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Is my “benefactor” the same woman talked about in the guide thread or is that a different woman?

>>10890 It's a little complex. The reason why I didn't reply to you yet because the whole thing is complicated. They are more akin to "forces" than actual people or entities. Like Gaia is the earth itself. She can appear as a woman, but she is not a woman. What I got so far that she was "around" for a while, but she was unable to help you in any meaningful way (that you were able to notice at least). The reason for that is... that she is weak... because you are also kinda weak currently. The entities you can interact with will be on your powerlevel (there are exceptions ofc but this is the main rule in occultism). Your potential is there you just have no idea how to use it. That is why she is also in her "weaker" state currently. What I got so far that either the rituals you did or some other activity managed to power her up a little (or closed the gap between you and her at least). When I looked into her; she even asked me for a "little help" to stabilize her connection with you. Currently she is hard at work trying to balance you out and make sure you will be able to "hear her" without going bonkers in the process. Wanted to comment while you asked for empathy that empathy is all about the "water element". That governs it. You have a water element, but it is contaminated. Until it is not cleansed it cannot awaken. Wanted to write down how empathy works, but I feel it would just confuse you. The concept of "empathy" is also misunderstood. Sympathy and empathy is not the same. Jews and other nefarious forces actually hijacked quite the large chunk of the population by baiting their sympathy with their propaganda. That is why Israel is under fire nowadays because they are showing that everything they portrayed in the media was a "mere act" and nothing more. Seeing a crying child on a photo with fake tears and feeling "sad" is sympathy. Empathy is the ability to tell if the child truly suffers or it is a mere actor with fake tears. Real empathy is a dangerous reading skill because you cannot lie to that skill. You will feel what the other person truly feels. Liars, schemers and other forces of evil hate that. Ofc understanding your own empathy is a completely different journey once it starts up. Currently you want to let go of your hatred/your innate negativity and access your potential for growth. It can happen if you can accept love into yourself. You learn to love yourself and others and slowly let go of hate. In actuality you have a sort of "empathy" and that is why you are contaminated currently. Natsoc groups usually understand tribalism well and they accept almost everyone as long as they are not brainwashed glowniggers. But they are obsessed bonding over hate. You managed to internalize that hate. That is the thing you are trying to let go currently. The slumbering hate within your heart. It is not a mere feeling. It is something "solid" within your energy body. Your benefactor is currently "chiseling it" so it can be ejected from you and looking for some "force" within your life that she can use as a "driving force" so you can go forward. Love and affection is also not true empathy. It is just a feeling. Love also have many flavors. Chemical/hormonal love, universal love, divine love etc. Ofc the meds also block the flow of your water element, but they are not the main issue. The spirit is more powerful than the effect of mere chemicals. She is doing her best trying to awaken that part of you. The reason why I didn't reply sooner because I dislike when I am this vague. You can look into the water element and emotional alchemy and try to meditate a little but otherwise I am not sure what to tell you. >>10878 People will notice the question thread with that pic for sure.

>>10878 What is a good way to purposely enmesh myself with a specific spirit?

>>10961 If the spirit is well known then look up a guide with their name. There are many on the web. Depends how specific and who we are talking about. The short answer is that you make a pact with them. How the pact works depends on the spirit and your own ability. You summon the spirit then engage in a spirit marriage with them. That is the classic method. That is how people married nymphs and other spirits in the stories of old.

>>10878 >>10965 Do you have an email or discord I can ask more specific questions about this?

>>10966 Yes. Below is the secret link for specific questions related to the occult. https://8chan.moe/fringe/res/10878.html

>>10966 See >>6597 for a more appropriate thread; we like to keep our discussions on-site here.

>>10713 Would it possibly work if I just sent out signals that I'm single and ready to mingle with a boyfriend-free elemental girl? I don't want to attract any s*ccubi though.

>>10973 You’d have to make sure it ain’t answered by an unscrupulous shapeshifter of some sort or other entity pretending to be an elemental.

>>10974 Parasites haven't fucked with me since I learned to banish them a couple years ago.

>>10976 Who said an imposter would be a mere parasite? It could be a 4D entity for all you know, like the reptilian that raped me last week pretending to be a demon, and then again when she’d pretended to be my daughter that I’d supposedly had with her.

>>10977 Doesn't that apply to literally any new relationship though? The chef at a restaurant could be a reptilian and slip a tab of acid in my burrito for all I know.

>>10979 Yeah; just be careful.

>>10973 You should put more effort to attract water elementals than an open broadcast. Align yourself with them by embracing the element of water through long baths or visits to bodies of water. Stay hydrated, water-chan. >s*ccubus in a bathing suit ≠ water elemental

>>10985 >put more effort to attract water elementals than an open broadcast. Align yourself with them This is possibly why it works effortlessly for me in these cases; impostor spirits wouldn't be able to actually fix the water streams, and I have means to verify that the contract was upheld. So this may be the approach you have to use, your goal should be something which only the correct spirit can fulfil. If you just want sex, you'll get a sex spirit, since there's nothing special about water spirit sex itself, unless it has to be a water spirit for some other reason.

>>10927 >What I got so far that either the rituals you did or some other activity managed to power her up a little (or closed the gap between you and her at least) Was it the lbrp? I haven't done the lbrp in a while but if it helps my benefactor help me then I can start again. You could ask her if it was the lbrp that powered her up. Something William Walker Atkinson says in his book thought vibration or the law of attraction in the thought world is that if a man thinks hate he will attract hate into his life from others, but if he loves others good things will come to him. My hope is that by getting rid of my sociopathy and cultivating empathy for others and myself I will attract spiritual development to me instead of repelling it. In WWA's book Nuggets of the New Thought he has a chapter on the "human wet blanket" not sure if you've ever read it but he talks about people who see the bad in everything and everyone and so attract it to them as well they hate everyone. >Wanted to comment while you asked for empathy that empathy is all about the "water element". That governs it. You have a water element, but it is contaminated. Until it is not cleansed it cannot awaken. So should I hydrate and take long baths and visit bodies of water to improve my water element and therefore improve my empathy and therefore improve my connection to my benefactor and at the same time attract thoughts into my mind which might be conducive to say meditation or the lbrp? I have not felt spiritual emotions for quite a while and I miss them. It has been around 10 years. Speaking of which it is my birthday today.

>>11002 Surrounding yourself in water isn't going to do much if you don't absorb it. There is a purifying quality in the element of water. You could wash the internal filth with some blessed or pure water. Happy Birthday! Hopefully your benefactor reveals herself to you soon.

I’ve asked this already, but I’d like another viewpoint. Does not consenting to stuff just magically prevent hostile spirits from dong stuff to you by itself like some spiritual people say, or does there have to be potentially-violent force behind the non-consent for it to matter?

>>11026 Hostile spirits don't bother with consent. They'll trick you into signing away your soul even if you openly declare that you would never do that. Some spiritual people are backed by spirit armies and powerful protective spells, so they would say consent is magic. I understand that your reptilians are sneaky enough to bypass and even impersonate your spiritual guardians. Are you truly protected or is there a backdoor exploit?

>>11026 Well, the main thing is that consent is a way to open the door to spirits. Not consenting doesn't make you invulnerable, but consenting is lowering all your defenses. Same reason why people who took the vaxx are in such trouble. Also, I really should add this. Random thoughts DO NOT constitute consent. Consent needs to be willfully and explicitly given via ACTIONS. I know you have OCD and have been struggling with this a lot. But there is absolutely no world where a random errant thought or desire would in any way be considered consent for any spirit or entity to fuck with you.

>>11028 Yeah I think I’m not truly protected. But then my guides said the angelic medium want me to surrender; they say I’m trying too hard to control my spiritual goings-ons. If I don’t try to control it, then I’ll afford my enemies more control over me, but I’ll also afford my protection more ways to attack my enemies by using my power against them mostly outside of my awareness. This also ain’t the first time I’ve heard this.

Are we living in the matrix being farmed? I had a dream that basically told me how we are in the matrix being farmed by the reptiles and that they are secretly plotting against us and they steal our Hindu yogi breath and our correct methods of eating and living for complicated reasons that are hard to explain. One of the reasons was that by replacing our correct methods of breathing and by replacing our hunger with appetite they were enabled to get rid of our psychic powers which lead many to believe that there was no afterlife and by believing there was no afterlife they became jaded and depressed and therefore because they were all jaded and depressed they enabled the reptilians who are incapable of feeling emotions of love to remain positive and dominant over the Homo sapiens. Otherwise the Homo sapiens would remain dominant over the reptiles because they weren’t depressed. The dream talked about how were in a pod and we are being human farmed like the matrix for our loosh. The dream also talked about how my previous occultist therapist was actually a reptilian woman and that she was secretly plotting against me and that she was planning to cleverly manipulate me into being a sheep.

>>11087 >my previous occultist therapist was actually a reptilian woman >occultist the rapist Wouldn't surprise me. My browser just froze for a moment when I was about to post this, which confirms some fuckery is taking place.

>>11087 I just saw this being connected to, and working through, your therapist, when I tried viewing her. Looks like a black device thing stretching from some place in the distance, with a black "button" on it which connects through her soul. Could very well be some energy siphoning device, in which case she was herself being used as a tool by some other larger entity. When looking at it and trying to detach it, I experienced a "shiver" along my back. Something odd is definitely going on here.

>>11092 I’m on vacation right now so I can’t use my computer, but when I get back I can use the snippet tool on my pc to take a snapshot of just her eye, so that you can get a better reading on her. I don’t want to dox her so I can’t give the full photograph

>>11099 Don't do that, lesser psychics can use that to doxx you instead via finding your general location. You already shared enough information for me to look at things around you if I put some focus on it. I think they already noticed me before, but they haven't visibly done anything yet, so I'll wait and see what action they take. There is some change in the energy associated with your location though, which makes me suspect there is some energy harvesting operation at work there. Or it's just some general psych industry operation. It didn't look normal either way, and probably has something sinister behind it.

>>11100 Looked again and saw some complex sigil which was a triangle but raised a bit in relief like the bottom layer of a pyramid, and it had some droplet shape on each point.

>>11104 Has the therapist gotten my apology letter yet? Does she accept the apology? I feel pretty bad at how rude I was to her. If only I had met with her when I was more stable, like I am currently. I feel like she never wants to see me again.

>>11104 What does that digit mean? Sorry for the double post.

>>11121 Sigil* sorry I’m phone posting right now.

>>11119 >>11121 >>11123 I was hoping someone else would know what it was. I think whatever is going on, she was being used by an organization. But maybe it's just some science egregore which appears that way, maybe it's psychology itself being some alien entity. I don't know if she got the letter or if it matters.

>>11119 You should definitely make amends with her even if she is "controlled" or whatever

>>11130 Do you really need to make amends with those that are completely malevolent against you? Won't simply forgiving yourself suffice in that case?

>>11131 There are people that understand their fellow humans in these institutions. Some are like anon's former therapist, others are... not. If you respect the other person, you have to make amends with them.

>>11131 Believe it or not, having a weird dream about someone doesn't automatically make them "completely malevolent."

>>11134 Do you have any experience with the occult or the paranormal?

>>11158 What kind of bizarre non-sequitur is that? All I'm saying is he shouldn't give up on doing what's right or jump to extreme conclusions about "complete malevolence" based on that one dream. having Egganon's absurd level of hysteria benefits no one

If everything is exposed, will the occult just become technology then?

>>11178 A non sequitur is a conclusion that does not follow the reasoning. He did not present a line or reasoning, nor a conclusion. He just asked you a question. Learn to use words.

>>11183 Learn to use flags. :^)

>>11182 The short answer is yes. The long answer is... not necessarily. Technology is just a tool that many cannot use and reproduce in this modern world either. The occult simply means hidden knowledge. Exposure doesn't mean everyone will be able to utilize or understand it. It needs to become part of the daily life and a necessity to practice the occult so it can reach the levels of modern technology. Just like in the ancient times. But let's not get into the old ages when magical technology was widespread and why it vanished or faded into nothing. Once magic becomes a mere technology instead the original way of life... civilizations start decaying at a neckbreak speed.

>>11186 No, I don't think I will. I know it's a rule. And an old one that I never quite understood. I was going to make a thread on how to create real time effects with thoughtforms, since I've recently had some interesting experiences with people. But one look at the front page made me realize anyone who would benefit from it or contribute anything meaningful is long gone from this community. It has become a /sunflower/ dumpster, infested with posing chuuni mundanes. Not even schizophrenics remain. Such threads only spawn antagonism and low effort shitposting, not banter, but senseless shit-flinging. I'm so tired of it. At one point I was offered to become BO of /fringe/ (on 8kun), and I'm now glad I declined. I'm tired of pretending this board is not long dead. So yeah, enjoy your flags or whatever. If you are the BO, I'm sorry.

>>11194 I don't understand your mindset though I can understand the sentiment You're dissatisfied with the current state of /fringe/ because of all the autism and cringey anime guys, and you refuse to contribute because you're convinced it will never become 'good' again, yet you remain just to complain and pointlessly nitpick how others "use words?" Why keep coming here at all? >anyone who would benefit from it... is long gone from this community. I hate seeing comments like this. I still want to learn and get better! and I'm not the only one. Just because weebsloppers are louder doesn't mean we don't exist. The only reason they dominate the catalog is because they have the balls to post >Not even schizophrenics remain. doubt.jpg

>>11194 >>11195 If you want to see some type of content, start a thread for it. There's this idea of weebposting having taken over, so since I'm commonly accused of being behind it, I just counted the threads in the catalog and categorized those I've created: 106 threads in the catalog Out of those, 26 threads are mine: 8 kabbalah, goetia, yoga 3 long threads about general fringe topics 3 shitposting threads Out of the remaining 12; only 4 has an anime pic in the OP, and they're occult-related. The rest are fringe board culture/meta and general esoteric topics.

>>11194 What bothers you exactly that no one will reads it? Or are you scared of your feelings being hurt? You know there is a reason for the chuuni posting right? It's preferable to the alternative. >one look at the front page You didn't even do a reading? I am talking gentle tap not a full dive. Or you did but couldn't look past it? >spawn antagonism and low effort shitposting, not banter, but senseless shit-flinging. I'm so tired of it. And the alternative is? No post at all? We can all just go back to our towers pack it up folks /fringe/ isn't fringe anymore so why bother! Come on now if you're gonna complain put more honestly into it then we can all figure out how to make this place better. >>11196 As far as i am concerned /fringe/ culture is "magic using" so it doesn't matter what style you practice but maybe others have a different idea of it. A library doesn't stop being a library after adding a hentai section. I dislike the science approach because it carries bias and "spells" so it's really just a funnel. The human body itself how it's made of cells organs filament etc is just one view of it that was imposed. I would argue it's just as much made of threads, shapely slime, flowers etc but then again i'd need the backing of a civilization to turn everyone into shapeshifting slimes. Wait was that the Christianity switcharoo? question on the question thread.

>>11195 >The only reason they dominate the catalog is because they have the balls to post Always find this funny. Weebs are supposed to be the weakest people physically and mentally. And weebs and weeb culture live rent free in the head of these "anti-anime purists" who post on imageboards which were created for the sole purpose so people can discuss anime, videogames and other niche topics which were too "nerdy" in the 2000s for normalfags. <omg someone posted anime on an anime website. It became so unusable because of that while it was always good back in my time when people never posted anime and all discussions were serious and to my liking! These people have some magical timeframe in their head when they liked selected threads and ignored the rest. They warp their own memories with their rose tinted nostalgia glasses. They are supposed to be "advanced occultists" but can't make a fucking thread to their liking. Nice "reality creation" you have there. Talking to them is like trying to court women. You must be nice and engaging and make sure you never hurt their little ego and their own little world which is just "perfect" and so much better than anyone else's. Anime is their "ick" but they will complain about politics or anything else after anime is gone Btw we have like 4 posters that like to post anime. And they post an anime pic here and there to either express their ideas better or to use imageboards as imageboards. They are not as bad as the average avatarfags Acid posts Asuka more than the "chuunis of fringe" post anime Srsly >only spawn antagonism and low effort shitposting, not banter, but senseless shit-flinging. I'm so tired of it. I don't know how these people used imageboards at all. Old fringe was far more hostile and antagonistic. That is why we had like 5 different alt boards like /drama/ /loosh/ etc to contain it and several extra moderators to curb the spam from atheists, retards and other degenerates. The current /fringe/ is the most peaceful because the community is still small and we are trying to help each other in their progress. Back then /fringe/ was an ego/tripfag turfwar with the occasional good threads in between. 90% of /fringe/ was trash even back in the old times. Your duty is to find the 10% good threads that are supposed to help your initiation. That is the only way you can utilize /fringe/ and imageboards in general... I know right? It's like I said some secret truth here? Something that no one managed to figure out so far! Hope I really don't need to write /sarcasm here like I am on fucking reddit >I was going to make a thread on how to create real time effects with thoughtforms I wanted to do that too but realized I couldn't make a thread which surpasses the Magic 101 thread. That thread was short, succinct and well explained... for the average /fringe/ poster at least. That was the very thread that made eggAnon into this neurotic mess back in 2018. He started moving the thoughts around creating thoughtforms all the time while ignoring the basics of grounding and mental hygiene. Made me realize I am unable to make retard proof threads on magic. Magic 101 was a god tier thread and there is no way I can make a better one without utilizing my reality creation and divine channeling skills to make the thread successful. I don't know why someone hates antagonism and shit flinging. That is imageboard culture. Where people voice their differences so a new consensus can be created. That is the best in imageboards. You can state your opinions Anonymously without facing repercussions beyond getting banned or getting called slurs. This way open minded discussion can be done where all parties can improve. But do you know what else is part of imageboard culture? Retardation. Where someone does retarded shit and derails the thread with their senseless retardation. Now that is one I cannot handle. Where the thread becomes faster than a twitch stream chat. Where the writer puts less effort into their posts than the readers. >>11194 > I'm tired of pretending this board is not long dead. You are the only person that is dead. Clinging to the past, refusing to renew and forge reality to your liking. Even your post reeks like something that people would have posted on 8kun back in 2018. Nice bait btw. You got 4 replies including mine. Anti-posters grift about 2 things on current /fringe/. It's either smiley or sunflower. Back then we called each other's bullshit occultists and retards even in our calmest moments. The current BO does it well by not revealing himself. This way no one can target him effectively. He remained Anonymous. This way grifters can only target the previous lolcows who tried to make /fringe/ a place where we can talk about magic. I like their reasoning btw. <I want to talk about magic because I am such an intellectual occultist <but the place has bad vibes so I will complain instead We always had grifters. These people don't realize they are merely perpetuating an old poster archetype. They are trying to become the last obstacle of the current /fringe/ revival project. >Not even schizophrenics remain. I should have realized you are trolling the moment you wrote this. I am sure at least 5 people here have medical papers confirming their mental illness. >>11196 >There's this idea of weebposting having taken over, so since I'm commonly accused of being behind it The only thing you can be accused is the AI posting. That is the only content that comes from you 99% of the time. Everything else is a shared interest. Saying that you started weeb posting is like saying Hitler was the first anti-semite in history. An ignorant and idiotic take. >>11201 >Wait was that the Christianity switcharoo? question on the question thread. In a way yes. It is some "anti-anime puritanism". The react like some christian puritan to it. Anime on the anime website? This must be the work of the devil! >As far as i am concerned /fringe/ culture is "magic using" so it doesn't matter what style you practice This. This is what /fringe/ is about. Somehow people cannot understand it and try to bring back drama from the tripfag era where people complained about smiley tripp alpam and 20 other tripfags and said how they shit up the site. Now we have only 1 well known person and they complain about him. Knew this would happen btw. I got a dream about it last year. When I was trying to let the energies of the old fractured /fringe/ alt boards melt back into a new form. I got 3 replies in the question thread in a dream the next day. They were awfully long effortposts detailing many issues about the board. One of the issue was the existence of the "nameless namefags". The old egregores told me that the new /fringe/ cannot manifest as long as some people are OBSESSED by some nameless namefags and refuse to contribute to the new fringe because the "nameless namefags" ruin the board by "existing". Ofc the egregores had other issues too but they were sorted out so far. Our current problem is not chuuni posting nor anime but the fact that some "oldfags" are still mad about some "nameless namefags". How /fringe/ was better back in 2013 when they were still teenagers or some shit and how current /fringe/ is not like that!

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Newsflash faggots. This /fringe/ builds on the energetic foundation on the previous 8chan (currently known as 8kun). I remember when smiley made this cool ass CSS when the Fringe Girl flag was the default for those that refused to pick flags. The "Other" /fringe/ culture only materialized there if someone brought it there. Back then everyone wanted to make their "Own fringe" and that is what killed /fringe/ altogether. That is why we had this dead silence with fleeting communities on discord and other althans. These grifters said similar things back in 2018 too. How 8chan fringe sucks and we should go to fringebay or mewch or whatever discord they preferred with 3 other wankers like them. The classic demoralization tactic which atomizes communities. These "people" are not people. They are hollow husks animated by old energies of the past. That is why they cannot renew. I wanted to make a spell trying to "cheer them up" so they can renew and rediscover the splendor that they desire so much... but it made me aware that this is a deeper issue found in the entire history of humanity. Do you know why Moses was lost for 40 years in the desert? Grifters denied him and God thus fucked up his channeling. I realized that in every fucking magical text there was a fucking grifter. No devils no death nor any existential terror is the main boss. Just. One. Fucking. Grifter. Ruining. Everything. Because they cannot fucking handle their own thoughts and emotions. The Bible, the Sutras, the Vedic texts... All contained grifters that had no idea what they are doing or saying and they perpetuate the sad reality they are trying to escape from. This is why I am taking a break from posting. I am facing an existential threat that is more retarded than anything I have seen so far. Even the current wars we have nowadays are mere grifts. The Torah tries to explain how to find God from this cruel world while the Talmud goes on and on to explain how to grift as much as possible without incurring the wrath of G-D. Grift is a fundamental force of the modern world and everyone refuses to see it. I know exactly the hell grifters are slowly walking towards and I don't know what to tell these people. They are their worst enemy and they are creating a hell for themselves where they will be boiled as long as they don't change their ways. I don't know what is the lesson here. To find a way to save them or learn to ignore them. Kali Yuga. The age of grift. The entire origin story of Kali Yuga is just a mythical story of grifting. This is why I am so lost nowadays. I figured out how to use these potent grift energies from these "hells" in the past months how to transmute and purify them... and the only thing I found in the end how it is like a fundamental "part" of reality. How grifting existed before death or many other types of suffering. How many evil forces "exist" for the sole reason to hunt down specific type of grifters and chase off the rest from trying to become the next "King Grifter". Wanted to make several posts and threads to try to make /fringe/ a better place but realized I still cannot make a thread pure enough without reeking from this grift. Because the internet and imageboards are built upon this energy. If it doesn't have grift in it then it doesn't belong here. If you ignore grift then you are a grifter if you fight grift then you are also a grifter. My main problem is that there is hope. But I cannot explain it. Because "grift" is not something you can explain either. You just know what that is. Which means the very thing that solves it is something hard to explain but everyone knows it once it is displayed. To escape grift you must reach a state where you are bereft of grift. Even the Gods themselves are not immune to grift. Those who cannot transcend themselves cannot escape grift. Currently I am trying to decide if it's time to make a transcended "grift free" fringe... or accept that grift was always part of fringe and without grift we cannot have fringe at all. The post that prompted me to reply is just one facet of this ever present grift. He is not even the malicious one but the sad self defeatist kind. When they are "sorry" for the way they are but they cannot help themselves. I don't know what to tell these "magicians" without completely obliterating their self worth and deepening their grift as a result. They refuse to solve the problem then they become part of the problem as a result.

>>11087 >our Hindu yogi breath and our correct methods of eating and living for complicated reasons that are hard to explain If you learned to utilize these skills instinctively you would improve tremendously. I too learned some yogi breath techniques from vedic entities in the beginning. Wonder who picked you The only thing I can say here is that your dream had the usual schizo matrix reptilian take to make sure you remember this experience. If they just told you the yogic breath and how to eat and sleep you would have forgotten the entire interaction. This way you anchored this experience into yourself on a deep level. I can sense the "breath" but it is too deep within you. Like on an another plane of existence. Try to find the "source" they were trying to explain. >>11091 >which confirms some fuckery is taking place. Whenever a new "party" appears on fringe something freezes or crashes for me when I am not paying enough attention to the energetic makeup of this board. I have to update my own energies to accommodate the change But something is deeply wrong I can attest that. Many of the energies don't make sense. Energies that not necessarily stem from his inherent issues but from other sources. I don't know what to make of it. The energies are just too far away. I could comment on the reptiles and on the therapist also but that is the least important aspect here. The main lesson is the "spirit breath". With that he can flush out 90% of his negative chemicals and the energies will be able to tell him how to live accordingly to accommodate the newfound energetic formation. It becomes more natural than walking and talking. You can write manuals and theories for it but no one learn walking nor talking by reading a manual.

What is the point of hellenistic Astrology? There was a talk about it in the previous question thread and Anon said he will make a thread for it so I didn't do my research yet. How does it differ from mainstream astrology?

>>11234 Well for one, it doesn't have gay fake made-up planets like "uranus" that aren't even visible in the sky

>>11234 It's a more traditional and unadulterated system. You don't have to worry about outer planets and minor celestial objects. If it was good enough for the ancients, it'll work just fine for you.

>>11216 >Try to find the "source" they were trying to explain. In my opinion it is WWA's Hindu Yogi Science of Breath book and his book Hatha Yoga. That is what resonates the most with me. >Wonder who picked you Already for years now I have known about WWA's books I mentioned above, and think about them every day, so I am not sure if the dream was divinely orchestrated or it was just a reflection of the waking thought of wishing I practiced all of the methods mentioned in the hindu yogi science of breath. I feel extremely bitter about my incapability of enacting the methods in those books. One of the main reasons that I have intrusive thoughts of mass shooting is that I feel so bitter about how my hindu yogi breath and all of the methods mentioned in hatha yoga have been stolen from me by the one world government. I have currently made a breakthrough though by quitting every drink besides water. I have been drinking a lot of water, a little at a time. I plan to maintain this habit for a year before moving on to the other methods in hatha yoga, so that it sticks for life. I want to replace my unnatural thirst with natural thirst. Hopefully it will clear my stomach of shit, but I don't chew my food for long periods of time, which is supposed to both replace appetite with hunger, and make it so you don't have to overfill your stomach with shit. I eat extremely healthy by mundane standards but don't practice any esoteric methods of eating (yet, I want to chew my food like Atkinson says to but it is hard and either way I would have to wait until the end of my 1 year plan o drinking water). A major roadblock for me in the hindu yogi breath book is that for some reason I have a really hard time breathing through my nose. I have made some progress in that regard but still I can't practice the hindu yogi breath until I have made low breathing my default state under all times and conditions, and I can't do that until I have made nose breathing my default state under all times and conditions. My hope is that by hydrating and eventually one day chewing my food properly I might get more blood away from my stomach and towards my brain and nose, the former of which will improve my intuition, and the latter of which will allow me to breathe through my nose all of the time instead of some of the time. I used to duct tape my mouth at night but I can't do that anymore now that I am trying to grow a beard down to my knees. I will start an upward spiral with my stomach having less shit allowing more blood to my lungs which will allow more oxygen taken up and that oxygenated blood will go to my stomach getting rid o more poo etc. etc. and eventually my nose will be free to breath 24/7 instead of just some of the time which will allow my to progress to the yogi complete breath which will allow me to start the other methods in the hindu yogi breath which will eventually lead to ability to feel energy despite my jewpills, which will allow me to finally do energy work by robert bruce, and when I have the ability to work with energy super well, I can modify the astral to make it so I no longer have to take my meds (not sure how but anons say this is possible) which will allow me to become absolutely charged with energy. I have high potential spiritual ambitions in my life but a lot of obstacles, internal and external.

>>11239 >I have a really hard time breathing through my nose. I used to have a huge problem with this. I solved it by forming the following habits: "Mewing" at all times when humanly possible. basically keeping my tongue against the roof of my mouth with slight suction so the tiny holes are covered Using a neti-pot with 1/4 tsp of salt in each nostril every day Wim Hof breathing for at least one 10 minute session every day Eventually I found myself breathing through my nose even while asleep, which felt like a literal miracle since medical doctors always told me my respiratory passages are abnormally small.

>>11239 >and think about them every day, so I am not sure if the dream was divinely orchestrated or it was just a reflection of the waking thought of wishing I practiced all of the methods mentioned in the hindu yogi science of breath That is good. Spiritual and occult books have a "signature" that leads you back to the source. The source the author channeled by writing that book. >have been stolen from me by the one world government Wonder why you have these thoughts. Did you have similar thoughts before endchan pol? I know you feel helpless, but did you always feel helpless? >I have currently made a breakthrough though by quitting every drink besides water. I have been drinking a lot of water, a little at a time That is good. I am drinking warm water for almost a decade already found out some days ago that the Dalai Lama drinks warm water too because his elemental balance requires it >but it is hard and either way I would have to wait until the end of my 1 year plan o drinking water I don't know if you have to wait a year, but take your time. >for some reason I have a really hard time breathing through my nose Well... you are a Taurus and they are prone to respiratory problems. I too had this problem where one of my nose was always clogged but learned about the energies of breathing and managed to unclog it via energy work. But yeah make sure you attain nose breathing. Mouth breathing is not good for the body. >I used to duct tape my mouth at night Wow. You have dedication. >but I can't do that anymore now that I am trying to grow a beard down to my knees I understand your "wizard sentiment" but even in Buddhism only masters and abbots were allowed to keep their beard. No need to focus on it on your level. And if you cut it more regularly it will grow faster. Cutting your beard results in longer beards in the long run. It usually stops growing after a while if you don't cut it regularly. Depends on your testosterone level. I like your roadmap with the books but I think you are stressing on it too much. Spirituality can be effortless too. I think Robert Bruce is more lightweight compared to WWA. Robert Bruce might be better in a way. And no need to force your breath to be "perfect". It will align as you clean yourself out. >>11240 This is the best advice that you can do by mundane ways btw.

>>11252 I'll write a reply to this tomorrow. Sorry I was busy today.

If I got good enough at Nyasa, would I be able to actually see the gods inhabiting my various body parts, and hear them talking to me and each other? I love this picture so much

>>11398 >Nyasa (English: placing; literally, "deposit" or "setting down"[1]) is a concept in Hinduism. It involves touching various parts of the body while chanting specific portions of a mantra.[2] This imposition of mantras upon the body is considered as the assigning or locating of divinity inside one's own body Oh... so this has a name... I did this while working with vedic entities without knowing about this ritual. They showed me how to do it. To answer your question. Your body has sort of "organ souls/spirits". Your organs have a material and an "etheric" composition. They talk and communicate but in "organ talk". With this ritual you will assign the gods to each organ and they will be a sort of "mediators" and "awakeners" for the potential of the organ. If you have good connection with the vedic gods they will be able to show you it's functions. It's not gonna be pretty because organs are not pretty. Blood, mucus, piss and shit. All of them will become visible to you. And yes they can "talk" and by "talk" I mean the gods will help you "translate it" but after a while you won't need to "hear them" anymore because you will know what they are doing by default. When your instincts and your intuition merges into your perception/awareness skill perfectly. In the beginning you are slave to your senses an you are merely "a prisoner in your head". This ritual will expand the "size of your head" and the "range of your senses". Where you will "think" with your "entire body" and not just with your brain/head. That is why they say "feel with your heart" or "see with your heart" because that is the center of the body. With this the different "organ minds" will sync up with your main consciousness. And yes they will talk and will do other stuff... probably. It can appear many ways and I am working out the details in the past 3 years. If you read the body horror stories of the Gondola poster you will get the idea how this "bodily activation" looks like if you don't ask the help of the Gods to make it smooth in the beginning. >>11395 Take your time. Always prioritize your own life over the internet. You can reply a week later if you need that much time to think it through.

>>11252 >Did you have similar thoughts before endchan pol? No. I actually discovered /fringe/ before endchan pol, but I had used 8chan pol before 8/fringe/. After no one used /fringe/ anymore I took a detour from fringe and found out about endchan pol and continued to browse the /fringe/ archives. >I know you feel helpless, but did you always feel helpless? I did not always feel helpless. Once I discovered what the jews were up to on endchan I felt strong depression and I became paranoid that I was jewish (I'm not) and I hd an extremely strong desire to suffer immense pain before dying out of exitance. I hated myself and wanted to bring as much pain into my life as possible. I felt very helpless because of the jews controlling everything in the government and all of their schemes like fluoride in the water and chemtrails and trannies and porn brainwashing you and school brainwashing you and I felt paranoid and very depressed. >Wonder why you have these thoughts. William Walker Atkinson says in one of his books that when the child sits in the school desk that is when his hindu yogi breath begins to go away. And that absolutely filled me with rage. I figured that if the illuminati planned out the schools brainwashing you elaborately, they must also have planned out getting rid of your hindu yogi breath through the school desk. The shadow government are dark wizards and they would know of this effect. The jews and reptiles litterally stole my hindu yogi breath. We are being farmed by the secret evil people who live among us. Spiritual survival of the fittest. I feel like most homo sapiens are like drops of blood falling from the sky, slowly turning into humans, but they are falling into nooses and are lynched. They never really did under\stand what was happening to them. I suspect it is far more grave a situation then any o us realize. I don't like to tell people this, but when I read WWA's secret of sex polarity book, I briefly felt a strong feeling in my penis but it was unlike anything most people can think of. What I mean by that is that it was REgenerative, not degenerative. I eel like it is impossible to describe it to someone who has never experienced it before, but it was not thinking o thought of women, but it was being drawn into my body, and I had no desire for porn I just even the thought of porn gave me a really bad experience in my crotch. It was like sexual desire but it was an experience I can't even begin to describe. It didn't bring to mind thoughts of sex, rather of regeneration. At one point months later it returned briefly while meditating, the PURIIED sexual energy was crawling from my penis up my body/spine and was going everywhere except my head. Then it reached my head and I felt some scary demon with a blue face. This was during covid. Fun fact I actually never masturbated until I was 18-19 years old. As a mundane I foolishly thought that my circumcsion meant I couldn't ejaculate except during sex. By the time I found out my incorrect belief, I was already browsing 8/pol/ and didn't want to masturbate and mostly stopped watching porn. Then I discovered /fringe/. After my discovery reading atkinson's book, jewish magician sent sexual thoughts into my head to fore me to start masturbating. Again I emphasize the difference between holy sexual energy and unholy sexual energy. It is impossible to describe to anyone who has never experienced it. But the implications are enormous beyond imagining. It would be similar to the difference between hunger and appetite, or the difference between thirst or water and thirst for beer and thirst for soda. It is all part of an international communist conspiracy. >I am drinking warm water for almost a decade already If by warm water you mean no ice I agree. If by warm water you mean you put the faucet i between hot and cold then I disagree. My source or these belies about water temperature are from wwa. >I understand your "wizard sentiment" but even in Buddhism only masters and abbots were allowed to keep their beard Buddhism doesn't resonate with me. Only western magic resonates with me. The reason why I like the hindu yogi breath despite it being oriental is beacuse wwa straight up says that this is how man breathed in nature, so you could argue that names are just names and this could just ave easily been called the complete breath or even the aryan hitler breath. Names are arbitrary. This is how man breathed in the state of nature, including white europeans. WWA also says that when western science discovers it they will rename it. > And if you cut it more regularly it will grow faster. I this is true how come women don't look like gorillas when they don't shave? Also my bear rows so slowly it will take my entire lie to grow a knee length beard. So I can't cut it. >Robert Bruce might be better in a way. I will get to him in due time but WWA resonates with me like a motherfucker so I will stay with him. Another reason I used to use the smileyberg cultist flag. >This is the best advice that you can do by mundane ways btw. I already mew. I don't trust Wim Hof because WWA says that teachers that promote very rapid breathing for supposed spiritual effects are actually just filling the body with co2, and that is what i causing the so called spiritual effects. So I consider Wim Hof a rank fraud. Are neti pots solutions I will be addicted to for life like jewpills or are they a genuine solution?

I just read about something called mushroom coffins; basically, these are coffins made from mycelium, and this stuff decomposes a typical human corpse in about a month and a half. What effects would this have upon a person's soul after the person dies? And while I'm at it, what effect would cremation have on a person's soul after dying?

>>11412 >At one point months later it returned briefly while meditating, the PURIIED sexual energy was crawling from my penis up my body/spine and was going everywhere except my head. >Then it reached my head and I felt some scary demon with a blue face You managed to invoke some hindu deity. That is what I can say for sure. I will have to think before replying to the other parts of your post... or maybe I will have to start reading WWA again. I am starting to realize that /fringe/ managed to serve as a hindu deity incubation chamber and our great leader smileyberg was also under the influence of one but had no idea of it. His behavior makes complete sense now. ... Suddenly things are making far more sense... The next stage of /fringe/ might reveal itself soon. But I am really taking a break first. I advise everyone to try focusing on clear mind meditation otherwise the next stage will be rough. >>11413 Depends on the person's soul. Some people leave their body before they die physically. While other's remain "earth bound spirits" or "Hungry ghosts" for a while. Cremation supposedly helps the person pass onto the next life faster. While graves are good for "ancestor worship" when you want to keep a family member "close" so they live along the family for a while. Fungi is good if you want to become fungi? I guess.

>>11412 >So I consider Wim Hof a rank fraud The point isn't directly "spiritual effects" but to strengthen your lungs. If you don't like Wim then whatever WWA-approved breathing exercises will probably suffice if you do them regularly >Are neti pots solutions I will be addicted to for life like jewpills or are they a genuine solution? They're just for pouring salt water through your nose. Only "addictive" in the sense that any healthy habit is.

>>11412 I was on reddit and saw someone say that his pee flow returned to normal when he started to heal, he used talk therapy. Then i recalled i couldn't breath at all before, my shoulders would lift and burn and my ribcage would hurt if i tried to do a complete breath, seem all i could manage was small quick consecutive breaths like an exhausted bird. What i am saying is this could very well by trauma related, feeling constricted like you can't breath, have to make yourself small etc Not sure about your particular issue thought just sharing what i can relate to >My source or these belies about water temperature are from wwa. In some parts of Asia they only drink warm water with meals, cold is seen as "strange". By warm i mean they boil it and let it cool in the cup, it really helps with digestion btw! These days i use a water filter, but i used clay pots before and it does make even chlorinated tap water taste great if you let it rest for a night or so.

>>11427 Unfortunately I did the nasal rinse thing for quite a while and it didn't really fix anything. Used different ingredients too.

>>11457 I don't think different ingredients are necessary. The salt just prevents the water from burning your nose. I've tried adding baking soda before because it's included in the little pre-made salt packets, but that just makes the burn worse.

Does the tripfag Khru still browse /fringe/? What about Khan?

>>11474 Khru was the necrophile kid right? Wonder if Khan still has his youtube channel tho. Khan. A hippie strayan with a mongolian title as a name. Never realized what an anomaly he was back then.

How do I use occult techniques to adopt a person's personality, beliefs, or value systems that seem to be starkly opposed to my own? I find this technique to be useful if I can learn it, but it does come across as creepy.

>>11546 7 hermetic principles. The principle of polarity and principle of rhythm. You learn to transmute minor things first. Like sadness into joy, hatred into love. When you get good transmuting polar things within yourself you finetune yourself to be the person you wish to be. >I find this technique to be useful if I can learn it, but it does come across as creepy. I think I started to develop it when I was around 4 year old. When mom said how the other kid is so much better than me and I should be like the other kid. So I befriended the kid and learned his ways and his shortcomings too. Then I started to annoy mom with those annoying personality traits of the kid that she didn't notice at first. Always annoyed me that people want me to be someone else instead of allowing me to be myself. People don't get that you cannot copy only the good traits of others. Those traits are usually balanced out by negative traits. You have to copy the negative traits too or the personality falls apart. You have to know someone if you want to be them and most importantly you have to know thyself. If you don't know yourself how do you expect to change yourself at all. Have fun figuring out the intricacies

>>11561 What if it's a value system or personality that I feel I detest and very incompatible with my own? Not to do with morals, but just a wildly different outlook and personality. I want to adopt it so I can see what real inner transformation looks like. I would like to be able to even get a kick out of being this new persona and looking at how wrong my current persona is. It's born out of a genuine desire to learn character shifting, but also there's an element of sadomasochisms that I personally would love to find.

>>11494 >Khru was the necrophile kid right? Oh. I never really paid attention to the drama of /fringe/ that closely back then. I wish I had. You would know better than me. >Wonder if Khan still has his youtube channel tho. I think he said in one of his replies to a reply to one of his major archived threads that he got rid of his YouTube channel because he needed to "grow in the darkness" whatever that means.

Why do people fear the number 666? Always wonder if it's a misunderstanding or it has an another hidden meaning.

>>11666 >Why do people fear the number 666? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxnN05vOuSM It has something to do with this song, people don't like Iron Maiden because satanic panic or whatever.

>>11666 Probably something to do with three of the sixth hebrew letter vav, representing three nails nailing "Jesus" or someone to a "cross" which could be symbolic of being trapped in 3d material reality that some consider negative, torturous and confining. Though I think it has its origin in something way more advanced than that involving sacred geometry and music theory or some shit. Also I've heard that the true "evil" number is 616 which is interesting because that's how you'd spell 'vav' in hebrew, but I can't remember who thinks that or why

>>11669 Ok let me stop bullshitting for a moment. It's from the book of revelation in the bible. The Iron Maiden song has direct bible quotes in it, so it's actually just representing the scene described of the endtimes. The text is cryptic and was originally in Greek, supposedly, where it was indeed 666. It was at some point translated to 616, which some mean is a transliteration for emperor Nero, which is then an interpretation giving him the role of the beast. The hebrew connection is probably also relevant. The "number of the beast" may indicate a name written as a number, or it's a form of sigil. The book of revelation is after all written down visions someone had, so they're symbolic. Some kind of beast will be recognized by this number, and those who follow the beast will have its mark in their forehead. Some people thought the vaxx was the mark, or the vaxxpass, which makes Bill Gates the beast.

>>11672 I actually read somewhere a few years ago that the false vaccine actually modifies your DNA to take something that spells YHVH and replaces it with a triple helix, and said triple helix is interpreted by the poster as 666; to me, that being the mark of the beast makes sense.

Are brain slugs real? What are they like?

>>11694 >Are brain slugs real? Yes. I am not sure about one specific to the brain i have them all over. >What are they like? Lifeforms? They help break out the dirt. Blockage appear as leaves and muds for me currently, they eat the leaves and move the mud. I see them as helpers. But there are different species with different roles. Land slugs and sea slugs aren't closely related at all. I am familiar with the carnivorous sea slugs and i understand them as follow: >honest creatures They display their colors so you know what to expect if you try anything. >Carnivorous >eat venomous creature and turn it into their own venom >peaceful They mind their own business >hermaphrodite Complete in themselves. etc..but like i said different species with different roles some can photosynthesis. You could say they are "creatures who deal with the disgusting" Transmutation of the gross, eating the gross to turn it into something to make use off. I met some humanoids one they teach necromancy they look like Elder scrolls Sloads. I believe you have an interest in that, personally i am still not ready for them yet these things takes time to warm off to.

>>11715 I meant slugs that mind control you and make it hard to think.

>>11746 That description lines up with what I've heard about helminths. Maybe https://archive.org/details/parasite-pill-2.0 will be enlightening?

Egg anon did Athena hear my prayers? I felt like she was more receptive than Odin. I want to enflame myself in prayer.

>>11859 I don't feel confident in asking Her, but just as I was about to type that, I think I heard Her say yes.

>>11861 I prayed to Athena again, asking for a return of my sense of mystery and awe that I have lost for years, and I suddenly felt a thought of using Neville Goddard’s book the law and the promise to return my sense of mystery. Was this a coincidence, or was it sent by Athena?

>>11882 The latter. You will gravitate towards books and practices that can help you find what you are looking for. Keep looking into the directions you are guided towards.

Is the law of attraction the reason that I discovered /fringe/? Is it true that just as my desires attract me to fringe, so too does fringe attract me to it? What are the origins of fringe? The farthest I ever traced it back in a direct line was emberbox.net on archive.org but I never managed to make it into emberbox.net because it archived improperly. Does fringe owe its' mysterious origins to the decade of the 90's? The history of the site is a mystery, I am only able to piece together bits and pieces as time goes on.

>>10878 Can i use my Tulpa in a Therapeutic way? Or it's very unhealthy? Maybe it can be a imaginary friend or guide spirit... or let fake it's my HGA.

>>11925 You need to ask Smiley himself if you want to know more. >>11935 >Can i use my Tulpa in a Therapeutic way? Yes >Or it's very unhealthy It shouldn't be unhealthy >Maybe it can be a imaginary friend or guide spirit The tulpa is part of your mind. It is as malleable as your mind. It can help you find and access the deeper part of your subconscious if you let it access it. >or let fake it's my HGA. It can merge with your HGA. The possibilities are as limited as you make them to be. Everything is possible if you allow it to happen.

What foods contain the most mana? Will eating apples and bananas increase my mana, both in the /fringe/ sense and the wizchan sense?

>>11959 Iirc, high amounts of loosh can be found in milk and honey.

>>11959 Real food. Fresh fruits will increase your mana.

are there any books on astral projection? I want to know how to astral project, but I don't know if there are any beginners books that would help, besides all of the corporate slopbooks sold on Amazon

>>12038 The book thread has one in this post >>10771 Seems like the classic /fringe/ astral projection books are not in the library thread and all the old MEGA links are dead so I will upload those that I have on my HDD into the Library thread >>1097 for you. I don't know which technique will help you. Some people get the hang of Astral projection easily while for others it takes years to do it.

>>12038 Have fun >>12041 >>12042 >>12043

>>12038 If successful where or what is the first place or object you want to visit? Or whom? >>12040 Have you ever successfully astrally projected? If so what was your favorite experience?

>>12044 I tried the Zhine meditation from the PDF you linked. It felt somewhat fishy but it seemed like it would do something, and I wanted to find out what exactly this would lead to. The method works, but it works "backwards" compared to any other meditation technique I've used before. This made it seem like it would possibly lead to negative result, and it may still do I guess, but it hinges on your scope of awareness and being able to maintain the full system in your head so you remain aware of where in the process you are. If you can't do that, it may lead you wrong, which is what it seemed like it could do, but if you maintain the full structure/form and go all the way, it will work, the energy connects correctly in the end. It just isn't visible at first glance, they don't describe it. Kind of like painting an image with only black ink, creating shades, and what remains as white on the paper becomes the image.

>>12052 >Have you ever successfully astrally projected Yes >what was your favorite experience I don't really have favorites. But one of my earliest astral projection was assisted by 3 wizard looking figures. They lifted me out of my bed. My other experiences are somewhat surreal or way too idiotic to describe. >>12064 I can't vouch for any of the books. I read them very long ago and I had to learn that astral projection is complex which makes it hard to talk about it casually. Everyone should discover their own method and which works for them. The reason I posted those books because current /fringe/ is lacking the core greenpill books we had littering all around back then. For me astral travel is not like some MMO where I visit random astral realms for mere adventure or the like. I usually visit them when my development requires it. Sometimes I barely remember anything, but I have a new feeling when I wake up and suddenly I remember some technique that I learned there. I just merely drift there then slowly return. This method is quite dangerous and don't want to give strange ideas for the newcomers and that is why I posted the books. They explain the basics well enough for newcomers, so they can start out their journey as we did many years ago or they realize astral projection is too much hassle compared to lucid dreaming or money magic. Each to their own as they say.

>>12074 >For me astral travel is not like some MMO where I visit random astral realms for mere adventure or the like. I usually visit them when my development requires it. For me it's almost always a result of divination, a need to find some kind of obscure information which I assume must exist somewhere. I don't think I ever went looking anywhere "for fun", that just sounds too risky for me.

>>12077 >I don't think I ever went looking anywhere "for fun", that just sounds too risky for me. Yes. This is something that neophytes will have to understand. It's not all fun and adventure to visit some places. There are obviously nice "Playground" astral realms, but the others are... less "fun"... especially if the entities follow you home. Sometimes they appear in the morning or at least within the coming weeks... but in some cases they slowly infest your walls and you only notice it months later. Don't forget to do your cleansing and banishing rituals regularly kiddos! Mental, dental and elemental hygiene is paramount for mundanes and wizards alike!

>>12074 >>12077 >>12081 I still want to do it for fun

>>12092 That is why the books have been provided. >>12044 >Have fun As I said previously. I too had my own share of fun in the early stages. It was later when I had to accept the seriousness of it.

>>10878 This thing Cross Yourself of Catholics is a form of hidden ritual or what? >Also Why jesus writing on sand and later say that thing about sin? he is doing some form of magic? and why zoroastrian mages just come up? they'do ritual magic back in time? now just look like a exoteric simulation with no magic than a holy vibe. Why the angelical hierarchy looks similar to greek daemon hierarchy? they're summoning angels-daemons with same greek formula back in time? >I'm concerned.

Are mundane boring chores a good way to develop willpower for something important like meditation or eating healthier? Will working a job also help develop willpower to use towards spiritual development?

>>12198 Ask yourself if people who do those jobs seem to tend towards meditation and healthy eating.

>>12199 They don’t gravitate towards it but I figure that’s because they use the willpower they get from chores and jobs for dumb mundane shit that doesn’t matter, for example getting laid. I theorize if they actually applied their willpower towards spiritual stuff they might have an easier time because they strengthened their will from jobs and chores. At the very least in my case getting a job and moving out in my case will mean that I won’t have to keep taking lobotomy pills and eating sugary dinners and eating at restaurants or fried chicken take out. Once I am living on my own I only want to eat food that I cook myself, with no sugar or hfcs in any of the ingredients. And I won’t eat at restaurants. And not being around my parents will be nice. My dad believes any belief in conspiracy theories is mental illness. He also keeps my computer in the living room so he can monitor what I’m looking up.

>>12198 >>12227 >>12199 but what if those people did their jobs mindfully?

>>12198 Yes. Depends... >>12227 Hello, dada.

Is it true that astral food is dangerous to eat, because it will bind you to wherever you found it? Or is that warning actually an allegory that means something else? I would assume the latter but I recall LMD said it was literally true when he wrote about astral projection. Would it be okay to eat food from astral realms I create myself?

>>12229 Why do you post with the Grey alien flag?

>>12236 It's one of the first flags on the list.

>>12232 Only true if you manage to physically visit an astral reality, which is probably not something that's ever going to happen until the rules of consensus reality happen to change.

>>12232 >Is it true that astral food is dangerous to eat Depends where; some is good for you. >because it will bind you to wherever you found it Does eating mexican food means you'll reincarnate as one? probably not but it certainly makes you closer to being a beaner or is food not that serious? >Would it be okay to eat food from astral realms I create myself? Sure i swallow my own saliva all the time but if you don't brush you teeth it's gonna stink.

>>12236 I'm a newfag, too, so I don't have a set flag. Should I change it?

>>12246 You don’t have to change it. Up to you.

Does anyone on fringe practice fletcherism? Any advice for getting into it?

>>12248 Try to do pic related and you are good

>>9611 >I want to synthesize Frawley's The Real Astrology techniques and methodology, and make a thread with that. Not for readings, but to highlight Hellenistic and medieval ways of doing astrology that are unknown to many people nowadays because of the mess modern astrology is. Will this thread appear soon? If no proper astrology thread appears in a month then I will make the usual cringeslop astrology thread for this board. I am unable to imagine a not cringe astrology thread, but it is a necessary part of occultism, no matter how bad it looks

Hi, newbie here. What is the flag system? What is it supposed to accomplish?

What's the occult verdict on whether bodyswap is achievable through ritual and what its mechanics are? Ive looked into this topic previously and many wizards have diverse takes on this subject.

>>12295 In occultism your opinions and worldview will be skewed depending on your practice, tradition you follow or the books you read. By using the flag you signify your views and practices. Instead of starting the post as: <Hi I am practicing Hermeticism for 5 years and I disagree with your views based upon... yada yada You can just pick your flag and call the other person a faggot or write your opinion without having to introduce yourself with ever post you make. In longer threads you can signify which poster you are so you don't have to write NTA (not that Anon) or OP here and such especially when 5+ people are arguing like their life depends on it. It's better than IDs because we can remain anonymous and more lightweight than using trips. /x/ and other occult imageboards are usually full with tripfags and everyone hates tripfags. Also it adds flavor.

>>12297 What do you want to achieve with bodyswap? Do you want to steal someone else's physical body or you want to live on the astral and leave your corporeal vessel behind? Do you want to control their body or you want to merely see with their eyes or read their memories only? >what its mechanics are Depends who you want to become and for how long. Do you want a quick possession for shits and giggles or you want to swap your body with Bill Gates forever? >Ive looked into this topic previously and many wizards have diverse takes on this subject. If you post some examples I might know what to add to it. I only did bodyswap by accident so I am not really an expert on it.

Is daydreaming like a child a type of meditation?

>>12325 No it's the opposite. Meditation should aid your focus and enlightenment. Meditation is not meant to waste your time with futile illusions like daydreaming does. You can use daydreaming to develop your visualization skills at least, but if you can daydream for hours yet you cannot imagine a triangle for at least 20 seconds then your daydreaming is a futile distraction.

>>12365 What makes you say that the imagination is "futile illusions"?

>>12306 The answer is, non permanenty, and mostly for fun or just to live a unique experience for a while. Do memories transfer? I think it would be fun to do at a party.

>>12367 Daydreaming is not exactly the same as imagination. It is similar to a dream state where you are slowly losing control control over the images you create. So instead of meditating or doing your daily tasks you will daydream for 2 hours about having sex with videogame characters and genociding people you dislike. I meant this as a "futile illusion". It leads nowhere. You just entertain your lowly desires with this. There are several meditation guides which explain that you must let these illusory manifestation pass and must not focus on them or be distraught by them. They are as bad as being distracted by weird bodily sensations or by some news story you heard some hours ago. >>12365 >if you can daydream for hours yet you cannot imagine a triangle for at least 20 seconds then your daydreaming is a futile distraction As I wrote here. If you can daydream up the widest stories of your life yet you cannot imagine a still image or rotate it in your head then you have 0 control over your DAYDREAMING. I said daydreaming and not imagination. Some people can daydream yet cannot imagine/create a servitor or a sigil in their mind at all. This is what I meant by futile illusions. Never said that imagination is a futile illusion.

>>12306 And what happens to the consciousness in body swap vs possession?

>>12306 I'm not as interested in experiencing someone else's life as much as I am someone else experiencing mine.

>>12376 Body swapping, understandably, is an extremely intimate thing to do with someone. It involves trading the souls & minds of the bodies, but then the minds won't work normally because they'll be running on the other person's brain instead of their own brain. Maintain the body-swapping long enough, and it'll make you think like eachother; there's other dangers too. Keep it short if you're crazy enough to actually do it. Anyway, you really shouldn't do it; there are probably other ways to experience being someone else, and for someone else to experience being you.

>>12372 >>12374 >>12376 Getting into the body of an other person's "for fun" is like putting your finger into their mouth and into their ass "for fun" then licking it slowly afterwards... Everybody makes their body fit their soul as much as they can. If they have different preferences you would be disgusted inhabiting them or would be incompatible with their psyche by default. And people have their own set of parasites and protective entities. If you rape them these defensive systems will rape you back. Obviously there are ways that can help you mitigate these things, but they are extremely advanced. >>12374 >And what happens to the consciousness in body swap vs possession? Depends on your technique. You can "turn it off", "put them to sleep", eject it out from the body or simply dominate them and make them do your bidding without them noticing. But if you cannot make your own consciousness leave your body at will then these techniques are pointless to talk about. Some people can astral project yet they cannot read the minds of others and even less able to dominate their bodies. Understanding the nature of consciousness takes years or decades for some people. If you can do these things "for fun" then you are already an extremely advanced psychic. People have a taste and a disease within. If you enter them carelessly your mind might malfunction afterwards a little. Once you can do it, you will realize how easily evil spirits and parasites infest mortals every day and how disgusting they are for infesting those people. Swapping at parties with drunk people is quite easy. They are there to lose their mind anyway. They rarely put up resistance. ... You just made me remember a quite shit highschool memory with this topic. My consciousness left my body partially while being full drunk and once returning I sobered up instantly.

>>12379 >>12383 I still have a deep compulsion to do this with someone. What should I look out for? Why might I have this desire and maybe there is a better way to sublimate it?

>>12385 Meditate upon why you want to do it if you don't know why you want to do it. Why would it entertain you? Answer this before sublimating it. Then you'll be able to address the root cause of the desire to do so, that you won't have to sublimate the desire again.

>>12379 What are some other ways to have people experience being me?

>>12373 >then you have 0 control over your DAYDREAMING. I said daydreaming and not imagination ... I will stop posting for today. Wanted to word it differently. Daydreaming is a passive imagination skill of the mind while visualization is an active one. Imagination is both, but some people have 0 control over their imagination because it goes everywhere and distracts them all the time... while the aphantasia crowd can't even kickstart the process. People experience the skill of imagination differently depending how active is their brain. Aphantasia usually signifies an inactive third eye while constant daydreaming and illusions signify an overactive, unfocused third eye. The third eye is the main gateway for psychic abilities, but constant daydreaming is just an another veil (of self made distraction) which blocks it's development. >>12385 >What should I look out for The less you think about it the easier it becomes. Don't know what to tell you on this topic. It just happens if you want it to happen. >>12398 Sorry I am not following. Do you want others to become you? You want to inhabit them and you want them to inhabit you back? Like that bodyswap trope in those comedy shows? ... Get some goetia demon to explain it to you then. They can literally drag you out and switch the bodies.

>>12398 >>12404 I'd advise against getting a goetia demon to explain it to you; not a good idea to get close to those. How about you contact a nice deity instead?

>>12415 Name a single deity that can snatch and replace souls like it's their daily job, willing to do it after you make a deal with them and they have publicly available sigils and summoning guides.

>>12417 Well whatever I don't know enough to say that, but it still ain't safe to do that kinda stuff. He'd probably still be better off asking a nice deity about it first, then if the deity directs him down there, then that happens I suppose.

>>12422 >asking a nice deity You know who else is nice? Used cars dealers.

Was Heinrich Himmler a /fringe/ wizard? Also is Manly P Hall’s book The Secret Teaching of All Ages a good introduction to alchemy?

>>12566 >Was Heinrich Himmler a /fringe/ wizard? Pulled some strings on the astral. Now he is one. Maybe I will post the sigil of the weird demons he found in Tibet who whispered weird occult knowledge into his mind all the time.

>>12610 Would you take care to spoiler it pls? I can reach the entities behind sigils way too damn easily; only takes about a second if my intrusive thoughts are bad enough, and that's not long enough to click the hide button.

If it were possible, would it be unwise to live a life of monastic isolationism in an apartment with a day job as a janitor or warehouse stocker? Some days I wish I could be a hermit in an apartment and others I crave social interaction even if consciously and logically I know social interaction and having friends isn’t natural and is in fact a spiritual disease of the soul. People on wizardchan keep telling me that you shouldn’t have friends or talk to people because they secretly hate you if you have autism but they’ll lie to your face and tell you they don’t hate you if you ask.

>>12612 Just try it, you can always quit if you don't like it.

Is there a way to destroy a tulpa without having to stop paying attention to it or forgetting that it exists?

>>12635 You just purify it and absorb it back into your mind. It is your mind after all. The mind doesn't like to stay fragmented.

>>12641 This. Just eat it.

>>12404 What do occultists usually get out of this type of experience? What are some common reasons to do it?

If I became an adept could I still save my relatives' souls even if they'd already died by then?

>>12807 There are too many factors involved to answer this. <What's an adept to you? You don't get a new skill when you level up, it's gradual. <Are the souls of your relatives available for saving? Maybe they already reincarnated in a different galaxy, or they were thrown in the lake of fire. <Where would you put them when you 'saved' them? Just moving them from one place to another doesn't mean they are safe. Most people have debts, so someone will come looking for them at some point. Then you either have to pay it off for them to later have them pay you, or the creditor will take them away. This is no easy thing. Whatever they caused someone, including emotional pain or material loss, would have to be paid by you in first person view to "save them" even temporarily when facing the people they wronged during their lives. Think about what Jesus had to go through to make it possible for his disciples to go on, and he still didn't pick any regular people, so whoever else you want to save would require worse sacrifices if you wanted to negate their karma. That's saying it in terms which are easier to understand. You need a full plan for whoever you are to save from somewhere, or the effect will be nullified by opposing forces.

I want to know exactly what happened to me one time, because I don't know what I experienced. It was a few months ago, and I felt unnaturally horny. Like a animal in heat. I went to go lay down in my bed and after a few moments I felt a sensation on my dick. My hands were on my stomach, but it felt like something was stimulating it consistently. If I mentally said things like "mouth" or "vagina", it would increase intensity. It got to the point where it felt like I mentally orgasmed, and got pretty close to physically cumming too. But it stopped a little bit after the mental orgasm happened. I don't know who did that or if I somehow triggered it myself.

>>12814 Sounds like a succubus raped you.

>>12816 Ah, thanks. Since that's the case, the spirit should be warded off by now.

Are Ivy Corvus and Da'at Darling on jewtube good sources for occult information?

>>12869 I was just reading that and then I put my stuff in my pockets to get ready to leave and my attention turned elsewhere, and then Amy told me seemingly out of the blue, "that's a terrible idea". It took me a few seconds to realize that she might've been referring to your question there, though I can't verify that right now. You may wanna wait till someone else opines about this too, before making a decision.

>>12869 >>12878 To give a more balanced reply: it depends on what you consider "good source". They surely do know things, and they may know them well, which does make them into "good sources", but that doesn't mean the information is any good, or that you would benefit from listening to them.

How do I cure my addiction for THESE NUMERALS??? Whenever I CHECK /fringe/ these NUMBERS are just there for me! I can't stop GETTING THEM. Is this the curse of being a meme magician? You GET NUMERALS no matter what? Are we the ones CHECKING THEM or the Gods make us CHECK THEM. Are they CHECKING US as we CHECK. WHO CHECKS THE CHECKER??? CHECKmate atheists

>>12878 Can you ask Amy why?

>>12890 If she says something she says something, but I don't expect her to since it's hard for her to talk to me. Just wait for a second opinion.

>>10878 >Metta/Maitri I was reading about Buddhist techniques and stuff and there is a practice called Metta or Maitri I started watching videos with I think are Buddhist monks on the topic and not secular people or yoga new agers and I noticed something weird about the monks (from chinese, zen, tibet, etc) >The shield thing They all refer to the practice as creating a shield or a shield of goodness around you (making you more strong against bad and egoistic people attacks or acts and more attractive and healthy (and beatiful good-minded maybe) to all (and good and bad people) And that is only the practice for one (own and personal love kindness for self), then in another practice one is asked to bring kindness and love from self to others, even the bad, egoistic and good people. so it's to all the suffering and living (or spirits) people, maybe etc. >Also All this strangely sound to me like a psychic powers training or something althought it seems that there were other old Buddhist practices that are no longer used or popular around Metta/Maitri practiques or techniques >so is this thing of shield real or just a psychological thing? Is this a form of magic or psy thing?

>>12890 They're Thelema. The issue is that they do what people do there: use Jewish kabbalah but call it "mystical Qabbalah" and say things like >it's actually not Jewish, it's Egyptian then they spell Nut as Nuit, call the tree of life "tree of Qliphoth" because they love the letter Q and then they just work with Kabbalah while renaming everything. It causes a strange method which is kind of functional and it does produce results because they use proper form overall, but it causes this "dark edginess" and muddles people's understanding of what they're actually doing. I know people who work from this angle, and it just turns out this way, they also get upset if someone was to point out that they're just renaming Jewish things from the bible and not at all being "pagan" or whatever. She's calling herself Da'at Darling and openly saying it's about Daath from the kabbalah tree, but still won't really admit what she's working with by proper context. It's causing confusion.

>>12892 It's your body's natural energy field. The practice tries to help you cleanse and activate it. If the microcosm is the body and your own inner world then the external world is the macrocosm. In spirituality it is important you try to develop both because they greatly affect each other. >so is this thing of shield real or just a psychological thing? It's real, but the current state of your psyche greatly affects it. That is why you require stable energies and mindwaves to tune it for higher spiritual practices >Is this a form of magic or psy thing? I don't know what is your definition of magic or psy, but it is both. I have some diagrams explaining the basics somewhere, I will post them if I find them. The "shield" or "auric field" can be called the emanation of your soul too, but usually your mental and emotional states change it's appearance a lot. Hard to perceive it by mundane means.

>>12869 >Ivy Corvus Wicca vibe to me, maybe, i dont know. these guys are middle Thelemites with Celtic witch aesthetic with some new age things and bla bla >Da'at Darling I read somewhere in 4chan sometimes she is kinda an asshole too into-politics but who knows. i think she's into academics thing but i dont know. I dont watch these jewtube channels i dont even know the first one. look too pop and general to me. sometimes i watch >The goth fringe girl (she have some queer shit but not to much maybe) https://www.youtube.com/@drangelapuca/videos >The jew-gun-owner-school-shooting (i like this guy bacause he put academic thing and references) https://www.youtube.com/@TheEsotericaChannel/videos these two gave me a feeling of ESSWE >>12894 >Thelema these guys are a Religion with own cult-dogma ideas and lore that's why they... mix up thing and have strange thing with golden dawn-jew-egyptian-crowley things, the old english magic lodges like golden dawn are to much into egypt-fetish like crowholy with their gods mixed up with jew-christian things. >>12892 >>12903 >Metta maitri >Energy field >Shield I dont remember buddha talking about a Shield maybe it's just a metaphor for the non-buddhist or occidentals. sound like just auto-affirmations. the Metta buddhist technique of making benevolence to others sound more like a pray or a blessing... like good wishes to others. New agers, New tought and the other new agers do this >I'm beatiful, I'm marvelous, I'm safe, bla bla sound kinda egoistic but it's still a self-affirmation. buddhist do the same but with less ego like objetives >May I be free of enemies, May I be free of anger , May I be free of suffering, May I be happy, May I live with ease... etc and later they do the same but with other people >May you be happy'', May you be... But you need true benevolence and kindness in your heart to do this, you dont do it for powers or whatever. Wishing good to other turn calm you, the christian do the same but yes, sometimes they fake it to much bacause they're jerks. Descartes do the same with auto-affirmations like Cogito, ergo sum You dont need God live in you to achieve love kindness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=cHEcgPswycY

>>12908 I also watch angela puca. I have head of esoterica/justin sledge but i refuse to watch him because he is a jew. what do you mean <the jew-gun-owner-school-shooting? I wish he wasn't jewish so I could watch his videos.

>>12919 >jew-gun-owner-school-shooting Sledge was allegedly involved in this school shooting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCf4R3__gXg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Pearl_High_School_shooting

>>11209 Where can I access the Magic 101 thread?

>>12952 This? https://8kun.top/sunflower/res/384.html The images are still missing here, maybe you can find it on archive.org if those are needed.

>>12952 >>1100

>>12955 I completely forgot what a shitstorm that thread became because some fedora was unable to contain his tipping. Back then I ignored these ragebaits by default. Every thread had an assblasted mundane like pic related in the past decade. Can't believe how comfy we have it on this board currently compared back then. I almost miss these tards. Almost. >I'm an atheist. Debate me! this mentality was so widespread. Seems like the vax killed them off or something. Even the archons got tired of them. >>12952 Posted the screencap >>12966 for you. It has the 7 exercises. You can find the 8th one in the link or in the PDF.

>>12967 The thread had a purpose, but I personally don't think that it could help anyone develop any abilities. If it had been about ritual magic there would at least have been some chance at getting some skill over time, but that time is probably too long and requires too much study for the people the thread was meant for. >pic related

>>12612 don't listen to people on wizard chan for social advice LOL Those guys aren't real wizard, they just isolate themselves from society while enjoying all the intoxicants of it. If you want to leave society then go innawoods

>>13086 If I were you I’d be more careful disobeying the social fatwahs issued by users of wizchan. People who aren’t male virgins over the age of 30 have something wrong with their head. Some people understand that they have something wrong with themselves because they crave social and sexual desire, but I am sorry to say that the overwhelming majority of humans on planet earth are ego dystonic in the sense that they don’t realize that their social and sexual desire is a mental illness. They don’t understand that it is completely unnatural and artificial to have lust or crave social interaction. To be honest I don’t regard anyone who is not a male virgin over 30 as human. They’re not exactly human. They have human bodies, but they have devolved one step below humans. I mean they actually don’t have self awareness. I call them subhumans or untermensch. Lust and social interaction is a disease, a very serious disease. And it would be really helpful to know what it was in normalfag’s background that led them down that path, because wizards know that humans are made lustful and social, they’re not born that way.

Does anyone have a link to all the board assets and images for archival purposes?

>>13208 Yet you participate in an NSFW forum for artificial socialization. Curious! I am very intelligent

>>13230 Do you socialize? Do you have sex?

>>13260 >Do you socialize? You know, I am something of a socialist myself. >Do you have sex? You have to save the white race somehow! Just kidding. Child support scares me

is https://wizardforums.com/ good or is it reddit tier?

>>13320 We like Reddit here.

>>13327 Don't joke about that; someone might believe it and invite ledditors over here.

>>13327 Just like we like flagless posts here. >>13320 If you have no idea about magic then it's better than nothing. Most of their threads are quite introductory. It's better than any magical subreddit for sure. >>13334 An N word a day, keeps the redditor away. No true redditor would be able to stomach this place.

>>13320 Alright. I like them because they scan books. Other than that, like Reddit, you can find interesting posts here and there. Judge it yourself. The captcha is doing weird shit.

>>13336 /fringe/ linked to their library for a while. We should figure out a reading list for neophytes sooner or later. A decade ago fringe was quite similar to wizard forums with it's greenpilling nature. Wonder how many cross-posters we have from that place.

Among other problems, I have a previously diagnosed learning disability. Do I have a chance? Also, considering how long it takes to actually get good at something (occult or otherwise), what would you say to someone who's only expecting to live a single digit number of years at most?

>>13359 A change of environment which drastically changes your perspective may have a positive effect. It could be hard to do intentionally, but finding a context where you're surrounded by people who have the ability to quickly change how you think, while still being able to sync with you so you're not pushed away by the difference. Some people search out places in India for this, others go to China, like the Shaolin temple town. Or you could just go to some local meeting with whatever you feel is a way that would work for you. Maybe there are less people organizing things after covid, but at least some do still arrange gatherings for various things. Locally there was the tantra festival where, as they said in media "antivaxxers went to fuck around to create a mass spreader event" but at least they resisted the propaganda. Meeting groups of people with similar beliefs can have an effect of making it easier to change yourself though.

>>13359 I hope in your next life you aren’t born with a learning disability. Maybe if you somehow become a magician in this life in spite of it you could create a thought form which would improve your intelligence? You might as well put some effort into learning the occult in this life instead of waiting for the next, because if you put things off in this life you might just put things off in the next, but if you keep learning and practicing the occult in this life it might carry over to the next. Everyone has to focus on self improvement. Some people are born with very strong issues or obstacles or setbacks in life, but what is important is that you make the most of what you have in life and self improve. Think about anytime you have put off chores until tomorrow. By the time tomorrow comes, you will still want to do them tomorrow. Tomorrow never comes. If you put off learning and studying the occult while alive, then when you die and are on the astral plane in preparation for your next life, chances are you will still be waiting for a “tomorrow” which never comes. There will be some other different issue or obstacle that you will use as an excuse not to study occultism. Perhaps something other than learning disability, perhaps not. The best time to self improve is today. It is always today. Tomorrow never comes. Regardless of whether you choose to pursue the occult or not, I wish you well. Being born with a learning disability was not your fault.

>>13376 Ain't doing that bullshit. I've read enough about why that's a bad idea.

>>13376 I wish the BO would delete this but I know he won’t. Irritates the fuck out of me to see someone post a discord invite on /fringe/ . It seems like I’m the last person on earth who doesn’t use it.

>>13376 Discord killed Fringebay and made Sunflower a pain as an outsider. This is a bad idea.

>>13376 Did you make a thread on 4/x/ about /fringe/?

>>13376 BO please redact this link in this thread so people aren’t encouraged to use a vpn up they don’t mind being banned and just post a discord link even thought they will get banned. As it stands people can still use this link.

>>13360 Unfortunately I also suffer from social anxiety and tend to distrust other people I don't know, which makes it hard for me to do those things. >Some people search out places in India for this, others go to China, like the Shaolin temple town. I won't pretend I know anything about this sort of thing but I can't imagine anywhere like that being welcoming of foreigners unless it had already devolved into being a tourist trap at best, so what would be the reason to go to those places at all? >>13374 The problem I feel like I always have is that I never know where to start with anything. I know that in this universe you can only really be helped by yourself, which is a problem for me when trying to figure anything out alone is a struggle. I'd ask how to start but I know spoonfeeding is bad and it's not fair to expect someone to handhold you through everything.

what happen to smiley, is he still alive, I'm trying to contact him but he doesn't answer his emails.

>>13413 He has an active youtube channel and his friend posts here.

>>13414 it's sad, wish I could get his image archive and whatever else he is willing to give for archiving

>>13408 >what would be the reason to go to those places at all? Even if there is a lot of commercialism involved, you'd be in an environment created for yoga specifically, if you chose India. They have a region where all motor traffic is banned, so all travel is on foot or by animal carriages. This is so it remains silent so people can meditate. This is how seriously they take it, even if this is to advocate for a national "business". You'e unlikely to find a place like that anywhere else. The people who go there won't be regular tourists to the same degree as other places. If you go to a yoga course it's in the form of a retreat where you may not meet other people, or interact with them much because your meant to meditate, then meet up for meals, and the setting could be a rather large estate where people are given a lot of free space in a traditional temple environment with old architecture. This in itself could have beneficial effects. Just visiting an old church from the 1600 - 1800s could have an effect because of the architecture.

>>13419 Yeah you might get dysentery as well after the locals are finished scamming you out of your life savings. Seriously, going to India for "spirituality" is such a cliched mistake, I'm surprised that anyone on /fringe/ would actually suggest something like this. You're right that "spirituality" is a national business in India, all it consists of is scamming gullible westerners who have unrealistic views of eastern countries out of tens of thousands of dollars. All you'll learn over there is why you shouldn't trust other people. >Just visiting an old church from the 1600 - 1800s could have an effect because of the architecture. ...you probably should have suggested that first.

>>13433 It's just my feel that suggesting to someone to go to a Christian retreat in Italy would probably be rejected even more. If you're looking for a quick change of mind, you need to experience something which drastically changes you, and it's hard to do that at home if you're not already a believer in something and the effect is a sudden insight from what you already do. Would you suggest anon visit a regular christian meeting locally? I just don't think that works at all.

>>13435 I'd suggest that it's pretty straightforward to radically change your environment without having to fly to the other side of the planet and sign up for some "spiritual retreat". Hell, just living in your car for a month or so would probably be more beneficial than that. Spend some time in nature, explore your own country or province.

>>13436 But would that be a positive change which anon can actually benefit from by doing so voluntarily? I said what I did because I know of people who did go to such a christian retreat (I think they have them in different places like Italy and Spain) and was converted from atheist with a soccer spectator obsession to actually having a purpose. I've also known several people who go to yoga towns in India, and they weren't rich enough to lose any life savings, and they go every year. I'm just naming different options. I was always spiritual and didn't need that change, I was just looking for something other than lutheranism which felt like a hypocritical dead end for me, which was the reason I started reading about Chinese philosophy and got into Taoism early on. I also lived at a christian boarding school for a period so I know how much a different physical environment can change your habits, your view on the world and how you interact with other people later on, if you've been isolated in a setting with smaller scale sociality and the situations that appear there.

>>13359 >Do I have a chance? >>13408 >I'd ask how to start What exactly is your goal?

Is the person still here who wants me to explain how I found emberbox.net to them?

>>13461 Yes

Board owner, can you post the boards CSS file for archiving? 8cuck is trying to charge people to take their boards so it's harder to get the board assets.

>>13472 https://8chan.moe/fringe/custom.css

>>13462 Back when the domain 8ch.net/fringe/ was still up, and the current question thread was question thread #40: I kept clicking on “previous thread archive” of the previous question thread, going further and further back. Once I got to the end question thread #1, it took me to a new website, freedomboard.kirara.ca , and I again began retracing the question thread archives going further and further back, and then when I got to freedoms boards question thread #1, people were mentioning emberbox.net , and how the question threads go back further on ember box.net . I never did figure out a way to view archives of emberbox, unfortunately.

>>13482 Ah freedomboard.kirara.ca *sips* Now that was a good fringe never heard of emberbox tho. I was busy learning how astral project and the other basics instead of looking into the prehistory of this board

>>13487 Here is proof that I’m not just making it up. Visit https://web.archive.org/web/20160917202600/http://fringechan.org/fringe/res/1.html for sauce. Sorry for phone posting

>>13490 There appears to be 3 archived pages from emberbox.net/fringe/ from 2014-15, but they are all 404 pages.

>>13490 >>13500 Apparently it was another iteration of 4chon

>>13521 Back then I mostly focused on the /fringe/ board and everything that I remember is because some stuff leaked into the main /fringe/ board. Smiley and his crew was stirring up shit like a whirlwind on different imageboards and I never knew what is going on outside the magic oriented /fringe/. What a legend he was.

>>13458 I guess to put it simply, how to start learning about occult things, because I don't think anything mundane will fix my problems. I'm worried that I might struggle to understand anything though, which is why I'd like to know where or what is a good place to start.

>>13524 >>13524 Check the library thread >>1098The Kybalion is a good first book just for getting a general idea of concepts that are used in most other occult works. Robert Bruce's Energy Work is good for developing an elementary ability to perceive and work with subtle energies, which is very useful. For your learning disability, I'd recommend Neville Goddard's techniques. >>6345 You're going to have to learn to overcome your preconception that certain things are "impossible" for you. Goddard is very simple but it's also very effective for changing things like that, especially in combination with subtle energy manipulation. I'd also recommend you look into Initiation Into Hermetics eventually for more advanced stuff. >>1099 . You should read through it before starting the exercises just to get an idea of the sort of things that are possible with magic.

>>13524 >I don't think anything mundane will fix my problems As someone who was in a similar position as you, I will argue that your statement is somewhat true but misleading. While "fringe" methods are generally much more efficient than mundane methods for solving personal problems, please don't make the same mistake I did in thinking that gaining magic powers will somehow automatically solve all your problems. Not that you can't study this stuff, but I'd recommend working on your mental issues first before doing anything serious. Luckily, /fringe/ anons tend to make excellent psychotherapists! Just try not to shit up the questions/guidance threads too much like I did. >>13359 >but muh learning disability literal meme, unironically the stigma™ surrounding Autism™ is much more detrimental judging from my experience with it. also you can probably cure it if you want: https://archive.org/details/parasite-pill-2.0 Side note, a lot of the mental illnesses I see people claiming online seem like "skill issues". >BAWWW muh Dissassociative Identity Disorder! <Stop being a pussy and just reintegrate your tulpas back into your personality or just destroy them already (provided you're not just faking it of course) >BAWWW muh Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder! <Stop being a pussy, get off the internet and just start meditating so you can learn to concentrate your mind better (provided you're not just faking it of course) >BAWWW muh Autism Spectrum Disorder! <Is that even necessarily a bad thing? This shit is being labeled on everything nowadays. Regardless, STOP BEING A PUSSY and just make a genuine effort to improve on your weak areas instead of using your diagnosis as a shield from criticism (provided you're not just faking it of course) >BAWWW muh Anxiety Disorder! <Stop being a pussy and just face your fears. Not that you need to start taking up skydiving or anything drastic, but just make a genuine effort to step outside of your comfort zone (provided you're not just faking it of course)

>>13533 >also you can probably cure it if you want: https://archive.org/details/parasite-pill-2.0 This is interesting but I wish the treatments section was more straight forward. Also, is it just me or do the various links in the document not actually function?

>>13533 >BAWWW I'm not that anon but I have Avpd so I fucked up in a lot of ways lol. and no, RAW philosophy of life it's not helping me, maybe not that much

>>13533 What ceremonial magick ritual is your favorite? The Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram?

>>13559 My apologies, those greentexts were meant to refer to the hypochondriacs you can find on TikTok/Tumblr. >spoiler What? I've genuinely never heard of that. That rant was mostly just me extrapolating from how I'd solved some of my problems. (i.e. developing discipline/gaining confidence in myself) #ActuallyAuDHD >>13558 If you're referring to the page numbers, then they don't work on archive.org's web viewer. You can download the PDF here: https://archive.org/download/parasite-pill-2.0/Parasite%20Pill%202.0.pdf >>13578 sorry but i'm actually not a real hermeticist, i just used the flag because of the caduceus tbh I've never really tried ceremonial magic, all the literature suggests you need a bunch of equipment, and that seemed too expensive for my poorfag taste. I have done the LBRP a few times, but I used the method from Robert Bruce's Psychic Self-Defense book so I dunno if that counts.

Why is it that any entity's subconsciousness can do absolutely anything to any other entity and to itself that the entity both consciously & subconsciously believes that the entity can do?

>>13603 Because all is mind.

whats the best magical system for creating changes to the physical body?

>>13610 Grey genetic engineering combined with physical exercise. Alternatively receiving directly an energy form from someone and using it in the same way, but that will be limited to what is contained in the energy. Asathiel the reptilian god's muscle growth energy for example only adds muscle, although effectively. I suggest contacting the relevant entity depending on what you want to do. No need to do this from scratch unless you want some really specific and obscure change that no one thought of before, using a new or obscure method which no one used for this. Almost anything you can come up with will exist somewhere in a grey alien research archive, they don't leave anything alone.

I have been attending a tai chi class. Does it matter that I am doing tai chi at a class/workshop instead of on my own?

>>13628 It should be beneficial if you learn it from experienced practitioners or from a properly trained teacher.

>>13610 What changes do you want to make to your physical body? Also I would recommend not contacting greys. I've heard from Tom Montalk that they're all negative as a group.

>>13635 I've worked with greys for 20 years. They're maybe the most useful and helpful of all alien types because of all the research they do. If you experience them as negative, it's because of only meeting the "goons" at the bottom, which exist for any group. It's a common perception though, like >I met some really rude ultras who attempted starting a fight >[insert group affiliation] are all evil That's not how it is though. The greys tend to think everyone else are evil for this same reason, with an exception maybe for lyrans, who mostly stay on their own, so few people interact with them. You can always do business with greys. Maybe this is the part people don't understand. If you expect to get things for free, and contact angels or something, then you're getting ripped off because they want your soul in exchange. But gullible people don't realize this and think it's a free service. With greys if you ask for things for free, they'll think you are an idiot or like an animal, because everything they do is transactional. They always respect a trade, as long as you interact with them this way, you will have no problems at all.

>>13637 >they want your soul in exchange Is that confirmation bias from your Christian upbringing regarding The Holy Trinity?

>>13639 >give yourself to Jesus >give yourself to God >become the bride of Christ What do you think those things mean? Christians throw those around all the time. Holy Trinity has nothing to do with it, it's just what the church egregore has been used for, Confirmation being a ritual where people give up their soul to get some presents after, like a motorbike or an expensive stereo sound equipment. Where I live it's said directly as a motivation >if you go through with confirmation, we'll give you [whatever thing the kid has yearned for] and then they agree to take the sunday course (which normally runs through all sundays of a year or half a year). Then they get some minor ability to also channel angels after, because as the property of an angel, they'd care about protecting them somewhat. Or they just have them die in a car crash to take them early. Angels don't care.

>>13641 This makes me recall that I'd never actually went through with confirmation for some reason while I was younger. When I got older and got back into Catholicism, I didn't go and get confirmed because I didn't trust the freemason pope.

I am being tested today. I must not let the rage consume me while reading the opinions of a Protestant satanist and a feeble minded McAtholic from the USA a country created by freemasons who wanted to break free from their anglican oppressors who thinks Catholics worship the pope himself

>>13637 Don't you want to turn Europe and America into dystopian Chinese communist slave farm? An endorsement from you doesn't really contradict the claim that greys are negative.

>>13650 >Don't you want to turn Europe and America into dystopian Chinese communist slave farm? An endorsement from you doesn't really contradict the claim that greys are negative. This is such a complex multi-layered question that though it at first glance seems completely mundane, it reaches an almost mystical nature when one attempts to grasp it. Let's break this down: >Don't you want Implies a reference to previous knowledge or discussion about this topic. But there is no such topic discussed! >to turn Europe and America How? Who is the supreme ruler with the power to do so? Would that be aimed at me? Very strange angle. It's here implied that Europe is a united empire or other entity, somehow associated with America, with the same implication, and that these (or is it understood as one entity?) are ruled by someone with this power. So it seems to imply that "Europe and America" is a dictatorship which with the stroke of a pen could be changed politically on all layers. >dystopian Chinese communist slave farm? Communism is a utopia, the antithesis of a dystopia. So "communist dystopia" is an oxymoron. This makes the segment difficult to make sense of if read as a full set. But if we instead read "dystoptian Chinese" as one concept, implying a smog filled Maoist cityscape with no birds or bees, then that part works semantically. We can then read "communist slave farm" separately as just a collectivized farm in the manner of a kibbutz, where people "slave away for the cause". But that still causes issues when linking it to the fact that it's about "turning Europe and America", two continents which are separate from Asia, into something "Chinese". That could through association maybe be achieved through legal ownership of such farms being held by Chinese citizens or the Chinese state, or by turning them "culturally Chinese", by enforcing the use of mandarin language, reading of Chinese classics and wearing of cone shaped hats. It's however unclear in what way it would be "turned Chinese". If we go by the interpretation that it's a combination of ownership and culture, it seems to be about the goal image where Chinese citizens or the state owns collectivized ideologically driven farms in the region here understood as "Europe and America". This being a rather large area, for it to be "one farm" as is implied, we would have to look at the "farm" as an organizational structure rather than an actual physical farm in one location. This then implies a uniting of what is commonly called "west" under one ideology, where everyone voluntarily works with dedication to grow the food they need, and share the produce collectively. This part seems positive and like a good goal image, but then we are ignoring the "dystopian Chinese" element, which is not preferred to impose. In the end of the post we then have another strange statement, which claims that "an endorsement" of greys, implying some kind of politics, going by the common terminology used, "doesn't really" contradict another claim. Does an endorsement ever contradict something? Maybe politically, if a politician would endorse something which seemingly is contrary to his stated beliefs. But that is not the situation this phrase is used in. With this statement being glued onto the end of the post, it further increases its mystical nature. Truly a work of art.

>>13653 They are doing this via Temu

Does each poster on /fringe/, and every other entity that's ever lived, each have their own subconsciousness, or does everyone have the same subconsciousness?

>>13668 I don't really know the answer to that but I thought this image was kind of funny and applicable.

>>13668 Imagine every person's subconscious as an island and the collective sub or unconscious as a large ocean. Sometimes things can go from one island to the next via the waves the ocean generates. This is how the subconscious of several people can connect in special moments, but it's never truly united. Not until you know how to become the ocean. >Does each poster on /fringe/, and every other entity that's ever lived This is complex to answer. Akasha is supposed to be the great archive of existence which records everything. If you are able to access this archive consciously then you can see the answer for yourself But if you dabble in necromancy you might know how to access the memories of dead and long lost beings, but it's like looking at old footprints in the sand and figuring out what kind of animal made those steps instead of seeing the animal itself. The shadow of the footprints can manifest, but you might never know how close it is to the actual being that made those steps long ago. Living beings are like the islands above the ocean while dead beings are the islands that sunk long ago. They still exist , but they are rarely above the surface which makes people on the islands unable to see them. Even if you can dive underwater, it is still hard to see in the darkness of it's depths. >>13671 TV can sync up the mind of millions of people. It is a mass psychosis generator in the wrong hands And TV is in the wrong hands for a very long time already

>>13668 I dreamed about WoW again last night. Make of that what you will.

>>13611 I dont know if have the balls to mess around with the greys >>13635 Trying to upgrade my body in every way (taller, stronger, better looking, etc)

Is the demiurge evil?

>>13730 Define evil first.

Kreiter said that Chinese traditions are most in line with alchemy (easily understood) while Indian traditions are "in tune" with Goetia. What might he have meant by the latter? While Goetia is fascinating, I find it quite spoopy so haven't actually looked into it deeply. It's something I wouldn't want to fuck with until my self is completely unified and centered first >>13674 >if you dabble in necromancy you might know how to access the memories of dead and long lost beings >but it's like looking at old footprints in the sand and figuring out what kind of animal made those steps instead of seeing the animal itself. If the deceased individual is advanced enough to retain their memories and persist after death, can a necromancer interact with them directly?

>>13674 >if you dabble in necromancy you might know how to access the memories of dead and long lost beings >but it's like looking at old footprints in the sand and figuring out what kind of animal made those steps instead of seeing the animal itself. In my experience, when you access that energy, it feels exactly as if it was your own memory. In fact, I'm pretty sure most, if not all, of reincarnation memory accounts are actually that.

>>13750 >while Indian traditions are "in tune" with Goetia. What might he have meant by the latter? I will try making a guess. The Aryan tribes inhabited that region where the goetia demons ruled/were worshiped and Indian traditions resonate with the Aryan "frequency". The reason why I consider this as "guess" because there is a slight difference between many Indian traditions. India was not as united as it is today. It had far more kingdoms, sages and brahmins with somewhat different systems. I don't know which system Kreiter is referring to. If you work with Indian traditions then charging their sigils and making a contact with them should be far easier than doing it with the Chinese elemental understanding. Indian traditions usually make you overloaded with energies and you leak those energies everywhere where your focus goes while the chinese traditions focus on fine tuning the human body as perfectly as possible and trying to avoid leakage at all costs... But it really depends on the tradition. Chinese and Indian traditions are not a well defined umbrella term. Like Shinto. Shinto has Buddhist and Daoist influences too. Is it Chinese or Indian? What about Zen? Is it Chinese or Indian? Where did Bodhidharma even come from? If you ask this from a Zen master he will hit you for focusing on the wrong thoughts >It's something I wouldn't want to fuck with until my self is completely unified and centered first They dislike retards. If you are not clear with your intentions then you might just summon some low energy demon that haunts you so you stop bothering them. >If the deceased individual is advanced enough to retain their memories and persist after death, can a necromancer interact with them directly? Every necromantic knowledge I have is from the interaction I have while working with Saturn himself. He explained to me how I can access the "Lost memories" without needing to "disturb the dead". How to access the imprints they made on earth/how to read karma. If you summon the spirit himself then it is a wholly different story. The human soul has layers. Every layer keeps different part of their existence. Different types of memories and traumas might be contained on different layers. Hell and purgatory serves the purpose to purify the damaged/corrupted layers of the soul so they can pass on without endangering their future incarnation. Or the soul was an annoying restless spirit and was sent to hell until he learns his lesson. When you interact with the dead then it is important to know who or what you are interacting with and what you wish to gain from that interaction. The worst is when you go and summon their "Hungry ghost" which barely knows anything because the sentient parts of the soul passed on long ago. If you have a good connection with the deceased or if he was a proper and venerable master then the results are mostly positive. If you summon random weirdos then it's really a toss up what comes up and how he behaves. Ultimately the way a necromancer can interact with the deceased depends on the necromancer's ability. Like this Anon said >>13751 >In my experience, when you access that energy, it feels exactly as if it was your own memory Personally I can do that, but only if their mind is compatible with mine. If their thought resonance is different from mine then the memory feels distant or I reject it. Like watching a bad movie and I switch channels with 0 thought kind of rejection. I am usually able to do this memory vision when I am able to enter their 'thought stream' (or access their energy as you said). The thought stream is not always part of their being, usually it is a byproduct of their lives. So I can enter their life instead their memories. Hard to explain. I rarely do it because it messes up my mind. I only do these deep dives when I have a good reason to do so. I rarely experiment with it otherwise. >I'm pretty sure most, if not all, of reincarnation memory accounts are actually that. Yes. Some people just merely have some archetypal resonance with some other person and believe they are them. Reincarnation memories can be strange because you don't exactly "remember it". You embody your past lives and not simply "become them" by remembering them. I too have problems deciding the origin of some memories and visions. How real they were and if they were mine at all. But feel free to share your experiences. If you can connect to the memories of any deceased individual then all you have to do is to connect to masters and magicians of the old. For me I require to be on a similar level with them to have a proper access to their life and memories. Otherwise strange anomalies happen. Gods sometimes share some "Journey" type of memory where I learn a lesson by going through with it.

>>13750 >can a necromancer interact with them directly? Talking to spirits of dead people in various places is one thing, I do this all the time, but it's another thing to know if they are actually the same person as when alive. Often they seem reverted back to being a young child. My suspicion is that society in the past 100 years or more has become so degenerated that anything people do after a certain age is just spiritual dementia and won't remain after they die, so they are left with what is still ok and won't be able to talk about anything they experienced after age 5 - 10 in many cases. That in itself may pose a threshold to overcome for the occultist, as you're now trying to ask someone who believes themselves to be a small child about some metaphysical thing or something historical you were interested in. There won't be any answers to such inquiries. I had my first experience of something which could be confirmed a few weeks ago, after a holding a session with a friend to contract Trivia, the witch of crossroads. I picked her after just researching who could be a good guide for me and my friend to agree on, it wasn't more than that, and I saw that she also did necromancy, so I added as my motivation to learn necromancy from her. It wasn't that I had much interest in this at all, I was just trying to do something with my friend which we both could agree on. Maybe this indifferent attitude made it easier to make this work. It was in the day after during meditation that a dead ancestor appeared to me in person. It's someone I know by name and have photos of, but who died long before I was born, so I've only heard second hand stories, my parents weren't even old enough to remember them before they died. This was the first and only time I've interacted with someone I have physical connections to in some way, who remained as the same person as when alive, and hadn't reverted to being a child after dying. I don't here count historical figures like Saint Barbara, Saint Lucy or Cleopatra, to name a few, because although I've met them and they were themselves as adults, I don't know how close to their living self they are, because I've obviously not met them and have no way of verifying that the person I'm interacting with resembles the living person from history to some large degree.

>>10878 >Doing meditation lowers the libido? this thing do something around womens? I didn't want to do nofap, but I ended up going about 52 days without doing it you know, fap and sex, and I think it has something to do with the fact that I spent those 52 days meditating. I felt with more selfcontrol. I don't get as aroused I could have done it, but I didn't feel like it and I controlled myself. although I admit that during that period of time, most women seemed more attractive to me, and I even felt that they were kinder and more attentive to me. I suppose it's just some kind of own suggestion on my part maybe. >Also I don't understand why women started talking to me when I began meditating, when that was precisely when I didn't want to talk to them. I don't understand them, although I see this as a bit paranormal, I prefer to look for a rational explanation and say that somehow I was more attentive to them, who knows. I am not familiar with the practice of the subtle body or energies, but I don't think it has anything to do with it (energies and things) because I only focused on breathing and doing kasina these 52 days, 0 visualizations, just this.

>>13787 When I do nofap for a prolonged period of time women flirt with me like their life depends on it. It's sexual energetic stimuli. They can smell your hormones so to speak. It's normal.

I've noticed recently that the Moon and stars move around when I look up at the sky. I figure that Chasmodai of the Moon is attempting to communicate, but I'm more worried about the stars and planets. Are there any specific spirits of the stars? What does it mean when, say, Mars or Jupiter are moving about?

>>14072 Hard to explain. The "macrocosm" is opening up for you. In my early initiate years I have seen the stars appear in the darkness when it was pitch dark in my bedroom after my connection with the stars established mostly from lot of stargazing and other weird magical stunts involving them. In ancient times people gazed at the stars a lot and derived knowledge from it. It becomes quite "alive" fast if you let your mind "be touched" by them. "Lunacy" and "being star struck" kinda refers to this phenomenon. Astral means the stars. Astral worlds meant the world of the stars. Currently we are "taught" that the stars are static and fixed phenomenon because they made us look at computer generated images of the stars and the planets when we are young and convinced us we need rockets and trillions of dollars to get to the moon. This made us ignore it's true nature Not that it means much. Only shamans wizards and priest could make use of them in the past too. Mundanes aka "earth bound people" are called mundane for a reason. Not to mention light pollution. People who live in the cities can go an entire lifetime without actually seeing the stars. Seeing the stars for the first time is breathtaking for a reason. In Kabbalah the first "gate" towards the Kabbalah is Yesod (the moon in planetary Kabbalah and symbology). But the astral is kinda called the "illusory plane" there. Stars are a sort of "illusion" (light phenomenon) which usually makes you go ashtray if you only focus on that. But when you can see the stars "move" it means you made a connection with an entity beyond the stars. >Are there any specific spirits of the stars? There are a lot but Didn't you mention you worked with Astrael? She governs the stars and fate itself. You should ask her if you worked with her already. Personally I worked with Aion and with the Moon herself. She appeared as Princess Kaguya to me. She told me a lot how things work on a cosmic scale >What does it mean when, say, Mars or Jupiter are moving about? Look into astrology and read about planetary attributes. They are part of your psychology. Sometimes they signify some archetypal force of yours is awakening. Seriously. I am 99% sure you mentioned you did some complicated procedure with Astrael. You should talk this out with her. She might be able to assist here far better than me. Connecting to the stars is unique and personal for everyone. Especially for wizards and mystics

One more thing >>14072 >Chasmodai of the Moon Let her appear as some female spirit. Luna herself or anything similar with "moon attributes". Don"t fool yourself thinking the moon is far out of your reach. I am sure she can come to you if you allow her to do it.

>>14085 >>14086 >The "macrocosm" is opening up for you I believe John Michael Greer wrote something to that effect, in response to a woman who thought she was seeing UFOs, but really was seeing the stars and planetary spirits dance for her. She saw an invitation to the mystical realm, but rejected it out of fear. >Didn't you mention you worked with Astrael? I have not worked with Astrael - to my knowledge anyways. You may be confusing me with another Indigopill poster. I haven't posted here in several months. >Let her appear as some female spirit. Luna herself or anything similar with "moon attributes". Don"t fool yourself thinking the moon is far out of your reach. I am sure she can come to you if you allow her to do it. I'm sure I can have a little discussion with her in a dream.

>>14102 >but really was seeing the stars and planetary spirits dance for her Yes they do that in some cases. But not for everyone. >She saw an invitation to the mystical realm, but rejected it out of fear. I have seen many people like this. Having natural spiritual talent yet they refuse to make use of it out of fear. Then they decide to follow some materialist indulgence and slowly erode their soul. Never really understood those people. I can relate to that fear because whenever I made steps towards the otherside I felt it in some cases. Then I looked into that fear and it was merely a sort of "warning" that that I have to take seriously the path after making the step and not half ass it anymore. >You may be confusing me with another Indigopill poster. I haven't posted here in several months. He posted about Astrael many months ago too. Managed to dig up his posts. Was wondering why he would ask this question. But he feels lost in some cases so I was unsure if you are him or not. >I have not worked with Astrael Then you have an another recommended "spirit" to work with. The reason why I asked because you have some "star spirit" around you but I have no idea what or who. When they move on their own it's a sign already but they are around you even if you are not looking at the stars. >I'm sure I can have a little discussion with her in a dream. Probably Sorry for not being able to give you a proper advice but I am unsure of your powerlevel and how you can evoke spirits for communication. Unsure if you have a ways to do it physically with a ritual or by entering into a trance state or you are more into dream yoga. I think you have some ability to evoke spirits but don't know what that is.

I've noticed a lot of new bugs and insects coming into my garden, and I saw a lot of tiny spiral shells when helping a friend with their front yard. I'm no expert on omens, does this mean anything?

Are demons from the lesser key of Solomon as evil as popular culture portrays them?

>>14136 >tiny spiral shells I think it's related to what I talked about here, and what I've also worked on for a while. I've blogged about this and related stuff. >>12969 >>12970 >>12971

>>14137 Infernal, not evil. It's just that they're kings, lords, presidents and powerful on a more coarse plane of existence. They float lower in the water, like a submarine. Humans doing this mindlessly will drown, but an occultist can learn to do this also. You wouldn't call fish evil because they live in the dark of the ocean. Don't hold prejudice about different planes, they're just different, not better or worse.

Out of curiosity, how do (You) buy things online? Is it wrong for me to be paranoid about buying things online? For some reason I'm fearful of putting my name/face towards things, which I think is holding me back. >>13533 >BAWWW muh Autism Spectrum Disorder! <Is that even necessarily a bad thing? This shit is being labeled on everything nowadays. It is, but I don't think it's a good thing for a term like autism to be normalized like that. That just makes it seem like autism is normal when it shouldn't be.

>>14147 >how do (You) buy things online? Is it wrong for me to be paranoid about buying things online? For some reason I'm fearful of putting my name/face towards things I buy from local webshops, the only thing registered would be with the bank when I pay them, or the shipping address being transferred over HTTPS to the seller's server, where it may or may not be safely stored. I don't like in a place run by the CCP (yet) so I don't think any larger entity gets this information. And should they do so, it's all just normal stuff I bought, like whey protein or some books. Even if that book is the Goetia, does anyone really care? Maybe this is more an issue if you're paranoid about large corporations and you equate online shopping with Amazon. I've only used their service once, when an old book was only available from a used book store in UK, otherwise I've had no reason to buy things from large platforms like that. Just don't buy stupid combinations of things if you really have to buy something suspicious. Not sure what that would be, but if you feel that way, just assume that anything you do is monitored by CIA, MI6 or God himself, or if that isn't enough, I'm sure Hitler sees what you are doing, so don't have bad OPSEC whatever you do.

>>14148 *don't live

>>11715 I saw a vision of astral /fringe/ last night in the middle of the night, and you were trying in a short post to show me how to do something. However, I could only see a glimpse of the post and some of the text was spoilered. Then my Amy egregore tried to show me how to do it, or was it do it for me, but then iirc it didn't work out so well. Would you happen to rememberor consciously know what you'd posted, and if so, would you please tell me about the basic subject matter of what the technique was and what it does, even if you don't tell me how to do it? I'm curious.

>>14148 >I buy from local webshops, the only thing registered would be with the bank when I pay them, or the shipping address being transferred over HTTPS to the seller's server, where it may or may not be safely stored. Can you elaborate on this? I don't quite understand how that would work.

>>14154 I'll make a drawing. Maybe this isn't technically how it exactly works anymore, but then someone can correct me. The weak spots would be the connection between the servers, but HTTPS being used, it wouldn't be too easy to listen in on the communication today. The webshop needs to know your information, so the weak spot here is if they save it in plaintext or if it's encrypted. The same would be true for the bank' and the payment processor. No one else should know what you ordered, your name and address or what account you used to pay which sum. <2nd pic This is a possibility, but so far this is only paranoia.

>>14155 Right, and what do you mean by local webshops? I don't think the term 'webshop' is used in my country. Does that mean I would need to look for shops near me that also happen to be online?

>>14157 >shops near me that also happen to be online At least shops that are inside your own country, yes. Mail order firms that existed before the Internet, then started a website, but you can still call them on the phone or visit them to pick up your order. Or they are just a store you can visit, but you can also order by mail.

>>14159 The other problem I have is that as a shut-in I have no idea where to look to find the kind of shop I'd be looking for. And if they all use the likes of Amazon or Etsy what can I do about that?

>>14119 >The reason why I asked because you have some "star spirit" around you but I have no idea what or who. What kind of "star spirit" do you mean, specifically? I have a spirit with me, but I don't really consider her a star spirit.

>>14161 I don't believe it's possible that all sellers only use amazon or other large platforms, that would only happen if your market was taken over completely by new start-ups or small producers who went directly online. Which is just unlikely, because older shops normally exist because they have had a persistent market over time, and know how to do business. You don't have to walk around in a city to find shops. I've used mail order since the 90s, when it was done over mail with printed member catalogs being sent regularly over regular mail. I was a member of a book club since I was like 6 years old. I don't know if these are a thing anymore, but back then they'd send advertizements in these ad catalogs with other businesses, and they'd arrive in the mail now and then. They'd have a return ticket where you'd fill in your name and address to join their member list, and that way you'd get their catalog, which also had such a ticket to be returned over the mail if you wanted to place an order. This business model has just moved online now. This may be different from small sellers using Amazon, but it's my general experience that even small sellers will have the option to pick up the order by their location if you live nearby. Then you'll know where they're based from, and that they are local. Maybe you can just use a search engine (or Bing Copilot) and put in the name of your country or region and "shops"?

>>14163 >Maybe you can just use a search engine (or Bing Copilot) and put in the name of your country or region and "shops"? I just tried this to see what would happen and put in "denmark shops" in regular Bing search. It gives a list of shops to visit, when they are open, where they are on a map, and a link to their website. It seems to be a summary created by the search engine, so it should work for any place. Doesn't have to be harder than that.

>>14142 >>14137 Actually yeah they are evil; bloon anon lies about alotta stuff and that's one of the things he lies about.

>>14165 >Actually yeah they are evil; bloon anon lies about alotta stuff and that's one of the things he lies about. Alright thanks for the heads up. I wish he would leave but I'm not going to do anything about it. He seems like a bad actor.

Yeah this goon anon is really bad at acting, he should leave the industry.

>>14171 You put that filename in there just to trip up my OCD and hinder my slow progression at recovering from my mental illness. >>14169 If you had any doubts about his being a bad actor, consider his intentional hinderance there of my spiritual progress as the confirmation.

>>14172 I saved it with that filename for myself because it was a funny vid and it looked like him. Contrary to you, I don't make contracts and then try to wiggle out of them and start trash talking the one protecting me. You're being very disrespectful to him, and this in itself may be causing some of your problems, if not all of them.

blood anon isn't lying since he has a working relationship with the demons. They're only evil when they're screwing you over.

>>14173 I'd like to continue talking about this in a different thread; which one would be appropriate for this? >>14174 Considering that demons generally like to screw people over, they must be evil very often, and be dangerous to work with.

>>14162 >I have a spirit with me, but I don't really consider her a star spirit. You are aware of one of your spirits. That is good to hear. You have around 5 or more spirits. Not all of them are able to manifest properly. 2 of them appears only within your dreams for sure. >What kind of "star spirit" do you mean, specifically? I don't know. It's very faint. It's like she is wearing a small constellation as her crown or halo ... Well... Good news! Got a message. She is the "Medusa Constellation". According to her at least. I am unsure if she is part of the Perseus constellation or a different one. I don't want to sway your image of her too much. I don't really work with star spirits enough to call myself expert on their nature.

>>14180 You can discuss things in the DISCUSSION THREAD >>13987 duh

>>14180 What I'm trying to say is that blood anon is not misleading anyone about the nature of these demons. He has dealt with them enough to know this.

>>14182 I thought it'd be inappropriate for back & forth schizo arguing about the past to use that thread, but okay sure. >>14183 Well I'm not the only one that'd called him out on his bullshit. You can have faith that he'd know, but not that he'd tell the truth about it.

Does the old saying, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.", at all apply in the etheric & higher realms? Does it at all help with safety by preventing your foes from stabbing you in your back, or does it compromise safety by making it easier for them to stab you in the back? I think one of the root causes of my psychological issues that are preventing spiritual advancement is that I'm trying too hard to keep an eye on my enemies, and to try too hard to figure out what my foes could possibly to do sabotage me, and then I figure out a way that it could sabotage the processes that constitute my imagination and energy movements and emotions and then it gets visualized and visualizing it makes it actually happen. For example when earlier tried to do the chanting in the shower, had the thought, what if I didn't try to put intentions behind the letters, and that way wouldn't have to visualize anything when chanting for the chants to work because the chants come with their own intentions whether or not the chanter supplies intentions? Well, tried doing that, and then the first chant tried that way got subverted to refer to an evil spirit instead of the deity that the chant was supposed to refer to, and now there's this immensely strong false subconscious conflation of the deity with the evil spirit that's backed by an immense amount of fear. Had to stop chanting immediately. I'd even tried typing the name of the deity and that had a very subverting effect that really messed up stuff badly. This ultimately happened because subconsciousness is trying too hard to make pay attention to the evil spirit in question. So, asking once again; does paying attention to evil spirits help to prevent them from stabbing you in the back, or does it make it easier? The answer needs to be framed in such a manner that the subconsciousness believes it or else the answer will be useless. Also, another question on that note; does silence count as consent in the higher realms? That is, do I have to consciously worry if subconsciously-generated thoughts enter my mind about asking bad entities to do bad things to me, or can my consciousness safely ignore those thoughts without those bad entities being granted enough permission to do those things?

>>14201 >Does the old saying, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.", What a great saying. I hate niggers. Guess it's time to sell my home and start living in the ghetto with them. I hate rats too! Maybe it's time to live underground with the rats! Best keep them in my bed! Because I hate them so much! Faggots? Guess I hate faggots too. I should keep some faggots in my mouth just to be sure. That will show them how much I hate them! Get rid of your evil spirits already you retarded fuck nugget. >I think one of the root causes of my psychological issues that are preventing spiritual advancement is that I'm trying too hard to keep an eye on my enemies Get rid of them already. Learn banishing rituals instead of letting hobos live in your house ffs. Btw. In the "Higher realms" evil spirits are not allowed. If you have them around then you are definitely not in the "higher realms". This is like mixing up white castle and the white house... both of them white. Just like the higher realms! There are white hells too. Higher realms are not something you can just access with a dirty and unfocused mind. Hellish and junkyard realms on the other hand can be accessed with a dirty and unfocused mind. Guess which realms you are accessing! >had the thought, what if I didn't try to put intentions behind the letters, and that way wouldn't have to visualize anything when chanting for the chants to work because the chants come with their own intentions whether or not the chanter supplies intentions? Had a thought. What if I allow entities to assrape me? I wonder what would happen? Hmm. /fringe/ what do you think? Had a thought. What if I replace my eye drops with acid? You literally came up with the idea how to sabotage your chants. Can you stop coming up with genius ideas to sabotage your intentions? Or if the ideas come to your impressionable mind then you ignore them at least? This way you will enlist to fight in the middle east when the next military recruitment ad will contain free sonic giveaways. >This ultimately happened because subconsciousness is trying too hard to make pay attention to the evil spirit in question. Damm dude. This is so relatable. This is like when I come to /fringe/ and some weird egg just makes me pay attention to his idiotic problems that he causes for himself and posts about it. He is trying just too hard to stay as retarded and gullible. And no matter how hard I try, I just go and reply to him! What a bedeviled egg. Master of temptation! >So, asking once again; does paying attention to evil spirits help to prevent them from stabbing you in the back, or does it make it easier? The answer needs to be framed in such a manner that the subconsciousness believes it or else the answer will be useless. You get the strongest, most ruthless entity around the block and chant his name as long as you can perceive any evil spirit or mental subversion. Then you chant it more to make sure everyone is gone for good. You should go to him and ask for guidance too. You don't stop until everything that stands in your way turns to dust. Then you turn the dust into even more finer dust, just to make sure everything is clean and proper for once. >Also, another question on that note; does silence count as consent in the higher realms? If malicious entities are fucking with your mind then you are not in the higher realms. Get out of that place already. >That is, do I have to consciously worry if subconsciously-generated thoughts enter my mind about asking bad entities to do bad things to me Nah. You have to start worrying real fucking soon that an impatient anonymous user will beat the living fuck out of you if you don't start doing mental warding and cleansing rituals. How do I know? An entity told me! >can my consciousness safely ignore those thoughts without those bad entities being granted enough permission to do those things? You can ignore an armed uprising in Lebanon, but you cannot ignore an armed thug in your house. Throw them out already. Old fringe would have bullied and trolled you so hard, you wouldn't even have chance to worry about evil spirits. Be glad that this board is the tamest and lamest version of fringe. Don't think it will last forever

>>14205 Thanks, I needed that. I feel something happening in the back of my head after reading that. We'll see if it's my subconsciousness dropping the bullshit or not but there's alotta that to drop so it'll take a while to sort through it.

>>14210 Maybe you could try daily lbrp. That is a cleansing ritual. Not sure how to do mental warding

>>14221 I'd recommend him a more "grounded" one tbh. Some people burn sage i burn red peppers. I let the smoke get all over the room. No need to overthink it you just burn some maybe sneeze a good minute and leave the room. Also cleans my lungs good i breath better the next days and spit a lot of phlegm. Cleaning your room and keeping things clean is also a good cleansing technique! but hey one step at a time. I also used to burn rosemary but i don't have any currently, sage somewhat stink to me when burnt.

>>14225 Eggs on please try this out and make it a daily habit. Otherwise you’re gonna keep getting shit on by users of /fringe/ . I care about you. Also something you might want to try is growing a rosemary bush out of a clipping. You can literally buy fresh rosemary from the grocery store for a couple dollars (the ones used for cooking not intended for growing), and take a cutting, and put it in water, and it will grow roots. Then you can plant it. It can be your mental ward maybe too once you learn how to do that. It will one day grow into a big bush so that you will have an endless supply of rosemary for burning for purification. https://www.youtube.com/embed/B_Bm2msK8s0

>>14244 Egganon*

>>14205 >What a great saying. I hate niggers. Guess it's time to sell my home and start living in the ghetto with them You don't understand the difference between disliking someone, and having an actual enemy.

Have you ever done something overt, like move objects, or stop time? How was it? And how did you do it?

>>14248 You just made a new enemy you fucker! Because you refused to understand my core message and I hate people like you. Should I get closer to you now? Wanna feel my breath on your neck? Want me to live in your house? I don't dislike you. I am waging a lifelong war against people who purposely misunderstand me. Knew the moment I wrote down that sentence, that some semantics obsessed grammar nazi will nitpick it. And you my lifelong enemy showed your face by making this post >>14225 >>14244 See these guys? They tried to help. They are my friends and they are the friends of fringe. You on the other hand is my personal enemy. You could have avoided this. You could have helped many anons in need. But as my enemy you couldn't do that. The only thing you could do was nitpicking that sentence which was aimed at a different anon completely. Bet you will misunderstand this post too! Just like my enemies do all the time! >>14250 >how did you do it? With magic >How was it? Spooky, because I realized I cannot control it properly.

>>14251 That’s not what a grammar Nazi is. >spooky Interesting. Care to share the story?

>>14296 Yeah a grammar nazi is a fairly different term; what grammar nazis do isn't deliberately misinterpret your words; rather, they get on your ass for making spelling mistakes and grammatical errors. A guy that deliberately misinterprets your words is deserving of a different term; the proper name doesn't come to mind but it's probably related to the term, 'legal weasel'. Not defending the guy btw.

>>14296 >>14304 Annoyomancer

>>14304 Dude, that was an awful use of semicolons.

There was a time when I was thinking letting my posts be formatted by language models. Then I realized letting my posts be faulty proves that I am a human and not a shitty bot. Now I am thinking about how should I even talk with people who are not even used to schizo posts? How should I explain their little mind how magic works when magic requires intuitive leaps all the time? For an example. If I say. >>14307 Dude! I will turn your colon into a semicolon if you keep this up! Will they get what I mean? Or they will get confused and try to explain to me how colons are different from semicolons? Or they will notice that it was a clever wordplay, but don't get that I will whop their ass if they keep this up? >>14306 As long as they keep this up I won't talk to them. They are free to nitpick every post on this board and in the archive if this is their fetish. Writing a post which explains my practice with terms mundanes can understand is taxing enough. Making sure it is unable to be attacked or nitpicked in any way is 5 times as much effort. I am not writing my Phd nor my law thesis here. I won't entertain their obtuse attitude. When people read something they can decide how they read it. Do they want to understand it or they want to criticize it. Making a work of art for fun and for people with similar mindset is enjoyable. Making art for "critics" without being paid upfront for doing so is something that radicalizes people. Then there is the case where I can't decide if I should use more paragraphs to make it readable or I should keep it as a large block of text before I get accused for reddit spacing.

>>14309 >letting my posts be formatted by language models. Please don't do that. It would be awful. Something about AI formatting makes my eyes want to glaze over, which is the opposite effect of your style. >accused for reddit spacing Sometimes I think of that too but then I remember how the concept of "reddit spacing" didn't exist until after /pol/ and 8ch had already gone to complete shit.

Did he mean something by this? Like he had a Tolkien-like experience. Or am I reading too much into it?

Is there a realm between the astral & mental realms that serves as the foundation for the astral realm, like how the etheric realm serves as a foundation for the physical?

>>14332 >Did he mean something by this? Like he had a Tolkien-like experience. Probably >>14338 The archetypal realm somewhat exists between the mental and the astral.

>>14332 >a Tolkien-like experience What happened to Tolkien? I only know of Robert E. Howard's Conan tulpa This relates to something I've been wondering about for a while: It is sometimes said that Tolkien was the first to create an original fantasy setting unconnected to our world which may be false but that's not the point Other stories like Conan's were based in history e.g. his tribe the Cimmerians were a real thing >implying (((history))) itself isn't just another myth "Fantasy" stories before the 20th century had always attempted to tie their fabricated settings/civilizations, however outlandish, in with something generally accepted as real. But then early in the last century something profound happened to the collective consciousness of this world. 100 years later and every generation alive has been inundated with fiction & fantasy since birth. The "real" world doesn't seem to matter to younger generations much at all any more, which is understandable considering how everything in the news now reads like fanfiction done by a retard. Whoever generates this reality clearly has no regard for 'continuity' or 'suspension of disbelief' any more. What actually happened metaphysically for things to turn out this way? It's like this world has been converted from an actual location to a sort of 'hub' for countless others.

>>14341 I believe wizard man's referring to the theory that Tolkien got his knowledge of Middle-Earth and the Elves from Finnish and Sapmi shamans.

>>14341 >>14342 I found Lord of the Rings cringy and never managed to read it because of this, I did read Silmarillion though. I remember someone writing that Tolkien was studying languages, and was trying to, as an experiment create the most pleasant sounding language. That ended up being elvish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quenya >Tolkien developed a complex internal history of characters to speak his Elvish languages in their own fictional universe. He felt that his languages changed and developed over time, as did the historical languages which he studied professionally—not in a vacuum, but as a result of the migrations and interactions of the peoples who spoke them. The argument seems to be right there in the article. He wanted to create new versions of the language, and then created a fictional history which would explain the changes. That would only be possible by a sudden mass migration, causing the separation of a people over a great distance. That's how the basic structure of the backstory to his universe was formed. He then wanted to create the most unpleasant language, which motivated the orcs also existing as someone had to speak it. With this knowledge, the stories become more interesting, but as just fantasy, I don't like the popular versions at all. He lay the groundwork, but the opening of Lord of the Rings with him talking about some book and distant lands as if they were real, instead of just saying he created a story about language; had this book not been known I would have put it down at once the moment I saw that. But it's like with Bruce Lee. He made some horrible movies, but he was the first to create martial arts movies like that, so Hong Kong movies became a thing, and the remakes of his movies done by Jet Li are pretty good, like Fist of Fury -> Fist of Legend, the original is unwatchable, the remake has some nice duels illustrating the war history of China and Japan in a way that lets historical figures duel and make up instead of making it into just war propaganda, the way it should have been. I think in reply to anon's question that maybe the collective subconscious moved into the idea of illustrating things in abstract ways, as that's what Tolkien did. Migration causing changes to language may also be some interpretation of the bible as well.

What do y'all think about the green eyed jesus. Many people, including recently a black woman, have seen him.

>>14348 The woman who made that painting seems like a reptilian.

>>14349 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ik_U1jWcL8 What about this woman, she saw the same person.Whats strange is that in tiktok comments many people claim they saw the same guy as well.

>>14350 >this woman May be related to what Brazil anon just told me he saw, a black cloth covering an orange orb like a ghost in a dirty sheet, which was then cleaned and the sheet was then white. That woman has a strong orange energy which may look like an orb or orbs in her eyes. Can't tell what the rest is, maybe some kind of unusual reptilian form, but there's also an image of a martian soul with the characteristic thing on the head. >pic So there's this black scaly texture on the sides like a wrestler with muscles of a reptilian, strong orange energy like an Indian Brahmin and then the martian head thing. That ended up looking like the Reddit guy

>>14351 What do you see about the guy in the painting himself?There is also this boy who saw the same guy as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m--M5itPoqA

>>14352 Looking in past lives i once saw a "yahweh" who looked a little bit similar, in that they had sharp facial features. Albeit the yahweh i saw had yellow eyes and white hair. The bible does apparently describe jesus that way.

>>14352 >the guy in the painting himself? Looks like a reptilian with green scales and snake tongue. But that doesn't mean much when it was painted by a reptilian, it's her energy in it.

>>14354 Its strange so many people have seen him, if the colton kid is also reptillian then maybe this one is specifically contacting reptillians... The strange part being the green eyes, its not something people would just imagine when thnking of a stereotypical middle eastern man, even the white jesus if anything would have blue eyes.

>>14352 That boy and his family are also not normal. Strong "persistent white" energy and a very distinct masonic thing on his head >pic almost literally that thing, except the eye and pyramid isn't there. >>14353 Jesus as a symbolic figure could be anything, after what I saw with the 12 mantids being the original Jesuits (possibly what inspired the idea of his 12 disciples, or they just imitated the myth) I have a hard time not seeing christianity as a mantis religion. >>14355 The kid may or may not be reptilian, if so it's some alien kind, I can't fully read him. It takes a while to get used to the frequency of new races. Reptile Jesus could just be a reptilian mind projection created to manipulate people, or there is some saviour of theirs like that, who knows.

>>14353 Effectively this yahweh knew me personally, and wanted me to be crucified like jesus. This was when people in the astral referred to me as "lucifer" specifically on the fallen angels. Jesus and lucifer were said to be the same person by crowley as well.I had then always assumed jesus was primarily a fallen angel reincarnated as a human.Its even said in the bible where he was accused of it and he rebuked it by saying a house divided cant stand. But later findings made me think maybe he actually was and that was a sidestep.And that fallen angel was perhaps the angel you saw as my main soul for like a week.(but who was basically one of my main souls until recently starting at age 4) Would explain a lot about myself, especially why i had people sometimes coming up to me and knowing about me in real life, and also sometimes online. and in the astral as well.I think in particular there is a duality to this soul. As a kid i saw myself as "blue" and "red" strictly delianated. The "blue" might have been my 3 grey souls. The "red" could have been my other souls who were from hell.I had always seen myself as "incubus" like, but more intellectual/researchy as well. That might have been the grey side adjusting my at the time dominant hell side. For example, people feeling like Joy of satan, who i never associated with,cried about me in a dream telling me vampires are the bad guys. They treated me as if i was a leader figure. Years later In a dream involving you i was contacted by leaders,but they were wary of me. Seeing me as an evil demon almost.

>>14357 There is also that witches knew of me and saw me as a "male" figure.

>>14358 And there were human witches attacking me specifically, in their mind i was "male" and thus bad. But it didn't seem they knew of me existing as a human either. Yet their spell did hit me regardless. Meaning i was some figure in the past they had been taught about and they saw as a figure to attack. The most fitting figure they could think they were attacking would have to be "pan". A male god of witches. Who i could see being treated the way i have been in the past. Both known and seen as rather creepy by dark forces. Seen as disgusting by greys, and sometimes attacked by witches since they strangely see it as a modern figure of the "patriarchy". Plus sometimes conflated with the devil. In some dreams people referred to me by that title also.Would also explain why i was sexual in much more than just the common understanding,which is merely a bodily instinct. Even after turning asexual my spells always manifested in lewd manners.And i was never able to cope with asexuality either,as if it was a part of me. The modern/spiritual understanding of lust made little sense to me as well. Since its not really external to me, so defining it as an "addiction" or even degeneracy was always weird to me.

>>14348 There are many egregores of the Christ out there; that's just one of them.

When synchronistic magic is used, are the effects of the synchronicities determined by the caster's subconsciousness, or are there specific higher beings that determine the effects of synchronicities? Or are the effects determined by the monad/all/brahman/7D being itself?

>>14400 Trick question, the entire external universe is part of the caster's subconscious.

>>14400 Depends on the caster's level and what principles he uses while casting.

Do 5g towers send mind control waves into your brain to control you?

>>14433 Aquino admitted something along those lines in Mindwar iirc

anons, is apotheosis by michael w. ford a good starting point for anyone looking into left hand path magick? i've come across a pdf online and wanted to know if it's worth the read

>>14473 Managed to find it. It has some good tips, but it just wants to convert you to satanism in the end. I wouldn't recommend it not even Satan would recommend it It mixes truth with lies as usual. It has some value if you can read between the lines or if you are not averse to Satanism and Koetting style writing. Sadly I cannot give a single good starting point for left hand path, because left hand path is about self discovery and attainment. It is something you have to find on your own and not something a book needs to explain to you. And what does "Satanist LHP" do instead of granting you the way to be truly independent... they just explain how individualistic they are then they just tell you "btw invoke this mind altering demon into yourself to prove what an independent free thinker you are" And if you cannot handle it they just laugh at you for being too weak for their "path". If you think yourself strong enough to handle Satan himself then go for it. If you think satanism is for 12 year olds then don't bother. Because this is written for the average 12 year old who is angry at their catholic parents. The rituals are legit, but twisted into their worldview.. It's a headache to read this book, but it gives you a good perspective how the average satanist thinks and writes.

>>14516 >wrote this post half drunk before going to sleep >managed to meet an entity after it who was siting next to a fire >he was burning old brown boxes and cans >every box and can that was being burned was a previously failed satanist cult and their associates >barely any of them managed to create anything lasting >first I thought the entity is Satan himself, but it turned out it was some extremely annoyed soul who managed to attain the appearance of Satan after his death >later in my dreams he was ranting to me how retarded every satanist was and how it went downhill ever since everyone started to write their shitty books and their dogshit opinions >he was talking about the satanist bible and how every cult is being wiped out and the appearance of new satanism is highly unlikely as things go on I am unsure what he was exactly, but he was mad for sure. My energy work makes me immune to hangovers, but remembering this experience made my hangover flare up.

>fringe has become a place where anons don't know how to tell their own subconscious shit from external entities This saddens me.

>>14521 >has become we have anons like that since forever

>>14521 Am kinda drunk again... but it seems you beg for replies with your snide remark in the question thread you little N'wah. The whole thing started with the weird spiderweb feeling on my whole body yesterday. It was effective because I was drunk, I rarely feel it otherwise even when I work with entities. Then I felt some weird thing within me, so I started to talk with it. The demon agreed with me a lot. Which was the sign that it wasn't exactly my subconsciousness, but some little shit that wanted to find a place for himself. Demons have a type which fellates your ego so you let them stay around. I keep them around if they are entertaining or have some useful information. It was quite incoherent, so I wanted to throw it out. But I was drunk and didn't care enough, so I let it say it's shit in the end. It managed to cause weird dreams after it which resulted in my green text that saddened your autism. I left out a lot of details because the dreams were quite strange. I knew I was at a lower hell that mimics reality. The events that played out in the dream in a grotesque way managed to repeat during daytime the next day. >>14523 Newfags don't even remember when Smiley was explaining how CIA agents were mindcontrolling him to masturbate. And they are the ones being saddened? What a joke.

Someone in here got me into Charmed. Watching these 90s shows I've noticed the American society looked a lot like the Asian societies look like nowadays (had common sense, a healthy middle upper class, and mentally ill bullshit still had no power there). But you can also tell that certain powers were already squirming their way into their society. Subverting, infecting. And now I can see how those same tactics are being worked on Asia. Especially on Japan, since China is already a bit ahead of the curve. Is this just a societal thing, or are we witnessing a demonic takeover of the whole fucking human civilization over two centuries?

>>14561 I wonder the same,especially the whole japan having to take in hundreds of thousands of Africans all of a sudden. Doesn't seem smart or natural for them to do.

>>14561 >Charmed It was an afternoon show on the TV in my youth. I remember the ep when a demon was trying to convince the witch to jump from the bridge because he pretended to be the witch's inner monologue And about the current societal "trend": I have seen the collapse of the soviet block while growing up. Now I am watching the collapse of the western block. Those who didn't realize that change is coming and were integrated into the previously dominant soviet system died and killed themselves when they realized the soviet system is over and the party won't bail them out anymore. Those who were able to see the arising opportunities in the collapse managed to survive and thrive while the rest stagnated and died off. This applies to the current era too. Learn to see the opportunities and how you can move forward. I am countering these invasive demonic machinations for more than a decade already in my area. The problem is not the demonic overtake. The problem is the inevitable fall and that (((some forces)) want others to die with them in hopes it will soften their fall. Wish I could explain what you can do to avoid it, but it's different for every area and for every person. If you stay vigilant then you may see the glimmer of hope to move forward. Otherwise your best bet is to pray. Change is coming. Those who are clinging to this sinking ship will sink with it. Time to learn to swim before it's too late. The demons were always here. Once people are willing to face and combat them their power dissipates fast. Asian countries were on the payroll of the western elite for too long. It's time for them to realize they have to think for themselves and not to be kowtowing NPCs for their uncaring masters. And "Middle upper class" was a consumer class with the most purchasing power that everyone catered to or striven to become in the past. Asia had a very small amount of middle class before technology uplifted them to western standards. This upper middle class is being taken apart because the culture that held it together mellowed out (or lost it's "soul" as it was commercialized and sold out as a flavor). The elites realized that with modern technology other societal classes are more easy to control. The only reason the middle class existed because they were the "role models" of their society. Nowadays we don't have these role models. The media only portrays the super rich and the super poor. The middle class is not worth to portray or to be talked about anymore. The middle class is the most exploited class in this era. It is being siphoned faster than it can grow. That is why it is in free fall. Especially those middle class people who were "born into it" and didn't need to strenuously work for their future for a single moment in their life. It's time for them to learn some actual skills for once. You guys still have it too good tho. We had only 2 classes back then. The working class and the nepotism class. There was a reason why everything collapsed. We just looked in awe how the average middle class person of the west had it better than the most cunning nepotists here. I still don't get the reason why you are all willing to throw it away. But this is something for you to work out. Have fun figuring out why you are still here on this plane of existence and how you want to thrive in it.

>>14561 >>14564 >>14565 >Charmed It was on tv in the afternoons, I never watched it because it was a show for girls. Now supposed wizards(male) are talking about the whiteness of the cast and how things have degenerated since, completely missing the real degeneration; that they are men watching a show for girls. If you had done this in the 90s you would have been gay. And that would have been seen as degenerate, to the point that if you told someone about this, they may start rumours about how this guy is a creep and your social reputation may be at risk.

>>14589 The vampire shows you watched were for girls too.

I recently met someone I went to high school with, and I noticed their gaze is completely vacant. I'm talking that porn actress look. I'm sure you have come across it. It's more prevalent with women for some reason. But I don't understand what it implies exactly. Are these people just so fragmented and their souls just fucked off? >>14589 Bro I played with Barbies in the 90s

>>14590 Vampire the Masquerade and Buffy the vampire slayer weren't for girls, even if Buffy had a feminist angle. They were just shows for anyone. Even if the spin-off Angel had a female audience, it was way too violent to be aimed at girls exclusively, and most of the male characters weren't sexualized.

>>14591 >I played with Barbies in the 90s Not saying trans people didn't exist in the 90s, they were just more known as drag queens or "transvestites" which didn't imply being gay but was just a gender bender fetish. Ranma was just comedy when made. Actually being gay was a lot more of an issue than just cross-dressing, which was an accepted peculiarity that didn't mean anything.

>>14592 You cant tell me vampire diaries wasn't for girls though.

>>14593 Trans? I played with Barbies because they were hot, and did not complain when I removed their clothes. Your brain is full of strange ideas.

>>14594 VD was for anyone. S1 was aired in 2009 and was labeled as horror/drama. The books it was based on were typical romance novels written by a woman, but the tv series were only loosely based on them. The books themselves also had multiple arcs, which developed as the tv series ran. Season 1 had a recurring intro where one of the main characters read the line "My name is Stefan Salvatore [...] this is my story" and it's framed as his journal being retold. Although this framing changes later, it's placing a male character as the main from the beginning. The following Originals tv-series revolves around Claus and his family, which again means it's male centered. The DVD has a warning label for "strong bloody violence, gory images", which also speaks against this being suitable for girls. Overall both the VD and Originals had sexualized characters of both genders, compared to shows which only sexualize females. This may give the impression that it's for girls, but it's just reflecting an increasing equality as the show progressed into the 10s. I think it's more interesting to note how they managed to both use and confirm stereotypes without making anyone upset, such as how the witches are black women practicing voodo and it's all pretty disgusting, the men are literal rapists but aren't shunned for it, women are scheming murderers; it's showing the worst side of everyone and no one takes this to be racism or sexism. They also kill the gays who appear later in the show.

is the simon necronomicon bullshit? i know the whole necronomicon idea is of lovecraftian origin (i.e. fictitious) but i'm curious if any anons here have tried to use it for genuine magickal purposes and if they worked to any effect whatsoever

>>14599 https://www.quora.com/What-kind-of-audience-does-The-Vampire-Diaries-TV-show-target I mean it definitely a show written for teen girls. If you can't tell you can't tell but its very clear to me.There is also a reddit of tvd and its nearly all girls. Girls arent repulsed by blood and gore, they are into that stuff. Especially vampires. Also damon is one of the biggest crushes for girls back in the day.So following him is something girls would like. And ill be honest, every vampire show has felt aggressively meant for women to me.The twilight movies being the most obvious example ofcourse.Its a girl interest largely. I actually found it strange at first an adult man watched tvd and true blood which i hadnt heard of before but then i realized everyone is different and i shouldnt really care.So it was weird to me you said that about charmed.Now i wonder if the charmed fanbase has more men relatively speaking. Its three relatively good looking woman in revealing outfits. I don't remember hearing about tvd or true blood at all back in the day, but i recognize charmed as a series that was something on tv. I would watch it passively when i had nothing to watch.Its not the kind of show i imagine had hardcore fans, but maybe it did.

>>14602 Thinking about vampire media that isnt marketed to women i think about hellsing. Both the movie and the unrelated anime. It has a way different type of feel.Also maybe castlevania now that i think of it.Hellsing the anime is definitely male targeted. Castlevania could be neutral. And these shows are def female targeted.

>>14602 I think there is some misunderstanding or you are thinking about someone else, I never watched or mentioned True Blood. I was recommended it by someone, but watched half of Ep1 and was just repulsed by it, style wise, the entire premise was stupid to me and had nothing to do with my vampire gothic theme interest.

>>14604 Wtf, this has to be a mandela affect. I had a convo with you where I was the one who watched half of ep 1 and was repulsed.And i only knew about the show because you mentioned it to ME. I literally did that,is this you incorporating me into your persona?I rmeeber watching it, being strangely disgusted by it. And later explaining this very fact to you.

>>14605 Then again this doesnt matter, if this is you pretending to me its fine. If its a timeline change then i guess maybe it was a good change.At very least i relate to it myself and agree.

>>14606 I definitely remember the convo where i said the show felt so "american" to me in a bad way.But perhaps you had merely mentioned it.Its true that tvd was where all the occult knowledge came from.

>>14605 I'm just saying what actually took place, and no I haven't mentioned it because the show had a disgusting energy and felt like someone trying to just make money off the vampire-hype after Twilight, and the person who recommended it to me was someone who doesn't understand the pull towards the vampire theme in the first place, so them telling me to watch it was already a warning sign. When I later told them it was crap, they just got defensive and didn't seem to understand the difference even when explained. It's something like what people say about the Call of Duty generation in games, someone playing Silent Hill in that manner and completely missing the point of it being a mystic horror game, not reading the texts for atmosphere, just running around mindlessly and not caring about the story at all, which means they missed the whole point of the game. It was the same feel with True Blood. Same thing as other stupid movies like Blade that just commercializes the theme in the most shallow way.

>>14606 >>14607 Sure but no, I haven't talked about it, for the reasons I said above. I liked Interview with a vampire, VtM and movies like the Fearless vampire killers, Bram Stoker's dracula was ok, but all of these have the issue that they're movies, they don't have time to explore the theme, and VtM is only 8 eps. VD goes on for over 10 years when the spin offs are included. It also ditched the christian theme or the general vague "demon" idea and made it about just magic, in a way that was very different from Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings which created the general idea for how it's to look in movies, where magic was made to look good and fun, which in reality it doesn't. At this point it's irrelevant who the original target audience was, there was also enough time to get feedback as the show ran and adapt over time. And that's a lot different from 3 typical american women doing magic. There was another magic themed tv show I did watch but it was cancelled after 2 seasons and I can't remember what its title was. It was set at a boarding school and had a lesbian ghost as one of the characters, was something about trying to rebirth some dark lord and there were infernal demons involved and some witch. It was more realistic in terms of the magic, but didn't seem very high budget. ... Actually, see pic. I just remembered he was in it, it was called Hex.

>>14610 His first audition was for the role of voldemort. interesting...

>>14601 Started reading it. It is full with mistranslations and misconceptions, but they warn you about that in the preface. The incantations are (somewhat) legit. They barely know what they are talking about while explaining the spells tho. The book was on my backlog since forever. I will armchair a little and read it through. If you have more questions about specific parts of the book I might explain some stuff if you need some feedback. If you know nothing about magic then it is a good book that explains the usual confusion these magical circles have, and if you are an experienced magician then you can make some use of it by seeing through their blatant mistranslations and misconceptions. >>14589 I watched it, because it was on the TV when I was at my grandma. I barely remember a single ep because the show was boring to me. For me it was barely magical. It was a women doing woman things and something magical happens in some cases type of show. It was the least interesting show on the TV and only watched because I was waiting for the show after it or we weren't allowed to go outside for some reason. The reason why I remember that demon whispering to the witch to jump ep, because I was being weirded out how someone can fall for an unseen entity as her own inner voice and do his commands like it's normal. For me it was weird. Even as a child I knew when my inner voice got "off-track", even when I was still unaware of malicious external entities. Nowadays I am far more experienced and know that some people are so weak willed that if a demon tells them to kill themselves they will Brazil Anon pls And this demonlike "shadow talk" is extremely effective on most women. Learning this made me kinda annoyed about the state most humans are in. Because I realized if they are this easy to influence then I am "not the only one" who can do this. That is why I don't trust relationships that I acquire or maintain through manipulation. They last as long as you bother pulling the strings. Personally I don't have much respect towards puppets. You cannot take them seriously because you can switch their worldview with barely 3 sentences. Genuine bonds are different. They can last through lifetimes and they are either fated or shall become fated later on. I treasure them more than anything. >If you had done this in the 90s The show came out in the late 90s and aired in my country in the early 2000s >they may start rumours about how this guy is a creep and your social reputation may be at risk This was the most feminine thing you managed to say so far btw. Caring about being a creep and letting what shows you watch decide your societal reputation? Jesus. Sometimes I forget that I talk with westerners. I don't even know what to say to this. Especially because this was the most important part of the discussion for you to bring up. This is not simply homosexual. This is simply feminine thinking. I can't decide if this is something that is within your own head only or this is something that is present in every westerner's psyche. I forget that absolute normalfags base their personality around what shows they watch and this is the most important thing to them. The way you talk, the way you dress is the main component which decides how people perceive you. I only talk about what shows I watch with people I share my interests with and not as small talk with people where I have to "watch my reputation". I have such diverse amount of topics I rarely need to mention to others what shows I watch. And this applies to my early 2000s life too. Your post was an obvious bait and a way to derail the discussion. But this type of thinking annoys me more than someone calling others gay for talking about some shitty magical show And if we are talking about 90s shows then I must mention, that I certainly remember Sabrina the Teenage Witch better because of that talking cat. Sometimes I am thinking about rewatching it, to get some reaction pics of that cat's wisecracks into my library. Whenever it appears on imageboards I get reminded of it. But I rarely have time to rewatch shows nowadays. I barely have time to watch movies that my friends recommend me. I would tell you to stop wasting time with talking about these shows, but you would say something akin "how this is some ploy to make glowies pay less attention to this board" or something similar. The less I care the faster this discussion goes away. Those who care about their reputation too much ruin it the fastest anyway. Fame is the shittiest attachment to have in this mortal life

What's some quality /fringe/ television?

I want my waifu. The entity known as blood anon didn"t deliver her.

>>14601 The magic in that book is very powerful, and anyone who knows the Great Work can recognize its presence in it. It doesn't matter whether the backstory or everything else is made up. Think of the made up elements as masks for real things. You need to vibe with it, however. I could not bring myself to "believe it" enough to be able to work with it. So if it doesn't click for you, just use something else. The same magic is in a million different books and currents nowadays. >>14602 I'm still in season 2, and I didn't know about the drama surrounding Prue's actress being replaced. I love it when dynamics between characters spill into real life like that.

>>14616 Absolutely savage post.10/10 I tried rewatching Sabrina (or rather watching because I never really watched it other than some random episodes), because I enjoy anything where someone is initiated into a different world. It's the reason I enjoyed movies like Jumpers or Operation Almanac, which are pretty shit otherwise. But TV shows in the 90s were made to get you hooked week after week in endless arcs that go nowhere, and full of filler. I couldn't get past the first season. Charmed only sucked me in because the girls are hot. We'll see...

>>14696 That guy lies alot anyway; go get yourself a different one instead.

>>14695 Maybe you would have better luck finding /fringe/ tier documentaries than /fringe/ tier shows and movies? Also here's this but it ain't much: https://daatdarling.substack.com/p/a-real-occultists-list-of-the-most You have to make a paid subscription to da'at darling's list of most real paranormal movies. It has a 7 day free trial though. Maybe you could make a throwaway email and try the 7 day free trial with like a prepaid card or something idk. Really sucks that it is behind a paywall. Also I know you probably don't consider youtube to be tv but you may like these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89x94sPOWGQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtjseQixkjI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zNTpey21Y0 At risk of sounding like a boomer you could watch these youtube videos on your tv and pretend that it's real tv. I know that that is a big privacy no no though.

>>14728 >I know that that is a big privacy no no though. I use this to download videos from youtube: https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp It's pretty easy to use you get the format with >yt-dlp -F then >yt-dlp -f video+audio youtube.com/... Replacing video and audio with the correct numbers obviously. You need ffmpeg for that too. You can then put on the tv or whatever assuming you're using one the tv can read. This works on many websites including some streaming hosts.

>>14710q He promised me a factory-made waifu, but this waifu got stuck on a roof. I demand a replacement.

>>14728 >make a throwaway email and try the 7 day free trial with like a prepaid card or something Don't forget to download all the articles for later reading

>>14734 I looked at you and you are not that anon, or at least not that soul. In your past you had a soul who made a contract with a waifu, but that soul has left with her. It was either in a parallel timeline or it was your assistant soul, or you are the assistant and that was the main soul. Contracts with spirit waifues are with the soul, and they are not with two souls, unless she's a succubus or demon who collects souls. My servitors said there's a pile of resources (energy and minerals(karma)) which can be claimed since no one clearly owns it in our current nearest time complex so they used some part of that to summon a black octopus soul from the void and give her a cyborg body specifically for you. This one is for your soul and the contract formed, so apparently it matched some part of you. She is right next to you, she was teleported in.

>>14695 >What's some quality /fringe/ television? Remote viewing Smiley >>14737 >Don't forget to download all the articles for later reading And share them on the world wide web so we can make fun of them!

>>14738 Thank you, Factory manager.

I remember someone posting in the past week or two about "bathing in another person's energies" and being able to look into a person that way or read the person's mind or whatever it was: This makes me wonder, though; would doing this to a person violate the person? Is there some sort of inherent energetic exchange, intimate or not, involved if you do this? Knowing the answer to this may help me with my issues; I personally question if doing this with an egregore would violate the egregore, but I have too much confirmation bias to just ask a sentient egregore myself.

>>14766 There's inherit energetic exchange involved in literally every action involving another person, even just thinking about them briefly. It's like how you are touched by the gravitational field of every single object in the universe, even if by just a tiny amount. Maybe it would be good for you to actually try to really hurt someone for real just so you realize how stupid all these fears you have about "accidentally raping" random people are.

>>14767 >how you are touched by the gravitational field of every single object in the universe Ackshually, gravity has been confirmed to propagate like electromagnetic fields, with "waves" that propagate at the speed of light. So there's things you aren't touched by, and changes are delayed, and can be "dodged". But I'm just nit-picking. Your analogy is essentially valid. >>14766 I have no time to post more now, but this is an excellent discussion to have in the baneful magic thread I just created. Like the other anon said, "violating" someone is a dumb concept. In any case it would be an ethical consideration for you to decide on. However, there are mechanisms in the universe, and possibly spirits watching, that might make your fears warranted depending on what you're doing, and how. The universe does not need a morality, because of how it is set up. It's inherently just. But this "justice" has nothing to do with human concepts of morals. In fact, human concepts are terribly distorted. Let's talk more later. >>14771

You can take the energy of an object, alter its feel of position, and someone will come over, bump into it or something, and move it. You can alter the feeling of the circumstances of a person, and they will change to accommodate over time (correcting as needed). You can charge water and food with certain properties, and they will replicate themselves in whoever eats them. What would it take to shape an object out of thin air? Like producing food? I know Michael Talbot has some examples of this in his book, and I believe him. So I believe it's possible. But what would it take? Is it just a matter of mastering the technique, or is there a secret ingredient?

>>14790 I remember one night wondering like this I tried imagining bread really hard and two days later I had eight baguettes in my freezer. They didn't manifest out of thin air, though.

>>14766 >This makes me wonder, though; would doing this to a person violate the person? Is there some sort of inherent energetic exchange, intimate or not, involved if you do this? It is all about "smelling" the other person. If I went into your personal space and smelled your neck with a loud SNIIIIIIIIIIF sound then it would be quite intrusive. It might weird you out if you notice me, but I still wouldn't call it "violation". Most of the time I can smell others without even intending to do so. I have to smell people "closely" if they have a very weak energetic presence. Low confidence shysters are that way usually. When people ask for "reading" they rarely realize that the psychic will need to smell them. And smelling randos is rarely fun. Some people rarely smell better than the average street hobo. Some people (especially powerful wizards and masters) are capable of emitting such a large amount of energy that they "stink up the whole room". In that case "bathing in their energy" is not a violation because they are spreading their "pheromones" everywhere. Ofc they can decide which pheromones of theirs they spread. Do they want to dominate the room or they want to "Lighten it". Experienced practitioners can decide which energies they emit. They can even mask their energies. When some practitioners don't like to be "smelled" you will notice on their energies and see that they will find it questionable if you do it. They will "sense" that someone just entered their presence. Ofc most people barely notice it. Oh and some people (mostly "downers") emit a large amount of negative energy because they sit in their room the whole day and generate nothing but that. So they jump to online places and spread their negative energy because they have too much of it and cannot air out their own room on their own... >I personally question if doing this with an egregore would violate the egregore That is like violating the McDonalds egregore by going into it and buying some fries with a coke. To "violate it", you would need to jump through the counter, rape the cashier and set the place on fire. If you "violate" an egregore the egregore and it's inhabitants usually turn against you. Buying some fries is not violation. Stealing the fries is a violation. Stealing a napkin from the trashcan is not a violation again. Hitting on the cashier might be a violation if you obstruct business. But if it is a slow day and the cashier is bored and into you then you might do it without violating anything. You might even start working at McDonalds too. Then as the "employee" of that egregore the rules change again. Depends on the egregore. Also most egregores stink too much that they violate you with it's stink more than you violate it by smelling it. >but I have too much confirmation bias to just ask a sentient egregore myself. Most egregores are rarely "sentient". They are usually just an amalgamation of energies. Would you call a large pile of bullshit sentient just because worms and flies inhabit it? That is how most egregores are. A large amount psychic residue and other materia that low energy entities inhabit. For an egregore to be "sentient" it needs to have a "ruling entity" a godlike being. When it has a God then it is a whole different issues. Then it is a "dominion" and it has specific rules and function. >>14767 >Maybe it would be good for you to actually try to really hurt someone for real just so you realize how stupid all these fears you have about "accidentally raping" random people are. I too wonder how to solve this >I thought about thing, now I am a rapist?!?! What do fringe? mentality of his. The USA's cognitive dissonance about sexuality is playing out in his head every day. >>14790 >What would it take to shape an object out of thin air? Like producing food? I know Michael Talbot has some examples of this in his book, and I believe him. So I believe it's possible. But what would it take? Is it just a matter of mastering the technique, or is there a secret ingredient? You either teleport/move it from one location to the next... or you make the world "give birth" to that object. Birth is all about rearranging nutrients and cells according to genetic commands. You have to do the same with the world and inject the commands and necessary ingredients into it. Hope this helps. The actual method of the whole procedure depends on the magician and his magic. Same with birth. Different species propagate differently. The method of the magic depends what forces the magician employs