Where do I find a japanese audio fansubbed batch of the original series?

Skip 769 and 770. You dont miss much and Oden havent confront Orochi despite the preview. Hell, I doubt 771 will have Kaido fighting

>>284 >best girl videl she is a good needy whore but too slut. she didn't knew who got her pregnant saying >the baby in my stomach is going to be a saiyajin... probably. >gohan : so you are having my baby >videl:i think is yours...no i'm sure is yours

>>300 Same. Vegeta is a far more interesting character. Him or Turles. .

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>favorite show/manga Budokai 1 for the gamecube >favorite character(s) Teen Gohan >best girl Bulma >favorite track attached >favorite dub (including the Jap versions) English, spanish seems good >favorite villain(s) Cell >favorite arc Namek

>favorite character Generic answer would be Goku, but I liked Bardock a lot. I liked Krillin and Tien a lot though >best girl Tough one, I liked early Z Bulma (long hair and big tiddies) and when she's on the spaceship in her underwear I'll admit. Videl has some very good fanart and a good outfit, and is a spunky spats-wearing tomboy but I never paid much attention to her as a character I'll admit. Years ago I used to think Pan was cute even though I never watched GT. Malon was one sexy bitch for a brief period of time. >dub English, it's what I grew up with >favorite villain Dunno, I guess Frieza? Possibly Broly. Both just made things feel ridiculous with how powerful and oppressively evil and villainous they were. >favorite arc Namek, specifically for the best and iconic parts of it. >>1306 Agreed with Budokai 1 and the OST, the show had say too many problems to watch, I dunno how people stomached such things, they would literally put in filler parts between fight scenes and completely fuck up the pacing and it was just fucking boring and slow as balls Remember reading the manga as a kid, was bretty cool but budokai just handles it too well

>>280 >favorite show/manga It's wrong to think of Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z as different shows, since they just adapted the same manga but changed the title partway through. I generally like the anime more than the manga because I like a lot of the filler, like Gohan training with Piccolo. Obviously the original manga and its accompanying anime is better than GT and Super. I'm tempted to count GT as part of the original anime as well, since the creators of the anime clearly intended it to be, it continued in Z's timeslot the next week, like nothing happened, but I suppose the lack of manga to adapt does make it different enough for me to count it as a different series. >favorite character(s) True patricians understand the role each character plays is important. Goku is sometimes plain, but sometimes they do something interesting with his purity and how he influences others. His effect on Piccolo is probably the most interesting example. I guess that means Piccolo is a more interesting character, though. Also, Mr. Satan is the real best character and the real best hero. Also the most powerful, since he's the only named character who doesn't die in the entire manga. >best girl I was gonna say Videl until someone here pointed out that she wasn't sure if the baby was Gohan's. Bulma has some good looks, admittedly, but is also a slut, and Homey don't play that. Chi Chi and 18 both have loyalty. Which is hotter? Depends. Chi Chi got old and less hot. Can we blame her? 18 stays hot longer, even if she is less hot in GT. But if we get to freeze into a specific era, then the hottest is Chi Chi in the Pilaf arc. >favorite track Cliche answer, I know, but I gotta go with Cha La Head Cha La. >favorite dub (including the Jap versions) Then the original Jap dub. >favorite villain(s) To eliminate the worst and leave just the best, I'd say the top tier are General Blue, Tenshinhan, Piccolo, Vegeta, and Frieza. Now, I know the last three are a million times more popular, but Blue did a good job being funny when he needed to be and threatening when he needed to be. Tenshinhan facilitated an effective character arc that ends up feeling more deliberate than the very similar arc that Piccolo and Vegeta later go through. Then again, Piccolo and Vegeta obviously get to do much more overall, and thus get more fleshed out. I even like how Vegeta continues his arc in Super, where he has, very slowly, become the most heroic character of all, even more than Goku. Sometimes this takes the form of taking his family to an amusement park, other times it takes the form of expressing sincere regret for his former atrocities, years later, and working hard to try to make up for them, just a little bit. On the other hand, I think Piccolo has the most thematic value. When Piccolo first appears, he takes over the world and makes crime legal, and through threats and fostering an environment of fear and violence, he encourages people to give in to their base desires of evil, and in doing so, they become his Mazoku, his Demon Tribesmen. Piccolo encourages people to be evil, and when they give in entirely to evil, they become literal demons. Notably, Mazoku do have magic abilities, as someone killed by a Mazoku does not go to the afterlife. However, Goku is the opposite of Piccolo (or since Piccolo is introduced later, it should be said Piccolo is the opposite of Goku). Goku encourages people to be good, through his sheer example of purity. Practically every character in the series begins as an antagonist, from Bulma shooting Goku in the face when she first sees him, to Yamcha being a bandit, to Krillin being underhanded and Tenshinhan being the villain of a whole arc. And then to Piccolo, literally being The Devil. But Goku brings out the goodness in all of them, including Piccolo, to the degree that Piccolo loses his status as a Mazoku, since he now has good in him. And with that spark of good in him, Gohan, Goku's son, raised to be good like him, helps that spark grow until Piccolo eventually becomes pure good. Piccolo is an excellent foil of a villain because with what he symbolizes, pure evil, bringing out the evil in others, he shows what Goku actually represents, that being pure good, or perhaps the goodness of purity, and how that is able to bring out the good in others. It almost feels like Toriyama actually thought about actual themes and shit during the Piccolo arc. But of course, he was never too on the nose with it. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he forgot the actual themes he was originally intending before he even finished the character arc that displayed them (that being Piccolo's arc). But I do think it's the best example of actual themes shining through in the story. >favorite arc I like how the Red Ribbon arc is effectively split into fun little mini arcs that are all pretty cool in their own right. But really, the thing I really like about the series is that it covers the protagonist's entire life. Discounting Super, since that goes back in time and kind of screws it up, even up to the end of GT, it all does a good job at feeling like one long arc, and when Goku goes off with Shenron, it feels like a successful culmination to that arc, even if it is vague and weird and unclear. And frankly, I'd even include Super in with all that, once it's actually done. It all adds more detail and richness to the story. I like that. But the Tournament of Power sucks and is the worst arc. By a very wide margin.

Dude, ignore the bad advice and opinions given to you here. Watch the dubbed one if you want, i cant speak on the kai and funi dub since i grew up with the ocean one and hate them both but clearly "some" effort was put into them, and buy the official dvds if you liked it enough to want to do that. You always have the option of dowloading the dubs(all versions of them) from internet archive if you cant find the dvds.

>>1367 >bad opinions >recommending original anime >where filler literally interrupts the pacing of fights Ah yes, what I needed in the subsequent episode start was 6 minutes of Roshi talking about some random bullshit back on earth right after the last episode ended with Goku fucking turning super saiyan

>>1368 That's not even what he's talking about. What he's talking about is saying the dub is fine. If you're an illiterate retard, then sure. Otherwise, no. Also, the Saiyan arc in particular loses a lot of impact if you don't see all the filler of Gohan training with Piccolo. Having some extra footage of Goku training with Kaio helps, too. The worst filler isn't even cutting away to other characters/scenes that aren't in the manga, it's when things that are in the manga are just extended but with no real substance. New sequences added to stretch out fights is one thing, but additional screaming to stretch out powerup sequences is another. You could argue it builds tension, but I suppose if I was gonna cut anything, it would be that. Ideally, I'd watch a cut with most of the filler cut, but the things that are entire filler stories, I would actually keep. They don't have to ever be referenced again to be good. The episode early in the Saiyan arc where Gohan hangs out with some robot he finds is great, even if it's filler and never referenced again. (Also it was cut completely from the original English dub, so most English speaking viewers didn't even get to see it at the time.) But it's a good story on its own and a good showcase for his character, while also letting you actually see some of his character growth instead of having most of it happen off-screen, like in the manga.

>>1369 Tbh, nothing that was cut from the original ocean dub really made any difference after it was put back in the later dubs. And people can shit on it all they want but if it werent for it being as well done by them DBZ would likely be another obscure anime with limited popularity in america but hugely popular in mexican countries like Ronin Warriors.

>>1370 >editing works good and doesn't make any difference! your brain on dubshit lol

>>1373 For this one editing worked good. Not always the case, but here it did. Deal with it.

>>1370 Look, I grew up with the Ocean dub. I even watched that mid-'90s dub of the original Dragon Ball, before Z got brought over here. Since that was frequently shown at like 6am, I just assumed that I missed a ton of episodes that Z was referencing, but at least I understood some basics from that earlier dub. It was many years before I went back and watched the subtitled version. For as much nostalgia as I had for the Ocean dub, I was instantly shocked at how much better the original was. How much I was missing that whole time. It's like they went and ruined it on purpose. Which they did, as they censored it to hell and back. It's better than nothing, but it sucks compared to the original. The fact that it's watchable is only a testament to how good the original series is. The Funimation dub sucks balls. They're hypocritical SJW hacks. Most of them can only do a couple voices and many of their characters sound too similar to each other. Many of those voices do not match the characters very well, and make the characters come off significantly different than intended. Also, it's ridiculous that now they try to act like they were the original English dub, with things like Schemmel trying to say he was the original English Goku, when they were just continuing from a near-arbitrary point in the Ocean dub, and even by that point the Ocean dub had already been through a couple of Gokus. At least Peter Kelamis is actually okay at standup, and Ian James Corlett has some other notable and memorable roles. Sean Schemmel sucks. He's a bad imitator, and a hypocritical SJW hack. But the Ocean dub still sucks too. Original is always best. I'd rather see the original creators' intent, rather than have it filtered through some nobodies. The less filtering, the better.

>>1376 >original intent ah yes, the original intent of having a literal grandmother (Albeit a skilled one who tries her best) voice a muscular, superpowered grown man, along with the most campy and generic music of the 90s, in an adaptation that basically fucks up the original to a laughable extent Some of the VAs were more skilled and potentially better fitting in the sub (i.e. Japanese Vegeta is pretty good and Piccolo is pretty solid), but that doesn't matter when the literal protagonist is voiced by an old woman who was only intended to voice Goku as a child and then they just kept her on when he was an adult for whatever reason. Krillin also sounds like a literal child/Japanese Aang (voiced by Luffy's VA) when he was a grown man. Not to mention that the original OST is fucking terrible and laughably generic, campy bullshit that you would hear in every cartoon or anime in the 90s, as compared to Faulconer who is also nothing, compared to Budokai's OST >original creator's intent Original creator's intent my ass, go look at the manga and tell me that the anime adaptation wasn't already a massive filtering by nobodies, regardless of the fact that its subbed or dubbed.

>>1374 >outright cutting content >good under any circumstances the brain on dubshit

>>1382 Cutting content that had no real impact to the overall story since most cut content was related to characters that watchers would have no familiarity with. Whatever dude.

>>1379 Keeping the kid voices as the characters age has its purpose. Also, as you try to claim Toriyama didn't intend it, note that he even specifically had Goku point out, in the manga, that Yajirobe sounds like Krillin, since Krillin just died and he wanted to make sure the actress that played him continued to have a job. He does consider the anime voices, at the very least for Krillin and Yajirobe, to be their real voices. And if he's counting those characters, I really don't think he wouldn't count Goku. Now, you could say it doesn't matter what the creator intended, if the other work is better, but unfortunately the various English voice actors aren't better. And that's discounting the sense of continuity you get with having one actor play the character forever. Your assessment of the music is ridiculous, but music is subjective enough, and I'm not well versed enough in music terminology, to argue it effectively. You can have your subjective opinion, but most disagree. I'd also prefer to keep the original creators' intents here. I'd rather get the tones they were going for than the tones some random retards on the other side of the world were going for. The anime certainly does change the creator's intent to a degree. However, the creator was at least tangentially involved. He was aware and generally signed off on things. Sometimes there are things that probably don't mesh with his intent much. Why amplify that by preferring a dub made by people who think they're better than the creator and don't just make up new stuff, but deliberately change what was originally intended? Hell, I'd rather watch what the creators of the anime intended, without Toriyama, than what the creators of the dub intended. But go ahead and eat their SJW shit. >>1383 No real impact to you because you don't like it and thus want less of it. Just don't watch it then. You can skip those episodes in the original if you want. That's your choice. The various dubs have tried to take that choice away from you.

>>1387 >has its purpose Yeah, to give jobs to the past VAs. >mangaka literally changes the work so the VAs can have a job Anon, I think you're just dense or something. That's literally Toriyama being nice and changing his own work for the sake of the VAs, not his original intent for the work. His original intent for the work has nothing to do with the anime, he made DBZ as a manga. The characters' voices literally have nearly zero relevance to the manga because its drawings on paper, not a work that involves character's voices in any way. DBZ is not an original anime, its an adaptation. >Your assessment of the music is ridiculous, but music is subjective enough, and I'm not well versed enough in music terminology, to argue it effectively. You can have your subjective opinion, but most disagree. I'd also prefer to keep the original creators' intents here. I'd rather get the tones they were going for than the tones some random retards on the other side of the world were going for. Wew, the reason Faulconer even got known in the west to begin with was the OST he provided to DBZ, you couldn't go to any DBZ communities in the west and not find him mentioned at least until recently, when its literally been many decades past the original work and now DBZ is very old. This is about the end user getting the best product, and music is probably the worst place to try and argue that an original creator's intent is shown effectively because its a fucking adaptation to begin with. For a violent battle shounen, you are comparing OSTs that sounded like they could've came out of any campy 80s/90s mecha OST (go compare the original DBZ score to something like Macross for example and tell me they don't sound similar) to something that was more grindy, edgy and faster-paced in Faulconer. You don't need some music degree to figure out that you wouldn't use children's show music for a violent fight scene, so why would you think that a slow orchestral soundtrack would fit better for such a thing over an edgier, faster-paced soundtrack? >pointing to mainstream popularity as an indication of anything related to quality Dunno what the point of that is, and either way, its not really correct either; at most, people were be willing to change opinions recently because remastered shit and kai versions and whatnot removes people's awareness of the older shit, but there are still literally older fans today who will edit scenes of the newer versions with Faulconer music. Ignorance of the Budokai 1 soundtrack is more just due to the fact that its sales of a game, but there are people who are getting more aware of Budokai 1's soundtrack recently and are starting to make their own anime edits with it ironically enough, because they realize how good it is. >using creators' signing off on shit as evidence of anything Creators "sign off" on shit all the time, it doesn't mean anything unless they are acting as the director, or in a director-like position with regards to the work. Bokurano's anime adaptation literally changed a shit-ton in it, including the fucking ending to something completely different (altering what the work was completely), and the mangaka was fine with it and signed off on it, despite the anime director literally telling people that the anime was not for people who enjoyed or were fans of the manga because he didn't like a lot about the manga. Would you say that the anime was the mangaka's original intent in a situation like that? If so, then I can't take your arguments seriously.

>>1388 On that note, it is sad how many old DBZ videos were removed off jewtube, can't even find a lot of the old original clips anymore demonstrating such things that had literally over a million views at times (which was a lot back in the day)

>>1383 >no you don't get it, cutting content in this circumstance is acceptable because the melted brain on dubkuso

>>1388 >That's literally Toriyama being nice and changing his own work for the sake of the VAs, not his original intent for the work. He wrote it. That's his intent. Hell, it's arguably more his intent than stuff like the existence of Androids past 19 and 20, since they were only scrapped as the main villains of the arc because his editor said they sucked, and then their replacements were replaced again for the same reason. But as much as even the manga turned out to be not entirely in his control, I think it would be a very minority opinion to discount the stuff past 17 and 18 showing up just because of that, because the fact of the matter is that it was still his ideas that made it to publication, even if some earlier ideas were scrapped after getting the opinions of others. Krillin and Yajirobe's voice doesn't even seem to be a case of that, though. As far as we know, and we have no reason to think otherwise, that was just entirely his idea. He specifically said they sounded like that, with the intent that those were their canon voices. >His original intent for the work has nothing to do with the anime, he made DBZ as a manga. >he made DBZ as a manga I know you know better than this. You can make a point to view adaptations as their own thing and not judge them on the merits of what they're adapting. That's a legitimate argument. But surpassing the original is a difficult and very rare feat. Most people seem to think the anime of Dragon Ball failed at that, even if it's pretty good. I actually disagree and defend the anime. I think the changes it makes largely add to the original, and the good parts that it adds are more than the bad elements that take away from the work as compared to the original. However, I just can't say this with any dubs I'm familiar with, and I'm familiar with both the Ocean and Funi dubs (the only ones anyone ever seems to sincerely argue are enjoyable for any reason other than laughing at them. Hmm. Wonder if that has to do with the ones that got the most TV airplay when the series was most popular and they were kids?) The changes they make there don't add things, unless you want to count stuff like Goku's father being a brilliant scientist, or a bunch of characters actually living because Nappa can "see their parachutes" or whatever. They make tons of changes that take away, including taking away full episodes. >The characters' voices literally have nearly zero relevance to the manga because its drawings on paper, not a work that involves character's voices in any way. >DBZ is not an original anime, its an adaptation. Did you forget what we were talking about? We were talking about the voices and about creator intent, and I pointed out that Toriyama apparently did consider those to be his intended voices for those characters. It was his intent for the anime, of which he should be considered at least partial creator. He is at least the creator I was talking about. We can consider the many other people who worked on it as creators too, but that's not what you're talking about either. You seemed to just forget what the conversation was. >Wew, the reason Faulconer even got known in the west to begin with was the OST he provided to DBZ, you couldn't go to any DBZ communities in the west and not find him mentioned at least until recently, when its literally been many decades past the original work and now DBZ is very old. >people who were only exposed to one version like that version No shit. Most people who know Dragon Ball in the west are only familiar with dubs because those were aired on TV when they were kids and the series was at peak popularity here. Only weebs seek out the original version with subtitles. When I say "most disagree," I mean most people that are actually informed, most people who have actually viewed both. >music is probably the worst place to try and argue that an original creator's intent is shown effectively because its a fucking adaptation to begin with. Even if we discount Toriyama's intent, I would still rather see the intent of the people who were more hands on with the creation of the anime, as opposed to some random retards on the other side of the world who decided to change it. The people making the anime added things the manga didn't have, such as music. The people making the english dubs took things out that the anime already had, like music, having the sheer fucking hubris to think that they were better, despite the show being good enough to translate, sorry, (((localize))), in the first place. >For a violent battle shounen Ah see here is an interesting look into how you view it. Realize that the dub itself, including its music that you describe here, influences how you see it that way. The music changes the tone. While much of it is certainly violent and about fights, much of it is also comedic, or more grand and epic. Much (all) of it was animated with the intent of the type of music they knew was being made for it. It's not supposed to all be "grindy, edgy" as you say. When you watch the whole series, and don't just start 150 episodes in, like the dub you seem to like, that changes things too. It changes how the characters and world and all the events that happen are perceived. It changes their context. It changes what music you might expect in that context. That said, I still disagree with your overall assessment that the Japanese stuff (I'll assume you're talking specifically about the more serious moments in the Saiyan, Frieza, and Cell arcs) is more campy. The Faulconer stuff is incredibly campy and of its time, at least as much as the original music was, if not much more. (I'd argue much more.) Do you also prefer the dubs of the movies, where they put Sum 41 while they're fighting Garlic Jr. or whatever? >Would you say that the anime was the mangaka's original intent in a situation like that? No. Clearly that's a different situation. With Dragon Ball, clearly there are things Toriyama would not like, but there are also things he would. But when I speak of the creators, I don't even just speak of him. I'm counting the people who made the anime. They are creators, too, as are the people who made the dub. The difference is the people who made the dub suck way harder, while ironically having more hubris, deliberately removing and changing more about a work that was already good enough to adapt. I haven't watched or read Bokurano, but I suspect the guy who made that anime was also a retard. I doubt he's some Kubricesque genius mastermind who can succeed at making his adaptations radically different from the source material and actually having them be better, because he's just that much of a genius. I know for a fact Chris Sabat and the rest of the SJW crew aren't that good. They didn't add anything good. They took away significant portions, sometimes not even replacing them with anything. They changed things for little to no reason very frequently. Or even if we give them the benefit of the doubt and say they would have preferred not to censor so much (maybe true at the time. Definitely not true now), the fact remains that the dub, the end product, suffered regardless.

>>1402 I liked it regardless of all that. Like i said not every time this is the case but this time it was. >>1420 The music for the ocean dub is way better than the original and definately leaps and bounds better than the other dub attempts.

>>1423 I bet we all liked it despite that. But despite is the key word here. The original is good enough that even all these downgrades aren't enough to make it not enjoyable.

I just came here to say that I hate absolutely everything about Dragon Ball Super. That is all.

>>1430 Yes.

>>1430 I can enjoy it if I just go into it expecting it to be as stupid as possible. It's like it is stupid on purpose, almost as commentary. But no, I don't actually think they're smart enough to do that. Pic related. Not only is this quote funny already, but he actually did come back to life again. Though technically I suppose the movie version of this, which I think this frame is from, is labelled as Z and not Super. But really it's Super.

>>280 >favorite show/manga The "original" Dragon Ball. >favorite character(s) Launch and Chichi. >best girl whoops... Okay; favorite characters are Tien Shin Han and Vegeta then. >favorite track Theme song to the first anime. >favorite dub Original Japanese audio. >favorite villains Mercenary Tao, then Vegeta, then Frieza >favorite arc First tournament that Krillin and Goku entered, and Namek

>>1502 18 IS A LOYAL WIFE AND WOULD NOT CUCK KRILLIN

>>1548 Yeah this is backwards. If anything Bulma would cuck Vegeta, because Bulma is a slut. Vegeta should have expected it, since their relationship started with her cucking Yamcha. He should know that if she would do it to Yamcha, she would do it to him, too. Anyway 18 probably got raped for years by Gero's robocock, which he probably upgraded to make enormous. She's probably all stretched out and can't even feel anything anymore. Videl wasn't even sure if her baby was Gohan's. And before we forget Lunch, again, I don't buy that she wasn't getting dicked down by Roshi the entire time she lived on that island. It's the entire reason she was there. Blonde Lunch might have acted tough, but Blue Lunch was probably alright with it. And the Blonde one seems like a horny slut anyway. And I guess I might as well mention Maron, even though she's filler. But she's also a slut, and it's her whole character, so she's out. I mean Maron, Krillin's girlfriend, not Maron, Krillin's daughter. His daughter's fine. Probably not a slut. Too bad her dad's genes made her into a butterface, but at least she's not a slut. This means the only girl in the series that is any good except Maron II is Chi Chi. Or Snow. Or Pan. Pan's a bitch, but as the first episode of GT establishes, she really is just mad because she can't get dick. She'd probably be nice to whoever finally gives it to her.

I wish Toriyama would make a Dragon Ball "knockoff" series that has more of a DB feel and less of a DBZ feel to it. That's a big part of why I got into Dragon Quest I think.

>>1561 Same here, I remember having a lot of fun with the wacky shit in the first Dragon Ball season and getting bored out of my mind of the more popular ones. Dragon Quest is extremely underrated in the West, but whether the game is really funny or completely dry in the translation is a complete coin toss.

>>1561 Toriyama has tons of other work, and most of it is a lot more like the tone of early Dragon Ball, which seems to be what you want. Hell, just go read/watch Dr. Slump. It's canon to Dragon Ball, and it's the work that made him rich and famous before Dragon Ball ever existed. It's also clearly more along the lines of the type of story he clearly likes to tell. He just got accidentally roped into doing serious fights instead of kawaii hijinks.