 2?

>>40289 >Sonic Heroes 2

>>40290 sonic

>>40294 You don't need the "Heroes 2" part for that...

>>40295 eh i never liked heroes or 2 anyway

>>40290 Bump, Sage, and Anon All 3 are "null" type and have no special abilities

>Minecraft, Ninja Turtles and Spongebob are all things aimed at the same target demographic as Sonic Knowing this, what will the other crossovers in Crossworlds be.

>>40290 > Hero War between the Chaos and Sol dimensions. > What is up with that Tori person? > A visit to Silver's good future and a meeting with Future Shadow. > Sage and Metal Sonic share bonding time. > Nine Hero Teams, each with gameplay quirks that are more diverse than just difficulty. > The game is still divided into stages, but there is no specific stage order. > Normal stages are meant to be revisited to open new paths. The Chao Garden is back. > There is a final stage that is even longer than Eggmanland. > The final boss role is divided among nine adversaries attacking the player's chosen team together while supporting one another, each possessing unique powers and weaknesses.

>>40300 That sounds cool >The game is still divided into stages, but there is no specific stage order. How would that work? Like the cyberspace portals?

Alright, I'll do it.

>>40268 >>40271 There was one confirmation: despite Whisper's Extreme Gear being in, turns out she isn't in at all.

>>40303 That doesn't confirm she isn't in the game, it only confirms that she's not in this assets archive. Which I think one of the leakers actually alluded to, but they really should have been more clear

>Sonic Shuffle's Story mode is singleplayer only I really want to try that game since it's story seems interesting, but the reputation it has for cheating bots really puts me off from it and I really don't feel right using cheats on it.

>>40305 >party game >single player only Isn't that a weird decision?

>>40306 There's a multiplayer mode, but if you want to do the story, it's single player only. If you want to try the multiplayer, we could probably try setting it up through Parsec sometime.

>>40307 That sounds like a cool idea. I don't know much about the game so I'm kinda afraid lol but I would be interested in giving it a shot

>>40299 Lucky Star

Charmy the Bee Amy the Rose

Decided to bite the bullet and started playing Sonic Shuffle. I had honestly assumed it was going to be a hidden gem ruined by unfair bots, but it was nothing of the sort, the bots weren't that bad (though I had set them to easy) but the gameplay itself is just boring. The premise and story sound interesting, but when you're actually playing you barely feel like you're doing anything beyond moving around a board and occasionally playing mediocre minigames and the game goes on for so long that you lose all motivation to keep going. If Maginaryworld is just shitty boardgames, it isn't worth saving. I still want to try to go further in the game to progress the story somewhat, but I don't think there's a story good enough to be capable of making up for that level of blandness. Maybe the multiplayer's good, but if I were a Sonic fan back in 2000, I'd've been depressed if this were the only thing to come out of the franchise for an entire year while rumors of Sega's collapse mounted. They should've taken this game's assets and story and made a turn bases RPG out of it. I don't hate this game, it's just boring, not bad, but I understand why people hate it and I'd probably view it far less favorably if I weren't a Sonic fan. Also Dreamcast Emulation is still shitty enough to where the textures were all fucked up.

>>40311 So I'm guessing you're no longer interested in trying the multiplayer? Anyways, that sounds like about what I expected, and I think the appeal of this type of game comes with interacting with other people in the first place, rather than the game proper

>>40312 I'd still want to give multiplayer a try, but if I have no way to interact with the other players, it won't be any different than playing with bots.

>>40313 Figures

>>40315 What is Tails?

>>40316 the onahole

>>40316 The best! <3

>>40305 Jesus, that art looks like bootleg/amateur Uekawa art.

>>40300 >A visit to Silver's good future This is something that I don't think will ever happen. >Normal stages are meant to be revisited to open new paths I love this if done well. I think it was Colors that did something like it when you unlocked new Wisps and it was great. This is a nice, organic way to extend the game's length instead of Sonic Team's attempts that block progress until you collect shit and such. >There is a final stage that is even longer than Eggmanland. >mfw

>>40320 The Adventure games did it too but it's very light and doesn't amount to much. Colors did it much better, even if it's only in 2D, the acts are fun to explore

>>40299 I honestly thought they were doing a Jurassic Park crossover when I saw this.

>>40322 Good point, it's surprising they aren't >starring Shadow the Hedgehog and a big dinosaur

We finally got the opening in good quality. it's shit

>>40324 It's so much better though, it doesn't sound glitchy anymore at least. I love the beginning of the song but it gets progressively less interesting. Also the video itself is kinda boring, the areas they show are too small and not colorful or pretty enough, normally it's much more breathtaking. I wonder if Marza is behind this one too. I also kinda wish they would have spent more time showing the characters do stuff as that's always a lot of fun, but I understand they have to show other aspects too.

>>40324 Sounds okay, but Cross the Worlds is kind of a dumb name for a song.

>No Rumble Release Date in sight >Crossworlds is the only game coming out this year and there's barely any news for it right now >No Movie News whatsoever >A bunch of collabs that nobody gives a shit about have been announced Why is Sonic so boring this year?

>>40324 >shadow goes out of a portal directly into another portal I wonder what that's about. >>40327 I guess it wasn't very realistic to expect them to keep up the kind of pace they were having. Still I wish there was more stuff going on to discuss with you fags.

>>40328 >shadow goes out of a portal directly into another portal >I wonder what that's about. Probably to get people's expectations in line with reality when it comes to how long the crossworlds will last for.

So Boring. Nothing exciting at all. 2010s Sonic fans dreamed for times like this.

>>40320 >>40301 >Like the cyberspace portals No gates locking them. You would be able to access many of the stages from the start. It's your choice which one you deal with first. However, you can't unlock everything in a stage right away. You need to explore, get power-ups from other stages. As you explore and fulfill certain conditions, more and more routes would open in the stages: > The "Reverse Speed" ability allows you to be sent backwards by a boost rail, leading to a new route. > The "Swimmer" power-up changes Flight Heroes to Dive Heroes, allowing access to Water Routes. > A power-up that breaks harder walls. > A power-up that allows you to disguise yourself as an enemy unit, enabling access to one of their fortresses. >A hyper jump that helps you reach distant platforms. We could even go beyond power-ups for finding new routes: > Amy: "I heard Eggman appeared in Stage #3! Is that true?" > Big: "That was a big fish in Stage #5. I wonder what happens if someone catches it..." > Rouge: "Hey, guess who wants a night date with you in Stage #7? Don't forget to bring a gift." > Silver: "So I heard today is player_name's birthday. Time sure flies, huh? Or did you make it fly? Whatever, we have to celebrate!" > Letter from 'Real Sonic' : "You never fear the fall? Then prove it. Go jump from the highest peak in the world and survive." > Vector: "But what about that monster from Stage #6? I know it wasn't a priority, but are you just going to leave it there?" > Jet: "A festival will happen in Stage #4 to celebrate great runners. What, you aren't a great runner? That's too bad." > Eggman: "Where is my key to [Secret Route]? Oh, I think I dropped it in Stage #2. I don't need it now, you can have it." > Tails: "You know the spooky rooms with black gooey stuff that appear in some places? Sage said she detected a 'gap' in their space. If only we knew how to peek inside." > Omega: "Those teleporting devices are quickly passing through [Secret Route] before reaching their destination! If only we could slow down time..."

>>40331 Wake me up when Sonic finally meets the Joker.

>>40333 Closest you get is this

>>40329 kek. That makes me wonder, what happened to the servers of the previous racing games? Can you still play e.g. SASRT online these days or did they shut it down?

>>40335 All Stars Racing Transformed still has servers up for PC last I checked, Xbox and PS3 might also be up, but I'm not certain. TSR has servers up, but it's hard to find anyone online on most platforms. The Apple Arcade version of the game still has an active playerbase and receives occasional DLC updates. All Stars Racing has fanservers for Wii and DS, but I doubt anyone uses them. It probably has PC servers as well, but I doubt they're very active.

>>40324 Well the higher quality isn't changing my opinion on it. I like TSR's opening much better. The song here is still catchy though, the only negative thing I can really say about it is that I don't like that the lyrics say "it's Sonic Racing", but whatever lol Before this was uploaded people were saying it was sung by Natewantstobattle for some reason >Takahiro Kai His previous involvement with the series was with composing some songs for Sonic Superstars. If he's the main composer for CrossWorlds now, I wonder if it's because Jun Senoue and Tomoya Ohtani are busy with other projects. I would like Jun Senoue to work on a proper new main series Sonic game where the focus isn't on remixing old tracks, but maybe he doesn't want to be in that kind of role anymore and he prefers the side projects, who knows >>40326 I think it's fine. I was afraid they would call the song itself "It's Sonic Racing", or "Sonic Racing all around the world". What they went with is much better. This sort of thing is unusual for the Sonic series (although not unprecedented, there's Sonic Heroes) >>40328 But they are keeping the pace. CrossWorlds is being made by Sonic Team. The issue is that it isn't as interesting as a proper Sonic game to us fans. I don't understand why they're doing it themselves instead of letting another development studio handle it like they always have before.

>>40337 >I don't like that the lyrics say "it's Sonic Racing" My ears can't help but listen to it as "it's sanic racing" and I hate it. >Natewantstobattle for some reason Kinda makes sense, he did work with Sonic before and seemed kinda capable. >His previous involvement with the series was with composing some songs for Sonic Superstars Surprising they'd give the role to someone without more experience, it feels like an important project that they probably count on doing well considering TSR's sales. >I don't understand why they're doing it themselves instead of letting another development studio handle it like they always have before. Probably because there's now a lot of sales involved and they want to keep a close eye on it.

>>40332 Cool

>>40336 >and receives occasional DLC updates Like what? And why do we never hear about it?

>>40338 Yeah, I just don't understand why everyone kept saying it was him like they knew for sure

>>40340 >Like what? Classic Sonic and a Green Hill track were added a while back, more recently each character got an alternate costume. >And why do we never hear about it? Because nobody plays on Apple Arcade and the people who do play there aren't Sonic fans, but rather kids whose parents are subscribed to the service.

>>40342 Yeah sure but we do hear about the Dream Team updates, and updates for other phone games

>>40343 Since Dream Team's an exclusive it gets all the attention while the TSR port gets overlooked since it's multiplat.

>>40344 Isn't it just called "Sonic Racing", without the Team part? I guess they might keep supporting him alongside CrossWorlds now since it fits the same branding regardless

I hope Frontiers 2 has an opening too. I miss having those in the main games

>>40345 >Isn't it just called "Sonic Racing", without the Team part? Yes. The fact that the new game is titled Sonic Racing: Crossworlds honestly feels like a tactical move to keep Sonic Racing from feeling obsolete. I imagine they'll start copy pasting in tracks and character models into Sonic Racing from Crossworlds shortly after the launch of Crossworlds.

>>40348 I thought it's because they want a consistent brand identity for the racing games, like how Nintendo has "Mario Kart"

>>40349 That too, but if they really wanted that they could've brought back the Sega All Stars series since that also has a good reputation, there's just more advantages to keeping the Sonic Racing branding than bringing back Sega All Stars. >>40347 Given how everything is a monkey's paw with this series, we're going to end up with the most boring opening scene ever made.

>>40350 TSR came out at a bad time and its opening is great though

Why does the song say "steal their souls", how does that fit into a racing game context? I thought I was mishearing this whole time but apparently that's actually what it says

>>40352 Get pounded into oblivion right before the finish line and your soul will feel like it got stolen. its kind of a kart game staple. lol

>>40352 Given that the song was composed by Takahiro Kai, it could be a result of him not having the best understanding of English (assuming he wrote the lyrics). Interestingly, this is only the second time Kai has written a song for a Sonic game (he composed some of Superstars' music) despite working at Sega since 2007.

>>40354 I think after Sonic Adventure they had the singers write the lyrics, but I'm not sure and I doubt there are sources for each song/game. But you might be right I guess that's the result of the series getting more popular again, SEGA is willing to invest more resources into it and so more SEGA employees are working on the games now

>>40355 >more SEGA employees are working on the games now Hopefully this results in us getting a more diverse selection of music. I've heard a lot of people complain about too Ohtani's EDM being overused and that Sonic is sinking too heavily one genre compared to how it was in the 90s and 00s where each game would have substantially different music from the last.

>>40357 I'm not sure if this is true, or that Ohtani is responsible for all EDM. I think the Sonic series still has good music variety actually, they just focus more on EDM lately for whatever reason. Wasn't there less variety in the early 2000s when Senoue was the main composer? I didn't mind since I like his music, but I often wondered if that was the reason they replaced him with Ohtani as the main series composer, I thought they just didn't want Senoue to become synonymous with Sonic's music.

>>40358 Every game we've gotten in the past 10 years has either been remixes of old songs with a few random originals thrown in (Mania, TSR, Origins, Colors Ultimate, SxSG) or loaded with EDM (Forces and Frontiers). I guess there's also Superstars, Dream Team and TMoStH, but those soundtracks are either outright bad or not interesting enough to warrant discussion. >I'm not sure if this is true, or that Ohtani is responsible for all EDM. Maybe he's not, but he's the lead composer in all the games that are plagued by it. >Wasn't there less variety in the early 2000s when Senoue was the main composer? Yes, but you can tell tracks from SA1, SA2, Heroes and Shadow apart just by hearing them while a lot of the level themes in Forces and Frontiers are near indistinguishable as to which game they're from. Not to mention that the Handheld games and spinoffs brought even more musical variety to the table that we just don't get anymore. That being said, Sonic music is still pretty diverse and could be substantially worse.

Guys I said I'll do it! You were supposed to ask the obvious followup question, "do what?"

>>40361 pathetic sort ahead therefore do it!!

>>40360 Frontiers does have genre variety in its music, they mostly use the same type of music depending on the context (open zones, cyberspace, fights, titans). Cyberspace is electronic music, but even that has many differences between each stage. I wish we could say that about their appearance and level design too I like the Forces soundtrack, and I also like what I heard of the Superstars soundtrack but clearly I'm alone on that, everyone else hates it >Every game we've gotten in the past 10 years has either been remixes of old songs with a few random originals thrown in This is part of the wider issue of the Sonic series almost complete lack of originality since 2011 unfortunately. Sonic Generations was a lame rehash and it was so successful the whole series has become a lame rehash of a lame rehash. Colors is one of the most original games in the series and it doesn't get enough credit for it >a lot of the level themes in Forces and Frontiers are near indistinguishable as to which game they're from I disagree with this. I don't have the right words to express this but Forces does have its own identity, and a very strong one at that. There's a certain type of sound (people call them "the Forces synths" and they hate them for some reason) that's used regularly outside of Classic's stages and that's probably a huge part of its identity. I remember Ohtani said those sounds were chosen to represent Eggman and his influence after he took over the world. I wish that could be said for how the game's world looks, too. The Sonic, Avatar and Classic stages also have their own style each. Sonic and the Avatar still feel like they belong in the same game, and Classic still sounds unique even if I don't care about it much. The Avatar in particular is pretty cool in how it uses lyrics to enrich the narrative, similar to Shadow in SA2, although again it sounds different and is better fitting of the character and the game overall. I can't say most of this for the cyberspace soundtrack since most of it is generic music for a generic context, but Forces stands out

Team Vector

sometimes when im wicked tired surfin da webz in bed i get halfway through typing bump the deer into a search bar on an art or fic site before remembering that she is in fact not as well known as konata izumi or samus aran etc

>>40367 I hate him.

>>40367 Sonic is so cool...

>>40369 stupid cool rat

>>40369 A cool breeze

>>40370 Sonic isn't stupid he's actually pretty intelligent, he has an IQ of 3

>>40372 No, that's Sally.

>>40372 AT LEAST 3 It might be 4, for all you know

>>40347 I just want more high quality Sonic animations. Sadly the only way to get them is through openings and trailers. >>40344 >while the TSR port gets overlooked since it's multiplat Do they port the DLC from the Apple Arcade version to the other versions? >>40354 >assuming he wrote the lyrics There's no chance someone without very good understanding of the language could write something as complex as that. >>40361 You won't do it. Faggot.

>>40375 I admit I almost reconsidered earlier today, but no, I WILL do it

>>40375 >/fast/ like "whoa" Is this complex

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlepjTrA6wg Takahiro Kai isn't the only credited composer >Sonic Racing - Cross the Worlds - (Opening ver.) · James Bourne · SEGA GAME MUSIC · SEGA SOUND TEAM · James Bourne · Chez · Yuki Kanesaka · Takahiro Kai · Masashi Tsubakimoto · Yoshiya Ikeda idk who these people are Also I've never seen "SEGA GAME MUSIC" before

>Yuki Kasenaka Composed for the anime series Dr. Stone and Kawagoe Boys Sing. Also wrote the lyrics for this Dr. Stone song, which is in English https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOwUtaHRMYc >Masashi Tsubakimoto Played the guitar on many anime soundtracks https://vgmdb.net/artist/16571 >Yoshiya Ikeda Another anime composer https://vgmdb.net/artist/26943# >Chez I don't know how to find information on someone with this name vgmdb says the main lyrics were written by the singer, James Bourne, which is in line with my assumption and what I know of other Sonic games. It also says the rap parts were written by Chez and Yuki Kasenaka (who would have been my second guess given the Dr. Stone song credit) https://vgmdb.net/album/150889 >Performed by James Bourne of Busted >Music by Takahiro Kai >Lyrics by James Bourne >Rap Lyrics by Chez & Yuki Kanesaka >Music Arranged by Masashi Tsubakimoto & Yoshiya Ikeda >Sound Produced by Jun Senoue I don't know where vgmdb got the credits from though. Maybe some other site I haven't checked like Spotify or something

>>40365 >Solo Vector in the Olympic games >Vector as part of Team Rose in Free Riders >Team Vector in TSR >Vector appearing in Sonic Boom for some reason, redesign and all I like Vector, but why do they keep putting him everywhere without the rest of the Chaotix? Is someone at Sonic Team biased towards him?

>>40382 He was designed as a standalone character in 1991, right?

>>40383 Yeah he was supposed to be part of Sonic's band in the first game before they scrapped that, so i guess he gets some bonus points for being technically one of the oldest characters in the series. All of the Chaotix were intended as standalone characters before Heroes grouped them together though, with Charmy being from a manga (same one where Amy comes from) while Espio was created for Knuckles Chaotix specifically iirc, the comics made them a team but in the game they all just happened to be there on their own according to the manual, so it's still a bit odd that apparently only Vector gets to do stuff without them, or that they never bothered to reuse any of the other band members for that matter. Also, i know Espio appeared by himself in Fighters and Rivals 2 but the former was before the Chaotix were a thing, and still way less than Vector.

>>40365 >CHADctor without the literally whos bringing him down >paired with STACYze and GODver Based.

>>40384 They brought back the rabbit prototype design, I guess that means the band could be brought back at any time

>>40352 >Why does the song say "steal their souls", how does that fit into a racing game context? This game is happening in the afterlife.

>>40357 >I've heard a lot of people complain about too Ohtani's EDM being overused It gets rather tiring sometimes, to be honest. He can compose some amazing melodies sometimes but between the fact that not all of them are hits and that it often doesn't sound distinctive enough, I would find something else refreshing. >>40366 I've been surprised by Bump pics in some unexpected places before, lol.

>I'm Sonic! Sonic the Hedgehog! Why is this line, or variations of it, so hard to write for westerners?

>>40390 so is this the sonic equivalent of walking into a room and verbally declaring your ethnicity

>>40391 No, it's just his name. I guess someone could be called Anonymous the Nigger or something though

>>40390 A bit cheesy for modern standards maybe. >>40391 Sonic is slightly autistic, please understand.

>>40393 >A bit cheesy for modern standards maybe. How? Also we just got a song which lyrics are the cheesiest this series has ever been

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFDJ6zMyq-k >Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds - Animation Teaser I thought it was going to be comedic again like the TSR animation, but it looks like they want to make it look cool and serious this time

>>40394 He repeats his name twice with such pride and stating his species. He sounds like a huge dork and I kinda love it >Also we just got a song which lyrics are the cheesiest this series has ever been Oh man I don't know if they're the cheesiest, but they're pretty cheesy. Still the original question was about westerners and it sounds like the music for this was managed by Japs.

>>40396 James Bourne wrote the main lyrics, Chez and Yuki Kanesaka wrote the rap parts >>40380

>>40395 Awesome, I was hoping they'd do another animation, looking forward to it!

>>40375 >Do they port the DLC from the Apple Arcade version to the other versions? No, Apple Arcade is the only platform with a playerbase large enough to warrant it

>>40399 People actually use Apple Arcade?

>>40399 Right, but supposedly the game's code and assets is the same for all platforms. It wouldn't cost much to get it to the other platforms as well to at least get something to bring attention back to the game again.

>>40401 Looks pretty different to me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rABxUtqoyHI&list=PLqDiefcQeBXiZKCWiVqo_ddGPNIDNr0GR

I just learned the name Orange Roofs was used in an English release

>>40402 Huh, what the fuck, did they pull another UnWiished?

>>40404 They did something like that with the Tokyo 2020 game (they made a Marioless game for phones)

>>40405 pretty based

>>40407 I'd prefer if they did that in general. They shouldn't have whored out to Mario like that, if they weren't going to do a platformer crossover they shouldn't have bothered with Nintendo

The last time I played Gens was so many years ago and now that I'm playing it again it's interesting to me how much my interests changed. I used to find Classic boring and preferred the Modern gameplay and going fast, but nowadays I find myself preferring exploration and taking it slow rather than boosting to win even if it means bad scores. And I can't help but notice how bad I've gotten at playing this kek I step on all the hazards, I didn't use to be this bad. Have you found your interests changing over time as well?

>>40390 >I'm Sonic! Sonic the Hedgehog! Where is his source?

>>40402 >The tracks all have different layouts and names I hope they port these layouts into Crossworlds or wherever so they won't become lost media if the game ever gets delisted. >>40403 Given that Sega Hardlight (Sonic Racing's developers) have a decent number of Sonic fans among their ranks, that name had to be left like that intentionally.

>>40412 I used to be dismissive and biased against boost games, I didn't want to allow myself to enjoy them because I blamed those games for the lack of a proper "SA3". I've come to realize that was silly and that I was missing out on some fun games I enjoy

>>40416 The Japanese manuals

>>40417 I wonder if Hardlight wants to make proper games that have nothing to do with phones. Dream Team really gives me this impression. It would be great to have a western team working on proper Sonic games while Sonic Team is able to focus their effort on their own games

>>40412 i used to like sage more but now i like bump more

Bump

>>40457 What about her?

God dammit, did no one think to save the fucking Mega Drive #3 pages that Matt Herms had on his now deleted Patreon? Or the original version of Endangered Species and other cut/cancelled Archie stuff he had on there?

>>40457 cute doe

>>40459 Just Bump. >>40460 >Patreon No, sorry. I think I have the stuff ABT dumped though.

>>40462 Is there such a thing as an unjust Bump?

>>40460 I never heard about this before but I'd be surprised if none of the Archiefags saved them

Sonic games are fun

>>40466 But how many of them would be fun if Sonic weren't in them?

>>40468 The same amount. But the character actually is important, this is a character-based series and the characters and their abilities and even personalities influence how the gameplay is designed

>>40468 I sure as fuck wouldn't be staying around.

Colors has the superior zone structure. 6 acts per zone is best. 2 acts is unsatisfying, it just isn't enough

>>40471 >2 acts is unsatisfying When a zone has a unique gimmick two acts is never enough to fully flesh it out in and if Sonic is going fast enough, two acts means you barely got to experience that zone. Come to think of it, has there ever been a zone (that wasn't the millionth reuse of Green Hill or Chemical Plant) that has gone on long enough to overstay its welcome?

>>40472 I think a lot of people feel that way about Labyrinth (and the end of Scrap Brain since it's basically more Labyrinth). But I like Labyrinth so that definitely isn't me lol I guess 3 acts is good for the 2D games, the length of Sonic 1 zones and Metropolis feels good to me, while I wish the other zones had more

>>40473 I'm willing to excuse Labyrinth Zone (and Blue Marine Zone from Blast, another hated one) as an early series growing pain given that none of the other classic zones feel like they go on for too long. >>40471 Supposedly Colors was originally meant to have fewer, longer acts at some point in development and I can't help but wonder why they split it up and if it's truly better split up.

>>40474 I think they split them up so they could hide more Red Star Rings without overwhelming players with too many hidden collectibles in a single act. I think it was a good decision Also people like to claim that Colors should have had only 2 mandatory acts while the others were optional side missions, but they're just like normal acts. Colors still has optional side acts in the form of Game Land. Colors just has more content than other Sonic games

>>40469 I wouldn't have played Secret Rings to completion if it weren't a Sonic game or even touched stuff like the 8 bit games or Spinball if they didn't have Sonic branding. But for more middle of the road stuff like Heroes it's hard to say if I'd enjoy it the same if it didn't have Sonic.

>>40476 I'd be less likely to give the games a chance if they were all individual characters that I'm unfamiliar with, but one of the reasons I like Sonic to begin with is that I like platformers, so I am interested in platformers regardless. But I also really like Sonic on top of liking platformers, so I'm more likely to play Sonic

>>40474 If you actually explore Labyrinth and learn the mechanics and shortcuts you can beat each act in about a minute or a minute and 40 seconds for the third act, it's intentionally designed this way, it tries to slow down inexperienced players but you can still go fast like in the other zones What is Blue Marine like? I haven't played Blast and I never saw anyone talk about it

>>40462 >I think I have the stuff ABT dumped though. Post some of that >>40468 Quite a few of them are pretty solid. I will say that there wouldn't be as many diehards for the bad games

>>40479 >the bad games No one can agree which those are btw

>>40478 >What is Blue Marine like? I haven't played Blast and I never saw anyone talk about it It's horrible, it's a water level where you have to go through a maze of pipes and deal with currents you can't see all while not having air bubbles.

>>40472 It feels really inefficient too. For each zone you need to create a lot of unique assets and sometimes gameplay elements, and if you just throw it all out after 2 levels it feels so wasteful. No wonder the games feel like they don't include enough content in them. >has there ever been a zone (that wasn't the millionth reuse of Green Hill or Chemical Plant) that has gone on long enough to overstay its welcome? I feel like this about City Escape a bit, I guess not because it has truly been overused or because it was too long but because the song has gotten so popular and has been sung so many times in so many different places that I'm a bit tired of it all.

>>40479 Here you go. These are the files he posted, but I think a fan group ended up recreating the entire issue with Antoine somewhere and I can't find whether I saved it. They even colored it and it was fantastic.

>>40482 I've had it on my mind near constantly for 14 years, but I don't mind

>>40483 >>40485 >>40486 These are amazing. And these were years ago back when Archie still had the license >>40483 >I think a fan group ended up recreating the entire issue with Antoine somewhere and I can't find whether I saved it. They even colored it and it was fantastic. If you ever find it, please do post it

>>40488 I found it, I wonder if I should storytime it here. Probably not worth a thread for a single issue

Last Night I had a dream that Tomoko Kuroki was added to Crossworlds as a DLC character.

>>40491 And it's unironically more likely than any Sonic character that isn't already in

>>40492 You're right: much like with Miku, Sega Toys already makes Tomoko figurines so getting the license to put her in the game wouldn't be too difficult.

>>40493 Huh, I didn't know that lol

>>40495 Imagine being an unpopular Japanese high school girl, then suddenly you're entered into a cross-dimensional race with talking animals.

Someone made a beat'em up game with what is clearly a knockoff of Tails. Leave it to the Chinese to make the most blatant of ripoffs.

>>40497 Tails was already cool, they didn't need to forcefully make him "cool" What is the gameplay like?

>>40498 Side scrolling beat'em up. Not like Streets of rage where you can move up and down but actual 2d side scrolling.

>>40499 I see From the screenshot I thought it had 3D movement lol

>>40497 porn game?

>>40497 God, I keep seeing this everywhere on YouTube. It just won't leave me be.

>>40502 Same here, I think the algorithm thinks it's a Sonic game so it recommends it to me because I've watched a lot of Sonic related videos.

>>40501 It does look like the premise to a lewd scene lol >>40499 Is it fun?

>>40490 Well fuck it, here it goes. Sonic Universe 95 Fan Restoration Storytime

>>40507 Swords are fucking cool.

>>40509 And that's sadly it. I really liked this thing, what did you fags think about it?

>>40510 Last few additional pages from the artists.

>>40502 This pose gives me Narutaru flashbacks and I don't like thinking about anything Mohiro Kitoh does.

>>40520 What did he do?

>>40521 He was asking for it.

>>40285 They just released the full version! Reads from right to left.

>>40522 In a positive way or a negative way?

>>40524 Yes.

>>40525 The trophy

>>40523 >>40525 >>40527 This is some nice art.

>>40522 Naughty

>>40523 >>40525 >>40527 Cool! Nice to see something from Imada fully colored Also cute Tails, as always

>>40497 Oh I saw that this morning. Didn't know that game's supposed to be new >>40327 The anniversary is next year >>40352 https://genius.com/Capcom-sound-team-devils-never-cry-staff-roll-lyrics

>>40532 Oh, it's steel lol. Cool, I didn't know that expression Meanwhile the Sonic wiki on Fandom "corrected" it to "steal their shows" Devil May Cry seems like a cool series, maybe I'll check it out someday

>>40533 It absolutely is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRxfjfmyQL0 https://x.com/Randomguy9991/status/1941990739296092249 Just got an artist friend to make this after commissioning him a drawing of Teagan for Uncommon Time's 10th anniversary stream next month. Having showed off the first drawing in /vhs/'s movie night cytube, the eccentric fellow in charge, Jack is a noted big Amy fan (among other things, hence the BBQ Pit Boy shirt) and suggested the drawing being made in response. I was not expecting SMS to seriously follow up on it and so soon after showing him their reactions. Said making the Amy drawing cheered him up after a 4th of July injury.

>>40536 Cool Amy

>>40536 She probably made her gloves all greasy and dirty

>>40539 i will clean them off with my tongue

>>40539 You expect her to undress in public?

>>40552 She shows her panties in public all the time, she'll be fine.

>>40553 Panties, shmanties. Are you seriously trying to compare someone's crotch to their UNGLOVED HANDS?

so is sage letting her claws hang out the sonic equivalent of a nopan neet

>>40555 Bump and Sage have Archie hair, they run on Archie rules

>>40556 Well everyone in Archie is a slut, so...

>>40555 If Sage wore gloves, I envision her wearing mittens, sort of like Knuckles.

>>40558 Do you think anyone plays with Knuckle's unmittened hand nipples?

>>40558 oh maybe that's why she doesn't wear them because it's hard to play vidya and shitpost in mittens

>>40559 Ooo, is this your sensitive spot, Knuckie?~

>>40563 Never say that again.

Who's the least healthy Sonic Character?

>>40565 probably tails have you seen how fat that kid is?

>>40566 That mutant second tail can't be all that healthy either

How well would Sonic gameplay work as a metroidvania? The only examples that come to mind are Jazz Jackrabbit 2 (decent) and the 3ds Sonic Boom games (haven't played them).

>>40566 It's not actual unhealthy fat, it's just because he's small and cute

>>40568 I tried playing them and I found them extremely uninteresting

>>40569 yeah keep tellin urself that miles

>>40555 Someone needs to do a 1 page comic about Vanilla discriminating against mobians that don't cover their hands/feet/blobs. >>40565 Sticks probably eats literal garbage. Also, Eggman no doubt has the technology to fix his body so that he doesn't look obese, why does he choose to remain like that?

>>40568 Depending on how well it's conceived and constructed, possibly very well. It might even "sell" classic Sonic gameplay to newbies. One of the "problems" with 2D Sonic games is that they're understood to the general public as "Go Fast: The Game" but in practice until you've learned the level it's no faster than say Mario 3/World. Having to repeat stages (by traveling back in forth rather than because of dying) might help more people "get it". Probably the best way to go about it is Paper Mario style where Sonic collects his friends instead of upgrades and you switch between them to access new areas. You could justify having a huge cast of playable and semi-playable characters that way and really get the use out of the entire Sonic crew.

>>40577 Maybe people just hate repetition? I like repetition, if it's something I enjoy to begin with repeating it makes it more enjoyable, so I actually enjoy playing Sonic in that sense. But I get the feeling most people when they play video games just want to constantly and regularly see things that look unique on the surface without exploring them in depth

>>40577 >>40578 I've been getting back into Sonic and the repetition thing is something that I started noticing a lot more. I'm used to shooters more than anything, where the skill is basically defeating enemies with weapons so you're not as dependent on pre acquired knowledge about the level, but here you definitely need to replay and repeat stages to get to know them and then play based on that in order to feel 'skilled'. I've always loved exploring levels anyway, but in the case of shooters you can move relatively freely whereas here you're constrained by the (comparatively) awkward level design that mandates where you can go and what routes you can take, so this can make exploring frustrating since you can't do whatever you want, specially in Modern games where everything has a boost pad mandating direction. These days I'm extremely short on time compared to other moments where I've played Sonic so I guess this is why I'm noticing this more now, it's a bit frustrating having had the experience of other games where this isn't needed. I guess this also highlights the importance of high quality level design, artwork, and music, I ain't replaying that shit if it's boring and uninteresting, it has a lot more weight when your game depends on people having to replay the same thing over and over.

>>40578 >>40579 Well I'm definitely more of the explorer type but I'm meticulous nook & cranny explorer so I like to take in everything. The game that the 2D Sonics most remind me of is Ironsword oddly enough. It's got a lot of repetitive play, within individual stages, not so much because you die but because if you don't hit your jumps correctly you'll end up at the very bottom again and you'll have to do it all over. There's some kind of hidden routes required to progress so you have go over the stage with a fine tooth comb sometimes. In my dreams I am STILL stuck in the Fire Caverns. But yeah Sonic games' whole thing is that you want to move fast and the mechanics allow you to do so but you have to practice to actually be able to do so competently. I think a lot of people expect Sonic to play like it was a side scrolling run and gun/platformer hybrid where you're always moving forward and instead they get a regular platformer that so happens to let you speed through it once you've replayed the stage or the whole game a dozen times.

>>40580 I think a lot of players miss out on the exploration aspect too. This is why I think the medals, and better yet the Red Star Rings, are a good addition to the series. They make it clear that there is an exploration aspect, and give more objectives in the stages. The Silver Moon Rings and Number Rings are good too

I just realized Shadow Generations doesn't have Red Star Rings. It's probably the first Sonic game that doesn't have them since they were introduced. It has other types of collectibles though, I suppose they wanted to differentiate it as a Shadow game

Chao need to be collectible more often.

>>40583 That's a funny hiding spot lol

/sthg/ rate my open zone level design please

>>40586 i cant tell if im looking at this from side on or top down which i think means youre hired

>>40587 It's top down. Sorry for not making it clear enough.

>>40586 All I see is dicks. This is very gay.

>>40589 you might be gay anon....

>>40590 a homosexual? in the sonic community? say it ain't so

>>40586 Is the stuff on the left supposed to be rails

>>40568 Haven't played it but Sonic Chrono Adventure is a metroidvania, i've heard it's good. Also i think Sonic CD would've worked better as a metroidvania.

>>40593 That's LakeFepard third Sonic fangame, right? I completely forgot about it

>>40592 Nope. The gray stuff is just cliffs

>>40595 Oh I see. Anyway it would need to be way bigger to be an "open zone" I wish I could actually design a stage. I remember someone here brought up the idea of doing a level design competition of sorts and I still think it would be fun but idk how we would even begin with something like that

>>40596 >Oh I see. Anyway it would need to be way bigger to be an "open zone" I know. That MS paint drawing was just a small platforming section that you would find all around the open zone. >I still think it would be fun but idk how we would even begin with something like that We could do something like SRB2's Official Level Design Collab but by modding a Sonic game like Shadow Gens for example. You only need Blender to make custom levels for that game. https://youtu.be/ZQq9hYJGCfM?si=8tquCv-rMoax9mhL

I don't like the way character development is conceptualized in Ian's script for Frontiers. I haven't paid enough attention to the comics to comment on them but I get the feeling this is a problem with Ian's writing in general I'm even starting to dislike the phrase "character development" itself. I don't want to see the character "develop" in front of me, I want to see how the character is and how the character reacts to different situations

>>40597 I was looking at a tutorial for custom levels in SA2 and it also mainly uses Blender with a plugin, but the tutorial didn't show how to place objects like Rings or springs, makes me wonder if it's not that simple then

>>40600 >makes me wonder if it's not that simple then I can see that since there are way less custom SA2 levels than there are for Frontiers or Shadow Gens. I already used Blendhog to make a simple test level for Frontiers and that was pretty easy to do since all you have to do is drag and drop already existing assets.

>>40602 I see. I might try Frontiers then. Did you use some specific tutorial or was it intuitive enough? Also I don't think I've seen any full open zone mods still. Like that use a fully custom model for the environment and have custom challenges and stuff, I assume it's theoretically possible and it hasn't been done yet because it's too much work

Hey wait a second. There was a fan project a few years ago that was basically an easy mode Sonic level creator, the fuck happened with it? It was looking really cool.

>>40604 Oh yeah I forgot about Sonic Studio Looks like it's still in development https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkx00Qd43qdsuqbmk_0XN7qR9KyxJ_E_W41

>>40605 Yeah I think that's it. It was looking really polished years ago, at this point it feels like they're stalling to see if Sega hires them or something.

>>40603 >Did you use some specific tutorial or was it intuitive enough? I mainly used https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQq9hYJGCfM but I also looked up general Blender tutorials as most of the level design is done with simple 3D modelling. >I assume it's theoretically possible and it hasn't been done yet because it's too much work Correct

>>40606 Yeah it's so polished, I was wondering why he hasn't released it, he could keep updating it along the way while people use it. Your theory makes sense. But I think Iizuka said he doesn't want a Mario Maker like game for whatever reason

>>40608 >Iizuka said he doesn't want a Mario Maker like game for whatever reason Iizuka will change his mind based on his convenience. My guess is that they probably feel threatened by it, but one way or another this is going to exist now (supposedly, it'll soon be a fucking decade of nothing but hot air) so it's not his choice anymore. It's gonna be interesting to see how they react.

>>40609 I don't think they would actually. We don't usually see official reactions to fan projects besides the social media team congratulating them and that one time Kishimoto was on Twitter and mentioned them in an interview