>>12958
>even pro-Russian commenters have called him out as credulous.
Then he might be a source of entertainment rather than information, now I've gotta look into him.
>Wew lad
I do remember when I first starting using 4chan actual racism was pretty rare. Trying to get people to join the KKK and stuff was done to piss off moralfags and to laugh at anyone who actually fell for it and joined the klan.
>Racism wasn't I was talking about
A lot of the posts were genuinely racist though in all the cringiest ways. Like I can tell you're clearly not the type to engage in that sort of thing, but I think that the bulk of the (we still need to come up with a better name for them) NAFO crowd, race stuff was genuinely how they viewed the world, and they had no interest in the war except as a way to reinforce their beliefs that Russians were subhuman asiatics who were naturally inferior to whites.
>unparalleled amount of HD combat footage out there from this war and almost all of it is at the expense of Russians
I have no way to evaluate if that's accurate since I will admit I largely tuned out the war to avoid the temptation to say something that would get me banned. I also don't have access to the Russian telegrams and the like where they would share that sort of thing. I will say that the vast majority of what I saw posted from the NAFOs was either phonk montages or drone dropping a grenade on someone who isn't paying attention or who is hors de combat, neither of which is interesting combat footage no matter how high the resolution.
>including and especially virtually all of the drone footage and first-person combat footage.
I'm sure this is just selection bias of the stuff I saw, but pretty much all the stuff at the Ukrainians expense was good, while nearly all of the stuff at the Russians expense was absolute garbage. Like the knife fight or this cool ass drone ambush, or that funny tank goof.
>I suspect a combination of all of the above
Yeah, probably.
>given how wildly they're removed from basically every other estimate and Russia's long history of cooking the books for casualties.
They seem to be within an order of magnitude of the other estimates, and I'm not saying they're correct, just not as ludicrous as the Ukrainians claim that they only had like 50k unrecoverable casualties back in January. I haven't been keeping up with the war enough to have any way of getting even to the right ballpark for how many casualties each side has taken, so getting within an order of magnitude or so is reliable compared to that.
>I wouldn't be surprised if it was somewhere between 4:1 and 6:1 for KIAs though
I would for a couple reasons, but we really should be discussing this stuff in the proper thread, see you there on Monday and let's try and find good sources of information on this and maybe come to a consensus.
>including and especially from Russian soldiers and media from behind their lines - Russian CASEVAC and field medicine is abominable.
I know I just said we should take this to the appropriate thread, I don't want to forget about this and not bring it up then. While Russian CASEVAC and field medicine is bad, Ukrainian CASEVAC and field medicine isn't so hot either. I was listening to an interview with a German combat engineer who had volunteered in Ukraine and he mentioned that it could take hours or even days for casualties to be evacuated, and they were needing to use things like blood heaters in the field.
>Look into Oryx
I have, I loved their North Korea book. I also have seen their equipment losses page, and it's mostly good, although when I was going through some of the pictures I noticed that some of the time, especially the later ones as the war dragged on, the pictures weren't very good at all and it was really impossible to even tell what kind of equipment was hit, much less whether it was destroyed or merely damaged.
>I suggest that we drop this issue for lack of evidence.
agreed
>/k/ was extremely aware of /chug/.
You are operating under the assumption that it was /k/ommandos making those posts rather than tourists. We can't tell either way and I continue to believe it wasn't /k/ommandos primarily complaining about /chug/.
> I might not be able to respond over the weekend for various reasons but I'll check when I can.
see ya monday, I'm sure this thread will still be up.
>>12964
Well that's certainly fascinating.
>>12990
>most of us agree with Ukraine because they’re defending themselves.
Most /k/ommandos realised it was more nuanced than that. Black and white thinking wasn't exactly rare on /k/ even before the war, but we were mostly aware that the conflict wasn't quite so simple. Most /k/ommandos also tended to support secessionist movements on principle.
>But no anon it’s clearly a shill when someone has an opinion different than you
There were definitely shills, and notice how now that we aren't on 4chan anymore, suddenly /k/ isn't pro-Ukraine now only a few people are even trying to say there was any organic component to the pro-Ukraine hysteria at all, and I think you're the first person who seems to be arguing it was entirely organic.
>>12994
So two instances in 3 years? How does in any way justify the constant flood of cancerous shit that was spammed in support of Ukraine? I think a lot of the posts during the counter offensive were /k/ommandos who were just sick of the "Ukraine is perfect and Russia is incompetent" narrative, and the tank gif was probably the funniest part of the whole war.
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>>13003
You know we have an IP count here? It hasn't gone up since last night. You're the only person on this board who makes one word shitpost replies like this.
>>13004
>You ever wonder why they aren't here now? Because their job was done.
I think it's also because re directing shilling operations probably takes time and the people in charge will need to have a bunch of meetings. They also probably don't know where to direct their efforts since there are /k/s on other altchans. We should hope they go to the sharty instead of here.
>Maybe you just came in the last 3 years and thought it was normal behavior around /k/.
He might have been a /pol/ migrant from around 2016 or something who believed the whole thing about /k/ being a /pol/ exclave and pontificating on racial hierarchies and nonsense like that was normal on /k/.
>>13005
> if you dared say anything not glowingly positive about Ukraine.
or if it wasn't frothingly racist towards Russians.
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>I find myself more sympathize towards Russia purely because pro-ukraine faggots won't shut the fuck up.
The one thing that I will miss about the shills is if Ukraine completely collapses and Russia rolls into Kiev and takes the whole country over I won't be able to watch the shill damage control spiral. Waiting years for that wouldn't have been worth it though.
>We don't want this culture to take root here because you are all massive faggots who can't into basic conversation
>>13006
>it’s clear you want one opinion on the board to be yours
The other NAFO guy is fine, I've been having a civil conversation with him. Heck, read the first reply of this post. What we don't want is low effort shitposting like what you're doing. You might notice that a huge proportion of this thread is composed of long form posts, longer than you could even post on 4chan, rather than the sorts of one word mobilefag Youtube comment tier shit you post. Lurk moar and only post when you have something intelligent to contribute.
>There is also plenty of anons who don’t agree with you
You've already engaged in obvious samefagging, so stop embarrassing yourself. You've got one anon who agrees with you out of 85 unique IDs active on this whole board, so maybe try to emulate him by being well informed and making reasonable and intelligent points in support of whatever arguments you try to make. I think he's probably embarrassed by you.
>>13008
yeah, probably. I think a lot of the pro-Russia ones were just bait from trolls though.
>>13010
>I guess you weren’t around for the sandy hook or the first election.
What the fuck does the Obama vs Romney election have to do with anything? I don't think there were any dedicated /k/ mods back then, although I was mostly a /b/tard at the time.
>>13014
>what do you guys think I should title the /k/aturday thread? Easter edition
I like Easter personally, given the connections with resurrection and rebirth. We were dead for 3 years instead of 3 days, but Long Cat is long and Catnorak is not yet upon us.
>>13019
>Neither of those were anywhere close to the same as the complete hostile takeover that came with the war and you know it.
I suspect that he actually doesn't know it. He probably wasn't on /k/ for them and only heard about it from the same crowd that said that /k/ always hated Russians and shit. If he was on /k/ for them he might not have noticed how bad the Ukraine stuff got because he lacks the self awareness to realize he was the problem.