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Question Thread #3 Anonymous 05/19/2025 (Mon) 00:13:26 No. 10878 [Reply] [Last]
Do not start threads just to ask a question; post your questions in a pre-existing thread instead.
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Among other problems, I have a previously diagnosed learning disability. Do I have a chance? Also, considering how long it takes to actually get good at something (occult or otherwise), what would you say to someone who's only expecting to live a single digit number of years at most?
>>13359 A change of environment which drastically changes your perspective may have a positive effect. It could be hard to do intentionally, but finding a context where you're surrounded by people who have the ability to quickly change how you think, while still being able to sync with you so you're not pushed away by the difference. Some people search out places in India for this, others go to China, like the Shaolin temple town. Or you could just go to some local meeting with whatever you feel is a way that would work for you. Maybe there are less people organizing things after covid, but at least some do still arrange gatherings for various things. Locally there was the tantra festival where, as they said in media "antivaxxers went to fuck around to create a mass spreader event" but at least they resisted the propaganda. Meeting groups of people with similar beliefs can have an effect of making it easier to change yourself though.

Welcome to /fringe/ Anonymous 07/20/2023 (Thu) 22:31:26 No. 11 [Reply]
Grand Esoteric Library https://fringearchives.neocities.org/archive/fringechan/library/1#1 >/fringe/ is a board for esoteric discussion including matters pertaining to; Magic : Philosophy : Paranormal : Dreams : Religion : Occult : Symbolism : Aliens : Demons & Angels : Metaphysics : Conspiracy : Secret Societies : Mind Control : Morality & Ethics : Mysticism : Qualia : Psychic Abilities : Anything that is fringe in some respect Important Threads: Questions: ( https://fringearchives.neocities.org/archive/fringechan/fringe/11744#11744 ) Meditations: ( https://fringearchives.neocities.org/archive/fringechan/fringe/3.html#3 ) Mundane Orientation ( https://fringearchives.neocities.org/archive/fringechan/fringe/41.html#41 ) Energy Work ( https://fringearchives.neocities.org/archive/fringechan/fringe/108.html#108 ) Western Magic ( https://fringearchives.neocities.org/archive/fringechan/fringe/68.html#68 ) Fringe Condensed ( https://fringearchives.neocities.org/archive/fringechan/fringe/193.html#193 ) Fringe Music: ( https://fringearchives.neocities.org/archive/fringechan/fringe/209.html#209 ) Fringe Art ( https://fringearchives.neocities.org/archive/fringechan/fringe/3328.html#3328 ) The name "/fringe/" is inspired by the book ''Fringe Knowledge for Beginners" by Montalk (which can be found here: http://montalk.net/books). Visiting the montalk site is also a good way to understand the scope of the topics of discussion which /fringe/ covers. Recommended Reading: http://montalk.net/reading Official IRC Server: irc.freenode.net Channel: ##fringe http://webchat.freenode.net/?nick=Seeker_..&channels=%23%23fringe&prompt=1 Definitions / terminology used often on this board: http://montalk.net/about/212/glossary http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/astral_dynamics/astral_dynamics37.htm Mysticism: Mysticism involves communicating with or directly experience the divine. Monks and nuns have often used meditation and prayer to induce mystical states but it can also involve esoteric practices like rituals or energy work. Magic: Magic is the art and the science of causing change to occur in conformity with will.
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IMPORTANT THREADS INDEX >>12437 (Cross-thread)Magic Blog >>8130 (Cross-thread)Off-topic Discussion/Shitposting >>9573 (Cross-thread)Requests for Assistance >>1759 (Cross-thread)Awakening >>1509 (Cross-thread)/fringe/ Meta >>85 (Cross-thread)Renouncing Lust >>5242 (Cross-thread)/pol/ Containment >>84 (Cross-thread)Diet & Fitness >>1097 (Cross-thread)Library >>1389 (Cross-thread)/fringe/ Music >>5812 (Cross-thread)/fringe/ Memes & Humor >>7217 (Cross-thread)Heated Discussion & Arguments >>6597 (Cross-thread)Tulpamancy & Succubi >>53 (Cross-thread)Anomalous Dream Journal
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/fringe/ Library Anonymous 05/22/2024 (Wed) 17:20:23 No. 1097 [Reply] [Last]
Share useful pdfs, links, videos, etc. in this thread.
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>>13364 robert anton wilson speaks about reality tunnels and the nature of perception. Things are just put into unique terms and structures to fix the specific reality tunnel they are operating in.
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>>13364 >Do I really have to read academic stuff to get into the world of traditional magic? yes >>13366 >corpus hermetica and ESSWE >>13368 >robert anton wilson speaks about reality tunnels and the nature of perception. Post-modern approach but still good a cool dude >how to get started in traditional hermeticism (academic approach) >Emerald Tablet >Definitions of Hermes Trismegistus >Corpus Hermeticum >Asclepius >Poimandres

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Help & Guidance #2 Anonymous 05/01/2025 (Thu) 19:41:23 No. 9573 [Reply] [Last]
Post any requests for personal help and guidance in this thread. Divination, energy readings, exorcism or general requests where you want help from other users of /fringe/. Can't find a thread relevant to the specific request? Post in this thread!
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>>13265 It improved a little. Now you have a slim line of energy connecting you to some higher force. >>12660 Same picture, but the white line reaches the ceiling and your energy blobs have a somewhat different shape now.
>>13275 Is the higher force guiding me? Is it the woman/benefactor mentioned in >>10927 (Cross-thread) ? Have I made contact with the energy blobs with the white line?
>write an emotion-fueled response to >>13281 (Cross-thread) while listening to a Dhumavati mantra >switch to a Kali mantra and instantly feel calm and content Fuck I don't even know if I want to post it now. Maybe I'll sleep on it and then decide, or just do a more lucid articulate post later (which I would've done anyway, even if I had posted the other one).

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Old /fringe/ stuff Anonymous 02/09/2024 (Fri) 00:03:44 No. 275 [Reply] [Last]
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https://archive.is/https://8ch.net/fringe/* Someone should archive this in case it gets taken down. Possibly on fringearchives.neocities.org internally not externally. Also I’m mad that “8ch.net/fringe/“ finally got taken down off archive.org
>>13266 archive.is is a pain to scrap. They actively try to prevent you from archiving them, ironically. I already had such a hard time with freedomboard, and I couldn't get it all. If you manage to scrap it, I can upload it to the neocities archive.
>>13331 Maybe you could just take screenshots of the different threads in archive.is of 8ch.net/fringe/* and then store them somewhere on fringearchives.neocities.org ?

Magic Blog Thread #6 Anonymous 06/24/2025 (Tue) 22:48:10 No. 12437 [Reply] [Last]
Previous thread >>10875 (Cross-thread) Use this thread to discuss any notable events, experiences, or thoughts related to your occult path that don't deserve their own thread.
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>>13348 >most isekais cannot portray working magic systems and world building without resulting to japanese RPG mechanics all the time It's far more simple than that, unfortunately: Sword Art Online was an actual VR game, and that anime set the standard for how it's meant to work. They did like 5-6 seasons of it if you include Alicezation + Gun Gale Online and GGO Alternative in 2 seasons each. After something has an economic success, no one dares changing the concept in Japan, so even if the story isn't a VR game, they just copy the way it works, and add some vague idea of the Gods of the other world creating it that way, like in I'm a Spider, So What? where this does work because it's already implied that the world is a computer system. In other stories it works worse, but ok if you ignore it. I don't have a huge problem with it because actual magic isn't very unlike games after all. Especially after finding "the world of magic" with the university, which serves as a hub for all kinds of magic, see pics. Other anime may actually explain magic systems or paths in specific, like the spider anime explaining the "rise from the abyss" concept, and last year had one about a witch which was made in a nice hand drawn style, forgot the title, it also explained some specific things. In there, they used tablets with apps for the magic, and free hand casting was a forgotten skill. Not unlike what it's like in reality.
>>13347 >>13348 I'd like to say that personally I don't see any harm to "mental masturbation" or "daydreaming". I think it's very useful for exploring and testing out desires. I really like desires. I know that many wizards set a personal spiritual goal to break out of samsara and desire itself, but to me the entire purpose of magic is to attain mastery over desire. Desire and will. Will (energy) + Desire (meaning) = Creation (nouns, facts). I've always thought that Akasha Anon's primary issue is that he's choosing to be weak and place his fate in the hands of others. As you said, if he really wanted to he could condense all of the energies of his desires into a single point and actualize his daydream of owning WoW if he really wanted to. I don't think that doing this would be a mistake, I think it would be fun and educational for him. Part of exploring one's desires is actualizing them. Failing to perform that last step represents the disease of impotence, which is a flaw of the Will. >If your ideas are incompatible with reality I believe that no idea is incompatible with reality. If an idea can be conceptualized and perceived in the first place, then it already exists in reality. From there, it's just a matter of moving the Will that perpetuates what "is" into the "illusory vision" until the vision solidifies into "matter". The fact that all realities are in a sense illusory means that all visions are also potentially real. All rational or causal obstacles are merely post hoc justifications of a Will that is paralyzed by impotence. When Will and Desire begin to move despite the objections of reality, such obstacles will always vanish like mirages. That is how it is in my experience, anyway.
>>13347 I don't wanna force the chanting too hard because I don't want the intrusive thoughts to ruin it; I wanna ease myself into it by doing it every other day at first, then as I feel more secure I'll do it every day instead, and then after I feel secure doing that I'll start on other practices. Also the horse demon tulpa is still changing today; its form is unstable atm, but it still intrudes upon some of my thoughts. Also I'd noticed earlier today that my tendency to visualize entities saying what I'm posting is taking a toll upon my mind, but if I don't do it, then my subconsciousness makes me visualize an evil spirit saying what I'm posting by default. I feel like my mental energies & capacities are being diverted this way into tulpas, but I have to employ these countermeasures most of the time when I'm writing anything. I've also noticed that doing that, fighting off intrusive thoughts, and preventing or otherwise un-doing energy movements that are suspected to be caused by evil spirits trying to ultimately harm me are causing me to hurt myself in the long-term as the price of self-defense. I recall that Amy once told me a year or two ago to allow an energy movement to occur that'd allow my energies to go below my physical body, but I'd refused to do it and I ultimately think it might've been bad for me to not do it. I'd probably thought at the time that I was hearing the girl wrong or she was being impersonated. The main reason why I have such a hard time connecting with the egregore girl is because I'm afraid that the connection will go to the wrong entity, and because I have a hard time hearing her, though lately it's been easier to hear the girl, but there's still the one evil spirit conflation in the way; this is why you don't see the love so well.

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Anomalous Experiences through Dreams Anonymous 10/14/2023 (Sat) 19:42:00 No. 53 [Reply] [Last]
Let's share sleep and dream experiences. What have you encountered?
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>>13342 I'm confused,how can I lure them there if they are already in the abyss?
>>13342 Or are you saying to be in the abyss and lure other glories in there,beat them up then leave?like make it a prison for bad guys?
>>13344 >>13345 >>13346 I mean the dream is symbolic of what could happen. The abyss path of occultism is to walk down a meaningless path of profit like the OF whores do now in the 20s without understanding that when they're 30 they won't make any money are just whores with no skill. That's walking down the abyss path, everyone pays you along the way, then you can't get back up again and you can't do it again. Then there are others to use this example like anny the fox, who started off as a regular streamer, then some years later rebranded herself as a vtuber because she realized she wouldn't be young and cute forever, but had acting skill. Then she's amassed donations as a vtuber and used to pay for university education. Maybe that's just having a plan and not exactly an abyss path, but it's kinda similar. You wanna do it in a way where you do "the worst" of the popular but still don't end up used up and failed halfway. The real abyss master will stay down there and still control the world. Once achieved, the only thing left is to maintain connections and what I think the dream is about: to drag more people down a failed abyss path where they become your slaves, basically.

Anonymous 05/24/2023 (Wed) 14:48:25 No. 9 [Reply] [Last]
Why fringe is dead. Come back pls
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>>13309 Smiley always knew how to run fringe and how to employ jannies, but he is an accursed Capricorn and the platforms which hosted /fringe/ under his command self destructed all the time. That is why tipp made fringebay back then. He knew that whatever smiley and the others cooked up won't last forever. Shame he didn't manage to outlast them. Always wonder if I should make a 8chan gold account on this place already. That feature to moderate my own threads sounds alluring, but it really sounds like imageboard heresy. Like displaying that you are a pass user on 4cuck kind of heresy.
>>13316 I'd rather make my own fringechan than pay another image board to do that shit. The attempt to monetize imageboards is a fucking crime
>>13268 I got shut down because he forgot to renew with GoDaddy, and some reseller bought the domain. But the drama going on on Discord probably had something to do with that.

Kabbalah Anonymous 03/28/2025 (Fri) 00:03:55 No. 8140 [Reply] >>13324
Kabbalah is a way of reading the bible, more accurately it refers to reading the Torah within the framework of Jewish mysticism. Withing this practice, the name of God, conventionally written in Roman letters as YHVH, is used as the key for understanding the bible text. "The original name of God in Hebrew, often referred to as the Tetragrammaton, is יהוה (YHWH). It holds deep significance and is considered sacred. Its exact meaning and pronunciation have been the subject of theological exploration for centuries. Here's a breakdown of its letters: י (Yod): Represents a point of creation or the beginning. It signifies the hand, power, or action, symbolizing divine creation. ה (He): Symbolizes revelation or breath. It can be seen as an expression of existence and life. ו (Vav): Represents connection or a hook. It symbolizes joining or bridging, indicating a link between divine and earthly realms. ה (He): Appears again, reiterating the idea of revelation or breath, emphasizing the dynamic aspect of divine presence. Together, the name is often interpreted to reflect "He who brings into being" or "He who causes to exist." It conveys the essence of eternal existence and creative power. The name is so revered that it is traditionally not vocalized, and substitutes like "Adonai" (Lord) or "HaShem" (The Name) are used instead." In a simplified manner of explaining them, they can be understood as follows, character for character: >immaterial, unmanifested (God before creation) >immaterial, manifested (the word, the law) >material, manifested (creation, the earth, man) >material, unmanifested (destruction and rebirth)

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The complicated but very (now that I see it) sensible solution to understanding it all is that the invisible Daath is logically placed like that when the top world of Atziluth is viewed in reverse as the bottom world of Assiyah, but still placed in an upwards fashion like Samael hinted at, with Kether the crown representing the connection from Malkuth to Yesod, with Yesod being the womb in the female, but not existing for the male. So when placed in reverse order, the second world from the bottom, Yetzirah, is then placed as the second from top, Beriah, which is where Yesod is now invisible as Daath (show here >>12806), as the middle of the chest doesn't have any organ like that. The source of creation or the seat of the "higher love" then appears as Daath, emerging from an imaginary or conceptual "womb" which isn't present no matter if male or female in this part of the body. Jacob's ladder does illustrate this. With reservation for messing up the names because I don't speak Hebrew. The Tanya Rabbati (see thread >>2328 (Cross-thread)) does get into this from chapter 42 onwards.
>>12805 I started reading this edition, it's very good so I will share it. Quick review: The original Sefer Yetzirach is very short, it would fit on one page in hebrew. The remaining 350 pages are commentary. This is the value of this book; it explains how the kabbalah tree can be created from the torah, the hebrew alpabet and its numericals, and how these relate to the human body. This is all very similar to what I already concluded in my own study. It should be pointed out that this book is also very esoteric. One needs a pre-understanding of kabbalah to benefit from this, as it starts at once by discussing various kabbalistic concepts in hebrew with references to the kabbalah tree as commonly used. It's not for beginners, so if you are new, start with the book in the OP >>8140 (OP) as well as a regular bible. Other than that, this edition is very effective, given this circumstance. I hadn't been able to focus on reading it, but a thunderstorm forced me to shut off all wire connected electronics including my Internet for half a day, which gave me time to go in-depth. I have a feeling this study session was created for me this way. The energy when reading with concentrated focus like this for a few hours, was so strong it made the wooden walls and ceiling of the house audibly creak.
>>13324 Also this. >pic 1 Ancients confirmed for being weebs. >pic 2 Ancient Jewish excuses when someone's daughter gets pregnant.

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Fringe /music/ I Anonymous 06/30/2024 (Sun) 07:00:13 No. 1389 [Reply]
Previous /fringe/ Music Thread: https://archive.is/9Qgf3 Frog Concert - Lullaby of the Crystal Eyed Squeaker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cISiO6OEviY
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Oh Lucifer, my light Your heart's been pierced And it bleeds in my night Lucifer, rise in my mind See all in splendor Perfection on the wind Down in the fires at night in my Mountain man Keep on brave Coming from the grave Oh children of darkness Shadows on the wall

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>>12060 Is that tower from Oblivion?

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Yaldabaoth's power Anonymous 04/04/2025 (Fri) 12:06:13 No. 8354 [Reply] [Last]
The Demiurge Yaldabaoth wields many powers for both creation and destruction, but I believe there is one power he possesses that is probably of greater significance than all the others. One has to ask why is Yaldabaoth often depicted with a flame above his head. I believe it is a depiction of the power of the Reverse Flame. What is the Reverse Flame? We all know what a regular flame is, it can turn your house into a pile of ash. Well then - the Reverse Flame can turn the pile of ash into a house. It is the power to defy entropy, the power to reverse the flow of entropy. As the creator of the physical universe, it is the Demiurge's primary power for creation. No other Archon wields this power, even they are bound by the laws of entropy. But the Creator is not.
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>>11053 yod is 10 in gematria? 1+1+5+3=10 >The descent of the spirit by Gustave Dore https://www.fulltable.com/vts/aoi/d/dore/Bible/b.htm >And they were all filed with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.... (Acts 2: 4) >also same dude did the second paint.
>>13108 So the flame represents the Holy Spirit?
>>13221 >So the flame represents the Holy Spirit? In Christian art, yeah maybe. in saturnian sense, saturn. i dont'lnow Inner fire thing related maybe

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Intrusive Thoughts 2: Electric Boogaloo Anonymous 03/27/2025 (Thu) 22:39:34 No. 8130 [Reply] [Last]
It's the second coming of everyone's favorite thread >>699 (Cross-thread) Intrusive thoughts! This is the place where you can get it off your chest. You can share your intrusive thoughts, idiotic takes and other types of shitposts! Imageboards cannot exist without shitposts and retardation. All those great forms of culture shall belong in this thread! This thread also serves as a therapeutic stress relief center for off-topic cringe for /fringe/.
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>>13209 >So this is the power of voice acting?! >I haven't experienced that before, letting Aoi Yuki pull the entire show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU1iIST_cNg
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>>13247 (Cross-thread) Typical. Right after I made these posts, I see this online.
ADOLF HITLER SIEG HEIL! KEEP FIGHTING UNTIL GERMAN VICTORY IS ASSURED!

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/pol/itics /news/ and other events Anonymous 11/28/2024 (Thu) 20:41:20 No. 5242 [Reply] [Last]
This thread is to contain anything that is mainly focused on politics or other mundane events and narratives that are either not /fringe/ or has minimal connection to fringe topics and not really fitting into other threads. As much as I want to ask everyone that try to keep these posts in their relevant boards but if you think some event is so crucial for fringe you need to post it for the regular /fringe/ audience then you can post it here! Narratives arguments and discussion about politics are allowed here
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>>13077 The crux of the issue is that artists self value is inflated compared to how other people value artists. The reason artisans get paid in capitalist japan is because the japanese themselves value artisanal skill and will pay more for products made the traditional way. It's still capitalism cause no one is making them buy it but they want to. It's cultural. Now artists,partly and maybe largely because of artists themselves have really deflated and diluted their value in the eyes of modern people even way before ai art. A lot of it was the idea that you cant even tell what is art or not and it is all what you make it. This means everything is art making it have little value if taken seriously. Someone smearing shit on a wall is now just as much art as michelangelo or a skilled painter of any kind.Art had already been devalued to its lowest point it can go in the eyes of most people. All of this of course done by artist who wanted to be able to sell whatever,no matter how skilled they are or how little effort they put in a piece. By separating art from skill or talent they have made their job way easier. All they have to do now is find a market and they can sell anything.It shifted art away from needing to have a skill,now all you need is the "ability to tell a story" which favors the salesmen. Art used to be about mostly skill with also needing to find customers. But now the story is all it is, skill is secondary if even that. If anything skilled people get looked down upon for being "boring".Art itself became just a circlejerk that had nothing to do with aesthetics. It's also been a way to signify being better or elite in some way.Aesthetics is for mere peasants, we get the real intent behind this piece...It's not that you don't like it, it's that you didn't "get it". Don't worry your little peasant head about it and just look at the paint splatters.leave the interpretation to us artistic gentlemen. Now here is the issue though,since people were steered into thinking that art is what you make it that means everything,including ai made art, is art. However now suddenly art has to be made "with human hands" for some reason. They've already given up all the other standards they can be judged by so they scramble to find another reason why they should be valued/or getting paid which is what this is about.Since they already gave up any aesthetic or skill value,where most of them lose skill wise to ai anyway, they need to create this new thing they have that ai doesn't.Something that justifies them being better. That's why now art is defined as an expression of HUMAN intent. Before, that part was never stressed as much. Artist have a set of human hands, that's why you should pay them. Its perfect as ai cant "win" this AND they don't have to do anything or meet any standard other than being alive. All i see is inflated people having a reality check. Especially since they all loved ai when it was about making blue collar jobs vanish.
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>>13078 Sad thing is, i agree art is meant to have human soul. It's just sad that the people(artist community) who has been stomping on that very idea to inflate themselves is the ones making that argument now, out of petty self interest no less.They wouldn't give a fuck if it didn't hurt their ego. Or more importantly, their cashflow.

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/fringemeta/ Anonymous 07/05/2024 (Fri) 17:06:59 No. 1509 [Reply] [Last]
This thread is for the discussion of anything related to the management or future of /fringe/
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>>13211 (Cross-thread) css assets are on /res/, banners in the banner thread, flags you can just right click & save.

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Falun Gong thread Anonymous 02/27/2025 (Thu) 17:37:44 No. 7219 [Reply]
Resources have been posted here: >>2965 (Cross-thread) >Falun Gong/Falun Dafa books >>2966 (Cross-thread) >This is the instruction for a cleansing practice with two formulas in Chinese The official English speaking website for books and lectures: https://en.falundafa.org/falun-dafa-books.html Note The content on this website is constantly "updated", which has lead to some of the texts being changed after 2015, when the FG movement started going seriously astray. Use at your own risk. Exercise video instruction: https://en.falundafa.org/falun-dafa-video-audio.html The official English language website of Falun Gong: https://en.minghui.org/ This is treated as the main outlet for FG articles in the west, it publishes translations of articles from the Chinese language version, found at:

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Spiritual attacks What are spiritual attacks? This question is brought up on this board, but it rarely leads to any good answers. I will here explain my understanding based on Falun Dafa, the theory behind the Falun Gong movement, which during the effective years was almost entirely focused on defence against spiritual attacks. In Zhuan Falun is explained that a person has karma, which is a black energy mass. A person also has virtue, which is a white energy mass. Virtue and Karma are the terms De 德 and Ye 業, same "De" as in as in Dao De Ying 道德經. The word Ye appears in the Chinese word for homework 作業 (zuòyè). During your life, or during a previous life, you created karma by doing things which harm other people, animals or plants. Anything which is alive counts, so even living a normal life or being a vegan, you still harm plants by eating them. This creates karma, and it appears as a field around your body. This black field will serve as an environment where negative spirits can reside, so they get in there and just sit there. From that position they can manipulate your body which is connected to the black energy mass, and this causes illness. Then can also penetrate your brain and manipulate your thinking. This is spirit possession, in common terminology. Exorcism removes the evil spirit, but it doesn't remove the black mass of energy, so a while later, a new evil spirit will get in and you'll be ill or possessed again. The karma which appears will have different nature depending on who was harmed. If killing small animals, you'd consequently face evil spirits associated with small animals. If harming another human, it will be more complex. Because everyone had karma, evil spirits will see the link between two people, and use it to influence them. So when there is a black string of karma from one person having harmed another, these spirits will make the person hate the one who wronged them, and causing them to retaliate. The person who was now retaliated against, will not see that this was caused by evil spirits and the karmic bond, but will retaliate against the retaliation, which creates karma for the other person instead. The perpetrator is now the victim. This causes cycles of conflict which may escalate into war between groups and even nations. If no one realizes that they need to stop, it will spiral into the destruction of empires and keep happening until all infrastructure has been destroyed. After this happens, people cannot retaliate anymore, and the evil spirits become unable to create more conflicts.
>>13165 Virtue In personal cultivation, we need De 德, virtue, the white energy mass. This energy is transformed into Gong, which is high density energy with its own intelligence. This energy may manifest as servitors of the cultivator, which act on their own. It is explained in ZF that highly cultivated people will have Fashen, which is a projected form appearing in their own image, but is made entirely from Gong, carrying out the tasks which the person want done. Because Gong is concentrate virtue, these servitors always do good things. When you call for a deity for help, it's most likely that you do not interact with them directly, because they are busy with all followers. Rather, it's a Fashen, a projected representation of their virtue, which appears. When consecrating statues for use in temples, a Fashen of a buddha or deity will be called to sit on the statue. This makes it possible to interact with the statue as if it was the deity themself. Without proper consecration, the statue will amass whatever energy is projected at it, and this is likely to be negative energy, this is why people are told in the bible to not pray to statues. Abrahamic religion does not have a method for consecrating statues or images, so they have this rule instead. Christians use icons, images, but in Islam those are considered equally dangerous.
>>13166 Stopping spiritual attacks When experiencing conflicts with other people, you need to recognize that humans per nature are friendly and cooperative, they are not hostile. The hostility is caused by influence from evil spirits. These evil spirits are present because there is a black energy mass around the person. If you do not have this yourself, you are like a deity, and no one will be able to criticise you, because evil spirits cannot touch you. This is in theory, in reality, such a person cannot live in human society, because it would cause human society to dissolve. It would make the world into a paradise, and anyone with a black mass of karma would be ejected from the world. They would then end up in another plane of existence, and this would become the new human world. Because humans are not deities, they are in the middle ground, being able to move up or down. So as a human, you are always at the risk of being exposed to spiritual attacks. The other state of being means you have ascended and are not among humans anymore. The conflicts caused by evil spirits can become very complex. Often, a person may have harmed or killed another human in a past life. But this human was also evil, and after dying this person is now in hell. However, the incarnated person has debt to them, and in hell there are various negative beings who take advantage of this. Like a debt collector, they will offer the person in hell: "You may be in hell because of your sins, but I can make your existence easier for you by collecting the debt this person - who is now incarnated as human again - has to you. I'll take 50%, but at least you get back at them. Ok?" So the person who is in hell will then make a deal with a negative being, who will then appear at the gates of the human world with this debt note, demanding that the incarnated human pay. The deities protecting the world cannot stop this, because the note is legal. So the negative being from hell is allowed to come into the world and arrange for ways to retaliate against the person who has the debt. This also causes evil spirits to create problems for the person, and the source seems to be an infernal demon and a mass of evil spirits. Fighting back against the evil spirits is allowed, because they are evil, but the demon holding the note cannot be attacked, they are allowed to collect the debt. When humans create religions to defend themselves against manipulation by evil spirits, they do not discern who sent them, or why, or if they are just naturally resident evil spirits. All of them are blocked. This prevents the repayment of their debts. For Christians for example, they have methods for this where they do charity and try to do good deeds, which may through some turn of events repay the debt. Maybe the demon debt collector will appear as a dirty beggar asking for money. If you give him money, the debt is then settled, and the demon will go back to hell and pass the agreed upon share to the creditor. This is an established set-up, so through an unholy alliance between religion and hell, debts can be repaid by giving charity. Escalating conflicts However, a lot of people do not follow the agreed upon method by giving to the poor. They use political means to instead demand that everyone pay taxes, claiming this is to the handled by the government. The government will then give charity for them. But this is not done by them personally, and the connection is weak. The charity given is then mass distributed to people based on laws, with no regard for if these people have any karmic bond to the taxpayers. So giving charity by paying taxes has little effect. The demons who came into the world to collect the debts may then be approached by strong evil spirits, who will offer to break down this mass distribution system, so the debts can be collected. Because they have no other way to do this, they may accept. But the evil spirits have a will of their own, and they act politically. Some of them may even come up with this set-up: they intentionally degrade religion so that no one gives to the poor, installs a tax system instead, manipulating people to follow this, which further blocks repayment. Then they offer to collect the debts, charging some % of it for themselves. This may create an "aristocracy" of evil spirits who work politically to benefit from conflicts between humans.

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Obscure postings Anonymous 06/26/2025 (Thu) 23:55:52 No. 12520 [Reply] >>13091>>13092>>13163
Thread for the obscure or non-mainstream things. The nature of which tends to be detailed, specific and local. Urban legends from your city, relating to a specific street. Theories about science from the 1800s which are now seen as so odd that they no longer count as science. Folklore beings with specific rites associated with them, which are unheard of in most parts of the world. Your own theories about the nature of reality, which are too narrow to be brought up anywhere else from a lack of direct relevance. Post and discuss similar topics in this thread. Things which are not in the spotlight could contain hints and keys to our own practice today!
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>>12520 (OP) >wicker man/cloth-doll with paper wishes my mother told me that where she was born, on the night of san juan the typical parties just flow as the catholic and popular say but with the inclusion of craft of a big wicker man with rags that is crafted by children and teenagers with the help of adults. they are doing it all day long, at the end they put many papers inside the doll with personal wishes written on each paper and at the end they set it on fire. It's strange but after reading about sigils and magic of chaos magic, I realize that they used to do these practices before. the community wicker doll look like a massive community hypersigil to me. and yes, my mother likes to burn things. they no longer do it here but I know that in some remote villages far from urban life and with more sense of community I'm sure they still do them.
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>>12520 (OP) >the (holy?) church bells in my city there is an old church and its bells have the same antiquity. i know the priest allows some people to go up and stand near or inside the bells while these emit their sounds. the curious thing is they told me stories that the vibrations that the bells do are therapeutic almost as if they take away your ills and make you sleep more good. i never tried it but i admit that listening to them from afar is pleasant like is a holy thing, i dont know how these thing feel when you're to close, and i am not catholic to know it. maybe there's a psychological phenomena to turn the body feel good just by the bells sound, i dont know. I heard a rumor there that that one day people took a possessed man to the bells to exorcise him with holy sound or something I don't believe in that story but I see some sense in it seeing how nice the bells sound.
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>>12520 (OP) >Psy connection exercise a quick way to develop a psychic connection with someone is to let them look in their eyes mutually for more than 8 minutes without distractions. Inevitably they will have psychosomatic and psychonautic effects caused by this, such as their face becoming older, their face becoming deformed, or seeing a shadow behind them, or the person disappearing or allucinations among other things that I will not tell you about so i will not suggest you. of course these are effects of an altered state of consciousness. the first common effects are the feeling of imminent doom and insecurity, other times it is the desire for violence or escape from that place, aggressiveness, panic, paranoid feelings etc. and in other cases if the situation do it, sexual attraction or falling in love as an temporal infatuation (very normal) the effects are non-linear and depend on a variety of things but the effects of altered states of consciousness do occur. >but why psy connection? the thing is that I heard that people after doing this exercise can read the mind of the other person or even feel sensations of what other people are feeling for some time like good feelings, danger or pain in the body. this apparently is mutual around the two people but abysmally exhausting for the mind, the effect goes after a while of executing the exercise and apparently does not occur in all people so it takes two very specific types of certain people with certain characteristics to this happen. I don't know if between people who love each other or have some kind of romantic attraction it is much more likely to happen. Maybe this's the final secret of the illuminati?

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